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Welcome back, pet parent. 
I have been pretty reluctant to 

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bring dog trainers on the show, 
and that's because I was a dog 

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trainer myself for a number of 
years and it's a very polarizing

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topic. 
There are lots of different 

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methods for dog training and 
many of them I personally don't 

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agree with. 
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me to open myself up to bring 
any dog trainers to you because 

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I want to make sure that I'm 
bringing you the best 

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information and information that
I know not only resonates with 

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me, but I feel like it's going 
to resonate for you. 

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Like if you're here listening to
me, it's because you are what we

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like to call a 2.0 pet parent 
and you want to do everything 

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that you possibly can for your 
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And so when today's guest 
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booked a call and wanted to kind
of feel her out. 

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But what really interested me is
that she's not only a dog 

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trainer, she's an animal 
communicator. 

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She does pet numerology, which 
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And she she's the founder of 
petprana.com. 

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She also recently came out with 
a book on translating your dog's

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behavior, which I find 
absolutely fascinating. 

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I want to welcome on the show 
today, Denise Mond. 

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Thank you so much for being 
here. 

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Denise, how are you doing? 
I'm so excited to be here and 

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I'm so honored that, you know, 
we connected and you're bringing

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me on. 
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dog training is so valid and 
something that really resonates 

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with that parents because when 
you're bringing in a dog trainer

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into your home, there's so many 
different options out there. 

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There's so much information out 
there about dog training and a 

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lot of it is conflicting, 
especially if you go online, 

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there's so many different views 
and philosophies. 

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So one thing I always remind my 
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incredibly intuitive. 
And even though I'm an expert in

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dog training, they're an expert 
in their dog. 

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And so anything, you know, 
whoever it is that they bring in

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to help them raise their their 
furry friend, if that person or 

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if I, you know, bring in 
information or strategies that 

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they know won't work for their 
path, trust their gut and take a

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page out of your dog's book to 
get your bark on, right? 

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Let them know, you know, that 
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Are there any alternatives? 
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you know, human children, you're
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That is so true. 
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actually in so many areas 
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every area of your dog or your 
cat's life. 

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You are their advocate. 
You are the final say. 

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And I think it's really 
difficult for pet parents when 

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dealing with professionals that 
like they know they don't have 

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that skill. 
That's why they're hiring you, 

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whether it's a veterinarian or a
dog trainer or a groomer or 

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somebody that they need to be 
able to trust that they 

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certainly have a lot of respect 
for and they it can. 

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I've just talked to so many 
people who like they even knew 

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there was one that just came to 
mind when they, they were 

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telling me that they paid for 
and went to this dog training 

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class in a park and they didn't 
know until they got there that 

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the trainer was requiring them 
to put prom collars on their 

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dogs to train. 
And they were like, they hated 

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it. 
They were so reluctant. 

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They really did not want to do 
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But they were like, he's the 
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I already paid for this class, 
you know, and they did it. 

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And then they felt so much 
regret afterwards. 

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And I mean, I don't, I don't 
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And I also don't blame them for 
the experience. 

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I hopefully they learned a lot 
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for their dog, but for 
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And, you know, finding that 
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Nope, this isn't for me. 
This is not how I want to train 

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my dog. 
This isn't, you know, this 

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doesn't resonate with how we're 
raising our dog. 

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So I, I think it would be kind 
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about how you got started in the
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you to dog training in the first
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Yeah, it's actually pretty wild.
I'm the last person on earth you

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would expect to be a dog trainer
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You know, I grew up in Sao 
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My dad wasn't particularly fond 
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So we never had a dog or a 
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So growing up, you know, I 
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caterpillars and rolling 
pulleys, and then those were 

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kind of my little furry friends.
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benefit of that is once I did 
step into dog training, I had to

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learn everything from scratch. 
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who's grown up and like, I've 
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I know everything about dogs. 
It's like second nature to me. 

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I truly had to learn as tabla 
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So I had no pets growing up. 
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Always wanted a dog, was so 
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general scale. 
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pursued my career in advertising
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like 10 years. 
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advertising, that's like dog 
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A grind of an industry. 
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It's kind of nuts. 
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worked on was Purina, and I was 
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pets and the relationship that 
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and how it's different for each,
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segmented our audience. 
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So when I decided I was going to
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what am I going to do? 
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I was like, you know what, I've 
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Why don't I open a Docky 
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That's something that everybody 
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And I figured if I'm going to do
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about dog behavior. 
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training course. 
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of the of the course, you know, 
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with, with pets and their pet 
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And I fell in love. 
I said, Oh my gosh, I love this.

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I love working with humans. 
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love the collaboration between 
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Forget the brick and mortar of a
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This is it. 
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New York City working with pets 
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And it was interesting because 
going into it, I was always, you

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know, there's a lot of dog 
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relate to, you know, knowing 
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are really good with the pets, 
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pet parents. 
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of the holistic aspect of the 
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And so, you know, I was working 
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while I was like, you know, I'm 
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around. 
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of animal communication opened 
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getting more information hits 
just senses and instincts about 

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what was truly driving the pets 
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And from that realization that, 
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effects the pets energy and vice
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home has an influence over 
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dynamic, I created a road map 
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behaviors with different 
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experience in our lives. 
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of on leash reactivity, for 
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lunging at dogs on the street, I
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life, there seemed to be a lot 
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they weren't quite secure in 
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other. 
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realization that unless we look 
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context of what's going on in 
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can't create lasting change. 
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what I think is the next, you 
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is a mindful approach to pet 
training, understanding that our

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energy, our life, our 
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vice versa, Our energies, a 
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There's so much to unpack there,
so much to unpack. 

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I definitely want to talk about 
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evolution and dog training 
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it might even rekindle that 
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I've kind of lost the spark for 
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And I think one of the reasons 
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There is this idea that most 
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think animal centric occupation 
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animals, I love the animals, I 
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human in order to work with the 
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And I, I know for me, like, I 
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working with the humans. 
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really, really tough for me. 
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introverted, but I think so many
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introverts kind of go into 
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occupations. 
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wasn't there to train the dog. 
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interact with the dog in ways 
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they're actually looking for. 
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much because it's so much easier
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the dog, right? 
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to change their behavior to get 
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their dog is exhausting to me. 
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definitely lost the spark for 
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I will still do it occasionally,
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you're like, oh, I love working 
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of view because it's true, a lot
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know, we we might feel a lot 
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communicating and working with 
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But the same way that we started
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dog training has evolved, we 
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I feel, you know, we still have 
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see of old school dog training, 
which was dominant based, fear 

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based, force based, but we kind 
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interesting aspect of positive 
reinforcement training, which is

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more based on collaboration, 
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style and kind of more conducive
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of us are more comfortable with,
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and sensitive people and 
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And now we're bridging that gap 
into more mindful aspects of pet

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right into where we're, we 
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Our pets are picking up on our 
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So if we change ours, they'll 
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their perception of the world. 
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evolved. 
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has evolved too, right In the 
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me versus the dog, the dogs 
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animal. 
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our perception of our pets as 
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And especially as we get into 
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generations, it is very much 
that notion of my pets, my baby,

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my pets, my best friend. 
I'll do anything, I'll change 

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anything about myself if it 
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going to be more happy, more 
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And I think part of it also is 
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know, period of that kind of 
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we relied on our pets, a lot of 
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introspective. 
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in other relationships in our 
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how we eat naturally translates 
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So I feel that, you know, I came
into my own and dog training and

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this this notion of mindfulness 
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perfect moment where pet parents
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general was opening up to more 
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introspection, understanding 
energy and how it affects not 

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only our animal companions, our 
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Well, and that kind of opens up 
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Thank you. 
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like this little electric like 
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And I think she thinks it's a 
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My goodness, I love it. 
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It's all part of the problem. 
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podcast moving forward? 
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want to focus a little bit more 
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are doing everything we can to 
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improve and extend their health 
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of ourselves, we're not going to
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like that term self help because
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caught it up in it. 
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putting our energy of finding a 
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ourselves, but kind of splitting
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into caring for someone or 
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depression, is that if we solely
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depression comes in. 
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the downfall of the self help 
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too much on ourselves. 
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really great gateway to care for
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need to, but also have something
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also have to show up for and 
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ourselves. 
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there, but that's like the 
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I think our kids are extras of 
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they want in the moment, but 
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when they see we need it. 
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important for us as pet parents.
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giving, right? 
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little audience here saying, 
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Ladies, when we over give, we 
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depleting myself. 
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my own needs. 
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going on. 
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create barriers, not boundaries,
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I create that barrier around me 
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I can't say no. 
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a mile, that's it. 
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setting healthy boundaries. 
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that isolation. 
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especially through the exercise 
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separation anxiety and working 
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is rather than being in 
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of others, but also ourselves. 
We can give a healthy amount. 

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We can give sometimes, but not 
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We can set those parameters of, 
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the hours of nine and 11:00, but
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gym. 
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importance of boundaries, of 
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sort of like, you know, I can 
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that is too much. 
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where they have to be alone and 
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us and us having to stay strong 
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dress rehearsal for us to do it 
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relationships in our lives. 
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training them, through working 
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the perfect dress rehearsals to 
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boundaries, to find our voice in
leadership, to be really real 

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about in our life and our 
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friendships. 
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dodging those lessons, our 
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in in their behavior and not let
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a problem, a pretty big problem 
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And I know a lot of people 
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and it's very misunderstood. 
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about it, I was like explaining 
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do with our dog and he's like, 
no, no, it seemed so 

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counterintuitive. 
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dog with separation anxiety or 
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the biggest tips you have for 
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are on the fence about? 
Do they need to hire a trainer 

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or do they not need to hire a 
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can do with their dog themselves
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You know, people looking up 
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mean, I'm guilty. 
That's how I learn a lot of 

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things. 
It's a rude person, right? 

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the most interesting behaviors 
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hardest for pet parents to 
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It requires a lot of patience, a
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mental fortitude because it is 
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little steps forward, but then 
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I was working in New York City 
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a dog trainer as well. 
There was one month where, you 

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know, it was all about on leash 
reactivity. 

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You know all the clients were 
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reactivity. 
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month I had like 5 new clients 
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separation anxiety. 
I was like, what is going on? 

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those dogs were named Leo. 
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I was between sessions. 
There was this little, like, 

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spiritual, you know, bookshop 
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warm and inviting. 
I'm like, all right, I'm going 

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to dodge in here, wait for the 
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And for my next session. 
As I walked into that bookstore,

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I swear to you, this woman, I've
never seen her before, never saw

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her after. 
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She was so tall, long black hair
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She just needs us. 
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took it and I kind of read how 
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really quickly, like the 
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And I was like, I wonder what 
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So I pulled the numerology of 
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energy of five and five in 
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adventure. 
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was like, oh, that's so 
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So the Leos that I'm working on 
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not having separation anxiety 
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They have fear of missing out on
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clients versus with other pets, 
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sense of insecurity and issues 
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different with the those Leo's. 
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training variety and treats, 
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adventures and letting them 
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be back and we'll do something 
really fun. 

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I promise. 
I'm just going to work. 

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You're not missing out on 
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So you know, I, I would say to 
pet parents, truly understanding

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your pet, your pets motivations 
and dispositions and tendencies 

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is going to be critical in 
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separation anxiety included, 
because when we understand 

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what's at the root of the 
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understand how to shift it. 
That is true in so many areas. 

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And yeah, I do see these, like, 
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training clients, with the pet 
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I will get like five in a row, 
like you were saying, like five 

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in a row of, you know, my dog is
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And then I'll get like a handful
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And I'm like, what? 
What's going on? 

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What is the universe doing to me
right now? 

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We get our little mini 
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We're like, OK, now I'm doing a 
deep dive and specialization on 

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this thing. 
Yes yes, so OK, you brought up 

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the numerology and one thing I 
I'm so fascinated with animal 

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communication with, I have not 
dug my feet in at all to 

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numerology. 
I like astrology, I like you 

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know it's it's also fascinating 
to me and I have actually spoken

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with quite a few animal 
communicators this year, some 

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intentionally, some 
unintentionally. 

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It's like, again, the universe 
is telling me something, and I 

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haven't said this out loud to 
anybody yet. 

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I was talking to one of my cats 
a few days ago and like, for 

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whatever reason, it had never 
happened to me before. 

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I was just talking to him. 
And it was like I actually heard

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a response in my head. 
And I was like, wait, at the 

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time I was just like carrying on
a conversation. 

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And then I got up and I was 
like, wait, what just happened? 

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That so much and that's so, so 
representational of so many pet 

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parents, right? 
Pet parents are incredibly 

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attuned to their animal 
companions and nature and 

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animals in general. 
And So what I tell my pet 

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parents is, you know, a lot of 
times we expect communication to

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look a certain way, but some of 
us just empathically feel some 

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of us here, like you do with the
clear audience. 

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Some of us know, some of us see 
movie things. 

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And it's interesting because 
also the sort of information we 

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get is different with everyone. 
And you, you might have, you 

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know, had these kind of 
conversations with the other 

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animal communicators. 
I went into this thinking that 

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animal communication was going 
to be like Doctor Dolittle. 

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It was going to be like that, 
you know, like just talking to 

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your best friend next to you. 
But for me, animal communication

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turned out to be very different,
both in the messaging and in how

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I received the messages. 
The best way that I can explain 

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how animals communicate with me 
is the first time that I watched

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ET where Elliot was feeling what
was going on with ETI was like, 

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yeah, I do that. 
So everyone does that. 

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OK, cool. 
Because I could just feel the 

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energy of animals. 
It wasn't through words. 

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It wasn't through anything. 
But just experience it, 

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experiencing it as it, it was my
own experience. 

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And then the second movie, 
because I'm crazy about TV and 

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movies and pop culture that I 
think for me and my experience 

448
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,640
really exemplified how animal 
communication works for me, is 

449
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
that movie with, I think her 
name is Amy Adams. 

450
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,480
The Arrival where the way that 
they showed how she got the 

451
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080
messages through pieces, 
flashes, experiences, and she 

452
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,480
just knew how to weave it 
together into a message that to 

453
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800
me really spoke to how I 
received messages. 

454
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,520
And a lot of times, because I 
love pop culture, the animals 

455
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,600
will drop in scenes from a 
movie, you know, like a scene 

456
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,760
from Goodwill hunting. 
I'll be like, OK, we're dealing 

457
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,160
around someone feeling like this
was their fault. 

458
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Got it. 
We're going to move past that. 

459
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,080
So, and then as far as messaging
goes, there's a lot of animal 

460
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,440
communicators who get 
information like, I like this 

461
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
toy, you know, I like this food.
Or maybe they get a lot of 

462
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,600
intuitive information around 
physically what's going on in 

463
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240
their bodies. 
Interestingly, for me, what 

464
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,000
comes through most strongly is 
what's going on in the human's 

465
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520
life through the lens of the 
pet. 

466
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,520
So, you know, I, all of us 
receive informations and 

467
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,400
different information in 
different ways. 

468
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
The messages and information 
comes through. 

469
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Some people it's really linear. 
Other people it's just messaging

470
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
that you tend to kind of combine
together and know what they're 

471
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
saying. 
And some do get direct 

472
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080
communication of like chats with
the pets. 

473
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Others get a lot of more 
esoteric information. 

474
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800
So what I always remind my pet 
parents who are like, I really 

475
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,320
want to do animal communication 
is, one, odds are they're 

476
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,080
already doing it and they're 
just not realizing it. 

477
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,480
And two, having no expectation 
about what kinds of messages are

478
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,640
coming in or how it looks. 
Because at the end of the day, 

479
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,880
we're all telepathically, 
intuitively enacted. 

480
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,960
And our animal companions just, 
you know, sometimes it's helpful

481
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
to have that nudge to remember 
you're doing it already. 

482
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Just trust those messages. 
Yeah, well, I'm glad you said 

483
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,440
that because that's actually one
of the things that I always like

484
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,400
to ask the animal communicators 
I talked to on on the podcast is

485
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,720
like how you get those messages 
because it's always different. 

486
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,720
And I like highlighting that 
because I didn't know that at 

487
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,160
first, right? 
Like I didn't know there were so

488
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400
many different ways. 
And I've, I've even had animal 

489
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280
communicators say like they'll 
feel a pain somewhere on their 

490
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,160
body if that animal is feeling a
pain in that place on their body

491
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,800
or like a melancholy feeling, 
or, you know, just that they 

492
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,760
don't always get the same kind 
of information. 

493
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,320
So I actually find it could be 
beneficial to talk to many 

494
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760
different animal communicators, 
even about the same pet, about 

495
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480
the same situation, because 
they're going to get different 

496
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,680
things in different ways. 
What's what's, what's very 

497
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,280
interesting is that I personally
think that we can also get 

498
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,800
different things in different 
ways from different animals 

499
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,440
because they have their own 
energy. 

500
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,080
They have their own. 
I don't know how many times that

501
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640
soul has been on Earth, you 
know, like there's just so many 

502
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,720
different things that could be 
going on. 

503
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,840
So keeping yourself open to the 
idea of it's just that change in

504
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,680
your energy or yeah, like maybe 
you did hear something in in 

505
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,120
your head and you're like 
thinking you're going crazy. 

506
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,720
But no, you never know. 
Kind of like reminding people 

507
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
also that as you evolve as a 
communicator, the ways you 

508
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,040
receive information, you know, 
the sorts of information you get

509
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,800
evolves as well. 
But one way that I'd like to 

510
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,960
say, well, like if you're trying
to figure out like, how do I get

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880
information? 
How do I receive information? 

512
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
I always say thanks to what you 
had at lunch. 

513
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840
What did you have for lunch and 
give you a second and then did 

514
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,440
you think about it? 
Did you see it? 

515
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Did you taste it? 
Did you hear it? 

516
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Did you, you know, like how did 
that come through or how do you 

517
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,520
remember birthdays or phone 
numbers? 

518
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520
Do you hear it in your head? 
Do you see it written down on 

519
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
paper? 
Those are always interesting 

520
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
ways to kind of get a sense of 
how you are most prone to 

521
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,440
communicate. 
And then leveraging the tools 

522
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,080
out there, animal Oracle cards. 
I'm learning about symbolism of 

523
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,040
different animals because 
through that we create a really 

524
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,320
beautiful and rich lexicon with 
the universe to drop in signs 

525
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
and messaging for us. 
You know, we tend to think this 

526
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,680
is something new or special or 
unique, but if we look back to 

527
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,160
all of like the first peoples 
and native cultures, they all 

528
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
were so tied to animals and the 
messages and animals. 

529
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
So if we have a jumping off 
point, you can then tailor and 

530
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520
personalize it. 
But it's always helpful to have 

531
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,480
the beginning lexicon. 
I want to jump into the 

532
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,080
numerology because I'm so 
fascinated by it and have never 

533
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,520
spoken to anybody about it 
before. 

534
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,120
But before we do that, I'm 
curious for both the dog 

535
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,400
training and the the animal 
communication. 

536
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
And it could be one that 
included both or it could be 

537
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
different instances. 
But what were some of the like 

538
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,320
crazier, like, wow, how did I 
get, how did how did we get 

539
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,560
here? 
How did we get through this? 

540
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Like things that you've been 
through? 

541
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Yeah. 
So with numerology, it's 

542
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,240
interesting. 
I use it more as a jumping 

543
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,680
point. 
So for me, whenever I'm going 

544
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440
into dog training session or I'm
going into an animal 

545
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
communication session, I use 
tech numerology. 

546
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520
I've pulled the numerology of 
the human's name and the pet's 

547
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,800
name because then I'm able to 
see, you know, what are the 

548
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
motivations and tendencies in 
the humans, What numbers are 

549
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,800
they missing? 
And are those missing numbers in

550
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680
the pet's name? 
Because if you're missing a 

551
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
number, it means it's a lesson, 
a karmic lesson that you're here

552
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
to learn. 
And if your pet has it, it means

553
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
they're helping you with that. 
And I will say about numerology,

554
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,320
I know enough to be dangerous. 
I'm not one of those people who 

555
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,240
follows the rules like crazy 
because to me, numerology is 

556
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,560
just another lexicon with the 
universe. 

557
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,320
So rather than adhering very 
dogmatically to, you know, the 

558
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,160
numbers, the formula of 
numerology, what interests me 

559
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920
more is the patterns within the 
name. 

560
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
So in numerology of people 
aren't, you know, totally 

561
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,800
familiar with it, we have the 
letters of the alphabet, one 

562
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,320
through, you know, A through Z, 
and each letter is assigned a 

563
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:45,120
number one through 9. 
So you know, A is 1B is 2C is 3.

564
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,400
And when we get to the 12th 
number of the alphabet, 1 + 2 = 

565
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,640
3, we're always going to kind of
level it down to one through 9. 

566
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,280
So when I see numbers like nine 
and five side by side in a 

567
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,720
human's name or a pet's name or 
even both, to me that turns into

568
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000
a big healer number. 
They're big healers. 

569
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000
They can ship vibrations. 
They're often processing the 

570
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,880
energy for the family or their 
pack. 

571
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,000
So I know that their role there 
is to act as a healer to help 

572
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,160
kind of bring harmony and kind 
of pacify that 95 healers are 

573
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,080
able to put out that healing. 
If I see a 59 side by side, 

574
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000
that's an empathic healer. 
So 5 is all about bringing, you 

575
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,320
know, things through your body, 
experiencing the world through 

576
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,280
your senses. 
So that empathic healer acts 

577
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760
more like a Brita filter. 
So they have to bring whatever 

578
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,120
they're trying to like sort 
through the energy into their 

579
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,480
body and they put out higher 
vibrations. 

580
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,600
So if a human or a pet is a 59 
healer, odds are it might be 

581
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,640
tough on their body or pet has a
lot of accidents or, you know, 

582
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,960
they're filtering and 
eliminating at eliminating 

583
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,680
energy the only way they know 
how. 

584
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,720
If I see six and nine side by 
side, to me that 69 as it's 

585
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,720
written out looks like a yin and
Yang symbol. 

586
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200
So in pets or humans, I'm like, 
that's a very balanced energy. 

587
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,040
They're self-sustaining, they're
good. 

588
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,880
So for me, it's less about these
crazy revelations and more about

589
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,040
understanding the nuanced energy
that pet's name or a human's 

590
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
name brings to the table. 
And of course there's in 

591
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
numerology, there's something 
called master vibrations, and 

592
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,480
there's three numbers, it's 1122
and 33. 

593
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
And when we encounter those, 
they're not simplified down to a

594
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,480
single digit. 
Those just mean amplified 

595
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,360
version of the different things.
So 11 has a lot to do with 

596
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,400
psychic, intuitive, kind of 
connected into the energy being 

597
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,040
able to see beyond the veils. 
By the way, Kimberly A is 11 / 

598
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,280
2. 
So it, Kimberly starts off with 

599
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,640
that energy 22, that is AI, call
it the CEO number. 

600
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000
It is new foundations in love. 
There's stability, there's 

601
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,040
balance. 
They're able to hold that 

602
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,080
stability for those in their 
path. 3rd and three is the 

603
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,200
cosmic error. 
They're basically, I call them 

604
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,719
the little lunatics out there 
because they're very tied into 

605
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,120
planetary cycles, moon cycles. 
And for a lot of the pets who 

606
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,440
hold that 33 energy in their 
name, we see accidents 

607
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,639
happening, happening like 
clockwork on like new moons or 

608
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,560
full moons because they're 
really tied to cosmic activity. 

609
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,600
So to me, numerology has been 
such a fun tool to understand 

610
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,199
the best way to approach what's 
going on in the training, but 

611
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,080
also to understand the 
relationship and dynamic between

612
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
the demon and the. 
So when you're doing that with 

613
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,920
their name, are you using like a
given name or what they're 

614
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,360
called most often? 
Because like we mostly call Kim 

615
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,639
Kim, not Kimberly. 
Like her name is Kimberly. 

616
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
And we have all kinds of, and 
I'm sure most pet parents do 

617
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,120
too. 
You have all kinds of different 

618
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,880
like variations of the name that
you say all the time, but like 

619
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,320
more often than not, we just 
call her Kim. 

620
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960
I love that. 
So for me, you know, if if you 

621
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,040
were to adhere very strictly to 
me, morality is to be what's on 

622
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,960
your birth certificate. 
And you have to know the moment,

623
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,360
you know, I like forget that my 
philosophy on this is that 

624
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,920
whatever name you use the most 
is what is in the energy, what 

625
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600
you're projecting. 
So my name on my, you know, I 

626
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
have a middle name is Denise 
Digs much. 

627
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920
I never use that. 
I used to use much. 

628
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,200
So that's what I would use. 
So in Kimberly's case, for 

629
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:38,720
example, Kim vibrates at a 24 / 
6 and I love that energy because

630
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,840
6 is the nurturer caregiver 
number. 

631
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,240
It is all about, you know, when 
we see pets that vibrate at the 

632
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:48,400
energy of 6, their home and 
their pack is their life. 

633
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880
They don't really need to go out
and play with so many other 

634
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,520
dogs. 
For them, it's all about their 

635
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
family. 
And even if you look at that 

636
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,760
number six, it looks like a 
woman looking down at her 

637
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
pregnant belly. 
So it also has to do for the pet

638
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
parents. 
A lot of times it has to do with

639
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,160
looking back at parenting. 
Now you're the parent putting 

640
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,040
yourself in your parents shoes 
and then, you know, 

641
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
automatically seem like, wow, as
a parent, I do things very 

642
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,840
differently. 
I wish I'd been parented this 

643
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680
way or that way. 
So our animal companions kind of

644
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,600
give us this fresh look on how 
we were parented, what we want 

645
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,520
to replicate and what we would 
shift. 

646
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,080
And as we make those shifts for 
our animal companions, we're 

647
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120
also kind of re parenting 
ourselves in some ways. 

648
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,680
So Kim, with that energy of six,
it's just so sweet, so 

649
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,280
nurturing. 
It's all about harmony in the 

650
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200
home too. 
And six, when I look at the 

651
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,840
energy of six, a lot of times it
has to do with accidents. 

652
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
So she might be one that if 
we're not clearing the energy of

653
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,080
the home a lot, she might take 
it upon herself to eliminate the

654
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,120
only way she knows how, which is
through accidents. 6 is also the

655
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
number of the six chakra, right?
The third eye. 

656
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000
So she helps you open up to your
intuition, to your vision. 

657
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,000
So 6 pets are so sweet, so much 
here for us and they really help

658
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
us kind of with our perception 
about our parenting, our 

659
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,440
reality, our home life and 
vision for our life and and 

660
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,960
trusting our intuition. 
So much of that is on point for 

661
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:25,160
everyone so I assume. 
But I don't like to do that. 

662
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,840
So tell me with the book that 
you recently came out with on 

663
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,920
translating your pets behavior, 
you're combining all of these 

664
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,840
things together for the pet 
parent. 

665
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Tell me a little bit about the 
book. 

666
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,680
So on this book, it was really 
meant to bridge the gap between 

667
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,680
dog training and personal 
development. 

668
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,240
Because what I realized as I 
start opening up to this mindful

669
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,440
approach of, you know, pet 
parenting was, you know, there's

670
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,240
a lot of information on dog 
training and then there's a lot 

671
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,040
of information about the 
esoteric roles that our pets 

672
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
play in our lives and animal 
communication. 

673
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
But no one was really bridging 
the gap and bringing the two 

674
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480
together. 
So this book is premised on the 

675
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,760
notion that our pets are one of 
the most honest relationships in

676
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040
our lives. 
And as such, our energies are 

677
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,320
meshed and through their 
behavior, because we're so 

678
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,040
enmeshed, their behavior 
reflects our mindsets, 

679
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,520
attitudes, habits, not only with
them, but more broadly in our 

680
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,720
lives and our relationships with
our family, our friends, our 

681
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,600
career. 
So in this book I've translated 

682
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,600
exactly what your pets behavior 
is saying about themes in your 

683
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,720
life that you have to look at. 
So you know, when we understand 

684
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,040
that our actions and our beliefs
affect our pets, if we're trying

685
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,440
to ship their behavior, it only 
makes sense to ship ours as 

686
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440
well. 
So this gives you a starting 

687
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
point because people might say, 
yeah, I get that my pet picks up

688
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640
on the behavior. 
I get that they reflect it, but 

689
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,360
what are they saying? 
Right? 

690
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,360
And so this, this book, it 
doesn't necessarily teach you 

691
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,040
about numerology and teach you 
about animal communication, but 

692
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
it tells you, it helps you 
translate what your pet is 

693
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,960
saying so that you can open up 
to your own intuitive abilities 

694
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,280
as well. 
So with on leash reactivity, you

695
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,800
know, there's practical training
tips, but it also speaks to the 

696
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,480
first chakra of our, you know, 
our energy centers and the cool 

697
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,720
thing about our chakras that 
people know about our 7 main 

698
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120
chakras, there are energy 
centers and they're tied to 

699
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,760
different parts of our body, but
also different emotional themes 

700
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,760
that that we all experienced in 
our lives like safety and 

701
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,400
security, stability, boundaries,
fear of loss, you know, 

702
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920
intimacy, relationships to 
passion, all these things. 

703
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Our seven major chakras line up 
to our pets, seven major 

704
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,760
chakras. 
So it actually provides a 

705
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,520
perfect energetic mirror of what
our pets are doing. 

706
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,160
So I've mapped out what specific
behaviors like on leash 

707
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,480
reactivity, separation anxiety, 
unwanted behaviors like barking,

708
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,000
nipping, chewing, jumping, house
breaking, accidents, need for 

709
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,680
leadership, and even the moments
of crisis with our pets like 

710
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,960
loss or transition or if they're
sick, what those mean to us 

711
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,320
energetically. 
So the invitation becomes if 

712
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,280
your dog has on leash 
reactivity. 

713
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Let's look at other areas in 
your life where you might be 

714
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,600
feeling insecure or unstable, or
where do you lash out when you 

715
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,880
feel insecure? 
If we're looking at separation 

716
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,880
anxiety with our the invitation 
to you as the parent is to look 

717
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,200
at where are you not creating 
loving boundaries? 

718
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,840
Where are you over giving? 
Where are you creating barriers 

719
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,960
versus boundaries and where do 
you feel that you have to over 

720
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480
give and you're not worthy, your
needs aren't worthy? 

721
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480
When we're looking at managing 
unwanted behaviors, where are we

722
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,000
not stepping into our power? 
Where are we not, you know, 

723
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,680
trusting our creative spark? 
Where are we not engaging in 

724
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,240
projects because we're worried 
about how they're going to be 

725
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,440
received out in the world? 
Where are we procrastinating? 

726
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Where are we not stepping into 
our mastery? 

727
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,040
And so on. 
So it kind of goes on from 

728
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,120
there. 
So this book truly is you know I

729
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,960
I know self help can be a loaded
word, but I like to think of 

730
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,360
this philosophy as self help for
my sake. 

731
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,240
Because through our pets 
behavior we see ourselves 

732
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,280
through different lights and 
when we create change for us it 

733
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,880
changes their behavior and their
energy as well. 

734
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840
One of the reasons why this is 
so interesting to me is because 

735
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,960
I have actually been trying to 
figure this exact same thing out

736
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,920
with my dog lately. 
In the past, not quite a year, I

737
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,680
knew all of the practical things
to do because she started acting

738
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,720
like there are areas of the 
floor that she's scared to walk 

739
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,000
on and she will actually like, 
it's kind of crazy what she 

740
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,040
does. 
She she almost like, almost 

741
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,280
intentionally like her feet are 
sliding out from under her, like

742
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
she's fine. 
And then all of a sudden she's 

743
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,640
like that and we have hard 
floors with like rugs all 

744
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
around. 
So she's like running from one 

745
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,800
rug to get to the next rug kind 
of thing. 

746
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680
And so I knew all the practical 
things to do, right, keeping her

747
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,360
nails trimmed, keeping the fur 
around her paw pads trimmed and 

748
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,960
even trying other things like 
the booties. 

749
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,400
And there's so much rewarding 
her and encouraging her and like

750
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,640
doing all the practical things. 
And yet there are still, it's 

751
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,360
not everywhere and it's not all 
the time. 

752
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,920
It's like certain areas. 
So then my mind is like, OK, 

753
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,000
energetically what is going on? 
And so that's something that I 

754
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,280
have been trying to figure out 
for a long time. 

755
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,920
And that's such a real world 
example, right? 

756
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,880
And you said a few things that 
are so key there as we move into

757
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
a mindful approach to pet 
guardianship, as we look at the 

758
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,440
energy with our pets, it doesn't
mean that we're walking away 

759
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,280
from the practical, right? 
That's why I'm so passionate 

760
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,320
about this book because it gives
you training tools. 

761
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320
It talks about the mental, you 
know, like gives you kind of 

762
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
mindsets that you want to look 
at and change. 

763
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,760
And then it talks about the 
energetic connection of their 

764
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,680
behavior and what you might be 
experiencing in your life. 

765
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,200
So, you know, as we move forward
with dog training, it's always 

766
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,640
about mind body energy, right? 
So making sure that physically 

767
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,960
they're OK, they have the 
training in place, mentally, 

768
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,720
they're getting the stimulation 
they need, they understand 

769
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,200
what's expected of them, then we
can look at the energy. 

770
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,360
So in your case, what I would 
invite you to kind of start 

771
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,640
considering is, you know, as him
is, you know, running and kind 

772
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,240
of slipping. 
That's such a beautiful example 

773
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,000
of that metaphor of the ground, 
the rug being pulled out from 

774
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,080
underneath us, right? 
Where do we feel like we were 

775
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,240
running along in life? 
And then all of a sudden how out

776
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,760
of nowhere we lost our footing, 
we lost our grounding. 

777
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
The floor was pulled out from 
underneath us. 

778
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,640
And so the invitation there 
would be, you know what think 

779
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,480
that when we talk about this 
thing, what comes to mind and 

780
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,680
how, you know, what kind of 
belief came from that? 

781
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,720
What behavior and habits were 
shaped from that? 

782
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,920
Did that happen anywhere else in
your life earlier in childhood, 

783
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,280
anywhere else? 
And how can we change our 

784
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,280
mindset around that to have a 
more empowering 1? 

785
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,040
You know, one example that I 
always use to kind of walk 

786
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,560
through the steps that I 
recommend in this book is the 

787
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,200
5th chakra. 
You know, my voice. 

788
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,760
That's always been a thing for 
me. 

789
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,240
Not only do I have thyroid 
issues, but I also feel like, 

790
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,000
you know, using my voice. 
Maybe, you know, I'm not always 

791
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,080
heard or received the way that 
I'd like. 

792
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,000
And I remember back to, you 
know, the corporate world. 

793
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,480
And so, you know, if you think 
of your dog barking, for 

794
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,560
example, right, you want to ask 
yourself, where do you feel that

795
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,080
in your body? 
When you think of your dog 

796
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,360
barking, where does it kind of 
restrict in your body? 

797
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200
And for me, it was always right 
in the throat. 

798
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,160
I feel that construction right 
there. 

799
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,000
And so once you've identified 
that, you want to say, OK, where

800
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640
else in your life did you feel 
that construction? 

801
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
And so it might have been in a 
meeting, an appropriate setting 

802
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,880
where, you know, you said an 
idea and then someone next to 

803
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,640
you said the exact same thing. 
And everyone's like. 

804
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,440
Bravo. 
Absolutely. 

805
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,840
And you're like, I just said 
that. 

806
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
That's so bizarre. 
So then the question would be, 

807
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,240
what mindset was formed from 
that? 

808
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,840
And it might be that my voice 
doesn't matter that I'm never 

809
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
heard. 
And then you say, OK, where else

810
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920
did I feel that I was never 
heard? 

811
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,320
And it might go back to 
childhood. 

812
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,480
It might harken back to, you 
know, people not making space or

813
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,160
time to really hear your 
thoughts on a topic or how 

814
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,760
you're feeling. 
It was always kind of brushed 

815
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,680
under the breath. 
And so in those moments, the 

816
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,720
invitation would be, what's a 
more powering mindset that you 

817
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,160
adopt? 
What mantra can we speak into 

818
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,080
reality when we start feeling 
that constriction or the chakra?

819
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
And it might be that my voice is
powerful and authentic and 

820
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
received by those ready to hear 
it, right? 

821
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,680
So next time my dog starts 
barking, that's what I'm going 

822
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
to repeat. 
And if I'm working on my 5th 

823
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,120
chakra, my voice, I would 
actually repeat it out loud 

824
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
because I think it's really 
important for us to hear our 

825
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,160
voice and hear ourselves. 
See. 

826
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,880
And what you'll notice through 
that is you end up changing the 

827
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
story, changing the outcomes, 
changing your perception, 

828
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,680
whether it's with your dog, 
whether it's in the boardroom. 

829
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,440
And as you learn to trust your 
voice and use it more 

830
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,920
authentically, odds are your 
dogs barking alongside with 

831
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,400
training of course, will you 
know dissipate and you guys work

832
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,960
through that issue together. 
Yeah, I think so many women 

833
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,640
especially are definitely 
feeling that, that throat chakra

834
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,960
right now. 
I that's I'm actually, I've been

835
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,120
working on it. 
I wear blue a lot around my neck

836
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,760
to remind me to like feel like 
Yep you can say what you need to

837
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,920
say. 
And the interesting thing is the

838
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,400
first course that I developed 
under the the banner of pet 

839
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,160
Prana when I started, you know, 
working with pet parents and, 

840
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,280
and kind of creating this 
philosophy is it was called 

841
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,640
healing with chakras. 
And it does, it goes through 

842
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,040
each behavior. 
And in that course, it does talk

843
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,960
about not only the energy of 
each chakra and the themes of 

844
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,360
each chakra, but we talked about
the archetypes of each chakra 

845
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,160
going from, you know, for the 
5th chakra, it's about going 

846
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
from the silent child to the 
communicator. 

847
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,920
And we talked about the sacred 
geometry attached to the fifth 

848
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000
chakra, you know, the different 
shapes that can add more power, 

849
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,880
more symbolism. 
We talked about which crystals 

850
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160
help amplify the energy of the 
5th chakra. 

851
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
We talked about the numerology. 
And then we go into the training

852
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,440
and the energetic and the 
mindsets because that true. 

853
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,400
I think in order to address our 
energy, their energy, it's so 

854
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,520
helpful to have all this 
energetic layering. 

855
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,320
They all can be points of 
reference that help us identify 

856
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,240
those patterns in other ways and
other contexts in our lives. 

857
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,960
I'm also a huge fan of using 
crystals when we're doing 

858
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,680
genuine. 
So your dog has a lot of, you 

859
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,280
know, behaviors that are on 
barking, you know, a pet pendant

860
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480
with, you know, a blue crystal 
or even, you know, putting one 

861
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,080
in the space can be really 
powerful to help just amplify, 

862
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440
set those intentions and, you 
know, assist us along the way. 

863
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,800
I love that so much. 
So can you tell me a little bit 

864
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,600
more about what's available at 
petprana.com? 

865
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,040
So if you're in the Los Angeles 
area, you can always, you know 

866
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,880
what I want training with me. 
If you are not in the Los 

867
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,360
Angeles area, Ioffer remote 
training sessions as well. 

868
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,360
You know, post pandemic, 
everybody's familiar with Zoom. 

869
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,280
And I was doing it even before 
then to kind of work with my 

870
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,440
clients in New York when I moved
to LA. 

871
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,240
There's on demand online classes
for each of the pet behaviors, 

872
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,760
which tackles those pet 
behaviors with traditional 

873
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,920
training, but also outlining the
energetic considerations and 

874
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,440
activities to do with your pets.
And in those downloadable 

875
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,040
courses, there's how to videos, 
there's PBS, there's meditation.

876
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
So it's really kind of 
all-encompassing to however you 

877
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,400
learn. 
And then there's a lot of online

878
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,440
courses that through animal 
communication, I learned, you 

879
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,760
know, it's just the relationship
with pets and how they influence

880
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
and how they help us expand 
really blossoms. 

881
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,240
So there's a course on 
numerology so you can learn to 

882
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,360
do numerology with your pets. 
There's a course on opening your

883
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,880
intuition through pets, finding 
balance with your pets, and 

884
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Labyrinth Healing the Chakras is
on there as well, which is super

885
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,440
comprehensive. 
So there's a little bit of 

886
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,440
everything on that website. 
But if you're interested in this

887
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
more mindful approach to pet 
guardianship and you're part of 

888
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,000
this new vanguard of pet 
parents, you know, I think it's 

889
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,200
a fun place to sniff around and 
just check out and see what's 

890
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,120
available. 
And where can people find your? 

891
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,960
So my books available on Amazon 
and it's translating your pets 

892
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:04,080
behavior or you can search 
Denise Monge, but it's on there.

893
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,720
Yeah. 
I love that and thank you so 

894
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:11,960
much for taking the time to come
on and talk, to talk to us. 

895
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,440
Always very enlightening. 
I think I say this all the time.

896
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,280
I think I learn just as much, if
not more as whoever is listening

897
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,640
to every episode. 
I'm definitely I'm going to read

898
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,840
this book because now that 
you've described it a little bit

899
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,400
better, I'm like, I wonder if 
this could actually like 

900
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,640
reignite that spark I have for 
working with, you know, dog 

901
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,480
training parents again, because 
it it's, it's definitely 

902
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,880
something that has never left my
mind, but has just felt so 

903
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,720
heavy, if that makes any sense. 
And I'm like, I just don't want 

904
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:57,560
the heaviness. 
I want it to feel light in it 

905
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,600
because I think going in, like 
if I bring that heaviness in, 

906
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,440
I'm not being effective and I 
don't, I don't want to do that. 

907
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,880
I don't want to people to like 
not, not get out of it what they

908
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800
expect to get out of it. 
And so like I want, I want that 

909
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,560
joyful airiness back. 
And I felt that there was a 

910
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,360
moment that I tried to leave dog
training for that very reason. 

911
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040
I was like, this just feels kind
of boring. 

912
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,600
We're bossing around dogs and I 
think I even sent out a couple 

913
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,640
resumes to get back into 
advertising. 

914
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,920
And I think at that moment the 
universe was like, oh, no, no, 

915
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,040
no, no. 
We got we got a real her back 

916
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,160
in. 
And that's when this all opened 

917
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
up. 
And now I can't imagine myself 

918
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,120
doing anything else. 
Like this is what I wake up and 

919
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,240
brings me so much joy. 
So I totally relate with 

920
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,120
sometimes when you're not, you 
know, certain things feel heavy,

921
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,680
but when you get a new 
perspective, now you're 

922
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,600
reinvigorated. 
And I'm just so grateful for you

923
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,320
for holding this platform for us
to have these conversations. 

924
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Because when we can connect with
a pack of like hearted parents, 

925
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,440
you know, this is where not only
do we create change and 

926
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,640
transformation for ourselves, 
but we're kind of raising the 

927
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,520
vibrations of how people 
perceive and, you know, the 

928
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,280
possibilities and what they 
bring to our lives. 

929
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,960
So thank you for, you know, 
creating this beautiful space 

930
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,200
for us to share and celebrate 
our furry friends. 

931
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,440
You're so sweet. 
Thank you so much. 

932
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,920
I love it. 
So it's an easy thing for me to 

933
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,360
do. 
So guys, please do go check out 

934
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,880
Pet prana.com and look up 
Denise's book on Amazon. 

935
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,080
It's called Translating your 
pets behavior. 

936
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,840
Learn what their behavior says 
about you to train smarter, not 

937
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040
harder. 
I love that all of those 

938
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,440
marketing buzzwords love it so 
much, but it's so true, so very 

939
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,720
true. 
So thank you again, Denise, for 

940
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,240
everything that you do for our 
pets and pet parents. 

941
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Thank you.