1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:05,520 What is the most underrated low cost change that a pet parent 2 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:08,440 could make with a really great impact? 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:13,120 I think doing less for your pet, actually saving money on your 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,000 vet care. I think when people get that 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,080 reminder in the mail, they feel such guilt. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,680 Welcome to the Pet Parenting Reset. 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,520 I'm Jessica Fisher, a canine nutritionist and holistic pet 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,640 health coach. This is your Food First, no 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:35,680 fluff, integrative small business small pet food small 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,960 supplement manufacturer podcast for raising healthier dogs and 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:45,120 cats with real science, real talk and better choices. 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,840 Hit, follow and let's reset. Welcome back pet parent. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,320 You know, I always love having veterinarians on, especially the 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,960 ones that can help us understand their journey into a more 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,720 holistic lifestyle, into a more holistic practice for their 16 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,440 patients. And so when Doctor Christy 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Wilson and her team reached out to me to come on the podcast and 18 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,080 I learned a little bit more about her story, I was really 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 excited to bring her on to talk to you guys. 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,480 For anybody who's listening, if this is the first time you are 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,520 listening, my name is Jessica. I am AK-9 nutritionist and 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,760 holistic pet health coach, and I host this podcast that you're 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,000 listening to right now, the Pet Parenting Reset. 24 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,080 And on this podcast, we talk about all things holistic 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,480 health, integrative health, quality of life for you and your 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,840 pets. So I want to welcome Doctor 27 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,640 Christy Wilson to the show. Thank you so much for being here 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,360 with us today. Thank you for having me, glad to 29 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,920 be here. Yeah. 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,320 So I'd like to just start a little bit. 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,920 I know you were going to talk about all of it. 32 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,240 You have a pretty incredible story. 33 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,720 You do have a background now in TCDM, so we're going to talk 34 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,400 about all of those things, but I'd love to just start out. 35 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,920 One of the things that I like to ask veterinarians is, you know, 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,039 chances are you had a very conventional training in vet 37 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:15,880 school. So how did you go from that 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,880 conventional mindset indoctrination and to get to 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,440 where you are now? So I graduated from veterinary 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,720 school in 2002 and I was a can be I, I was a totally 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,080 conventional, you know, trained that. 42 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,920 I went to great institution, Texas A&M University and I did 43 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:41,120 get a great education there. I came out of school and 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,920 practice in Dallas, TX for three years and then I practiced in 45 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:49,600 Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA for 12 years. 46 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,160 And really, you know, most holistic veterinarians have a 47 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,880 start in conventional practice and, and that was true for me as 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,520 well. The first ten years of my 49 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,680 practice were pretty conventional, you know, 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,040 practicing as I had been trained and not deviating from that too 51 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,320 much. And then really what happened is 52 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,480 that I had a family health crisis. 53 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,280 So I have three children and all of my kids were born with, well, 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,400 not really born with, but in their very early years developed 55 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,440 a lot of health concerns. And we had, you know, I always 56 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,280 prided myself on choosing the best doctors and going to the 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,240 best medical centers to get advice. 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,400 And I was following all the advice of the practitioners that 59 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,680 I was seeking out. But unfortunately, with my 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,560 Children's Health problems, there wasn't. 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,080 And there wasn't really a good answer as far as how they would 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,560 get over it. So one of my kids who had a 63 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,000 severe peanut allergy. And that didn't make sense to me 64 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,520 because my husband and I, when we were kids, there weren't 65 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,440 peanut allergies. So me being a curious person, 66 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,960 and then my husband is as a landscape architect, so he has a 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,640 lot of background in ecology. And so he understands ecosystems 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,120 and I understood medicine. And, you know, it just didn't 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,320 make a sense to us that how did this happen? 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Like we can't just accept the fact that our kid is allergic to 71 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,040 peanuts and has to carry an EpiPen. 72 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,279 But what led to that? Why, why is he alerted to 73 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:18,880 peanuts? And that was just one of the 74 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,120 things that we dealt with. All three of my kids had some 75 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:26,040 serious health concerns and then even our family cat had the 76 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,240 same. My cat was young and she had 77 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,840 asthma and, and inflammatory bowel disease and chronic skin 78 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,240 condition. And so she was going through 79 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,200 things at the same time as we were. 80 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,520 And I had noticed, you know, I started working in veterinary 81 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,920 medicine, cleaning kennels when I was 14 years old and cleaning 82 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,320 the vet hospital. And, you know, I had noticed 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,040 over my whole career, including when I was cleaning kennels, 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,800 that the pets had changed. You know, there were there were 85 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,760 a lot more medications for humans and animals. 86 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,720 And we never, you know, previously had to have so many 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,960 medications to keep, to keep pets healthy and to keep my 88 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,040 human family healthy. So my husband and I really went 89 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,560 on a pursuit of health when our kids were little. 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,960 And then we ended up finding stumbling that was kind of at 91 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,200 the beginning of when smartphones were invented. 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,520 And so we were just constantly searching, you know, the great 93 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,960 World Wide Web had just been that it allowed us to have so 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,880 much more access to all this information than we ever had 95 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,520 before. And so we just couldn't stop 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,360 trying to figure out what had led to all these problems for 97 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,960 our family. And so we eventually found some 98 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,440 really good podcast. 1 was by Natasha Campbell Bride. 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:48,840 She did a podcast about autism, allergies and ADHD and we read 100 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:51,760 it or we listen to it and you're like, Oh my gosh, this is 101 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,960 definitely like what where we need to explore further. 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,840 And so we just kept kept searching and kept going down 103 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,200 more rabbit holes and they just kept leading to more and more 104 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,720 information. And there were no dead ends. 105 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,280 You know, it was like they're just more doors to open. 106 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:09,720 More you learn, the more you learn, the more that's out 107 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,440 there. And I actually changed my diet 108 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,560 pretty drastically when my kids were little. 109 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,480 And, you know, I ended up being the grand finale of our family's 110 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,240 health problems. I was diagnosed with stage 3C 111 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,360 breast cancer in 2018. And so we had already been on a 112 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,440 quest for health prior to my diagnosis. 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,440 And you know, when I was diagnosed, I was diagnosed with 114 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,720 advanced breast cancer. I even had cancer in my neck. 115 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,840 It was kind of like a gunshot smattering of cancer in my upper 116 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:41,520 quadrant. And so it was a really big deal. 117 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,920 And I believe that I lived with that breast cancer for many 118 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,120 years. And I think that because they 119 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,400 have changed my diet, when I was diagnosed with cancer, the 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,000 doctors that I went to at MD Anderson, they commented like 121 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,520 this is not very common for someone to have such extensive 122 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,720 local disease without any distant metastasis. 123 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,160 And I do believe that my body was fighting as hard as it could 124 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,920 to hold that cancer back because I had changed my diet and 125 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,440 because I had done so much for my health prior to my diagnosis, 126 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,000 I think my immune system was working as hard as it possibly 127 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,200 could and it contained the cancer at least in that 128 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,440 quadrant. So thankfully it wasn't was at 129 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,440 stage 3C, but you know, so we have, I've had a long road, I 130 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,600 say, you know, the Lord's blessed me with so many problems 131 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,080 with myself and my family and that's allowed me to relate to 132 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,920 many of my patients. And a lot of the information 133 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,160 that I've learned about taking care of myself and my family and 134 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,920 my patients is stuff that is so new that it's not made it 135 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,480 through continuing education. You know, so continuing 136 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,760 education requires every vet to go to a conference and to listen 137 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,160 to a speaker. And so the transfer of 138 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,760 information is, is fairly slow. And because by the time you get 139 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,640 the person to speak about it and the place, you know, all of that 140 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,240 takes time. And I remember when my kids were 141 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,600 were little, I said, I don't have 10 years for these kids. 142 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,760 I don't have 10 years to wait. Like I have to do something 143 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,600 right now because these kids need to live like a normal life 144 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,680 without medication and they they need to go to, to, you know, 145 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,240 college and, and get married someday. 146 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,320 My kids, maybe that wasn't going to be possible for the the plan 147 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,360 that we were on. And we did intervene for our 148 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,280 kids and our kids are all thriving today and have a pretty 149 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,159 typical life. The blessing of an ordinary life 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,880 is so amazing, really. Yeah, well, and what about you? 151 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,960 Yeah, I'm doing great too. So I, you know, I went through 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,480 treatment seven years ago at at that time I, I was definitely 153 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,440 well on my holistic journey, but I didn't know near enough to be 154 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,320 able to save myself from that situation. 155 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,320 So I did go through the conventional treatment of 156 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, all of my lymph nodes 157 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,960 removed in my left axilla. I have AI still have lymphedema 158 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,160 in my left arm because I have no lymph nodes on the left side and 159 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,560 so that they they took them out in surgery. 160 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:25,280 So I still have a lot of things that I deal with chronically, 161 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,960 but I don't have cancer. I went through conventional 162 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,520 treatment. I actually had to have radiation 163 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,200 up to my jaw. And when I was going through 164 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,800 radiation, they, I had to go to the dental oncologist and they, 165 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,920 they said I was going to need to use fluoride trays because they 166 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,480 were going to kill my salivary gland and I wouldn't have any 167 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,040 saliva. And then I'd probably get all 168 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,400 these cavities. And I looked at the doctor and 169 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 was like, I don't even use fluoride in my toothpaste. 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,800 How can I possibly use fluoride trays in my mouth? 171 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,680 And so I then was like, there's got to be another way. 172 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,480 So I found an acupuncturist and, and I went to acupuncture twice 173 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,440 a week. The entire time I had radiation 174 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,320 on my neck and he saved my salivation. 175 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:17,040 And so I have great salivation now and I have no problems and 176 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,600 definitely not using any fluoride trays. 177 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,600 So, you know, it's just the more I learn and, and all of the 178 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,920 things that my family has been through, there is always another 179 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,120 option. When I, when you get something 180 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,760 like a recommendation of fluoride trays, it's like, OK, 181 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,680 I've got to figure that out now. It's just like what do I have to 182 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:37,760 figure out next? Yeah, yeah. 183 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,320 Oh, gosh. And it's a lot. 184 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,520 And you can see why a lot of people just kind of give up. 185 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,680 They're like, it is what it is. I have to do what I have to do 186 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:55,320 and don't take the time to go down the rabbit holes, 187 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,520 especially when you know, the average person doesn't even know 188 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,280 like what to trust online. The Internet is amazing and it's 189 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,800 horrible, right? Like it, there's so much opinion 190 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,240 that oftentimes it drowns out truth. 191 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:20,120 And you know, I, I tend to always, not that it is 100% 192 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:25,560 correct to do so, but I tend to always air on like, OK, what's 193 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,960 more natural, what's more like came from the earth that was 194 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,400 given to us to be able to live this life, which isn't again, 195 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:41,520 it's not 100% like we can't act that way 100% anymore because of 196 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,720 what we've done to the planet. In my opinion, even with 197 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,520 nutrition, like we have depleted the soils and killed the soils 198 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,120 and like the are the topsoil and so we we have to make 199 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,360 adjustments. But when I'm like evaluating 200 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,520 something, I'm like, OK, how natural is this? 201 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,680 What's the truth? I don't know. 202 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,880 But that's an incredible story, you know, and I think one that 203 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:14,160 so many people can relate to, especially I put up a podcast 204 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,400 not too long ago that was very not on brand for me. 205 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:26,800 But I just am to the point where I'm not going to silence myself 206 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:32,880 anymore for the sake of, you know, possibly offending 207 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,480 somebody. Like my truth is my truth. 208 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:44,280 I, I, I say that to preface that I'm getting ready to say that 209 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:51,160 there's so much out there that I think is true, but we have a 210 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,320 huge propaganda machine in the pharmaceutical companies and 211 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,040 the, that, that whole, what Rockefeller started like we, it, 212 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,400 it's very, very interesting when you actually go and look that, 213 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:07,720 you know, he actually believed in natural medicine, but that 214 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,320 wasn't going to be profitable for him. 215 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:14,240 So the whole country and then it has cascaded to other countries 216 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,520 has just been on this huge propaganda train of for, you 217 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,840 know, 100 years at this point. And just tell somebody that 218 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,520 there is another way. And by the way, this is how we 219 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,600 used to do it forever ago. Like if we could just remember 220 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,000 if like we listen to our intuition and our body and we 221 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,960 can remember that, we would realize that, oh, no, this, this 222 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,400 can be real. This actually can help me 223 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:47,080 instead of having this like, knee jerk reaction that, oh, 224 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,920 you're just woo woo. Yeah, it's incredible to me. 225 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,880 And I have really experienced this first hand for the past 15 226 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:05,160 years almost because it's interesting because the number 227 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,680 of times that I have been cancelled and discredited for 228 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,000 leaning on more natural medicine and the friends that I have lost 229 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,200 and the relationships and all of that, you know, and it's because 230 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,760 it's just a very complicated, it's a very complicated web of 231 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,840 problems. I, when my kids were little, I 232 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,080 noticed that my son was have a reaction to gluten. 233 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,000 And when he would eat it, it would be really significant. 234 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,000 And the changes in him, you know, I at that time, this was 235 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,680 12 years ago before being gluten free was cool. 236 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,320 And, you know, it was almost impossible for me to trust 237 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,720 anyone with my son because no one believed that it could be 238 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,080 that harmful to him. What's 1? 239 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,120 What's 1 pretzel stick? Like, come on, Is that really 240 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,680 going to hurt your son? And then they would think you're 241 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,400 just crazy because you don't let your kid have a pretzel stick 242 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,920 and you're, you know, depriving them of something that kids 243 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,760 should have, you know, And that was a huge, huge battle for me. 244 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,840 And thankfully, the world has become so much more accepting of 245 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,840 the gluten, the needs of gluten. And now there's all kinds of 246 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,120 literature and, and hard studies that say, you know, gluten can 247 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,880 actually cause a whole bunch of problems that are not what you 248 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,720 would expect. I mean, every, everyone thinks 249 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,880 so a stomach ache, you know, you can get from gluten, but the 250 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,600 amount of, of problems that you can get with dermatologics 251 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,880 changes, neurologic changes from gluten is so significant. 252 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,600 And that's just kind of one example of the past 12 years of 253 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,080 evolution of me trying to take care of my family is that 12 254 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,680 years ago, I was completely ostracized for that. 255 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,640 And now it's very much accepted, you know, and it's kind of, 256 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,720 that's just one example I've done, you know, I've got a 257 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,760 hundreds of more, more examples of the same thing where, you 258 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,400 know, initially when people hear it, they just, you know, rear up 259 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,440 against it. And they really are are I think 260 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,200 that you're just crazy. And and then give it time, let 261 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,080 it simmer, let more people be aware of it. 262 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,240 And then the world comes around, you know? 263 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,680 Yeah. Well, and there certainly is 264 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,120 gluten definitely causes issues and people and I think life is a 265 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,520 causes even more issues in a broader group of people. 266 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,680 Overwhelmingly the medical establishment doesn't believe 267 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,320 women. And who is talking about this? 268 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Women for themselves and for their children And they just, 269 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,240 you know, there's, it's very well known. 270 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,920 The medical establishment just doesn't believe women. 271 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:56,400 Yeah. But I'm curious how this changed 272 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,560 your practice as a veterinarian. Well, that's a great question. 273 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,200 I basically, you know, I've always put the oxygen mask on my 274 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:10,839 family first before my practice because my children were and 275 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,760 were the most important thing to me with my goals. 276 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,240 And, you know, so I always was pushing to learn more for them 277 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,839 and for myself eventually when I was trying to save myself from 278 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,000 cancer, too. Because, you know, conventional 279 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,960 medicine will get you so far. Conventional medicine certainly 280 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,200 got me out of the weeds with my own diagnosis. 281 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,920 It certainly did. But I do not believe I'd be 282 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,720 alive today if I hadn't picked up the reins and gone in a 283 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,280 holistic path to make sure that it didn't come back. 284 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,440 So it's definitely a combination. 285 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,840 And so as I'm learning all of this stuff, I was running a 286 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,400 satellite clinic for a bigger hospital. 287 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,600 It was owned by an individual, but it was a secondary hospital. 288 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,400 And I had the privilege of being able to sort of drag my patients 289 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,600 along with me because I was working by myself in this 290 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,440 hospital and I had a lot of very faithful clients that I knew 291 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,080 very well. And I put these pets on 292 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,560 medications. And I'm like, after I'm learning 293 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,040 about this for my family, I'm thinking this isn't the only 294 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,400 thing we can do. We can do so much more than 295 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,440 this. And so I'm, I started very early 296 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,640 on, about 15 years ago, changing everybody's food. 297 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,240 You know, I was putting them on different foods and I was 298 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:30,720 noticing them get better. You know, I started way over to 299 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,600 one side. And as I've gone, I've gone 300 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,520 little bits and gradually gone to the complete opposite end of 301 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,600 the spectrum. And you know, even when I 302 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:45,640 started my own practice in 2019, I called myself integrative 303 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:52,200 because I wasn't as holistic. I was more melding conventional 304 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:56,640 and holistic practices. And now I, I definitely can call 305 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,840 myself integrative because I, I use a lot of integrative 306 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,480 modalities, but I just think I'm probably like an 11 out of 10 in 307 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,800 the holistic spectrum at this point because I've gone so far 308 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,760 over to the other direction. And it isn't on purpose. 309 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,720 It's just that the more I learn, the more holistic I get. 310 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,160 And, you know, I have seen rewards in myself, my family and 311 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,520 my patients that no one would even believe are possible. 312 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,080 And that is what keeps me going. And that's what keeps me pushing 313 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,240 and learning. And there's always more to 314 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,400 learn. I'm constantly at continuing 315 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,320 education conferences, you know, reading books, following 316 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:35,880 different people on social media. 317 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,960 You know, I'm always pushing to learn. 318 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,160 Like, what else can I learn to make this better? 319 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,840 And every time a patient comes in to me, I say, you know, you 320 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,720 came in six months ago. I'm not the same practitioner I 321 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,680 was six months ago. Because every every time you 322 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,080 come in, I'm going to be new and improved because I've always 323 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,000 learned something else. And that's the beauty of 324 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,000 holistic medicine is that they're really, you can never be 325 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,200 an expert in holistic medicine because you can be an expert in 326 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,360 one area of holistic medicine, but there's always somebody 327 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,680 who's. An expert in a different area 328 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,240 that you don't know anything about. 329 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,280 South. And now I use all kinds of 330 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,520 modalities in my practice that are super rewarding, and they're 331 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,960 just able to give me and my patients things that I never 332 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,680 imagined would be. Yeah, there are so many 333 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,040 modalities, it's kind of hard to keep up with. 334 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,640 Yeah, really. So many, how much is out there? 335 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,600 So one of the things that I know from your bio is that you are a 336 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,360 TCVM practitioner. And I have had, you know, a 337 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:42,440 handful of TCVM practicing bets on the podcast in the past. 338 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,720 But what I'd love for you to just as kind of a reminder to 339 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:52,600 listeners, explain a little bit of what TCVM is and how, if you 340 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,520 don't mind, how it changed your practice. 341 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,520 Yeah, so I actually took a year out of, I moved from 342 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,920 Pennsylvania to Colorado in 2017 and I took a year out of 343 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,560 practice to go and get certified for acupuncture and Eastern 344 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,040 medicine. And I in order to do that, you 345 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,120 have to have over 200 hours of training. 346 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,400 And the institution that I use for my training was called IVIS, 347 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,880 the International Veterinary Acupuncture Society. 348 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,560 And they have, they hosted an acupuncture course in different 349 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,120 cities each year. And so the year that I they 350 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,200 hosted my course, it was in Kansas City. 351 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,200 And so I traveled 5 different times to Kansas City to go and 352 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,000 do this acupuncture training. And interestingly enough, so I 353 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480 had taken that time off of work because we moved across the 354 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,400 country and I wanted to get acupuncture trained. 355 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,000 And while I was doing that training, I was very sick 356 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,640 myself. And then right after I got my 357 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,120 acupuncture certification, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. 358 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:54,160 So that was what it kind of was a big thing. 359 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,480 And then, you know, I, after I had got gone through my 360 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,520 certification for acupuncture, then I was diagnosed with breast 361 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,120 cancer, went through that whole thing which takes you down for a 362 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:07,640 year. I couldn't go back to 363 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,680 conventional practice and I couldn't work for someone else. 364 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,760 So I had a friend and mentor at the time, Doctor Judy Jasik. 365 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,880 I just reached out to her because she was another holistic 366 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,080 vet in the area and she was so welcoming to me and she invited 367 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,840 me over. And so I went and saw her 368 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,840 practice and it kind of closed the gap for me. 369 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:32,160 And so I just set up my own shop and it that was 20/19. 370 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,320 It was November 2019. And then we all know what 371 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,720 happened in March of 2020. And I then was just pummeled 372 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,080 with people with COVID puppies and they didn't want to do 373 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,080 curbside. So the original clients of my 374 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,800 practice were actually pretty conventional people that just 375 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,640 didn't want to want to do curbside for their COVID dogs. 376 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,520 And so I built my practice with COVID puppies. 377 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,480 I have a big couch that they sit on for their appointment. 378 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,320 I have rugs on the floor because nobody, no dogs like to walk on 379 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,160 slippery floors. And I have really nice cozy cat 380 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,240 beds that are elevated off the floor because that makes it less 381 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,440 threatening to cats. And so it's really, it's great 382 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:17,080 when you work in a facility that most vet hospitals are not very 383 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,720 good for the veterinarians either. 384 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,880 They have no windows. They they have a bunch of 385 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,120 fluorescent lights that they're working under. 386 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000 It's just really a hard environment to work in. 387 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,440 And windows are such a huge quality of life factor. 388 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,440 I cannot practice without windows. 389 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,880 But you know, veterinarians themselves have a very high rate 390 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,400 of suicide. It's a very hard profession. 391 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,320 And so, you know, I think that one of the things we need to do 392 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,200 to break out of this sort of corporate box that's happening 393 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,800 with our industry is we need to recognize that if you build it, 394 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,080 they will come as far as holistic practices, there are a 395 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,840 lot of corporate practices that are trying to advertise 396 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,880 themselves now as holistic because they want to catch, you 397 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,080 know, get that edge of the market. 398 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,960 But people are not fooled about holistic practitioners. 399 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,360 Like you can really, if you're superficial holistic, you might 400 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,440 be fooled, but the true holistic people with their pets, they can 401 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,160 tell. And so I think, you know, what 402 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,720 we need to let veterinarians know is that you don't have to 403 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,000 have $1,000,000 of loans to start a practice. 404 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,440 If you have holistic knowledge, whatever realm that may be, you 405 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,080 can you can set it up and be successful in a small 406 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,760 environment and people will come because they know what's out 407 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,120 there now. They're not being fooled 408 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,160 anymore. It's like, OK, it started with 409 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,320 curbside service where the appointment lasted 5 minutes and 410 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,120 you paid $700.00 and your pet came out and, and never wanted 411 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:56,920 to go in the vet hospital again. And now it's and, and it's now 412 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,720 manifesting in you take your pet in for a visit and there's all 413 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,920 this pressure to get all these different vaccines and all of 414 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,560 these different preventatives. And it just seems like there's 415 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,480 no escape for pet owners to go in and pummel their dog with 416 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,680 pharmaceuticals once a year. But you can't. 417 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,520 There is a better way. And that is if they're, if 418 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,960 you're truly searching for help for your pet to find a holistic 419 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,720 practitioner, the AHVMA has a huge, a beautiful practitioner 420 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,280 website that has a list of small practitioners that some of them 421 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,240 are still corporate on the AHVMA website, but a lot of them are 422 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,600 not. And you can find people that are 423 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,960 truly trying to find help for your pet. 424 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240 And it doesn't have to be a big operation. 425 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,560 So it's hopeful for the pet owners and it's hopeful for the 426 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,720 veterinarians. Yeah, no, that's a really cool 427 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,120 way to do. I feel like that's how that's 428 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:50,960 used to do it a really long time ago. 429 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,480 Yeah. So for your training in 430 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,800 acupuncture, that was very timely. 431 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,320 Yeah. Considering that that's what 432 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,240 saved your salivary glands was acupuncture right? 433 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,400 That was really cool. And I guess I didn't really 434 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,400 answer your question. I mean, acupuncture was a 435 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320 stepping stone for me. You know, I use Eastern Chinese 436 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:22,360 medicine and everything I do to explain to my, that's how I kind 437 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,720 of explain things a lot of times is using the metaphors that are 438 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,080 set up by, you know, in ancient Chinese medicine. 439 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,080 They didn't have a lot of text, they didn't have textbooks. 440 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,720 They just passed their information down and they 441 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,120 basically explained health in using metaphors. 442 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:44,120 And it's amazing how accurate they were thousands of years 443 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:48,640 ago, you know, because now you can put Chinese medicine side by 444 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,240 side with conventional Western medicine. 445 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,920 And the parallels are so they're, they're very similar. 446 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,680 And we think we're so smart with our Rockefeller medicine that's 447 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,920 been around for 200 years, but we aren't really very smart 448 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,240 because, I mean, this is we're very new. 449 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,960 Like we're the babies with this conventional Western medicine. 450 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,760 All of these ancient practices have gone on for thousands of 451 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,480 years. So really the traditional 452 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,800 medicine is actually ancient medicine, Ayurvedic, Chinese, 453 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,800 all kinds of different modalities, chiropractic, you 454 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040 know, there's so many things that we, we can, we can lean on 455 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680 that are, are way have been around for way longer. 456 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,880 And so I do use Chinese medicine and acupuncture and everything 457 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,320 that I do, I use a lot of Chinese herbals. 458 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,440 I also use bio resonance. And so that's been a huge piece 459 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,560 of my practice that I would say the biggest movers for me as far 460 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,200 as knowledge and education have been Chinese medicine and bio 461 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,960 resonance because that has been just as impactful to me as my 462 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,280 acupuncture training. But the two kind of they 463 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000 synergize. So it's helpful. 464 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,120 They really do. I use a lot of bio resonant. 465 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920 In fact, I'm such a fan of bio resonance that I have worked 466 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,560 with Pet Medela. I'm very fond of their 467 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,040 technology because they bio resonance companies are really 468 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,040 technology company, right? Yeah, that I've worked with Pet 469 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:34,160 Medela to put out a dog specific bio resonance test that I'm 470 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280 very, very excited about launching, is getting ready to 471 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,800 launch. And I like that there are two 472 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040 different testing levels. So I think we're pretty familiar 473 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200 with a lot of the ones on the market right now that are like 474 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160 food sensitivity and environmental sensitivities, 475 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160 that kind of thing. So there is a level for that. 476 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,720 And then there's another level, broader scale scan that also 477 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,680 does hormone imbalances and nutrient deficiencies and like 478 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,840 heavy metal toxicities. And I'm really, really excited 479 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,520 for this because it's not just the finding out what we need to 480 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,040 remove, like all of the taking everything away that that a dog 481 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,160 is sensitive to, but it's also the why behind it. 482 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120 And I'm just, I love love by a resonance. 483 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,240 But you're, you're the expert here. 484 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560 So tell me tell tell the listeners what bio resonance 485 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,920 scanning is. So bio resonance basically is 486 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760 like you said, it's computer technology that it operates on 487 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,240 the principle that every cell in our bodies and in our pets 488 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,880 bodies has an electromagnetic signal. 489 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,600 And you know that signal can be measured in acupuncture. 490 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,600 You can use actually a voltmeter on an acupuncture point and you 491 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440 can measure the electrical conductivity of that point. 492 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,320 And then you can use an acupuncture needle and treat 493 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,400 that point and then you can use the voltmeter again and you can 494 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,720 see that that electromagnetic field on that point has changed. 495 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,400 And so we can, it's basically, you know, it's quantum physics. 496 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,480 It's very, it's very hard for people to that have never been 497 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560 exposed to it. It takes them a while to come 498 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,560 around because it's not something that people really 499 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,400 grasp intuitively because we have, it's something really 500 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160 outside of what we've been trained and conditioned to 501 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,280 believe is real. And so when you're working on 502 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,840 energetics, you can use that electromagnetic signal of each 503 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,760 cell to help to bring the body back into homeostasis. 504 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,520 And so basically all disease starts with this resonance. 505 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,760 So basically, you know, if you're exposed to toxins, that's 506 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000 going to change your body's voltage. 507 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440 If you're exposed to heavy metals, that's going to change 508 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,560 the voltage. And so in a negative way. 509 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,440 And so homeostasis is where every cell in the body is lined 510 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120 up and is perfect, right, Everything is happy and good. 511 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Well, homeostasis like doesn't exist in perfect form. 512 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960 All of us vacillate in and out of homeostasis. 513 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360 So we're we're always trying to get to that point where our 514 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,800 cells are happy and good and the things that are environmentally 515 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480 around us are what's pulling us away from that. 516 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,000 And so it's toxins, it's heavy metals, it's trauma, it's 517 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,280 parasites. And so when we're getting pulled 518 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,760 away from that point of homeostasis, then we're getting 519 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,240 further from health and we can measure those electromagnetic 520 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,560 changes in the voltage that's in our bodies and in our pets 521 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,160 bodies. And this computer system that's 522 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,600 a bio resonance machine is able to check and see where the 523 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200 imbalances are. And it works on the body in 524 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,920 layers. So it's going to always 525 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320 prioritize what the body is ready to work on. 526 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,520 So maybe a pet has, and this is basically the foundation of my 527 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,680 practice now is that, you know, maybe a pet has a lot of heavy 528 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,080 metals, heavy metal toxicity and maybe they also have chronic 529 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,240 infections, which I would say most every human animal has some 530 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240 degree of those. So, but how do you know where to 531 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,520 address that pet? How do you know how to start 532 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,800 with where they their needs are? Because sometimes if you address 533 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440 the wrong thing, you can have a healing crisis or herximer 534 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,800 reaction where the pet or the human actually gets sicker 535 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,480 because of the treatment that you just tried to put in place. 536 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400 I learned that myself, I have a chronic infection similar to 537 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,320 Lyme disease, which is called Bartonella. 538 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,840 And I think it was it was a big player in me developing cancer. 539 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280 And you know, when I before I had bio resonance, I was trying 540 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,400 to get treatment from a Lyme literate Dr. for the Bartonella 541 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520 and he was giving me a lot of great herbs that were super 542 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840 powerful. But I was dying with the 543 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,600 Bartonella. Like the Bartonella was dying 544 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,560 and so was I. We were both going down 545 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480 together. And so it was so strong that it 546 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,240 was killing me too. So, so the bio resonance has 547 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,400 been just a total game changer for me with that because it 548 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,600 allows my body to work on the things that it's ready to work 549 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,080 on at the right stage. And so we, we want to be able to 550 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,160 prioritize what is the body ready to work on right now? 551 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360 And then as you peel back the layers, then the body can be 552 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,040 given the opportunity. To heal. 553 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,440 So when you are working with a dog for instance, and you run a 554 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,840 bio residence scan, can you give me an idea of like what a 555 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440 typical consultation looks like? What does that process like for 556 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,080 you and the dog? Yeah. 557 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,640 So I, well, right now I'm my patients are, are in person for 558 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,520 the most part where people come in, I take some hair from their 559 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,040 pet and I do a bioenergetic scan. 560 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,280 I take a very thorough history. I do a thorough physical exam on 561 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:11,120 the pet and then I basically use the knowledge that I have from 562 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,880 all of the different hats that I wear from being a veterinarian 563 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,400 and having a naturopathic approach and integrative 564 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,840 holistic, all of these different approaches. 565 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,520 And then I use what the bioenergetic machine is telling 566 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,320 me as well. And then we come up with a plan 567 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,800 for that pet. And it usually consists of a 568 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,120 series of supplements and food and sometimes lifestyle 569 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,159 modifications. But it's, it's just kind of this 570 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,040 perfect storm of little things that we put together. 571 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,120 And then I am also doing so I have hope Healing for animals is 572 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,600 my practice and I'm just launching Hope Energetics for 573 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,360 Animals, which is a it's basically the same thing that 574 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960 I'm doing for my in person clients, except it's without a 575 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,240 client patient relationship. So it's not quite as good, but 576 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:05,720 it's my effort to try to help more pets because right now 577 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,120 there's such a need and I do have a very long waiting list. 578 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,760 So that's, you know, it's just like trying to figure out how 579 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080 can we help more pets because there's plenty of vets on every 580 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,200 corner to offer vaccinations and Apoquel and Cytopoint and 581 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,360 Librella. But there are not a lot of vets 582 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,320 that can offer supportive care with detoxing heavy metals and 583 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,680 in chronic infections and helping you with the right food 584 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120 and all of that. So I think there's that. 585 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,600 That's definitely an area where there's a lot of hope, and I 586 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,880 feel like the world is starting to realize the need and the 587 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,800 benefits of that. Yeah. 588 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,120 Is that the quest? Machine. 589 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,360 Yeah, yeah. OK. 590 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,560 Yeah, Yeah. I talked to them at a couple of 591 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,360 years ago. That looked really, really cool. 592 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,760 Yeah. I was very impressed with. 593 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,920 That I would say it's a very high learning curve because it's 594 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880 you basically build your machine to do what you want it to do 595 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,280 that basically you can any you can buy the machine, but it 596 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,360 doesn't have the the ability to do all of these things until you 597 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,920 program it. Every person that uses a quest 598 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,720 has their own snowflake as far as what that machine can do for 599 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,440 them. So. 600 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,840 It's, it's really, really cool that I know I talked to, well, I 601 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,040 talked to them and because Doctor Marlene Siegel is a big, 602 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,040 big proponent and she sent me over there to talk to them and 603 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,080 it was really, really that's I, I like it. 604 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,000 Yeah, she's another practitioner. 605 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,880 There are a handful of practitioners that are 606 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,240 veterinarians using it in the United States. 607 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,720 Not a whole lot of us, but there are some. 608 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480 So what are you seeing most in your patients? 609 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,240 Like what are the the issues that you see most? 610 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,640 I see I get a lot of the worst of the worst patients that 611 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,360 because I see a lot of patients where they've been down the 612 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640 whole down the conventional route, they've been to a whole 613 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,480 bunch of different veterinarians and they still don't have a good 614 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640 plan or something that's hopeful at least. 615 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,000 You know, I see, I see really all across the gamut. 616 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,280 So of course, everyone, you know, I think it's close to 80% 617 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,600 of dogs are itchy and that is definitely a holistic origin. 618 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,840 Like that's there's a lot of root root reasons for that 619 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,920 happening, as I'm sure you're aware to with it's basically 620 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,320 just all the things I was just talking about all the chronic 621 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120 infections, heavy metals, vaccinations, parasites, trauma. 622 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,760 And so I definitely see a lot of itchy dogs. 623 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,440 I see, you know, one of the things that I really do well 624 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080 with in my practice is behavior problems. 625 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,800 So in my practice, behavior problems are health problems and 626 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,240 I really can make a lot of difference with my patients with 627 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,080 the things that I use. It can really change the pets 628 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,680 dynamic in the household. It's really that's pretty 629 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,080 amazing. I see a lot of autoimmune 630 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,400 disease. I have some patients that have 631 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,880 been absolutely through the ringer and no one can find out 632 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,080 what's, no one can figure out what's wrong with them. 633 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,760 You know, they have a lot of lot of problems. 634 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,960 Usually I look through their record. 635 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,640 They've had tons of vaccinations. 636 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200 They've had terrible food, you know, lots of pharmaceuticals, 637 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,480 antibiotics. So we just have to peel back the 638 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,400 layers and chip away at those pets and we can really turn them 639 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880 around. It's not always easy, but you 640 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,800 can. I mean, I have so many patients 641 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800 that I don't think you would even be alive if they didn't 642 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,520 have a holistic approach to their care. 643 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,640 I see a lot of kidney disease. I see a lot of gastroenteritis. 644 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,520 I see cancer, a fair amount of cancer, although I don't treat 645 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,040 patients that are undergoing active chemotherapy. 646 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,000 So if patients are getting chemo, then I'm not the right 647 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600 bet for them. So holistically if they if the 648 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,560 pet parent is not interested in doing chemotherapy or 649 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,400 conventional practices for cancer, then I can definitely 650 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,960 help with that. You know, holistically we can do 651 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,440 a lot and I have really good success with cancer patients, 652 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,280 you know, where they live, really nice quality of life, 653 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,280 they feel good, they eat well and we can you know, we don't 654 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,680 talk that much about the cancer for not to manifest and really 655 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,760 like hone in on that because it's better if we don't. 656 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600 So we talk all about the immune system and keeping that pets 657 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,240 immune system healthy and then the pets body does the work, you 658 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,760 know their immune system does the. 659 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,280 Work. Well, the animals don't know 660 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,840 that they have cancer, right? Right. 661 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,640 They shouldn't tell them. Yeah. 662 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480 I mean, that's the benefit that they have. 663 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,120 They don't have that ruminating that we have, you know, cancer 664 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,040 is so scary. And a lot of it's because we've 665 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,680 been conditioned to think that that, you know, your statistics 666 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,840 determine what you your success rate. 667 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,600 And I would say that statistics are maybe a little bit of 668 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,680 information for you, but there are so many people that can blow 669 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,560 statistics out of the water by just optimizing their body. 670 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,200 And their pets bodies, you know? Yeah. 671 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,160 So for the average household in the in the United States, if you 672 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,160 could only suggest changing three things. 673 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,160 Yeah. To improve the pets, the pets in 674 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,240 their home, their quality of life. 675 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,640 What would those three things be? 676 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,920 Yeah. So if I were to recommend 677 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,400 changing three things, I would say feed the best food that you 678 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,080 can possibly feed, even if that's not, you know, not 679 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,240 perfect. So just try to give some eggs, 680 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,520 some, you know, if you have leftover asparagus from dinner 681 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,440 or salmon skins, you know, try to try to just feed some fresh 682 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,920 food as much as you can. Organ meats amazing. 683 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,520 So feeding fresh food would be a big one Environment. 684 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,840 Cleaning up the environment would be my second 685 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,720 recommendation, which would be like stop putting toxic 686 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,680 fertilizer on your yard because the dog is walking in that every 687 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,640 day. And also, you know, you're the 688 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,720 drinking water, make sure that that's filtered, making sure, 689 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400 you know, even the cleaning products you use in your house, 690 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,520 the air fresheners, all of that adds to their toxic burden. 691 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,520 And then my third recommendation would be to really be careful 692 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,960 with what interventions you do at the vet. 693 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,240 Be very careful with vaccinations. 694 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,160 Ask for titers. You know, don't do all of these 695 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,320 vaccinations that they're I'm recommending right now and be 696 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,120 very careful with antibiotics, pharmaceuticals like Librella, 697 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,480 Cytopoint, Apoquel, all of these things. 698 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,080 So really just have to advocate for your pet. 699 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,560 So those would be my three things. 700 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,240 I mean, there's some new vaccinations that have come out. 701 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,600 You probably are aware of the Novi vac next vaccines that are 702 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,040 on the market. They are self replicating mRNA 703 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,320 vaccines. We you know, just at the whole 704 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,240 age, I was just at the holistic vet conference a couple of weeks 705 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,640 ago and you know, we're the veterinarians are talking. 706 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,040 It's it's just pretty unbelievable that you could have 707 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,360 a product that we have never tested. 708 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,200 No, the USDA is what approves these vaccinations. 709 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400 It's not the FDA for animals, it's the USDA. 710 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400 They're in the same category as livestock. 711 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120 And so they actually approved this self replicating mRNA 712 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:17,800 vaccine for animals without ever testing whether or not that 713 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,640 vaccine could be transmitted to the humans in the household 714 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,320 living with that pet. So you, you know, we used to 715 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,320 think that the whole shedding thing of the vaccines was a 716 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,240 conspiracy theory, but in fact, it is not a conspiracy theory. 717 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,520 There are exosomes of the vaccinations that are mRNA that 718 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960 are exhaled through our breath and our saliva and are 719 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,080 transmitted to other people. And now we're not talking about 720 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040 the same vaccine that humans are getting for COVID because that's 721 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,920 just a regular mRNA vaccine. We're talking about a self 722 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,200 replicating mRNA vaccine which never turns itself off. 723 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,560 And it is integrating itself in the biology of our pets. 724 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,040 And we do not know the extent of what that effect will be on the 725 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,000 humans living in that household. So you could take your pet to 726 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,720 the vet to get them vaccinated and you could literally leave 727 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,720 with a dog that comes home and changes the immune system of 728 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,720 your entire family. And that is just absolutely 729 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,200 unbelievable that that is happening. 730 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,360 So, you know, vaccinations used to always all be in kind of this 731 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,680 category of vaccines where they're all similar in how they 732 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360 their mechanism of action is pretty similar. 733 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920 And you could talk about 1 and you would talk about all of 734 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,280 them. But now that's changing. 735 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,160 And when we're talking about a self replicating vaccination, 736 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640 we're not even in the same ballpark as regular vaccines. 737 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,320 And I think we all have to advocate for our pets and we 738 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,680 have to be aware of what's getting going into their bodies, 739 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,720 not just for their precious bodies, but for ours living with 740 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,080 them. So talking about vaccines is I 741 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,480 enjoy it, but I know it can be difficult for veterinarians to 742 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,320 talk about. I have had doctor Lori Kosher on 743 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,960 a couple of times and she told me point blank, like, I would 744 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,320 love to tell you what I really feel about it, but I can't 745 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,840 because I have this license and the veterinary board is not 746 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,680 going to let me say what I actually feel, what I want to 747 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,720 say about these vaccines. And so, you know, I don't expect 748 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,680 you to say anything that that would potentially get you in 749 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,400 trouble. But how do you handle the topic 750 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,320 of just the core vaccines with your clients? 751 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,520 Well, you know, a year ago, I think they would have canceled 752 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200 your whole podcast for talking about vaccines. 753 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,080 But now there's so much talk about vaccines that I don't 754 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,720 think that I think the cat's out of the bag. 755 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,640 And, you know, we're a little freer to talk about this stuff 756 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,880 than we were a year ago, thankfully. 757 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,560 And so, you know, I think that you want to just state the facts 758 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,880 about vaccinations. You know, vaccinations provoke 759 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,360 the immune system. They are not benign. 760 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,200 They have side effects. Unfortunately, the side effects 761 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:27,280 of vaccinations have been shoved under a Bush for since 1989 when 762 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,760 the Vaccine Act passed. So, you know, it is unreasonable 763 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,520 to expect anything to not have side effects. 764 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,560 You know, there is a risk versus benefit ratio to consider for 765 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,320 everything that we do. Walking across the street 766 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,120 carries a risk. You know, driving in a car 767 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240 carries a risk. Vaccinations absolutely carry a 768 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,480 risk and they always have. But the reason that we haven't 769 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,760 been able to, the reason that the risk hasn't been presented 770 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,000 to us is because the companies that are creating the 771 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600 vaccinations have been sheltered from litigation. 772 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,800 And so, you know, that allows them the opportunity to say this 773 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,000 is safe, you know, because they are, they can't be sued. 774 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,760 And so, but we need to recognize that there is nothing in this 775 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,280 world that's safe, Not anything. And so I give vaccinations. 776 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,280 I, I still give vaccinations. And you know, I worked in inner 777 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,040 city Dallas where we saw parvo on a regular basis. 778 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,880 And I'm truly afraid of rabies. I never want to get that. 779 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,720 And so I definitely am not an anti vaccinator, but I think 780 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,720 it's very important for us to acknowledge that these vaccines 781 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,440 last a lot longer than we give them credit for. 782 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,880 That the pets immune system is a lot stronger than we give it 783 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,000 credit for. That we can draw a blood test 784 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,040 and we can send it out to a recognized institution, Kansas 785 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,480 State Veterinary School laboratory to get a vaccine 786 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,000 titer tested is very reputable institution will tell you if 787 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,080 that pet has immunity on paper, even though they have more 788 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,520 immunity than on paper because some of it you can't measure. 789 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,840 But yeah, you know, so I think you just have to, when you're 790 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,240 talking about vaccines, you have to keep it to the facts of, you 791 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,200 know, it's not, it's not an opinion. 792 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,280 These diseases and viruses do exist and vaccines have a risk 793 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,000 versus benefit ratio to consider. 794 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,000 And there are a lot of vaccinations that are 795 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280 potentially harmful. And I do not believe that the 796 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,640 risk warrants that vaccine for a pet. 797 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,560 Yeah, that is a really good way to no, it's a, it is, it's a 798 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160 very good way to have that conversation where hopefully 799 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,760 everybody around the table can participate and understand and 800 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,400 go away with, you know, these are just the facts like you 801 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,800 said, and and make a decision. So, OK, before I let you go, 802 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640 we're going to do a quick lightning round. 803 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960 Sure. What is, in your opinion, the 804 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,280 most overrated Wellness trend? Overrated Wellness trend? 805 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,560 Might have to edit out some for me to think about the most 806 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,920 overrated Wellness trend for pet. 807 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,640 Oh I know. I think one of the most 808 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,720 overrated Wellness trends is that there are a lot of pet 809 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:40,840 foods out there that are not necessarily that great, but they 810 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160 do a really great job of marketing. 811 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,720 And so I think you just have to really know what you're looking 812 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,440 for in the ingredients. You know, I like to see organ 813 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,440 meat. I like to see not a lot of I 814 00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600 don't, I don't like to feed my patients a lot of grains or 815 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,920 legumes. But so I think that people are 816 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,520 really sold on marketing with their pet foods. 817 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,320 And I think you really still have to pay attention to the 818 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,920 ingredients because some of that stuff you're paying a lot of 819 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,080 money to feed what you think is a good food. 820 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000 And just because you're paying a lot and they have good marketing 821 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,760 doesn't mean it's actually good food. 822 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,480 That is very true. Yeah. 823 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,280 What is the most underrated low cost change that a pet parent 824 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,520 could make with a really great impact? 825 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,160 I think doing less or your pet actually saving money on your 826 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,880 vet care, I think when people get that reminder in the mail, 827 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:48,080 they feel such guilt and they want to take their pet in to get 828 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,600 all of these things done to them because it says really what 829 00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,680 everything is that that pet is due for. 830 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,000 And I think if you spend less money on the things that are on 831 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400 that postcard, you're going to have a healthier dog. 832 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,240 What is 1 supplement that you could not keep your practice 833 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,400 going without? A supplement like, you know, I 834 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,360 don't use, like I, I really don't have a supplement that I'm 835 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,160 married to because now that I'm into this bioenergetics, I 836 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,880 really don't have, it's not a one-size-fits-all approach. 837 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,800 So there's not like 1 supplement that I have like a hot sail on 838 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,280 because it's different for every pet. 839 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,640 So there's not. I really don't have one 840 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,040 supplement that I use because every pet has different needs. 841 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,480 Yeah. Sorry, that's a bad answer. 842 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,240 It's OK. No, it's fine. 843 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,360 OK. What is 1 Hill that you'll die 844 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,720 on? Oh, so I am. 845 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,720 I am very passionate about getting to the root cause. 846 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,800 The hill that I would die on is I have lots of hills like that. 847 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,160 You can just go down the road if you want. 848 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,400 Yeah, I mean, I am. Let's see. 849 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560 I think hormones are really important for pets. 850 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,200 That makes a huge difference in my patients hormone replacement. 851 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,560 I think that pets take on their owner's energy, you know, and 852 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,160 that really influences their health. 853 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,600 And I think that the hill that I would die on is probably the 854 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,440 unconventional hill, which is basically that it is possible to 855 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,480 heal in a completely different way than what we recognize is 856 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560 the way that healing is supposed to happen. 857 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440 And I've seen it over and over again. 858 00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,680 And if you are out of options and you don't believe there's 859 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,200 hope, that's just because you haven't opened the right doors, 860 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,040 you know, And so and of course we have to honor every pet and 861 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,600 every human has a time where where their time here on earth 862 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,240 is done. But there is so much hope that 863 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,320 is outside of the conventional box. 864 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,280 And we just have to find it's getting to that hope that's the 865 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040 hard part is finding the right practitioners that align with 866 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,000 you and have the modalities that your pet needs to bring them 867 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,680 back to hell. But I really, I just have a lot 868 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,640 of faith in in alternative practices for health and I've 869 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,880 seen it work in my patients. Yeah, awesome. 870 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,400 So where can people find you and learn more and follow you on 871 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,160 socials and all the things? Yeah, so I have social media, 872 00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,880 Christy Wilson, DVM and TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. 873 00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,240 I'd love some more followers. I don't have that many. 874 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,400 And also my practice, which is Hope Healing for Animals and 875 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,480 getting ready to launch the Sister, which is Hope 876 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,840 Energetics, which doesn't have a website yet, but we'll have a 877 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,480 website within the next few months. 878 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,720 And yeah, so that would be great. 879 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,520 I would love to be able to pass along the things that I know to 880 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640 help more patients. And that's really my goal in my 881 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560 practice. I can only touch one patient at 882 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,600 a time and I have a very long waiting list of people trying to 883 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,080 get in. And so my goal with creating 884 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,560 Hope Energetics and with doing these podcasts and social media 885 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,040 outreach is just to be able to share this information with more 886 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,080 people that need to hear it. That's awesome. 887 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,800 So yeah, I definitely go follow Doctor Christie and be on the 888 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,360 lookout for Hope Energetics. That sounds really incredible, 889 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,680 especially as you just said it, it takes you to program the 890 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,960 machine and how much success you've had in using it with your 891 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,480 in house clients. I think that's going to be a 892 00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,120 really incredible resource for people moving forward. 893 00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,720 Thank you so much for being here, Doctor Wilson and guys, 894 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,520 thank you for being here and for listening to this podcast yet 895 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,320 again. I can't tell you how much I 896 00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,800 appreciate you. Please give your pets some extra 897 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,880 love from me and from Doctor Christie this week and I will 898 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,440 talk to you again next week. Thank you for having me, 899 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,720 Jessica, It's been a pleasure.