1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:04,080 Hello everybody on Facebook, YouTube and Instagram. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,640 Welcome to the Weekly Pet Roundup. 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,600 This week we're talking about greenwashing and I think we have 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,160 a lot to say. What do you think? 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,880 My goodness, it's a big topic because it, I mean, I think it's 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:25,320 intentionally vague and people, people like it big in big 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,400 companies. They want it to stay 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,800 intentionally vague so that they can kind of get away with all 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,880 these marketing tactics that are being used. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:39,440 And the reality is that pet parents are actively seeking 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,600 like more and more every day, week, month. 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Hey, Diane, they're actively seeking out healthier products 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,040 for their pets. But a lot of them don't know 14 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:53,720 like what they're actually looking for. 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:59,040 So it can be really easy to be persuaded by marketing on a 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,560 package when you're not getting what you think you're getting. 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:10,960 So yes, green washing is the deceptive marketing practice 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,800 where brands use misleading claims, vague language or 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,680 imagery to make their products appear more environmentally 20 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,640 friendly, natural or healthier than they actually are. 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,840 So in the pet industry specifically, this can include 22 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,320 false claims about pet food supplements, grooming products 23 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:35,280 and pet accessories, giving pet parents a false sense of 24 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,760 security about what they are purchasing. 25 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,520 And we buy so much. I mean, it's a multibillion 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,000 dollar a year industry just in the US. 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,240 So we spend so much money on our pets. 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,640 It would be so nice if if we were able to spend it more 29 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,800 effectively and targeted and in products that are actually 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,360 meeting the criteria for what we think we're buying. 31 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Yes, and go ahead. Yeah, No, there's a lot of, I 32 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,280 mean, at the end of the day, it's all marketing, right? 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,120 Like it's all marketing. And if we're not educated 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,120 enough, which most of us are not even those who are really 35 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,000 educated, you'll find somebody who's more educated, who can 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,360 educate you and you'll be like what? 37 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,880 You know. So I have a friend in Chicago 38 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,240 that will talk about her. And I always thought she's like 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,800 such an eco friendly person, so educated. 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,360 And then I saw her at Super Zoo last year, and she was telling 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,000 me about a mutual friend who, like, makes her look like, she's 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,640 like, you know, completely irresponsible. 43 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,560 And like. Careless because everybody has a 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,760 different level of yeah you know Millie's raw life says it's so 45 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,840 important to do research and read the back of the bags. 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,240 But that's what's the problem with greenwashing is your first 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,360 statement's so true you have to do your own research but the 48 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,360 back of the bag if you don't know what to look for can still 49 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,480 be really deceptive because all of it is marketing and it's 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,720 using words like natural or clean, even cruelty free. 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,240 I was cruelty free for a very, very long time. 52 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,840 And sometimes cruelty free means cruelty free in the US, but they 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,480 allow third party, you know, animal testing in Asia. 54 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,000 And so you think you're supporting a brand that is in 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,680 line with your value system. And it says on the packaging 56 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,960 that they're cruelty free. But reality is they pay a third 57 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,840 party to do it, to do the the animal testing. 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,160 So you're not really aligned with that company. 59 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:41,720 So it's so important for us as consumers to know exactly like 60 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,600 Rob High Adventures, Kara says. We they can still trick us. 61 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,160 And that's really what greenwashing is. 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,200 It's a trick. It is a trick. 63 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,840 It is intentional. It is not by mistake. 64 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,040 As a marketing professional myself, it's copy, yeah. 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,960 It's what people do to persuade you to purchase something. 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,120 And they know that if it says that it's environmentally 67 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:09,000 friendly, you might buy more of it or you buy might choose that 68 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,960 over another product. And then when you look closer, I 69 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,200 was actually just, and this is not just in the pet industry. 70 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,240 This is in human consumer products as well. 71 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,120 I was just reading yesterday on my timeline about like you know 72 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:27,280 the dry laundry sheets right that are supposed to be more eco 73 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,280 friendly? There's no plastic, there's no 74 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,360 pack plastic packaging Bah Bah Bah. 75 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,600 But in order to make them it takes more resources. 76 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Just like plastic bags get all the hate, paper bags get no 77 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,400 hate, and tons of water goes into making paper bags. 78 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,880 So really, when you're choosing at the grocery store between 79 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,840 paper or plastic, really you should be just opting for your 80 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:55,080 reusable bag that you bring yourself because neither the 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,200 plastic bag nor the paper bag are really environmentally 82 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,360 friendly. It depends on, you know, where 83 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,120 you're worried about it. Is it you're worried about the 84 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,280 landfill or are you worried about the way that product was 85 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,840 created? Because sometimes it's equal, 86 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 equally bad, right? So yeah, it's one of those 87 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,600 things where we think we know something and then hopefully 88 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,600 we're having these conversations and we are learning from each 89 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,920 other, you know, and being like, oh, you know what I heard is 90 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,360 this or I heard that. And then we are less likely to 91 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,520 be deceived if we are keeping these conversations going within 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,560 our own groups and our own homes and obviously reading, packaging 93 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,760 and following businesses like maybe you are really into a 94 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,560 business. They are very eco friendly. 95 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,440 They are more not. They're using natural, they're 96 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,840 using higher quality and healthier things, but they get 97 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:48,640 sold. Yeah, name's still the same, but 98 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,760 it's not the same stuff you initially bought. 99 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,680 So there's a lot to this. So I'll turn it back over to 100 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,040 Jess because she's going to organize our thoughts here. 101 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,400 But Jess? Where do you want? 102 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,080 To kick off I. I want to. 103 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,840 I don't want to forget later, so I'm going to tell you in case I 104 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,160 forget to remind me. At the end, I want to circle 105 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,240 back around to what you just said about what are you paying 106 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,520 attention to? Are you paying attention to how 107 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,760 this product is made? Are you paying attention to what 108 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,760 happens after you buy or consume the product? 109 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:23,640 And we need to be paying attention to both. 110 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,360 And I think there's a very important discussion that some 111 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,600 people may not like, but I had, I learned it the hard way and I 112 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,960 want to share that, but I don't want to get off topic too much. 113 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,600 So I want to talk about that later on. 114 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,600 OK. So yes. 115 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,320 The life cycle of products. OK, I'll write it down so we 116 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,520 don't forget. So what I did was I started, and 117 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,520 this is by no means a complete list, but I think it's plenty 118 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,880 for us to talk about. There are a lot of terms that 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:04,880 are being used that I consider green washing that either are 120 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,200 not at all regulated or they're very loosely regulated and I 121 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,240 want to talk about that regulation. 122 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,280 So the very first term when it comes to the, and these are all 123 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,280 pet industry specific is natural. 124 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,400 So this is a very loosely regulated term. 125 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,880 AFCO, which we've talked about many times on this show, the 126 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,200 Association of American Feed Control Officials, they do 127 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:35,120 define natural in their big book of definitions that by the way, 128 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,400 you have to pay for if you want to know the definitions of 129 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,240 anything. But they allow for synthetic 130 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,360 vitamins and minerals and still be able to call it natural. 131 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,920 So to me that doesn't that, that just doesn't sit right, but 132 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,760 that's what they allow. They will allow synthetic 133 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,240 vitamins and minerals and you can still put natural in the 134 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,960 packaging. At the end of the day, even that 135 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,720 is not enforced. So that's the very first ones 136 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,840 that that always stands out to me. 137 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,400 And it, it is a term that I'm just like that means I see it 138 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,240 means nothing. I'm like, that means nothing to 139 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,200 me, no. It's like this umbrella term 140 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,720 that should make you think, OK, one, this could be greenwashed 141 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,360 or two, this could be actually natural but there needs they 142 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,080 need to prove it to me, yes. So absolutely natural means 143 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,840 nothing unless they prove it for sure. 144 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,760 And, and there are still so many consumers that are like, but 145 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,080 it's as natural. And I remember when I was when 146 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,360 my son and I were avoiding dairy because he had a dairy allergy 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,320 as an infant, people would be like, Oh yeah, it's natural. 148 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,400 And I'm like, but that doesn't mean it's dairy free. 149 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,720 You know what I mean? Like people just people just 150 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,760 kind of forget that, that we need to like dive a lot deeper, 151 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,440 like naturals. It can be a good thing, but it 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,960 it doesn't mean that it's allergen friendly. 153 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,360 It doesn't mean that it is only, you know, plant based. 154 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,120 It doesn't mean that it's whole food based. 155 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,880 It doesn't mean any of those other things. 156 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,480 It just is like a starting point. 157 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Something like General Mills, like Lucky Charms might even say 158 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,960 natural on it because they might be because they're they've been 159 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,680 improving their formulas for these kinds of things. 160 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:21,240 So now they're like, oh, you know, Whole Foods. 161 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,360 And it's like it's made from refined flour. 162 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,200 I guess on some level you can call that a whole food, right? 163 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,440 Like, so you really, if you have to laugh at natural, like to me, 164 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,960 just it's not real. Yeah, it's Mickey Mouse. 165 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,920 So there are there's like so many different ways to go on 166 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,000 this next one and I want to try to hit on all of it organic. 167 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:51,640 So or there is a USDA certification for organic and 168 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:56,800 that to put USDA certified organic on a package, you do 169 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:02,560 have to meet the qualifications for that certification through 170 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:07,200 the USDA. So according to the USDA, that 171 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,080 means there are no synthetic chemicals, so no synthetic 172 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,600 pesticides, herbicides or fertilizers. 173 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:21,240 They're non-GMO, no artificial additives or preservatives, but 174 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,440 we all know that natural flavors and natural fragrance get 175 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:29,280 through that in a loophole. And then there are some 176 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,320 standards for livestock and farming practices. 177 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:41,800 What I want to say about organic is that it's a good benchmark 178 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:48,040 for produce. If you're purchasing produce, 179 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,520 it's a very good benchmark. It is not. 180 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,960 It's like bottom of the rung bare minimum for animal products 181 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,920 in my opinion. There's so many more levels. 182 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,800 If I'm looking at animal products, It's bare minimum for 183 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,720 animal products. Also, when you are buying from 184 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,760 smaller companies, when you are shopping at a farmer's market, 185 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,880 when you're buying locally, they cannot to, to get these 186 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:21,720 certifications cost big money. So their product may actually be 187 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,200 organic and it is not labeled organic because they can't do it 188 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,640 because they'd go broke, right, trying to buy the certification. 189 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,840 So there's a lot of nuance with organic. 190 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:38,600 I think again, good benchmark, but you still need to do a lot 191 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,560 of research outside of that. Yeah, I'm as a reminder, organic 192 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,080 poop is organic like. Poop. 193 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,760 Relates to or is derived from living? 194 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,360 No, like the word organic means derived from living matter. 195 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,760 That's it. That's all it means. 196 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:06,440 So poop has living matter in it. All of our secretions have are 197 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,080 organic are the animal secretions that Cara and I 198 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,600 talked about on the Halloween show are coming to mind. 199 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,960 But all of these things are organic. 200 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Cancer is organic, right? So like an animal that has died 201 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,040 of cancer could still technically be organic. 202 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,720 So that's why you have to be careful with these marketing 203 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,960 terms. So like, yes, there is organic 204 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,480 meaning certain practices in farming and raising animals, but 205 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,440 then the word itself doesn't mean that automatically, right? 206 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,320 It doesn't, It doesn't necessarily mean that. 207 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,320 So remember, organic is great at Costco when you find your 208 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,960 blueberries and you're choosing between your conventional and 209 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,400 your organic blueberries. Definitely if your budget allows 210 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,520 it, go for the organic blueberries that have less of 211 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,960 any of those of those synthetic compounds, fertilizers, 212 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:59,440 herbicides, all those things. But when it comes to any kind of 213 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,240 meat for example like, I want to know more about this meat. 100% 214 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,000 it's bare minimum for any animal product. 215 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,720 And and eggs. And eggs, Well, yeah, yeah. 216 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:17,280 So, and, and as Isabel said, if you can afford it, because I, 217 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,200 you know, I remember going back talking to Kelly Marion at Green 218 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,360 Juju on the podcast. And I specifically asked her 219 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,960 like, OK, if you cannot afford organic produce being the 220 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,680 vegetable, right? If you can't afford organic 221 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,400 produce, should we still do vegetables? 222 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,760 And she said 100%, absolutely. Yes. 223 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,520 So if you can go to the EWG, go to the Environmental Working 224 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,520 Group, look at the Clean 15, look at The Dirty Dozen and try 225 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,240 to make your decisions based on what produce. 226 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,960 You can actually get away with some produce not being organic 227 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,280 if it's on the Clean 15 list. So you know. 228 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,040 And a little cheap, a little cheap for those that don't that 229 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,880 are in the grocery store and didn't have the chance. 230 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,080 There is an app. They obviously have apps. 231 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,720 The EWG has an app. But anything that you're going 232 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,400 to peel the skin off of, like an orange or like an avocado 233 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,960 probably, OK, conventional, anything you're going to eat 234 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,640 entirely, like a strawberry, a blueberry head of broccoli some, 235 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,040 and even then some, like cruciferous vegetables, they 236 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,400 don't have to be organic because just in that farming of that 237 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,640 particular vegetable or fruit, they just don't need that many 238 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,240 pesticides or whatever. So just know that the rule of 239 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,160 thumb is if you're going to eat the whole thing, try to get 240 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,680 organic. If you're going to peel it in 241 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,440 some way, then you're probably safer. 242 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,080 But don't forget, like for me, for example, a banana you peel, 243 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,200 but I can't eat conventional bananas. 244 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:53,800 I just can't. And it has nothing to do with 245 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,280 the banana. It has something to do with the 246 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,440 whatever they spray at the when they're shipping the bananas. 247 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,160 I've narrowed it down that if I wash a conventional banana with 248 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,480 soap and water, I can eat it. So it's something on the banana. 249 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,840 But for that reason, I just opt for organic bananas at all 250 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,120 times. I don't have to wash them. 251 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:13,600 I know they're safe. I don't have to worry about 252 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,040 that. So it's just kind of like a 253 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,880 general rule of thumb, but it's so easy. 254 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,800 It's so easy to just go on EWG. They have a website they have 255 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,840 and every year they do a new clean 15 and new Dirty dozen 256 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,520 list. So if you have like a like the 257 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,320 little you know graphic from three years ago, update it 258 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,080 because it does change. Yeah, absolutely. 259 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,720 OK. The term holistic is completely 260 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,400 unregulated, so you can use that on anything. 261 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:49,880 I know my first year at Super Zoo I saw multiple products in 262 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,000 the new product showcase that were holistic something and I'm 263 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,680 like, you have got to be kidding. 264 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Maybe because one of them was a kibble and I'm like, what? 265 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,720 And I've actually had people ask me about that. 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,920 I'm glad I saw that product at Super Zoo because I haven't seen 267 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:10,200 it out in the wild since then. But it's it's a kibble and it's 268 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,280 called holistic something like that's the brand. 269 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,440 And I'm like. Wow. 270 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,960 Well, like how? Old of you, but no but. 271 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,960 From a marketing perspective, OK. 272 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,080 But from a marketing perspective, if they have 273 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,960 something there that's good for the eyes, that's good for the 274 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,200 teeth, that's good for the gut, that's good for the joint and 275 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:35,840 the brain, it's holistic, right? Like we've thought about, we've 276 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,480 thought about a lot of the body, therefore it is holistic, right? 277 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,560 And that's where the marketing really comes in. 278 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,840 It's can, how can I get away with saying this? 279 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,120 And if there's something in there that you can technically 280 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,760 defend yourself in a court of law, if you were to get sued and 281 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,400 then you weren't lying, there's no false advertising because you 282 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,480 did have some kind of synthetic for the eyes and the butt, like 283 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,760 it's holistic. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I get it. 284 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,680 It's a very, again, it's a completely unregulated term. 285 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,520 We throw it around all the time like crazy, assuming that we 286 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,920 know what everybody, that everybody knows what we mean 287 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,720 when like I have, I have been asking lately a lot of people 288 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,319 that come on the show, especially veterinarians who 289 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,520 call themselves holistic veterinarians, what does 290 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,000 holistic mean to you? Correct. 291 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:32,520 Because it can mean so much just different things to different 292 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,160 people. And I mean, even to me, I feel 293 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:41,800 like my definition of holistic has evolved over the years to, I 294 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:48,080 mean, and you can get really, really down the rabbit hole with 295 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,920 trying to do everything naturally. 296 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,960 Like I've, I have talked to one veterinarian for sure who is 297 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,840 like just completely anti pharmaceutical anti. 298 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,120 And I'm like, OK, I mean, that's a that's if that is working for 299 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,360 your patients, please, by all means keep doing that. 300 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,000 So yeah, it is completely unregulated. 301 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,800 Don't like If you are buying a product simply because it says 302 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,600 holistic somewhere on the packaging, please stop you're. 303 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,400 Feeling even even for doctors and vets, like you said, doctors 304 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,840 and vets, I think it's I for me like holistic doesn't say 305 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,480 anything unless like I'm looking for a doctor or vet and it says 306 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,240 holistic and integrative, those kinds of more specific words. 307 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,520 If I look at their services and they have some services that 308 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,800 include like hydrotherapy and things like that, I might be 309 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,160 more inclined to believe that they are holistic. 310 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,720 But like, just because you're maybe comfortable, like using 311 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,760 nutriceuticals does not make you holistic in any way, shape or 312 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,320 form, right? Like to me, and if you're, if 313 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,280 I'm going to tell you that I, you know, found this herb that's 314 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,200 helping my pet and you're going to be like, then for me, you're 315 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,080 not holistic. If I ask you about, you know, 316 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,760 canine acupuncture and you kind of make a funny face, then to me 317 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,120 it's like, I feel like holistic and integrative kind of have to 318 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:06,160 go hand in hand for me, for me to even take holistic in a 319 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,240 practitioner seriously. Cuz not the idea of holistic is 320 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,680 that there's a hole, right? And not everybody can be an 321 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,880 expert in the hole. So if there's no other 322 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,040 techniques and methods and approaches, then I feel like. 323 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,520 But how can we really achieve holistic care? 324 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,720 Yeah. And so the canine dietitian says 325 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,040 for her, holistic does mean taking everything into account. 326 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,280 It means the whole. So exactly. 327 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:40,120 And so I, I mean, but to your point, and I think that is one 328 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:48,360 of the reasons why I think we work to better, we, we all work 329 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,760 so much Better Together in the holistic field because exactly 330 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,240 what you said, we can't all be experts at everything. 331 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:01,160 So do what we do really well and refer out for the other things, 332 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,160 knowing that it's there and that it needs to be addressed and 333 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,400 that it's part of. You know, everything that needs 334 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,000 to be addressed. But while we're on this topic, I 335 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,040 will say my episode that went Live Today on the Pet Parenting 336 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,560 Reset is with Carrie Hyde, who owns the spa in California. 337 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600 And she, I know I love her so much. 338 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,120 And she introduced a new term to me, which I said earlier it she 339 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:29,720 calls these a lot of veterinarians pholistic. 340 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:31,400 Pholistic. Yeah. 341 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,600 The ones that are like, I know how to do acupuncture, but that 342 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,440 meanwhile they have a huge wall of kibble behind them, right? 343 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Like so she calls them pholistic. 344 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,040 So that's my new favorite word. Oh, that's perfect. 345 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,800 It's true. And it happens to all of us. 346 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,960 Like you go to a holistic dentist, but they're using 347 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,880 fluoride. You're like. 348 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,560 No, sorry about that, bud. Yeah. 349 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,200 I don't know, like and, and, and some dentists will let you like 350 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,320 decline it and they don't make a big issue. 351 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,960 But what's funny to me is that usually it's the ones that are, 352 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,440 like, claiming to be the most holistic are the ones who are, 353 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,840 like, really stuck on their, it, their way or the highway. 354 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,200 Yeah. And you're like, but that's 355 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,880 exactly the opposite of holistic. 356 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,920 Holistic to me says you're open minded, you're willing to learn. 357 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,080 You're willing to look at how one system affects the other, 358 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,680 how, you know one medication that is solving one problem 359 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,480 might cause another. Those kinds of things to me are 360 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,880 holistic. And like definitely marketing 361 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,360 has skewed that definition. Yeah, yeah. 362 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Royal Paul Adventures like holistic, holistic, OK, human 363 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:42,680 grade is loosely regulated. AFCO does provide guidance 364 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,120 requiring all ingredients and processing to meet human Food 365 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,280 Standards. However, enforcement is weak. 366 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,520 I think that is true with almost anything that is regulated by 367 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,800 AFCO or the FDA. It is very loosely regulated. 368 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,080 So there is a requirement for that. 369 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,280 It meets human Food Standards. And I think mostly from 370 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,840 everything that I have looked at, especially the the foods 371 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:19,520 that submit to Susan Thixon for her annual the list, they do, 372 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,040 they do what they say they are and they follow human Food 373 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,200 Standards. So that is one that I do think 374 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,200 you can trust a little bit more, at least right now. 375 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:35,480 I think as some of the bigger pet food manufacturers get more 376 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,360 and more and more as we're already seeing into the fresh 377 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:46,120 food realm, it may be something that you want to pause at if 378 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,280 you're dealing with a bigger pet food manufacturer. 379 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:55,080 But I think that one you can, that one is something and and it 380 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,920 may not always be something that you are looking for. 381 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,880 There are foods that I feed my pets that I'm very comfortable 382 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:07,280 feeding my pets, but they don't necessarily need 100% across the 383 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,160 board on a certain recipe, human grade standards. 384 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,840 And so you know, that's it's, that's up to you. 385 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,920 That's going to have to be a you decision if that's what's the 386 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,320 most most important thing to you. 387 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,280 And I think it's also, yeah, like you said, it's very 388 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,880 personal because I, I know that like, and I can't, I'm not going 389 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,200 to say the names because I don't want to misquote anybody. 390 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,360 But there was a situation in Super Zoo where they wanted a 391 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:37,880 very well known influencer who really talks a lot about 392 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,000 nutrition to endorse a product. And, you know, the product was 393 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,240 great, but her kind of baseline is human grade. 394 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,280 So for her to endorse anything, it had to be human grade. 395 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:55,920 And that's her right. So like everybody has is going 396 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,320 to have different standards. But that's why these are just 397 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,160 one of the many things you look for rather than like be like, 398 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,560 you know, when I used to be, you know, I'm pretty much only 399 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,280 cruelty free still. But this was like 10 years ago 400 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 when it wasn't really that common to find cruelty free 401 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,480 products. Like that was how I went into 402 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,120 Sephora. I went in and said I need 403 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,640 cruelty free. And then when they told me the 404 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,360 brand I would see, like I would Google, you know, is this 405 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:28,000 tested, third party tested? And then I would have my answer. 406 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,520 But that was my cut off, whereas maybe there were parabens and 407 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,440 things in there that I wouldn't have wanted otherwise, But that 408 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,280 was like my buying factor. So again, knowing your buying 409 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,640 factors, what matters to you and why these why human grade? 410 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,640 Like what, what does it mean to the animals? 411 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,240 What what is, is there an improvement to the treatment of 412 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,280 the animal or whatever? And that might really resonate 413 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,120 with you. I don't remember why this person 414 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:53,320 was so like passionate about the human grade qualification, but 415 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,840 that was hers, you know? For sure, and it's funny you 416 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,520 bring that up. I, I as recently as last summer 417 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:06,080 went into Ulta and I was asking for I was specifically looking 418 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,320 for shades of eyeshadow that did not have glitter in them. 419 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,160 It is so hard to find out eyeshadow without glitter. 420 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,240 Oh my gracious. And I said, OK, I'm looking for 421 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 these shades, no glitter, cruelty free. 422 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,400 And as soon as I got to the cruelty free part, they were 423 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,400 like, I'm like, like, why is that such? 424 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Like, I don't know, I guess some people are just it's hard to it 425 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,040 don't care. Because and I just a side note, 426 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,360 we can do a whole episode on cruelty free, but in China, the 427 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:42,480 last I understood is that anything that's sold in China 428 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,000 has to be tested on animals before it's put into their 429 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,880 market. So a brand that is not testing 430 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,720 here in the United States or in Europe may pay a third party to 431 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,680 test so that it can be on the shelves in China. 432 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,840 So that's really if, if the government's requiring it to 433 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,200 allow it in and you know, they have a very big purchase power. 434 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,960 There's a lot of people and money in China, so they want to 435 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,640 go in. And that's why I said at the 436 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,440 beginning, like that's just not in line with my value system, 437 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,640 right? Like I'm not going to support 438 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,280 that company. I want to support the company 439 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:24,680 that is truly cruelty free universally, not with across the 440 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,640 bar caveat or a third party, because they're still paying the 441 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,760 third party. It's not like China is paying 442 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,520 for it, right? They are, right. 443 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,080 So they're still supporting animal cruelty pretty direct. 444 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,000 Yeah, correctly. I mean that you can't even 445 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,880 qualify that as indirectly. So, yeah, OK, so next. 1A 446 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,760 Premium completely unregulated. You can put premium anything, 447 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,320 like literally anything I. Can call myself a premium mom, 448 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480 premium wife, a premium daughter. 449 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,760 Like a monster. Like that's really how like 450 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,840 meaningless that word is. Completely meaningless. 451 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,600 The only time premium means anything is if, you know, you're 452 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040 talking to somebody and you say it comes at a premium, right? 453 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,720 Like something comes at a premium and you're saying it's 454 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,840 pricey. Yeah. 455 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,240 That's the only time that I like care about that word when you're 456 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,160 like, what do you mean? What's the premium, right? 457 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,760 How premium are we talking? Right. 458 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,520 Yeah. But like, yeah, premium, premium 459 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:32,160 means nothing. OK, so these the next two or 460 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,160 they might trip some people out. So better veterinarian approved, 461 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:43,400 completely unregulated veterinarian recommended any 462 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:49,000 vet. Any vet you choose does have to 463 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,280 support the product, but there's no standardized like testing or 464 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,480 criteria. So it's very loosely regulated. 465 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,840 So as long as they get one person who has graduated vet 466 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 school and still has their license, they can say 467 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,520 veterinarian recommended. Veterinarian approved means 468 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,520 absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. 469 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,400 One in five or four in five veterinarians feed this to their 470 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,680 pets. Based on what? 471 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,120 Like based on what, Right? You sent free samples to five 472 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,440 veterinarians and four of them said, OK, I'll feed it. 473 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,920 Exactly. Yeah, none of this makes. 474 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,200 And it's funny because I write copy for pet services companies 475 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,400 and I have had this discussion with my clients where they say 476 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,640 that recommended. And I'm like, we're the vets. 477 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,160 Yeah, like I want to know the vets, can we link back to them, 478 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,600 blah, blah, blah. And usually it's one. 479 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,080 And I'm like that recommended by 1 is fine, but recommended by 480 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680 vets would be a lie, right? Because it's 1. 481 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,200 So I try, even though I'm a marketer, I try to be very 482 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,840 honest where we can say, yeah, that recommended by this one 483 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,320 vet. But if you're saying my business 484 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,520 is recommended by vets in the area, that's a lie because 485 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,360 that's a bold faced lie. You only have one vet 486 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,160 recommending you, so know that there's nobody watching that 487 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560 other than the person and their integrity, right? 488 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,240 That's really the only thing. And, you know, most highly rated 489 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,320 pet sitting company in this area. 490 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Based on what? Like based on what rating? 491 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280 Because like, you know what, like your 100 Google reviews, 492 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,720 maybe the other person has 102, you know what I mean? 493 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360 So like, what are these words? And this is the same thing. 494 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920 This is just instead of for a service, it's for a product. 495 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:39,840 It's like, yeah, this vet approved clostamine supplement 496 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,240 because the vet approved that it will end up on its shelves. 497 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,360 Yeah, well. The vet is a that. 498 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,680 Approved is completely unregulated. 499 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,680 It's recommended, that's loosely regulated. 500 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,840 So that I think again will trip people up between approved and 501 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,560 recommended. Regardless, yeah, I wouldn't put 502 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,960 any. I wouldn't put any way to. 503 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,680 Me, they both mean absolutely nothing. 504 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,600 No, because vets to prove a lot of things to be on their shelves 505 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,400 that I would never feed my pets or what I would never give my 506 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,840 pets. So as much as I love vets and 507 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,280 support them, I know that their priorities are different than 508 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,120 mine. Yeah. 509 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,880 And there are a lot of things that my doctor gives me when I'm 510 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,960 sick and I get the prescriptions and then I'm like, no, no, no. 511 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,480 And then it just, I end up keeping it just in case I get 512 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,160 desperate. And then I'll be like, no, I'm 513 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,120 going to, I'm going to see if I can take more vitamin C and zinc 514 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,640 and see if I can knock this out before, you know, using this 515 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,320 with like, a litany of potential side effects, right? 516 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680 So like, yeah, like just because it's recommended by my doctor, 517 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,320 my vet, doesn't mean I'm going to, I'm going to follow through 518 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,400 with it. Yeah. 519 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,560 So the next one that many people may be very surprised about that 520 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,840 is completely unregulated is hypoallergenic. 521 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,120 It's just like noodles. They're hypoallergenic, right? 522 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,320 That is the biggest marketing ploy ever to sell dogs to you 523 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280 and sell all sorts of stuff to you. 524 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,680 Yeah. So what? 525 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Is there any regulation on that? None. 526 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Zero. I wonder in the in the human 527 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,320 industry if there is just cuz we're talking about babies and 528 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,520 stuff. I wonder if there's any 529 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,480 regulation cuz that's, you know, there's so many babies that have 530 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800 skin issues, their immune system's so young and delicate 531 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,800 and you would hope that nobody's just like writing like 532 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,840 hypoallergenic for like this two day old infant that's going to 533 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,440 have like a horrid reaction or skin burn as a result. 534 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760 So yeah, like, it's those things make me mad because like, 535 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,920 hypoallergenic you, if you know your child is somehow really 536 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,080 sensitive, you kind of gravitate toward those words well, 537 00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,120 thinking you can trust them. How long did baby powder 538 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,840 companies tell you to put talc on? 539 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440 I mean when? They they don't care. 540 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,680 They knew for does it. I I'm this is a decade. 541 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240 They knew for decades that it was damaging. 542 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys. 543 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,680 This. Is this is regulation? 544 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Yeah, if any. Grain free does mean there are 545 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,280 no grains, but there is absolutely no regulation as to 546 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040 what replaces grains. So, and this is, I know that we 547 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,920 have talked about this in the past, you know, whatever fillers 548 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920 are replacing the grains, there's no regulation on that. 549 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:46,760 So just because there isn't rice in there or wheat doesn't mean 550 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,280 that it's low carb or that you're still not getting a ton 551 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,200 of fillers that you don't want your pets to have. 552 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,160 I mean, I I literally still to this day get people who believe 553 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,160 the DCM stuff who their vet is still telling them don't feed 554 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,480 grain free who who, who are feeding a grain free and think 555 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,760 that means low carbohydrate. Like literally people think 556 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:14,360 that. Yeah, I know. 557 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,760 So it that no, no, no, no. They can replace that with any 558 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,000 other carb that doesn't qualify as a grain. 559 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,760 Like that's all it means. Yeah, dairy free, for example, 560 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,520 does it mean soy free? And we were dairy and soy free, 561 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,360 right. So I had to look for dairy free. 562 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,480 So because usually the things they replace stuff with the 563 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,560 other allergens, yes, that's another thing. 564 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,080 Absolutely you have to be careful with. 565 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:44,720 So you're allergic to, you know, casein and they'll give you like 566 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,920 the protein that's most similar digestively. 567 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,920 And you're like, well, that didn't help at all, but at least 568 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,160 it's dairy free and you you learn the hard way. 569 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,800 Yeah, Yeah, we normally do learn the hard way, right. 570 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,520 So limited ingredient is there's no strict definition for that. 571 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,440 You know, my, my research says that it's loosely regulated, but 572 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,120 I still don't even see how it's regulated at all because there's 573 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,400 no, no real definition for it. Brands can claim this term 574 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,679 without reducing allergens or unnecessary ingredients. 575 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120 So I mean, I, and I see this a lot. 576 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,679 There's only one food that I pull out of my hat when somebody 577 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,239 needs limited ingredient. Anything else that you're 578 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,280 seeing, like on a shelf that is shelf stable, that is says 579 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,840 limited ingredient. I'm like, can't be, but so 580 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,480 limited ingredient, maybe they're limiting the ingredients 581 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,440 that they feel are allergens. I feel like that's what a lot of 582 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,760 these companies are doing. But no, that doesn't. 583 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,880 But again, maybe 1 allergen. Maybe one. 584 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Yeah, maybe. One out of the you know, one out 585 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,440 of the the six that your pet reacts to. 586 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,880 Yeah, I can't tell you how many people I talked to that are 587 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680 like, my dog can't have chicken, and I've removed all the chicken 588 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600 from their diet. And that's the most popular one, 589 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:13,960 right? That's the first thing people go 590 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,360 to to remove. And then I look at the list of 591 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,800 what they're feeding and we I'm like, OK, I pull up the 592 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,200 ingredients and there's chicken in it and I'm like, and they're 593 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,160 like, what? Yes, yes. 594 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,120 So Grooming by GAIL wants to know what food you like that is 595 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,560 limited. Ingredient Green Choo Choo. 596 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:40,120 I mean, we love green Choo Choo. OK, so next is. 597 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,120 Non-toxic, also unregulated. There's no standardized testing 598 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:52,160 or certification for non-toxic. So it's basically like what does 599 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,480 that mean to you? Which is non-toxic. 600 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,960 To that brand, non-toxic to me makes me think of our cleaning 601 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,400 products right like that's and that's so important for our 602 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,160 pets. Yeah. 603 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,480 Because. They're I mean. 604 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Literally walking, licking, laying. 605 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,160 And so that one is a big one for me. 606 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,400 Like, I, I mean, I don't trust it, but I do my research about, 607 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,000 you know, environmental toxins because not toxic, non-toxic. 608 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,480 That still says, you know, are we talking about an acute 609 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520 toxicity? Are we talking about a long term 610 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,120 toxicity? Like there is no, like there's 611 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,160 no true commitment on the part of anybody who is using that 612 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600 term as to what is going to happen if you use that product. 613 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:48,680 Yeah, then, interestingly, 4 Legger sent out an e-mail 614 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,280 recently about four Legger does grooming products for pet. 615 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,720 Well, pet shampoos specifically, and. 616 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,000 I've used one of their things. Yeah, I love, I love her stuff. 617 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,480 And she says, again, there's no legal definition for natural. 618 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,520 There's only regulation for organic, but it's only enforced 619 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:19,480 for companies that actually have the certification and the there 620 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,360 are so many loopholes. Even with natural or non-toxic 621 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,960 on the label, their products can still have harsh detergents that 622 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,760 strip natural oils and irritate the skin, synthetic preservative 623 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200 like preservatives like parabens and formaldehyde releasing 624 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,320 agents, and artificial fragrances that can contain 625 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,000 undisclosed chemicals. So I thought that was 626 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,040 appropriate for our talk today. Yeah non-toxic means nothing. 627 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,400 It just means not poisonous, but like, I mean, there's a lot of 628 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,640 stuff that's poisoning us slowly and that's not going to be 629 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,120 labeled non-toxic. Going back a little bit, Kayla 630 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,880 Dodd on Facebook wants to know, is goat milk also considered 631 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,920 dairy? Should it be avoided? 632 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,000 I was talking about my son and I when we had a dairy allergy that 633 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,280 was not related to pets. Obviously, we wouldn't want to 634 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,240 give like pasteurized dairy to our pets because it's full of 635 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,920 synthetic vitamins and it's not good really for any purpose. 636 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,760 Goat milk. Only if you get like a very high 637 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,240 quality raw goat's milk that you get from a trusted source that's 638 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,480 been handled properly and shipped to you properly or 639 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,080 shipped to your store properly, then it should be safe and has a 640 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,360 lot of benefits. But yeah, Jessica. 641 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,800 I mean it is technically dairy, but the the protein variation 642 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,160 between a cow and a goat, I think the goat milk is so much 643 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,240 more digestible. It's actually the closest to 644 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,560 human breast milk. So a lot of natural quote UN 645 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,320 quote holistic quote UN quote human grade. 646 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,960 Obviously they have to be human grade formulas are made with 647 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,880 goat milk bases as opposed to cow's milk because it is closest 648 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,600 to breast milk. So yeah, I think it, I mean, I 649 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,600 think goat milk has a really good use in pets. 650 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,840 I think it's hard to it. It's I've tried it for human 651 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,280 consumption and it's very fatty. See, I think cow's milk is more 652 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,120 fatty, but you tried it. You tried it. 653 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,640 No, no, I would. No, that's that's green juju. 654 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,760 I don't know, like that's green juju's pet specific. 655 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,800 I've bought at Sprouts. I bought goat's milk at sprouts 656 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,400 to make my own yogurt. I love yogurt. 657 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,720 I love homemade yogurt. That's like one of my favorite 658 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:45,960 desserts. And there was like a thing of 659 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,480 fat was sitting there, a layer of fat. 660 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680 And I was like, no, this is the one time. 661 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,440 Like this isn't right. I got it again. 662 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,320 It's just so fatty. And I, I mean, I'll, I have half 663 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,840 and half in my coffee. Like not I'm trying not to 664 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,320 because I read that. You have dairy in your coffee, 665 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,840 all the antioxidants, you don't absorb them as well. 666 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,600 So I'm trying to only do plant based like creamers, but I, you 667 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,800 know, I'll use half and half and it's not fatty, but like goat's 668 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,560 milk had like at the in the little plastic bottle, which 669 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960 obviously it comes in plastic, which is not ideal, like 670 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,520 organic, really awesome in a plastic bottle. 671 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,360 And it was just too fatty. So like my kids were like, it's 672 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,960 that I could not shake that thing to save my life. 673 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,720 I guess I would have should have put it in the Vitamix. 674 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,120 And I was like, I'm not doing this again. 675 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,960 Wow, I'm wow. So there's no So should I just 676 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,520 get green juju and feed it to my kids? 677 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,560 But just get green juju, yes? So yes, Kayla Dodd goat milk is 678 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,520 is considered dairy, but it should be. 679 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,440 It should not be avoided. It's just individual preference. 680 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080 Eco friendly. It was probably a cream top. 681 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,640 They have that specifically at sprouts. 682 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,120 It was not. It was just like because I saw 683 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,960 the creamy top the second time I went, but I don't know, man, you 684 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,400 told me Cara, am I doing something wrong? 685 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,080 Honestly, my kid should not be having dairy and like if I were 686 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,840 to make something like cupcakes or things like that, I should be 687 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,200 using an alternative that has he's still like he's not fully 688 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,840 allergic to it like he used to used to get eczema and stuff 689 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,960 like that as an infant, but I still think it affects him. 690 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,520 So I would love some tips. So Cara DM me about the goat 691 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,320 milk. Eco friendly and sustainable are 692 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,040 both completely unregulated. And so is biodegradable. 693 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,760 Yes. Well, so there are some FTC 694 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:45,000 guidelines for biodegradable, but many biodegradable claims 695 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,040 are misleading, and I'll let you talk about that. 696 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,880 She she just walked out of sprouts. 697 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,080 That's so funny, Kara. OK, so this is the thing about 698 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440 pet products specifically and like obviously eco friendly. 699 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080 You might buy something that's eco friendly and then like you 700 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,760 look at the actual packaging and you're like, this is not eco 701 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,200 friendly at all. Like maybe the product inside 702 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,320 all this plastic is eco friendly, but like this is, you 703 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,400 know what I mean? So I think and like, or you'll 704 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,160 buy an eco friendly product and it comes with all sorts of 705 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080 packet, like just like a huge box. 706 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,000 And they're like all this like, you know, CO2 consumption just 707 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,960 to get it to you and like you're like, so you don't have to pay 708 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,360 attention to the details when it comes to like eco friendly. 709 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,280 But the one that bothers me the most and this one I'm pretty 710 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,520 well versed in because I've known Jennifer Blaze of Green 711 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,520 Line Pet Supply for over a decade now and she is the poop 712 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,320 bag girl and she is a plastics expert. 713 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,680 She knows plastics better than anybody I know and she makes the 714 00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:00,040 only to date that I know of truly landfill biodegradable 715 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,240 poop bag. But you go anywhere and it says 716 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,080 eco friendly poop bags and biodegradable poop bags and like 717 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,560 because it's not a lie they're allowed to put it on the 718 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,320 packaging. But this is the thing. 719 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,240 Most landfill environments are dark. 720 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,120 The vast majority of poop bags that are biodegradable 721 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,720 biodegraded sunlight, but most of our poop bags end up in 722 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:31,400 landfills because we hopefully will pick up the poop, put it in 723 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,840 our outside trash. The outside trash is picked up 724 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,800 once or twice a week, taken to wherever they process and ends 725 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,920 up in a landfill, which is just layers of layers of dark 726 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,400 environments, right. And so in her poop bag, she 727 00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,840 developed a, an additive that eats the poop bag. 728 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,480 It's like, I think it's kind of like think probiotic, right? 729 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,560 Like think bacteria that just like eats it up. 730 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,320 So no matter what the elements are around it, that the fact 731 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,200 that there's poop and bacteria in there, there's a, you know, 732 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520 match made in heaven and it starts to biodegrade. 733 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,160 And some of these poop bags that are supposedly biodegradable, 734 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:14,080 eco friendly and green actually last 300 years in our landfills 735 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:20,240 and they Leech all sorts of microplastics and chemicals into 736 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,800 our ecosystem. So you are going to the dollar 737 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,040 store and being like no, I'm not going to buy these because they 738 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,080 don't say eco friendly. I'm going to go to PetSmart and 739 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,680 spend 3 times as much. And when you really look at the 740 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,800 reality of the life of that poop bag, they're exactly the same. 741 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:42,640 So unless you're really like you're buying something that you 742 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,240 know is truly landfill biodegradable, landfill 743 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,320 biodegradable needs to be stated. 744 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,840 And like, if you like, if you go on Green Line pet supply, her 745 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,120 website, she will show you the whole process. 746 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,080 She will show you how she came to this conclusion. 747 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,160 She will show you all of the reasons why other poop bags 748 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,160 can't actually biodegrade. And she puts her money where her 749 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,320 mouth is. And I'm, I'm an affiliate with 750 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,960 her, but mostly just because I buy them and I keep, I use them 751 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,400 for my pets and for my backyard. But this is not sponsored or 752 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,920 anything. And I, when I had her on my 753 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,880 show, I was blown away by just like how knowledgeable she is 754 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,920 about like really truly plastic. She was, you know, we talked 755 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,640 about how in, on my show, this was years ago, she's one of my 756 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,120 first guests and she talked to me about how like she loves 757 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,040 buying in bulk, but she doesn't love Costco's packaging because 758 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,000 there's so much plastic, right? So it's like you think you're 759 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,640 doing the right thing by buying in bulk and then storing all 760 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,520 this stuff in your house, but then it's all wrapped in a huge 761 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,920 thing of really thick plastic that's going to last 300 years 762 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,680 and leach into our oceans, right? 763 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:59,160 So like be very careful with biodegradable, with eco friendly 764 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,640 with all of those because you end up spending more, right? 765 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:09,640 Like you end up paying twice as much for these green things. 766 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,200 And that's what green washing really is. 767 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,000 In all of these terms, you pay more and you get the same that 768 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,960 you would have gotten if you hadn't, if you just gotten the 769 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,480 cheapest thing on the on the shelf. 770 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,320 And that, as a consumer, should piss you off. 771 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,520 It's just my language that should really get you upset. 772 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,080 Yeah, for sure. So much of this should and 773 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,040 exactly. You should be mad. 774 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:41,120 So made with real meat. There's so many terms on a pet 775 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,880 food label specifically that you have to know like the 776 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,960 definitions to know. Like what percent, like dinner 777 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,240 and entree. It's like some of them are 4%, 778 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,400 some of them are 25%. It's it's it's bad. 779 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:04,280 But made with real meat. They do require a small 780 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,960 percentage of whatever you say. Like if you say it's with beef 781 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,160 or whatever, it has to have some beef in it but does. 782 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,640 The quality of the beef matter. Not at all. 783 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,560 That's where they get you. Because it could be like a cow 784 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,200 that died of cancer, riddled with illness, and it still 785 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,320 counts as made with real beef. And that's absolutely is where 786 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,480 my blood starts boiling. Yeah. 787 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,880 And then superfood, Superfood ingredients completely 788 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,720 unregulated. So superfood is unregulated. 789 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,880 And I, I mean, we say it offhand all the time, right? 790 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,320 And, and I know a lot of brands and people that I follow say it 791 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:53,120 offhand all the time. I don't know where I first heard 792 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,560 it. Probably Rodney Habib, right? 793 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,440 Superfoods. What's that superfood? 794 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,840 Well. OK, I want to anybody who's 795 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,680 who's watching us live, comment below the superfoods that, you 796 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,720 know, we all know for foods. Yeah. 797 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,000 Blueberries are the first ones that come to mind. 798 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,160 Yeah. What else? 799 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,280 I mean, I think a lot of fruits and vegetables come to mind 800 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:16,840 first. Avocados. 801 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,360 Avocados. Blueberries. 802 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,480 Like leafy greens. Like, yeah, any leafy greens are 803 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,880 gonna have lots of. Omega-3 like oily. 804 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,800 Fish oily like sardines. Eggs. 805 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,480 Eggs are the ultimate superfood. Yeah, mushroom, microgreens, 806 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,640 berries. Yeah, yeah. 807 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:42,800 Yeah, but it's unregulated, so a pet food company can say what 808 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,840 they whatever they want is a superfood. 809 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,840 And The thing is too, like if you're just, if it's a really 810 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:53,280 low quality of whatever it is covered in herbicide acai, yeah, 811 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,720 that's a good one. If it's a really bad quality 812 00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,560 covered in herbicides, pesticides and all sorts of 813 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,320 stuff, then it stops being a super food just because at some 814 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,560 point and it's in its genetic makeup, it was a blueberry. 815 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,920 Like that's the thing, right? So it's like, are we getting a 816 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,800 high quality blueberry here? Are we just finding like, rotten 817 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:17,120 blueberries and like, repurposing them for, you know. 818 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,640 Yeah. So yeah, super food is is. 819 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,920 I mean, it's good to know if you're shopping for fresh foods 820 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,280 what a super food is. Like. 821 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,600 I'm always so happy. Then it becomes a super bad 822 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,480 food. Exactly. 823 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,520 I'm always shopping for whatever is a super food for my kids. 824 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,960 And luckily they love avocados and blueberries. 825 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,880 Do you think I'm going to get them to eat like sardines? 826 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,840 Absolutely not. Even I don't know, you know, 827 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,960 when it's when you're shopping, it's really good to kind of try 828 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,600 to get these things, but knowing that it's not like in a 829 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,080 processed food because you can put as many super foods into, 830 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,240 you know, Lucky Charms and it's still going to be Lucky Charms. 831 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,080 And I have no hate on Lucky Charms. 832 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,840 They have their place. I take a box of Lucky Charms to 833 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,520 my sister every year when I go to Spain. 834 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,560 Because she was like a little treat. 835 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,520 Yeah, exactly. And they're like $20 a box over 836 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,760 there at the American store. But yeah, you can put all sorts 837 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,560 of super foods into poop and it's still poop. 838 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:28,720 Yeah, very true, very true. So, OK, to go back to what we're 839 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,600 what you were talking about. The life cycle. 840 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,400 The life cycle. So I, and this is going to be 841 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,480 controversial and I get that, but it is completely, I mean to, 842 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:47,400 I understand why because I spent 13-15 something like that years 843 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:52,840 of my life between vegetarian and vegan. 844 00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:02,200 And I did that because I bought in to all of the marketing for I 845 00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,560 care more about the animals, right? 846 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,720 And I don't want and and that still to this day is true. 847 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,720 Even though I'm no longer vegan or vegetarian, I care very much 848 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,400 about the life of the animal that I am eating, which is why I 849 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,520 try very hard not to support, you know, industrialized 850 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,400 ranching and mono cropping that like I'm sure I do. 851 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,480 I live in in. The real world. 852 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:35,800 Right. But the reality is when you look 853 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:48,400 at look at the life cycle, if you look at everything, the mono 854 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,800 cropping that feeds vegans and vegetarians because they need 855 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,160 this huge abundance of plant matter. 856 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,600 The mono cropping is killing everything in that soil, 857 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:07,600 including the soil. The tilling is killing all of 858 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,720 the, you know, voles and moles and rodents and everything else 859 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:16,040 living in that soil. The glyphosate, herbicides, 860 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,040 pesticides, all of that. It's killing our planet. 861 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:30,080 All of us, yes. That also leads to us, as you 862 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,960 know, anybody who lives a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle. 863 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,840 Yes, you could opt for all organic, all local farms, raise 864 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,360 your own. Sure, fine, most people are not 865 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,600 doing that. Then you get into the whole meat 866 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:53,160 alternative, which has flopped. I mean, I don't know if you've 867 00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,240 noticed in the grocery stores. They did a good job with the 868 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,600 flavor 'cause I was vegetarian for a long time and when you 869 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,960 know, Impossible Burger came out and Beyond Burger, they taste 870 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,920 good. But when you look at the 871 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,360 ingredients, you know that you cannot sustain yourself on those 872 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:09,160 things. It's like. 873 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,520 Ingredients are horrid. They are full of seed oils, 874 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,720 which are horrible for us. They are. 875 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,800 I mean, they're, they are creating a sick society. 876 00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:34,800 And so yes, do I care, I care very, very much about the 877 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,120 quality of life of animals who are being raised for food, being 878 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:48,200 vegan or vegetarian. You are one cow is going to feed 879 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,120 one person for more than a year. And think about all of the 880 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,360 animals that we're killing in modern cropping to create, to to 881 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,720 sustain this vegan and vegetarianism that has overtaken 882 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,200 our culture for decades. Yeah, I mean, I, I was veggie 883 00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,240 and vegan for a really long time. 884 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,000 I'm insulin resistant, so it's really hard for me to do that 885 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,040 ever again. I need to focus on my animal 886 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,720 proteins and that's just genetics. 887 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:22,560 And as much as I sometimes don't want to eat the animal protein 888 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,160 that's in front of me, I recognize that it's the 889 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,680 healthiest thing for me in my body. 890 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,640 And I, and it's funny, those I was, I was always vegan, 891 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,640 vegetarian as an adult, maybe no, in my 30s, let's just say 892 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,240 like that whole decade. And then I did, I looked at like 893 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:43,160 the blood type diet and I'm supposed to be like a carnivore. 894 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,080 And I'm like. Uh oh. 895 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:49,880 And then I realized that my sugar spikes so easily even with 896 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:54,400 Whole Foods that are supposed to be low glycemic index, then I 897 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,360 have to be super careful about what I eat. 898 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,480 So I'm like, yeah, I was, I was lucky that in my 30s I didn't 899 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,840 get sick from, you know, eating so much. 900 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:10,200 You know, legumes are really wonderful foods, but I was like, 901 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,160 that was like my only source of nutrition. 902 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:17,800 And Raw Pod Venture says yes, monocropping. 903 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,160 Preach. I just had Regenerative ranchers 904 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,320 on for an interview and it was such an amazing conversation. 905 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,240 I can't wait to release it, Diane Co says. 906 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,640 I used to be vegetarian but did not feel healthy, so I went back 907 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,400 to eating meat. A lot of people have said that. 908 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,240 Like I've heard, I know Miley Cyrus has said like, she was 909 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,720 like really doing poorly on it. I know Angelina Jolie was the 910 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,400 same thing. And people get mad at them for 911 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:40,640 saying that. And like, I think it's a 912 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,040 personal choice. I do think some people eat too 913 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,880 much meat. I really do think that like 914 00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,120 sometimes I look at people who like are having a burger and 915 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,600 then they want like the, the, the Super decadent cheese on 916 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,280 there and then the bacon and then like the this and that. 917 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,920 I'm like, you could just have the burger. 918 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,840 Like the burger is perfectly delicious as it is and that's 919 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,920 your protein and it's great. And so I do think that we are 920 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,240 overdoing it, that our heart disease rates are impacted by 921 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,160 how much mostly red meat we're eating. 922 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,360 And like a lot of like the processed meats that really 923 00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,280 aren't good for us. And a lot of people will say 924 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,480 like, that should probably be eaten, eaten. 925 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,120 Yeah. Eaten sparingly doesn't mean 926 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:21,800 that you don't have you can't eat them, but just like 927 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,920 sparingly. But like a balanced diet is 928 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,480 always the most important thing. And balance will always, if we 929 00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:33,560 balance our lifestyle, then the world around us becomes more 930 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,040 balanced, right? Like it's like if I am 931 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,960 supporting all of these industries that have, you know, 932 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,000 that are life saving, life giving because you know, your 933 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,800 farmers are giving us life like that's we can't live without 934 00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,440 them. If I'm supporting a variety, 935 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,640 then I'm doing right by myself and the environment. 936 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:00,120 And for the pets, it's the same thing like if we're just feeding 937 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,320 them corn, are we doing the best thing for them or any other 938 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,400 industry or, or, or agricultural, you know, section 939 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,520 sector, We're not. And what we're doing is probably 940 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,640 making our pets really sick by giving them one thing, you know, 941 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,840 60% of their diet cannot be corn. 942 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,360 And a lot of pet parents. Unfortunately, that's the 943 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:28,040 reality. Well and segwaying into our 944 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,840 pets. Cats are obligate carnivores and 945 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,600 there's so much back and forth on what dogs are. 946 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,000 I believe they're facultative carnivores. 947 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,040 Same. There are some people who 948 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,000 believe they're omnivores. Either way they should not be 949 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,560 eating a vegan or completely plant based diet. 950 00:57:52,280 --> 00:58:00,440 And the people that argue know that dogs can thrive on a plant 951 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,680 based diet, I believe are cherry picking their studies and not 952 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,520 looking at what's actually common. 953 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,880 The commonalities between all of these dogs. 954 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,160 Because in different parts of the world, humans and animals 955 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,080 eat different things. We as Americans have become so 956 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,200 accustomed to being able to eat whatever we want whenever we 957 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,520 want. We shouldn't be eating 958 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,720 strawberries in the middle of winter, right? 959 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:33,520 But we do. And so we have this mindset that 960 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,400 everything is always available. But that's not really how we're 961 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,080 designed to live, nor how our pets are designed to live. 962 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,200 Which takes me down the whole rabbit hole of AFCO and balance. 963 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:55,480 And that I believe is BS. But my point being that 964 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,080 veganism, even vegetarianism I don't believe, is sustainable 965 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,760 the way we do it. No. 966 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,080 It is not good for our pets. Let's talk about vegetarianism. 967 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,120 What does it become? It becomes a super dairy heavy 968 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,520 diet, which is also and impactful and it becomes very 969 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,040 dairy is very impactful to the animals and to the earth. 970 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,040 It is not a benign, you know, there's the factory farming for 971 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,600 dairy is not benign in any way, shape or form. 972 00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,520 So if you're giving up, you know, you know, pasture raised 973 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,960 chicken for your cheese all day long, then you're not doing 974 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,720 anything better for the environment. 975 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,480 So that's really important to know that it's, it's and there's 976 00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,200 a lot of survivors bias, which I think is really important to 977 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,920 note. Like you may meet somebody with 978 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:52,120 a dog who lived to 1516 or more that was vegetarian, vegan, one 979 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,840 of the oldest dogs was a vegetarian. 980 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,280 And that dog was eating fresh food from the farm on which it 981 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,560 lived and it was getting fermented foods and all sorts of 982 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,080 delicious, wonderful things. I mean, I want to be that dog on 983 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,840 that farm like in my next life because that dog got a lot of 984 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,600 really amazing things. Not, you know. 985 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,600 Not actual like caught up chicken, but that dog lived on a 986 01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,760 farm so really it could have been eating meat that, you know, 987 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,080 likely so. Yeah, catching rodents. 988 01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,200 Exactly. So like we don't know, we don't 989 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,560 really know exactly what kind of meat it was getting. 990 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,280 But I, you know, I think it's really important to know that 991 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,000 every single person dog, cat is an individual. 992 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,600 And just because that one dog did really well with, you know, 993 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,600 maybe it's five last years because I don't know anybody 994 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,040 who's had like a 15 year old dog who was always vegan or like at 995 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,520 some point they ate vegan. Like just like my dogs at some 996 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,000 point ate homemade raw. They don't anymore all the time 997 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,960 for that. But, you know, you know, the 998 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,600 diets change. And sometimes, you know, you'll 999 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,120 hear somebody say, yeah, my dog was totally vegan. 1000 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,520 And that's not first, first of all, factual. 1001 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,320 Maybe it wasn't its whole life. It wasn't vegan. 1002 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,280 And it's also maybe that dog in that environment thrived because 1003 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,320 of something else, something completely unrelated to the 1004 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,320 diet. So it's really dangerous to go 1005 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,880 against the norm if you want a vegan animal. 1006 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,680 Rabbits make wonderful pets and that's all I have to say about 1007 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,640 that. I think that that I get it. 1008 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,840 I get the desire to be vegan and vegetarian. 1009 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,920 I have nothing but respect for people who want to go that 1010 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,600 route. I did it for a really long time. 1011 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,880 But to force our pets into something that is not 1012 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,680 biologically appropriate is not OK. 1013 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,680 I mean, it's like the same as my daughter and my son. 1014 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,120 They're my daughter just turned 5, my son is 7. 1015 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,400 My son does not like proteins for the most part. 1016 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,840 Like if the I put chicken Nuggets and French fries on a 1017 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,800 plate, my daughter will eat the chicken Nuggets 1st and my son 1018 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,680 will eat the French fries 1st and then I have to fight my son 1019 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,720 to eat the chicken. I don't fight my daughter to eat 1020 01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,000 the French fries. I don't care. 1021 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,920 I'm happy to throw them away but I have to fight my son to eat 1022 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,800 the chicken. Can you imagine if I forced my 1023 01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,800 daughter to be a vegetarian or a vegan? 1024 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,840 Like that's it's not my body. And even though I am her parent, 1025 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,920 it's not my body. And it's clear that she enjoys 1026 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,360 meat. You know how I know? 1027 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,800 Because she's the reason I started eating meat again the 1028 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:22,120 day I delivered her. I'm breastfeeding exclusively 1029 01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,720 and I could not stop craving a Turkey sandwich. 1030 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,320 And for the first two years of her life, I had Turkey 1031 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,520 sandwiches every single day. I had not eaten meat for over 10 1032 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,080 years. So, you know, some, if you 1033 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,840 really listen to the body, we know this with ourselves. 1034 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,360 And if we listen to the pets, you're going to offer them a 1035 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,520 sardine for like a strawberry. They're going to go for the 1036 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,840 sardine. And like, that's just, that's 1037 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,800 your answer right there. And when it comes to all of 1038 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,520 these words that we're talking about and the greenwashing, it's 1039 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,560 to make you lose touch with your nature. 1040 01:02:55,600 --> 01:03:01,840 It is and your knowing and your simplicity, like you know that 1041 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,480 simple is better. You don't need anything to tell 1042 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,240 you something's holistic for you to really know that it's going 1043 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:12,240 to help you because it has nutrients in it like true fresh 1044 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,480 from the earth nutrients. You don't need all this 1045 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,600 marketing to guide you, but you do need to be kind of 1046 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,480 distrustful of the marketing. Like trust yourself more than 1047 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,280 the marketing. Yeah, in my opinion. 1048 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,840 Yeah, I know. I think we get so caught up and 1049 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,520 I mean it, it happens to me. I, I have gotten better with 1050 01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,000 like stopping myself and I'm like, but I still get caught up 1051 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,680 in like that shiny object syndrome. 1052 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,840 And then I try to like implement especially if I'm online, I try 1053 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,040 to implement that I don't buy anything right away. 1054 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,760 I will put it in my cart and if I still want it tomorrow, then 1055 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,800 and I can look at it again because I do and I know that I'm 1056 01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,800 like that. And so I and then at the same 1057 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,240 time I have brands reaching out to me all the time with or you 1058 01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,560 know, showcase this product, blah, blah, blah. 1059 01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:08,800 I have not. I mean, in the past three years, 1060 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,400 I haven't taken a single one of them up on it because I look at 1061 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,840 the product and I'm like, I can't do that, right. 1062 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,960 Exactly. So humans and pets. 1063 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,920 So I the question is about black seed oil organic. 1064 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,560 I don't see depressed from Diane. 1065 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,280 What do you think of black seed oil organic cold pressed black 1066 01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:36,720 seed oil? I have I have not looked into it 1067 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:41,520 with pets though. I imagine the same things would 1068 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:44,880 be true. What I have looked into so far 1069 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,680 with humans is that it can be beneficial, especially in 1070 01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:53,240 combination with other things like for example, the oregano 1071 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:58,720 oil that I buy is mixed with black seed oil. 1072 01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,760 So I think, I mean, there are certainly benefits, but it would 1073 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:07,600 definitely need, I mean cold pressed and, and organic is, is 1074 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:12,320 the way to go with anything like that because it doesn't 1075 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:18,520 naturally, just like oats don't produce milk, nuts don't produce 1076 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:24,000 milk. But anyway, like it's, it's a 1077 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,440 whole, it's a whole, it's a whole thing. 1078 01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,840 We hope you enjoyed this. It's already a little past four, 1079 01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,200 so we're going to wrap it up. But if you guys have any 1080 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,200 questions, comments, concerns, this obviously lives on both of 1081 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,000 our feeds. You can comment and continue the 1082 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,680 conversation and we will see you next Monday. 1083 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:49,480 It is President's Day. Oh, is it we still are we still 1084 01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,080 doing it? It's President's Day. 1085 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,080 I'm. Fine with it if you are cuz 1086 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,040 we're taking, we're not. So much time off. 1087 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,240 Yeah, exactly. So I will. 1088 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,320 We will see you next. We'll see you next Monday if you 1089 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:07,080 have any recommendations. It is one of my sister's last 1090 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:08,960 weekends here in the United States. 1091 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,560 She's moving back to Spain. So if we decide to do something, 1092 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,800 we'll, you know, reschedule it for later in the week if 1093 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,520 possible. But if not, we'll see you Monday 1094 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,120 at 3:00 PM Mountain Standard Time, 2:00 PM Central. 1095 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,520 And just let us know if there's any topic you want to dig into. 1096 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:29,360 I'd be happy to talk about, you know, cruelty free stuff or 1097 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,280 anything in the news. I haven't really. 1098 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,040 It's kind of a slow considering our administration is. 1099 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:37,600 Good news. Constantly. 1100 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,920 And we just had the Super Bowl. You know, I feel like between 1101 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,960 like Kendrick Lamar's performance and the 1102 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,440 administration, I've not seen anything else on the news. 1103 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,880 So if you see anything that you want us to talk about, send it 1104 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,720 over. Yeah, yeah. 1105 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,360 All right guys, y'all have a great week and we'll see you 1106 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,760 soon. Thank you for joining us. 1107 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,440 Bye.