1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,120 Welcome back pet parent. Today today, April first, marks 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,400 the first day of National Raw Feeding Week and I wanted to do 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,520 something special for you guys for this occasion because I am 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,120 an avid raw feeder. I am a big advocate of raw 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,120 feeding. Fresh feeding is where my 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,480 content lies, but I love raw feeding within fresh feeding. 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:30,680 And so I know I've had Kimberly on the show a couple of times in 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,960 the past and we've talked about raw feeding. 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,600 But I thought it would be fun to invite her back on and talk all 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,480 about myths surrounding raw feeding because there are so 11 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:41,880 many. And I know we won't get to all 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,320 of them today, but hopefully we'll get to some of the big 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,800 ones, maybe the ones that aggravate Kimberly the most. 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,200 So let's jump into it. Kimberly Gautier is the founder. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,840 She's the Blogger. She's the incredible woman 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,040 behind Keep the Tail Wagging. She has 2 podcast Believe in 17 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,240 dog. Wait no that's not it. 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,879 But you don't have one now. Aaron has two podcasts. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,160 Wait, but you did the one with the golden doodle lady? 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,800 Yeah, Kathy, Kathy. Both of her dogs passed away all 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,080 within like 10 months. It was heart wrenching. 22 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:17,400 I mean, it was heartbreaking for her. 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,160 I was surprised at how hard it hit me because, you know, you 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,240 get to know these dogs and you know the and, and you know, the 25 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,400 pain that they're going through and it was horrifying. 26 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,320 It was horrifying. So sorry to hear that. 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Yeah. I don't know how I didn't know 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840 that, but I don't see your stuff very often on Instagram. 29 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:42,840 You. Know I I see I have like this 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,080 week. I'm seeing your stuff. 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,560 Really. Yeah. 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,080 I think I saw one or two of yours yesterday too. 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,360 I don't know what's going on in the social media world, but I 34 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,240 will go through phases and I and I will have to go and find 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,600 someone to say did I like unfollow them or something 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,720 because why am I not seeing their stuff anymore? 37 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,200 And I'm Nope, you're right there. 38 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,040 I see you more on TikTok than I see. 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,639 Well, I have just come, I think, to the realization that I think 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,640 my Instagram is shadow band. Just in this past week. 41 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:17,080 I've been doing some research and I'm like, why? 42 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,360 Why am I not getting the same engagement I was getting a 43 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,800 couple of months ago? Why are people not seeing the 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,040 post as much as they? And my follower count hasn't 45 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:27,960 changed. So like, what is going on? 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,920 And I think I might be shadow. So I got to look into that. 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,440 You and I should talk offline about Instagram because I had a 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,080 consultation with someone from Instagram and I'm trying to 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 share everything that he told me that would. 50 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Be wonderful because I actually just signed up for a 51 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,960 consultation with them. So I'm like. 52 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,880 It was Yeah, right. Start writing down questions. 53 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,880 OK. Because that talking to him, I 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,000 was able to like, you know, the myths that people, as we're 55 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,600 talking about, the myths that people have about Instagram. 56 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,160 And if you do this, this will, you can't do this. 57 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,120 And he cleared everything up for me and it just opened 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,360 everything. And after that conversation, 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,680 this was several months ago, my Instagram has been so much 60 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,600 better. I'm glad to hear that, first of 61 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:17,840 all, because like, I know some people get really competitive, 62 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,960 but like, there's so much room in this space. 63 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,480 Much like you wouldn't believe. I guess that's probably our 64 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,800 first myth is that we're all fighting over a handful of dog 65 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,760 and cat owners. Of the. 66 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,920 Feeding when and it's just like it saddens me because I don't 67 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,600 see it as much as I used to. And I think the reason why is 68 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,600 because I really started taking a huge step back from the rock 69 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,040 beating community only because I wanted to focus more on my dogs. 70 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,240 And I found that when I was constantly like in all these 71 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,400 groups and following all these people, it just became 72 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,040 overwhelming for me. And I was kind of all over the 73 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,040 place. And I remember years ago I used 74 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,640 to do an annual. These are the supplements I give 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,400 to my dogs and this post was insane. 76 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,440 Just absolutely insane. And I look back and it makes me 77 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,120 laugh because even though I do have a lot of different 78 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,400 supplements in their pantry because yes, I and I my dogs 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,160 don't have a pantry in the house. 80 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,079 I took the third Bay of our garage and that's my dog space 81 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,560 for all of their stuff. And so I have set up shelves and 82 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,840 have everything organized, but I still only give my dogs a 83 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,680 handful of supplements because it's mostly based on what they 84 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,960 need rather than based on all of these people telling me, oh, 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,280 this is great and this is great and this is great. 86 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,960 And it's like, I'm, you know, we're all so desperately trying 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,440 to, to create the next forever dog that we end up throwing 88 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,720 everything at our dogs. And that's not necessary. 89 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 And so I knew that I needed to take a step back because I was 90 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,560 finding myself being way too influenced by everything that I 91 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,440 was seeing. And it's expensive to try and 92 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,240 buy all of these supplements. So I mean, I see a lot of people 93 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,920 out there who want to start creating content and sharing 94 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,280 about raw feeding. And I so highly encourage this 95 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,560 because although there are studies, you know, like what is 96 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,320 that? That is it dog risk that out of 97 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,800 Finland? The one that Yeah. 98 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,600 Yes, studies. And, you know, and Rodney and 99 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,520 Karen are bringing studies. You know, Doctor Connor Brady 100 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,200 has an entire book that he references tons of studies. 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:31,080 So there are studies, but not many that are directly about the 102 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:35,240 benefits of raw feeding and our pets, you know, only a handful. 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:40,480 And I feel like at this time, we're still living in the land 104 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,680 of anecdotal evidence. And so we still need more people 105 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,880 talking about raw feeding. We, I mean, even though it's 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,800 becoming more normalized, we still need new voices because I 107 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,560 truly believe that every pet is different. 108 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,720 Every pet is unique. And it's astounding how you can 109 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,040 be talking to one person about raw feeding and just nothing is 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,120 connecting, nothing is clicking, But then you come across someone 111 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,320 else and everything they say, even if it's they're pretty much 112 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,840 saying the same message, but the way they're saying it, the way 113 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:14,240 they're delivering, it just clicks hard with you. 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,720 And so that's why I feel like we need so many more voices out 115 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,600 there talking about raw feeding, talking about their experience. 116 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,560 You don't have to be an expert in anything. 117 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,640 I mean, I have two certifications now and I'm 118 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,720 considering getting a third, but I'm not sure. 119 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 But I I do all of this simply for my dogs. 120 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,440 I don't plan on offering any consultations. 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,680 I just love learning and I find it fascinating. 122 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,040 So I would love to see other people doing the same things, 123 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,680 just sharing their content, sharing the meals and why they 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,520 they give their dogs this thing. And if the answer is, I don't 125 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,720 know, it just seemed good for the day, that's fine. 126 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,680 I mean, but the more of us who are talking about this in a 127 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,440 public way, you know, so not inside of a closed rock feeding 128 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:04,560 group, but out publicly, I feel the more people get used to the 129 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,520 idea of whether it be Roth feeding or fresh food, but get 130 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,280 used to the idea of this happening. 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,760 Asking more questions. Although you know, I mentioned 132 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,880 TikTok, I don't use TikTok for my blog. 133 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,640 I, I do post stuff, but I mostly use TikTok or just fun. 134 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:26,000 But when I do post a video, it does get some engagement, not a 135 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,040 ton, but it does get some engagement because people are 136 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,720 like, either you're going to have people who do the same 137 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,320 thing and they're like, oh, great, another person, or you're 138 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,160 going to have someone going, Oh my God, I didn't know I could do 139 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,440 that. And then they're interested. 140 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,800 And so it's like, you just never know. 141 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,080 You never know when you're going to connect with someone. 142 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,720 So going back, there is plenty of room for all of us. 143 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,600 We're not competing. If you know, I I've said this, 144 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,600 I've seen so many other people say collaboration over 145 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,480 competition. The 2 crazy cat ladies always 146 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,880 say learn, share and grow. I just really think that the 147 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,280 idea that, you know, there are too many people already talking 148 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,600 about this, there's never going to be enough people talking 149 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,720 about this. If there were too many people, 150 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,440 then it wouldn't be a big deal if we got, we wouldn't be 151 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,920 getting comments of Oh my God, I would never feed my dog that raw 152 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,960 meat is dangerous. You know, we're still getting 153 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,040 those type of comments. And until that stops, we got to 154 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,760 keep going until we start seeing dogs living, I won't say 30, but 155 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,640 let's just say into their late teens. 156 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,320 And I don't mean little dogs, I mean all dogs living until their 157 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,640 late teens, early 20s. Until that becomes commonplace. 158 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,039 We got to still start creating that content. 159 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:44,760 And it has to be more of us because what I put out there may 160 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,600 not resonate with people, but what you put out there may 161 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,360 resonate 100% with someone. So it's like the more voices 162 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,400 that are out there, the more people we're going to be able to 163 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,040 bring into the fold. I love that and I so agree and 164 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,920 is all about like who you connect with, because there are 165 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,960 definitely people that like I I like their message, but I just 166 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,600 can't. I don't click with them right 167 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,880 and I'm like, I can't, I'm sorry, like maybe I followed 168 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,560 you, but I've got to unfollow you because I can't. 169 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,760 I just. Can't some people can be very 170 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,080 aggressive about it And what's funny is that over the years I 171 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,480 have come to understand why like the whole I did a post a while 172 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,120 ago about this because it just clicked to me the whole my way 173 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,480 or the highway type of personality where there is only 174 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,800 another myth. There's only one way to feed our 175 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,400 pets raw food or fresh food diet. 176 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,680 And if you deviate from this and you're going to be feeding them 177 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,600 a deficient diet, you're going to be harming your pet, you 178 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,800 know, you're just doing it wrong. 179 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,920 You might as well just go back to feeding kibble if that's the 180 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,640 case. You know, that type of message, 181 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,160 It's so aggressive, it's such a turn off. 182 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,960 But over time, I kind of understand. 183 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,120 I think I understand where that's coming from. 184 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:04,720 And this is the reason why, again, I will not offer 185 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,560 consultations. I'll get on the phone with 186 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,280 someone and tell them this is what I do and have a 187 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,240 conversation with them. But I will not do consultations 188 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:19,000 because when you know that BC and D is what works in this 189 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,000 situation and the person you're working with is doing everything 190 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,880 but what you're suggesting. And they keep coming back to you 191 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,960 and telling you it's not working. 192 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,240 And it's like, well, you're not doing what I say in that case. 193 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,360 You are dealing with a my way or the highway situation. 194 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,120 And many people come to Roth eating because a pet is sick. 195 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,440 And so in order to heal and to get them, it's not enough to 196 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,680 just say, OK, switch to raw, go to the pet store, pick up some 197 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,240 commercial. You know, because this is what I 198 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,400 say, go to the pet store, pick up some commercial raw. 199 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,560 Take the time, start educating yourself about doing it DIY if 200 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,520 that's what you want to do. Find your sources, the equipment 201 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,640 you might need, like an extra freezer or some what is it a 202 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,680 meat cleaver, a meat grinder. Do all of that take because 203 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:05,960 that's my route. That's what I did and that's 204 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,440 what worked for me. But usually when someone is 205 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,520 coming to raw, it's because their dog has severe allergies, 206 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:16,400 has cancer, or has some type of autoimmune illness. 207 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,840 And it's a little bit more than just switching to raw in many of 208 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,200 these cases. And that's where I don't want to 209 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,280 touch that type of situation simply because I don't have the 210 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,640 experience and knowledge to help someone. 211 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,280 But the people that I've spoken to, Bronwyn Farley of Dolce, 212 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,960 yeah, I always say Dolce's and she, she told me it's Dolce's. 213 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,520 Yeah. Stop saying Dolce's legacy. 214 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,040 I know I do too. You know, like she has all of 215 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,960 that knowledge and experience and she knows everything. 216 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,240 Like if I had a dog that was sick and I went to her for help, 217 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:59,400 I'm going to follow exactly what she tells me to do if I want to 218 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,800 see results. But I can understand why people 219 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,680 get home and they sort of like, they start researching for 220 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:09,120 themselves and they see other things and they want to try all 221 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,640 these different things and they feel like, you know, the more I 222 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,320 put at my dog, the better. And they're just simply not 223 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,680 seeing the results. So I can understand when people 224 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,880 come back and go, you have to do it this way. 225 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,080 I think it's trickled into just plain Roth eating where people 226 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,200 are like, no, you have to do it this way, and if you don't do 227 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,400 it, how can you possibly be doing it right? 228 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,000 But I think in some cases that message is born from people 229 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,240 being frustrated of trying to help someone and help their pet 230 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,960 and the person not following the steps that they need a step to 231 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,400 follow and then coming back and being mad because their dog or 232 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,600 cat is still not doing well. Yeah, so much of that resonated 233 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,960 well and for so many reasons. First of all, I my the first 234 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,760 thing I want to say and acknowledge I I think that part 235 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,160 of the reason why we have this like there's only one way 236 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,360 mentality when it comes to pet food specifically. 237 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:13,400 I think that we have just been so heavily indoctrinated and 238 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,080 some of our veterinarians by, you know, the pet food industry 239 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,400 for so many decades at this point that it's like they're the 240 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,520 only ones that can do it right. And they have told us that for 241 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,760 so long that it's so complicated and we're the only ones that can 242 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,760 do can get this right to make sure your pets are healthy. 243 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,360 And so I think that just in general that like the way 244 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,200 allopathic medicine does the same thing to, you know, 245 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,040 holistic or even integrative functional medicine where, you 246 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,440 know, pharmaceuticals are going to fix your problem, right? 247 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,680 And if you're not using pharmaceuticals, then everything 248 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,200 else is just woo woo hippie vibes, right? 249 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,800 Yeah. But there are so, so many myths 250 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,360 around raw feeding specifically. Some are ingredient based, some 251 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,880 are kind of generalized. So I want to try to get to as 252 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,040 many as I can. One of them is around 253 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,320 aggression. What do you want? 254 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Me makes our dogs bloodthirsty. When I told my mom that I was 255 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,280 switching my dogs to a raw food diet umpteen years ago, that was 256 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,320 one of her fears was that my dog was going to go feral. 257 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,080 And I was just like, yeah, that's not going to happen. 258 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,880 And I, I actually had someone at the same time when I first 259 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,520 started creating content about raw feeding, I got a really 260 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,760 nasty e-mail from someone who accused me of being a dog 261 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,040 fighter and that the only person who would feed their dog raw 262 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,520 meat would be someone who was fighting dogs because they want 263 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,640 their dogs to be aggressive. And it's not true. 264 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:52,640 That's not how it works. If anything, a dog fed a high 265 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:58,240 carb diet is liable to be more aggressive than a dog fed a raw 266 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,760 diet simply because of the blood sugar spikes. 267 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,520 I mean just for ourselves. I mean when I am eating a 268 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,520 terrible diet. This last year I started cooking 269 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,720 more and I was astounded at how quickly just everything leveled 270 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,240 out for me. As someone who has lived with 271 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,520 anxiety and depression my entire life, it just went away because 272 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,640 I wasn't eating all, I mean, and it wasn't like I was eating a 273 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,640 terrible diet, wasn't going to McDonald's every day. 274 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,240 But it was just like, there's so many things like the seed oils 275 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,080 and the amount of sugar that we consume. 276 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,360 I mean, there's so many things that are in our diet that do not 277 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,760 help us. And what you said earlier about 278 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,800 treating everything with pharmaceuticals, when you go to 279 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,520 the doctor, they're not going to say, well, here, you know, maybe 280 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,440 if you stop eating blank, blank and blank and start eating fresh 281 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,480 food, you'll do a lot better. No, they're going to prescribe 282 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,440 something to you. And but I think the same thing 283 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,400 goes for our dogs. If our dogs were wild, you know, 284 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,760 they would be hunting. I mean, I've seen it with my dog 285 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,520 myself. Apollo in the spring and the 286 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,880 summer will hunt the rabbits on our property and drives me 287 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,680 crazy. This past year he, he did it. 288 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:10,800 He had a record number. I think he got three rabbits 289 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,200 that I know of and he ate them home. 290 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,520 He did not immediately start coming after us. 291 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,840 He wasn't salivating and drooling. 292 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,480 It wasn't some horror movie. That is what they would do. 293 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:28,080 And I think the whole idea of dogs being carnivores and being 294 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,400 predators gets kind of wrapped up into all of that where yes, 295 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,200 my dog is a carnivore, yes, my dog is a predator. 296 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,160 My dog also likes to cuddle on the bed at night. 297 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,280 My dog is all, he's also my big old baby, fluffy baby. 298 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,240 So it's just, you know, take a step back. 299 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,720 I know it can be scary. It seems like the easiest go to 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,120 fear to to tag people with, but it's just not true. 301 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,080 Yeah, I know. When you're chronically inflamed 302 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,760 and you just feel crappy and you have brain fog, like that's not 303 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:03,520 exclusively a human experience. Unfortunately, I think for most 304 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,079 wild animals, they don't know what that is like. 305 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,800 But for the animals that we've domesticated, they definitely 306 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,400 feel the same things we feel when we impose our own, whatever 307 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,599 we're eating or whatever, however we care for ourselves 308 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:19,680 and we impose that on them. It it definitely trickles down. 309 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,400 So you've already mentioned a couple of times about unbalanced 310 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:32,680 meals and this is a huge topic, I think. 95% of homemade diets 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,280 aren't balanced. Yeah. 312 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,520 Well, and I think there's something to be said for like 313 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,000 who gets to decide what is balanced and what is for each 314 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,320 individual dog, like what their needs are. 315 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,840 I think we, we are so fortunate to live in a time where we can 316 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,520 actually test and see if our dogs are having any. 317 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,760 And granted, that's something that maybe not everybody can 318 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,240 afford to do right now, but that is available to us. 319 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,280 And so I don't know. I don't want to take over, but 320 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,040 what is your idea? What are your thoughts around 321 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,800 balance and and the idea that so many people are feeding an 322 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,080 unbalanced diet to their dogs? Well, I do believe that, you 323 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,520 know, I remember reading the article Aaron and I actually is. 324 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,520 One of our earlier podcast episodes was about the article 325 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,160 that most diets are unbalanced. And I would see this quote here 326 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,440 and there. And I even saw it on a website. 327 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,040 And I asked, where did you get this? 328 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,600 How? Because I couldn't, no one was 329 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,640 linking to a study. And Aaron's the one that tracked 330 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,680 it down. And I think it was maybe it's UC 331 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,720 Davis, California. And we finally found the study. 332 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520 And basically what they did is they found recipes online 333 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,040 recipes and books and then a few recipes by veterinarians and 334 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,360 they ran them through software and determined that power like 335 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:59,320 85 percent, 95% were deficient in a handful of nutrients. 336 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520 And it when you read it, it's not as bad as it seems. 337 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,680 The the flaw with the study is that you're assuming that if 338 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,800 someone buys a cookbook for dogs, they're just going to be 339 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,720 making those recipes in that book. 340 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,520 Or they're just going, if they find a recipe online, they're 341 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,440 just going to only be feeding that recipe as if we're going to 342 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 take from kibble where we're just feeding this one kibble 343 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,560 every day for the rest of their lives. 344 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,760 We're going to feed this one recipe every day for the rest of 345 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,000 their lives. And there are situations where 346 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,520 someone may be doing that. You know, I know that when I was 347 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,120 a new dog owner, a neighbor did a crock pot recipe for his dog. 348 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,120 So he wasn't really changing that up. 349 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,720 He was just putting that and feeding his dogs and his dogs 350 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,560 were doing great. I think that there is some 351 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,600 validity to the idea that most homemade diets aren't balanced. 352 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,720 I just disagree with the idea that we need to balance on a 353 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,720 daily basis. I don't think that that is 354 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,480 natural. I don't think any animal on this 355 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,480 planet is consuming a daily balanced diet with the exception 356 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,960 possibly of babies because they are getting either mother's milk 357 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,440 or like and. Yeah, I guess that's what it 358 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,040 would be. It would be mother's milk, which 359 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,240 is going to cover the nutrients that they may not be getting 360 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,760 elsewhere. With my dogs, I focus on balance 361 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,840 over time. I started when I started really 362 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,080 paying attention to the topic of balance. 363 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,960 My first reaction was to push back and say I don't need a 364 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,720 balanced diet. Why would I feed my dog a 365 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,440 balanced diet? But the more I looked into it, 366 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,920 the more and the more people I spoke to, the more I understood, 367 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,280 OK, this could be a problem. Like if I'm really not 368 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,880 understanding what my dogs need, there could be something crucial 369 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,800 that's missing. And overtime over 5 or 10 years, 370 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,360 I can be regretting that. And so I do want to make sure 371 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,880 I'm doing the best that I can. I still get stuck with the 372 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,320 balance. According to whom? 373 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,120 I think that we have a lot of great information out there. 374 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720 I think we have better information today than we did 20 375 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,080 years ago, 40 years ago. So I'm grateful for that. 376 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,200 And like as you mentioned, we can test for it. 377 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,040 But when, you know, I have three dogs, I don't want to spend $200 378 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,680 per dog every six months testing to make sure that I'm getting 379 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,800 their nutritional needs. And I still am stuck with what 380 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,200 are they facing the judgment on? It's like when I look at, you 381 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,760 know, AFCO, we all know that AFCO isn't looking at fresh 382 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,080 food. When I look at the NRC, I don't 383 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,080 know how much of the NRC is based on fresh food and how much 384 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:44,160 of it's based on processed food. There's also the question of 385 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,160 just basically the planet, you know, our soil isn't as nutrient 386 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,960 rich as it used to be. So there's I just have, I go 387 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,240 down that rabbit hole and I can easily talk myself into, I don't 388 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,960 have to balance my dog's diet. I don't balance my own diet. 389 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,040 So I finally settled on a base mix. 390 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,400 That way I felt like I was covering everything that my dogs 391 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,320 needed, adding a base mix to an 8010 ten diet. 392 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,880 And then with puppies, until they stop growing, I felt 393 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,320 comfortable feeding them either a commercial diet or a diet 394 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,760 formulated by a nutritionist. And that way it was like, that's 395 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,800 what you're going to eat. And the dogs that I get, usually 396 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,600 it's about until they're about seven months old, and then I 397 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,320 switch them over to my DIY. And that's basically what works 398 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,080 for me. Just I know some people agree, 399 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,360 some people disagree. I don't think it's that deep. 400 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,640 I mean, I think it's important that we continue educating 401 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:43,480 ourselves, that we stay open to new information, that we try to 402 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,760 make sure that, you know, OK, making sure my dogs are getting 403 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,640 what they need. But the first probably 2 years 404 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:54,240 of my, my dogs eating a raw food diet, I wasn't, I was feeding 405 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,400 8010 ten. I thought that was balanced. 406 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,000 It wasn't until I just asked someone a question of where does 407 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,080 the omega-3 fatty acids come into this diet? 408 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,680 And then, and, and it started snowballing from there. 409 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,560 And, and I just, I made adjustments here and there, but 410 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:16,440 I think balancing over time with adult dogs is where it's at for 411 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,720 me. And my dogs have been doing 412 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,040 fantastic. And so that's what I just, I, I 413 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,880 real, I understand. I don't want to discourage 414 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,920 people from educating themselves, but I also don't 415 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,960 want people to be like, I can't do this because there was an 416 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,640 article I saw that said it's too hard to balance a homemade diet. 417 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,960 I disagree with that 100%. I think it's very easy to do it. 418 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,040 What's hard is doing the spreadsheets or the software. 419 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:46,160 All of you know the learning curve of all these different 420 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,440 things, which I don't think people, the average person needs 421 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,600 to get involved in that unless they want to. 422 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,200 Yeah, I think for me what I have found the hardest is because I, 423 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,880 I do work with clients is figuring out what is going to 424 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,680 work best for them while trying to get as close to like nature 425 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,080 as possible. Because I definitely have had 426 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,000 clients where I know if I don't give them a complete AFCO 427 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,920 balance recipe multiple, which I never just do one recipe. 428 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,720 I'm all I always, you know, emphasize rotating recipes. 429 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,640 If I don't give them a complete AFCO balance recipe that they 430 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320 are never going to feed anything else other than that. 431 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,560 And then I also have had clients where like, they just get it and 432 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,680 I'm like, OK, we can balance overtime and you're going to be 433 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,440 fine, right? So that's where I get, but in 434 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,360 going and knowing and that not everybody is the same, not every 435 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,960 dog is the same. And dogs are going to react very 436 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,120 differently to different foods. But that, yeah, balance is 437 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,560 definitely something that's, that's still the thing that I 438 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,160 don't, I guess I, I don't struggle with every day, but I 439 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:02,040 try to get right for the person I'm talking to every. 440 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200 I think that's the responsible way to look at it. 441 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,040 And again, another reason why I don't want to do consultations. 442 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,080 The way I feed my dogs is not how I would professionally 443 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,920 encourage someone to feed their dogs because the way I feed my 444 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,240 dogs is something that I've learned over time. 445 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,240 I know my dogs very well. I can adapt and adjust very 446 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,360 quickly with what's going on with them. 447 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,120 There's so many things about my dogs that I do without even 448 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,240 thinking about it, without mentioning it. 449 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,800 I mean, just something as easy or simple as cleaning the yard 450 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,480 and seeing where everybody is with their stool. 451 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,320 Well, you know, making adjustments. 452 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,560 I have a dog Walker and he comes home or it brings my dog back 453 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920 and tells me, oh, this is what, you know, I noticed. 454 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,560 I adapt and adjust and there are so many things that I wouldn't 455 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,800 know how to express this to someone, especially someone 456 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400 brand new, because these are things that I've developed over 457 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,320 time and learned over time. And like you said, some people 458 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,560 get it and they jump right into it and they understand. 459 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,440 Other people are still scared. They're they're basically 460 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,720 hearing these myths, they're being discouraged. 461 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,120 And so they want some type of comfort in knowing that, hey, 462 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,320 this is a balanced diet. I got it from a professional. 463 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,400 And that's one of those things where it's, it's too much, it's 464 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,640 too hard because when you change, I mean, I have the 465 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,440 software because I love it and it's so much fun playing around. 466 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960 But when you change one ingredient, it changes 467 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,880 everything else. And the dog has sensitivities. 468 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 It, it can make it harder to figure, especially, you know, 469 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,360 there's so many dogs out there, they're basically allergic to 470 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,960 air. And there's so many things that 471 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,640 you have to get right. I mean, hearing that dogs have 472 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880 issues with kelp, which is important ingredient is just 473 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,520 like, Oh my gosh, what do you do? 474 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,280 I spoke to someone else whose dog could not have any seafood 475 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,200 and I asked, it's like, what do you do for omegas and how are 476 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,120 you handling that? And because that's my favorite 477 00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,480 topic or not, I wouldn't say favorite, but you know, one of 478 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,040 my favorite topics because it's just like that is so, you know, 479 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,120 granted you can get Omega threes from eggs, but just not at the 480 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,720 level that you can from salmon. But if a dog can't have salmon 481 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200 or fish or shellfish, what are you doing? 482 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,320 Yeah. You know, and it's just, there's 483 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,960 so many things to think about. There are. 484 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,240 It's hard. Too hard. 485 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,600 I know I recently went down that rabbit hole too, because I do, 486 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,360 you know, some I think the universe like brings things to 487 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,800 you, right? You didn't necessarily set out 488 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040 to do something, but the universe was like, Nope, this is 489 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,240 what you're doing. And I would say like 95% of my 490 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,600 clients have leaky gut with just boatloads of sensitivities. 491 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,800 There was dogs that cannot have any seafood. 492 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,080 I'm like, how am I going to get DHA and EPA into this dog? 493 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,600 And it I kind of begrudgingly had to go down the synthetic 494 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,440 rabbit hole because they can make stuff, this thing, this 495 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,800 stuff in a lab now. And I'm like, well, maybe this 496 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,480 is better that, I don't know. I'm like, I hate the idea of 497 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,880 using synthetics, but you know, we also have to work with the 498 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,200 dog in front of us. Yeah, it's like we have to do 499 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840 it's we have to do the best we can. 500 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720 So I always, when it comes to synthetics, I always try to. 501 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,800 I'm fortunate because my dogs have none in their diet right 502 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,720 now. But if something were to change, 503 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,840 it's like I would just like to limit the number of synthetics 504 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,240 rather than eliminate them all together. 505 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760 And then I try to make up for the fact that I'm doing 506 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,080 synthetics in another way. I like making sure that I put 507 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160 some type of additive to their water, you know, that's making 508 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000 it like teeth or something. So their dental health is on 509 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040 point. Anything to just make sure to 510 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520 make up for the fact. And again, it's like one of 511 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,480 those things where I think it sounds complicated with someone 512 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,920 brand new to raw feeding is like, what else do I have to do? 513 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,240 But over time, you just intuitively just adapt and 514 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,240 adjust. You just with, I mean, I think 515 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,320 you do the same for yourself. If you eat something that 516 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,240 doesn't make you feel good, you just, OK, I'm not going to eat 517 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,320 that anymore. Or, or if you have a taste for 518 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,320 something sometimes, because I always believe that if I have a 519 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,080 real craving, it's because my dog, my body needs it. 520 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920 And so I go and get that. And I think you those type of 521 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600 similar things you end up doing for your dog as well. 522 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,880 So I was, I've been debating to ask this question or not because 523 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,960 I know you really are honed in on what works for your dogs. 524 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,760 But to kind of stay on this balance topic for a very long 525 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,280 time I thought 5% liver, 5% other secreting organ. 526 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,560 But as I have evolved and certifications and working with 527 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:57,120 clients and creating recipes and looking at some of the 528 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000 commercial overall diets that have come out in the past couple 529 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,680 of years, I have started feeling more comfortable increasing 530 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,560 organ meat amounts as long as the dog can handle it. 531 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440 And I'm wondering what your stance is, what you've brought 532 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,360 up 801010 and now that we're talking about balance? 533 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,960 Whichever of your thoughts this is like correct me, I don't 534 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,840 often just get to talk about food for my dog. 535 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,200 So surprisingly believe it or not, I don't usually talk to 536 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,240 other people. I'm usually just making content. 537 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,000 But that is such a great question. 538 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,200 I look at 801010 as an estimate because someone actually on 539 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640 TikTok asked me what does that look like? 540 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,240 Can you do a video showing me what exactly? 541 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,360 8010 ten my video was like? I do mostly meat and I do some 542 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,520 bone and I do some organ and that's basically my 801010. 543 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,520 I used to calculate it out and figure out the weight and I 544 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040 don't do that anymore. And the reason why is because 545 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,120 nothing ever comes that way. I rarely just get meat. 546 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,200 Usually I get meat and bone and then I get separate or I get 547 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,800 meat, bone and Oregon, but it's not enough Oregon. 548 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,280 So I'm adding an additional organ so my dog's diet can be at 549 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,080 minimal 10% organ meat and go up to 15. 550 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,600 And actually I just recently did a meal prep pheasant and I 551 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920 thought out too much organ meat for what I had. 552 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,800 And I was just like trying to decide if I wanted to just use 553 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,440 part of it and put it back in the freezer. 554 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,880 But I was like, you know what, it's not that much too much. 555 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200 So I went ahead and put it all in there to see if everyone can 556 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920 do it and they did it just fine. My thought is that because I 557 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,640 balance over time and to me over time can be over a week, it can 558 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960 be over a month. It's just basically over the 559 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,800 life of my dogs, they're getting a variety of different things 560 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,160 and I switch up the the main protein on a weekly basis. 561 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360 So for instance, this week they're doing beef and Turkey 562 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120 and next week maybe they'll do venison and something in the 563 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840 week after they'll do my organ heavy pheasant. 564 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,280 But it comes and goes and their body adjusts and adapts for it 565 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320 and they do just fine. I'm also the type of person who 566 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,240 does not think that you have to have multiple secreting organs. 567 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,480 I get why people say that because they're so nutrient 568 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800 rich. However, not everyone has access 569 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,400 to multiple secreting organs. And what I think when we say 570 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:33,120 these things as if it's it's law, we alienate people and put 571 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,600 because there's like, well, I can't do that. 572 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,600 And so they just figure they can't feed raw. 573 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,920 I also feed heart as an organ meat and it's a muscular organ 574 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560 and a lot of people are like, well, no, it's a muscle meat. 575 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,760 You're supposed to feed into the muscle meat. 576 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320 And I'm like, no, I don't. The reason why is because heart 577 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200 is also very rich. In my opinion. 578 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960 A muscle meat is something that's the main part of the 579 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600 diet. I would never ever feed heart as 580 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,720 the main part of my dog's diet because it would be diarrhea 581 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,680 city all over the place. So I feed it as an organ meat. 582 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,680 I usually mix heart, liver, kidney and spleen when I'm 583 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,000 asking for like some local farms and they're like, what organs do 584 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280 you want? Those are the organs I asked for 585 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520 and I grind them up and mix them together as the organ meat. 586 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,240 I don't think about how much it is. 587 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440 It's mostly liver because the liver is huge, but I don't worry 588 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,440 about how much of everything is Each batch that I get is a 589 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040 little different because what I received from the farm is a 590 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,160 little bit different. And I've just learned to accept 591 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,720 that my dogs are getting what they're getting. 592 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480 I'm sure that I could like you know, I've had my recipes 593 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,000 reviewed, but even the recipes I had reviewed are not what I'm 594 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,480 feeding my dogs today. Because again, it it depends 595 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,120 everything depends on what I add to my organ mix that changes how 596 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,280 much base mix I add changes whether I add boiled oysters or 597 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,240 zinc or not changes that every single protein changes. 598 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,040 So I just go for variety and I try to get as much without going 599 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,960 overboard with my dogs. And there is possible because I 600 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,800 do believe that the organs are where all their vitamins and 601 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560 minerals are really going to be. That's the powerhouse. 602 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,239 And so I want to make sure they get it. 603 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320 But as you said, you know, I just want to make sure that I 604 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,800 hit their limit because otherwise that's when you get 605 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,239 the the loose stool, the diarrhea. 606 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,159 Yeah, yeah, there's, I think there's so much wiggle room and 607 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,520 I think that's kind of the point of this episode is to say there 608 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,520 is so much wiggle room there. Is. 609 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,360 So to stay on the topic of individual ingredients, there 610 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,719 are still many, many people out there who are raw feeders who 611 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,760 are adamantly against feeding vegetables, and we haven't 612 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,800 brought this up yet. I did. 613 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,520 Not know this until recently and I don't remember where I saw it. 614 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440 I don't know if it's under one, one of my posts or in a group. 615 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,080 I don't know where it was, but I saw that and I was just like, Oh 616 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,080 my gosh, that's still a thing. Because I mean, granted, hey, 617 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,960 you know, you do you Boo. But no, my dogs, you know, like 618 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,880 the, well, I did bring up, I did share the, the post someone sent 619 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,680 it to me about wolves and how they, they don't eat the stomach 620 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,880 contents. And at this one, I don't know if 621 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,880 it was Yellowstone or or something. 622 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,040 I first of all, my dogs aren't wolves. 623 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,760 My their diet is inspired that of a wolf, but then I then adapt 624 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920 and adjust because I have domesticated dogs. 625 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,800 The reason why I add vegetables is because it's an excellent 626 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,760 source of fiber. I add them for the antioxidants 627 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960 I add them for. I feel like it pushes you over 628 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,880 the top when it comes to certain nutrients a little bit like now 629 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,720 let's just make sure we got everything. 630 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,040 And then there's just all these really amazing benefits that my 631 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,800 dogs can get from vegetables. If they're fermented, then I'm 632 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040 taking care of the gut health. I'm making sure that they have a 633 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,120 diverse gut microbiome. It's so much better to use 634 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,320 vegetables or fermented vegetables or going back and 635 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,920 forth between both over a supplement because you're 636 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,600 working with the dog's native gut bacteria. 637 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880 So if you have a dog that already has a really, you know, 638 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840 they're, they're, they're not super compromised. 639 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920 You can just keep it going with vegetables. 640 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,280 I mean, I, I mean, and it's funny because I posted an image 641 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,760 and a local veterinarian who is like my hero, she commented. 642 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,080 And so I was just like, Oh my God, Doctor Donna commented on 643 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120 my post, but she just commented, where are the vegetables? 644 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,960 And I was like, they're mixed in because I do a grind, but yeah, 645 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,200 they're there. And what's funny is that I add 646 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920 way more vegetables than a lot of people recommend because 647 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,680 there's my base mix. But then I also use Gassy's gut, 648 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,000 which I now alternate with the useful grasses and sprouts. 649 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040 Sometimes, you know, in the summer time, I grow my own 650 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,880 garden and I just basically grind up the vegetables every 651 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080 month and they're all in my freezer and I use them year 652 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,320 round. And so whenever I'm doing a meal 653 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,160 prep, I'm doing my base mix, but I also will thaw out a jar of 654 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,760 vegetables and pour that into my meal prep as well. 655 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160 So I and then on top of that, I'm using Gassy's gut. 656 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,960 And I mean, so I am vegetable heavy in this house. 657 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,760 And the reason why is because there are just so many amazing 658 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,320 benefits. And I look at it as my dogs are 659 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680 being hit with, you know, a toxic world. 660 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,920 They aren't, although my dogs do have a very good life for dogs 661 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,640 like today or this week I am. I have a cold, so my dogs aren't 662 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560 getting out as much as they normally would. 663 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,440 It's, you know, if I'm also very busy with my work. 664 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,360 So my dogs aren't getting out as much as they are. 665 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,320 So it's sort of cooped up in the house a little bit. 666 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,800 They're not living the life that they would live if they were 667 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,720 living a perfect wildlife that we're trying to replicate. 668 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,640 And so I kind of feel like in some cases the vegetables are 669 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,520 making up for what I'm not able to provide my dogs, what their 670 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320 diet isn't able to provide because, you know, the animals, 671 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,040 although my dogs are getting like top of the line grass fed. 672 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,280 You know, Washington state is a great state to be in to raise 673 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,160 raw fed dogs because we have access to so many things where I 674 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,400 live. So they're getting premium meat, 675 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,480 but it's still from ground that's not as nutrient rich as 676 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,480 it should be. So I feel like I'm making up for 677 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920 that with the vegetables. Should everyone do what I'm 678 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,600 doing? Nah, you do you. 679 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,600 But I am always just blown away by people who are like, dogs 680 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160 don't need vegetables. My dogs won't eat vegetables. 681 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,600 And I'm just like, really. I mean, my dogs very rarely, if 682 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,760 I give them a vegetable, very rarely. 683 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,360 We'll just, I tried to give them carrots the other day and 684 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,040 they're just like, I don't even understand what you're doing 685 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,480 right now. Like they were not interested. 686 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,440 But then like a couple weeks ago, I dropped a broccoli on the 687 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600 ground and you would think I had dropped the steak. 688 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,440 They were just like, what is this? 689 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920 And everyone had broccoli and we're waiting for more. 690 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120 So I don't know. Yeah. 691 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,840 Well, and I think to go back to that study of the wolves that 692 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:41,000 that was brought up, there are so many things that we overlook 693 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,080 when we just look at the quote UN quote, results of a study in 694 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,960 that one, for example, we're completely overlooking the fact 695 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,120 that wolves live outdoors, right? 696 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,920 And I know you have talked about this before because, you know, 697 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,560 Rodney and Karen talk about this so much that the one constant 698 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,800 and all of the oldest lived dogs is how much time they spent 699 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080 outdoors. Most of them lived outdoors. 700 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,360 And so that does make up for SO. Much when it comes to like the 701 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,240 gut microbiome and the immune system health and like there's 702 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,120 so much that we're not taking into account when we're just 703 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,200 looking at like they're eating this and those dogs are eating 704 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800 something different, right? Like there's so much not being 705 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,400 taken into account. Well, it goes to like the the 706 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,200 belief and I remember this the first time I ever disagreed with 707 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080 a raw feeder, like where I wrote an article about it and 708 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,080 everything. It was years ago where this guy 709 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,400 posted an article and it was entitled something like Oprah 710 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,520 Winfrey feeds her dogs raw because it prevents cancer or 711 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,320 something like that. And I was just like, first of 712 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,240 all, how do you know what Oprah Winfrey feeds her dogs? 713 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,800 And and why are you saying it prevents cancer? 714 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,760 And this is before I even had a dog with cancer. 715 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,040 But that was like, if that doesn't make sense to me. 716 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,080 It's like it's just one of those. 717 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,760 There's so many reasons why a dog would get cancer. 718 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720 Wouldn't it be great if the only thing all of us had to do was 719 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,120 eat fresh food and we would live forever? 720 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,240 It's like it just couldn't be that easy. 721 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,720 You know, when I see people post things like, you know, telling 722 00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,280 people if their dog died, well, you should have fed raw and your 723 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,840 dog would have been fine. And it's like, that's not true. 724 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,200 I've had two dogs with cancer. They had everything. 725 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,520 They had the best diet, the best life, and they still got cancer. 726 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880 And granted, maybe there is something that I was missing. 727 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,480 I don't know what it could have been. 728 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,800 And I try not to dwell on that. But I also don't want people 729 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560 thinking that raw feeding is this. 730 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,840 It's going to keep your dog bulletproof. 731 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,480 So we do diet, we improve the diet, but we also work on our 732 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,680 dogs developing a healthy gut microbiome. 733 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,640 We work on making sure they get plenty of exercise. 734 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,720 We make sure that they live in a low toxic environment. 735 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,240 We make sure that they're getting plenty of rest. 736 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,480 You know, we make sure that you know, they touch grass and that 737 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,760 they're sniffing and they're engaged. 738 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,280 There's so many things that are important because as you said 739 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,040 about the dogs that live outside, I've seen this with 740 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,160 kibble fed dogs that live a long life. 741 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,400 One of the things personally that I've witnessed with my 742 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,640 friends dogs is these are dogs who they live on land and 743 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,520 they're running and active. And I mean, I have a friend 744 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,280 whose dog has been dying for several years now because he's 745 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320 getting old, but he still goes on long walks every day. 746 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,360 I mean, he's slowed down, but not not a stranger would notice. 747 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,440 I noticed because I've known this dog for a decade, but a 748 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,280 stranger wouldn't notice that he'd slow down. 749 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,800 But it's just, you know, they're outside. 750 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,520 Sometimes they're just laying in the grass and up the sun. 751 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,480 Sometimes they're wandering around the property. 752 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,880 But they are exposed to so much outside. 753 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,280 And I think that that's, you know, one thing that Doctor 754 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,240 Karen Becker said when we interviewed her was that, you 755 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,040 know, you people who live in the city, for instance, it's like 756 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,360 their dogs don't have access to these type of things. 757 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,360 And she was like, go hiking or take them to a park and let them 758 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,320 just walk around on the grass in the park. 759 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,280 There are just so many things that we don't think about when 760 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,000 we're trying to get our dogs to live a long, healthy life. 761 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,800 We focus so heavily on diet that we forget that there are all 762 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,480 these other things that we can be doing, too, many of which are 763 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,480 free and uncomplicated, that we need to add into the equation as 764 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,600 well. Absolutely. 765 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,440 Well I I still have a ton of questions but I'm wondering if 766 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,320 there's anything that just like irks you so much that she wanted 767 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,080 to break up or many things. I think it's like, I think the 768 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,920 thing that drives me absolutely bonkers, and I mean it does and 769 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520 it's the reason why because I used to, people always ask why 770 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,720 don't you do this full time? Is this your full time job? 771 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,760 No, it's not. And the reason why is because I 772 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,280 don't want to depend on social media and my blog for my main 773 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,120 income because I feel like when you do that, you have to start 774 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,760 promoting things a lot. And so one of the things that 775 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,680 drives me absolutely crazy is this belief that our dogs have 776 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040 to have certain things like that. 777 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,960 They're, you know, you need to buy all of these supplements and 778 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,840 you need to buy all of these tools in order to have a healthy 779 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560 dog. And it's so not true for every, 780 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,960 well, I shouldn't say every, for many supplements that are 781 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,200 promoted out there and even ones that I use, there is a free 782 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,160 alternative that the average person to do. 783 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,320 It may not be 100% free. There may be some initial 784 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040 outlay. But you know, a great example is 785 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,320 I am absolutely in love with the Gussie's Gut new product, 786 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,960 youthful grasses and sprouts. I can also grow my own grasses 787 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,400 and sprouts. I don't know how to ferment 788 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,440 them, but I can grow them myself and add them to my dog's diet. 789 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,040 You know, I love Gussie's Gut daily. 790 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,480 I could also grow my own vegetables and ferment them and 791 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,680 add them to my dog's diet. You know, when it comes to what 792 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,680 is it joint or not, joint supplements, digestive 793 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960 supplements. Again, I can use fermented 794 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,080 vegetables. I can use raw goat's milk. 795 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,960 I can make some kefir. There are a lot of things out 796 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080 there. You don't have to buy the 797 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,360 commercial brands of things. You can look and see if you have 798 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,880 a goat farm and how much, see how much they charge for their 799 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,480 milk and buy milk that way. There are just so many ways you 800 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,240 can cut corners. And I think that for a lot of 801 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:50,080 people watching content creators sharing what we're doing, they 802 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,840 can get kind of caught up in all of the products on the counter 803 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,280 or the things that we're talking about. 804 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,280 And I just want people to understand the reason why I'm 805 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,680 able to do a lot of these things is because I've been in this 806 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,600 business for over a decade. I know a lot of people who are 807 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,760 very nice and send me things. I also have a full time job so I 808 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,520 can go and get these things. I live in an area that is 809 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,880 abundant of resources. So I have a lot of friends who 810 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,800 are homesteaders who give me things. 811 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,440 So I've had, I have access to a lot of really great things, but 812 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,800 if you can't do what I'm doing, for example, that doesn't mean 813 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,840 you can't feed raw or that you can't do a good job. 814 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,600 Because when I first started and learned initially from people 815 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,760 who got everything for free, I mean, they were doing roadkill 816 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,200 and, you know, basically feeding their dogs carcasses and, and 817 00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960 their dogs were thriving and living long lives. 818 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,240 I don't recommend feeding dogs that way, but from that 819 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,360 experience I do understand that it doesn't have to cost hundreds 820 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,720 and hundreds of dollars per dog to feed them fresh food. 821 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120 Well, I think that is. I don't know if you can hear my 822 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,000 husband in the background. I apologize if you can. 823 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560 You would be able to hear Johan in the background. 824 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:12,320 That actually is a really great place to mention that. 825 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,040 Kimberly has been on the podcast a couple of times before. 826 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,720 Once we did talk about feeding a raw food diet on a budget. 827 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,040 So if what Kimberly was just talking about is like, oh, I 828 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,840 want to learn more about that and how I can save money, go 829 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600 back and check out that episode. I'll link it in the show notes 830 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,240 as well. And yeah, I think, gosh, there's 831 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,160 so many other things that I wanted to to, to ask you, but. 832 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,400 Time. I have time. 833 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,160 OK, let's let's do one more. And I think this one, this one 834 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,320 is like top of mind with me because I literally was just 835 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,920 creating recipes for somebody and using various bones and she 836 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,120 was like, why? Why is like all the proportions 837 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,400 of everything is changing and I'm like, because bones aren't 838 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,440 interchangeable. So a lot of people do find 839 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,880 recipes and they're like, well, I can't find this ingredient or 840 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,880 I don't want to feed this ingredient, let me just replace 841 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,040 it with something, bones being one of them. 842 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,240 And for me, that's like, if all you're going by is 1 recipe, 843 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,120 first of all, we need to improve that. 844 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,400 But also no, please don't. I remember when I used to have a 845 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,240 raw feeding group and I finally given up on. 846 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,320 I am just not the type of person that can have a raw feeding 847 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,200 group, but I remember someone saying that they don't feed 848 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,000 their dogs bone. They just feed their dogs 849 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400 cottage cheese. And I was just like, huh. 850 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960 And at the time I, I mean, I, I mean, I was a raw feeder, but 851 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560 you know, I didn't, I hadn't taken any of the certifications. 852 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600 None of that was even around. I think the only certification 853 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,640 that was around was Kosi and I didn't know about that. 854 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720 So I'm just sort of like, that doesn't feel right. 855 00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,320 And I started emailing people like, hey, is this OK? 856 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,000 And but I was just like, you know what, you do you. 857 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,320 But I do find that, like, for instance, people will try and 858 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,520 cut corners. So, you know, you'll pay for one 859 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,760 recipe and then just swap out the protein. 860 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,000 I mean, because technically with my my recipes, all I'm doing is 861 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,840 swapping out the main protein and everything else is kind of 862 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,920 the same. But when you really dig into 863 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,960 what I'm doing, my organ blend is always different. 864 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,080 The protein, the source might be a little different because I 865 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,240 have two sources for pork, I have two sources for beef. 866 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,120 So everything changes a little bit. 867 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:34,480 I understand that I am messing up my recipe. 868 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,520 Like if I were to actually make it balanced to the TI would be 869 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,800 messing it up by changing anything in that recipe and I 870 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,280 have to basically fix and adjust and I just don't want to do that 871 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,120 and I'm OK with that. But if you buy one recipe, it's 872 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,640 just sort of like if you were to nutrient test your dogs. 873 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,520 We have 4 dogs and you feel they're all eating the exact 874 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,840 same diet. I'll just nutrient test one of 875 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,320 the dogs and that'll tell me if they're all doing OK. 876 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,040 What you're not thinking about is that every dog is different 877 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,040 and so they may be absorbing nutrients differently, and I 878 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,000 learned this with my dogs when I tested them and Rodrigo came 879 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,520 back completely different than everyone else. 880 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,560 He also had a digestive issue that he digested, needed 881 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,520 digestive enzymes in all of his meals in order to absorb 882 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,720 nutrients. So that was why his was a little 883 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,920 bit off. There could also be illnesses 884 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,760 that are happening with a dog that may impact how they're 885 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,920 absorbing nutrients or how it presents within a test. 886 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800 You also may have just done something wrong and you may not 887 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,640 have noticed and you're just assuming that because this one 888 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,400 dog is fine. Or maybe this one dog is a 889 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,080 little off and so now you're assuming all the dogs are off 890 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,880 and that's not the case. It's just sort of like it's so 891 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,720 important to treat every dog as an individual and with each 892 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,040 recipe, it's so important to individualize those recipes and 893 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,640 understand that although I understand the goal of wanting 894 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,320 to save money, it's just not a good idea to assume that if you 895 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,840 change one aspect of a recipe that the rest of it is going to 896 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,600 be OK. If your goal is balance per 897 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,600 meal, you really have to do the work to balance per meal. 898 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,200 And that's where it's one of those where you can either take 899 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,280 the time to educate yourself on how to do that. 900 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,960 You can invest in formulation software, or you can work with a 901 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,240 professional and maybe just explain, hey, my budget is 902 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,760 tight. Can you help me figure this out 903 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,160 so that I'm not spending all of my money on just the recipe? 904 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,080 But yeah, I guess that's all. Well, and that brings me to what 905 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,760 will be my final question for you. 906 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,560 And here's my setup for that question. 907 00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,680 The idea and you were just saying that you could nutrient 908 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,120 test one of your dogs and apply it to all of your dogs made me 909 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,560 think of I've been on health journey myself as I know you 910 00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,320 have as well. And I've been reading so many 911 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,560 books on fasting and glucose and what to eat for my cycle and 912 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040 what to eat. Like so many things that. 913 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520 And one of the things that popped in my head when you were 914 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,840 saying that is that I've learned that just because of food or a 915 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,880 drink, because there are a handful that generally speaking 916 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,240 won't technically break a fast for most people. 917 00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,440 That's not true for everyone depending on your individual gut 918 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,880 microbiome. And that was kind of what popped 919 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,360 into my head. And so I'm like, OK, this is a 920 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,280 good segue into one of the things I'm trying to do this 921 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,760 year in the podcast is incorporate just a teeny tiny 922 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,280 bit of humans, specifically women, because that's the my 923 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,880 primary demographic health, because this is the pet 924 00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,240 parenting reset, which is of course all about making our pets 925 00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,120 happy and healthy. But part of that is keeping 926 00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,960 ourselves healthy as well. And so I'm trying to incorporate 927 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,240 that a little bit more into the podcast this year. 928 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,720 So I'm sure there are a billion things that you have learned 929 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,440 from caring for your dogs over the past decade plus that you 930 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,320 have realized I can make these adjustments in my life too. 931 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,280 And I know you have been on that journey, especially in the past 932 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,280 couple of years. What are some of the things that 933 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,920 you have found have been made like the biggest impact for you 934 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,800 and improving your own health? Decreasing the amount of carbs I 935 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160 consume. I don't eat a carnivore diet, 936 00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:44,120 but I do eat a protein heavy diet, so high fat, high protein, 937 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,800 low carb diet. And I know that when I do 938 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,920 consume, I don't know where my limit is, but I can always, I 939 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,320 know when I've hit it because I feel like crap and I'm, you 940 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,360 know, I'm sluggish and all of that. 941 00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840 I'm also anemic. So I started instead of taking 942 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,320 on synthetic iron tablets, which really never did much for me, I 943 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,800 switched to freeze dried organs and I started with spleen just 944 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,640 to get myself to be normalized, went to liver and then now I'm 945 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,520 just doing all organs and that is amazing. 946 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:21,120 And also real mushrooms. Adding mushrooms to my diet has 947 00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,200 been absolutely just game changing and immediately so. 948 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,120 And the first thing I realized, the first benefit I saw was I've 949 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,040 also had severe environmental allergies all my life. 950 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,960 And probably this this spring, I started real mushrooms. 951 00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,640 I can't remember which year, I think it was like 2 years ago. 952 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,880 I started in the winter. That spring. 953 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,320 I was talking on the phone with my boss and he just noticed I 954 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,040 wasn't stuffed up. And I was like, he's like, oh, 955 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,960 did you find a allergy medicine that works? 956 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080 And I was like, no, I'm not taking allergy medicine. 957 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,720 And like, why aren't That's a weird question. 958 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,600 And I'm like, what's the mushrooms? 959 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,120 I bet you. And sure enough, I that made me 960 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,680 so happy. But what I found was that even 961 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,000 now, like this week, I have a really crappy cold. 962 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,720 But I feel like today my colds feel like that feeling of coming 963 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,960 down with the cold or that feeling of getting over a cold. 964 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,640 I never quite get into just the ugly part of the cold because 965 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,920 and I don't take any cold men. I should say I rarely take cold 966 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,760 medicine. But, you know, and going to 967 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,720 balance, which we discussed earlier, adding things like 968 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,640 making sure I'm getting enough vitamin D in my diet, magnesium 969 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,960 in my diet, there's some vitamin K, There's so many things that 970 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,880 we as humans aren't getting in our diet. 971 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,480 And we sit there and we say things like, I don't balance my 972 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,440 diet. Why should I balance my dog's 973 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,440 diet? Yet we have anxiety, we have 974 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440 depression. We're, you know, overweight. 975 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:53,440 We're not getting good sleep, you know, we have aches and 976 00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,440 pains and we're not thinking about the fact that how much of 977 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,080 that goes to what we're consuming. 978 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,040 I mean, we're just trusting that the food industry is giving us 979 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,360 what we need, that when we go and order, like when I go to 980 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,360 restaurants now, I'm hesitant to buy or order so many things 981 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,160 because I don't know what's cooked in. 982 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,680 It's like, was it cooked in butter or was it cooked in 983 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,920 canola oil? And usually the wing staff 984 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,920 doesn't know either. So I find it easier to just, you 985 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,680 know, I go out with my friends and I'll have a drink and I'll 986 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,160 have something small, but to get most of my food at home where I 987 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,280 can now control the ingredients. And so that was another thing 988 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,320 like the sourcing, there's so many things that we can pick up. 989 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,760 And truly, I mean, a lot of these things you would think 990 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,640 take time, but like my body was, was like, yes, finally she got 991 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,240 it. And like within a month I would 992 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,560 see a difference. And now it's been a couple of 993 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,480 years and yeah, I, I feel really great. 994 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,880 I sleep great. I actually feel my anxiety 995 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,000 happening and can adapt and adjust naturally with CBD oil. 996 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,240 Those are the type of things. And it's like, I've been doing 997 00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,080 this with my dogs for over a decade, but it took me all that 998 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,640 time to go, huh? I wonder how I'd feel. 999 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,320 Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way. Yeah, I've been taking beef 1000 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:26,320 organs for close to three years now and I definitely especially 1001 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080 at first noticed a huge difference. 1002 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,800 I would recently made an adjustment after having AI had I 1003 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,840 actually had a session with magical mutts Michelle Michelle 1004 00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,600 Thomas for my dog Kim. She doesn't she just lets 1005 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,160 whatever come through come through. 1006 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,080 She spent so much time on me and she was like, you need more fat 1007 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,880 in your diet. So I have actually been taking 1008 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160 fat pills. Basically they're like kidneys 1009 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,240 to it and stuff like that. So I'm like, OK, we'll, we'll 1010 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,000 get some more fat and you know, more avocados, more butter, more 1011 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,160 tallow. Like I've, I've been really 1012 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280 trying to increase the fat in my diet. 1013 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,280 Apparently I'm, I'm very fat. Adapt. 1014 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,840 Well, it's, that's another beautiful thing about TikTok is 1015 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,840 that I started getting recipes coming through my feet and I was 1016 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,880 just like, especially if it's something simple. 1017 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,000 So recently I made these avocado patties and I basically it was 2 1018 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440 avocados in a bowl, mushed them up. 1019 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,480 I added one egg. I can added one or two eggs. 1020 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,600 I honestly don't remember, but I did add 2 cups of Parmesan 1021 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,520 cheese, mixed it all together, smashed it into patties, baked 1022 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,240 it for 20 minutes and then ate it with like a burger Patty with 1023 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,880 it. Delicious. 1024 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,600 They were ahead. It does sound delicious. 1025 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,360 Yeah, and it's just like, you know, this nice healthy fat and 1026 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400 protein meal. I love that. 1027 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,480 I think I'm going to try that, especially with my hamburger 1028 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360 because I am not a huge fan of hamburger meat. 1029 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,200 I don't like the texture. I'm such a child. 1030 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,760 I have a child's palate. I would much prefer to eat like 1031 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,600 a steak or a piece of chicken or something, just that textural 1032 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,040 difference. So yeah, I have to. 1033 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,200 I have to give myself something to like, choke down hamburger 1034 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:22,840 meat. Yeah, I mean, you can, you can 1035 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840 eat it as patties. The first video I saw of it, 1036 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,200 they did, they made fries. They just put it in like in 1037 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,200 little rectangular thing to make fries. 1038 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,440 And they hadn't, I don't know what the dip was, but someone I 1039 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,680 was looking for it on YouTube and found it. 1040 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,040 And this woman made patties and she was she actually used it and 1041 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,280 made it as a burger and she used ESOP. 1042 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,880 And I do do it that way. But yeah, but yeah, it was 1043 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,960 really good. I mean, and so it's like it's 1044 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,040 it's kind of fun and easy. Of course, my dogs aren't used 1045 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,200 to me being in the kitchen unless I'm making something for 1046 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,240 them. So whenever I'm cooking food, 1047 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,440 even though they just ate, everyone's parked ready for 1048 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,920 their next meal. It's like, no, this is not for 1049 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,680 you, this is for me. Well, I I love that you're doing 1050 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,760 that, that you are healthier and happier. 1051 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,080 You definitely are glowing and I appreciate that you were kind 1052 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,240 enough to share some of what you're doing with us. 1053 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,760 So, OK, National Raw Feeding Rate Week just started today, 1054 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,360 April first. What is kind of your hope that 1055 01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,880 people take away from National Raw Feeding Week? 1056 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,600 Well, usually I interview tons of people every day throughout 1057 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,960 the week. And to be honest, I hated it. 1058 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,880 Absolutely hated it. It's so freaking much work with 1059 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,080 the editing and the scheduling and everything. 1060 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,040 So this week or this year, this year, I just want to post my 1061 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,880 recipes. And so I was going to do 1:00 1062 01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,440 every single day just to show people that it's easy. 1063 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,360 And I want people to just see that this isn't something scary. 1064 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,880 You can find people to follow. You don't have to make an 1065 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,440 immediate change if you're not comfortable making a change. 1066 01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,240 And when I was new to rock feeding, it took me probably 1067 01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,080 four or five months, maybe even six months before I actually 1068 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,400 started trying to make a change. But just do one thing, one thing 1069 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,040 and start going from there and take your time, you know, enjoy 1070 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,560 the content and understand that there, there is a lot of stuff 1071 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920 that you can pay for. You can pay for courses, you can 1072 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,040 pay for consultations. But all of us who are in this 1073 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,440 community, whether we charge for things or not, are sharing free 1074 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,960 content. So it's like soak it up and get 1075 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,600 get that idea of the things that you have to do. 1076 01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,800 It's not meant to be judgmental. It's not meant to be bullying or 1077 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,680 pressuring. It's just meant to share and let 1078 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,840 people know that there is something that you can do 1079 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,120 because we love our animals so much. 1080 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,640 We know that everyone else loves their animals so much and we 1081 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,600 want to see them live longer, happy, healthier lives. 1082 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,560 And diet is one of those paths to getting there. 1083 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,200 And so, you know, just check us out. 1084 01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,160 Yeah, I'm so glad you said that because I try to. 1085 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,200 That's why I started this podcast is because I try to live 1086 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,680 by the motto in business that you put your best stuff out 1087 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,760 there for free and then people will come find you. 1088 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,560 And so that's what I've been trying to do with this podcast, 1089 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,560 is put the best stuff out there for free for people to learn and 1090 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,160 grow. And yeah, like you could do so 1091 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,080 much just by listening to it and your podcast, by the way, which 1092 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,040 I got. I was trying to get out at the 1093 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,320 beginning. Alternative Dog Moms with Aaron. 1094 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,560 Yeah, and that's the other thing is I want this week to also be a 1095 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,080 push for people who are, whether you're feeding raw, cooked or 1096 01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,360 just adding fresh food to kibble, whatever you're doing to 1097 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,920 help your dog live a longer, happier, healthier lives, 1098 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,960 whether it's, you know, I take my dog hiking every weekend. 1099 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,920 I want more people to start putting that content out there. 1100 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,160 I don't. I rarely put myself on camera. 1101 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,320 It's all about my dogs. You don't have to worry about. 1102 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,760 I don't want to be on camera or I don't know how to. 1103 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,520 It's so easy to do this and, and what's amazing is that there are 1104 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,600 so many of us who are more than happy to share tips and tools. 1105 01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,280 I went to coffee with a friend the other day and gave her all 1106 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:20,920 of my tips. This is everything that I'm 1107 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,920 doing to create content that makes it easier. 1108 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,040 And there's so many free tools out there to help you do it. 1109 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,200 If you have a a smartphone and you have the social media apps, 1110 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,840 you can start creating content about what you're doing right 1111 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,320 now and people will love and appreciate it. 1112 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,400 You may not become, you know, have $1,000,000. 1113 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,600 Yeah. But to be perfectly honest, do 1114 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,160 you really want that? Have you ever drove into the 1115 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,360 comments of someone who was super famous? 1116 01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,160 It's not a fun place to be. But you know, people, even if 1117 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,200 it's just family and friends, people will listen. 1118 01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,160 I mean, it's amazing how I've had friends. 1119 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,360 My friends now called me and stuff where I didn't realize 1120 01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:06,160 that they followed me and family, but they do and so it's 1121 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,600 amazing how many people you can impact by just sharing what 1122 01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,160 you're doing. So be brave. 1123 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,280 I love that and thank you so much for being here and 1124 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,040 goodness, there's there's so much. 1125 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,520 But it doesn't have to be overwhelming as you have said. 1126 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,240 And check out Kimberly's content all the time, but especially 1127 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,760 this week for National Raw Feeding Week so you can get an 1128 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,600 idea of how simple it really can be and how you can do it too. 1129 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,320 Thank you so much for being here, Kimberly. 1130 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,000 Thank you. Thanks for having me. 1131 01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,120 All right guys, y'all have a great rest of your week and I 1132 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,080 will talk to you next week.