1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,240 Welcome back, pet parent. Today's episode is serious, like 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,720 very, very serious. But also, you know me, I can't 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,920 be serious all the time, but I have some really interesting 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,200 statistics. I think we all know that today 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,880 I'm we're recording this in October 2024. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,520 Whenever you're hearing this, the statistics are for now. 7 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:28,120 Right now, one in four dogs will develop cancer at some point in 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:33,440 their lifetime, and nearly half of all dogs that reach the age 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,520 of 10 are likely to be diagnosed with some form of cancer. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,480 And it's only getting worse. It's sad, but the also the 11 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:48,160 reality is that we all have the potential for cancerous cells in 12 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:51,880 our body all the time. Our cells are constantly 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,400 creating new cells and dying off like it's a very natural process 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,280 in the body. So a cancer cell is just an 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,280 abnormal cell. It divides uncontrollably and 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,320 it's just doesn't do all of the normal things that a normal cell 17 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:10,360 will do, including that cell death that I was just talking 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,880 about, which in scientific terms is called apoptosis. 19 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,840 If you've ever heard that word before. 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,480 Cancer cells avoid this natural death process that our cells go 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,040 through. I don't know how many times we 22 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,400 hear all these different statistics online, like every 23 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,000 seven years. You're a completely new person 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,680 because every cell in your body has changed. 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,800 But cancer cells don't do that. They stick around. 26 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,040 They they're abnormal. And there are lots of reasons 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,680 why these cancer cells may not be detected by the immune 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,240 system. The immune system is suppressed, 29 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:49,560 whether that is from some other form of sickness, you know, poor 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,920 metabolic function, immune suppressing drugs, lots of 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,720 different things could be going on. 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:02,440 And when cancer cells have this opportunity to just continue to 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,720 reproduce, which is what they do, they just keep keep 34 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,560 splitting and creating new cells uncontrollably. 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,320 The immune system isn't keeping that in check. 36 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,080 That's when we have problems. These are also cells that like 37 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,080 to migrate around the body. So even though I actually have 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,520 friend, he is 90 years old, he's had cancer twice. 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,440 And what's really interesting is that he had breast cancer. 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Like, I don't, I want to say like 30 years ago he had breast 41 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,160 cancer and they're still finding breast cancer cells in his body, 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,320 but in other places in his body. It's really, really wild. 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:43,680 And so today's guest is someone who has done research unlike 44 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,800 anyone else who has created a test. 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,360 It is both an in you could get this done like in office, or you 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,080 can do this at home. And it has a is it is it correct 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:04,360 that it's a 90% correct rate of being able to tell if a dog has 48 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,320 cancer or potential, some sort of potential for cancer? 49 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:13,920 So Chan Nam Gong, he created Oncotecht is the test. 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,560 And I want to welcome Chan on to the pet parenting reset. 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,160 Thank you so much for being here with us. 52 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Hey, thanks for having me, Jessica. 53 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,840 I really appreciate it. Yeah, I'm really excited to talk 54 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,440 to you about this because I have to be honest that when I first 55 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,360 talked to you and you sent me a test, I was like, no big deal, 56 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,000 I'm good, my dog's healthy. And then I sent the test in and 57 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,800 the e-mail came into my my inbox and it said, your test results 58 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,160 are ready. And I was like, I don't want to 59 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,760 open that. And it was fine. 60 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Like she she was fine. It said that there's no alarm, 61 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,560 no cause for alarm for my particular dog, but she is. 62 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,600 She's going to be 11 this or this month, actually, she's 63 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,480 going to be 11. And I mean, I think she's pretty 64 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,360 healthy, but I also, she was 2 1/2 when I adopted her and she's 65 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,480 eaten the absolute best foods the entire time I've had her. 66 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,280 But I don't know what happened that first like 2 1/2 years of 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,440 life. There's obviously genetic 68 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,279 factors. So can you tell me just a little 69 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,360 bit about you, about the research that you did and 70 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,040 creating Oncotech and exactly what it is and how it works? 71 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,840 Yeah, of course. Again, thanks for having me to 72 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,480 share my story and Uncle Tech story with your audience. 73 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,200 So Oncotech is, is a proactive cancer screening test for dogs. 74 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:45,880 Like you said, preventing cancer in in dogs or even humans is is 75 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:48,400 it's very difficult, almost impossible. 76 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,720 We know certain factors that can cause cancer, but we don't know 77 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,520 any, we don't know all about it. So really your best strategy is 78 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,720 to find it early and treat it quickly. 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,080 And that's what we do in human medicine, right At certain age 80 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,280 you do cancer screening tests and, and if should you have any 81 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,760 risk factors, then you do further diagnostic tests. 82 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,120 And from there you do, you know, and if you find cancer, cancer 83 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,400 is treatable, you know, many people don't know that cancer is 84 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,040 absolutely treatable. And what we have done is what we 85 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,960 have discovered is it is scientifically proven that 86 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,280 cancer cells produce a very particular smell that's 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,400 different from normal cells produced. 88 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,760 So I'm sure you've heard that, you know, how dogs are able to 89 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,280 detect cancer in human medicine through a smell. 90 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,600 And that's because cancer cells produce a particular smell and 91 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:48,920 they can be trained to respond differently to, you know, to the 92 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,160 patients that have, you know, cancer cells, a higher, you 93 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,200 know, amount of cancer cells and patients they don't. 94 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,000 So what we are using is what we have discovered is they're these 95 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,600 small nematodes called C elegans, and they're known to 96 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,160 have very high sensible olfactory receptors. 97 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,200 And they are known to respond differently to urine samples 98 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,320 that contain cancerous metabolites, cancerous vital 99 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,880 organic compounds and urine samples that don't. 100 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:22,040 So we have developed a process and an analysis where we can use 101 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:28,560 these worms to categorize dogs in three different categories, 102 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,280 low, moderate and high risk of cancer. 103 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,160 So what we are measuring is the amount of cancers metabolites in 104 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,480 dog's urine. And based on that, the 105 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,560 measurement, we can say, hey, this dog, your dog is at a low 106 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,200 risk of cancer at present time, your dog is moderate risk or 107 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,320 high risk of cancer. Our test is not a genetic test. 108 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,080 It is a, it is a, it's a test that can tell you whether your 109 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,720 dog is, is a, prone to having cancer. 110 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,640 It's not that it's like, hey, your dog is, is at risk of 111 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,160 cancer or not at risk of cancer. So I started this company back 112 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,680 in 2019. It's been about almost five 113 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 years. We've done a lot of research and 114 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,880 development. We have a pen pending on our 115 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,280 process on our technology. We are based in Raleigh, NC. 116 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,360 We work closely with North Carolina State University 117 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,440 veterinary school, but we are not affiliated with NC State, 118 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,760 but our lab is located near NC State. 119 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,240 And you know, we introduced our first commercial product about 120 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 two years ago and we only worked with local hospitals at the 121 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,720 beginning. But last October anniversary, 122 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,800 this is actually this month is our actually first year 123 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,400 anniversary. We launched a kit that that that 124 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,960 you use last October. So now we are able to work with 125 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:52,160 hospitals across the country as well as consumers, pet owners 126 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,440 directly off through our website. 127 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Wow. So tell me again, So these are 128 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,760 worm worms, but they're like tiny little things that we can't 129 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,120 see, right? No, they're microscopic 130 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,160 nematodes and, and see elegance is believe it or not, is very 131 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,240 widely used in the world of science and biology. 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,760 It is actually the very first genetic has gone through the DNA 133 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,920 sequencing. So we know everything about 134 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,400 these worms and, and it's used in pharmacology, oncology, 135 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,480 biology. I mean it's used widely used in, 136 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,960 in the world of biology. We are using these worms for 137 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,840 different application. They're known to have a very 138 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:42,200 high sense of smell of factory receptors and and they what we 139 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,800 have discovered is that they respond differently to urine 140 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,960 samples that contain higher amount of cancerous metabolites 141 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:50,840 than urine samples that don't. How? 142 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,440 How do they normally act and how do they respond differently? 143 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,440 Well, sure. So when we when we run these 144 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,520 analysis on Aggar plates, they actually are attracted to urine 145 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,640 samples that contain cancerous metabolites. 146 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,800 So they literally migrate towards urine samples. 147 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:12,600 So we run these very sensitive assays where we run 6 replicates 148 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,880 because we want to make sure that each result is reputable 149 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,320 and replicable and we get a mean average. 150 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,000 And we actually, there's a specific calculation you do to, 151 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,640 to determine their preference. Hey, are, are these ones 152 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,120 actually preferred to move towards urine samples or are 153 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,480 they not? And based on that, the mean 154 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,600 average of that chemo Texas value, we have our proprietary 155 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,640 index where based on the value we can categorize dogs as low, 156 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,920 moderate and high risk. And we've done this test 157 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,840 analysis and we actually got a paper published in a peer review 158 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,880 journal for veterinary science. Wow. 159 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,960 So I was very, very pleased when I did finally open the e-mail 160 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,920 and it said low. And I was like, I can breathe 161 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,000 again. I was surprised honestly, 162 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,320 because like I said, I sent it off and I'm like, no big deal, 163 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,640 She's got this, No, no worries. But then the e-mail came and I 164 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,440 was like, Oh my gosh, this is, I was not expecting to feel like 165 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,440 this. So, and that is actually one of 166 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,480 the reasons why at first I was like, Oh my gosh, I don't even 167 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,800 know, like what is the application for a test like 168 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,520 this? Because you convinced me, 169 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,160 obviously, but and I want you to, to, to talk about that. 170 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,720 But at first I, you know, being somebody that works one-on-one 171 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,000 with, with pet parents, I'm like, I don't want to like stoke 172 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,680 the flames. I don't want to start throwing 173 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,040 around the C word when it's not necessary. 174 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,880 I don't want to like freak people out and be like, Oh my 175 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,560 gosh, this lady thinks my dog has can't. 176 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:51,400 Like, I don't, I don't want to say that, but at the same time 177 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,680 there are certain breeds of dogs that are more predisposed to 178 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:57,680 cancer. There are, yeah, I can, I can 179 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:03,120 think of a number of ways. One in particular is that on on 180 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:08,680 the holistic side of what we do, if a, if a dog or a cat has some 181 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:12,880 sort of lump or growth on them, I and some other people that do 182 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,640 what I do would prefer to actually not aspirate because 183 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,040 there is also evidence that just poking a needle in something is 184 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,880 going to agitate whatever is going on. 185 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,200 And if it is cancerous, then it could potentially cause it to 186 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,080 spread. So I could see in cases like 187 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,280 that where, OK, let's do this test and find out without having 188 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,720 to do the aspirate, without having to agitate, you know, 189 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,040 those cells and and what's going on inside of the body. 190 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,480 But for you like, what are the primary applications? 191 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,160 No, absolutely. So let me kind of step back and 192 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,240 then I'll, I'll kind of explain the research you've done first. 193 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,600 So we've primarily studied the four most common treatable 194 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,520 canine cancers, so lymphoma, Melanoma, having your sarcoma, 195 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,280 mast cell tumors. And our accuracy was it's, it's 196 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,080 you said 90% which is which is true. 197 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,960 But to be more specific, it's 83% sensitivity, which is true 198 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,320 positive and 96% specificity, which is true negative. 199 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,800 So no test is perfect. Even ultrasounds, X-rays, can 200 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,760 you know miss cancer diagnosis. So no test is perfect. 201 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,000 But as far as I know, our test is, is the best in class as far 202 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,360 as accuracy goes. So we are very proud of what 203 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,720 we've done. So among those four common, you 204 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,880 know, most treatable canine cancers, those things, those 205 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,960 four cancers are absolutely treatable, right? 206 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,080 If you find early enough, you can treat these cancers. 207 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,520 And that's really the, the purpose of, you know, early 208 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,840 screening, right? If you find it early enough that 209 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,160 you can treat it, we, how many times have you heard that? 210 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,800 You know, I found out my dog was diagnosed cancer and, you know, 211 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,200 put my dog down on same day or next day or even within a week, 212 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,680 right? The reason cancer is the leading 213 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:07,760 cause of death in dogs is because of most often too late 214 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,880 diagnosis. We just find out too late and 215 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,040 the things that we do to find whether our dog has cancer or 216 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,720 not is through, you know, diagnostic tests or X-rays, 217 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,320 ultrasounds or biopsies. But they're invasive and they're 218 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,040 expensive. It's not something they can do 219 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,400 every year or every six months. Let's see if you have, you know, 220 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,680 high risk doll breeds that you just can't afford to spend, you 221 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,520 know, five, $600.00 every six months or every year just for 222 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,440 these diagnostic tests. That's what we created this, you 223 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,800 know, non invasive cancer screening test so it can be more 224 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,760 proactive and preventative. We've done thousands of these 225 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,080 tests with, you know, consumers directly, but with hospitals and 226 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,880 and we have three types of door owners that we help. 227 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,600 The 1st is people that want to go over and beyond anything, 228 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,520 everything they can do to keep their dog health and safe, 229 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,320 including cancer treatment. The second type is people that 230 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,680 may not necessarily want to put their dogs through cancer 231 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:07,960 treatment because of age, invasiveness, or cost, but they 232 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,360 still want to find out because there are things they can do to 233 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,240 provide better quality of life through supplements, mushrooms, 234 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,400 CVDLS, palliative cares, or just giving them more favorite 235 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,040 treats. And this is actually where 236 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,920 holistic vets have more options for this category. 237 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,240 They have, there are more options to manage or treat 238 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,200 cancer. And the third type is really the 239 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,040 majority of our customers, which I think you also belong in this 240 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,640 category, is that they just want to get Peace of Mind because so 241 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,680 many dog owners have lost your dog to cancer before in a sudden 242 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,280 devastating way that they weren't mentally or emotionally 243 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,120 prepared for it. And they definitely don't want 244 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,400 to repeat that experience. So they want to be more 245 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,240 proactive and more preventative in their dog's health. 246 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,040 So I know it can be nerve breaking to find out whether 247 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:56,520 your dog has cancer or not but it is in what we have found is 248 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,040 people rather know earlier than too late and then have a regrets 249 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,960 of what I could have done or should have. 250 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,560 Done. Yeah. 251 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,560 It's interesting that you say that because I was actually just 252 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:13,160 getting ready to record a Reel for Instagram and TikTok on just 253 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:19,000 that topic because I had a cat who recently passed away very, 254 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:24,840 very quickly on set. Like within a few months of like 255 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,760 he had blood work done, everything looked good. 256 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:33,280 And within a few months he fractured his leg and I got it 257 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,360 X-rayed and it was osteosarcoma. And I'm like, this happened so 258 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,560 quickly. And one of the things that I was 259 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:46,480 thinking about is that, OK, we know we can, we can know that 260 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,800 there is a higher probability of cancer with a test like this non 261 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,880 invasive, as you were saying, much less expensive than a lot 262 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,800 of those very invasive tests. And we can then make the 263 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,640 decision to say, you know what, I know what it is now. 264 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,080 OK, let's do treatment or I know what it is now. 265 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,840 So I'm going to continue monitoring the symptoms. 266 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,080 I'm going to make adjustments in their food and their supplements 267 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,360 and I'm going to monitor their quality of life. 268 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,760 And that's my goal. And so when we know we can kind 269 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,800 of adjust those goal, goal posts that we have. 270 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,840 Well, knowing it is your first battle, right? 271 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,000 You got to know first before you can do anything. 272 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,120 So, you know, it's always, you know, the screening, diagnosis 273 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,760 and treatment. It's we just hear, you know, 274 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,000 diagnosing a cancer is like a putting a puzzle together. 275 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,920 There's no one test that can tell you everything. 276 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,320 You got to bring different pieces of information from 277 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,800 different tests and different, you know, you got to kind of 278 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,360 look at it at a holistic, you know, holistic view. 279 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,880 And you know, these diagnostic tests can miss it. 280 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Even, you know, we've heard many vets sometimes miss it. 281 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,160 I mean, our test again is not perfect either, but you got to 282 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,680 bring different pieces of information together to look at 283 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,119 a kind of big picture. And, and that's why I think 284 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,640 proactive screening is so important because you don't want 285 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,040 to put yourself behind the 8 ball where you just, you know, 286 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,720 by the time you find out like you just have you, you don't 287 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,440 have any options to do anything. So that's where our our test 288 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,160 comes in. Yeah. 289 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,079 And that is so true what you said earlier that oftentimes by 290 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,840 by the time we as pet parents find out it is so late in the 291 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,840 game that yeah, there probably are some things we still could 292 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,560 do. But for me at least, I am going 293 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,320 to take the animals quality of life into consideration first 294 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,640 and foremost above anything else. 295 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,920 And that's something that I personally have learned with 296 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,000 age. Like I have had so many pets 297 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:57,320 over my lifetime at this point. And I just lost my cat Romeo. 298 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,000 He was the 8th cat, that or the 8th pet that I've lost. 299 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,440 And so having been through this so many times, not all of them 300 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,560 were cancer, but having been through this so many times, I 301 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,360 can definitely say like earlier on in my life, I was just like, 302 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:17,040 I want to do any and everything, whatever is available. 303 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,760 Let's do it like, I don't, you know, go into debt. 304 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,920 It doesn't matter, you know what I mean? 305 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,640 That kind of thing. And now I am, I'm still that I 306 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,680 still have that mindset of like, I don't care what it costs. 307 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,440 They're my family, but I am putting their quality of life 308 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:39,760 over and above everything else. And I think this kind of test 309 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,280 and not obviously we want to be able to know ahead of time and 310 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:49,680 be proactive and, and know as quickly as possible that there 311 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,880 are concentrated amounts of these. 312 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,680 What did you call them? Cancer Metabolites. 313 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,200 Yeah, cancerous metabolites. Because we can get on top of it, 314 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:05,160 but it can also give us Peace of Mind when it comes back and it 315 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,360 says hello. Sure. 316 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:10,040 I mean, if you like you said, if you want to have options, you 317 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,120 have to know first, right? Because if you don't know, 318 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,160 you're not going to have any options later. 319 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,440 Yeah. So these are these tests are 320 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,480 available like there are some veterinarians that are already 321 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,400 using these tests and it's also available directly to pet 322 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,200 parents, correct? Yeah. 323 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,760 So we work with over our test is available at over 150 veterinary 324 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,800 hospitals in the country and we are adding more every week. 325 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,240 It just add, you know, we we like to onboard one veterinarian 326 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,040 like one at a time personally. So I'd make all the personal 327 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,960 personal presentation to them and I onboard them personally 328 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,040 because I think it's important that they understand what it is 329 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,040 that they're offering. But also we because of our test 330 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,280 is only available at 150 that hospitals, we wanted to make it 331 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,600 available to anyone to purchase it online. 332 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,080 And then urine collection process is surprisingly not as 333 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,680 difficult when you have the right tools. 334 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,600 And that's what we provide. We provide, you know, just small 335 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,440 little tools that do you need to collect small amount of urine 336 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,280 sample at home. And surprisingly, you know, we 337 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,400 actually really get rarely get any complaints or any, you know, 338 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,280 questions about, Hey, I can't collect urine sample because 339 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,160 it's. You know, if right tools it's 340 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,480 not too difficult and all we need is very small amount and 341 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,640 then they mail it in and as part of their activation process, we 342 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,640 ask all pet owners to put in their Venerian information so 343 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,200 that we can auto share that information with their Venerian. 344 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Like we are on the same page. We want we want to work with 345 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,560 Venerians and we want everyone kind of the care team be on the 346 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,720 same page. So we auto share the reports and 347 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,560 if they have any questions, they can always come to us for any, 348 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,320 you know, questions or recommendations. 349 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:01,000 But our, our report is very well structured and I I'm sure you've 350 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,440 seen it each in it shows you know what the next step should 351 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,120 be, what the suggests. You know, you know, suggestions 352 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:11,520 are based on, you know, the low, moderate, high risk and you 353 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,600 know, we work really well with veterinarians. 354 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,880 We initially we thought that we were going to get a lot of 355 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,080 pushback from veterinarians, but you know, believe it or not, 356 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,720 they actually really like the fact that, you know, we're able 357 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,720 to do this on their behalf and they really appreciate what we 358 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,920 what the work we're doing. Well, and yet I can imagine 359 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,520 that. Well, first of all, we know 360 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,200 that, you know, veterinarians go into this field because they 361 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,120 love animals and. They're absolutely. 362 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,120 The quicker the sooner that they know that their patient could 363 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,920 potentially have a cancer diagnosis, the easier their job 364 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,520 is. That's right and it is non 365 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,480 invasive which is the best possible outcome for the pet. 366 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,800 You know, normal, so like blood panel or like urine now urine 367 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,840 analysis that you know they do, you know every, you know, six 368 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,480 months or 12 months. Those tests are great at 369 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,400 picking, you know, you know, the typical disease or typical 370 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,880 health issues, but they're not designed to pick up cancer. 371 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,160 So that's why we miss cancer diagnosis all the time, even if 372 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,040 we do blood work or urinalysis. So we, so you need a specific 373 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,760 test that's designed to pick up these different biomarkers that, 374 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,200 that cause cancer or they are, you know, the, the risk of 375 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,080 cancer. So that's what we, what we 376 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,120 design and, and this, our test is, is complement to what they 377 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,720 already are doing. It's not, you know, not 378 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,680 replacing what they're doing. It's a complement to what 379 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,160 they're doing. And it can only help them, you 380 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,600 know, get ahead of, you know, the risk that they may face 381 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,760 potentially. And, and we want to, our goal is 382 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,240 to at the end of our goal is to bring these dogs back to 383 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:04,160 Venerians so they can, you know, really do provide, you know, 384 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,600 more for their diagnostic tests or consultations. 385 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,520 And, and we always say our test is a, is a proactive screening 386 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,640 test, not a complementary diagnostic test. 387 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,560 And our results must be confirmed and and consulted with 388 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,680 Venerian well. Yeah, that makes sense. 389 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,680 But still I, I think that Peace of Mind and I, I think I like, I 390 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,000 only think that really because I got that e-mail and I was like, 391 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,040 no. And then I saw low and I'm like, 392 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,800 like, I feel like I can breathe now. 393 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,320 But so this is just for dogs, right? 394 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,720 It's not. It doesn't work the same. 395 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,960 For cats right now, but we do have a plan to start developing 396 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,760 a test for cats next. You know it theoretically it 397 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,880 should work for cats, but you know they're during collection 398 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,080 process is a little bit different than dogs, especially 399 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,320 doing it at home. So that's something that we have 400 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,480 to logistically figure it out, but it's only for dogs right 401 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,200 now. Yeah, the I, I definitely have, 402 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,760 I've had some cats that I can literally just like take like a 403 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,200 little ramekin and go right up underneath of them and they're 404 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,680 fine. And other cats would just like 405 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,120 run out of the litter box if I did that. 406 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,120 And I have this is absolutely no way sponsored, but there is a 407 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,640 hydrophobic litter out there that you might want to look at 408 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:33,720 partnering with the sure because the reality is that cats cats 409 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,360 get veterinary care far less than that. 410 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,360 That's right. Yeah. 411 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,000 It's it's a such a hassle of stress for owners and and the 412 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,320 pet. It is and I have never been that 413 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,920 person. I'm going to be completely 414 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,720 honest, I have, I would probably be like a millionaire right now 415 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,760 if I didn't have pets in my life because my, I believe me. 416 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,400 I've, I have given it all to veterinarians in my lifetime 417 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,160 with the number of animals that I have had. 418 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:07,440 But yeah, I feel like this could be almost even more beneficial 419 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,840 for cat parents because they don't get their cats into the 420 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,000 veterinarian's office as frequently as and cats are just 421 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,400 as susceptible. And honestly, I'm just thinking 422 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,840 these things through as I'm talking to you. 423 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,600 I have had multiple cats now that were diagnosed with IBD, 424 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,440 which is not really a diagnosis, but that's what veterinarians 425 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,440 diagnose. You know, Western Med 426 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,440 veterinarians diagnose. And I have done multiple 427 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,680 podcasts on this with like the two crazy cat ladies and talking 428 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,160 about my experience, they often times with cats will not test 429 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,080 further and say, OK, it's it's IBD. 430 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920 We think it's IBD, but also it could be small bowel lymphoma. 431 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,080 But we're going to treat it the same. 432 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,440 So why go through the extra diagnostics, blah, blah, blah. 433 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,120 And this could be like really, really beneficial. 434 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,240 Yeah, we definitely think that we should have a test for cats 435 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,480 and we get a lot of, you know, people asking about it. 436 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,760 So we are definitely thinking about developing a test for cats 437 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,200 for. Sure. 438 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,280 Yeah. So why did you develop this 439 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,040 test? How did you figure this out? 440 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080 And like do you have, did you have a dog with camp? 441 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,320 How did this happen? Yeah. 442 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,600 So no, I didn't have a dog with the cancer, but I, my mom was 443 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,960 diagnosed with breast cancer about 778 years ago. 444 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,240 She's healthy now. She's fine. 445 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,320 She's been great. But during that process, I had 446 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,200 an opportunity to read a lot of cancer related journals and, you 447 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,200 know, papers. And that's when I came across 448 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:41,480 this science or discovery where these small nematodes can detect 449 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,960 cancer in human medicine first. So, you know, as I was doing 450 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,880 more research, I couldn't believe that this is back in 451 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,200 2019. And I couldn't believe that 452 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,640 cancer was the leading cause of death in dogs. 453 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,280 But there were there weren't any screening tests available for 454 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240 dogs or cats or companion animals. 455 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,520 And I thought that just that thought that was just crazy. 456 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,640 And I've heard how dogs were used to take cancer in human 457 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840 medicine, but the reason why we don't use dogs to take cancer in 458 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320 human medicine is because it's just not. 459 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320 It's not possible to scale that operations. 460 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,640 It's just extremely expensive to train dogs to carry out those 461 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000 tasks, and they can lead to so many. 462 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,360 So I thought maybe we can create a platform. 463 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:30,320 We're using these worms to take cancer in in venere medicine and 464 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,960 we can scale this and that's how I started business. 465 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200 Well, I'm really glad that your mother is doing better. 466 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,000 That's it's so interesting, like the things that happen. 467 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320 I was just talking to Emily Stein, who created teeth. 468 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,640 It's a water additive for dental health. 469 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,240 And it was her grandmother who like she had rheumatoid 470 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,160 arthritis so bad she couldn't even brush her teeth. 471 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,960 And it was it's just amazing, like the paths we go down 472 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,600 because of the things that that happened in our lives. 473 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,280 Well, so if somebody wanted to learn more about this, wanted to 474 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,440 see, I actually, gosh, they're on your website. 475 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 I thought I had it pulled up, but maybe I didn't. 476 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:30,520 There is a a graphic of the the dogs that like the dog breeds, 477 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:36,360 top dog breeds that are like most predisposed to cancer. 478 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,360 So if people are interested in finding out like is their dog on 479 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,640 that list or you know, they can, Oh, here it is. 480 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240 I have it right here. So, oh, and you have it listed 481 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,800 out by those mast cell tumors, bone cancer, lymphoma, 482 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,800 hemangiosarcoma and Melanoma, which Melanoma which says all 483 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,800 breeds, But so the other four, mast cell bone cancer, lymphoma 484 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,800 and hemangiosarcoma. And what I find is that there's 485 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,400 so much misunderstanding with cancer and treatments for cancer 486 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,200 and how it all works that like that. 487 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,840 To me, that's another reason to be as proactive as possible, to 488 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,480 stay on top of it and find out as quickly as possible so you 489 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280 have the time to do the research. 490 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,320 Because a lot of times we wind up in the veterinarian's office, 491 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,360 our dog is crashing, we're freaking out, we have anxiety. 492 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440 Our dog is like, you know, in bad shape. 493 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,720 And our veterinarian is like, this is wrong and this is wrong, 494 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720 this is wrong. And here's the, you know, it's 495 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600 going to be $10,000 and we need to do this right now, blah, 496 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,120 blah, blah. And it's like you don't, you 497 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,360 don't have time to take a breath, much less research like, 498 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,280 OK, this is the diagnosis. These are the symptoms that, you 499 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,680 know, my dog does have these and some that they don't have. 500 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720 And what is that? You know, doing all of that 501 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,000 takes time. And to be able to have that time 502 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280 to do the research, to not feel like you're in that position 503 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,280 where you're being forced to like, make this huge decision 504 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,960 immediately while you're in this heightened state of anxiety like 505 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,320 that is just like the worst. To me, don't, don't make any 506 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,880 important decisions when you're in, you know, when you're, you 507 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760 know, in that, you know, state of mind, right? 508 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240 Yeah, yeah. And we feel like we have to, 509 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,440 especially if like our dog is crashing. 510 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600 So I get it. Like I empathize because I've 511 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200 been in similar not for cancer, but for other, I've been in 512 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,160 similar situations. And it's like, you know, so to 513 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,840 stay on top of things that the more we know, the better we can 514 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,600 do, the more preventative care we can give to our pets and 515 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600 ourselves and the. Thing aren't they're beginning 516 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,000 to have more tests available like this in human space. 517 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,760 A blood test there. I know there's a test called 518 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,560 grail that's available that's based on the based on blood 519 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920 that's that's available. And there are a few other tests 520 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,480 that are available, but Cologuard is is a has based on 521 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,440 using stool before, you know, colon cancer. 522 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960 The grail is a test is a multi cancer detection test in human 523 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,640 space. So these you know, pre 524 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,960 screening, proactive screening, multi cancer detection is it is 525 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,960 it is becoming more I don't know, it's really not popular, 526 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,360 but becoming more available to in human space, but also in in 527 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560 been there space as well. But. 528 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,520 You're, you're the only company that does this test and make it 529 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,520 available to pet owners directly because it is based on urine. 530 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280 And then that's really by design, you know, from the, from 531 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320 the gecko. We wanted to develop a test that 532 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320 can be available, you know, really make it available, 533 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:09,680 affordable, simple, convenient for for pet parents as opposed 534 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920 to you having to go to the, you know, vet and get the blood 535 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600 drone and, you know, just kind of take that, you know, 536 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960 inconvenience out of the out of, you know, the equation. 537 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Yeah, and the technology is just so fascinating to me. 538 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920 Yeah. So fascinating. 539 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,400 So if a pet parent does want to know more, if they want to learn 540 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,960 more about your company, about where, where can they find this 541 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,760 information? All the information they they 542 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,480 want to learn is all on our website. 543 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,120 Our papers published paper is available on our website. 544 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,360 Everything that I've, you know, shared today is, is all 545 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440 available on the website. Of course, if they have any 546 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,920 additional or specific questions, they can reach out to 547 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,520 us via e-mail or our online chat. 548 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560 We're very responsive, which are respond to any requests or 549 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760 questions within, you know, 12 to 1224 hours. 550 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,800 So we are very responsive and yeah, everything they want to 551 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400 learn is is available on our website. 552 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,440 That's awesome. So that will be LinkedIn, the 553 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560 show notes. But if you're just like driving 554 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:25,520 and listening, it's Oncotech, ONCOTEC, t.co is where you can 555 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200 get all of that information and then follow them on social 556 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840 media, which I think you have Facebook and. 557 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,600 Facebook, Instagram, everything perfect. 558 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000 All of the places. Follow them on whichever 559 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,200 platform that you hang out on. Instagram is my favorite as you 560 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440 guys know. Our website is really the best 561 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680 place to find all the detail information. 562 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,800 Perfect, and you can order the test there as well. 563 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000 That's right. Awesome. 564 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,520 Well, Chan, thank you so very much for your time for doing 565 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,400 this, for putting this together. That seems like so much research 566 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,960 and I'm. Thank you. 567 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160 So many years in a lab, I'm sure. 568 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,239 A lot of resources. And somebody's going to do it, 569 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,080 so why not you? Thank you for that. 570 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,719 Do you have any pets now? No, I, I have 3 kids. 571 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520 I have three young kids. So you know, we we don't have 572 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,960 the the bandwidth or capacity to have pets right now. 573 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,159 Gotcha. Well, at least you have a place 574 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,480 in your heart for them. Yes, I did have dogs growing up, 575 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,480 but not right now. Yeah, they're amazing. 576 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,840 So, well, thank you for what you do guys. 577 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,360 Go check out Oncotech ONCOTECT and all of those links will be 578 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,400 available on the in the show notes on the website at the pet 579 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920 parentingreset.com. As always, if you have any 580 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,400 follow up questions, you can obviously reach out to Oncotech. 581 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,120 You can also send me a DM on Instagram. 582 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,320 I'd love to help you out. And yeah, with that, I'm gonna 583 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,720 go ahead and say thank you again and goodbye to our listeners if 584 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,240 you have any parting words for them. 585 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,160 No, thank you for having me sharing our story and I look 586 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560 forward to, you know, speaking with you again and I'm sure 587 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,360 seeing you in different, you know, conferences or shows when 588 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,720 the but thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. 589 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,240 Absolutely. All right, guys, you have a 590 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,360 great rest of your week and I will see you next week.