1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,040 We're talking about tariffs today. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,480 This is a big topic in my opinion. 3 00:00:06,560 --> 00:00:07,880 I mean. We're not going to get 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,600 political. Yeah, that's what you were 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,000 hoping for. No. 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,000 That's not happening. I like to keep my politics close 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,600 to my heart, kind of like my cocktails. 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Right here, cocktails. I keep them right here, right 9 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,920 here. We're only I can enjoy them, OK? 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,480 But it is a thing I mean. Political thing, it is going to 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,520 affect all of us. It, it is, but I think I think 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,880 you and I, at least I don't know about people watching or people 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,120 who may comment on this either live or once it's posted, can 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,800 try to remain unbiased, but I think you and I are I, I think 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,640 we do a pretty good job of that. So hopefully that will come 16 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,280 across because it really does not matter what your political 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,320 viewpoint is one way or the other, this is what's happening. 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,400 So we need to understand it and be able to respond as best we 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,360 can. And I will say, I'm going to let 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,960 you kind of start things off today if you don't mind, Isabel, 21 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:22,240 because I have, I have a hopeful outlook on this that I am going 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:27,440 to share closer to the end of of the podcast today. 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,440 So I don't know how hopeful I am about this. 24 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,800 Well, I mean, we all know what tariffs are. 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,480 Tariffs are taxes on goods that are brought in from another 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,440 country. Initially, the tariff war was 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,880 against pretty much every single country that in any way ships 28 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,840 goods to the United States. Then those countries were like, 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 well, if you're going to tear off us, we're going to tear off 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,600 you. And then it just turned into 31 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,400 this, unfortunately, even if people are playing. 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,280 Politics last year Oh, I lost you on. 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,680 Yeah, I see it. I see it weird. 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,680 I think we're coming back. Are you? 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,400 It's not me, OK? We'll see. 36 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:20,880 Sorry guys on Facebook and YouTube. 37 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,800 Yeah, so weird, but. Yeah, well, hang on, I don't 38 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,520 want to. If I refresh my screen I might 39 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,920 leave, I don't know. It says that I don't have 40 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:36,880 Internet, but I have Internet, says my collect. 41 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:40,120 My connection's unstable, but I have a feeling that stream yard. 42 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:47,040 So I hear like when we're doing doing this, the way I listen to 43 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,160 you is through Stream Yard. And so OK, wait, you're going 44 00:02:52,120 --> 00:03:02,760 now you're gone everywhere. Technical difficulties. 45 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,320 How about this? So weird. 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,560 I'm here. Can you see me? 47 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Do you see me? OK, I see you on Instagram. 48 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,920 I don't see you on stream Yard at all. 49 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,920 Yeah, we're going to have to do that again. 50 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:21,160 I think it's Stream Yard. OK, you want to try to start 51 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,840 that over or do you? I'm I'm still to me, it still 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,720 shows we're live on stream yard, but I'm the only one in the 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 stream. How? 54 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,840 I don't know. I can get out. 55 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,160 No, no, no, if you want me to get out. 56 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,280 Don't, don't, don't, OK? There you are. 57 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,880 OK, sorry. Guys, I don't know what just 58 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,000 happened. That was so weird. 59 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,520 My little like the Wi-Fi sign on my phone and everything was 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,560 fine, but then everything was just crashing. 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,680 So I don't know, maybe we have people trying to shut us up 62 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,120 about tariffs and pet products. Maybe. 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,960 So anyway, the problem with playing politics, which is not 64 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,720 just our administration, it's like the whole world, is that 65 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,920 all of a sudden people get scared, right? 66 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:09,440 So the manufacturer gets scared, the retailer gets scared, the 67 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,840 worker gets scared, the stock market gets scared. 68 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,440 So if you're retiring soon, I apologize for you. 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,959 I feel bad for you because I know that that's affected a lot 70 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,079 of portfolios because everybody's playing politics. 71 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:26,360 And, you know, the reality is not we in the United States 72 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,480 cannot make everything that we get abroad, especially not this 73 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,680 quickly, right? Like, so like the problem with 74 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,000 tariffs is in the short term, they cause all sorts of 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,040 craziness. Whether or not they're good in 76 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,960 the long term is for an economist to speak on, not me. 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,440 I did study economics. I have a minor in economics, but 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,000 I will not speak to that. I will say though, that I have 79 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,560 spoken to a couple of people in the pet industry who are making 80 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,800 their own products. One of them is a poop bag 81 00:04:55,800 --> 00:05:00,080 manufacturer that is scared she just won't be able to compete 82 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,640 anymore. And then I did speak to or hear 83 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:10,680 from a a pet product manufacturer that makes leashes, 84 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:15,600 harnesses, clothing, things like that, and as well is not able to 85 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,480 really operate right now just because of the uncertainty of 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,880 the tariffs. So I'll explain it from the 87 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:25,760 perspective of the poo bags manufacturing poo bags 88 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,720 manufacturing pet products and then we'll talk about just like 89 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,120 packaging and stuff. Initially with the person that I 90 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:38,080 spoke to, it's they, she just isn't, isn't placing orders 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,320 right now because she doesn't know what the cost of the order 92 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,240 will be when it arrives here, right? 93 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,840 So she will have to pass that expense on to the consumer. 94 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,520 And if she raises her prices too much, the consumer just won't 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,360 buy. So right now she's like, I have 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,600 my inventory and that's what I'm selling. 97 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,000 I don't know what comes next for my business if this happens 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,840 because, you know, she's known for her bio landfill, 99 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,000 biodegradable poop bags. And obviously she would have to 100 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,080 take a big pivot. She does sell other things. 101 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,960 So she's and she's like such a badass. 102 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,040 So I'm, I'm not super worried about her, but like, you know, 103 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,000 she gave me the idea that basically her bat, her bags 104 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,560 right now, one of the packages sells for $10. 105 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,200 Based on what's projected, she would have to sell that same 106 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,240 package for $22.00. And the market just can't 107 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,280 withstand that, right? Like people will use their 108 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:38,200 grocery bags before they pay $22.00 for a pack of poo bags. 109 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:42,880 Landfill biodegradable or not. Like it kind of doesn't, it's 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,080 not really relevant anymore. If it's that expensive, it's 111 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,960 like, I can't. So that's that. 112 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,360 And then the second person is also not ordering because the, 113 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,200 the second person who manufacturers pet products gets 114 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,480 all of their fabrics. The the pet products are made 115 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,400 here. The poop bag, the additive that 116 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,320 goes in the poop bag is made in the US, but it's sent to China. 117 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,240 China makes the poop bag, sends it back. 118 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,920 For this pet product manufacturer that I'm referring 119 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,640 to, they get their fabric from abroad and then make the 120 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,440 products here in the US, which is what a lot of people do. 121 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Made in the USA does not exclusively mean, but all 122 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:30,760 products within that line or within that item, every piece of 123 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,920 that item is not necessarily made in the United States. 124 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,920 It's a lot of times assembled in the United States with products 125 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,600 from elsewhere. So in her case, she can't get 126 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,960 fabric at all here for like a reasonable price like in the 127 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,480 United States, fabric that, that at her price point, what she 128 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,040 gets in abroad, it does not exist here in the United States. 129 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,000 So she can't make any more products. 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,800 So again, she's got her products that she has and she's kind of 131 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,680 not importing fabric, not making new inventory. 132 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,560 And So what happens? And I can't speak to either one 133 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,440 of them because I didn't ask them if they were going to raise 134 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,720 their prices on what they have. But the next logical step if you 135 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,800 can't get inventory is to raise your prices on the inventory 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,280 that you do have. So I would assume that not just 137 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,800 them, but everybody who's kind of taking the same stance of 138 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,880 like, let's not make more product, let's not order, let's 139 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,680 wait and see. They might wait and see by 140 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,280 raising their prices on what they already have. 141 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:40,120 So in immediately as consumers, we may see that price increase 142 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:45,240 even if they haven't really paid more for what they have. 143 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,840 We may actually just see it go up just preemptively because as 144 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,240 a business who's been, you know, who has overhead, they have to 145 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,760 continue to pay their staff. They need to continue to pay 146 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,480 their, you know, packaging loan that they may have taken out 147 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,280 like all their, their, their, their warehouses, all the things 148 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,720 that they have to maintain, they need to continue to maintain. 149 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,000 So what they have now is going to have to help cover some of 150 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,600 it. And they'll probably raise the 151 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 price as much as the market can stand, right? 152 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,920 So it might be a few dollars. It might not be, you know, $10 153 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,120 to $22.00, but it might be $10 to 15, I don't know, 13 even. 154 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,880 But it is an increase that we all have to consider. 155 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,640 And then even if you buy a product that is sourced in the 156 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,120 United States, the packaging thing most likely is not. 157 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,760 So packaging starts to become a problem too when we start 158 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,280 talking about food and supplements and things like 159 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,280 that, because most people, even if they're in reporting stuff 160 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,680 from countries that are not going to be tariffs like, you 161 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,800 know, like it's evolved to where now there's like a China thing 162 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,400 specifically. So like now we're not talking 163 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,720 about like New Zealand necessarily or like Europe where 164 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,200 maybe you get some supplements or some like meat. 165 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,440 You're talking about specifically China. 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,840 And you know, the electronics companies like Apple already 167 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,200 made a call and they're not going to be tariffs because we 168 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,720 already know that we can't afford that to happen because 169 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,720 then our economy will be very much affected by that. 170 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,560 But we know that anything that is anything that is packaged in 171 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:31,200 any single way, whether it's a jar of pills, a little bottle 172 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,880 of, of CBD, any kind of packaging that goes around your 173 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:43,480 harness or your leash or the bag of pet food that even, you know, 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,440 vaccines and things like in the medical industry are going to go 175 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,440 up. Because all of those plastic 176 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:55,120 containers for syringes and for blood work and the latex gloves 177 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,280 and things like that, it's all going to go up. 178 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,360 So we're inevitably, even if we're not necessarily buying the 179 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:05,920 the expensive poo bags or in the market for a leash or a harness, 180 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:11,440 everything's going to go up basically because any tariff, 181 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,400 whether it goes into effect or not, scarce manufacturers and it 182 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:24,040 scares retailers. And I mean, and then they pass 183 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,960 it on to the consumer, right? So you know, Walmart is not 184 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,200 going to lose money. So they're going to end up 185 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,680 seeing where they're going to be able to make their profit margin 186 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,320 still, even if the prices go up, very few companies. 187 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,600 And I think that like Target, I think for a while there after 188 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,320 the pandemic, like said, like we are not going to raise prices on 189 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,720 like these 10 critical items. But a lot of this stuff is like 190 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,000 not necessarily critical. It might be comfortable for us 191 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,720 to use and it might be stuff that like we use in our 192 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,160 day-to-day without thinking, but it might not be like milk and 193 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,560 eggs, even though we that's a whole other conversation because 194 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,200 those are already untouchable for most people anyway. 195 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,880 So that is what's happening is that it's not just the tariff, 196 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:15,960 it's the thought of the threat of the potential of a tariff 197 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,920 that is going to affect us and our bottom line as consumers. 198 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:24,520 Everything's going to go up just based on the threat of these 199 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,600 tariffs. So that as a pet parent on a 200 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,840 budget, because I mean, we all have a budget, some of us have 201 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:35,480 really big budgets and some of us have really tiny budgets for 202 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,480 our pets. And some of us have more pets 203 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,880 and some of us have like 1 very spoiled pet. 204 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,040 So whatever your budget is and wherever you are on that 205 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,680 spectrum of like spending, not so spending pet parent, all of 206 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,160 us are going to see a rise. And that's why we wanted to talk 207 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,000 about this, not because it's political, but because we all 208 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,200 need a strategy, right? We all need to know going into 209 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,080 this how our pets are going to be affected. 210 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,040 And we're going to talk about your budget for even veterinary 211 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,240 care and how if you're saving money right now for your vet 212 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,160 bills, you may, I need to save more just in case. 213 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,320 So I think I've done the intro here, but let's let's hand it 214 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,840 over to you. Yeah. 215 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,440 Well, I think, I think you touched on what most people are 216 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,280 thinking about and that is prices increasing. 217 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:29,400 But we also have to realize that a lot of companies, not all, but 218 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,760 a lot of companies may also cut corners. 219 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,040 So it's kind of A2 fold thing that we have to be looking out 220 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,800 for. So, you know, I personally 221 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,640 believe there are some companies that would rather raise prices 222 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,240 than cut corners. Those are the kinds of companies 223 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:57,360 that I I would prefer to support because I want to I want to be 224 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,760 competent in the quality of what I'm giving my pet. 225 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,280 At the same time, I also believe there are companies that will do 226 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,680 both raise prices and cut corners. 227 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,640 And I think we've we see that already happening a lot. 228 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:17,200 I think it was, don't quote me on this, but I want to say it 229 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,800 was pure, it was either Purina or Hills and I think we talked 230 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,840 about this a little bit there. Quarter four, quarter three or 231 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:39,480 quarter 4 for 2024, they increased increased their 232 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,640 revenue and and decrease their cost of sale. 233 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:49,840 So they did both and and we can fully expect to see companies 234 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,320 like that continue to do both. I think that is probably the 235 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,920 worst case scenario. You're paying more for a lesser 236 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,240 quality. To me that is the worst case 237 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,080 scenario. So again, it kind of comes back 238 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,840 to what kind of trust you have in the brands that you're buying 239 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,200 and what kind of transparency that the brands you're 240 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,480 purchasing from have. How accessible are these brands 241 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,240 to you? And granted, for most people, 242 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,000 most people wouldn't have any idea how to even contact a 243 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,280 brand. And I get that. 244 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,000 Like that's just too much. Our bandwidth is like this and 245 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,800 what we need to be doing every day is like this. 246 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:41,680 I get it. So I think I, I think it in the 247 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,400 short term, yes, I think we are going to have a lot of these 248 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,920 issues. And I personally, I'd like, I 249 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,840 feel like we're already, as you said, seeing this like pre 250 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,160 emptive price increase, not pet product related, but I was 251 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:02,880 recently out of town and had to same day buy a piece of luggage 252 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,680 to come back home. And I norm like normally if I'm 253 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,840 buying a piece of luggage, I'm like doing my research was a 254 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,680 good brand. What's going to be a quality, 255 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:16,400 you know what I mean? But I in this like, I need it 256 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,760 today. I'm getting on the plane 257 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,160 tomorrow. I ran into TJ Maxx and I'm 258 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:27,400 looking at these suitcases and I'm like, granted, it's probably 259 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:33,080 been 3:00-ish years since I had something happen where again, 260 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,960 the the last time the airline completely destroyed my suitcase 261 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,080 and I was getting on a cruise ship and I had like an hour to 262 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,720 get somewhere by a suitcase and repack before getting on a 263 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,600 cruise ship. So it's been a few years since 264 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,560 I've shopped for a suitcase at like ATJ Maxx site situation. 265 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,760 But I'm going, I'm walking in looking at like a plain old 266 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,040 like, first of all, we know the same manufacturers making all of 267 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,760 these and sticking different labels on them, right? 268 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,920 But I'm looking at these going, how are you? 269 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:09,119 How is TJ Maxx charging 150 dollars for a suitcase, right? 270 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,800 I'm like, this isn't a quality piece like how how are you 271 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,480 expecting people to pay? And to me I'm like, I don't know 272 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,240 if this has anything to do with these tariffs, but it just so 273 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,359 happens to be like in this time frame. 274 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,040 So my mind went to it's the tariffs, right, because 275 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,800 obviously. Everything's been going up since 276 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,480 the pandemic. Everything has been going up. 277 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Like I remember when we first moved to El Paso, we've been 278 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,480 here 8 years next month and like everything was so affordable 279 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,760 compared to the rest of the country. 280 00:17:40,120 --> 00:17:43,000 And now we're still more affordable in like housing. 281 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,880 I mean it's gone up at least $150,000 for any house you want. 282 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,200 Like back then you could have gotten for 220, now you're 283 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,720 getting it for 370 or whatever or 350. 284 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:58,640 But going out to dinner is now like up, like on par with going 285 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,960 out. Especially if you have. 286 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,200 Kids. You have kids, how are you going 287 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,120 out and. Then everything's gone up. 288 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,640 So that's the problem is we're already without, I mean, 289 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:16,040 literally the the Trump administration ran on the 290 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,520 economy because it was a huge problem like that was, you know 291 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,120 what I mean? Like and they want because the 292 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,680 economy was already a huge problem. 293 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,400 So this is not only due to the tariffs. 294 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:38,680 No, this is just other layer of concern, instability in the 295 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,480 market, blah, blah, blah. And another thing that we need 296 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,640 to consider as pet parents is availability of things, right? 297 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:51,480 Because inevitably when these prices go up, go up, go up, go 298 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,640 up, and like the market can't sustain them even if you are 299 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,600 willing to pay for something. Even if I were willing to pay 300 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:04,560 $20.00 for a pack of 10 poo bags, poo bag rolls, yeah, it 301 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,880 just is not going to exist for me anymore whether I want it or 302 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,080 not. And what happens then is we're 303 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,920 also seeing a business go under and workers end up without jobs 304 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,280 and, you know, somebody's dream coming to an end. 305 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,760 So obviously, like, it's all so connected. 306 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,960 But the reason I wanted to talk about this more than anything is 307 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,240 because of availability. Not only based on your budget, 308 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,440 but also even if you have, you know you're making it rain at 309 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:40,880 the Petco, you may not have that object, that item, that thing 310 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,360 that you want or that your pet depends on. 311 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,920 So if you know right now before decisions are made, if things 312 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,800 haven't risen as much as that, it really makes it impossible 313 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,200 for you to invest in it. Right now might be a time to 314 00:19:55,200 --> 00:20:00,280 stock up on stuff that your pet really depends on whether it's, 315 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:06,000 you know, I don't know, like some kind of CBD supplement 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,200 where you know, it has improved their quality of life and you 317 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,080 want to make sure that they still have it. 318 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,000 Whether it's some kind of food like that you use as a Topper, 319 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,600 like a free, like I use a freeze dried food as a Topper for my 320 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,720 dogs and I and my cat and I want to make sure that I potentially 321 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,840 have something thought of. Maybe not that quality, maybe 322 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,880 like a step down, but something still that I can still use. 323 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:33,640 Because especially if you're like a cat parent and you've 324 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,680 been using fancy food, cats don't transition all that well. 325 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:43,240 So having a plan in place in case there is unavailability, 326 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,240 it's really quite important. And if it's your pets quality of 327 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,280 life depends on this, then I think that it's an important 328 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,160 thing to maybe potentially stock up on if you can, if it doesn't 329 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,600 break you financially, you know, get a few jars or a few bottles 330 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,240 of that CBD or get a few things. Because again, I feel like we're 331 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,520 at a moment right now where people are still this close to 332 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,920 making decisions about their products. 333 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,120 Maybe they haven't yet. Maybe they're like in on May 334 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,960 1st, we're going to figure something out or on May or May 335 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,400 15th, we have to make a decision. 336 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Maybe people, especially small brands, if you support small 337 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,920 brands, they may kind of be like kind of just like taking it all 338 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,080 in and you may still be able to get something at the price that 339 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,760 you're used to. And obviously that's a really 340 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,040 great way to support these businesses, especially if 341 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,000 they're small, so that, you know, maybe they can get past 342 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,640 this tough time because this is, I think this is very temporary. 343 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,480 I think this is obviously like as, as most things have been, I 344 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,440 do think we need to kind of, if you're in the middle class, you 345 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,360 have to realize that our money doesn't go as far as it once 346 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,200 did. So maybe we need to live a 347 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,120 little more frugally. And obviously, if you are 348 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,200 struggling with your pet and feeding your pet, it's only 349 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,040 going to get harder. So now is a good time to be 350 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:12,520 looking at any programs near you like food pantries, things like 351 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,960 that for your pet. Because if you're already 352 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:20,320 struggling, chances are you may have, you know, more struggles 353 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,960 up ahead this summer. People are already struggling. 354 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,680 I saw that the airlines were reducing flights because they 355 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,480 think people are not travelling. I don't know if that's true or 356 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,720 not. I everywhere I go, it's packed 357 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480 with people. So like, I have no idea if 358 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,440 that's the case. But you know, every time that 359 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,280 you see some kind of article like that, it affects some 360 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,560 businesses decision making. Any fear mongering that's going 361 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,080 on around the economy, around tariffs, around anything like 362 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,360 that is going to affect the decisions that these businesses, 363 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,200 especially small businesses make, right? 364 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,080 Like large, huge, multibillion dollar companies have, you know, 365 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,600 their own economists, their own things, their own this, their 366 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,920 own that. They're going to do fine. 367 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,040 They're going to be just fine. The, it's the small businesses, 368 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,440 the community based businesses that are really going to be 369 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,880 struggling and are going to be making decisions and maybe even, 370 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,040 you know, preemptively shutting their doors because they can't 371 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,440 make ends meet. I mean, living in El Paso has 372 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,640 really opened my eyes because I lived in the DC area where like 373 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,400 really the economy has always been booming. 374 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,520 Even in the recession in 2008, the economy was booming, right? 375 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,920 Because it was very, that that area was really kind of 376 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,120 safeguarded by the, the government jobs, federal agents 377 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:36,360 in the area. There was a lot of contractor 378 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:39,280 jobs that were, you know, working with there's, there was 379 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,040 conflict going on. So all of the Boeing's and the, 380 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,400 you know, Ingersoll Rands and all those things were just like 381 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,160 booming over there. So all those government 382 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,000 contractors were fine. Most people work for some 383 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,400 somehow related to the government. 384 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800 So they were OK. And then when I moved to El 385 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,520 Paso, it's like a business opens and within four months it's 386 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,480 gone. And like you try to support this 387 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,160 business, but it was like they can't, they just cannot survive. 388 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,600 And like this environment that we're in right now is only going 389 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,520 to make that more difficult. And we're only going to see more 390 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,720 like big chain stores replace the little guy as they, you 391 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,160 know, flounder in these, in these, in this environment, in 392 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,960 this economy. So if you have a sorry, just if 393 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,800 you have a, a business that you want to support locally, now's 394 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,600 the time to do it if you can, because it will affect them more 395 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,600 than it will Walmart. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. 396 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,960 And I want to, I want to talk on that topic a little bit more, 397 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,560 but to go back a little bit to the supplements and 398 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:47,160 pharmaceuticals specifically. So most pharmaceuticals are made 399 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:53,720 overseas, mostly in China. That is something that has been 400 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,640 a big, so I know it was a big part of the first Trump 401 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,200 administration talk. You know, there were a lot of 402 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,240 talking points about bringing pharmaceuticals back to the USI 403 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:13,160 hope and I, I truly believe again, politics aside, I my 404 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:20,920 hope, especially with the whole thing, you know, the changes in 405 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,960 the Health and Human Services department, is that there is 406 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,840 going to be a big push to bring pharmaceutical manufacturing as 407 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,960 much as I'm again, I'm not a huge, huge fan of the 408 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000 Pharmaceutical industry. Like, let's no be clear on this. 409 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,120 No, I don't. Think anybody likes, If you like 410 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,200 the Pharmaceutical industry, we need to have a child. 411 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,960 You're, I mean, they're like a. They're a state. 412 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,800 Right. They're a necessary evil. 413 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Like that's what they are. And. 414 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,960 That's a masochist, right? You're you're a masochist if you 415 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:49,360 like. Yeah. 416 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,240 Well, I mean, I feel like, I feel like if you, I mean, even 417 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,360 if you're super like pro medicine, moderate, you know, 418 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,400 Western medicine and all that, just, you know, knowing that 419 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,080 you're sick and you need a pill or a shot or something is 420 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,760 already enough to like put us off the Pharmaceutical industry, 421 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480 right. So we all know that like they're 422 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,440 not, they're a necessary evil. I think even they recognize like 423 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200 they really, they really are a necessary evil. 424 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,480 They are. We're saying we rely on them 425 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,200 only when we're saying I'm. Going to say I'm going to say a 426 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,560 semi necessary evil, semi necessary evil. 427 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,920 I think there are cases then when absolutely, you know, we, 428 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,240 we, we want pharmaceuticals. But the right, the United States 429 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,640 uses pharmaceuticals is insanity. 430 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,040 We should not be doing what we're doing. 431 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,280 But at any rate, if you have an animal that does rely on 432 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:51,000 pharmaceuticals, your vet may not have an answer for you, but 433 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,600 maybe they can get around the, you know, refill every 30 days 434 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,480 to help you get a larger supply on board just in case, right. 435 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,320 They may not have an answer for. I don't know if this is going to 436 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,880 be available in 30 days. Who the heck knows. 437 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,760 But maybe they can help you with getting more frequent, frequent 438 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,600 refills right now so that you can stock up a little bit if it 439 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,160 is something that you your veterinarian feels like your pet 440 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,400 cannot do without. But another thing to think 441 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,080 about, as you were saying, stock up on what you can stock up on, 442 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,880 because again, going, but when we were, we were talking about 443 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:40,800 food and these companies potentially providing it, it 444 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,320 never, never like I'm, I feel like they can't get any worse 445 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,320 and then they figure out a way to make it worse, right? 446 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,360 Like the quality of of the food, the quality of the supplements 447 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,000 potentially like, you know, the market could be flooded with 448 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,200 really, really poor quality, adulterated heavy metal filled 449 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720 supplements that are just trying to fill a void where people 450 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120 can't afford the higher quality ones anymore. 451 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,840 So that's something that I really want to be like, think 452 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,200 about that. Don't just because like if you 453 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,400 can't afford in in a month or two months or three months or 454 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,480 however, again, I agree with Isabel that I think this is 455 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,000 going to be a very temporary thing. 456 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,360 But if you know a month or two down the road you can't afford 457 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,760 what you're you're used to buying, don't just go and buy 458 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640 some brand you've never heard of because it's cheap, because it 459 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,560 likely is cheap for a very, very good reason. 460 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,360 And you could be causing more harm to your pet than then good 461 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000 by doing that. And, and of course, I will never 462 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040 ever, ever say I don't know anything going on with your 463 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,280 individual animal. But I would almost go out on a 464 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080 limb and say it would probably be better to forego something 465 00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,240 like a supplement then to give them something that's highly 466 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,160 adulterated, potentially filled with heavy metals and who the 467 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200 heck knows what else. So if you can stock up on things 468 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,480 like that now go ahead and do that, especially if you are 469 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320 supporting a small business, especially if you are supporting 470 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,680 a local business, even if that. So when we think about local, we 471 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,400 think we tend to think hyperlocal. 472 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,120 But honestly, United States, in this case, United States is 473 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,680 local for me, right? Like it would be lovely to be 474 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,440 able to sit there and say, well, I'm only going to buy from the 475 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,720 tri-state area or you know what, like something like that. 476 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,200 But that that may not be in this type of situation. 477 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,040 Exactly. And I think the same is going to 478 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760 be true for grooming products. You talked about packaging also 479 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,000 the supply chain. Yeah, just. 480 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Think about the bottle of shampoo, like that bottle of 481 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,880 shampoo might be, you know, cents on the dollar right now. 482 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,800 It might end up being just the bottles over a dollar at some 483 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400 point, if not more. We're talking about 25% tariffs. 484 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,600 And I will say this, I do think it's temporary because I don't 485 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,040 genuinely believe that this trade war, this tariff war will 486 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,720 actually actually like materialize. 487 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600 Like I don't believe we're actually going to end up with 488 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640 tariffs. I believe, and I'm going to try 489 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640 to say this without giving any away anything away, but I 490 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760 believe actually I'm not, I'm not going to do that. 491 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080 I believe this is a whole pissing contest. 492 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,400 That's what I think this is. This is a political pissing 493 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160 contest. And I think at some point 494 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,400 everybody's going to realize that it's going to suck for 495 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120 everybody if we move forward with this. 496 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560 So we're all going to like put our tail between our legs and 497 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,760 shut up about it. Move on. 498 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,480 That's what I foresee happening. However, I have been surprised 499 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,600 before, so I don't know and I don't have a crystal ball. 500 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,000 If I did, Jessica and I would be like in a resort somewhere on an 501 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200 island, having this conversation with you because I would have 502 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760 won the Lotto. I'm going to get you a crystal 503 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,560 ball, but. That is not the case. 504 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,840 So I don't know what's going to happen, but I do believe that it 505 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,560 is a pissing contest that is not going to actually materialize. 506 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080 And we're going to all, like, have like, freaked out for 507 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840 nothing. But inevitably, it is going to 508 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640 affect our bottom line. And unfortunately, the 509 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360 consumer's always the one who gets screwed because the big 510 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,240 guys are never going to lose a dime, but we are certainly going 511 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,560 to lose a dime. One thing I did want to talk 512 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,120 about is compounding pharmacies. Don't forget that they exist. 513 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520 Your veterinarian may not even know about a compounding 514 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320 pharmacy. Like I use the compounded form 515 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:46,240 of ivermectin for my skin. Zulantra the the brand name is 516 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,520 like $250 like a little thing for a month or something and my 517 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,560 insurance wouldn't cover it. So my dermatologist initially 518 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,920 had me going to a compounding pharmacy for my personal thing 519 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,800 in Dallas and now in El Paso. It's been like 2 years, three 520 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320 years maybe. And now in El Paso, one of our 521 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,480 local pharmacies started compounding. 522 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480 So compounding is becoming way more popular. 523 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,040 It is a great option when either the brand name is too expensive 524 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,920 like there is no genetic genetic generic of Zulantra. 525 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,160 So like my only option was Zulantra or the compounded 526 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,800 version and it's just as effective. 527 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,360 It just is like it was like $50 Now I get it $45 and it's 528 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,280 delivered to my house, which is amazing. 529 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680 So don't forget to look into compounding. 530 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,680 What they do is basically they make the medicine in house. 531 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600 They've got the active ingredient, they'll make the not 532 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680 active ingredient mixes in house. 533 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680 And they'll it's usually for like anything for cats, 534 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,360 especially like a lot of cats get stuff compounded because 535 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880 they can't take the pills. So they'll make like an ear 536 00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400 ointment or like some kind of like, you know, hot out like 537 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,120 some kind of what do you say? How do you say it? 538 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,480 Like some liquid, some liquid version of the medication. 539 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,520 Yeah, yeah, we call it hot out in Spanish. 540 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,360 If you're a Latino, you'll know what I'm saying. 541 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,880 But yeah, so compounding pharmacies might be a really 542 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600 great option. If you call your vet, if there's 543 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,600 an unavailability or if the prices shoot up, ask your 544 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,480 veterinarian. So when I went to see my 545 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040 endocrinologist, she didn't even know that this compounding 546 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,680 pharmacy here locally was now compounding, you know what I 547 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000 mean? So like not all doctors are 548 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760 aware. Do your own research. 549 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440 You know, I think our veterinarians are having hard 550 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,880 enough time. We've talked about this in the 551 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,280 past. They're having a hard enough 552 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,760 time keeping their doors open without being bought out by by, 553 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760 you know, like corporations that are getting into the veterinary 554 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520 industry. So like they may not know 555 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,720 exactly what's going on. So do your own research if you 556 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,800 are in the in a situation where you don't have the medicine that 557 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600 your pet needs to live or to be comfortable. 558 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,080 And then also remember that if you are saving money every 559 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040 month, like let's say that you don't that you don't, you've 560 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,320 opted against pet insurance. If you are saving money every 561 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,800 month, it might be smart to save a little more until this is all 562 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,000 done. Because like I said at the 563 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000 beginning, everything that veterinary offices use is going 564 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,360 to go up. Like all of, I mean, I can't, I 565 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,360 can. I'll just throw out a number. 566 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,480 I say with at least Jessica, you tell me if I'm over or under. 567 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,600 At least 89% of everything that's used in a veterinary 568 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,280 office probably comes from China. 569 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,639 I would imagine. Yeah. 570 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,639 So if that, if the tariffs really do happen or if we 571 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,320 continue to do this pissing contest long term, all of that 572 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,760 is going to cost them more. So then it's going to cost us 573 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,880 more. And then if you have pet 574 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,719 insurance, I would expect it to go up. 575 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,280 Like I genuinely believe that it's going to go up. 576 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,520 And the thing about these moments and how about business 577 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,880 owner and like everything's gone up for me as AI work business to 578 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,000 business B2 BI provide marketing service, digital marketing 579 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,160 services to businesses. And everything that I use my, my 580 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,520 Google suite has gone up. My scheduling software, that 581 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,200 software that I use to schedule posts for digital marketing has 582 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040 gone up. Domains have gone up in the past 583 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,720 couple months. Everything has gone up because 584 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,680 everything is affected in some way, shape or form by this. 585 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,000 So I am, I've no no doubt that my pet insurance for Van Gogh's 586 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,440 going to go up. I have no doubt that my food for 587 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640 the other for the dogs just going to go up. 588 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,720 I have no doubt that everything all like everything is so 589 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,320 expensive right now. We have 2 trips planned this 590 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600 summer and I'm just like, OMG, how are we going to you know 591 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,720 what I mean? Like just the meals are going to 592 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,360 be so much more expensive than we budgeted for. 593 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,400 And we have two big trips, so you know, that were booked in 594 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,720 January before any of this really. 595 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,480 So I, I know that we need to like really be mindful of our 596 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,120 spending of our budgeting for our pets so that they get the 597 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,080 care that they need. But I also don't want people to 598 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,520 ignore the vet or not take the pets to the vet because they're 599 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,320 scared. There are programs out there. 600 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,360 I will say there's, you know, the the vet only Facebook groups 601 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560 are really great. I think that they're such an 602 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840 amazing resource. If you have a pet with an acute 603 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,400 situation, you can go to Facebook and they're literally, 604 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,640 I think they're called vet only, veterinarian only, something 605 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,840 like that. And it's basically a place where 606 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,840 you would put your pet symptoms, a picture, if there's an acute 607 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,880 situation that you can photograph and you ask like, 608 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960 what should I do? What do I need to do? 609 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,840 And I've seen in the case where it's like an acute situation 610 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480 that needs immediate attention, where people are like, can 611 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520 somebody find like, like a financial resource for this 612 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,800 person? So there are resources out there 613 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,440 if you find yourself, you know, in a place where most of us have 614 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680 found ourselves, where it's like a huge veterinary bill and not 615 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,840 knowing how to pay for it. Use your resources, but do not, 616 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,880 do not, not like avoid the vet only because of a potential 617 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,680 price increase. I mean, the price increase could 618 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,440 be $50. You know, it may not be like 619 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,720 that big. So I don't mean to scare people 620 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,320 away from the vet. I just for those of you who are 621 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,440 planning and planners like I am, you might need to just plan a 622 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,640 little bit, a little bit more generously. 623 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,760 And I, you know, I had Jonathan Weinberg on the podcast recently 624 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,880 who's the VP at care credit. So that's right, a resource also 625 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,000 there. Gosh, there's so, so many 626 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,320 things. And one thing that I, I also, I 627 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,920 know this is probably like going to throw people into overwhelm, 628 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,520 but just in the research I was doing, I didn't think about it 629 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,480 and I was like, Oh yeah, like rescues are really going to 630 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,640 rescues and shelters are going to really be struggling as well. 631 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,120 So if you have. Already struggling I mean. 632 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,200 This is happening at the worst time. 633 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,840 So really quickly it's Pet Vet Corner service Mark only 634 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,000 approved veterinarians. That's what the name of the 635 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200 group is that I'm in. I'm sure there's other ones, but 636 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,960 Pet Vet Corner SM, but only approve veterinarians comment. 637 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,360 So you we can all join, but the only people and we can post, but 638 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,760 the only people who can give advice and comment are 639 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560 veterinarians and they have to be approved in order to comment, 640 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,680 which is what makes it such a valuable resource. 641 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680 Yeah, so it is a really bad time for this to happen for rescues 642 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,400 and shelters because at this time of year they are always 643 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960 overwhelmed with kitten and puppy season. 644 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,800 And now we are at full capacity. I just saw Nathan the cat lady 645 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,360 I'm talking to some haters about he was he had posted about 646 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,120 finding a feral Mama and her kittens and taking the kittens 647 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,600 from her and obviously returning her TNR and her the mom and 648 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,960 somebody had been like, you know how horrible it is that you like 649 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,640 play God or, you know, separate these this family or whatever. 650 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,200 And it's like, if you have a better solution, I mean, we're 651 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,400 all ears is basically what Nathan said. 652 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,680 Like, are you helping? Because there are so many, there 653 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,280 are so many more animals and there are shelters, fosters, 654 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,160 rescues that can help. And during kitten season, which 655 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,280 is basically now through fall, because they like have like a 656 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,920 million pet million litters from now until then. 657 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400 It's really tough. It's really tough. 658 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,280 And a lot of people surrender pets before long trips. 659 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,760 We have a lot of owner surrenders based on just 660 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,280 financials and economics. And so it is just like this 661 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520 really terrible time for rescues and shelters. 662 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,600 So if you are blessed in any way at this time and you do want to 663 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,840 support somebody, this is a really good time to help your 664 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,720 neighbors in need, whether it's a, you know, a rescue, a a, a 665 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,000 municipal shelter. Anything that you're passionate 666 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,120 about helping, this is a really good time to do it because yes, 667 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680 people are going hungry, pets are going hungry. 668 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,880 So whatever you know, speaks to you, please be generous right 669 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,560 now if you have the ability to do so. 670 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:33,200 Because again, it's just, it's, it's a, it's a rough time. 671 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200 A lot of, a lot of business owners are scared. 672 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440 A lot of workers are scared to be laid off. 673 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,320 A lot of veterinarians can't, you know, keep their doors open 674 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,960 without selling. It's like, it's tough. 675 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000 It's like all coming together. So it's not just the tariffs. 676 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000 It's like it's already been a rough time in the United States 677 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,320 and abroad. I mean it in Spain they are, you 678 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160 know, I was just in Spain for for almost 3 weeks and like, you 679 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,480 know, they're so scared about the economy and the collapse and 680 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:06,240 like, you know, politics and world relations and diplomacy, 681 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080 the kind of lacking right now. And it's just a scary time. 682 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,520 So if you are blessed, then this is a good time to pay it 683 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,960 forward. Yeah, absolutely. 684 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:21,400 You know, as a, you know, you talk about, of course you're a 685 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,360 small business owner. I'm a small business owner. 686 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,040 I, I have, I mean, in the process of having to shut down a 687 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:36,160 business for another reason. And one of the things that I'm 688 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,080 actively doing is working out a way to reopen this business 689 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:48,920 better, more aligned with what I have learned in the past decade 690 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,440 and a half doing what I do. And it's it's made me think a 691 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,160 lot about how quickly we forget because we were in in this exact 692 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:08,600 same situation five years ago for different reasons, somewhat 693 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,880 different reasons. That's a whole other 694 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,920 conversation. But that's a whole other 695 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080 conversation. But we were in this exact same 696 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,400 position five years ago where nothing was coming, nothing was 697 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,840 being shipped, nothing was going anywhere worldwide. 698 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,200 And I think, you know, we forget so quickly. 699 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:37,880 I, I, I'm sure some small businesses pivoted and, and 700 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520 maybe some of those pivots lasted, maybe they didn't. 701 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,320 But I think this is another, I, I'm going to choose to look at 702 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,800 this as another opportunity for small businesses especially. 703 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,120 And granted, this may not be across the board where people 704 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,680 can do these things, especially if it's something really, really 705 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,960 super niche. But what and and what I also 706 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,360 believe one of the kind of like pillars of why this is happening 707 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,720 is to bring manufacturing back into America, into the United 708 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,600 States. And so I think for maybe not the 709 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,720 small, small small like micro businesses, but the smaller mid 710 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,920 sized businesses especially, where can you pivot? 711 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,160 Where can you say, OK, instead of importing this, can we build 712 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600 this, can manufacture? Is there a company that is 713 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,080 already in manufacturing that can add this to their portfolio 714 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,240 for you or can you somehow, don't ask me, create 715 00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,680 manufacturing jobs to get the job done for what you need to 716 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,040 do? And granted, will that end 717 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,800 product be a little bit more expensive than what you sold six 718 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,320 months ago? Maybe, but will it be as 719 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,320 expensive as what we're expecting these tariffs to be? 720 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,040 Probably not. So you know, I, I really would 721 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560 like it does depend on the product for sure. 722 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,720 And again, maybe not everybody can do this, especially like 723 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,120 micro small businesses. I get that, I get that. 724 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,680 But I think, you know, this is especially for small business 725 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,640 owners, like people who are small business owners are, 726 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,160 they're a rare breed, right? Like you are problem solvers, 727 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,480 you are out here trying to solve problems for other people all 728 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,280 day long. That's what your products and 729 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,080 services are about. And so you know, if you can 730 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,800 pivot a little bit to say, OK, how do I solve this problem for 731 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,040 myself and maybe bring some sort of manufacturing back into the 732 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,800 United States. I think that's kind of one of 733 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:02,000 one of the ultimate goals of what's happening now. 734 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,640 And I hope, I hope to see more of that because again, when we 735 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,760 talk about supporting local supporting American made like 736 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,280 this is this is what we're looking for as consumers. 737 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,640 So that's my my little like message of hope. 738 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:26,440 OK, I, I mean, I'm a little more cynical on that because I grew 739 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,600 up in a developing country where if you can't import it, you 740 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,520 still can't make it because you don't have the skills, the 741 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,640 machinery, the this, the that. So like, yes, there are cases 742 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040 where you absolutely, especially in the United States, it's not 743 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,200 Ecuador, right, Where I was born in the United States, there is 744 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,240 money, there are investment, there are there's capital, 745 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,320 right? So like, yes, there absolutely 746 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,920 is a way to invest and create something here. 747 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,880 But unfortunately, at the end of the day, if it's too expensive, 748 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,240 it's like people aren't going to buy it, then it's nobody's going 749 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,040 to do it. And then it just kind of ends up 750 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,080 being like just the hope, even though I do, I, I see it like I 751 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,280 see it, as we talked last week about about Earth Day a little 752 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,560 bit and, you know, have it relying on manufacturers that 753 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,440 are across the world is bad for the environment. 754 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,840 So yes, like there would be a lot of positive in bringing 755 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,760 manufacturing to the United States. 756 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,320 I just, you know, it's one of those things where it's like, 757 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,560 maybe I'm just cynical and jaded and I'm like, I just don't like 758 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640 I see the benefit of it. I really do. 759 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,680 And I think it's a really good intention. 760 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960 I just don't know how realistic it is. 761 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,400 So I mean, I just, I will say that I would say that, you know, 762 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,320 one of the biggest things we can do since we can't control 763 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,320 anything is just control our consumerism. 764 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,840 And you know that we talked about that over Earth Day. 765 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,120 We're going to talk about that here. 766 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,680 We've talked about that a lot in our conversations at the in the 767 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,920 weekly pet roundup that we do is where, you know, is it really 768 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,440 something that I need? Is it, you know, we're not, 769 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,600 we're not encouraging anybody to hoard things. 770 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600 You don't need 20 bottles of PET shampoo right now. 771 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,600 You, you know, like you could potentially stock up on three 772 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,320 bottles of CBD. You'd be plenty fine with that. 773 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,200 If you'd like to buy in bulk, I hear. 774 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,280 Yeah. I'm tired of buying in bulk 775 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,960 actually, because I feel like I have to store so many things 776 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800 that I hate it. So we're not encouraging you to, 777 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160 like, go crazy. We're not encouraging you to, 778 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,600 like, hoard things and leave others without it. 779 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,080 We're just kind of making like having the conversation so we 780 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,560 can think about where where our priorities lie, where our 781 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,640 challenges may lie. And maybe a reminder, if this 782 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,720 has been a reminder for me at least, that maybe I don't need 783 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,480 all the things I thought I needed. 784 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,080 And that maybe the world would be a better place if we stopped 785 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,480 consuming so much where our leaders would literally fight 786 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,760 over getting us stuff cheaper on Teemu. 787 00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,360 You know, that comes from like factories where like the 788 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,760 conditions are horrible and like children are being put to work, 789 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,600 you know what I mean? So like, maybe it's a good wake 790 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,360 up call for us to be like, why are we so dependent on things 791 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:23,920 and plastics and gross stuff? And maybe we do need to return 792 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,120 to a lesser, I mean, like opulent lifestyle. 793 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,720 Like we, I remember when I was little and going to birthday 794 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,600 parties and just like having thank you Tara Lee, I think 795 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,040 she's agreeing with me. Tara Lee's on, on YouTube. 796 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,760 Thank you. She says 100%. 797 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,640 But I remember going to birthday parties when I was a kid and I 798 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,760 think I left with like a little suite or something like that. 799 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,560 And now my kids leave with all this like plastic junk and like 800 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000 tons of candy. And when you look at that bag, 801 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,480 you think of the money that the family already spent on the 802 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,280 party and you think about the amount of money they spent on 803 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,160 Amazon or the dollar store Timu for all these things and how 804 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920 they're all going to end up in a landfill and how the candy is so 805 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,480 bad for the kids and how every wrapper that the candy comes in 806 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,360 ends up in a landfill or like in the oceans. 807 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,440 And we're and I just, I have to be like, we need to stop this. 808 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,440 But then we just can't. We got kind of get like roped 809 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,600 into this consumerism and these moments are a really good wake 810 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440 up call to be like, I don't need it, we don't need it. 811 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,240 Does my pet really need it? Like, yes, they need food and 812 00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,680 they need the best quality food you can give them, but not at 813 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,640 the expense of your Peace of Mind or your sanity or the roof 814 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,200 over your head. So finding places where we can 815 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,320 cut back is a really great start to, to mediating or, or just 816 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,600 kind of navigating this moment in, in our history, which is not 817 00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,280 going to be the first or the last where we have, you know, 818 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,360 politicians playing politics and costing us money in the process. 819 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,240 Absolutely. I, I agree. 820 00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,400 And I that's actually something that I have. 821 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,920 I feel like I had started working on it a little bit, 822 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,400 definitely in the last maybe half of last year. 823 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,800 I really started going through my house and like pairing things 824 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,680 down, donating everything I could, you know, that was worth 825 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,120 donating that I knew I could live without. 826 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,960 I've stopped buying a lot of things. 827 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,120 I still buy things, don't get me wrong, but like I am much more 828 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,160 aware of what I'm purchasing and I'm not just purchasing to 829 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,960 purchase like I used to. And then with like recent events 830 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,200 in my life, I'm realizing how much less I can actually live 831 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,440 with. And it's, it's, it's a pretty 832 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,120 big like eye opener, even with the things that like, I thought 833 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,880 it had pared down a lot of the stuff I had bought for my pets. 834 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,480 And even still, I'm like, I have all the stuff that I'm still not 835 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,240 using for my pets. Granted, there are things that 836 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,760 you want to have on hand for just in case, like absolutely, 837 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,920 you know, emergencies. But it is, it's really 838 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,480 interesting once you start really paring down the things 839 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,160 that that's in your house. And again, you know, for me, I 840 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000 would rather spend my money at this point in my life. 841 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,200 I would rather spend my money on really high quality food, really 842 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,160 high quality supplements that are necessary and then 843 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,840 experiences rather than like that cute vase at HomeGoods, you 844 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,360 know, or, or my 100th blanket or, you know, you're not like 845 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,480 home. Goods don't go there. 846 00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,040 Sara Lee says buying less actually feels very free. 847 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960 Yes. And one of the things that I've 848 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,480 done in 2025 is I stopped going to home goods and like, just 849 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,800 like picking one thing up. Like I'm not going in there 850 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,080 because I end up, and I'm, I celebrate the moments where I, 851 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,080 let's say I actually had purchased something for Van Gogh 852 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,680 the cat. And it like started like it 853 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,480 literally. It was like a really cute 854 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,720 scratcher that started like disintegrating in the car on the 855 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:13,920 way home. And I finally went and returned 856 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,960 it and thankfully they were very good about returning. 857 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,280 It was like literally falling apart. 858 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,600 Like like the little, the little nails that held the the Wicker 859 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,400 together were like coming off it was bad. 860 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,200 And I literally returned it and walked out. 861 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,920 And what I did was celebrate the fact that I returned it and 862 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,720 walked out. And I was like, this is all and, 863 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,600 and it's hard when you are, when you have little kids and it's 864 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,480 hard when you have, you know, pets that maybe like are puppies 865 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,600 and you really, you know, they're, they're anxious and 866 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,000 they're excitable and you want to buy them things to keep them 867 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,360 or, you know, entertained or a cat that is scratching. 868 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,440 And everybody says in Richmond and Richmond, Richmond. 869 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,960 So you go and you buy a million things. 870 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,880 If it doesn't work out, anything that's washable can actually be 871 00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,520 donated to your rescues and shelters too. 872 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,960 So remember, keep that in mind. You now that we have Instagram, 873 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,880 we can slide into each other's DMS, just slide into your, you 874 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,600 know, local shelters DM and be like, what do you need? 875 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,320 And maybe what you need is something you can, what they 876 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,760 need is something you can easily live without. 877 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,640 And I know that some of us have a hard time saying goodbye to 878 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640 items that belong to our pets. But right now would be a good 879 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,720 time to, you know, maybe find an old caller that maybe, you know, 880 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,280 you were hanging on to for sentimental value that still has 881 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,920 a life left. And this is a good time to 882 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,720 donate it, pass it on, pay it forward, just so they don't have 883 00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,880 to invest in these things. I know that the the less money 884 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,600 the huge corporations make, the less charity they're going to do 885 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,200 because let's be honest, they're doing charity because they want 886 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,720 to pay fewer taxes. So the amount of money, the 887 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,280 amount of money they donate is based on the amount of money 888 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,080 they bring in. So if they're bringing in less, 889 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040 they're going to donate less. That's just the way it works. 890 00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,040 So there are there are reasons to like, you know, be generous. 891 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,440 Even if it doesn't, it means not spending any of your own money, 892 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,280 just donating what you already have. 893 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680 So we hope that this was helpful. 894 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,920 I mean, if you have any questions, comments, please let 895 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,320 us know. And I mean, let's hope that it 896 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,200 that let's hope that something good comes out of this. 897 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,240 Let's hope that this was just a conversation that that doesn't 898 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,840 even, you know, that like we're laughing about like the scare of 899 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,320 the terrorists that never happened. 900 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,240 I mean, it it definitely has gone from like the whole world 901 00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,840 to China. So yeah, we're already doing 902 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,360 better than we were a month ago. Oh for sure, absolutely. 903 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,200 And I know like, I think, I think people again, they're 904 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,920 feeling it with these like pre emptive price increases. 905 00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:52,000 They're feeling it because the stock market is 100% emotional 906 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,480 and 0% rational. I mean, that's just the reality 907 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,800 of of the world we live in. And so people are feeling it 908 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,480 because of expectations at this point. 909 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,960 And I think putting that in perspective can be helpful 910 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,240 because it all is expectation at this point. 911 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,640 And again, for me, like this is just like the season of my life 912 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,880 that I'm in right now where I'm like, what good can I find in 913 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,960 this? And so like trying to be hopeful 914 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,680 about bringing manufacturing back to America, Like I would 915 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,080 just love that so much for me. Like I don't OK, it would be 916 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,400 wonderful for our economy. Like the fact that we have, I 917 00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,720 don't even know what the percentage of jobs in the United 918 00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,840 States or government jobs is freaking laughable. 919 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,560 So moving those jobs back into, you know, the private sector 920 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,840 and, and small businesses and medium sized businesses. 921 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,440 I really think like, OK, there are going to be growing pains, 922 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,320 but just because there are growing pains doesn't mean that 923 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,320 we shouldn't do it. And I, I just, if our hand has 924 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,400 to be forced to do it, then our hand has to be forced to do it. 925 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,400 And I think in the long term, if we do this right as a country, 926 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,920 not me and you, Isabel, but if we do this right as a country, 927 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,240 we'll be so much better off in the long run. 928 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640 Yeah, I think, I think, I think we can all take something 929 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,280 positive from this. I really do. 930 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,880 I think we can all take a little inventory of how we how our 931 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,240 lifestyles are kind of almost playing into this, this trade 932 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,440 war and how we can better control our behavior so that 933 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,480 whatever they do at the top doesn't affect us so, so 934 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,240 immediately and so drastically. Thank you, Tara for being here. 935 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,120 She's a great conversation. Ladies, thank you. 936 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,840 Thank you so much for being here. 937 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,560 Thank you all for being here. If you have any comments, 938 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,120 concerns, any corrections for us, any thoughts that you want 939 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,880 to share on politics or otherwise, you're welcome to do 940 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,920 so in comments. We may not play, we're not going 941 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,360 to play like like mom and, and and mediate the conversation, 942 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,240 but you guys can go off if you want to in comments. 943 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800 That's fine. But we we got through it 944 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,960 without, you know, without giving too much away, let's just 945 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,280 pray for everybody in the world, especially our military men and 946 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,000 women who are probably the ones who have to deal with all the 947 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,840 repercussions of all the behaviors. 948 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,440 So let's just focus on what we can control, which is our 949 00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,640 spending. Absolutely. 950 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,440 That goes out to my husband, who's a spender, and my kids, 951 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,120 who are spenders, and me, who is a spender, and that's more for 952 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,640 me than it is for anybody who's looking. 953 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,320 And I think after this, Isabella's gonna pimp Chris out 954 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,640 for home improvements around the neighborhood to bank some money 955 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,520 for your vacation this year. Chris already donates plasma. 956 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920 Chris donate plasma. Yeah, he likes to do it. 957 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,880 He's a big guy so he gets to do a lot and there's such a 958 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,080 shortage of plasma that he loves to do that. 959 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,120 So it's something it's like he likes it cuz he gets to do 960 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,800 something that doesn't really affect him anyway. 961 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,640 I can't really donate plasma. I'm too little and it gets, I 962 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,080 got no money and then it like really affects me and I get 963 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,880 dizzy and stuff. So he's like this big guy who 964 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,120 can and so that's, that's his contribution. 965 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,200 And like I said, whatever we make, they give you like a card 966 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,480 when you donate plasma, which is like a debit. 967 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,400 And like, I've already used it for like plants. 968 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,280 I used it for plants for our front yard. 969 00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,880 So good stuff. Yeah, stuff that's good for 970 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,280 that, good for the world. Yeah, awesome. 971 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,200 All right, guys, I think, I think we're going to end this 972 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,240 right at an hour for maybe the first time in the history of the 973 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,480 weekly pet roundup. And if you guys have any 974 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720 recommendations for next week, let us know. 975 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,720 Otherwise, we will find something to talk about. 976 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,120 Yeah. All right, guys, have a fabulous 977 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,280 rest of your week and I'll talk to you next Tuesday. 978 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:12,800 Bye.