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Hey there, it's Jess. 
If you're new here, I'm a 

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certified professional canine 
nutritionist, raw nutrition 

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certified for dogs and cats, a 
holistic pet health coach, the 

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founder of Wild Wellness Pet, 
and the host of the Pet 

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Parenting Reset podcast that 
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where every pet deserves the 
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It's time to rethink how we 
raise our pets. 

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A reset to naturally healthy 
dogs and cats. 

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If you've been feeling like 
there has to be something more, 

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something better, a better way 
to raise healthier pets, welcome

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to the pet parenting reset. 
Welcome back, pet parent. 

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This week's episode is so cool 
because I might have mentioned 

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in the past, especially if you 
listen to the episodes around 

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Super Zoo, which is such a fun 
show to go to in Vegas in 

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August, even though it's in 
Vegas in August and there were 

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only two products that came out 
of Super Zoo as like, where have

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you been? 
Thank you for this innovation 

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because I feel like we've been 
kind of stuck in this rut 

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without a whole lot of 
innovation. 

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There is one company that we can
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but outside of that, like 
everybody else is just kind of 

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following the same brick road. 
And so I have been adding these 

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two products to my dog's 
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And I will say since I have 
started adding Totonics and one 

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other product, but I, you know, 
I think they're both working 

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really well for her. 
She has been I don't she's just 

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more vital like she just has 
more energy and y'all know that 

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she I just celebrated her 12th 
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So I'm definitely doing 
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kind of keep her as young as I 
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So with that, today's guest is 
Jeff Bowers. 

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He is the founder of Totonics 
and Teutonics is one of those 

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two products and companies that 
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We meaning me and my friends at 
Super Zoo this year that we were

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like, yes, thank you for 
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pet market. 
So Jeff, welcome to the pet 

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parenting reset. 
Thank you for being here. 

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How are you doing today? 
Thank you, Jessica. 

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Yeah, really excited to be here 
and then to be able to speak at 

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this forum. 
Yeah, I know you're well 

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respected and it's really nice 
to have a chance to explain to 

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your customers as to why. 
Thank you. 

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Yeah. 
So I, I think first of all, 

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obviously we want to talk about 
totonics like this is so new. 

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So like nobody else is doing 
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Hardly anybody is using this 
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I mean almost no one and it has 
made a huge, I feel like it has 

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already made a huge difference 
in Kims vitality. 

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Kim is my dog and so I 
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this incredible product. 
But before we do, I'd love for 

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you to just give people a little
bit of background because you 

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have a long history not only in 
the pet space but working with 

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dogs in general. 
Thank you. 

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All right, yes, and I have been 
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I can honestly say I felt I've 
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I've had an amazing journey. 
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with the British military and 
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teamwork and something I hold 
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And you know, without a the 
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It's about having a great team 
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And that taught me that from day
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And I went to join another team 
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And it was the police in the UK 
spent 12 years in the police and

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I got the option of firearms or 
dogs and I, I took dogs 

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immediately. 
Yeah, I've always had dogs 

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growing up and love dogs. 
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them was just unbelievably 
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And that taught me an even 
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do and their ability and and 
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I mean, we all talk about their 
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And I can guarantee this for any
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dog will defend you to the 
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I do not have to teach that. 
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And it's for a very specific 
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They know that you provide them 
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every day of their life and 
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part of that is the food. 
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innate fact that they understand
fully that if anything happened 

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to you, they have no chance of 
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So it is why the loyalty comes 
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I believe they did it because I 
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learned that wasn't the case. 
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understand that their their 
dedication is literally their 

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life. 
I was unfortunate to lose some 

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during the course of my work 
with them and part of that and 

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part of this is that payback. 
I vowed I would pay them back 

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and so Totonics is part of that 
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I left the police in the UK and 
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New Zealand, which is where I am
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I call it paradise because it 
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planet for our dogs. 
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reasons I came here. 
I didn't tell the police that 

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initially I was working with the
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wanted to get to the food. 
So New Zealand's very fortunate.

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Everything is grass fed. 
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population here, so we produce 
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all grass fed. 
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We literally do live in a very 
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And so I realized I could 
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Would you believe first that 
everybody, a lot of people know 

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about that food? 
It's cocaine and natural. 

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That was my first venture into 
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I became disappointed, Would you
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with all the sheep in New 
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didn't have enough food, real 
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So raw diets to feed dogs around
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I came away from there knowing 
that I started a really nice 

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trend and lots of people have 
made it available for more 

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people. 
But I wanted to get back to 

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training dogs. 
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know, I'd trained dogs in the 
police, but I wanted to learn 

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their true ability. 
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journey where I ended up 
training dogs to detect Chilean 

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needle grass oxygen levels. 
So medical alert dogs, you name 

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it, I started to teach those 
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for them. 
So during that time, Shane, who 

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was my head of sales at Canine 
Natural, tapped me on the 

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shoulder and said, Jeff, you've 
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industry. 
There's been nothing new out 

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there for 15 years since you 
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He said you've got to come back 
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So I said sure. 
I, you know, done lots of 

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things. 
Why not let's come up with 

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something. 
And hence totonics emerge from 

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what do you believe about two 
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about what could be best for 
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So Totonics came about from the 
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Canine Natural, the most 
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was pouring blood. 
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process we don't need to talk 
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And that blood is normally 
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It's normally thrown away down 
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around the planet. 
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totonics, the more I understood 
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So the name Totonix, if you're 
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obviously is a famous dog that 
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The Wizard of Oz tonics is a a 
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But Toto is Maori, which is the 
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blood. 
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the name because that's where 
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Totonix. 
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journey. 
I knew blood contained every 

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vitamin, mineral, protein that 
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It transports it around the 
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of it. 
So I knew it was the best thing 

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I could give them, but I wanted 
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So I thought is there any 
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types of blood and what do you 
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So as I was doing my research, 
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and Chinese medicine relies 
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So deer velvet, deer antlers and
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Would you believe? 
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the more we discovered that the 
reason deer can grow antlers 

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every 12 months is something 
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It's a peptide that flows 
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Would you believe when we're 
younger and helps grow every 

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living cell for deer, they 
maintain the levels and 

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throughout their life, whereas 
as humans, we ours reduce as we 

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get older and same for dogs. 
So, you know, I thought if I 

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could use this, then I'm on to 
a, you know, absolute winner for

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the dog. 
So hydration I knew is a really 

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big factor. 
And I can explain that from a 

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police dog's perspective, but 
also from everybody that owns a 

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dog. 
We used to feed kibble until I 

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started feeding mine raw and 
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Dogs are obviously eating good 
dry food and so they've got to 

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consume large amounts of water. 
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of water strips and vitamins and
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So we have drinks now Dior like 
solutions and things to add back

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those vitamins and minerals. 
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affect working dogs? 
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police over here, I did a trial 
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respected professor Nick Cave 
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I said why are dogs performing 
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than the dry diet? 
And he came back with a simple 

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answer. 
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relies heavily on it being 
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So it is literally 80% more 
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moist compared to if they're 
dry. 80% more efficiency of 

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catching their next meal in 
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But also fluid is something we 
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it. 
They are DNA wide to consume it.

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So why not give it to them? 
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blood that contains very high 
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obviously iron, which we all 
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supplement, contains the 
calcium, contains the vitamins 

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and the minerals. 
So we end up with absolute 

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powerhouse of a food, if you 
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that a dog will consume readily.
As you're seeing Jessica with 

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them, Kim, Obviously they love 
to eat it, but the results speak

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for themselves. 
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Blood is liquid, we ask you. 
It comes in a powder format, but

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we ask you to rehydrate it for 
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Our mouth absorbs very quickly 
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So the mouth is a place where we
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I can give you an analogy of 
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If you haven't, forbid ever had 
a heart attack, somebody needs 

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to pop an aspirin under your 
tongue, not for you to swallow 

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under your tongue. 
You absorb it much faster. 

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And it's the same for fluids. 
We're not only giving them a 

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super drink, we're giving them 
very bioavailable drink too, and

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one that hits the spot really 
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So that that's what started it. 
Venison. 

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Why did I push venison? 
Because I know there are dogs 

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out there that some have 
intolerances to chicken and beef

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and lamb. 
They're intolerances. 

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Everyone says it's an algae. 
If it was an algae, we'd be 

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giving them an EpiPen. 
It's an intolerance. 

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So they start to itch, they 
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So I thought if I can come up 
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can, is venison, then away we 
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And the beauty of New Zealand is
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world, 1.2 million deer here. 
Compare that to the second 

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largest of 100,000. 
And so we have plenty of supply 

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and we're doing the planet a 
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That was the other big thing for
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I've got grandchildren now. 
I wanna make sure that, you 

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know, we're not wasting things 
into the water, you know, and 

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we're reusing it and using it to
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So for me, it was a real win 
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And I think, yeah, I wanted to 
make it simple. 

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And, you know, Jessica's been 
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testify to that. 
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it's easy enough to use. 
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As I said at the start, my whole
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those dogs that gave their life 
for me. 

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So yeah, it's I am dedicated to 
them 100%. 

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And so yeah, I want this to get 
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as a minimum, or kibble, shall I
say. 

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Well my dog does not eat kibble 
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been since the day I adopted her
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But I am still seeing these 
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hasn't been a part of her diet 
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commercial foods. 
I just don't have the time. 

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I wish I had the time to DIY all
these things. 

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And I will say, like, I am, I am
that person that would be like, 

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yeah, blood, give it to me. 
I'll buy a whole jar of it, like

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give it to me. 
But I get that most people are 

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not that. 
And they're like, yeah, I can do

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with the powder. 
Perfect. 

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Maybe I can do with the powder 
and it I will say like it 

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doesn't smell. 
It doesn't have like a strong 

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smell. 
I mean, it smells, but it 

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doesn't have like a strong smell
to it. 

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And what I have been doing is 
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and, and pouring it over her 
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well, because I'm also really 
big into not feeding cold food. 

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Another traditional Chinese 
medicine. 

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Perfect theory where, you know, 
feeding, feeding cold food 

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stagnates the digestive tract. 
I don't want to do that with 

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her. 
And you know, cold treats every 

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now and then, no big deal. 
But like constant everything 

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they're eating is cold is is not
good. 

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So that's how I've been doing 
it. 

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And I will say the first time I 
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don't know if she's going to 
like this. 

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It's making like it didn't make 
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it definitely was like I felt 
like I was feeding her Stew 

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versus, you know what I mean? 
It was just so much more liquidy

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than what I would normally feed 
her. 

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Not that that's a bad thing at 
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going to be with this different 
texture? 

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And she was like, she licks the 
plate clean. 

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She's always been a good eater, 
but she licks the plate clean. 

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She's she loves it. 
So yeah, happy about. 

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That look and yeah, you're 
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and should you know, we, they 
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they they would never look for 
water buckets in nature, would 

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you believe? 
So I studied with them. 

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I got to Dolan Harmon over in 
Alaska back in then is and he 

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explained, you know, it was back
then I was, it was middle of 

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winter, obviously north of Mount
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There are no lakes. 
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always from the kill. 
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blood, you know, so they 
understand that water isn't the 

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ideal drink. 
Humans. 

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There's a professor from South 
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looked at marathon runners dying
from over use of water. 

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There was lots of research came 
out and the 2000s that said, 

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yeah, we're not drinking enough.
And so, you know, they set a 

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limit I think of something like 
4 litres, which is, you know, an

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awful lot of water. 
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had lots of drink stations and 
people were taking too much 

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fluid and obviously collapsing. 
Yeah, it's very difficult to 

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know how much you need. 
But the dogs will self regulate,

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they will stop if they've had 
enough. 

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You know, they're very intuitive
at how much they should drink. 

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So if they're slipping it up, 
you know, they needed it. 

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Unlike us, you know, we'll, 
we'll carry on drinking because 

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we think we need it rather than 
because we do. 

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So they have very, very good 
switches, but dogs and cats 

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certainly don't have those 
switches like humans do. 

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If we're feeling thirsty, then 
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get a drink. 
Cats suffer worse than dogs, but

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dogs still don't hydrate fully 
enough, you know. 

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So most dogs out there are under
hydrated and that causes the 

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same problem that just for 
humans and bladder infections, 

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urine infections, you know, 
kidneys, all those things. 

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So yeah, so this will fix all of
those issues so the human 

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doesn't have to worry. 
Is my dog not getting enough to 

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drink? 
You're pouring it on there. 

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And they will decide, you know, 
which is fantastic. 

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And they decide because their 
DNA wired to choose which is 

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amazing so but good points. 
Well, I think if I remember 

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correctly, and I don't even know
how we figured this out. 

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I don't remember, but if I think
somewhere that I saw or read 

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that it takes roughly 4 cups of 
water for a dog to be able to 

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digest 1 cup of kibble because 
it needs that liquid for 

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digestion. 
And if they, if they don't have 

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that, which they don't generally
speaking, then they're, you 

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know, they're pulling moisture 
from their organ systems to be 

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able to digest that kibble. 
But like you just said, if we 

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were delicious, assume that we 
could get a dog to drink 4 cups 

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of water to every One Cup of 
kibble they were eating. 

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We're fleshing out all the 
electrolytes in the body. 

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So that in in itself is 
detrimental. 

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Because I think like you were 
just saying with like runners, 

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that's why I don't know if it's 
salt maybe that they add to the 

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water and they probably, you 
know, they do that with like 

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Gatorades and stuff now that 
have all these sweeteners in 

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them that aren't good for you, 
but they're trying to get these,

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the electrolytes back into your 
body. 

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Or a lot of the like biohackers 
are saying, just sprinkle some 

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salt into your water and you'll 
be good. 

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You're actually going to hydrate
yourself that way. 

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It is, it is a mineral, but it's
not the only one that you need. 

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And my my belief has always been
this nature gets it right. 

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Humans break it. 
OK. 

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So whatever we do to nature, we 
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it. 
Yeah. 

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So the guy that I was studying 
with to go on hard and said, you

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know, calcium, for example, how 
much calcium do you give your 

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dog? 
And I'm going past, you know, 

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because back then I was feeding 
kibble. 

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I said, you know, I think it's 
in a ratio of 2 to 1. 

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He goes, why is it in that 
ratio? 

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We come to answer those 
questions, obviously. 

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So I said, don't really know. 
He said, OK, so he said what is 

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calcium? 
And calcium is 1 ion on the 

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periodic table removed from a 
metal. 

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But we need, it's called a 
micronutrients. 

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We need micronutrients of it. 
So here's what happened. 

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So somebody decided that humans 
lacked calcium. 

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So we will add it, we'll fortify
it into cereals, into yoghurts, 

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into you name it. 
So calcium is bone. 

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That is the only way humans 
can't make calcium. 

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All right, it's bone. 
And so we ended up, and it was a

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study, it was done in New 
Zealand, two scientists in New 

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Zealand. 
I can send you a copy of this 

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study so you can post it for the
for your audience. 

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And they determined that, whoa, 
hang on, calcium supplements are

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seriously killing people. 
And they looked at it and went, 

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whoa, the deposits around the 
heart and calcified arteries we 

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thought were fat deposits, 
nothing to do with fat, to do 

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with calcium. 
OK. 

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So they realized doing these 
studies that, whoa, we need to 

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stop. 
OK, So doctors around the world 

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have stopped subscribing, 
prescribing calcium supplements,

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tablets for those reasons. 
The way I explained it, or I 

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used to when I was talking about
raw food vets, because they 

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would say how much calcium in 
there. 

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And I said whatever nature 
decided, all right, because it 

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would ask me constantly. 
I knew what the ratios were, but

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I knew it wasn't technically 
what AFCO was selling. 

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So I would answer them that way 
and and then I'd go on to my 

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discussion and say, OK, so can 
you tell me how a cow grows to 

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the size of a cow eating grass? 
And they'd look at me, you know,

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or an elephant or a giraffe, 
tallest, biggest skeletal being 

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on the planet apart from the 
whale. 

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How can it grow to that size 
when it eats an Acacia Bush? 

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How much calcium's in that? 
And they were like, you know. 

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They didn't know what to say and
I said it's because it is and I 

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would, I'd been taught that then
and researchers back, they're up

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now. 
But it's a micronutrient, you 

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know, so we, we have to be 
extremely careful. 

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So the way it works in dog food,
they crushed bone, right? 

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Well, how much does that dog 
need? 

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So it needs it in a format 
whereby they can absorb it if 

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they need it or get rid of it if
they don't. 

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OK, well, we can't do it. 
So blood carries calcium, the 

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others calcium in in the blood, 
but it's in a format whereby it 

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can be absorbed or easily let go
of. 

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So, you know, again, nature gets
it right. 

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Humans tend to break these 
things, you know. 

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So I am ultra, ultra cautious 
about adding anything or, you 

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know, taking anything away 
because it was put there for a 

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reason. 
Yeah. 

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And that reason was to make our 
dogs extremely healthy. 

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You know, the mammals that they 
were created to eat would do 

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that. 
You know, I always used to say 

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if it's warm, covered in firm 
running past your dog's nose, 

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then that's suitable for them to
eat. 

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And I don't mean cats. 
I don't mean it's like that. 

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I'm talking about, you know, a 
rabbit or something and not your

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pet ones, but something of that 
size. 

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So, you know, and that's where 
we've gone completely right. 

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And I understand why. 
And I understand we cannot get 

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away from, you know, feeding 
kibble. 

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But with this, people will see a
massive difference in their dog.

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You know, it's 60% protein in a 
small sachet. 

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OK, That's telling you 
something. 

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Protein grows every living cell 
in our body. 

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It's the most expensive part of 
any diet, OK. 

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It's the most expensive part of 
the kibble. 

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It's the most expensive part of 
the raw diets. 

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Is the protein side of it. 
Yeah, big. 

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And yet we are wasting millions 
and millions of gallons. 

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We are pouring it down the 
drain. 

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OK. 
The good news is in New Zealand,

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for me to export to anywhere in 
the world, it has to be health 

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food or greater quality. 
It has to be tested beyond every

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single diet. 
So I can walk in the supermarket

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here, buy a chicken and it 
hasn't gone through a test. 

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We know we don't have the issue 
with salmonella and chickens 

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over here and they don't use 
antibiotics for that reason 

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because they don't have to. 
But anywhere else in the world 

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when I lived in UK, if I was 
eating a chicken potentially 

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could have salmonella, I 
wouldn't know because not every 

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chicken's tested for my product 
to leave. 

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All right, every batch is tested
every single batch for 

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salmonella E cola and it has to 
pass. 

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And then I have to take away 5 
of that one batch and send them 

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off for retesting and they go 
with health certificates, right?

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So it's collected above food 
grade and then I can, I'm 

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allowed to sell it offshore. 
And the reason for that is if 

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there was a recall, it would 
look good on the New Zealand, 

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look bad on the New Zealand 
government. 

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And so they set this, the bar 
really, really high, which is 

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fantastic for me because I 
wouldn't want anything less for 

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my dog. 
So, you know, we have brilliant 

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standards in place. 
And it's why if you see me at a 

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show or something, I'll drink it
happily, You know, I know it's 

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safer than anything I consume 
normally. 

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So, you know, it's yeah in that 
respect. 

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But what does it taste? 
Like it's really I I thoroughly 

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enjoy it, to be honest. 
Depends which one we do before. 

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So if you're taking the one for 
hip and joint, OK, you'll taste 

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green like muscle and so that 
one's fishy. 

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But the others, no, they're 
fine. 

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So we do one that's coming out 
for you guys soon as a 

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performance. 
That's our last line. 

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So there'll be 4 in the US soon 
and the performance is a Dior 

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like solution. 
Would you believe so? 

450
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,440
It's a real hit with our Husky 
teams and the agility people and

451
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,680
those that do, you know, the 
obedience work because they find

452
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,680
it difficult for dogs to have 
enough fluid for these events. 

453
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,320
All right, they're doing for 
four races or whatever. 

454
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,120
And so I made one. 
We call it the Diorite solution.

455
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,720
It's just venison blood and 
manuka honey. 

456
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,800
So the manuka honey is known 
around the world for its healing

457
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,200
properties and antibacterial 
properties, but I'm using it as 

458
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,760
the sugar. 
Terrible, isn't it? 

459
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,280
All right. 
But sugar, it's natural sugar 

460
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,720
opens up the vilii in the 
stomach. 

461
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,280
And so the dogs, if they haven't
got it all through the mouth, 

462
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,760
they will get it faster into 
their system through the 

463
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,560
stomach. 
And that's what Darlites have 

464
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,120
sugar in them for that reason. 
So. 

465
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,120
But I, yeah, I won't use 
unnatural sugar. 

466
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,560
You'll only get real stuff with 
me. 

467
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,000
So hence, you know, the green 
lip muscle for the hip and joint

468
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,200
and the gut health is big bone 
broth. 

469
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,840
It's anti-inflammatory with a 
small amount of the Greenland 

470
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,360
muscle in it. 
So again, all of the products 

471
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:42,880
from New Zealand. 
So we don't have the issue with 

472
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,560
hormones and all of those things
that yeah, unfortunately around 

473
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,400
the world they've got to use. 
We don't here. 

474
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,960
So we're very lucky it's as 
green as we can make it. 

475
00:24:52,960 --> 00:25:01,600
So since you brought up calcium 
specifically and you have a 

476
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,360
background in pet food 
manufacturing, so Doctor 

477
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:07,600
Billinghurst, so I know 
everybody is very familiar with 

478
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,200
with doctor. 
Billing professor Tom Lonsdale. 

479
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,800
And yes, well, he says that we 
have the most science for 

480
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,800
feeding humans, dogs and cats 
out of every species there is on

481
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840
this planet. 
And humans, dogs and cats are 

482
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,320
also the sickest animals on this
planet. 

483
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,600
So that kind of takes me back to
what you were saying about you 

484
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,640
want it to be as as close to as 
what they what they would do, 

485
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,640
what they would get in nature as
possible. 

486
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,080
So how do you feel like you kind
of touched on this, but I know 

487
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,840
like with AFCO, you brought up 
each one of those nutrient 

488
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,280
profiles that they have created 
that they said this is what a 

489
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,960
dog needs, this is what a cat 
needs. 

490
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480
They tested each one in a 
vacuum. 

491
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:59,080
And that's not how our bodies 
are designed to work. 

492
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,800
You know, we eat or a dog would 
eat a whole prey animal. 

493
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,200
A cat would eat a whole prey 
animal. 

494
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,320
They're not consuming one thing 
like like you said, calcium or 

495
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,880
phosphorus or manganese or 
whatever it is. 

496
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,120
They're not consuming just one 
thing. 

497
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,400
So how do you see that kind of 
separate from Teutonics? 

498
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,360
How do you see that playing out 
in like in my, I'm just going to

499
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,880
be honest, like in my opinion, I
feel like kibble is a failed 

500
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,600
experiment, but we're not. 
I don't think we're at a point 

501
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040
where enough people are are 
admitting that. 

502
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,200
Sure. 
And look, the, the reason it was

503
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,520
brought in, I'm sure, you know, 
all this is, but the reason 

504
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,920
they, they introduced biscuits 
to dogs was the Brits to put 

505
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,920
dogs on board ships. 
OK. 

506
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,120
Because so that we could travel 
around the world and conquer it.

507
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,680
So, yeah, my, my past 
generations have an awful lot to

508
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,560
answer for. 
Back then, though, those 

509
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,760
biscuits that they made were 
meat based and they dehydrated 

510
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,640
them. 
All right. 

511
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,840
What happened in the early 70s, 
we decided that convenience was 

512
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,800
essential. 
You know, fortunately, more 

513
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,360
people had to work because they 
were getting less pay, you know,

514
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:06,280
So, yeah, families started to 
have, you know, both sides of 

515
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,240
parents had to go to work. 
And so the convenience kicked 

516
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800
in. 
And that's when the kibble 

517
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,000
manufacturers really took off. 
You know, made huge mistakes at 

518
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,760
the beginning, obviously, 
because my, the easiest way to 

519
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,760
explain why should we feed raw? 
Why should we feed kibble? 

520
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,880
Well, I will feed kibble to my 
dogs if I ever see them cook 

521
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,920
their food. 
All right, Simple as that. 

522
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,000
The day a dog turns up to my 
side and they're capable of 

523
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,880
doing this is don't have 
opposing thumbs, but the day a 

524
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,440
dog comes to me and says, hey 
dad, cook my dinner, then I will

525
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,320
cook it. 
The chances of that are pretty 

526
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,680
slim. 
All right, so cooking we know 

527
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,920
destroys most things. 
So then they add in vitamins, 

528
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,320
minerals, but even in AFCO, most
of those don't have limits, 

529
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,160
right? 
They set the minimums, but most 

530
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,920
of them they don't set the 
maximum. 

531
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,240
So how do I know what Kim's 
going to do today, right? 

532
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,720
This is how I work it out. 
I have no clue what Kim is going

533
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,440
to do today. 
She might do a A5 mile walk, she

534
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,360
might do one mile, she might 
just lie by the fire. 

535
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,120
So Kimmy's going to need a 
different set of food or a 

536
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,560
different intake requirement 
than my dogs, for example. 

537
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,760
So I've got 5 rescues at the 
moment, 5 rescue Griffins. 

538
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,440
I'll send you some pictures. 
You'll laugh. 

539
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,760
But they climb mountains here. 2
days ago we went to Mount 

540
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Isabel, which is, yeah, it was 
18 kilometers, so probably 14 

541
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,560
miles. 
And these are, you know, dogs 

542
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,280
this big. 
Yeah, they're they're tiny. 

543
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,360
Yeah, but they're on totonics, 
right? 

544
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,040
And one of them has completely 
no hips. 

545
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,520
We can move them out to the 
side. 

546
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160
And the vets were like, well, 
that's going to need serious 

547
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,320
surgery. 
However, we've got a vet who's a

548
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,800
physio. 
And so we rescued this guy, put 

549
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,200
him on totonics on the hip and 
joint, and within three weeks, 

550
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,480
his muscle mass around his back 
legs went from 12 centimeters to

551
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120
24. 
That's with the help of the 

552
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,200
physio as well. 
You know, that is massive muscle

553
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
growth in a very short space of 
time, which now support his hip.

554
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,360
So he runs up the mountains with
us. 

555
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,600
All right, so some I never know 
when I was making canine actual,

556
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,600
I never knew what those dogs 
were going to do. 

557
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560
And so I came up with a what I 
thought was an easy answer, 

558
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,080
right. 
If your dog's losing weight, 

559
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,400
feed them a bit more. 
This is on raw. 

560
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,200
If they gain weight, feed them a
bit less. 

561
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,600
Now what is a raw diet? 
In my view? 

562
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,040
I recreated the lamb. 
So if you were eating canine 

563
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,480
natural when I was producing it,
all right, you were eating the 

564
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,720
lamb in, in the format 2% liver,
you know, 1% kidney. 

565
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,800
So it was in there in the 
quantities that would recreate 

566
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,080
that animal bone very little, 
OK, because they wouldn't eat 

567
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,960
larger bones, certainly on beef 
and things like that. 

568
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,840
They hardly touch it. 
They will only take a mouthful 

569
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,960
of bone if they need a bit of 
calcium. 

570
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,240
You know, it's not, they don't 
know on it constantly, you know,

571
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,320
so all of these myths that came 
about or the stomach content was

572
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,320
a great one. 
You know, they say, oh, you need

573
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,440
to put in lots of some. 
I'm like, no, that if a wolf 

574
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,840
kills something or any animal 
for that matter, they RIP the 

575
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,720
stomach out first. 
They go in through the rib cage 

576
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,120
underneath. 
Now they've got the stomach out 

577
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,080
of the way and they would take 
the heart. 

578
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,480
And if you'd look at any 
analysis, the heart, apart from 

579
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120
the blood is the most nutritious
part of the animal because it 

580
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,520
contains all the blood and it's 
lean muscle. 

581
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,200
All right, So they know what 
they're supposed to eat. 

582
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Trouble is, humans think we 
know. 

583
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,320
And so it's very difficult to 
say your dog needs this, your 

584
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,040
dog needs this. 
And so I don't know how those 

585
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,760
manufacturers come up with those
recipes because, you know, 

586
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,000
certainly when they add the 
carbs in, humans struggle to get

587
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,320
rid of carbs. 
All right, We, we struggle to 

588
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,560
burn off carbohydrates, right? 
Protein grows every living cell.

589
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Carbohydrates don't they grow 
the fat cells, which things we 

590
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
don't really want, right? 
So what do we do? 

591
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,760
The experiment failed. 
So we then did it to our dogs, 

592
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,400
didn't we? 
We gave them the food. 

593
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,080
Oh, here you go, this will be 
good for you. 

594
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,600
And then we wonder why dogs are 
becoming obese. 

595
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Well, I think I might have an 
answer there. 

596
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,920
So it is extremely difficult as 
an owner to know how much to 

597
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,160
feed, but that rule was taught 
to me. 

598
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,760
It was a breeze that I was 
asking the police dogs to be 

599
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,640
bred from. 
And I said, look, you know, I 

600
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000
want these athletes. 
I'm feeding minor raw Dutch. 

601
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,880
No, I've always fed my pups raw.
I'm like, wow, I thought it was 

602
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,240
a revolution. 
This was back in 1990. 

603
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,480
I was like, wow, that's that's 
amazing. 

604
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,720
She's like, don't be stupid. 
That's what we always feed. 

605
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,280
OK, I said. 
I said I have a big question. 

606
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,400
How much do I feed? 
And she went, well, if it's 

607
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,040
gaining weight, feed him a bit 
less, and if it's losing weight,

608
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,600
feed him a bit more. 
And I'm like, seriously, was I 

609
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,320
that silly? 
But no, we now have charts, 

610
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,240
don't we? 
Right. 

611
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,640
You get a bag of dog food and 
it'll say, if your dog weighs 

612
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,000
this, give it 4 cups. 
If it weighs it, well, how did 

613
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,680
they work that out? 
They're supposed to be 

614
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,720
scientists, right? 
If my dog's lying in front of 

615
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,120
the fire all day and I give it 4
cups of kibble, it's just going 

616
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,480
to get larger. 
If it's running up a mountain 

617
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,440
and I give it 4 cups of kibble, 
probably not going to make it. 

618
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Well, I wouldn't do that. 
You know, all my raw fed 

619
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,680
obviously, you know, so it's 
honestly, it's called common 

620
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,560
sense. 
And unfortunately, you know, 

621
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,840
science has sort of removed that
from us as a human race. 

622
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,480
You know, my brother is one of 
the world's leading scientists. 

623
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,240
He's a retired now amazing guy. 
And you know, and he was very 

624
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,960
practical in the way he spoke 
and thought. 

625
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,840
He said, you know, science is 
only understanding what nature 

626
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
already knows. 
And I don't think there's a true

627
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760
common than that is that, you 
know, science is only just 

628
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240
catching up with what nature 
already understands. 

629
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,680
You know, we're making a huge 
hullabalar about DNA. 

630
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Science has discovered it. 
No, nature knew it. 

631
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,080
Science, yes, has now 
understanding it, but it's been 

632
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,680
there a lot longer than science.
So and I think that's where 

633
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,920
easily LED. 
We are concerned for our dogs 

634
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,200
because it's our responsibility 
to look after them. 

635
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920
You know, they are our children 
no matter what anyone says. 

636
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,120
And people say, oh, you can't 
say that. 

637
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,080
Well, yes, you can. 
And, you know, in my view, you 

638
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,000
should. 
We're there to care for these. 

639
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,840
We're supposed to be the 
intelligence species. 

640
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,160
My question that daily, you 
know, when I face, you know, 

641
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,920
situations where people say, 
well, you know, how much do I 

642
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,400
give them? 
Well, the dog will stop if it's 

643
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880
had enough, right? 
And if it's looking for more 

644
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200
than I suggest you give it 
somewhere and it's certainly in 

645
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,000
the blood formula, OK? 
They won't overdose themselves 

646
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
on it. 
There's nothing in there that's 

647
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,840
going to harm them, all right. 
And if anything, you know, if 

648
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,760
your dog's dehydrated, it's 
going to do them the world of 

649
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360
good. 
They'll feel so much better. 

650
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360
I can remember my first police 
dogs because we were feeding 

651
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200
them what we thought was a 
brilliant food. 

652
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,480
I mean, I won't name what it 
was, but it was the best 

653
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,720
recognizer, being a best on the 
market at the time. 

654
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,280
And they constantly had cracked 
noses. 

655
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,480
They were constantly panting, 
you know, they within three days

656
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,080
of put them on a raw diet, I had
new dogs, right? 

657
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640
I had athletes. 
I just couldn't believe it, you 

658
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,200
know? 
And I was adding in tons of 

659
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,720
heart to those meals. 
And, yeah, they stopped drinking

660
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,320
the water, bought bowls, you 
know. 

661
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Whoa. 
What happened? 

662
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120
Funny that. 
And so, yeah, I think what, what

663
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,000
I'm trying to do here is say 
that. 

664
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,239
Yeah, there's, there's lots of 
better ways that we can do what 

665
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,520
we're doing. 
I think we need to trust our 

666
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,960
instincts, trust what you're 
seeing. 

667
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,960
Listen to your dog, all right? 
They'll soon tell you if they 

668
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,920
don't need it. 
You know, if you put that in a 

669
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,880
bowl and they devour it, there's
a reason. 

670
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,920
And it's simple. 
They're like, thank you. 

671
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,520
All right. 
Where have you been? 

672
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,760
All my life? 
My, my, my goal was I would 

673
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,320
never harm them, ever. 
I owe them too much. 

674
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,159
So I think, yeah, it's been my 
life's ambition to produce 

675
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,120
things for them. 
And I'm going to have to stop at

676
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,840
this and a little bit of lesson 
because I've recreated the diet 

677
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,159
and now, you know, for those 
dogs that can't get what they 

678
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,000
need from that diet, then I've 
come up with four toppers but 

679
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840
with all functional benefits. 
So, you know, your hip and 

680
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,440
joint, you got health, you know,
which is working with dogs that 

681
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,720
have got gas and all of those 
things which, you know, people 

682
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,480
think is normal. 
Unbelievable, you know? 

683
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,800
And yeah, the hip and joint is 
really, really taken off. 

684
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,680
And one I've called Forceda for 
those dogs that don't want to 

685
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,920
eat that cable every day, they 
devour it now. 

686
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,960
So using it for dogs that are on
the hypoallergenic diets and 

687
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,320
after surgeries. 
One dog was under cancer 

688
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,120
treatment, so it was extremely 
anemic. 

689
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,120
And these stories are coming out
now because we're getting to 

690
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,080
more and more people and we turn
that dog around in 24 hours, 

691
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,440
anemia gone. 
Doesn't surprise me because it's

692
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
full of iron, right? 
The dog can absorb it too. 

693
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,920
I know one of my daughter's, she
was always low in iron and so 

694
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
she ended up on iron tablets. 
And my brother said, we get it, 

695
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,800
if she's not taking them with 
vitamin C, they're useless 

696
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,800
anyway, he said, but get us some
steak and some heart. 

697
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,600
And so we did that within three 
days. 

698
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,000
Yeah, I should have known this 
shouldn't. 

699
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,280
I was feeding raw to my dogs. 
But yeah, that's the human for 

700
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,680
you. 
So yeah, you just don't. 

701
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,520
How bad is that? 
I think better about what my dog

702
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,880
should eat than my kids. 
But no, they're fine now. 

703
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,320
But it is yet common sense. 
Yeah. 

704
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,280
Well, and I don't think if, if, 
if we look at various food 

705
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,760
toppers, even supplements that 
are on the market that, you 

706
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,160
know, I don't, I don't see 
generally speaking in most 

707
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,840
things. 
Like things can work, but I 

708
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,440
don't feel like they work as 
well when we continue to keep a 

709
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,040
dog or cat on a kibble diet. 
But there are a couple of 

710
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,400
things. 
Eggs and sardines in the past 

711
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,240
have been like, really? 
They're going to really hit home

712
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,800
for even a dog that's being like
this. 

713
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,720
I feel like there's even more. 
Yeah, go ahead. 

714
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,120
No. 
No, no, you're right. 

715
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,640
So egg protein 100%. 
Yeah. 

716
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,520
Doesn't get better. 
OK, fish to the omegas. 

717
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,120
And those are the reasons. 
Yeah. 

718
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,480
But blood? 
This is the easiest way to 

719
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,840
describe the benefits. 
It is the elixir of life. 

720
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,000
Nothing survives as mammalians 
without it, right? 

721
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
We don't exist. 
It keeps us healthy. 

722
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,200
It keeps us alive. 
And yet we're only just waking 

723
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,280
up to that fact, which is, I 
mean, we realize if we cut 

724
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
ourselves and we bleed, then 
we're in trouble, right? 

725
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,320
We're in trouble because it 
provides all the oxygen and and 

726
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,120
every nutrient that we need to 
survive. 

727
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,280
So why do we throw it away? 
Why are we and we literally one 

728
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,240
of the studies that I'll send 
you, it's pretty horrific. 

729
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,360
It was done in 2021 in the US 
Looked at the wastage around the

730
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,560
globe of blood products and I 
only discovered these when I was

731
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,880
researching for Totonics and one
back in 2015. 

732
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,000
But that latest one in 2021 
predicted that if we don't get 

733
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,960
on top of the billions of 
gallons of blood around the 

734
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,360
globe that have been poured down
the drain untreated by 20-30, 

735
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,600
that's enough to kill the 
planet. 

736
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,200
The reason they were doing the 
study? 

737
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,640
Wait for this, right? 
Was because they realize it's 

738
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,040
one of the best proteins that 
people could use. 

739
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,880
OK, It's absolutely the best 
minerals, vitamins, everything 

740
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,040
you could have, right? 
So they looked at how they could

741
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,640
introduce it back into food. 
In other words, give the food 

742
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,960
something that it really misses,
which is bioavailable proteins 

743
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,720
and stuff. 
But they tried and it failed 

744
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,680
because of the heme, because of 
the iron. 

745
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,920
People could taste the iron and 
not put them off. 

746
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,760
I mean, yeah, I must have 
Scottish heritage. 

747
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,960
I don't know. 
I don't think I did. 

748
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,440
But I'm certainly Viking. 
But they certainly, I love black

749
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,320
puddings, right? 
And people are going, no, no 

750
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,600
black puddings, right? 
But there's a reason for that. 

751
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,840
It's made with blood. 
OK, that's it. 

752
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,280
I think that's one of the few 
meals out there that in the West

753
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,920
that they will eat, and it's 
made with blood. 

754
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,000
But go back to China. 
And when I was doing my 

755
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,560
research, so it turned out that 
emperor's had their own herds of

756
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360
venison, only the emperor's, 
right. 

757
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,840
And they drank their blood from 
those day, every day. 

758
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Emperors were living to 95 years
of age, right? 

759
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,960
And yeah, they had the 
healthcare and stuff. 

760
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480
But compare that to, you know, 
the people that are herding the 

761
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,320
deer and looking after them, you
know, 4550. 

762
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:17,280
So in China at the moment, if 
you want to drink venison blood,

763
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,000
you'll be paying over $500 USI 
know. 

764
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,760
And you can have it for that. 
They understand the benefits of 

765
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,040
the vitamins, the minerals, the 
iron, everything. 

766
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,280
But IGF one, it's. 
Yeah, so much so wait for it. 

767
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,880
This is what humans decided to 
do once we discovered IGF. 

768
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,920
What? 
We decided to replicate it, 

769
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,920
didn't we? 
And make a synthetic version so 

770
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,840
that athletes could win races. 
So they spray in the mouth 

771
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,080
absorption. 
Great. 

772
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,800
So that's banned in sport. 
Now you've got it. 

773
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,000
You have to seriously question 
humans, don't you? 

774
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,480
Well, every day. 
Yeah, only every day. 

775
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,200
Only every day, but in its 
natural format. 

776
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Why wouldn't you? 
I'm 360. 

777
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,760
I've been drinking venison 
blood. 

778
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,600
No, I'm not. 
I'm only kidding, all right? 

779
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,800
But yeah, I certainly drink 
venison blood. 

780
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,280
Oh my goodness, well I I mean 
like I said I've only in the 

781
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,120
past like 2 weeks have started 
giving it to Kim. 

782
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,080
I feel like I noticed a 
difference even though like I 

783
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,840
didn't know what I was going to 
be looking for. 

784
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,800
I did know that she started to 
slow down this year. 

785
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,000
Like she I just celebrated her 
12th birthday with her and she 

786
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,800
has been a puppy. 
She has acted and looked like a 

787
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,840
puppy up until this year and all
of a sudden it was like she's 

788
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,360
getting older and slowing down 
and I'm like Nope, I need, I 

789
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,400
need to do something. 
I need to get on top of this. 

790
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,280
And I did use sent me the gut 
one because I am working on her 

791
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,120
gut health and which was great. 
Also again, until this year, 

792
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,880
this year it it's it's kind of 
declined. 

793
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,440
So we're working on it. 
But I have definitely noticed 

794
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,920
like just more vitality. 
You got it in her overall. 

795
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,840
It had been months since she 
initiated playtime and she's 

796
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,800
initiating playtime again. 
So it's just those little 

797
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,400
things. 
And that it's a real boost to 

798
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,960
their system. 
So we are the IGF one is 

799
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,240
literally regrowing cells, 
right? 

800
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,280
Cells that wouldn't normally 
regrow. 

801
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,280
It's it's called a performance 
enhancer for a reason. 

802
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,120
And you know, the dog way better
for it. 

803
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:22,320
And there's lots of different 
reasons. 

804
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,560
You know, a bit more fluid, 
obviously the iron, all of the 

805
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,440
all of those are the building 
blocks of life cannot be 

806
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,680
replicated by humans. 
Doesn't matter how good we think

807
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,520
we are, we don't come up with 
the synthetic blood, the trying 

808
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,720
like the synthetic meats, right.
You won't be finding me eating 

809
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,360
them to past that. 
But does that make sense? 

810
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,600
It they are. 
Yeah. 

811
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,280
For some reason we think we know
better. 

812
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,200
And I still don't know what that
reason is. 

813
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Well, that reason is killing the
planet in so many different 

814
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,360
ways. 
OK, the arrogance of humans, 

815
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,240
right. 
But if you. 

816
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,080
What I say is if you look at 
nature, you will get your 

817
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,280
answers. 
You will see this work really 

818
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,320
quickly and. 
And it staggered me. 

819
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,280
I trialled it on some of my with
best friends and one of them as 

820
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,000
a groomer and she has a dog that
was 9 and serious hip problems. 

821
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,240
And I said, look, you know what 
we've done to little Elmo And 

822
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,960
she goes, it's unbelievable. 
And I said, well, here you go. 

823
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,360
If you wouldn't mind being a try
and get. 

824
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,600
So look, Jeff, you know, we 
freed roar. 

825
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,720
We're into it. 
Let's do it. 

826
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:21,600
So needs to say she phones her 
back in 24 hours later in tears 

827
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,640
and I'm well, I said, what 
happened? 

828
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,400
I think, you know, she goes for 
the last two years. 

829
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,200
He couldn't jump into the car. 
What did you put in it? 

830
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,280
She said, I know you're amazing,
but because I didn't tell her 

831
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,640
what it was, I just said try it.
And she said, what have you 

832
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:37,600
done? 
I went. 

833
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,920
I haven't done anything. 
So your dog jumped into the car 

834
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,800
with literally 24 hours, right? 
So how does that happen? 

835
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,280
The dog felt so much better for 
whatever reason. 

836
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,960
You know, I'm not saying it was 
a total tonic fluke, but 

837
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,280
seriously, it's not the first 
thing we're hearing now. 

838
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,440
There's numerous stories coming 
across that I'm going, yeah, I 

839
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,480
love nature, right? 
It isn't me. 

840
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,600
I didn't. 
I didn't do this. 

841
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,640
I'd love to say my idea. 
No, I stole it. 

842
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
I stole it from nature and it's 
the only place I would steal 

843
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,560
anything so. 
Yeah, but nobody else, nobody 

844
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,080
else is. 
I don't know where else we can 

845
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,080
get this. 
I mean, I guess if you're a 

846
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,400
hunter or if you know a hunter, 
you could, you know, but. 

847
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,680
Absolutely. 
Well, you know, that's, that's 

848
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,680
a, that's a pretty small 
percentage of us in the US, 

849
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,160
unfortunately. 
Like we just don't. 

850
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,320
Yeah. 
Unless, I mean. 

851
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,040
You're right. 
And with that, I say, yes, do 

852
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,280
it. 
You've got to know the animals 

853
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,880
sort of free of TB and, and you 
know those, whereas we can say 

854
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,640
if that is the case here, you 
know, it's not, please don't go 

855
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:38,800
out shooting the neighbors, 
dear. 

856
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,200
You'll get me shot. 
But you know, and I know there 

857
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,120
is a disease, I think in in the 
American herds, they're calling 

858
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,400
it the zombie disease. 
But so, yeah. 

859
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,680
But again, that's, yeah, that's 
not the fault of America. 

860
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,960
That's unfortunately, yeah. 
Just I mean, I grew up eating 

861
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,920
venison a lot because my stepdad
is a hunter. 

862
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,040
So you know, I that's. 
Why? 

863
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,440
You look like you're 21, right? 
Well, I do not but think like I 

864
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,680
really do though look back and 
I'm like, I would love to eat 

865
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,080
like that again. 
I, you know, he's old enough 

866
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
that he doesn't really go 
hunting anymore. 

867
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,760
And I don't have anybody else 
that does in my life that does 

868
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,880
go hunting. 
And I am not going to do it. 

869
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,440
Like I appreciate very much the 
people that do do it for food, 

870
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,560
not necessarily for sport, but 
for food. 

871
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,720
And but I just don't think I 
could be the one to do that, 

872
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,040
whether it is, you know. 
Yeah. 

873
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,000
Letting that arrow go or 
whatever. 

874
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,960
I don't think I could do that, 
but I definitely miss eating 

875
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,040
that way. 
I have recently decided I'm 

876
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,960
going to try to figure out how 
to get elk in my diet because I 

877
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,280
really like that. 
But I do think that there is 

878
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,200
something to be said for even 
like for us humans, but also 

879
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,480
even if we are DIY feeding our 
dogs, like finding foods that 

880
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,320
are not in the grocery store. 
100% I think there's something 

881
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,200
honestly, if if they can't find 
anything else, just find this 

882
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,840
blood honestly, just please. 
I we are seeing massive, much 

883
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,520
bigger differences. 
Obviously, as you can imagine in

884
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,520
the kibble fed dogs, you know, 
huge changes in them. 

885
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,400
Things like, you know, that dry 
nose, for example, is, you know,

886
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,800
they give it creams and also 
it's never going to fix it, 

887
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,000
right. 
The dogs dehydrated. 

888
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,120
It's that's the reason it's got 
a dry nose. 

889
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,800
You know, dandruff, all, all of 
the conditions that dogs are 

890
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,880
showing, terrible skin, you 
know, terrible fur. 

891
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,000
Yeah. 
Is it can be easily fixed with 

892
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,560
something added, you know, and 
I, and I get it, it's, it's 

893
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,440
another thing to do. 
But trust me, your dog will love

894
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,680
you more than they already do. 
And they love us, the ends of 

895
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,640
the earth. 
Yeah, I'm really glad that you 

896
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
have been able to get Totonics 
into the US and that it is now 

897
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,800
available. 
Where can people find it? 

898
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:59,920
All they need to do is go on 
totonics.com and we're listing 

899
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:04,400
all of the stores that are 
starting to stock it in the US 

900
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,880
and you can buy it online and 
through Amazon now and through 

901
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,440
our own website. 
So there's plenty of places that

902
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,080
you can get hold of this product
now. 

903
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,720
So yeah, please, please make 
make my day and give dogs 

904
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,840
something, Yeah, that nature 
gave to me, really, to help 

905
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,160
them. 
And that's the key. 

906
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,880
So you will do me a great favor 
and I really appreciate you 

907
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,560
having me on this podcast, 
Jessica, so that I can let 

908
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,400
people know. 
Of course, of course. 

909
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,120
I mean, I'm just, I'm impressed 
with it. 

910
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,640
I'm for not just what I've seen 
in Kim, but also just that it's 

911
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,160
new and different and innovative
and and that has been lacking a 

912
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,920
lot. 
And as you said, it really has 

913
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,720
been lacking. 
Like we're, we're just kind of 

914
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,920
even even food companies are for
the most part just OK doing the 

915
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,520
same thing over and over and 
over again. 

916
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,880
There, there isn't a whole heck 
of a lot of it outside of one 

917
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,520
company that I know of. 
There just isn't a whole lot of 

918
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,720
innovation and. 
And it's sad because there's so 

919
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,480
much. 
I know I was. 

920
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,960
I can honestly say I was 
horrified because Shane dragged 

921
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,280
me out of, so I say semi 
retirement. 

922
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,240
I was training dogs and loving 
what I do and that's something 

923
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:24,560
else with Totonics. 
If you buy anything above $35 or

924
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:29,400
that's starter pack or Sasha box
or anything, if you buy that, 

925
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,640
you get access to free online 
training that I developed with 

926
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,040
the help of Professor Burns. 
So it's neurological training. 

927
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,200
You will be able to speak to 
your dog for the first time 

928
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,600
ever. 
Their language you will be 

929
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,720
blown. 
I'm giving that away free. 

930
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,120
It's something I didn't made 
money on. 

931
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,800
But for those people that back 
to tonics, they're going to get 

932
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,560
it for free because I want not 
just the obviously their health 

933
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,720
and vitality to improve. 
I want their welfare to improve.

934
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,400
You'll never need to shout at 
your dog. 

935
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,120
You will communicate 100% with 
them, which is for me is just 

936
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,240
staggering. 
I've struggled to do that for so

937
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:11,880
many years, but thanks to one of
your professors over in the US 

938
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:18,160
who broke away and opened up a 
university wing of a university 

939
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,960
in Durham, NC, to study the 
intelligence of dogs. 

940
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,320
Thanks to him, we now have an 
understanding of not just how 

941
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,680
loyal they are, but how 
intelligent are dogs, which is 

942
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,320
kind of scary when. 
So if you watch my videos, I do,

943
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,600
it's probably about an hour of 
seminars. 

944
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,680
They're broken up. 
So I don't boy to death, But it 

945
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,520
takes you into the brain of the 
dog. 

946
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
And. 
Yeah, and you will understand 

947
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,080
exactly how to communicate with 
him, which is just phenomenal. 

948
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,400
My dogs lock doors made-up. 
Yeah, they'll do whatever. 

949
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,640
They'll make the bed, They'll do
anything. 

950
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,160
I ask the struggle because 
they're a bit smaller now, but 

951
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,960
yeah, yeah, they'll do anything.
They just didn't get me beer out

952
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,440
of the fridge. 
They are just, you'll see it on 

953
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,320
the video. 
They just. 

954
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Yeah, I don't drink beer. 
I'm only kidding. 

955
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,960
They'll get me a bottle out the 
fridge, but whatever else. 

956
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:10,040
So yeah, your dogs are capable 
of detecting oxygen levels, 

957
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,840
epilepsy, and these videos will 
teach you how. 

958
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,520
It's just phenomenal. 
Teach you how to ask them. 

959
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,040
They can already do it, right? 
But you'll know how to ask. 

960
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,600
So yeah, please fill your boots.
I'll send you the link, Jessica.

961
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,480
I haven't done it already. 
Yeah, you know what, Shane might

962
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,280
have? 
I went through the Teutonics 

963
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,400
training. 
He might have sent me another 

964
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,840
one. 
I'll go back in my emails and 

965
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,720
let. 
If not, just I'll flick it to 

966
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:37,480
you. 
But it's free. 

967
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,480
Yeah, you've got Teutonics, so 
you get it for free. 

968
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,080
That's amazing. 
That's amazing. 

969
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:46,200
And I know, like, I feel like 
this is a new staple in Kim's 

970
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,760
diet. 
I can't say enough about 

971
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,280
hydrating our pets. 
When somebody asks me like what 

972
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,600
is the hill I'm going to die on?
It's hydration. 

973
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,640
She already like her morning 
breakfast is raw goat's milk. 

974
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,120
That's it. 
Sometimes I'll put an egg yolk 

975
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,600
in it, but that's like, that's 
her breakfast. 

976
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:14,280
And then being able to add the 
blood at her because she only 

977
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880
really eats one meal a day in 
the evening. 

978
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
I I just, I feel like this is a 
new staple in her diet. 

979
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,480
So I appreciate it. 
Thank you so much. 

980
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,240
Yes. 
I'll just give you a clue. 

981
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,000
Cana thing that really tipped me
over the edge, Canine Natural 

982
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,680
came out with a milk drink for 
dogs and I can't think it was 

983
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,280
cow's milk, but they're taking 
out the lactose because 

984
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,720
obviously dogs are lactose 
intolerant and they put it on 

985
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,640
the market and I just, I could 
have cried, right? 

986
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,280
It just broke my heart because 
humans are still drinking milk 

987
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:50,240
for what reason? 
That's a growth hormone from a 

988
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:52,680
cow, right? 
It grows baby cows. 

989
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560
So it's full of growth hormone 
that we don't really need and 

990
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,200
it's definitely not species 
appropriate. 

991
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
I'm like, why would you do that?
I mean, dogs, mammals stop 

992
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,040
drinking, you know, in nature 
start drinking milk at the age 

993
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,040
of 4 weeks and then they go on 
to solids, which in dogs cases 

994
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
is raw meat, you know, 
regurgitate from the mum, 

995
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,880
obviously. 
But it's, it just baffles me 

996
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,480
that we come up with, you know, 
drinks that are the exact 

997
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,760
opposite of what really they 
should be having. 

998
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,080
But we do. 
I don't know why, but we do. 

999
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,000
But eggs, yeah, you can't go 
wrong with eggs. 

1000
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,480
You've got to be careful with 
some dogs because they can 

1001
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,480
become intolerant to the egg. 
And that's because of the 

1002
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,880
vaccine side of things. 
You know, I mean, the new 

1003
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,000
vaccines coming out, well, it 
hasn't hit dogs yet. 

1004
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,120
And the new vaccines aren't 
drawn in embryos anymore, but 

1005
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,760
the older vaccines were. 
And so, you know, some of them 

1006
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,320
are getting that, that 
intolerance to them. 

1007
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,680
But yeah, eggs are fantastic 
food. 

1008
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,920
You're dead right. 
And pilchards, Yeah. 

1009
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,840
Any Omega threes? 
Just steer clear of Omega sick 

1010
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,080
as you know. 
Well, yeah, as many as possible.

1011
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,040
I mean, I think what is the, the
ideal ratio is like 1 to 4 for a

1012
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,320
dog. 
Is that right? 

1013
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,120
No, you're like, no, no, Nope. 
Just whatever. 

1014
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,360
Whatever is in nature, whatever 
is in that kind of meat, that's.

1015
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,280
Good. 
And there's hardly any. 

1016
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,200
In fact, it's a micronutrient 
again in that at that level. 

1017
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,120
So we're never going to recreate
that unless you're feeding them 

1018
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,560
raw. 
If they're getting raw, then 

1019
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,480
they're getting, they're getting
it and because it's in the 

1020
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,000
blood, right. 
So that's back to the where I 

1021
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,920
am, you know, it's, it's 
transported through that system.

1022
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,240
And if it's in there, then it's 
it's required because otherwise 

1023
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,040
they would get rid of it. 
And that's the problem. 

1024
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,760
They're getting so much that 
they can't get rid of it, and 

1025
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,200
that's what's causing the other 
problems. 

1026
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,880
Our dogs are dying younger and 
younger, and there's a reason 

1027
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,640
behind that. 
So well, I am thankful for you 

1028
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:44,520
bringing this new product line 
to market and bringing it into 

1029
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,720
the US for us to enjoy some 
really amazing products out of 

1030
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,400
New Zealand. 
I, I feel like all the best 

1031
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,480
products pretty much come out of
New Zealand for what you just, 

1032
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,600
you know, said at the beginning 
of this, like your standards are

1033
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,280
so high. 
The animals are being raised the

1034
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,520
way nature intended. 
And you know, that's not we, we,

1035
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,760
you know, there, there are some 
ranches doing things right here,

1036
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,720
but it's a still a pretty small 
percentage of our foods, our 

1037
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:20,600
overall food supply in the US. 
So it is much harder to find 

1038
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
that kind of thing here. 
So it is. 

1039
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Look, we're very fortunate. 
We have very few people and huge

1040
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,040
lands, so and a climate that 
allows us to do it, you know, 

1041
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,880
and US isn't as fortunate as 
that. 

1042
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,480
It hasn't, you know, it's got a 
much higher population. 

1043
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,520
So I understand the 
difficulties. 

1044
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:42,120
But yeah, it is. 
Yeah, we are very fortunate. 

1045
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,720
And it's just, for me, it was 
meant to be. 

1046
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,440
I was meant to come here and do 
this and yeah, so that's what 

1047
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,040
I'm doing with people like you 
that can help me get it out 

1048
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:51,400
there. 
So. 

1049
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Well, I very much appreciate it.
I appreciate you taking your 

1050
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,160
time to come on and talk to all 
of us about it. 

1051
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:05,280
Guys, go check out Totonics, 
TOTONIK s.com. 

1052
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
That will be in the show notes. 
So you can just click the link 

1053
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,480
and go. 
And yeah, I'm, I'm excited to 

1054
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,640
hear you guys tell me like come 
on Instagram, send me some DMS. 

1055
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,200
Let me know once you try this, 
what you're seeing in your dogs,

1056
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,400
what changes you're seeing 
Because I think, like I said, 

1057
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,200
even with Kimberly being a fresh
fed dog, there are still 

1058
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,800
benefits to be had. 
So with that, thank you again 

1059
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,280
and Jeff for being here guys, 
have a fabulous rest of your 

1060
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,680
week. 
Please give your pets some extra

1061
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,200
love from me and from Jeff. 
Yes please. 

1062
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,120
And I will talk to you next. 
Fantastic, Jessica.