1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:06,640 Yes, hello, welcome to 2025 and we're going to be talking about 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,240 Berkeley today. Do you want to go live on the 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,840 Facebook and YouTube and then we'll jump into everything. 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:13,400 Thank you guys so much for being here. 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,760 I'm so excited you're here because I have so much to tell 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,160 you. Hi everybody on Facebook and 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,680 YouTube and Instagram, Welcome to the Week, the first weekly 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:31,000 pet roundup of 2020. 5 yes, I know we were going to do 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,680 resolutions this week, but with, yeah, with the whole bird flu 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,320 thing, it just felt like we really, really should be talking 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,120 about this. And I'm kind of glad we didn't 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,720 like rush into talking about this because it's just been. 13 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,040 I feel like there's just so much fear that people needed a minute 14 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:58,240 to, like, settle down and kind of like, get their heads back on 15 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,920 their shoulders and be like, OK, now I can listen to what people 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,239 have to say about, like, what's actually going on and what the 17 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:10,160 facts actually are. But really quickly, before we do 18 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,880 that, in case this is the first time you're joining us, my name 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,360 is Jessica. This is Isabelle. 20 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Hi, I have my podcast is the pet parenting reset per podcast is 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,480 covered in pet hair and I was like I was sleeping up this 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,840 morning and in my head I just kept going. 23 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,120 It was like over and over, like you're going live in 2025 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,120 because you're doing your your podcast live now. 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,040 You start. Yes, I'm transitioning to a live 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:41,760 podcast starting 2025 because I'm having a really hard time 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,800 editing and putting stuff out because I am a digital marketer 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 and I work with pet businesses. So like that's where my focus 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,400 really lies. And then my podcast, I love to 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,600 do, I do journalism, I love to interview people, tell people's 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,280 stories. But live is going to be a lot 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,400 easier to get out in time in a timely manner. 33 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,440 So that's why I'm going live. But yeah, I'm usually in my 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,560 office. But it is the new year. 35 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,680 I am not ready. I am not ready at all. 36 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,880 The holidays have been like task after task, home, home project 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,440 after home project. So I'm in my family room slash 38 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,600 kitchen here. That's my dog Satchmo over here. 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,960 I don't think you guys can see him there. 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,080 He is over there. And then so I'm not usually 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,880 here, but that's what you get today. 42 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,720 So welcome. And hopefully by New Year's 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,200 resolutions next week, I will be in my office because right now I 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,080 can't even walk in because we're working on 2:00 rooms. 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,720 So all the stuff from that room, those rooms are in my office. 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,080 Goodness. But I need to get together by 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Thursday because I go live with the Whisker. 48 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:54,440 Whisker Report hosts Whisker Media, Alexand and Mary Tan on 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Thursday. So I got to get it. 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Together. Yeah, that's quick. 51 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,440 Quick too. You got to get it together. 52 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Hopefully your kids do go back to school on Wednesday so you 53 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:06,000 can. You know, I had to. 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,040 I was telling Jessica I sent my kids and my husband to a hotel 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,880 locally with a heated pool for the past 24 hours. 56 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,720 And it has been magnificent to be able to work on my home by 57 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,200 myself. And I also did some work work 58 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,200 and I took some client calls. And because they've been off 59 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,920 since like the 20th of December, I don't even know what it's like 60 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:29,040 to have quiet anymore. So this was nice. 61 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,840 And I told old Chris I was like, I go live at 3:00 on Monday with 62 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,640 Jessica. Do not come back until after 4. 63 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,520 There you go. I hope he no interruptions. 64 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,360 Hopefully I. Hope he remembers. 65 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,360 Yeah. So we're talking about bird flu 66 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,200 or depending on where you're. I mean, it's highly pathogenic 67 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,080 avian influenza. If I can get all of that out of 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:59,760 my mouth, H5 N 1, which is a subtype of influenza A. 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,400 And what I find really, really interesting about, well, a 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,600 couple of things I find really interesting about this 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,480 particular virus is that typically speaking, when we 72 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:16,600 think of the flu virus or many viruses that 'cause this type of 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,360 the, the type of issues we think of with flu like the, the, all 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,920 the respiratory things we think of it being transmitted through 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,920 like respiratory means. So droplets, air breathing the 76 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:35,440 same air, that kind of thing. But with this one, it has AGI 77 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,720 component. So it has been found in feces. 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,960 It is being transmitted through eating the raw meat of infected 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,120 birds and also contamination like environmental 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,400 contamination, so like their feathers, contaminated water 81 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,520 sources, things like that, which is is very interesting to me. 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,640 And also the other really interesting thing about this 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,520 virus. Again, most viruses when we 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,240 think of like what is the goal of a virus is to reproduce and 85 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:14,840 continue to transmit, right? So a virus is not doing itself 86 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:21,520 any favors and killing its host, but in cats it is highly fatal. 87 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,440 So, and that's where the big concern is right now when we 88 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,440 think about like, raw food. So hey, Kara, glad y'all are 89 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,960 discussing it. I I wrote, Kara wrote a blog. 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:41,400 Yeah, that's awesome. I've been reading so many things 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,920 on this. And I was actually, I haven't 92 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,000 even finished the video that Doctor Connor Brady put out I 93 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,160 think yesterday on it, which is super interesting. 94 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,000 I have a post that I'm going to put up after we get off of this 95 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,200 live with that just kind of summarizes everything. 96 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,000 And then in the, the like caption of that post, I, I'm 97 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,840 going to link to Doctor Connor Brady's video because it goes 98 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:06,400 into detail about something that I don't think we're going to 99 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:11,200 have time to cover here today. But the basically the zoonotic 100 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:17,320 strains of H5 N 1 could have AGI component like we were just 101 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,720 talking about. It can be ingested, it can be 102 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,120 through food and water. So the transmission is different 103 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,200 in that way and that's why people are so concerned with 104 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,200 cats. Just a little bit of background. 105 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,840 It was first found this particular strain, the H5 N one 106 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,640 strain from what I could find, it was first found in 1961 in 107 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,000 South Africa. It became quote highly 108 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,440 pathogenic in 1996 in China. The first human case was found 109 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,800 in 1997 in Hong Kong. And then in the 2000s it started 110 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,120 to spread worldwide. So it's not new I guess is what 111 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,800 I'm trying to, to tell people here. 112 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,600 This isn't new. We're just starting to see I, I 113 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,840 hate to say it this way because my heart goes out to any animal 114 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,120 that is infected by even birds that are infected by like, but 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:15,360 especially our pets, our dogs and our cats more so are cats 116 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,760 right now and what we'll talk about that in a little bit. 117 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,720 But my heart goes out to any animal that is infected by this, 118 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,320 that suffers from this that dies from this. 119 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:31,520 And we know that a house cat in the Pacific Northwest did die a 120 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,680 few weeks ago from this, which prompted a recall from Northwest 121 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,880 Naturals, and then the Internet went crazy. 122 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,320 So that kind of brings us up to where we are now. 123 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Well. Yeah. 124 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,040 And this particular outbreak started in January of 2022. 125 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,120 Like this is this is just now in the United States. 126 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:59,040 So this is just now getting that attention again because of the 127 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,560 media coverage of that particular situation. 128 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,400 And you know, right now if you go on the CDC website, they are 129 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:12,640 tracking the locations of it and it's in every state like, but 130 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:17,000 some more than others, right? So no matter where you are, yes, 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,920 be aware of it, but just know that like Texas doesn't have 132 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,720 like the CDC doesn't really have anything on the map for Texas. 133 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:29,120 Whereas the Pacific Northwest in California, you know, Idaho, oh, 134 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Nevada has some, like there's some counties there that are 135 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,679 showing a lot of activity for this particular outbreak. 136 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,480 And then Florida too, and then some parts of the Midwest. 137 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,880 So you're, you got to be really aware of where you are and how 138 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,320 it's affecting your area, your particular area. 139 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,000 Because you know, we don't want to start everybody getting all 140 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,800 worked up and afraid of everything. 141 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,840 Because honestly, I feel like norovirus is more concerning for 142 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,160 me. I'm in my house right now 143 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,880 because I'm in Texas. We don't really have out. 144 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,640 We don't have outdoor cats. We don't feed raw poultry so 145 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,680 like my risk factors are lower and lower right and my dogs are 146 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,120 walked only on leash. They're not let off leash so 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,200 they can find like some carcass. So my and risk factors for bird 148 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,640 flu right now are pretty low, but my risk factors for 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,600 norovirus for our house are pretty high because I have a 7 150 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,200 and a four year old and they're gross. 151 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,640 So, you know, just remember that like there are millions of 152 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,920 viruses out there. There are millions of things 153 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,600 that are potentially harmful for all of us at this time. 154 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,240 So getting scared of one thing to the point where you like 155 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,640 can't function is not really like it doesn't make sense and 156 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,280 it's also not good for you. So let's let's talk about things 157 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,040 that we can control and not what we, you know, are going to make 158 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,240 ourselves crazy trying to. Control. 159 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,680 Yeah. So what I was, what I wanted to 160 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,680 do is talk about the virus, talk about the raw food and the 161 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:06,560 recalls, and then talk about a little bit, not a whole heck of 162 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:12,920 a lot, but a little bit about why we don't need to freak the 163 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,040 heck out right now. Like, please don't freak the 164 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:21,200 heck out right now. So OK, H5 N 1 HPAI, highly 165 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,400 pathogenic avian influenza, bird flu, whatever you're seeing it 166 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:32,200 called, it's mostly like seriously affected. 167 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,880 The reason it's called bird flu is because it most seriously and 168 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,600 is most easily transmitted through birds. 169 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:45,960 So wild birds, some farmed birds because of how poorly they're 170 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,920 kept. Generally in in my mind at 171 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,840 least, that's that's kind of how I'm going with it. 172 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,560 It's definitely makes it easier. For makes it makes it easier to 173 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,680 spread They're definitely you know, their immune systems 174 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,840 aren't great because of how they're cared for all the 175 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,680 things. So H5 N 1 infects cells by 176 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:12,400 binding to A23 linked cialic acid receptors say that five 177 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,880 times fast. They're abundant in the 178 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,840 respiratory and intestinal tract of birds and in some mammals, 179 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,760 including cats. So This is why it is so highly 180 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,000 transmissible to cats is because they share these A23 receptors 181 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:32,520 and cats, their respiratory systems have these receptors 182 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,040 making them very susceptible to the transmission. 183 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,680 So dogs are nowhere they, I don't want to say that there 184 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,760 isn't a risk. There's always a risk. 185 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,480 I mean, we've seen it in many, many animal species, including 186 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,960 humans. But the degree is so far less 187 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,840 that because and and one of the reasons is that dogs have A26 188 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,760 receptors primarily. So cats and very interestingly 189 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,000 cats and birds are the ones that have these A23 receptors that 190 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,920 and that's what's making it so highly transmissible to cats 191 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:16,960 specifically symptoms, fever, lethargy, the respiratory 192 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,440 symptoms we would think of coughing, sneezing, difficulty 193 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,760 breathing. It can also have some 194 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,040 neurological symptoms. And then if there is AGI 195 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,480 component to be had, you, you would likely see it in the in 196 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,840 the cats and from the ingestion of the raw poultry that was 197 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,280 infected. So Vomi and and diarrhea could 198 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,560 also be present. And this is it's often fatal in 199 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:41,960 cats right now. It's what they're what they're 200 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,480 what we're seeing. And that is, again, one of the 201 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,000 really like really strange things about this particular 202 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,520 strain of this virus is because that's not the goal of a virus. 203 00:12:53,480 --> 00:13:01,920 So my hope, my hope is that this virus will adjust very quickly 204 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,360 because it's realizing that it's killing its host really quickly. 205 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,280 It doesn't have the opportunity to replicate and spread, which 206 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,440 is the goal. So hopefully that in my opinion, 207 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,800 if we let it do its thing, it will kind of adjust itself 208 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,320 fairly quickly because that's that's not what a virus wants to 209 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,400 do. That being said, right now it is 210 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:28,720 very fatal in cats. I also found one other thing 211 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,800 that I I wanted to say before we jump into like the actual food 212 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,200 part of it. When we think about raw poultry 213 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,360 in general for human consumption, they are testing 214 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,160 birds. So in the United States 215 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,280 specifically, I didn't look outside of the United States 216 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,040 because there's so much information just to cover here 217 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,120 in the United States. So I apologize if you are 218 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,400 outside of the United States. I mean, I think it's safe to 219 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,760 say, I think it's safe to say that Canada and Europe are 220 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,200 probably doing their due diligence as well. 221 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,560 Outside of that, yeah, you'd have to do your own research. 222 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,320 And there are different ways of testing. 223 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:18,960 PCR tests are like the gold standard when farmers are, I 224 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,040 guess we call them, farmers are testing their flocks, but they 225 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,120 can do swabs of the throats looking for the virus or 226 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,280 antibodies to the virus, which is a whole other thing that we 227 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,880 could get into. Like testing for the DNA doesn't 228 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,120 necessarily mean that it's active, right? 229 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,400 The virus could actually be inactive, but the the DNA is 230 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,760 still there. So that's a whole other thing 231 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,800 that we can kind of talk about a little bit when we talk about 232 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,520 mitigation processes in raw foods, specifically when we're 233 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,880 talking about feeding our pets. But swabbing the environment, 234 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,840 doing blood samples, again, PCR tests, detecting the RNA of the 235 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,760 virus show to be 95% accurate. There are other like blood 236 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,880 tests, virus isolation, those things, but those aren't as 237 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,520 accurate. So if for some reason you did 238 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,320 decide to contact somebody who is making food, who, who is 239 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,400 raising birds, excuse me, ideally you want to be looking 240 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,400 for them to do PCR testing. Again, dogs can contract H5N1, 241 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,880 but it is rare and it's most often when they are in direct 242 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,200 contact with an infected bird because, again, the receptors 243 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,440 are different. So poultry farms are, in the 244 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,400 United States at least, supposed to be pre slaughter, having pre 245 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,120 slaughter inspections and testing. 246 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Yeah. So that kind of brings me to the 247 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,880 food situation. Are you ready for the food 248 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,640 situation? Yeah, well, like we'll, we'll 249 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:59,160 this is this is really for those that feed raw, but I, I have 250 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,680 questions about commercial pet foods too. 251 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,360 So which one do you want to? Start with the recalls are 252 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,920 coming from right. Well, commercial. 253 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,520 Cooked commercial, cooked OK. So because if we're not feeding 254 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:22,280 human grade, how do we we know that there's nothing painted in 255 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,280 there? Well, and that. 256 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,280 And that's my. Cat has to do that has to do 257 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,600 with how do we inactivate this virus because it's an 258 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,840 encapsulated virus. So if we, if we damaged the, the 259 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,280 encapsulation, then it's no, it's, it's an inactive virus 260 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,280 technic unless, unless it figures out how to repair 261 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,800 itself. And so there are mitigation 262 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,920 factors that that we can talk about. 263 00:16:53,200 --> 00:17:00,200 But I want to, if it's OK with you, talk about the recalls 264 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,280 because there is. So it prompted the Northwest 265 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,319 Naturals recall. Murash Meets of Portland is 266 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:11,760 their Packer. They issued a voluntary recall 267 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,800 for their 2 LB Turkey feline recipes due to the highly 268 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,520 pathogenic avian influenza where a house cat died. 269 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:27,480 And I again just want to say I I am so so so sorry that this 270 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,760 house cat died. I honestly wish nothing but like 271 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,680 peace and love to this cat's family. 272 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,960 I hope that they I hope the cat didn't suffer and I hope that 273 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,280 they are at peace with with what has happened. 274 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,560 That being said, Oregon Department of Agriculture did 275 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,480 not do what they were supposed to do when testing this sample. 276 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,920 So they tested the open package that the client, the customer, 277 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,040 the pet parent provided, which did test positive for avian 278 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:08,680 influenza for H5 N 1 and matched the match that the cat they said 279 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:15,480 died of this same strain. Susan Thixon wrote her blog a 280 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,320 while back, right right after this happened, saying it is 281 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,200 mandatory for regulatory authorities to test unopened 282 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,400 samples. The protocol for USDAFDA and all 283 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,680 state departments of agriculture is to test an unopened sample. 284 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:36,040 An unopened sample is not an I'm sorry, an opened sample is not 285 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,320 an acceptable sample to force the company to recall. 286 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,400 An open sample can be contaminated from outside 287 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,080 sources prior to analysis. Laboratory analysis of an open 288 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,720 sample should never be used to issue a press release 289 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,120 frightening a world of pet owners. 290 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,760 That's a quote from Susan Thixton's blog. 291 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,800 And the reason I bring that up is not to shame anybody, not to 292 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,240 make anybody think that, oh, they shouldn't be worried about 293 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,600 feeding raw poultry. I do think that we should be 294 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,760 concerned with our cats and feeding raw poultry. 295 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,920 I just think we need to be a little bit more like not in our 296 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,760 fear brain and, and thinking a little bit more rationally. 297 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:24,680 And so pet food industry PFI issued a blog as well where Pets 298 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,960 Plus contacted and spoke to the owner of this cat. 299 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:30,920 And I'm not going to say her name. 300 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,800 You can find her name if you want to find her name. 301 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:40,200 But the so the the cat's owner said that the infected cat was 302 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,840 not a strictly indoor cat, which was contradictory to the Oregon 303 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,640 Department of Agriculture statement. 304 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,640 And the cat frequently accompanied her owner into pet 305 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,520 stores and appeared often on social media in outdoor 306 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,760 excursions. So it is possible that this 307 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:08,400 opened package of food was contaminated after the company 308 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,880 packaged it. And it got to. 309 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,120 And again, I'm not saying that that's what happened, but that 310 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:18,360 possibility exists because the Oregon Department of Agriculture 311 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:21,440 did not go through the proper testing protocols. 312 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,360 And so we don't know, right? All it takes is that cat coming 313 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:31,160 in, infected somebody using a spoon, and now we've 314 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,080 contaminated the sample. Yeah. 315 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,640 Like it's it's not. It's not hard to contaminate a 316 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,080 sample. I mean, so that's why they have 317 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,560 these regulations where you have to have a closed package. 318 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,840 What I don't understand is why wouldn't they look and by the 319 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,960 time the pet is sick, passes away and there's an 320 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,280 investigation? Also, how long was that package 321 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,920 open? Yeah, there are a lot of 322 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,120 questions like that that we don't know. 323 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:09,480 So currently, to my knowledge, nobody knows if any other 324 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,320 unopened packages have been tested yet. 325 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:18,200 And I, I can see where look NW Naturals already issued their 326 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,640 recall. They, you know, the FDA 327 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,960 contacted them, they issued their voluntary recall at this 328 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,600 point to go back and test and say, no, no, no, no, this was 329 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,200 all wrong. While US like in the healthy pet 330 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,320 food space are like, yes, we want you to do this because we 331 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,720 want to prove that raw food is quote UN quote safe. 332 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,720 The reality is that this pet parent lost her cat. 333 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,680 And there's, there's a whole lot of legal stuff in the background 334 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,200 that of course we may never know. 335 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,800 We may never know if they do or don't test any. 336 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,120 And so there have been two other recalls since then that I want 337 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:04,560 to acknowledge because one of them is not for avian influenza. 338 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,920 And I think it's being wrapped up. 339 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,040 Like I think a lot of people think that it's for H5 N 1 and 340 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:16,200 it's not open Farm issued a huge recall for a ton of lots of food 341 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,360 for having plastic contamination, not avian 342 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,840 influenza. But I think because it's in the 343 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,320 timeline, everybody's like, Oh my gosh. 344 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,080 Another. Another recall. 345 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,920 Yeah. It is not. 346 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,520 It's for plastic contamination. However, there was one other 347 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,320 recall in California and LA County for avian influenza in a 348 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,960 raw food that was being sold locally at. 349 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,640 Farmers market? Yep. 350 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:53,680 Which to me has so much more possibility of having 351 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,920 contamination because they're not necessarily being made 352 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,000 there. These foods may not be made in 353 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,880 commercial kitchens using all of the when when we think and I'm 354 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,680 not saying that I don't love and support and appreciate these mom 355 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,720 and pops doing this kind of thing, but I can see where 356 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,160 contamination. The risk might be higher. 357 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,560 Yeah, risk might, might be higher. 358 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,000 So again, that started out with one cat and then the other cats 359 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,440 in the household. I think it's a total of 6 cats 360 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:32,120 all in one household. So I again, I'm so, so, so sorry 361 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:36,440 to the those cats and pet parents who are dealing with 362 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,720 this. I, I, it's terrible. 363 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,960 I hate it and I'm so sorry. So, so sorry. 364 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,120 The other thing that I want to address is that raw milk is 365 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:54,680 being thrown into the mix here. And I hate that so much because 366 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,680 I did so much. I like, I researched and I 367 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,600 researched and I researched and the only reason I can find the 368 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,840 raw milk would be thrown into this mix is if it is cross 369 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,880 contaminated. So somebody on the farm handling 370 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,600 an infected bird, not properly washing up and then handling the 371 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,280 raw dairy, that's kind of situations. 372 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,480 Because they did. They tested positive for avian. 373 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,080 That could be. Influenza. 374 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,960 But that could happen with literally anything, correct? 375 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,240 So why they're focusing on the raw milk? 376 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:38,400 And it's just, it's as of today, raw farm on November 24th, 2024 377 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,800 and raw milk. So raw milk from raw farm and 378 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560 raw milk from Valley Milk simply bottled. 379 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080 And that was on December 14th. Yeah. 380 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,960 And so again, it's usually on farms that have both the dairy 381 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:59,280 cattle and bird flocks that there's this cross contamination 382 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,880 potential happening. So yeah. 383 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,000 And then somebody said the issue is that there are so many sub 384 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,640 viruses that dogs can be carries. 385 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,600 That's absolutely true. We talked about that at the 386 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,160 beginning. The risk to dogs is less with 387 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,200 this particular. Strain Fatality. 388 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Yes, because they because of the difference in receptors. 389 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,960 We don't, we don't want anybody to get sick. 390 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,120 But obviously if cats are at more risk for more really, 391 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:33,520 really serious illness, then we want to make sure everybody 392 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760 knows. And especially if you do like 393 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,320 like the canine dietitian saying like because dogs can be 394 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,800 carriers. If you have an indoor cat but 395 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,920 your dog is outside, yes, being exposed. 396 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,360 Then they. Exactly factor, right. 397 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,680 So yes, absolutely. Yes, because of the 398 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,200 environmental contamination. And it's in there, it's in it's 399 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,920 in the birds droppings too, right. 400 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320 So like, yes, all they have to do is walk on an infected birds 401 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,200 dropping and now it's in your house, right? 402 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,880 Like that really is like that's, that's one of those things where 403 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,400 where you live and how active the cases are really does 404 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,520 influence, you know, your kind of your behavior choices and 405 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,000 your and your lifestyle. Yeah, or even walking through a 406 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,000 puddle that an infected bird was like bathed in, like, yeah, 407 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,120 exactly. Like, yeah. 408 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,640 So it's it's again, that's why they call it highly pathogenic, 409 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,400 because it is very, very highly contagious. 410 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:37,360 OK, so mitigation, mitigation. There are we know to be true 411 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:42,280 that cooking it, cooking the food is going to mitigate the 412 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,480 risk of the virus. That is true of so many things, 413 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,120 so many viruses. And right now that is the 414 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:55,400 recommendation. The, the biggest overarching 415 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,200 recommendation is to cook the food to cook the poultry 416 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:05,160 specifically. I I know there are some raw 417 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,800 foods that can be gently cooked and there are some that cannot 418 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,360 because the bone fragments are too large so. 419 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,240 No it's not being did you see the comment that made me laugh? 420 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,120 Is the raw milk being contaminated by dairy cows with 421 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:23,640 bird flu? Probably not. 422 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,880 It's probably a cross contamination of dairy cows. 423 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,240 And chickens, yeah, there were some cattle, I think it started 424 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,600 in Texas, some cattle that did become infected with this 425 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,920 particular strain. But that just doesn't seem to be 426 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:44,400 a the biggest concern right now. The biggest concern is with the 427 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080 from birds to cat, yeah, the biggest concern is cross 428 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,040 contamination and then cats eating the raw poultry that 429 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,440 that's the if it's infected, so. The milk is probably being 430 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,440 infected by somebody who handled a sick bird because they have 431 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,720 flocks. This is affecting agricultural 432 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,560 flocks a lot, right? Because they're obviously held 433 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,160 in close proximity. Even if you have a backyard 434 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,160 flock, you keep them all together, right? 435 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,320 So there is there is that closeness that that's why birds 436 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,160 can get so sick so quickly. And so many viruses go through 437 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,240 so many flocks because they are kept in close proximity. 438 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 So they're literally just changing. 439 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,640 And then if somebody who's handling both or somebody who's 440 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,160 literally walking from one part of that farm to another bringing 441 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,760 a contaminated like feces on their on their shoes is going to 442 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,360 be introducing it to either the milk, either the final product 443 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,720 or the cow, right. Like it does. 444 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,320 We don't really know, Yeah. Well and although well we just 445 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,240 said like Kara said as well there yes, some cows have 446 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:54,280 presented with or have been tested and found positive with a 447 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:01,400 string of this avian influenza so. 200 different mammals. 448 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440 It's been counted the past. Ten months. 449 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,560 It's it. It can infect all kinds of. 450 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,520 Different. Mammals, which is crazy. 451 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:18,120 Which also is so OK Cooking is what most recommendations are at 452 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:25,640 this point. I did find that HPP high 453 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,920 pressure processing should be able to kill the virus if the 454 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200 pressure is high enough, so 500 MPA. 455 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480 I'm not an HPP specialist but whatever it I mean that's going 456 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,960 to be like. The pressure is generally 457 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,160 required to ensure viral inactivation and similar 458 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320 viruses. So HPP should because it's going 459 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,360 to again break that like encapsulation that that the 460 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,960 virus is living. Protected. 461 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,720 Protected, yes, thank you there. There was one study that showed 462 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:11,400 that fermentation could also inactivate the virus if it was, 463 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,720 if they dropped, if the pH was between 3.5 and 4 for at least 464 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000 24 to 48 hours. So both with fermentation and 465 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,920 with HPP, it's not just like a blanket do HPP or do 466 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,400 fermentation like there are. There aren't really regulation 467 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,120 in the pet food industry on how to do fermentation or how to do 468 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,240 HPP processing. As far as so for like the 469 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,840 fermentation, the amount of time, the pH, the temperature, 470 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,160 all of that isn't regulated so the the environment has to be 471 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640 right. Same with HPPP, the amount of 472 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240 pressure and for how long is not regulated. 473 00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,400 So one company may do HPP very differently from the next 474 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:08,000 company that does HPP. So yes, both of these processes 475 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,320 can inactivate the virus, but that doesn't necessarily mean 476 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,360 that the brand that you're purchasing it has met the 477 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640 requirements to inactivate. This is what you that makes 478 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960 sense, reach out to the brand. This is when you reach out to 479 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,600 the brand and you ask them, is your process going to kill this 480 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,800 virus? And, and if so, can you tell me 481 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,480 more details? Because you want to know the 482 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,480 details. You want to know how they came 483 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,360 to the conclusion that it is safe And based on what research? 484 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280 Because I mean, I, I, I trust brands, but at the same time, I 485 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400 also know that, you know, it's a very poor business decision to 486 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,160 tell people, no, it's not safe. Don't feed it without recalling. 487 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600 It. So you know, they need to, they 488 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,800 need to back up whatever statement they make. 489 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,000 That's true. And one of the things that I was 490 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,800 having a hard time finding is testing specifically for this 491 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,240 specific strain of virus. So what I was finding is that we 492 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400 what we know to be true in similar strains of viruses. 493 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,520 And I and I know quite a few raw food brands that have posted 494 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,680 that, you know, they are working to find out how do we how do we 495 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,440 get to the point where we can test specifically for this 496 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,200 virus? It's just, it's not even a new 497 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,320 virus, but it's a new problem for the pet food world to have 498 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,720 to deal with is is kind of where I think we're at with that. 499 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,680 So wow, that actually went a lot quicker than I thought it was 500 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,360 going to going to go. I have started started listening 501 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,800 to a video that Doctor Connor Brady did and this is it. 502 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,640 In no way political at all. If you listen to his video, 503 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,360 which I will post the link for after we get off of this call, 504 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,120 it is not at all political. It is 100% about the data, about 505 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,880 the studies that have come out since 2020. 506 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,520 And he is making a huge correlation between the pandemic 507 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400 that we just went through and what we're starting to see with 508 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,640 bird flu right now. And what I will say is that in 509 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:38,040 July of 2024, Moderna was awarded $176,000,000 to develop 510 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040 a pre pandemic NRNA vaccine for H5 N 1. 511 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,520 So again, I'm not getting political at all here, but what 512 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,560 I am saying is that there is a lot of money to be made in fear. 513 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,280 Oh, always, yeah. And so I don't want people to 514 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,320 make decisions based in fear. I want people to do the 515 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,760 research, go, I mean, don't even listen to me, go behind me. 516 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,159 Do the research, find the study, find what's actually going on, 517 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:16,480 contact your specific brands of foods that you're feeding and 518 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:23,520 find out what they're doing. Sourcing is, to me better than 519 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,320 any anything else we could be. Like whether you're talking 520 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,080 about cooking the food, whether you want to go down the 521 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,560 fermentation or the HPP rabbit hole, whatever you want to do, 522 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,280 sourcing is the biggest component in this whole thing. 523 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,560 So trusting the brand of food that you're purchasing to be 524 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,480 sourcing from farms that are clean, that are testing their 525 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,360 flocks, that are raising their animals in a more natural way 526 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,600 that are, that is where I really, really, really want you 527 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,960 to spend more, more of your time than anything instead of in fear 528 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,280 in actually knowing what you're feeding to your pet. 529 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,240 Because yes, any, any poultry for human consumption in the 530 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,280 United States right now is supposed to be testing for this 531 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,840 virus. But we also know that what you 532 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,720 buy at the grocery store has allowable levels of all sorts of 533 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,640 things. Raw pet food, by the way, pet 534 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,760 food in general has a 0 tolerance. 535 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,840 They are not supposed to have any pathogenic bacteria 536 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,800 whatsoever. What you buy at the grocery 537 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120 store has allowable levels. That doesn't necessarily mean 538 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,560 that on a normal day without a pandemic going on, that within a 539 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,200 healthy dog or cat that they wouldn't be able to handle that 540 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120 pathogenic bacteria. They should be able to. 541 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600 So I'm not saying don't, don't feed grocery store meat, but 542 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160 what I am saying is that know the difference, know the 543 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,640 difference in the quality of the food that you're feeding to your 544 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,280 pet so that, you know, if you need to be at a heightened level 545 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,720 of awareness of what you're feeding. 546 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Yeah, you. Have a puppy, You have a senior, 547 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,120 you have a sick, compromised, immunocompromised pet. 548 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,880 Do you have to be extra careful than you would with you, your 549 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:25,080 adult happy, healthy pet, right? And also, I feel like knowing 550 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,640 that you can kind of change things, don't be stuck on 551 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,760 something like if you have been doing something a certain way, 552 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,440 maybe now is a good opportunity to try something different, try 553 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520 something new, transition out of something that could be risky 554 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,520 and just kind of play see it play out instead of like taking 555 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,240 the risk of continuing to feed something that is borderline a 556 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,040 risk. There are other options out 557 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,920 there. And there right now the focus is 558 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,880 on raw milk and obviously poultry where this is, you know, 559 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,840 it's spread so quickly in avian species. 560 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,240 So just maybe start to feed something different for a while 561 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,400 and keep an an eye out and an ear out for any other 562 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,320 developments, right? Because if we had told you that 563 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,400 there was going to be avian flu in raw milk, you'd be like, 564 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,800 how'd that happen, right? But like now we know that that's 565 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,280 there and we know that 200 different mammals have been 566 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,480 infected. So it's not, you know, just 567 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,680 poultry. So now, if you stay abreast of 568 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,680 the situation, then you know how it progresses because it's only 569 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,720 going to progress, right? It's only going to get more 570 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,000 rampant. This is a highly contagious 571 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:43,440 virus that is in 50 states already, mostly in birds. 572 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520 Some places have confirmed cases of mammals, right? 573 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,280 We've already lost at least one cat, pet cat in the US. 574 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:59,080 This is only going to get more rampant, especially if there is 575 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640 some kind of vaccine in development. 576 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,200 Then obviously they wouldn't be. I'll play devil's advocate like 577 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,880 they're not going to invest in a virus that's not real, right, 578 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,640 That doesn't exist because nobody's going to get that. 579 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,760 But also the media is they're going to pay to promote this 580 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,760 vaccine that is meant to keep you safe from something that is 581 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,000 real, right? So like, I'll do both sides. 582 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,760 Yeah, your Moderna is going to develop the vaccine for 583 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,000 something that is real and they're going to make you afraid 584 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000 of getting it so that you bought get the vaccine. 585 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,840 And then also the they wouldn't have gone into development of 586 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160 this vaccine if this virus wasn't actually highly 587 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,120 contagious, right? There are 1,000,000 viruses they 588 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,800 could have focused on why this one, right? 589 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,360 So like, clearly there is something here, this is highly 590 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,400 contagious. Clearly there is something here 591 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,800 where it's going to different species, where it's going to 592 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000 different mammals. We are mammals where we can get 593 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,120 sick so far because we as humans don't eat raw chicken. 594 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:04,440 Yeah, we're probably safer than the outdoor cat that's hunting 595 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,960 birds outside, right? Like, that's really where it 596 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,800 comes down to our risk factors are lower. 597 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,240 But that doesn't mean that it won't get to the point where we 598 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,920 are directly at risk. It just we don't know that. 599 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920 Right. So knowing that this is starting 600 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680 here and it's going to get worse, not better, because I 601 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,600 think we can both agree it's not going to get better. 602 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,400 I mean, nobody stands to make a profit if it gets better on its 603 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,360 own. Correct SO. 604 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,960 We need to start taking steps now to prevent future problems. 605 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:40,000 But the reality is, and this is completely my opinion, the 606 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,080 reality is that it might get worse before it gets better, but 607 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,760 it will get better without. Yes. 608 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,520 That's. Really. 609 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,800 You just said yes without what you just said yes. 610 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,280 Without medical intervention. And the reason I believe that is 611 00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,720 because of what we did see in the last pandemic and the 612 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,360 numbers and the statistics there as. 613 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,240 And just the way the way viruses work, right? 614 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,720 Like that's literally how they. Work. 615 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:17,560 Yeah, and a virus will very quickly mutate and change to be 616 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,600 able to live because that is its only goal. 617 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:29,400 And with cats dying so quickly that they're they're not able to 618 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,040 do that. They can't. 619 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,920 They can't replicate. Yeah, I mean it. 620 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,840 Kills something so. Quickly it's it's why we saw the 621 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,240 C word, the pandemic, whatever hurt so many so quickly at the 622 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,120 beginning. And then now it's just kind of 623 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,400 part of what we live in, right? Because the viruses as they 624 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,800 mutate get less severe, less impact. 625 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,480 We get more, I guess, survivors of the virus, like you said, 626 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000 right, because it wants to survive, it wants to continue to 627 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640 spread. So yeah, I agree it will get 628 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680 better. We will see it kind of get under 629 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200 out of control. And I think media is going to 630 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,600 push that to like just because if people are scared of 631 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,960 something, the media is going to cover it. 632 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160 Like that's right. It's there's, I said this 633 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,880 before, it's like if it bleeds, it leads in the media, right? 634 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,560 Like if people are really talking about it, there's buzz, 635 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,360 there's news like it's going to be covered more because that's 636 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,480 what the media wants to do. They want to reach people who 637 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,280 want answers and if you are asking the questions, they're 638 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,560 going to try to give you the answers. 639 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,440 So it's going to get really hyped up and you have to be 640 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,440 aware that it is something that is not going to affect you 641 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,400 personally right now. Potentially it could get worse. 642 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,760 It could get to the point where we get really bad news about it. 643 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,680 But there are steps you can take right now, like contacting the 644 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,600 brand manufacturer, changing the protein that you feed, keeping, 645 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,000 maybe putting a little stop on any raw, raw milks that you or 646 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,600 your family or your pets are consuming. 647 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,600 For now, just keep it like kind of like a little bit of a watch 648 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,920 as we go, but take some precautions because I hate the 649 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600 idea that like everywhere I look now, it's avian flu, avian flu, 650 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,400 avian flu, avian flu. And like, people are freaking 651 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,560 out. Like people are free. 652 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880 And what they're not doing is worrying about the things that 653 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,640 really are in their environment and really are concerns for them 654 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,000 and their family, like norovirus, RSV, all these things 655 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,520 that like if you have a baby, don't worry about avian flu, 656 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080 worry about RSV, right? Like that's speaking more 657 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,800 seriously about things. Yes. 658 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200 And and the other thing again with and I'll post the link to 659 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,040 Doctor Connor Brady's video because he is going through the 660 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,720 studies and the statistics so much more in detail than I have 661 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:55,240 the capacity to. Honestly, the trend we saw is 662 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,960 that medical intervention made it worse. 663 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,320 And so that's what I really want to like I don't again, I'm not 664 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,440 being political at all with this, but we know, we know it 665 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880 just happened. It was only five years ago. 666 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,040 It wasn't that long ago. We know it just happened and I 667 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,480 don't want to see that happen again and I I in my opinion, 668 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,120 it's like two birds, one stone right? 669 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,800 The FDA has had it out for raw food forever. 670 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440 The FDA has had it out for raw milk forever. 671 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,200 And why not right? Why not? 672 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,760 In my opinion, I'm. Right. 673 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,600 No, I mean, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely for 674 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,920 them, like I told you so, right? Like I told you so, right. 675 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,520 It definitely is. I think that the biggest thing 676 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840 is I'm with you. Medical intervention is one of 677 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,840 the things that I do last, like when it really has to happen. 678 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,600 My first point of I mean I get. Hit by a car? 679 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,200 I want medical intervention first. 680 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,880 Well, no, I. Mean. 681 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,600 Virus. Yeah, I'm talking for a virus. 682 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,120 For a virus that can mutate so quickly. 683 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,640 No, Right. Like, we know, we we knew this. 684 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,480 We knew this prior to 2020. But now it's in our faces. 685 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,800 Yeah. That we it's like, please don't 686 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,160 forget again. For me for for any virus, and I 687 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200 have two little kids, We have viruses in this house all the 688 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160 time. My poor sister has a baby who's 689 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,400 like been sick since Thanksgiving because of all the 690 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,760 things that poor babies been exposed to through my family. 691 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280 But with viruses, the biggest thing that I always do is 692 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,280 support the immune system before you get a virus, right? 693 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,400 Like that's the biggest thing, good food, feeding quality 694 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,160 foods, getting exercise, getting sunlight, all those things that 695 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,520 support the immune system. And that's something that all of 696 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,640 us as pet parents can do. You know, it is a new year and 697 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,800 we did talk about resolutions. Well, get out and walk your dog. 698 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,960 Don't be scared that there might be bird droppings on the ground. 699 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,480 I mean, unless there is literally an outbreak on your 700 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,000 street, you get that dog walking, get that dog out in 701 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440 nature, Make sure that you're feeding that dog or cat the best 702 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,720 food you can afford. Make sure that if it is a 703 00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,560 potentially risky food, you're talking about the sourcing of 704 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,120 that food with the manufacturer. Contact them. 705 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200 They are meant to answer your questions. 706 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,880 But keep living your life and keep prioritizing their immune 707 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480 system and their overall health. Get them to the veterinarian if 708 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520 they're seniors to get some panels done to make sure that 709 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,480 their bodies are functioning properly. 710 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,520 You can. Colloidal silver is something 711 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,200 that we use a lot in our house. Those are, you know, remedies, 712 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,360 home remedies, natural remedies, herbs and all sorts of things 713 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,280 exist that can help keep things at Bay. 714 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,960 Like keep everything at Bay, not just this particular virus. 715 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,160 Also making sure that you're maintaining a clean home. 716 00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,880 Wash your dog's bowls, wash your kitchen and your sink after you 717 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800 cook with even with poultry, like for your family, like make 718 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040 sure you're making good decisions instead of panicking 719 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320 and running out to get a vaccine that may or may not protect you, 720 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,960 right? Because like you said, they're 721 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,720 different strains. So like just like the flu 722 00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,480 vaccine, they do like the strains they think are going to 723 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,000 be most active, but you might get a different flu strain and 724 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,360 that vaccine did nothing for you. 725 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,680 But instead, start by maintaining your home, 726 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,280 maintaining your pets bowls, cleaning your sink, disinfecting 727 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,360 your stuff, you know, keeping your cat indoors. 728 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,120 Like that's a big one, especially if you're in an area 729 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,040 in the Pacific Northwest. If you go to the CDC, the 730 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,880 reported cases of bird flu are so it's so much there. 731 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,120 So you an indoor outdoor cat? Like bring them indoors? 732 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,960 And like, don't wear your shoes in the house And like there's, 733 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,360 there are a lot of things I happen to I use colloidal silver 734 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,040 as sparingly as I would any other antibiotic. 735 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560 I think it's amazing, but I don't like there. 736 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,560 I, I'm very, there are a handful of things that I'm very, very 737 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,200 cautious about talking to people about crate training, colloidal 738 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,320 silver or like right there at the top, because they can very, 739 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,720 very quickly and easily be abused. 740 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,200 I think exactly less is. More so, yeah, like, love it. 741 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,320 Have it on hand, but it's not something that I want to be 742 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,760 using every day. But and herbs too, like we talk 743 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960 about herbs being super potent, right? 744 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520 So like you need to be dosing them accordingly. 745 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,840 You need to be using the right herb for the right thing. 746 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,160 Homeopathy as well. I love homeopathy. 747 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,160 We use it a ton in my house. But that little sugar pill is 748 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,920 potent. So you have to make sure that 749 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,040 you're using it for the right remedies for the right things. 750 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,440 So you know, yes, on every remedy. 751 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,160 I'm all about it. Garlic, yes, even for pets, yes, 752 00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,040 but how much? And you know what quality and 753 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,520 all that good stuff, you know, so you don't want to overfeed 754 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440 your pet anything. And too much of anything is not 755 00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,440 good. Even the most. 756 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,000 We use colloidal silver as toned for my son who has sleep apnea. 757 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,320 He's a mouth breather and we spray because he gets tonsil 758 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,360 stones. I'm only allowed to do 1 spray, 759 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,320 like the bottle says 20, but we do it so often that we can do 760 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080 one spray a day. So, yeah, those kinds of things 761 00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,280 you need to make sure you are doing less is more, yeah. 762 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,400 And starting slow, ramping up, making sure that you are keeping 763 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,720 an eye on any symptoms and any symptoms that you think, 764 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,760 especially if you're in an area that has a lot of reported 765 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,920 cases. If your pet gets sick, go to the 766 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400 vet, right? Like if your pet is showing 767 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,800 signs loss of appetite, you're it's they're not eating, they're 768 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,640 not really active, they're throwing up, they have diarrhea. 769 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,720 You can tell that there's upper respiratory issues going on. 770 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000 Do not wait, especially if you are in an area where there are a 771 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,640 lot of confirmed cases, especially if you have an indoor 772 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,480 outdoor cat, especially if you go hiking a lot with your dog. 773 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,920 All of those things, you know, we, we want to make sure that 774 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,160 we're remembering our personal risk factors for all of these 775 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,840 things. Yeah. 776 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:12,080 Because that to me, it makes me crazy when I, I see coverage of 777 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,240 a situation and I'll use this, this completely unrelated to 778 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,080 anything that we're talking about today. 779 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,440 This was about tetanus, and this was a family. 780 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,640 And on a farm, the kid gets, you know, has a puncture wound. 781 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,360 The family stitches it up. Oh wow. 782 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,360 Then the kid ends up in the hospital for three months 783 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:44,440 because they got tetanus and now they're using this as a sign 784 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,400 that techness is alive and well and, and, and scary for 785 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,640 everybody. 1, I don't live on a farm. 2, If my kid had a 786 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,240 puncture wound, I'd go to the doctor. 787 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,360 Three, I would never stitch anybody because I am not a 788 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,960 doctor, right? So the risk factor that that 789 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,760 family had is a risk factor that I would never have. 790 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:10,720 That child had that risk because the family took that risk and 791 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,840 lived in a risky area. And that stick that he was 792 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,120 punctured with was in a risky area that that doesn't exist for 793 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,640 me. So when people use these, these 794 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,920 like one-size-fits-all risk factors, like everybody is in 795 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,800 danger, everybody's going to die, everybody's cat's going to 796 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,080 get sick. That makes me think, no, because 797 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880 we don't all live in the same home, in the same area, in the 798 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,760 same house. We don't have the same cat. 799 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,920 You know my cat is 2, the cat, you know the cat down the street 800 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,480 who's 21. Definitely different risk 801 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,600 factors, right? So remember that you all can 802 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,840 only control your risk factor. What you feed, how you feed it, 803 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,840 when you feed it, how you clean, where you go out, where you hang 804 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,880 out, where your dog is, how long it's been since their last 805 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680 dental, how long it's been since their last vet visit. 806 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,080 And you know, senior panel, whatever it is that gives you 807 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,200 more information than anything you're going to get on the 808 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,200 media. Like Please remember that. 809 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,920 And you can control. There's a lot you can control. 810 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,440 There is, and I, I mean, me personally, my cats are 15 and 811 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:24,040 16 and they don't really eat raw poultry anyway. 812 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,720 Most of what they eat raw is like rabbit and duck and pork, 813 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:37,040 things like that, some beef. So I don't anticipate making any 814 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,000 huge changes in, in my household. 815 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,920 But if you are, because I know a lot of cats do prefer, you know, 816 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,160 mine loves chicken, mine loves chicken. 817 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:52,040 So I mean, if it, if my cats were eating raw chicken, I think 818 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,760 out of an abundance of caution, I, if, if I, if I were feeding a 819 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,840 brand that I didn't know, if I, if I were on the fence of having 820 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:11,120 faith in their sourcing, I would see if it's something that I can 821 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,320 cook. If, if they're using eggshell 822 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,000 powder, you can cook it, gently cook it. 823 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,760 If they, you know, double, triple grind the bone, you can 824 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,720 gently cook it or like you said earlier, switch to another 825 00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,040 protein. If they're only going to eat 826 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,800 meat, poultry, then I might actually switch to cooking the 827 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:39,440 meat, meat and organ meat and then using another animal for 828 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,520 bone or doing an egg shell or something like that. 829 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,160 Like there are things we can do to make adjustments if we feel 830 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,560 like we need to make adjustments. 831 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:55,960 And obviously the easiest is just to switch proteins or 832 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,800 switch to something that is gently cooked for the time 833 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,160 being, if that's what you're going to, you know, feel more 834 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,240 comfortable doing because there are, there are commercially 835 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,720 available gently cooked foods out there that are pretty, 836 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,560 pretty darn good quality. I mean, a lot of them do have 837 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,920 higher carbohydrate content than than what you're going to find 838 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,800 in a raw or freeze dried food. Generally speaking, most freeze 839 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480 dried foods that I know of are HPP. 840 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080 There may be some that aren't here in the United States. 841 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,320 Again, what I'm talking about, but I did see that Diane was 842 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,440 asking is the disease in the UKI don't know the specifics about 843 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,960 the statistics in the UK, but I do know that it is worldwide 844 00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,680 that A5 in one has been found all over the world. 845 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,880 Julie says. I just lost my 23 year old 846 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,480 Kitty. I saw that Julie, I'm so sorry. 847 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,320 I'm not on Facebook very much anymore, and honestly, I think 848 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,800 I've decided in 2025 I'm done. But anyway, she thrived on raw 849 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,040 and haunted in her younger days until age 18. 850 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,360 No chemicals on our little farm. She lived a great life. 851 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160 I miss her. 23 years just wasn't long enough. 852 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,480 That's so sweet. And I'm sure she had such an 853 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,280 amazing, yeah, such an amazing life. 854 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,560 Julie, I am sure you were so excited for tomorrow. 855 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,120 By the way, we've got just a few minutes left tomorrow. 856 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,520 Tickets go on sale for The More You know Pet Wellness Summit in 857 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,240 Williamsburg, VA. And Amanda is going to be on my 858 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,560 podcast tomorrow talking about it. 859 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,280 I actually am publishing it earlier in the day than I 860 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,240 normally do at like. 6:00 AM Because people can go. 861 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,480 People can, yeah. So people can listen because 862 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,880 tickets are going to go on sale like first thing in the morning 863 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:54,320 East Coast time and don't forget to get I'm sure, I'm sure Amanda 864 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,240 is like here's your ticket now I'm just kidding cuz Julie is 865 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,080 such a good customer at a nautical dog. 866 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,400 But yeah, I. Really, she ate a lot of raw 867 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,600 chicken. And you know what? 868 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,920 My cat loves chicken. We don't do raw here. 869 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:16,240 If we do raw, it's it's freeze dried raw from Green Juju or I 870 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,560 just bought some other I got some other stuff. 871 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,360 I won it. Remind me the name of it. 872 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,040 You got, did you get Steve's? Steve's. 873 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,720 Yeah, you got Steve's. Is that what Steve's so? 874 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,240 Yeah, Yeah, I think so. So I just, I want a shopping 875 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:36,840 spree at at only Natural Pet and it was great. 876 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:41,160 And so we don't do that because I have two little kids and I 877 00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,480 don't trust them not to touch the pet bowls and nuts to get 878 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,880 into the things and stuff. So like, we don't do raw 879 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,760 poultry, but I bet you my cat would love it. 880 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,440 And I think it's, it's really sad that like something that our 881 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,440 cats, you know, love is, is dangerous. 882 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,320 But I personally am not as concerned for raw feeders as I 883 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,560 am for indoor outdoor cat owners. 884 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,080 Like that's really where my fear goes to because I think, and I 885 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040 know that there are, there are, yeah, you're going to have to 886 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,720 fight for your ticket like everybody else. 887 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,760 That's awesome. So I, I will say that like most 888 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,800 raw feeders I know are so, so incredibly responsible and so 889 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:30,320 educated and so aware of sourcing and they're asking all 890 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,800 the right questions. So when I see these recalls and 891 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,360 stuff, like, I worry more about the people who are like, their 892 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,680 orders are on like, you know, subscription and they just get 893 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,640 whatever. And they didn't even know, you 894 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,040 know what I mean? Like she's still feeding raw 895 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,240 chicken. Savage cat. 896 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,560 Yeah. Those are my concern is more so 897 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,000 for the people who are completely unaware of what's 898 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,600 happening, how it's a because they hear bird flu, they don't 899 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,480 think anything about the cat. They don't think anything about 900 00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,680 how it affects humans, right, because they think just birds, 901 00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,960 birds are dying. That's what people are thinking. 902 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,040 So share this with people so that people know talk to people 903 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,840 about that, you know who are pet lovers, Let them know what's 904 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,280 happening. Remind you know your pet. 905 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,040 If you have a pet sitter, dog Walker, you know, ask them to 906 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,760 take their shoes off or ask them to remind them to wash their 907 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,200 hands. They should be doing that. 908 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,400 Like all of the pet sitters I work with are super 909 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,120 professional. They're taking care between 910 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,640 visits. They're a lot of them will wear 911 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,240 shoe covers if you provide them. If you're scared that's and, or 912 00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,800 somewhere where bird flu is really rampant, ask them to do 913 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,880 that. You know, get creative about how 914 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,200 you protect your little home and educate your friends. 915 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,040 Because that's really where I feel like it's most dangerous is 916 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000 like if you live somewhere where it's really prevalent, you may 917 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,240 not even know that your cat's being exposed, exposed. 918 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,640 And it's not through the food. Like I'm not worried about food. 919 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,040 I'm worried more about environment. 920 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,120 Yeah, I actually am too. I just know that so many people 921 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160 are concerned about the food because that's where the media 922 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,800 is. Exactly, and I do think it is so 923 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,160 much more the environment, but also the environment of where 924 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,160 the food you're feeding is coming from, which is why it is 925 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,720 so important to. Yes, but even for us, this is 926 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,120 this is a really good reminder for us as consumers, even for 927 00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,720 human grade things, right? Like when we go to stores, like 928 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,240 This is why we need to be concerned about our food supply. 929 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,680 This is why we need to be concerned about factory farming. 930 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,080 This is why we need to be really, really careful with 931 00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,880 where we spend our money and who we support and how we source our 932 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,760 food for our families. Because this is not, this is 933 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,760 this is all intermingled. The agriculture is all 934 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,760 intermingled. It's not just pets, it's not 935 00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,720 just humans, it's all of it. And for now we're hearing the 936 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,200 recalls in the pet foods. I mean, who knows what's coming 937 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,800 down the line. Well, yeah, and I even got I 938 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,960 went down the rabbit hole of like so much of our poultry in 939 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,760 the United States is shipped to China for processing and then 940 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:15,480 shipped back here for sale knowing that this. 941 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,520 Well, the first case that I could find that it was highly 942 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,920 pathogenic was in China. The first human case that I 943 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:29,120 could find was in Hong Kong. So and they have they they can 944 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,080 don't, they don't always, but certain areas in China they 945 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,280 actually require their birds are vaccinated. 946 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,920 So that was my like, I went down the rabbit hole of like, OK, 947 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,160 well, if an American farm is shipping poultry to China to be 948 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,280 processed, are they going to require vaccine? 949 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,320 Like I went down the radical. Currently that's not the case. 950 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160 They're not requiring. Alexa. 951 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,520 Or poultry to be vaccinated. But I mean, there's so much 952 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,000 about our food supply and our food system that I don't even 953 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,400 know to be able to tell you. About No, we don't. 954 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,960 These are things. We don't want to know. 955 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,360 Like we don't want to know. It's disgusting. 956 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,120 It's scary. I mean, it makes you not want to 957 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,040 eat any kind of protein, especially like that. 958 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,600 You haven't, you know, gotten down the street at a ranch or 959 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,680 something that's nearby. Nor and Flo Con is asking why is 960 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,160 it more dangerous for cats? If you joined later in the 961 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,480 conversation, it's because cats have a receptor that is similar 962 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,120 to birds and that it basically allows the virus to do more 963 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,560 damage for lack of a better explanation. 964 01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,160 So if it transmits to them, but it also it transmits to 965 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,560 everybody, but it hurts them more like it's proves more fatal 966 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,600 in cats. So yeah, this is dog 967 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,120 contracting. I mean, I depending on where you 968 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,840 look, it's up to, I mean, some places are saying it's 100% 969 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,040 fatality in cats. I don't, I'm unclear on that. 970 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,720 And I think maybe we are unclear on that because it's all 971 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,160 unfolding right now, right? Yeah. 972 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,720 Yeah. So basically dogs don't have 973 01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,480 that receptor. So it doesn't like kind of so it 974 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,360 doesn't fuel it the fire as easily in a in a dog as it does 975 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,640 in a cat or even in a human right like. 976 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,880 Yeah. So in so birds have it infects 977 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,880 the H5 N one virus, infects cells by binding to A23 links 978 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,680 salic acid receptors which are abundant in the respiratory and 979 01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,360 intestinal tracts of birds. They are also present in some 980 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,720 mammals including cats. The cat's respiratory system 981 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,320 have these A23 linked cialic acid receptors making them 982 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,600 exceptionally susceptible. Dogs on the other hand have more 983 01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,560 A26 cialic acid receptors. So they are still at risk, it's 984 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,880 just not as severe of a risk. It's just like a fire. 985 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,240 It's like a little match that kind of in a dog will dwindle a 986 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,320 little bit and then in a cat will ignite. 987 01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,320 And that's really what that's why we need to be so aware of 988 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,640 what species we have. They're individual risk factors 989 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,120 and we may not know, you know, everything we like you said, 990 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,280 it's, it's unfolding. We don't know everything we need 991 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,840 to know. We don't. 992 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:34,760 And I feel like once once it starts impacting our food supply 993 01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,240 more, especially humans, then it, that's when it gets more 994 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,640 attention, right? Like that's when it becomes more 995 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,400 more of an issue and that's when people get more interested. 996 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,440 But by then it's often too late, right? 997 01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,680 Like the damage is really spread by. 998 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,800 That and so I said that I was going to share something that 999 01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,720 Doctor Judy Morgan posted and I'm trying to find it here. 1000 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,800 And you were going to share the the conversation from the 1001 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,800 doctor? Doctor Colin. 1002 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,720 Doctor Connor Brady. Yeah, he's Connor Brady. 1003 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,560 So he, I'm going to post that. So I have a graph. 1004 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,400 Well, I have like a carousel of graphics to post when we get 1005 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,960 off. And when I share that to my 1006 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,240 stories, I'll also include the link to to Doctor Connor Brady's 1007 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,080 video, which I'm still watching. But he is breaking down what 1008 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:38,600 happened and in the last pandemic and why we're already 1009 01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,440 seeing correlation. And we need to take the 1010 01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,800 information that we learned basically from the last pandemic 1011 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:50,960 and apply it now and again just for anybody who is just joining. 1012 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:58,280 In July 2024, Moderna was awarded $176,000,000 to develop 1013 01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,080 a pre pandemic mRNA H5 avian flu vaccine. 1014 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,640 So I say that again because this is what Doctor Judy Morgan 1015 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,160 posted and she actually reposted this from one of her friends. 1016 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,680 But it says in the upcoming weeks and months, the media will 1017 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,520 create a narrative about the dangers of bird flu. 1018 01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:25,520 Here are the facts about Aldens AUDENZ, the vaccine they've 1019 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,000 prepared for bird flu. It is made using the kidney cell 1020 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,440 line of a dog, a Cocker spaniel to be exact. 1021 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:39,760 This cell line is called Maiden Darby Canine Kidney MDCK cells. 1022 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,600 The vaccine insert specifically states that MDCK cell protein 1023 01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:50,760 and MDCKDNA, which is dog kidney DNA, is found inside of each 1024 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720 vaccine. This vaccine also contains 1025 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,560 thimerosal, a mercury derivative and very toxic. 1026 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,640 It also contains polysorbate 80, which is carcinogenic and is 1027 01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,240 known to increase in the incidence of Crohn's disease. 1028 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,560 It also contains beta propion lactone. 1029 01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:21,280 BPL is shown to be highly tumorigenic, genotoxic and 1030 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,920 carcinogenic and experimental animals. 1031 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,680 That's just the ingredients. As for the trials, they, there 1032 01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:34,880 were many serious adverse effects or SA ES and fatalities. 1033 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,760 So, and the reason that again, the reason I'm sharing that is 1034 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,000 because I truly believe that while yes, we do need to be 1035 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,520 aware, we may even want to change some of the things that 1036 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,160 we are doing for our pets because it is very highly 1037 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,680 contagious and fatal in cats specifically. 1038 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,520 Don't, don't, please, please, please don't fall for the fear 1039 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,920 and rushed into getting or accepting any animal species, 1040 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,520 including the chickens and other poultry that we raise for food 1041 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:21,160 in the United States to get a vaccine like this that could 1042 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:27,680 potentially cause more damage than again, we'd go back to the 1043 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,200 whole virus that is mutate very quickly. 1044 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,680 And when we introduce a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, it 1045 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200 doesn't work out the way they say it's going to work. 1046 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,880 Out Well, and here we are. We have a couple comments. 1047 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,360 We'll wrap with these. But so my friend keeps chickens 1048 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,040 and walks to my front door. Should I be worried that he's 1049 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,560 carrying the virus on his shoes? I mean, no, if there's a virus, 1050 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,760 it's going to be in your vicinity anyway. 1051 01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,400 Like that particular friend is no more risk than, you know, the 1052 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,200 other neighbor because wild birds are the ones who are 1053 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,840 spreading this in their, you know, in their droppings too. 1054 01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,640 So unless your friend has chickens with confirmed avian 1055 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,880 flu, I wouldn't treat him any differently than any other 1056 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,200 friend, to be honest with you. But yes, you know, your friends 1057 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,600 with the chickens, anybody who raises chickens, just, you know, 1058 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,680 make sure that there's no wild bird droppings falling in their, 1059 01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,560 you know, in their coop or anything like that. 1060 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520 Because that really is especially again if you're 1061 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,680 somewhere and I think Diane, you had asked about the UK and there 1062 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,200 are confirmation there are confirmed cases mostly in 1063 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:43,440 agricultural, you know, chicken processing, raising plants and 1064 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,760 farms. So it's mostly agricultural. 1065 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,720 And then this is Noor. And Flocon says This is why I 1066 01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,360 don't believe this BS about the disease. 1067 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,600 We have to stop being paranoic. Absolutely. 1068 01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,240 That's one of the things that's so important for me is to not 1069 01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,720 make anybody paranoid about anything because stress is 1070 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,840 actually the worst thing we can do for ourselves. 1071 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,080 Our pets feed off of that energy and they don't want anything 1072 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,880 like that, you know, to be in their home. 1073 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,240 They want, we want our homes to be like this beautiful sanctuary 1074 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:17,359 where we can feel safe. So if you just do the regular 1075 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,560 stuff that you know is right to do, wash your bowls, you know, 1076 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,640 clean up properly after processing or, you know, make 1077 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,600 cooking raw meat for yourself or your family, you know, make good 1078 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,439 decisions about what food you're feeding yourself, your family, 1079 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,240 your pets, you're going to be just fine. 1080 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,960 The chances are you're going to be just fine. 1081 01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,319 And obviously, if you have, you know, you should for food 1082 01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,520 recalls and this should be global is if you purchase 1083 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,200 something, they should e-mail you, you know, especially if you 1084 01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,319 use something like chewy sprouts. 1085 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,000 So I just got a recall for some granola balls that I give my 1086 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,880 kids and I got from Whole food. I got an e-mail from Sprouts, 1087 01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,200 from Whole Foods and from Target. 1088 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,359 So in the past year I bought them in all those places. 1089 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,359 So a lot of these places will e-mail you. 1090 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,359 So keeping an eye on stuff, making sure that you're on, you 1091 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:11,240 know, if you purchase always from let's say Green Juju, get 1092 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,960 on their mailing list, you know, they have an e-mail list, get on 1093 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,600 their e-mail list. That way you got an e-mail if 1094 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,359 they have to communicate anything with you, just be 1095 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,160 smart. Don't, don't be paranoic. 1096 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120 Absolutely not because it's not worth it unless you live 1097 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000 somewhere where your risk factor, you have determined that 1098 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,319 your risk factor for this particular virus or any virus is 1099 01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,520 high, then you know, you look at other things that you can do. 1100 01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,279 But like, we're both in Texas where it's really not that 1101 01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,880 prevalent. So the Northwest a lot more. 1102 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,960 I I am continuing to drink raw milk. 1103 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:48,439 I'm not concerned. I mean, I understand if somebody 1104 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,760 else is right and that is completely up to you, but I am 1105 01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,280 continuing to drink raw milk. Because you've assessed your 1106 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,600 risk factor and you don't feel that it is necessary to make any 1107 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,160 changes. And that's exactly what we want 1108 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,440 for like that's why we do this is so that we can be like, this 1109 01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,800 is what we know. You do what works for you and 1110 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,040 your family. Like never. 1111 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,480 You're going to hear Jessica being like, you better stop 1112 01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:14,760 doing this. And I'm, you know, Jessica and I 1113 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,640 don't raise our pets the same way. 1114 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,360 We don't feed our pets the same way, but we keep each other 1115 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,440 informed. Like I have been feeding a 1116 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,560 particular brand that she saw on a recall and she texted it to me 1117 01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,760 being like, hey, like they're on a recall list. 1118 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,840 I hadn't been feeding them for a little bit, but she kept an eye 1119 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,120 on it for me just like I would for her. 1120 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,880 Because at the end of the day, you have to do it works for your 1121 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,400 family and living in fear is not going to work for any family, 1122 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,520 like at all. I mean, I remember when I became 1123 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,480 a first time mom and I was so scared of every virus, every 1124 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,360 virus. Like, yeah, I was like, spraying 1125 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,320 everybody's hands with hand sanitizer, I think. 1126 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,840 I think my mom got like a flu shot before coming, which I 1127 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,640 never asked her to do. But she was also super paranoid 1128 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,320 about making my kids sick and all this stuff. 1129 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,000 And now I'm like, they're seven and four and it is impossible to 1130 01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,720 protect them from every virus when my friends are like, you 1131 01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,560 know, you want to get together. I don't know. 1132 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,040 One has boogers. We're like, they all have 1133 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,640 boogers. Like, I mean, let's just get 1134 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,000 together anyway, right? Because the social aspect of 1135 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,640 getting together is so good for them. 1136 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,160 And we're outside in the park, they're playing, they're being 1137 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,920 active. So the boogers not really on my 1138 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,200 radar anymore, right. When they were little, of 1139 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,680 course, when they're tiny under a year, you and they have a very 1140 01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,600 immature immune system. Yeah, you have to take more 1141 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,560 care. And just like your puppies and 1142 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,480 your senior pets, you're going or kittens, you're going to have 1143 01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:39,920 to take a little more care when they're certain ages. 1144 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,480 But after a while, you just have to be realistic that viruses 1145 01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:48,040 exist in our environment, bacterias everywhere, and just 1146 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,600 do your best to keep your house as clean as you can and keep 1147 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,560 your pets as healthy as you can, and everything else will fall 1148 01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,000 into place. Absolutely. 1149 01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,040 And thank you all so much for all of your kind, lovely words. 1150 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,560 Julie. I'll see you in July. 1151 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:07,240 And if it's not, if you're not going to be here during Super 1152 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,280 Zoo, then let me know. Everybody loves. 1153 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,240 Everybody loves Jessica's new hair. 1154 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,560 Thank you. So let's all take a moment to 1155 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,360 admire Jessica's new do, new new year, new me, Jessica. 1156 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,400 No, it really. Isn't happened before. 1157 01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,320 The bangs happened before the new year. 1158 01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,000 I I don't think everybody noticed. 1159 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,680 Nobody noticed. Yeah. 1160 01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,200 They were more like curtain bangs. 1161 01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:37,400 And then I she, she decided when I went to get a trim that she 1162 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,400 just kind of. I love bangs. 1163 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360 I love bangs. Bangs look great on you. 1164 01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,800 He's like, they're free Botox and I'm like, wait, I need 1165 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,120 Botox, you mean? Free Botox. 1166 01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,520 Because they cover. Your they make you look younger. 1167 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,080 They do they cover your forehead. 1168 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,040 OK, I'm like, do they make you look younger? 1169 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,480 Because then I'm like, I'm going to go get bangs. 1170 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,160 I don't do bangs well, So if you see me with bangs, something 1171 01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,320 terrible has happened in my life and. 1172 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,280 Normally. Yeah, normally probably I would 1173 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,360 say that, but I've been doing bangs like once a year lately 1174 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,520 and just kind of like I don't. Know I'll do a side bang, which 1175 01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,400 I need to do I do a side bang. Real. 1176 01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,680 You do. Right, you do. 1177 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,360 Yeah, but no, the whole bang thing, I don't know, man. 1178 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,880 I just. I can't pull it off. 1179 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,440 I can't. And I have tried. 1180 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,360 I have tried, Yeah. So hopefully I'll get to meet 1181 01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,200 you, Julie. I'm hoping to go to the to what 1182 01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200 is it the? The more you know Summit the. 1183 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,040 The More you know Summit. Pet Wellness Summit. 1184 01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,640 Yeah, so I'm hoping to do that. And by the way, I will say 1185 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,520 please, please, please, if you're in Florida, check out 1186 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,680 Space Cats. It is a Florida specific cat 1187 01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,520 convention. It's starting this year. 1188 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,840 It's on the 26th and the 27th of January. 1189 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,800 If you know anybody in the Space Coast or Orlando area, anywhere 1190 01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,440 around there, share it with them. 1191 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,040 Lisa Hernandez is so great. She's with Lisa Works, She's 1192 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,200 putting it together. She's such a great person. 1193 01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,080 I did an interview with her where we talked about all the 1194 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,840 visions that she has for that conference. 1195 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,920 So if you know anybody in Florida, help support it. 1196 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,200 It's the first year, so obviously it's a little bit on 1197 01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,240 the smaller side, but she wants to grow it and get all the cat 1198 01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:25,520 lovers together in Florida. And then check out both of our 1199 01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,560 podcasts, The Pet Parenting Reset and Covered in Pet Hair. 1200 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,080 Today I dropped an interview with Aaron Moore about pet loss 1201 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,880 and grief and bereavement and pets and how lacking it is. 1202 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,480 So I think that's a really good one. 1203 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:46,200 If you are bereaved, if you feel like you need somebody to 1204 01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,640 understand where you are, how hard it is to let go, Aaron is 1205 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,280 amazing at that. Aaron, my guest, is just really 1206 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,000 honest and really raw about how affected she was when she lost 1207 01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:03,640 her beloved dog, and that is really great. 1208 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:09,360 And then Thursday will be my first live of the year with the 1209 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,760 Whisker, with the ladies behind Whisker Media. 1210 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,640 And we're going to talk about we're going to talk about New 1211 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:24,400 Year's resolutions, New Year's energy, New Year's same me, 1212 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,440 because there's nothing wrong with you. 1213 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,720 You don't need to change, but you know how to how to use that 1214 01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,880 new year to motivate yourself. So if you're interested in that, 1215 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,560 whether you're a pet parent, a pet business owner, whatever you 1216 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,960 are, we're going to just talk about pets and sharing our story 1217 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,200 and how important, you know, connecting with like minded 1218 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,480 people is. It is. 1219 01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,600 It is very important. I'm not into the whole new year 1220 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,440 thing because it's the middle of winter, but that's a whole other 1221 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,320 topic. A whole. 1222 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,320 It is in the middle of winter and my kids are still home. 1223 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,440 So as far as I'm concerned, I think that New Year, the New 1224 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,760 Year's going to be like February 1st. 1225 01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,200 You know what I mean? Like when I figure out how to 1226 01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,720 like put away everything and kind of actually settle into the 1227 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,040 season, maybe that'll be my new year. 1228 01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,040 But after the holidays, it's too crazy. 1229 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,320 It's too crazy. Yeah. 1230 01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,200 All right, y'all, thank you so much for hanging out, asking 1231 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,480 questions, participating. I know. 1232 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:31,360 I really appreciate it and. Yeah, we'll see you next week 1233 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,520 and if you have any recommendations, we'll talk 1234 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,640 about, we're going to talk about the resolutions unless something 1235 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,120 really big comes up. But we talked about resolutions 1236 01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,280 last year and I failed at all of them and I'm talking about my 1237 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,560 pet specific resolutions. So I'm going to listen to that 1238 01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,240 podcast again before next week our. 1239 01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,680 Podcast. From last. 1240 01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,560 Year. Oh my goodness. 1241 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,160 And I'm going to see all the things I said I was going to do 1242 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,040 that I did not do, and I'm not going to be mad at myself about 1243 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,240 it. No, no, it's OK. 1244 01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,240 Because you know what? It's. 1245 01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,240 Chaos. Julie it's chaos. 1246 01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,560 Life is chaos. Everything's chaotic. 1247 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,480 We do the best we can. New Year's, same me probably. 1248 01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:15,080 Same resolutions. Same resolutions. 1249 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,200 Alright, John, we will see. Bye, guys. 1250 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,560 Thank you. Bye.