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It wasn't too long ago that I 
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Doctor Chris Besant, who is an 
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She created the Herb Smith 
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traditional Chinese medicine and
how herbs can help the body. 

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Chinese herbs is what she works 
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She also created the Simple Food
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diets and we had her on the Pet 
Health Junkies podcast. 

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Now I know that a lot more 
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the Pet parenting reset, then do
Pet Health Junkies. 

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There's going to be some 
overlap, but this was such an 

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incredible interview. 
We had so many amazing like 

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Nuggets of information that I 
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possible gets to hear it. 
So we talked mainly about 

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veterinary diet. 
So we were talking about Medicus

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veterinary diet, but we really 
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into, OK, your veterinarian, 
your traditional veterinarian, 

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Western veterinarian is saying 
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whatever is going on and they 
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food that generally they sell 
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it's very expensive. 
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the podcast, often times the 
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prescription or veterinary diets
is way worse than whatever ultra

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processed food you're feeding. 
And Oh my goodness, if you 

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happen to be one of those people
who's feeding an amazing, 

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beautiful, species appropriate 
diet, whether that's gently 

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cooked or raw, and then your 
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needs to be on this prescription
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You have to be looking at those 
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What in the world do you really 
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But at the same time, there's so
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You're so where I've been there 
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So we talk about all of that. 
We talk and this is such an 

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important conversation for so 
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I say this in the in the 
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more times than not, if we have 
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processed food that that's the 
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their diet, they're on this 
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Just by transitioning them to a 
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appropriate diet, whether again 
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whether that's raw, we can see 
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disease states, sometimes 
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Granted, I'm not saying that 
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but sometimes it does. 
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that powerful. 
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when a disease state is so 
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nutritional adjustments. 
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the Medicus veterinary diets can
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And again, we talked about using
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we need to use them for and not 
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nutritionally different from 
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species appropriate, as 
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dogs or our cats. 
So I'm going to wind this up and

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play this interview for you with
Doctor Chris Besson. 

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Again, it's myself. 
It's Janet Chesorini, who owns 

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my local indie pet store, 
Popology, Pam Russell from 

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Perfectly Holistic, both really 
good friends of mine. 

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We do the Pet Health Junkies 
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there, obviously not as 
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this one, you get an episode 
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But because of that, I wanted to
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this. 
This is. 

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I have done. 
So many incredible interviews 

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and I have gotten so many 
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people and this one I think 
packs a punch in a different way

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that can really, I mean really 
get to not just you and me as 

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two point O pet parents, right? 
Like we may already know a lot 

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of this with the average pet 
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who doesn't even know there's a 
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So I would really encourage you 
to share this interview with 

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anybody that you know whose pet 
is one or being recommended one 

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of these veterinary or 
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Diets, this is. 
This can be a game changer. 

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I truly believe that this one 
interview could actually bring 

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people over and help them 
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is, and hopefully they start 
realizing it for themselves too.

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But we're going to, we're going 
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Whether we start with them, 
whether we start with their 

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pets, we are, to me, like this 
is my charge in life, is to wake

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people up to the reality of our 
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It is grim. 
It is not OK. 

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And we have the power to change 
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So let's get right in to this 
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Besant. 
She again had already been on 

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the pet parenting reset. 
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time you are listening to me and
you're like, who is this lady? 

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And my name is Jessica. 
I am a certified canine 

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nutritionist. 
I'm also a certified raw 

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nutrition expert for both dogs 
and cats and a holistic pet 

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health coach. 
I could not be happier to bring 

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this information to you every 
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It it it is what gives me joy in
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And I hope that if you have not 
already followed the podcast 

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that you do so today. 
And please reach out to me on 

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social media. 
Instagram is my favorite place 

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episodes have impacted you, 
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And it just makes my day. 
So Doctor Chris Bessett. 

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Welcome back pet parent. 
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so often that not only breaks my
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gotten to the point where it 
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literally had a client e-mail me
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She had to take her cat to the 
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urine and wasn't urinating as 
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Took him to the emergency vet 
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because I've literally been in 
that exact same place with a cat

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who was blocked and the vet 
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she did not put her cat on that 
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her cat was going to die. 
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same place and I know so many 
other people with so many other 

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things going on with their pets.
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them you have to have your pet 
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kibble for whatever is going on.
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do it, you're killing your pet. 
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opinion, that's not true. 
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feeding the kibble, switching to
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adjusting the diet slightly 
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going through, whether it is 
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problems, what it whatever it 
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But at the same time, those RX 
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veterinary diets, whatever they 
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brand that you're a veterinarian
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food like they're often times if
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to the label of the food you 
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And so Pam with perfectly 
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Pap Ology and I we are your pet 
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We are so excited to bring 
doctor Chris Besant to you today

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because she is not only has been
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veterinarian, she is the found 
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project and what we're going to 
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the Medicus veterinary diets 
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And I know that was painstaking 
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Whole Foods. 
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being here with us today, Doctor
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Yeah, absolutely. 
It's such a great opportunity 

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because I think your story is so
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podcasters and the wonderful 
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really promoting fresh food and 
real food and raw food have done

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But then what happens is if that
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All of a sudden all that they 
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learned how to get thrown out 
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afraid. 
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to to use this kibble, urinary 
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when you read the ingredient 
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touched that food. 
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food any other time. 
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your veterinarian and, and you 
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vet clinic with this bag of CD 
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normally have fed. 
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This is when they're sick. 
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food, fresh food, real food more
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And unfortunately, and, and God 
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only tool that they have. 
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for us to villainize the big pet
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Diet and those sort of things. 
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Morris, who started Science Diet
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beginning, he was revolutionary.
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was one of the few veterinarians
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Unfortunately, what's happened 
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good ingredients to the absolute
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according to their disease is 
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well proven to minimize the 
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But I say, I come in now and I 
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whole food, that we need to do 
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to support health, health and 
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And when they're sick, you 
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it with whole food. 
So when we go through the diets 

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today, you'll see that they're 
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and they're not always feces 
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kidney diet has rice in it, 
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the system, so you need to feed 
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you can't go with a species 
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phosphorus in their blood. 
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feed in their diet, so that 
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phosphorus. 
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ground eggshell, calcium 
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binder. 
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phosphorus stays in the gut and 
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So kind of you know, but we were
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We were able to do it with 
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organ meats. 
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grains to it, but very healthy, 
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that like kidney patients are 
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urinating, so they lose a lot of
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they were losing more, we could 
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consume every day and make them 
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So it's it was still using all 
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adjustment based on their 
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And then we put it in a freeze 
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format so that we could preserve
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Whole Foods. 
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the cat medicus diet the same as
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So it's as high as meat content 
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to control the phosphorus level.
And then we did add the ketosin.

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We added more salt to the diet. 
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complaint of some people that 
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But what we found is that if you
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refuse to eat it, eat it. 
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practice would say my cat won't 
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throwing the baby out with the 
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So we needed to make sure that 
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for fussy kitties. 
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sodium. 
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to the solid research behind it,
the idea of lower sodium in a 

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kidney patient really comes from
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really from any research that 
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dogs. 
So there's little tweaks that 

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are more about the different 
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Does the. 
Feline diet have the grains in 

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it to you take. 
It OK? 

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Yep. 
It does a little bit. 

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Let's have some. 
Rice in it because we had to to 

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bring this. 
Holy you guys will appreciate 

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this. 
I literally remember the moment 

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that I had tried every iteration
to get phosphorus to a lower 

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levels. 
I mean, we, no, no exaggeration,

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we probably spent over $100,000 
in testing to make sure that we 

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could get it as close to the 
ideal as possible. 

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And I remember having like 5 
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OK, let's go with meats that are
low in phosphorus, Let's go with

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fruits and vegetables that are 
lower in phosphorus. 

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Let's do more phosphorus 
binders, all of these things. 

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But I could never get the 
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reasonable level until I added 
rice and it was like this, It 

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was like this balloon, just 
worse. 

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I was like, I can't believe I'm 
going to have to do this. 

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But nutrients really matter, 
especially when you have a organ

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that's not functioning properly.
So for kidney disease, it was 

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super, super important. 
Even though, you know, when we 

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first came out with it, we would
get lots of comments like, I 

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would never feed it to my cat. 
Yeah, if your cat is healthy, do

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not feed it to your cat. 
Some of them are by 

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prescription. 
And the kidney, both kidney for 

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dog and kidney for cat are by 
prescription. 

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And why are they, because 
they're not EFCO balanced. 

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They're not. 
They're, they're made to be 

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unbalanced because that dog, 
that dog or cat is not 

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functioning as a balanced 
individual. 

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It's made for their 
shortcomings. 

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But some of our foods like the 
cancer diet that Janet's used, 

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the cancer diet is not about 
restriction. 

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It's the opposite. 
It's about flooding the body 

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with so many antioxidants and 
healthy omega-3 fatty acids and 

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clean, healthy meats as well as 
really low carbohydrate. 

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So it's almost ketogenic. 
And so it's feeding the pet, but

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not feeding the cancer. 
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like that. 
They're more about super clean, 

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healthy ingredients in the right
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rather than restriction. 
The, the three that are by 

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prescription only are the 
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the bladder diet, because 
they're not AFCO balanced, 

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because they are geared towards 
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issue. 
But I think another component of

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the medicus diets is the idea 
that it's not for life. 

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You know, hasn't it become that 
way? 

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Like we've seen cats with 
bladder issues once they go on 

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CD diet, they stay on it for the
rest of their their lives. 

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That's not how it's supposed to 
be. 

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No, thank you. 
For saying that even. 

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On the packaging, yeah. 
That's what I was actually going

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to ask you about because one of 
the things that I've learned, if

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we take it back to the kidney 
diet, which seems to be the most

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controversial at the moment, one
of the things that I've learned 

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is that I don't generally 
speaking, want to put an animal 

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on a quote, UN quote kidney diet
until I absolutely have to like 

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stage 4 CKD kind of thing. 
Because it is lower in protein 

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and our dogs and our cats just 
aren't made to survive on a low 

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protein diet. 
But what I'm hearing you say is 

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that if we catch it early 
enough, we know something's 

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going on. 
We can actually use this whole 

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food medicus diet, work on 
bringing the kidney back into 

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balance and then being able to 
transition them back to a 

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species appropriate diet. 
Is that what I'm understanding? 

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Yes, absolutely. 
So yes, if the, if that Kitty 

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has stage 4 end stage kidney 
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for the rest of his life. 
But there's so many animals that

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it's just starting, you know 
that, that the, the blood 

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parameters are just a little bit
off. 

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OK, well let's use the kidney 
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give the kidney a break and so 
that it can heal. 

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Once it heals, then let's start 
transitioning back to a species 

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appropriate diet. 
It kind of goes to why are so 

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many, so many of these issues so
rampant in our society and 

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kidney disease is so rampant in 
kiddies because they're 

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chronically dehydrated. 
Help the kidney lighten the load

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with medicus kidney diets and 
then keep adding moisture to 

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their diet and getting them back
in order again. 

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Get to the root of why they have
this problem. 

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Then they shouldn't be on it for
the rest of their life. 

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They should be on it when they 
need it. 

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And then hopefully now let's 
transition them to a healthier, 

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cleaner diet that is more 
species appropriate. 

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And that is a big deal. 
Like we've seen that in in the 

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bladder diets, for example, it 
used to be struvites are when 

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the pH is too high and oxalates 
are when the pH is too low. 

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And so when CD diet came around,
everybody started using it, 

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which which brings the pH down, 
which is great for struvite 

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crystals. 
But what it did is it changed 

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the population. 
And so now it's 50% oxalate 

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stones and 50% struvite stones. 
And you could say, well, how did

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that happen? 
Well, it was veterinary induced 

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because we just Willy nilly 
across the board, your Kitty has

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crystals, he's blocked, you 
absolutely need to be on CD and 

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you're just going to stay on it 
for the rest of your life. 

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That was over treatment. 
So now it it took the pH of the 

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urine and made it lower, which 
was initially great, but then it

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lended itself to oxalate stones.
So what we're seeing now is the 

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population of bladder 
disharmonies are different. 

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It used to be all strobite. 
Now it's half strobite and half 

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oxalate. 
Only because we overdid it. 

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And in veterinary medicine it's 
called idiopathic. 

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And idiopathic is just a fancy 
word for idiots. 

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Like we overdid it. 
We overdid it, or you could say 

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iatrogenic. 
And iatrogenic is another fancy 

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word in veterinary medicine to 
mean veterinarian induced. 

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So if you if you gave too many 
steroids, you would blow out 

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their liver and so you would 
call it iatrogenic hepatitis. 

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Well, yeah, it's basically just 
a fancy word for it. 

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Caused by the medicine, caused 
by the doctor. 

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I know that's what I think of 
every time somebody's like, my 

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dog's been on Apoquel for three 
years and now they have cancer. 

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Got it. 
Yeah. 

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There is a better way. 
There's so many other things 

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that we can do and and you know,
and back to the God bless 

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veterinarians because that's the
tool that they had. 

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This is a new tool. 
So this is a tool that if you if

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you look at our formulas, the 
ingredient decks read beautiful.

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So it's it's chicken and chicken
liver and chicken hearts and egg

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and pumpkin and it's all food 
that you understand versus 

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comparing it to prescription 
tibble that is soy and corn and 

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wheat gluten meal and salad, 
cellulose tree bar. 

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Exactly. 
You can get to the same nutrient

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profile but doing it with really
good food. 

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Do you know? 
If the kidneys regenerate just 

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like all of our other organs in 
our skin and that you know, our,

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our bodies rejuvenate, all the 
cells regrow, you know, within a

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certain, I don't know if it's 
weeks, days, years, whatever, 

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but pets too, I would assume 
right? 

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Yes. 
So is does the does the kidneys?

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Do the kidneys regenerate as 
well? 

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Like all the other organs of the
body, they. 

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Don't, unfortunately. 
They don't OK the kidney. 

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Is such an amazing organ because
it's the ultimate filter like I 

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look back I look at my vacuum 
cleaner how many times is your 

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filter fabulous. 
Now imagine if that was in your 

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body every minute of every day 
you're having you know 60 beats 

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per minute of blood passing 
through this filter and it's 

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being filtered so that the 
filter itself can be damaged and

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is damaged then it's scarred and
that's when you start to get to 

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stage 4 where it's irreversible.
Here's what I would say is in 

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the beginning when you start 
using a kidney diet or kidney 

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herbs or anything like that, 
what you're doing is bringing 

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down the inflammation to that 
filter. 

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And most of the time, I would 
say probably 70% of the time, 

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that's really what you're doing 
is bringing down the 

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inflammation of that filter. 
So now it can function well, 

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again, lightening the load on 
it. 

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But if it's been going on for 
too long and too severe, that's 

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when you get scarring and in 
literally the kidney will become

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smaller and filled with fibrotic
tissue and have less filter to 

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be able to filter the blood. 
And that's when we need to 

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intervene with the right amount 
of nutrients. 

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That's when I say, OK, we need 
to decrease the phosphorus level

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because because they cannot 
bring phosphorus down on their 

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own. 
And, and I think that we really 

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need to appreciate and 
understand that changing the 

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nutrient profile for an animal 
who's sick. 

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So when I say nutrients, I'm 
talking like phosphorus, sodium,

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calcium, all of those sorts of 
things that we need to adjust 

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them to lighten the load on the 
body so that the body can heal 

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so that that inflammation can 
start to come down. 

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Like a big thing for kidney 
disease is omega-3 fatty acids. 

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It is huge. 
You could go back to all the 

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research and there's crazy 
amounts of beautiful published 

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data on how important omega-3 
fatty acids are in supporting 

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the health of the tissue of the 
kidney. 

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And, and unfortunately, what 
happens is when this filter 

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starts to get blocked or clogged
or inflamed, slowly but surely 

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it starts to scar. 
And as it scars, now the body 

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can't push as much blood through
per minute. 

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Now you start to get high blood 
pressure. 

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And, and then it's this vicious 
cycle. 

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If you're, if the blood pressure
starts to rise in that Kitty, 

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now you're bombarding that 
delicate filter over and over 

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and over again. 
And it's just this downhill 

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spiral and that's where we 
really need to intervene. 

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Do you have anything Janet or? 
Nope, I am just being a healthy 

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sponge and absorbing it all. 
The the vacuum filter analogy in

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in the store. 
In the shop, we always use a 

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sponge. 
How it it shrinks and it just 

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gets hard and it just doesn't 
work as efficiently anymore. 

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And no, I'm tracking with 
everything that you say and 

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secretly wishing that our 
veterinary community locally, 

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globally would. 
Would. 

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Really just start to look and 
learn, you know, things 

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differently, going back to even 
reading the labels. 

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You know, you go to see your 
veterinarian and as you said, 

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Doctor Besson, which is so true.
And I think sometimes we forget 

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that they use the tools that 
they have just like our human 

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doctors do. 
And you know, Once Upon a time, 

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I was that pet parent that I did
everything that my traditional 

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veterinarian told me to do. 
I agree. 

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And I'm so glad you brought up 
the whole point about not being 

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on these prescription diets for 
a long time, whether it's yours 

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or whether it's the veterinary 
diet or whatever. 

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Because some of those diets are 
not complete in balance. 

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So your pet is going to end up 
being nutritionally incomplete. 

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And that can cause a whole 
nother host of problems if 

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they're on this flight. 
But so many vets tell their 

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their clients, you're going to 
your cat's going to have to be 

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on this for his life. 
I don't know if they're just 

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they're just an idiot or if they
don't read or all the above. 

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I don't know only. 
It's the only tool they have. 

449
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,760
So that brings up a really great
point that Janet talked about. 

450
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,240
If they're feeding a poor 
quality diet that's dry, filled 

451
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:26,200
with carcinogens, lots and lots 
of magnesium and phosphorus, and

452
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,840
so really laden with high 
content of minerals. 

453
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,440
So once you go to something like
Medicus or even a prescription 

454
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,880
diet, you don't go back to that 
bad diet. 

455
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880
The next step is you. 
Now you go to a species 

456
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,360
appropriate diet. 
And so if you went from a 

457
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
veterinary perspective, they 
recommend CD. 

458
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,680
You go on CD, your cat knows 
better and they can't really 

459
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,960
send them back to the poor 
quality diet they were on before

460
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,960
and maybe they don't know 
anything more to get them to a 

461
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
species appropriate healthy 
whole food diet. 

462
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,000
And in veterinary practice, 
patient, a patient comes in and 

463
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,520
they have to have a complaint. 
So why are you bringing your cat

464
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320
or your dog in? 
And then that logically 

465
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,520
speaking, that's that vet's 
mission is to fix that problem. 

466
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,440
And so very seldom are vets 
doing health and Wellness. 

467
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,240
They're not. 
We don't. 

468
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,280
We fix disease, we fix. 
We have to fix a problem. 

469
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,520
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

470
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,000
That's why I love pet health 
consultants because a pet health

471
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,280
coach can teach you about health
and Wellness and supporting it 

472
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,800
and making changes with herbs or
the right products like Janet's 

473
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,960
doing long before it gets to the
point that you have to have a 

474
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,320
prescription diet or they're 
they're going to continue down 

475
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,760
this downward spiral. 
So I think that's where that's 

476
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,160
why I totally support the health
Wellness coaches because we need

477
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,480
it. 
Like who's out there doing it 

478
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,920
head short Mark. 
But unfortunately with the pet 

479
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,600
store, people think you're just 
trying to sell them something 

480
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,640
instead of saying, I'm not 
trying to sell you something, 

481
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320
I'm trying to teach you 
something and I'm providing the 

482
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,200
solution to your problem. 
And so the more of us that are 

483
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,120
out there saying there's other 
options, and here's the other 

484
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,400
option, the more pet parents are
going to do it. 

485
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,400
And all pet parents want is 
their animal to be healthy. 

486
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
You know, they don't want to 
start a door, they don't start a

487
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
podcast. 
They just want their their 

488
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,600
animal to be healthy. 
And so luckily with more 

489
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,240
fabulous stores, with more pet 
health coaches, we can get more 

490
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680
people out there that can help 
direct them in the right 

491
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,240
direction. 
And if your vet is of any 

492
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
substance, they should applaud 
that. 

493
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840
They should be thrilled with 
that because it they fix the 

494
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,880
disease. 
OK, well, now you support health

495
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160
and Wellness because that's not 
something that veterinarians are

496
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,080
really taught to do. 
Veterinarians are focused on 

497
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,840
fixing the disease either with 
really strong medicine that has 

498
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,080
lots of side effects or with 
surgery, which has all its own 

499
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,080
complications. 
And I believe like you guys do, 

500
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,040
we could support animals 98% of 
their life with healthy food and

501
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,720
the right lifestyle changes and 
using herbs and using more 

502
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960
gentle things. 
And then when we need the big 

503
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
guns, great, we got it. 
And what I found is when you 

504
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,240
need the big, the big guns, if 
you've been feeding them right 

505
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,480
and doing all the right things, 
if they need epiquel or they 

506
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,240
need something else, it would be
very short lived, just enough to

507
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,640
help that animal kind of point 
them in the right direction. 

508
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,080
And then you continue on with 
health and Wellness rather than 

509
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,440
going down this path where 
you're always staying on these 

510
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,280
big drugs until the big drugs 
are worse than the worse than 

511
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,600
the absolutely so. 
Something that Pam brought up 

512
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,719
and maybe we can kind of segue a
little bit into the the cancer 

513
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,080
diet with this. 
But I think this is also one of 

514
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,120
the reasons that I'm such a big 
believer in the idea that if we 

515
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,679
have an animal on a highly 
processed food that often times 

516
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,040
just by transitioning them to a 
species appropriate diet, we 

517
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
can. 
We're, we're giving the body 

518
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,760
room to breathe, to function in 
the way that it's supposed to 

519
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,719
function and do what it does 
best and heal itself. 

520
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,280
And one of the things that I 
mentioned Pam had kind of 

521
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,600
brought up is that when we look 
at these highly processed diets,

522
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,680
what we generally call kibble, 
though I'm still shocked that 

523
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,040
there are still so many people 
out there that hear the word 

524
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,040
kibble and they think that's a 
brand and they're not feeding 

525
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,400
that brand. 
But the fact that the 

526
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,160
ingredients that these highly 
ultra processed foods are using 

527
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,600
are so poor and they are so 
laden with toxins with 

528
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,080
pesticides and herbicides with. 
Ade. 

529
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Yes, with all of these things 
that just by like we can't even 

530
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,560
if we're going to, you know, 
prescription kibble, we're still

531
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,760
getting these really poor 
quality ingredients with all of 

532
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
these herbicides and pesticides 
and toxins and chemicals that 

533
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
we're not giving the body the 
space that it needs to be able 

534
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:00,720
to function properly. 
Moving on to, you know, even if 

535
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,360
you're you do feel like or 
you're veterinarian feels like 

536
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,240
they do need a nutrient 
adjustment, moving on to a diet 

537
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,600
like Medicus, you're going to 
get the best, best of both 

538
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
worlds. 
Basically, you're removing all 

539
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,600
of these pesticides, herbicides,
all these toxins that are 

540
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,440
weighing the body down and 
you're getting that nutrient 

541
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,040
adjustment that hopefully you 
only need for a short period of 

542
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,440
time. 
So if if you want to, you know, 

543
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,160
speak on that, any of that would
be great. 

544
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,320
But I think that could also be a
really great segue into the 

545
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,040
cancer diet because even though 
I think it's true with any and 

546
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,200
everything going on with our 
pets, everybody freaks out over 

547
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,280
the C word. 
And that is one of the like 

548
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,240
most, I think for most people is
like the biggest aha moment that

549
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,440
they could have even more so 
than oh, your cat has kidney 

550
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,520
disease or you know, you're 
whatever is going on getting 

551
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
that diagnosis of cancer. 
That's when people are really 

552
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,960
like, now I need to realize I 
need to remove the toxins. 

553
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,320
I need to remove all the other 
things. 

554
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
So if you want to talk a little 
bit about that. 

555
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Yeah, absolutely. 
So the cancer diets are all the 

556
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,800
medicines. 
Diets are really clean, so if I 

557
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,960
get off track, take me back to 
cancer. 

558
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
I can tell you that we use the 
cleanest of proteins, but I'd 

559
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,720
rather show you with numbers. 
And so you can look up our 

560
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,360
biogenic amines. 
And biogenic amines are amazing.

561
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Do you guys know anything about 
that? 

562
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Have you heard of it? 
Now, heterocyclic amines and 

563
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,280
I've heard of bad amines, but 
this is obviously the good 

564
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,680
amines, right? 
This is. 

565
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:48,320
Biogenic amines are like 
putrisin and cardavicin. 

566
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,560
They're they're the chemicals 
that develop in meat as it ages 

567
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:00,520
and spoils. 
OK, so you can test is the meat 

568
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,360
clean or not clean? 
Is it like 4D meat would be 

569
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,320
really high in putrisin or 
cardavicin? 

570
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:16,520
And it would definitely show you
with numbers that that is a poor

571
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,600
quality meat. 
And if your animal is then 

572
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,360
eating those ingredients, those 
are some of the toxic qualities 

573
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,800
of the bad meat. 
So all of our meats have really 

574
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,960
low biogenic means, which means 
that they're very healthy and 

575
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,840
fresh and clean. 
So not only can I tell you it 

576
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,720
and reassure you of it, but I 
can also even give you the 

577
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,000
numbers that is quantitative. 
So it you don't have to believe 

578
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,520
me, we can show you the data 
that shows it's really high 

579
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,480
quality meat and that is a 
really big deal. 

580
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,760
And I think that the reason you 
haven't heard of biogenic amines

581
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,960
and it's not really talked about
very much because if you tested 

582
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,200
kibble for biogenic amines, how 
bad would they be? 

583
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,640
They would be terrible. 
What is meat meal? 

584
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:16,760
Meat meal is rendered meat from 
dead down, disease, dying, 

585
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120
rejected. 
Meat that would not be fed to 

586
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,120
humans because it's sore, poor 
quality, but totally acceptable 

587
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,080
for pet food and so biogenic 
amines would. 

588
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,800
If we tested biogenic amines and
all of our pet food, it would 

589
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,000
change the world because that 
would be a reflection of the 

590
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,440
pores, quality meats that's 
being added to that kibble. 

591
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Mass kibble that you can buy 50 
lbs for 20 bucks. 

592
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Yeah, that's poor quality meats.
So not only do all our Medicus 

593
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,360
diets have low biogenic means, 
but then the cancer diet is 

594
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,720
super important because the 
cancer diet is. 

595
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,240
Really good quality meats so you
start out with a clean wholesome

596
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,880
ingredients. 
All of our fruits and vegetables

597
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360
are organic, so you know they're
of the cleanest quality. 

598
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,440
And then we added a tremendous 
amount and just flooded that 

599
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,640
diet with antioxidants because 
what's part of the whole 

600
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,960
development of cancer, or you 
could also call it metabolic 

601
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:35,800
stress on on a pets body is how 
much they have to get rid of 

602
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,280
antioxidants or get rid of 
oxidation free radicals that 

603
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,360
developed. 
So if we flood them with 

604
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,640
antioxidants, we can minimize 
how much the immune system has 

605
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,680
to fight free radicals so that 
it can keep cancer cells and 

606
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,800
check. 
So part of the cancer diet is 

607
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,280
flooding it with really fabulous
antioxidants from so many 

608
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,000
different sources. 
So from lycopene, from tomatoes 

609
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,320
and pomegranate and spinach and 
broccoli and all these amazing 

610
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,520
highly antioxidant laden fruits 
and vegetables, but still in a 

611
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,720
species appropriate amount. 
Even though it's a lot of it, 

612
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,240
it's still a small percentage of
the diet, like 10/15/20 percent 

613
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,880
of the diet. 
And still the majority of the 

614
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,160
diet is really good high quality
meats as well as organs. 

615
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Then we added high omega-3 
content. 

616
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Then omega-3 is good healthy 
fats that are a great way to 

617
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,200
decreased carbohydrates by 
raising the fat, but we're 

618
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,440
raising clean fat, 
anti-inflammatory fat rather 

619
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,520
than fat from inflammatory 
sources like seed oils. 

620
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,040
And then we put almost no 
carbohydrates in it. 

621
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,560
The only carbohydrate that are 
in either one of the cancer 

622
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,080
diets, chicken or beef, comes 
from the fruits or vegetables 

623
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,040
that are in that diet. 
So the cancer diets are like 

624
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:23,960
3.9% carb and 3.7% carb. 
And the whole idea is that dogs 

625
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,760
and people, we can live on a 
ketogenic diet and produce 

626
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,120
ketones to support our brain 
health and and our overall 

627
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
health. 
Cancer needs glucose. 

628
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,120
So if you're feeding a higher 
carbohydrate diet, you're 

629
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,000
feeding glucose that the body 
uses, the cancer uses too. 

630
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,400
So by going with the ketogenic 
diet or a low carbohydrate diet,

631
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,520
you're feeding the pet and not 
feeding the cancer. 

632
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,320
And that's, that's a really a 
big, big deal because none of 

633
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,520
the, in fact, the, the most 
recent Onco diet that just came 

634
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,880
out from one of the, it's still 
like 35 to 40% carbohydrates you

635
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,560
brought. 
That up. 

636
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,600
That doesn't. 
Even sound like a cancer diet to

637
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,640
me. 
That sounds like a. 

638
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Regular, it's a chemical 
exactly. 

639
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,120
It's the it's the same and and 
so you're not really giving them

640
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,520
any advantage. 
So that's when you look at our 

641
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,800
cancer diet that those are kind 
of the basis behind it species 

642
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,840
appropriate. 
So it is complete and balanced, 

643
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,920
flooded with antioxidants. 
If they get too much big deal, 

644
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,640
they just pee it out and the 
body doesn't have to work as 

645
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,320
hard. 
Ketogenic. 

646
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,720
So we're feeding the animal not 
the cancer, as well as really 

647
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,200
high anti-inflammatory oils, 
which is fabulous. 

648
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,240
And when I when I say almost 
ketogenic, the reason that I use

649
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:59,080
that term is true ketogenic 
diets are really high in fat and

650
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,320
most dogs will reject that and 
cats reject it. 

651
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,600
So ours is not as high in fat, 
but super low on carbohydrates. 

652
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:14,720
So they still get into ketosis, 
just not in that kind of fat 

653
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,720
bomb, sort of really greasy, 
icky diet sort of way. 

654
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,400
Mike. 
Rejected the keto diet. 

655
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,640
I tried that in the very 
beginning that he wanted no part

656
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,320
of it. 
Yep. 

657
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Loved. 
His gently cooked raw and his 

658
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,240
freeze dried. 
Yes. 

659
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,800
So you also have a in the dog 
line, you have a skin health 

660
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
diet and a sensitive stomach 
diet. 

661
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
And then? 
You have a metabolic health diet

662
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,080
in the cat that we haven't 
talked about and I know 

663
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,160
especially I think I want to say
it is it the sensitive stomach 

664
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:57,040
diet that's is that the one that
has the really more novel 

665
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,760
proteins in it in diet? 
That's still skin diet. 

666
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,360
The skin. 
Diet is kind of twofold, kind of

667
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,920
threefold. 
It's super clean, of course, so 

668
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,240
that many times, how many times 
do dogs have allergies and 

669
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,760
always have GI issues with it. 
It's almost always linked and in

670
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:25,520
my just kind of speculating, my 
speculation is it's the toxicity

671
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,560
or the toxins that are in 
standard kibble that is 

672
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,160
negatively affecting the gut and
negatively affecting the skin. 

673
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,800
So our skin diet is super clean,
but then we used Guinea fowl and

674
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,120
bison liver as the protein 
sources and then we also added 

675
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,320
evening primrose for the 
essential GLA. 

676
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,720
So we normally think that 
omega-3 fatty acids are really 

677
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:55,600
wonderful and Omega 6 fatty 
acids are fine for calories but 

678
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600
tend to be more pro 
inflammatory. 

679
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Well, GLA is a Omega 6 fatty 
acid, but it's really important 

680
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,920
for the foundation and the 
hydration of skin. 

681
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080
So that's what sets our skin 
diet apart. 

682
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,560
It's almost like a novel protein
diet, super clean. 

683
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,360
But then we added the evening 
primrose, so that and krill so 

684
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,880
that we could nourish the skin 
at its root. 

685
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,240
And that's a great diet for it's
not forever. 

686
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,400
That is the kind of diet that 
you're going to put them on it. 

687
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,920
They're going to they're going 
to start doing better. 

688
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,560
Their skin starts to hydrate the
way it should. 

689
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,040
They're healthy and vibrant. 
OK, now let's start adding some 

690
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,720
healthy things back in. 
So we're not going to take them 

691
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,200
back to the old pupil they were 
eating before. 

692
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Instead, now we're going to go 
to Janet and we're going to talk

693
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,640
to her about I want to add some.
So we were on Guinea fowl and 

694
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,000
bison liver. 
Let's add some beef and see if 

695
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,920
they tolerate beef. 
And you could add beef in, maybe

696
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,800
even as treats, like a pure beef
liver treat or a pure beef 

697
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,200
muscle meat treat, and then see 
how they do. 

698
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840
No reaction, their skin's still 
doing great. 

699
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,840
OK, good. 
Now let's add another thing. 

700
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,920
And so slowly but surely you can
start adding things in to see if

701
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,800
you can take them from the 
Medica Skin Diet to Simple Food 

702
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Project and salmon. 
So you've got really clean beef 

703
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,640
and you have salmon as your 
omega-3 source that's also wild 

704
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,640
caught and really clean. 
So now we know we can take them 

705
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,680
from the Skin Diet to beef and 
salmon of Simple Food Project. 

706
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,000
So that's how I would use that 
recipe. 

707
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,920
And let's say they did have a 
reaction. 

708
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,080
OK, no problem, we'll write back
on the Medicare skin diet, get 

709
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
them back under control again. 
And now you can check that one's

710
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,600
off the list. 
I'm never going to use chicken 

711
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,040
again because they're allergic 
to chicken. 

712
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,080
So that is a tool that you guys 
can use or the pet parent can 

713
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,840
use to try to find a healthy 
food that's more their long term

714
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,640
option where the sensitive skin 
or the sensitive stomach diet 

715
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,480
is. 
So again, say enough about it. 

716
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,560
I mean, every day we get pet 
parents sending in saying their 

717
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,040
their dog has been, has had a 
sensitive stomach their whole 

718
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,880
life and they're better than 
they've ever been. 

719
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
What's the secret to the 
sensitive skin diet? 

720
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Really, really clean food. 
That's number one species 

721
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,040
appropriate and really clean. 
But also it's really high in 

722
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,840
fiber. 
And so it's in soluble fiber and

723
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,280
insoluble fiber. 
So it has psyllium in it, it has

724
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,080
pumpkin seeds in it. 
It has really high fiber 

725
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,800
content, which what does the GI 
tract need? 

726
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:11,440
The GI tract needs higher fiber,
not as sawdust, powdered, 

727
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:21,600
soluble, Yeah, not as garbage, 
but real food that gives really 

728
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,240
healthy fiber. 
And they're going to poop more. 

729
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Absolutely. 
So when they start the sensitive

730
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,760
stomach diet, their guts are 
going to feel well and they're 

731
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040
going to poop a lot. 
And that's great. 

732
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,000
That's what we want to have 
happen. 

733
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,600
And then we also added aloe to 
it. 

734
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,480
And aloe as the herb is just 
really soothing to the guts. 

735
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,760
And then we have spore forming 
bacteria in it, so Bacillus 

736
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,440
species that is shelf stable for
a long, long time. 

737
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,640
And then we added chicory root 
as well. 

738
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:02,160
So it's kind of a high fiber 
probiotic diet as well as really

739
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,280
soothing with the aloe and the 
cinnamon and the ginger. 

740
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,240
And I kind of, I kind of said 
instead of breaking the 

741
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,720
sensitive stomach diet into like
this is for IBD and this is for 

742
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:19,440
gastritis and this is for 
chronic Constipation. 

743
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,920
I just said, what is what's the 
common denominator here? 

744
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,280
We need clean food and we need a
high fiber and then we need 

745
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
things that are going to soothe 
and bring down the inflammation 

746
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,000
of the gut for whatever reason 
it's happening. 

747
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,720
Those are the things that are 
going to fix it. 

748
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,520
And it's and it's really holding
true. 

749
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,120
I mean, pet parents nonstop tell
us how wonderful the sensitive 

750
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,880
stomach diet is. 
And then the bland diet is 

751
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,920
literally just beef and rice, 
but it's really wonderful grass 

752
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,880
fed beef and then some herbs in 
it that calm the stomach. 

753
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,000
And that is for like if they 
have a flare up. 

754
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,560
So if they have an acute 
pancreatic episode, go with the 

755
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,280
bland diet, you're going to do 
that for 3-4 days, get them back

756
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,080
under control again and then go 
to the sensitive stomach diet. 

757
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:18,160
And the the bland diet is not 
complete and balanced does not 

758
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,920
need a prescription because it's
geared towards just short term 

759
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,000
use, not long term use. 
Right. 

760
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,640
That's one of the things that 
I'm kind of glad you brought it 

761
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,160
up, though I'm probably going to
reframe in a little bit. 

762
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,680
I am very. 
I. 

763
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Love, love, love. 
When people take their pets 

764
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,680
health into their own hands, 
they realize I can do this and 

765
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,640
they start making their own pet 
food. 

766
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,720
They do the research to balance 
it out. 

767
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,120
They do all the things or they, 
you know, hire somebody to 

768
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,320
provide them balanced recipes, 
all the things. 

769
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
I think that is absolutely 
wonderful. 

770
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,320
However, what we buy at the 
grocery store oftentimes even 

771
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,880
like what we're feeding 
ourselves is not super high 

772
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,920
quality. 
We're buying, you know, lot, you

773
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,080
know, the industrial raised 
cattle meat where you know it's 

774
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,760
just not as healthy as, you 
know, a grass fed grass finished

775
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,000
steak or a free range chicken. 
You know that a chicken is 

776
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,400
actually living outside eating 
all of the worms and bugs that 

777
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,600
it wants to eat. 
And it can do all the things 

778
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,200
like what we're buying most of 
the time in our grocery stores 

779
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,120
for us and for our pets still 
isn't very clean. 

780
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,800
So when we especially when we 
have a pet that has started 

781
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,680
developing issues, we do I think
just need to be that much more 

782
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,400
aware of the quality of the 
ingredients of the food. 

783
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,240
And I'm so I'm really glad, glad
you keep bringing up the quality

784
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,360
of the ingredients because I 
think that can be a linchpin. 

785
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,840
And like, you think you're doing
everything right. 

786
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,560
You think you're feeding all, 
you know, a species appropriate 

787
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
diet. 
You're doing all the things. 

788
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,520
But it's not high quality food. 
It's not organic, it's not grass

789
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,480
fed, grass finished. 
It's, you know, all the, all the

790
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,880
things that really can make a 
huge difference in a disease 

791
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,000
state. 
Yeah. 

792
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,960
I agree. 
I mean like the bone broth from 

793
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,960
the grocery store, which is full
of so much salt. 

794
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Conservatives salt, sugar, which
is as we all know is great 

795
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,160
quote, UN quote. 
I'm doing air quotes. 

796
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,200
You know, not great for 
congestive issues for allergies,

797
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Sir. 
But sugar, salt, onion, onion is

798
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,840
a big one. 
We had this conversation 2 days 

799
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,080
ago Monday. 
And you know, I'm adding are you

800
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,360
adding moisture because we're 
buying dry food. 

801
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,920
I buy the broth from the grocery
store of the street and I used 

802
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,480
to have it my counter, an actual
box of it and I had circled all 

803
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,400
the ingredients that were not in
their pets best interest. 

804
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,040
And and that's what we're 
talking about on this podcast, 

805
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,440
not just today, but all the time
is about what we want your pet 

806
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
to be the most healthy that they
can be. 

807
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,160
And the information that is 
being shared with our pet 

808
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,000
parents is strictly for that 
purpose to be a voice for them 

809
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400
and everything matters. 
Just as we're hearing you say, 

810
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Doctor Besson, about you keep 
repeating if people haven't 

811
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,280
caught you keep saying clean 
food, clean food. 

812
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080
And that's what Jessica was 
circling back to. 

813
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:50,440
Because you know, I can go to 
Costco and I can buy 15 lbs of 

814
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,000
meat for $15.00 to feed myself 
or to put in a, in a boiling pot

815
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
of water to stick on top of my 
pets food. 

816
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,280
But I'm sorry, there's a reason 
that that meat is a dollar a 

817
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,160
pound. 
There's a reason that Kirkland's

818
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
I'm I'm calling it 40 LB bag of 
food. 

819
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:17,880
It costs $40 because it's full 
of unclean, low, low quality, 

820
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Yes, ingredients and your pets 
deserve better. 

821
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Then we don't end up with all 
these problems like skin issues,

822
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,960
seductive upset, cancer, kidney 
problems. 

823
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,080
If you have a cat, feed your cat
wet food. 

824
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,520
If you insist on feeding dry 
kibble and at least let's 

825
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,240
incorporate moisture into the 
diet. 

826
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Just about Wellness and the best
way to keep your pet well is to 

827
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,520
help them not get sick. 
Give them the nutrients that 

828
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,800
they need. 
Like I said, if you got yes, 

829
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
great thing that Jessica said is
that we're providing them what 

830
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,880
they what they need and then the
body picks and chooses what it 

831
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,200
needs and what it doesn't need. 
It's either going to store for 

832
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,800
the future or it's going to 
excrete in the stool or in the 

833
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,760
urine. 
So what that's OK. 

834
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,520
We flooded the body with the 
good things, all of the tools 

835
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,560
the body needs to have health 
and Wellness. 

836
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:25,200
And we as a society have gotten 
away from the idea that, for 

837
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,640
example, in apples, it's not 
just the apple and the sugar. 

838
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,880
There's all the vitamins, all 
the minerals, all the 

839
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,960
antioxidants, all the good parts
of that wholesome food that we 

840
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,800
kind of forget about, we've 
stopped thinking about. 

841
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,000
But the body is just is 
requiring things like a good 

842
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,760
example of this is the kidney 
diet. 

843
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Not to go back to that again, 
but but a big thing that we did 

844
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,080
for years in the veterinary 
profession is minimize the 

845
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,720
amount of protein that they get 
because we say it's high 

846
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:07,120
protein, which taxes the kidney.
But cats in particular and dogs 

847
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,160
as well have a basic requirement
for amino acids. 

848
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,000
And if you are giving them the 
amino acids, then they break 

849
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,360
down their body to produce. 
So that's why when you see those

850
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,200
older kiddies with kidney 
disease, they look like 

851
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,280
skeletons and they're super thin
because their body has 

852
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,680
catabolized their own muscle 
cells to provide the amino acids

853
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,360
that that animal needs every 
day. 

854
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,680
So if we don't provide it, 
they're going to do what they 

855
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,920
can to find it. 
And so the Medicus kidney diet 

856
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,960
is much higher in protein than 
the average kidney diet. 

857
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,800
So it's, I think it's like 2530%
protein, which some vets push 

858
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
back on and say that's too high 
a protein. 

859
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,160
I go the opposite. 
They need amino acids. 

860
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,760
And if you don't give it to them
in their diet, they're going to 

861
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,160
pull it from their own tissue. 
And how is that good for them? 

862
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,000
Because now you're circling the 
drain even faster because they 

863
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,400
have to catabolize their own 
body tissue to support that 

864
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,480
need. 
And the same thing holds for 

865
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,520
other things. 
Vitamins, minerals, 

866
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,000
antioxidants. 
Why do we crave different 

867
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,600
things? 
And why do animals crave 

868
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,120
different things? 
Because they're usually looking 

869
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,880
for that source. 
Of course, that doesn't count. 

870
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,520
No. 
One of the things that I love 

871
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,720
about your diets, all these 
Medicus diets, is you. 

872
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Even though your focus is on 
like helping a specific 

873
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:44,120
condition or illness, you still 
provide so many beneficial 

874
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
prebiotic sources for the 
microflora. 

875
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,200
You know, because that if we 
don't pay attention to the 

876
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,920
microbiome, it cannot. 
If it's not healthy, the body is

877
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,160
not going to be able to heal. 
So I love the fact that you 

878
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,160
really tap into. 
The. 

879
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,080
The really good source, the low 
glycemic sources of the fruits 

880
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,080
and the vegetables that can be 
that source of prebiotic 

881
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,520
material to support good gut 
healthy gut flora, Yeah. 

882
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,920
Hugely. 
Yeah. 

883
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Yes. 
Well. 

884
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,200
I, I know Janet wanted to ask 
some more about herbs, but 

885
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,200
unfortunately I'm going to have 
to. 

886
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,440
We've already been at this an 
hour and I have another podcast 

887
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,720
recording I have to get. 
Yeah. 

888
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,800
So you're talking, go ahead. 
Yeah, I would say that the the 

889
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,680
sensitive stomach diet is really
kind of a chronic pancreatitis 

890
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:46,880
diet and acute pancreatitis to 
me is like the straw that broke 

891
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,360
the camel's back. 
So if you look at the enzymes 

892
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,720
that the pancreas produces every
day in tibble fed dogs, their 

893
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,000
amylase level, so it's the the 
enzyme that breaks down sugars 

894
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:10,280
is off the scale like three to 
four times the normal amount of 

895
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,680
amylase. 
And to me that because there's 

896
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,200
always this debate that are dogs
omnivores or are they 

897
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,040
carnivores? 
And you know, of course we say 

898
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,680
they're carnivores, but how do 
how do other nutritional minded 

899
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,360
people say that they're 
omnivores? 

900
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,480
They're omnivores in that they 
can be nutritionally abused. 

901
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,120
So they can tolerate nutritional
abuse and still be alive. 

902
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:42,000
And it's when that nutritional 
abuse is like over the top, that

903
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,480
becomes the straw that breaks 
the camel's back. 

904
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,920
And that's when you see acute 
pancreatitis. 

905
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,960
So I would say, and we, and we 
don't know 100%. 

906
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
We've, you know, everybody's 
always thought it's because of 

907
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,200
high fat levels. 
But in reality, the the test 

908
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,000
that's done for pancreatitis is 
testing for lipase, but lipase 

909
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,320
is in the body longer than 
amylase is. 

910
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,080
So when you're testing it 2-3 
days later and it's still 

911
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,800
elevated, the natural thought 
process is, oh, it's because 

912
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,560
they had too much, too much fat.
And I say the opposite. 

913
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,640
I say they had too much 
carbohydrate. 

914
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,240
The pancreas is inflamed, 
overwhelmed, the straw that 

915
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,520
broke the camel's back and we 
need to decrease carbohydrates. 

916
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,520
Now, I'm not saying that it 
could. 

917
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,960
Well, it certainly could be me. 
I would put that, I would put 

918
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:44,120
pancreatitis in that symptom of 
nutritional abuse and that you 

919
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,440
need to get to a species 
appropriate diet. 

920
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,720
Now I understand, Janet, that 
you're saying people are so 

921
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,960
scared. 
They're scared, they're scared 

922
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,520
to have any fat because their 
vet said it's all about fat and 

923
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,800
so they're not going to give 
them any fat at all. 

924
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,120
And those dogs don't thrive. 
I mean, we need fat in our body.

925
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,560
We need good for everything to 
function. 

926
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,520
All of our brain, our cells are 
all fat laden and if we're not 

927
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,280
giving it to them, it's kind of 
in that same category of not 

928
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,200
giving them enough amino acids. 
They'll find it someplace. 

929
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,240
In those particular cases, I 
would gently say how about we 

930
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:30,600
just start adding some of this 
sensitive stomach diet to your 

931
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:35,000
kibble and then we'll gradually,
slowly move them over because 

932
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,640
they're in they're pancreas is 
really inflamed and that's why 

933
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,160
they're so sensitive and that 
they could flare up at any 

934
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,040
minute. 
Absolutely. 

935
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,440
So it is difficult to bring them
around. 

936
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,720
But I guess I guess a good thing
to say is how has it been 

937
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,880
working? 
You know, are they thriving? 

938
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,680
Do they look fabulous or are 
they just surviving 1? 

939
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Podcast. 
I was listening to that. 

940
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,080
They suspect it's the oxidized 
fats that. 

941
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,680
It's possible the pets. 
It, you know, depending on what 

942
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,800
they're, what they ate, if it 
was an acute thing and they got 

943
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,560
into all the bacon grease or you
know, whatever. 

944
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,560
Well, that would that would make
anybody sick. 

945
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,080
Wow. 
Absolutely, absolutely. 

946
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,760
Yeah, that's. 
What I think I I took the 

947
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,640
pancreatitis course that Doctor 
Steve Marsden created for Doctor

948
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,120
Judy Morgan's website and. 
He. 

949
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,240
Kind of had a combination of the
two that. 

950
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,240
The. 
Abuse of a lifetime of too many 

951
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,560
carbohydrates and then the 
oxidized fats on top of the 

952
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,280
carbohydrate, because most 
kibble that we're feeding also 

953
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
is oxidized, you know, the fats 
are oxidized at that point by 

954
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,200
the time they're eating it. 
And so kind of combination of 

955
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,320
the. 2. 
That kind of takes me away from 

956
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:04,080
the oxidated oxidized fat 
scenario is dogs can eat Rd. 

957
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,640
kill totally fine, yeah. 
Yeah, I think. 

958
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,880
That fat that's in that animal 
is just laying out in the road 

959
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,480
oxidizing like no other and they
can eat that and not have a 

960
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,680
problem with it. 
So, but I think that I think 

961
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,240
anything that's taxing the 
pancreas is going to lend itself

962
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,200
toward inflammation and that 
inflammation is could go into 

963
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,480
acute pancreatitis. 
For sure. 

964
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,720
Well, unfortunately, I think 
Janet's Internet cut her off, 

965
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,320
but I do have to run to go to 
another recording. 

966
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,280
But I can't tell you how much. 
I appreciate you, Doctor Besson,

967
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080
and hopefully we can get you 
back to talk some more about 

968
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,880
herbs because I know what 
everybody is interested, but I 

969
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,800
know Janet. 
There she is is also interested 

970
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
in herbs. 
So I was just thanking Dr. 

971
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Besant for all of her time and 
her wisdom and for being so 

972
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,560
generous with both. 
Thank. 

973
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,520
You thank you so much. 
It's been awesome. 

974
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Yeah, it'd be fun to do a 
webinar on allergies and GI 

975
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,040
issues because they're almost 
always together. 

976
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,880
Why is that? 
And there's so much we can talk 

977
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,600
about. 
Yeah. 

978
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,800
Thank you. 
Well. 

979
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Yes, and. 
We. 

980
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,840
Absolutely do. 
And please check out Olive 

981
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Doctor Chris Besson's work. 
She is again the founder of Herb

982
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,320
Smith. 
It's the Simple Food Project and

983
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Medicus Veterinary diets. 
So do check first at your local 

984
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,600
indie pet store and hopefully 
they are carrying one or all of 

985
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,520
those products. 
If not, ask them about carrying 

986
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,880
them. 
Thank you so much for your time 

987
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,080
again, Doctor Besson. 
Absolutely. 

988
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Thank you. 
Gosh, bye.