1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Welcome back pet parent. Today we are talking about 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:09,400 senior dogs and this is something that is so special to 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,840 me and I found out it's very special to my guest as well. 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,239 I have always had a soft spot in my heart for senior dogs and 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,480 cats and anytime I've ever adopted an animal it has been 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,400 usually an older animal. Kim, my dog, was probably one of 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,200 the youngest animals I've ever adopted at 2 1/2. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,120 I'm just such a sucker for the seniors. 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,240 I hate so much the idea of a senior animal, any animal, but 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,160 like especially a senior animal being in a shelter or a foster 11 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:42,560 home where like it's, it's like this transition period for them. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,560 And that should not be the case, especially for an animal that's 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,600 coming up on the end of their life. 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,880 And there's so much that we can do. 15 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:55,000 I think so much of what we can do for our seniors is something 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,400 that or our thing is that we probably should be doing 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,560 throughout their life, but it just becomes so much more 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,480 apparent as they reach their senior years. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:09,320 So without any then too much for ado, my guest today is Sean Zyer 20 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:12,120 with Earth Buddy Pet. He's definitely been on the show 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,240 before, so I'm sure you're going to recognize his voice. 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,400 But Sean, thank you so much for being back with us and for 23 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,200 agreeing to talk about senior dogs today. 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,880 Thank you for having me and Amen to what you said. 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,600 I agree with all of it. Yeah, I just have. 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,640 I don't know what it is like. I love puppies. 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,480 I love kittens. They're amazing. 28 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,120 They're wonderful. They're adorable. 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,400 I want to be surrounded by them all the time. 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,560 But it's the senior animals that like, really, really have my 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,840 heart. I just maybe there's something 32 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,040 in me that's like, I don't want to be alone when I'm old, so I 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,680 don't want them to be in their old. 34 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,960 I don't know. But I also realized as I was 35 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,920 preparing for today's episode that more than half of my 36 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,760 clients are senior animals, like 10 and up. 37 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,720 In fact, a couple of dogs that I just recently onboarded are like 38 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,120 14-16, like they're, they're older and they're, they have so 39 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,360 many issues. And of course, I can't help but 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,520 think, and I don't convey this because I never want anybody to 41 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:19,280 feel bad about decisions they made in the past when you don't 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,440 know, you don't know. But like I can always say, I 43 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,840 always think like, man, we could have intervened so much earlier 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,880 in this animal's life, right? So this talk really isn't just 45 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,320 about like only if you have a senior animal. 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,400 There's so many things we can do preparing our dog to live a very 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,560 healthy, comfortable life and in their senior years, but then 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 also once they get to their senior years, there are some 49 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,360 things that we can do in addition to kind of help them, 50 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,360 help them out a little bit. So where does your love of 51 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,720 senior animals come from? Oh gosh, it's, it's very broad 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,080 and it's very, it's very close to my heart. 53 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,160 And so before I can kind of tell you the, the back story, I think 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,400 adopting a senior dog is one of the most noble, but also one of 55 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,920 the most challenging things you can do as a pet parent. 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,240 And I and I think people that have the right circumstance and 57 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,920 the right attitude and the right, you know, kind of set up 58 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:27,320 for a senior animal, it's by far one of the most rewarding and 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,560 noble things you can do as a pet parent. 60 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:33,600 That kind of leads me to like where my love of senior dogs has 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,480 always been a challenge for me because in starting Earth Buddy 62 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,200 in 2016, you know, I saw so many older pets and, and pet parents 63 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,560 kind of in a couple different situations where they're 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,160 throwing up their hands. They've tried everything, you 65 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,640 know, medically and there's only so much money. 66 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,960 You have a lot of times for these senior dogs that you start 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,440 looking for these natural alternatives and, and 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,080 modalities. And I think that's great, but 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,920 it's also really hard and there's a lot of mistakes that 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,800 you can make, which I have made myself. 71 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:15,400 And then the other side is like really just having a dog that I 72 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,880 started the company for. And Kiva and I, I talk about 73 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,800 Kiva on every interview and every podcast I could possibly 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:29,360 do because she is such a model for how well they'll teach us. 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,640 And, you know, of course I love talking about products and 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,800 stuff, but you know, they teach us about patients, They teach us 77 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:42,760 about being being kind to others and just having that ability to, 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,200 you know, work with someone who isn't quite what they used to 79 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,160 be. And they're such individuals. 80 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,840 And a lot of times things arise as they age. 81 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:58,160 And what I say all the time, kind of just from a giving them 82 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,920 product standpoint is they age much faster than us. 83 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,360 And they go through a lot of the same issues that we do, whether 84 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:11,280 it's cognitive decline or joint issues or, you know, trauma 85 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,600 that, you know, we've been holding in for so long. 86 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,040 Dogs especially and cats especially are so stoic. 87 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,360 They can hold things in for so long and then all of a sudden 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,800 they're stressed about little things and reactive to certain 89 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,840 things as they get old. So there's so much we can talk 90 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,000 about when it comes to senior dogs, specifically my love for 91 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,680 senior dogs. So I'd like to start with Kiva 92 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,680 because she was a drug resistant epileptic dog that was, you 93 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,600 know, I adopted her from a family member at 13 and she was 94 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,040 on really high doses of phenobarbital and it wasn't 95 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,720 controlling her cluster seizures and she wasn't eating also 96 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,320 because of that. And she was pretty emaciated. 97 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,840 And, you know, unfortunately the parents that I got her from 98 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:03,200 there wasn't nothing against them, but they just didn't know 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,600 any better. And they were feeding her like 100 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,280 gas station kibble and it just, you know, the quality of life 101 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:12,800 situation and me bringing her in was really about just, hey, I'm 102 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,120 in the pet industry. I've worked for pet foods. 103 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,360 I can at least give her some good food. 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,200 And I know some people in the cannabis industry and maybe we 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,440 can try that out and see if it just gives her some comfort. 106 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,640 And you know, what we found was we can make a really good treat 107 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,760 and that she'll actually eat it. And then that actually 108 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,720 stimulated her appetite further to eat more good foods. 109 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,560 And the whole process of managing her issues with that 110 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,280 allowed us to keep her around another year and a half. 111 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,800 And through that process. Holy cow, you know, you, you 112 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,640 want to throw the kitchen sink at these older dogs when they, 113 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,520 when they really start going downhill. 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,640 And you know, if I could say anything today, almost 10 years 115 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,160 later, going into earth, buddy, is go slow with these old dogs. 116 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,160 They are slow in these old pets and don't feel like just because 117 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,000 they're old, you have to do all the things you have to do all 118 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,520 the medicine, all the supplements, all the different 119 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 foods. I think it's important to note 120 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,200 that just going slow and, and really trying to see what works, 121 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,440 one thing at a time and not trying to just throw the kitchen 122 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,480 sink at them, I think is the best way to kind of handle these 123 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 older dogs. But I am such a big fan of 124 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,880 people adopting older dogs. I think they're the least 125 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,760 adopted or older dogs and cats. I don't want to limit the cats. 126 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,120 I think cats and dogs that are in their senior ages are like 127 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,360 the least adopted pets. And if people have the means and 128 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,000 the ability to do so, gosh, I hope they can. 129 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,880 I hope they can because those pets so often, you know, end up 130 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,760 passing in the, in the facilities or at the at the 131 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 places where, you know, the adoption centers and fosters. 132 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,520 That's the word I was looking for. 133 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,360 And, and it's such a tough thing because it puts strain on the 134 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,320 fosters because they don't always have the biggest funding 135 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,200 situation either. So there's a lot of parts that 136 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,160 we can connect to and I and I kind of ramble down about all of 137 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,920 them. So I'm happy and any of them 138 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,840 that you want. Well, one of the things that 139 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,360 really stood out that you just said, and I think this is 140 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:22,440 something that my dog Kim is teaching me now, she just kind 141 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,000 of hit her senior year. She just turned 11. 142 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,120 So for a smaller dog, it's like she's at that beginning stages 143 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,159 of of hitting, hitting her senior years. 144 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:39,000 She has definitely been teaching me to slow down and not throw 145 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,360 everything at her. She will absolutely not eat if I 146 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:47,120 put too much in her food. And not even, it doesn't even 147 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,840 have to be supplements. It can be like added foods like 148 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,840 adding veggies and adding mushroom broth and add, you 149 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,880 know, like all the things that I want to add to her food. 150 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,120 She's like, no, you're putting, you're putting way too much on 151 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,120 me. I don't want that. 152 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,440 Yes. Because I am really big into 153 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,040 doing as much with food as I can before supplementing. 154 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,680 I mean she does get a full spectrum hemp everyday. 155 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,160 But other than that, like as far as supplements go, it's it's 156 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,440 mostly food for for her and she just is like no, not doing. 157 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,720 She not only will not eat but then like she doesn't want to 158 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,120 eat for days and weeks after even if I take the stuff out of 159 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,720 her food. So she's definitely teaching me 160 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,680 that I think that it's like you can have the best intentions in 161 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:37,600 the world and everything that you're trying to do be like 162 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,080 normal, natural and wonderful and could be so beneficial. 163 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,440 But you have really have to take that animal that's sitting in 164 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,880 front of you into account and like go with their pace and do 165 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,440 what they're willing to do. Because I mean you, you want 166 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,960 them to eat before anything else. 167 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Like don't ruin, don't ruin the enjoyment of their food. 168 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,080 This. Is something I'm learning with 169 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,000 my dog, but with so with senior animals. 170 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,280 One of The thing is that you mentioned and and that I was 171 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,680 thinking about coming into this is they do slow down. 172 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,080 They do they they don't produce the digestive enzymes they used 173 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:19,360 to their joints can get achy. They can have that change in 174 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,480 cognitive abilities. There's a lot that could be 175 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,920 going on in a just in a normal average healthy, there wasn't 176 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,400 anything else going on. There are no other like disease 177 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,600 processes that we're concerned about, but just in the normal 178 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,800 process of aging. And then we can Add all of these 179 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,480 like a chronic illnesses on top of that, that of course, we know 180 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,920 sadly the majority of of dogs and cats are suffering with. 181 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:49,040 So what are some of the things that you like to do to maybe 182 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,280 prepare going into the senior years? 183 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,680 OK, so yeah, I, I, I kind of had a hunch that you were going to 184 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:57,640 ask me something along these lines. 185 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,640 And one of the main things that I've learned not only from my 186 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,760 own pets, but just so many of our colleagues in the veterinary 187 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,280 world is number one, first and foremost, is keeping their 188 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,320 weight down. They should be at a healthy 189 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,920 weight and they should get regular exercise. 190 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,200 That's the easiest thing we can do. 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,000 And surprise surprise, that applies to us too. 192 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:27,320 I think managing your pets weight early on is the best way 193 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,000 we can avoid a lot of these severe health issues. 194 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,640 And even if they do come about as they're getting into their 195 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,440 senior phase, it's a lot easier to manage if you don't add this 196 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,000 obesity to that animal. So if you know, whatever the 197 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,520 issue is, whether it's joint issues and more severe immune 198 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,600 issues like cancer or you know, neurological issues, whether 199 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,160 it's cognitive decline or seizures, if you add the fact 200 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,360 that they're overweight, well, now all those things get 201 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,800 exacerbated and you're, you're dealing with a really uphill 202 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,160 battle. So the first and foremost, keep 203 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,000 their weight down, get them regular exercise, try to work on 204 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,320 their calorie intake versus their expenditure. 205 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,560 And, and these are all basic things that we all know, but we 206 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,040 don't realize. And, and one thing I just want 207 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,200 to point out is, you know, one thing I noticed with, with dogs 208 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,400 that I've had for the majority of their life, you know, I've, I 209 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:31,560 adopt all my dogs too, is that they're still young and they're 210 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,200 still puppies until they aren't. And then all of a sudden it's 211 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,960 like one day, my gosh, you got old. 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,800 And, and we forget that they are aging, but they're so especially 213 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,440 if we kept him healthy. Like, you know, my, my other dog 214 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,360 that I had simultaneously with Kiva, his name was Tito. 215 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,960 He was 12 when we found out, found a lump on his thyroid. 216 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,840 And from the time I found that lump and from the time it was 217 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,920 diagnosed as cancerous, God, he aged so fast, like within like 218 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,560 six months and just everything kind of really went towards the 219 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:10,280 bad side and it was devastating. And, you know, he was a 220 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,000 relatively healthy dog. I kept his weight really good. 221 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,440 But for whatever reason, you know, just like us, it's like 222 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,680 sometimes pets get that get the lumps and bumps and and we find 223 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:25,280 these cancers and and, you know, I think it's important to at 224 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,880 minimum start with the weight. Some other things too is I think 225 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,040 it's really I'm not even talking about product yet. 226 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,320 And we can we'll get to products, but I think these are 227 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,280 like really easy things that I wish I would have done with 228 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,400 prior dogs and pets in general. That would have been so much 229 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,240 easier on my saying goodbye portion of their lives that just 230 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,000 really like still irk me today about myself. 231 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,840 But as we know there are they're such good teachers is create a 232 00:13:55,840 --> 00:14:02,960 veterinary team and diagnostic testing path that is going to 233 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,840 give you consistent info and keep you in real time. 234 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,320 Update updated status of like know what their blood levels 235 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,040 look like. Understand kind of what you know 236 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,520 you can work on as they're younger and then have that 237 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 process kind of dialed. So when you do start to see 238 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,480 things, you can retest blood and kind of know where to adjust. 239 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,920 I think when I say veterinary team, I say, you know, a lot of 240 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,080 times we have our primary care physician and then that's the 241 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,600 only time we go to the doctor. Same with our vets. 242 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:40,360 I think vets have a huge toolbox and they have a huge undertaking 243 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,720 as veterinarians and they see all different species. 244 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,320 So they have a huge undertaking in terms of specialties and what 245 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,040 they're good at. And I think finding at least 246 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,800 three or four, maybe even adding a vet tech in there that does 247 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,560 touch therapy, like massage therapy or acupuncture or some 248 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,800 of these soft tissue therapies. But having a couple different 249 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,480 options for your pets would be such a good starting point, 250 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,960 especially as they get older. So then you know, OK, we can, we 251 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,400 can ramp up cold laser or whatever The thing is, but I 252 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,920 don't have to go to the primary care person for that stuff. 253 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,480 And you can start, you know, adding in these different 254 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,400 treatments that will really help that pet kind of thrive in those 255 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,000 senior years. So I hope that kind of starts 256 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,160 where we're going. Yeah, well, you said so many, so 257 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,000 many things. Definitely building a A-Team, a 258 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,400 care team for your animal is something I talk about a lot 259 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,120 because I do. As as amazing as our 260 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,040 veterinarians are, I think we over utilize them. 261 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,520 We, we asked them to do so much more than they are trained to 262 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,040 do, than they should have to do. And that that's on us. 263 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:59,000 We as pet parents really need to step up and be the, the head of 264 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,840 our pets care team and to create that care team with multiple 265 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,120 individuals, including your, you know, indie pet store, because 266 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,960 they have some amazing that they're, they're an amazing 267 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,800 resource. They're like, they're like the 268 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,280 receptionist of the healthy pet worker groomers. 269 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,480 You're veterinarian. Maybe you have a holistic 270 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,880 veterinarian that you do telemedicine with, like they're 271 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,800 specialty veterinarians. I'm a nutritionist. 272 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,520 Maybe like there's a lot that you can fill that team with 273 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,640 depending on what your pets needs actually are. 274 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:41,440 And you also touched on something about kind of when you 275 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:47,200 were talking about it was Tito, right, how he declined so 276 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,560 quickly once you found that he had that cancerous growth on his 277 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,600 thyroid. And as sad as that is, and I'm 278 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,600 obviously sadder for you, you lived it. 279 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,520 That is one of the things that I think is so important to talk 280 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,560 about when, when we're discussing senior animals is 281 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:07,720 that we want them to have the longest possible health span or 282 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,839 they are living their lives to the fullest up until the end. 283 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,720 And then it's kind of a quick like, OK, I guess this is it 284 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,160 now. And that decline should be like 285 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,359 the absolute quickest, shortest period of their life. 286 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,560 But in reality, with so many animals, their health span is so 287 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,359 short and we just don't realize it. 288 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,640 I think, I think it's just so prevalent that we just don't 289 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,280 realize it how how much they actually suffer. 290 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,560 I, I know when I look at like, I live much like you, I'm sure 291 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:45,120 with my dog and my cats who are, I mean, my cats are 16 and they 292 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,120 have their issues. They live the first like almost 293 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,880 half of their life being raised very conventionally with kibble 294 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,760 and all of the pharmaceuticals and everything. 295 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,360 So I definitely have the effects of that that I'm dealing with 296 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,520 with my cats right now. But I feel lucky that I still 297 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,040 have them and they're relatively healthy at 16 years old. 298 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,680 But I'm looking at, you know, my dog who's like, amazingly 299 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,120 healthy to the point where we're out on walks and people will 300 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:14,280 come up and be like, how old is she? 301 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,240 And I'll be like, you know, she just turned 11. 302 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,920 They're like, no way. Like she doesn't look like it. 303 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,360 She doesn't act like it. Her energy level is amazing. 304 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,240 And so to like, hear or see from people, even like people in my 305 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,320 family, they're animals. I'm like, how, how are you not 306 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,040 noticing? I don't even live with this 307 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,720 animal. And I noticed that their their 308 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,680 quality of life is nowhere near where like I would want it to. 309 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,360 It's amazing to me. But I guess we just are kind of 310 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,960 like blind to it because it's so prevalent. 311 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,960 I think to that point, I think another thing just from my 312 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,560 standpoint is I think, you know, regular blood testing is 313 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,400 baseline. That's like a given. 314 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,840 But I think what I've really learned through so many pets 315 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,080 I've had is that there's other diagnostic testing that we can 316 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,680 do and really pinpoint kind of how to figure out their diet and 317 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,240 get kind of a better, more clear direction, which undoubtedly 318 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,160 will make you observe your dog a little bit more closely to what 319 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,760 you were just saying. I think a lot of times, you 320 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,040 know, like with Tito, I mean, he, you know, again, my 321 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,520 background is in, in pet food. So I worked for major pet food 322 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:34,040 companies and I fed him pet food and his digestion, his coat, 323 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,280 everything was always good. So I didn't have any issue with 324 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,160 it. And until I did so, you know, I 325 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,040 just assumed he was healthy. His poop was always good, his 326 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,040 coat looked great. His teeth were relatively good. 327 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,760 But I didn't do enough testing and I didn't really look under 328 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,680 the hood to see what was going on enough that I may have missed 329 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,680 something in the years leading up to finding that lung. 330 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,000 So what I can say is like. Don't just think because they 331 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,680 look good and they're they're still up for walks and they're 332 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,640 still, you know, running around like crazy and they still have 333 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,480 energy. Everything is perfect. 334 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,760 I think it's good just to have a check in with not only 335 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,480 diagnostic diagnostic testing, but also one thing I've been 336 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,720 really keen on lately is just doing a once over on their body, 337 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,600 just kind of feeling around through their joints. 338 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,600 You can, especially if you have a well behaved dog and not 339 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,320 there's not any issues with them, with you touching them, 340 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,280 especially as their owner, you can manipulate their joints and 341 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,360 kind of make sure they have full range of motion. 342 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,040 I think feeling under, you know, like under, you know, their, 343 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,160 their legs and, and kind of around the joint capsules and 344 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,040 stuff like that and kind of giving them like a free massage 345 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,720 for that and they'll love it. I think is really good because 346 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,640 sometimes you might, you might poke at something like, Oh, they 347 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,400 didn't like that. Why don't they like that? 348 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,320 And maybe it gives you insight into how they're sitting 349 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,680 regularly that you just thought that's how they sit. 350 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,840 So there's so many things that we can take upon ourselves. 351 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,560 And I, you know, I'll just mention a couple resources that 352 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,520 I like. I like innovate pet labs and for 353 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560 diagnostic testing, I like parsley pet. 354 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,120 I'm actually going to go through that here like in the next few 355 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:16,400 weeks with their testing for my, my current dog. 356 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600 But these are all things that I'm now taking the reins and 357 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,480 going, Hey, you know, my, my vet is great. 358 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,920 My veterinary team is great. I have a nutritionist, I have, I 359 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280 have touch therapy that I can work with. 360 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,000 And then I'm going to Start learning from one of the vet 361 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,320 techs. But that's all pretty expensive. 362 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800 I could take some of this on my own command and, and really 363 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,960 start to understand what I can do nutritionally for my dog now. 364 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,400 So I, I wish I had this insight with my dogs while I was 365 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,480 starting earth buddy, but I just didn't. 366 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,440 And we, we kind of just react to those things and I, and I don't 367 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,640 want people to have to do that because sometimes your pet is 368 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,640 just fine, fine, fine. And then all of a sudden you're 369 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,400 like, Oh my gosh, we got to do everything. 370 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,480 Yeah, well, I'm, I'm glad you keep bringing up diagnostic 371 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,000 testing actually, because I, I just did a real recently about 372 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,080 the four tests that I wish every dog parent would do. 373 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,880 And you said that, you know, blood tests are kind of like a 374 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,160 duh, like everybody knows that. But actually, I find that I 375 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,920 didn't realize this until I started working like one-on-one 376 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,080 with clients. It isn't. 377 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,640 It's something that nobody does. And veterinarians, most 378 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,480 veterinarians often don't even recommend doing it until there's 379 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:40,240 a problem with an animal. And so actually having a blood 380 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,960 panel done earlier on when there's nothing wrong so that 381 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,800 you know, it's a good day and your dog is healthy and you have 382 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,000 a baseline to actually be able to look back on when something 383 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,520 does go wrong. So you're like, well, you know, 384 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,360 something here is slightly elevated, but that doesn't seem 385 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,560 like a big deal. But then if you look back at the 386 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,360 baseline when the animal is healthy and it's actually like 387 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,720 jumped up considerably like then you actually know that. 388 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,120 So the, the basic blood test is definitely just that, you know, 389 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,200 full blood panel, CBC, that that kind of thing. 390 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,440 Parsley pet or you know, hair tissue mineral analysis is 391 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,600 definitely on there for me. I love that you're not only 392 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,600 getting like the nutrient absorption, but also that like 393 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,880 toxicity levels in the body. I think that both that that's 394 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,960 probably one of the most valuable things I think we can 395 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,360 do. Of course, I love innovative pet 396 00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:37,720 lab microbiome testing and omega-3 testing. 397 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,160 So many of our diet, our dogs diets, our cats diets, our 398 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,160 diets, we are deficient in Omega threes. 399 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,440 And sadly like it's not even easy to get a good quality 400 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,200 omega-3. You really have to do your 401 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,960 research on that. But that is definitely, maybe we 402 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,120 can kind of segue into some supplements because omega-3 403 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:02,880 supplementation is huge for me throughout a dog's life, you 404 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,760 know, they really, really need it as a puppy for building their 405 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,520 brain. It's still important throughout 406 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,040 their life. But then once they get into 407 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,880 their senior years, I think it's like really, really important 408 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,200 again for, you know, the anti-inflammatory properties 409 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,680 that it has throughout the body. What are some of the other 410 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,600 supplements that you really look for in supporting a senior 411 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,640 animal? Yeah, I mean, you hit the number 412 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,520 one, I think, I think from a supplementation standpoint, 413 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,160 Omega threes, EPA and DHA, that's a good starting measure, 414 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,160 I would say. And and we don't make a fish oil 415 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,760 product that's a whole different ball of wax because sourcing is 416 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080 wild in that, you know, just off the top of my head, I I really 417 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,760 like Nordic Naturals and. And I know you had a talk with 418 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,360 Jonah and, and you know, from from what I've learned from 419 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,120 people like him and other veterinarians that I've spoke 420 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,520 with, like you really want to look at high EPA and DHA. 421 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,840 And for myself too, you know, I make sure I get the highest 422 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,520 possible amount. And it seems like from what I 423 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,400 can tell, both personally and for pets, they tolerate it 424 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,280 really well at pretty high doses, especially senior dogs. 425 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,440 And a lot of times they respond really well. 426 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,360 I mean, healthy fats in general. I think another kind of 1B to 427 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,560 that would be MCT oil. MCT is a tricky topic. 428 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,360 It's medium chain triglycerides. They're 50%, they're what makes 429 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,960 up 50% of what a coconut is. And it's most of the fat sourced 430 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,000 from the coconut. And there's, there's, you know, 431 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,400 three main forms that we talk about. 432 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,600 There's capric, caprylic and lauric acid. 433 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,680 You want all three and you want to have a brand that has all 434 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,120 three showing on their label. And then obviously we mix that 435 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,200 with our CBD. So we make sure that, you know, 436 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,360 our supply of MCT has those different fat sources or 437 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,440 different medium chain triglycerides. 438 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,280 And you know, both fish oil and MCT both have tons of good study 439 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,880 data on improving cognitive function, keeping lean muscle 440 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,520 mass and, and weight down. There's you can go on and on 441 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,840 about the benefits of healthy fats and especially those two, 442 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,240 they're super absorbable too. Most pets can tolerate pretty 443 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,080 good doses, like even human suggested doses. 444 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,240 And then secondary to those, and I don't think this gets talked 445 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,640 about a lot, but I think it's starting to be a little bit more 446 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,200 of a popular topic is glutathione pathways. 447 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,920 We can address this a couple different ways. 448 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,640 And I think you can do, you know, just from a, a natural 449 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,080 food standpoint, there are carciferous vegetables that you 450 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,280 can add to your pet's diet from a whole food standpoint to 451 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520 encourage natural glutathione production. 452 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,200 And just thinking about again, pets are aging faster than us. 453 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440 And just like us, our glutathione production goes down 454 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,880 as we age. And So what glutathione is, is 455 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,680 it's the master antioxidant that our bodies make. 456 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,640 It's found in every cell in our body and it is the 457 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,920 detoxification or antioxidant that is responsible for kind of 458 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840 removing these toxins from our body. 459 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400 Same with our pets, especially if they've been, you know, a 460 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,240 long term kibble fed dog. Like there's a lot that goes 461 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,400 into the, the kibble side of things and, and I'll spare that 462 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,960 conversation today, but the reality is, is regardless if 463 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000 it's kibble or not, you know, foods are going to have toxins 464 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,360 in them. And they also don't wear shoes. 465 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960 So their feet are touching all kinds of ground. 466 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,720 There's toxins in the environment, there's toxins in 467 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,160 the air. And they are much more exposed 468 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120 to them because a lot of times they're walking barefoot outside 469 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160 in their paws. And so their paws absorb things. 470 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680 You know, if you live in an apartment complex, most 471 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,920 apartments and, and, and you know, communities that have lawn 472 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,640 care are spraying heavily with pesticides and herbicides and 473 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760 things like that. So our pets are exposed to all 474 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,800 this plus our cleaning supplies at home. 475 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,560 So that's a whole wormhole. So how do we, how do we kind of 476 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560 fight against that? And I think the best way is 477 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480 addressing the glutathione pathways. 478 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520 And so where that kind of leads me from a supplementation 479 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000 standpoint is we have a liposomal glutathione product 480 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,360 that not only provides them with a pretty good dose of an 481 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,280 encapsulated form of glutathione to incur to not only help that 482 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,120 detoxification process, but also we add amino acids that are the 483 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,920 building blocks of this glutathione antioxidant and help 484 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,880 their natural production. And primarily where glutathione 485 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,840 specifically is produced is in the liver. 486 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,200 They find the most abundant amounts of glutathione is in the 487 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,520 liver. So addressing that through the 488 00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,560 liver with these different aminos is a great way to keep 489 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,160 your pet healthy and young feeling and keep their 490 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,880 personality and keep their appetite up for for your 491 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360 circumstance. So it's like that is probably 492 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,360 the second thing I would look at is like, one, healthy shots and 493 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,240 two, addressing that glutathione pathway. 494 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400 And you could do it with Whole Foods to start if they're 495 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200 relatively healthy. But I think when things are 496 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,800 starting to really slow down, whether it's their, you know, I 497 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,000 see a lot of pets with the glossed over eyes and they're 498 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,560 relatively healthy looking, but that, those eyes, you know, I 499 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,000 think one of the vets that we, that we know talks about how 500 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,800 like the eyes are the, the pathway to the liver or, you 501 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560 know, there's a, it's a saying like that. 502 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,600 But you know, a lot of times when these pets get the glaucoma 503 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,080 or the glossed over eyes and they start losing their sight. 504 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680 And that's a good indicator of there's some liver issues. 505 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,080 So we can address these things with glutathione 506 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,840 supplementation. I know vets are now doing 507 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,680 intravenous application of glutathione, which is the most 508 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920 optimal way to get glutathione into a pet, especially older 509 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,840 pet. However, it is pretty cost 510 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400 prohibitive and it's expensive, including for us. 511 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,920 So I think finding a supplement that has a good form of it and a 512 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,960 quality form, which is what we make is really one of the best 513 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600 ways you can address that. So and I have a couple other 514 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440 supplements but I I can go on and on about glutathione. 515 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Yeah. Well, I think glutathione is 516 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,440 something that definitely under we, we don't talk about it 517 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720 enough. And maybe that's because people 518 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,320 weren't paying a whole lot of attention to it for a very long 519 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,240 time. But really quickly, I did want 520 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,120 to kind of circle back to the fact that you brought up MCT oil 521 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:48,760 because I, I get a lot of pushback on both fish oil and 522 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,120 MCT oil because so many dogs struggle with pancreatitis. 523 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,040 And MCT is actually doesn't, the body doesn't process it the same 524 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320 way. So it actually can be very 525 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,920 beneficial for dogs with pancreatitis to, to incorporate 526 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720 MCT oil into their diet for all the reasons you mentioned. 527 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,000 But it doesn't, it doesn't have that same effect. 528 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,560 Whereas, you know, these fatty oils can sometimes cause flare 529 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880 ups in a dog that has like, chronic pancreatitis, 530 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,600 pancreatitis issues. And so I wanted to kind of throw 531 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 that in because I know that's that for me at least, that's 532 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640 something I get a lot of pushback with is like, oh, but 533 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,360 my doc has pancreatitis. I can't do this. 534 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,640 I can't do that. Right? 535 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,400 And there's a lot of education that I think we could do a whole 536 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,040 episode on on pancreatitis. But yeah, the glutathione, that 537 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,840 is something that I only recently, like in the past few 538 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,920 years learned about and I did mostly learn about it for 539 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840 supporting the liver, like you said, that's where we find the 540 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,960 the like abundance of it in our bodies. 541 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,320 So that's something that you definitely want to look at for 542 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,640 supporting senior dogs. What are some of the other 543 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360 supplements? You said you had a couple other 544 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240 ones. Yeah, I think when we look at 545 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,080 older pets, there's there's kind of a couple of different ways 546 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,640 when we talk about cannabis. One, I think what I said in the 547 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760 beginning was a lot of times our pets are so stoic their whole 548 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,760 life that they might not have been reactive to something. 549 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,880 And then out of nowhere, and I as a company that makes CBD 550 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,800 products, I'll just say CBD products, but more cannabis 551 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,840 extracts. What we hear a lot of times is 552 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,000 my dog was totally fine and then out of nowhere this last July 553 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,200 4th or this last rain season, they, they freaked out and 554 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,800 something, you know, triggered them. 555 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,480 And it's like, I believe you, but I also think that that has 556 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,240 always been something that bothered them. 557 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,600 They're just so stoic at hiding it. 558 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,080 And it's so important again, to kind of be more observant of our 559 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,440 pets, especially when they're young because sometimes they 560 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760 just show that stress a little bit differently. 561 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120 But as they're older, they're like, you know what, I'm old and 562 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800 I can't hold this in anymore. That freaks me out. 563 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,360 I'm bummed out about it. So I think just a really good 564 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,720 full spectrum CBD for those dogs that all of a sudden do have, 565 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,360 you know, more visible triggers or reactivity to loud noises or 566 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,080 big booms where the doorbell, for that matter, or weird 567 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,960 relatives coming over for the holidays. 568 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,840 Think I think it's really important to consider a a full 569 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,880 spectrum CBDI. Think also just the added 570 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,040 benefit of with us adding the MCTS in there, one as a carrier 571 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,160 oil, but two, it's also just a healthy fat and CBD and cannabis 572 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,560 pairs well with fat in terms of absorbing and staying in the 573 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800 bloodstream longer. I think they pair really well 574 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,400 together and that keeps the brain healthy too. 575 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,880 So healthy fats just take all the, the, the benefits of what 576 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,560 cannabis and CBD does. I think those healthy fats are 577 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,960 going to help, you know, add more fat to their diet that 578 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080 could be healthy. And then on the pancreatitis 579 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,639 side, one thing when we hear this is like, of all the things 580 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,520 that are going to trigger the pancreatitis, if they keep going 581 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,480 into it, it's least likely going to be a cannabis product. 582 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,719 Because ideally most of our products you're only doing at 583 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,800 most per dosage about a milliliter of oil. 584 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,320 And there's not enough, you know, volume to really see how 585 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,159 that could trigger a pet back into an issue. 586 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480 So I don't see a lot of pet owners that have this issue say, 587 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,040 oh, I gave them the, the, the CBD product and then it put them 588 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840 in a, in an issue. However, I did just have a vet 589 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,880 today talk about another product that they gave to an animal or a 590 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,000 patient gave a different product to an animal and they did have 591 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,040 an issue with it. So it's not, it's not like a 592 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,880 straight line. However, I don't see it a lot 593 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,200 with our products in terms of a pet that has that concern and 594 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,240 wants to do that. And often times just from the 595 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640 inflammatory response standpoint, it could be good for 596 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,240 that animal in getting those healthy fats. 597 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,560 Like you said, it's a different pathway and they're they're 598 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,240 processed differently and more the concern with with 599 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,640 pancreatitis I see a lot of times is, you know, really low 600 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,960 quality processed animal fat is, is the basic way to say that 601 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,520 again. Now when it comes to cannabis, I 602 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,760 just want to jump back into that is not every pet just becomes 603 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,360 reactive as they get older. So I think a lot of times and 604 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,400 one thing that I noticed with older pets is they don't always 605 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,960 need a ton of CBD because it can be a bit sedative. 606 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,720 And if an older dog or cat for the most part is sleeping 16 to 607 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,120 18 hours a day, maybe that's not the right formulation of 608 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,560 cannabis that they they should be on. 609 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,720 And so one of the things that we did, you know, in in early 2020 610 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,280 was start looking at different formulations of different 611 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,840 extracts that we grow on our farm. 612 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,040 And we started looking at cannabinoids like CBG or the raw 613 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,920 extract in CBDA in that they are a little bit less sedative. 614 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040 They still will have a calming effect, but they are much less 615 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,440 sedative than I've seen with other extracts in CBD. 616 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,480 And a lot of times they act on different pathways than just 617 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,280 regular CBD, which is really exciting because there's actual 618 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,240 data on dogs and cats with these different things coming out and 619 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,960 what we can address with them. So for example, you know, as 620 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,840 dogs age, regardless if they were healthy weight or not, we 621 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,760 find that CBDA acts on the same Cox 2 inhibition that a lot of 622 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,760 anti inflammatories do. And so a totally different 623 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,720 pathway that we can act on and address from, you know, the 624 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,320 typical joint aches and pains and things like that with a CBDA 625 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,400 product and not necessarily sedate them as much. 626 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,480 So another supplement that I'm sure you want to bring up is 627 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160 Mushroom. Yes, yes. 628 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480 What fun guy? Yes. 629 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,480 Yeah, it. There's so many. 630 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,120 Yeah, and, and I, and I would just say like in first and 631 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,240 foremost, just to keep it simple from a whole food standpoint, 632 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,560 you know, fish, fish oil and Omega threes and the MC TS I 633 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,640 think are like a, just a really easy kind of whole food 634 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,160 supplement starting point. But in addition, you know, I, I 635 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,040 don't think there's like an order you can try these and you 636 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,800 don't have to do them all. I've worked my current dog into 637 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,440 pretty much addressing everything we're talking about 638 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,120 with with the supplementation, but it did take a long time and 639 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,280 it did take, you know, slow, low and slow with the amounts I used 640 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,280 in these products. So I, I just want to preface 641 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680 that with mushrooms. I think they are phenomenal 642 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,760 option for young pets even. And I think it's a great way to 643 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440 not only give them the prebiotic effect that mushrooms have on 644 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,560 the gut, but also just keep their immune system online and 645 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,320 engaged. And so if we're waiting till 646 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,440 they're young to start dosing all these different mushrooms or 647 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,880 single species products, I think we're trying to throw, you know, 648 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,440 a lot at a bigger issue. And so I have been really big 649 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,360 on, hey, if you have a younger dog that's relatively healthy, 650 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080 it doesn't hurt to start incorporating functional 651 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,840 mushroom blends into their food and really starting to engage 652 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,040 their immune system. So it can be adaptogenic or 653 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,600 meaning it doesn't always have to up regulate or down regulate. 654 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,160 And mushrooms are really functional in that sense of 655 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560 allowing the body to handle stress accordingly. 656 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,040 So whatever that stress is, whether the immune system needs 657 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,840 to be up regulated or down regulated, we can really train 658 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,440 that immune system to kind of work properly. 659 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,480 But when they're older, it's a lot harder to get that, that 660 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,840 same response as if, you know, as opposed to when we're giving 661 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,640 it to him younger. So I love functional mushrooms 662 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,520 for that. I prefer blends because I feel 663 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,480 like you're creating a like a Marvel superhero team. 664 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,400 And you know, you're, you're creating like this team of 665 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,640 different compounds. And each mushroom has its own 666 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,600 superpowers. And as Doctor Rob says, there's 667 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040 a mushroom for that. When I think about just general 668 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,440 health, I like blends just because you're creating this 669 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,480 whole entourage effect of different compounds that the 670 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,080 mushrooms can provide to really stimulate that immune function. 671 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,000 Yeah, well, in it, it can be helpful for companies to put 672 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,560 those blends together who who know like how they're going to 673 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,920 work together to create them for specific uses because we can 674 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,280 obviously learn about individual mushrooms and. 675 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,120 They all, as you said, have some sort of properties to, to help 676 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,280 support the immune system, but then certain ones also have 677 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,840 different attributes that help with like, you know, lion's mane 678 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,520 for cognitive function or I think it's, I want to say it's 679 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200 Cordyceps for inflammation. You know better than me. 680 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,600 Well. I mean, so when it comes to 681 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,240 mushrooms is like there's some that are more studied for 682 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,120 certain things. However, let's take beta glucans 683 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920 because those are the main things that good mushroom 684 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,640 companies usually measure. And so like we third party lab 685 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,320 tests are mushrooms for beta glucans because we want to show 686 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,480 you that they're actually in there because from a, you know, 687 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,280 an immune function standpoint, if a pet has lumps, bumps and 688 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,320 you know, there's a concern with, you know, possibly immune 689 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400 deficiency like cancer and things like that, beta glucans 690 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,240 have shown to kind of improve that immune function or at least 691 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,240 tolerate the traditional treatments that they would go to 692 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,240 for like chemotherapy and things like that. 693 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,080 However, there's other minor compounds that most companies 694 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,080 are not testing for and if they do, they're not sharing those. 695 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,240 So it's hard to tell what a good product is. 696 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,480 We have as of recently started testing for these. 697 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,320 But just to kind of touch on, you know, for superpowers is 698 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,200 like the beta glucan measure is, is how we, you know, just first 699 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,720 and foremost measure what a good mushroom extract looks like. 700 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,200 What we found is that Cordyceps, because you mentioned it 701 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,800 actually has the highest amount of beta glucans of the species 702 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960 that we're growing. So, you know, when we look at 703 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,840 kind of the levels that we want to achieve for a product, we 704 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,080 find that, you know, we can probably increase the amount of 705 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000 Cordyceps to increase the amount of beta glucans that we use in 706 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,440 our blend. So little things like that, that 707 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,800 are very in the weeds, I guess. But the reality is, is like 708 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,240 we've looked at every single mushroom that we incorporate, 709 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,320 but we don't just leave it to beta glucans. 710 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,360 We like to speak beyond beta glucans because yes, they have a 711 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,080 lot of the data on cancer and research, but if you start 712 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,560 getting into these other minor compound compounds and things 713 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,280 like terpenoids or you know, in cannabis, we call them terpenes, 714 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,400 but in mushrooms we call them terpenoids. 715 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,800 Things like in Rishi mushroom, there's, there's a compound 716 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,880 called ganodermic acid, which has shown to be really great for 717 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,120 histamine function and balancing that histamine response in, in 718 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200 pets especially. I think those kind of things we 719 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,840 can kind of go down the road of each mushroom and go, hey, yes, 720 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,080 they have these basic benefits that you see in marketing and 721 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,000 and studies. But then when you start breaking 722 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,040 apart all these different compounds in each mushroom, it 723 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,920 becomes so fun for me because I'm like, well, they kind of 724 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,320 address a lot of different things. 725 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,080 And that's why you see in so many herbal remedies and, and 726 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,440 different, you know, traditional Chinese medicine, they use Rishi 727 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640 mushroom in so many different things. 728 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,320 Because what we know right now is I think Rishi mushroom has 729 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,400 800 LB pounds just in one mushroom that they found. 730 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,920 And like, it's probably still counting. 731 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,440 So each mushroom is going to continue to evolve in what we 732 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480 understand about it. And I think that's the beauty of 733 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,840 having a blend is like, hey, we're going to throw this blend 734 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,360 that we've come up with just based on the research, but also 735 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,600 just all these individual compounds that we know are in 736 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,160 there and can say, hey, this is just going to really balance 737 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480 your pets immune function, their histamine response and allow 738 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,640 them to tolerate those kind of age-related issues that they 739 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,680 encounter as they become senior seniors a little bit better. 740 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,040 And so just as a baseline, I think it's so important that we 741 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,280 incorporate mushrooms into our pets diet and just from like a 742 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,240 digestive standpoint, I think we can get a lot of benefit on. 743 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,960 Them Yeah. Well, and I wanted to also bring 744 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,840 up, and this is, I mean, it is anecdotal, but I think we know 745 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,840 this of, of lion's mane because in talking about senior dogs, we 746 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,440 have throughout this whole episode talked about cognitive 747 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,680 health and cognitive decline. And someone I think we both 748 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,280 know, I'm pretty sure we both know her, she has senior dogs 749 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,560 and one of them this year was suffering very, very badly with 750 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,360 sundowners and to the point where she was like, it's been 751 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,520 weeks and I'm, I haven't slept and what am I? 752 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,280 So she was doing all the things and ended up finding somebody 753 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,360 local in her farmers market growing lion's mane. 754 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,760 And she has been making a lion's mane tea and then taking the 755 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,320 actual mushroom and incorporating that into the 756 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,480 diet. So she's doing the tea and then 757 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,320 using them as a functional food as well and has seen huge 758 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,880 improvements in the sundowners. And so the cognitive benefits of 759 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,960 of something like a lion's mane is I just think is especially 760 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,760 important for our senior dog. No, I, I love lion's mane. 761 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,640 I think a couple things to lion's mane superpowers is, you 762 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,720 know, we, we always kind of look to the cognitive benefits of 763 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,000 Lion's mane and you know, most of the data is around the 764 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,600 mycelial extracts and the erinacines and there's a couple 765 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,480 other compounds in the mycelium that they find most abundant. 766 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,200 So you know, the fruit body is obviously really great, but I 767 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040 think there's like 2 parts of mushrooms. 768 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080 There's the actual mushroom fruiting body and then there's 769 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200 the mycelia, which is like the roots of a plant. 770 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,880 They both have different compounds from 1:00 to the 771 00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,760 other. And that's what we're really 772 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,960 starting to find. And one thing I found with 773 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,080 lion's mane is that it also has a significant calming effect. 774 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,280 And also, you know, probably more importantly is it has a 775 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,480 real positive benefit on digestive health. 776 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,160 And I think just to, you know, again, anecdotally, but like 777 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,160 just hearing that story, it's like maybe they're calming the 778 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,800 digestive issues down too, calming that pet's tummy. 779 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,960 And then they're able to get more restful sleep and kind of 780 00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,640 just relax. Yeah. 781 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,400 Oh, I, I think, you know, that's, that's great. 782 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,000 And I like, you know, experimenting with single 783 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,560 species, I'm just more of like a, a dosage person and I want to 784 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,400 know like exactly how much of the stuff I'm getting. 785 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,160 And so I love using, you know, teas or even cooking mushrooms. 786 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,360 But whatever way you can get it in I'm I'm a big fan of. 787 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,080 And then, you know, to the sundowners thing, you know, one 788 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,280 thing I think, you know, a combination of the different 789 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,800 supplements we've talked about and I didn't mention was, you 790 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,200 know, a lot of elderly people and pets, when they start having 791 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,600 that sundowners, it's hard to get restful sleep. 792 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,880 And then they're kind of out of it the next day. 793 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480 And this cycle compounds over time. 794 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,720 And one thing that we did was we created a kind of jumping back 795 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,440 into cannabis was ACBN product, which a lot of people are using 796 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,760 for sleep. And you know, The funny thing 797 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,480 is, is like there's not a lot of data to show that it helps with 798 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440 sleep. However, we get some of the best 799 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120 responses with these with these elderly pets. 800 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,760 So I think a combo of maybe her lion's mane and incorporating 801 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,400 that CBN can really at night time get that pet to rest and 802 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,240 start calming down and relaxing and then actually have like a 803 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,040 sleep cycle that makes sense to the circadian rhythm. 804 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,720 Yeah, I think they're there's so much. 805 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,360 And again, you know, I can I say this all the time on the 806 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,800 podcast, it's putting out this kind of generalized information 807 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,320 when when we sit down with an individual animal, like we can 808 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,480 be so much more specific and get more like detailed into like 809 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,480 this supplement that supplement this, you know, what, what we 810 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,440 want for an individual animal based on their own needs. 811 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,160 Of course, you know, this wasn't the time or place to talk about 812 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,880 nutrition because we talk about that so much that it's like. 813 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,800 But I did want to also just mention to anybody listening who 814 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,360 happens to be also used utilizing pharmaceuticals that 815 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,640 like there's no shame and that I know that a lot of times we we 816 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,520 need to resort to whatever we have available to us to get the 817 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,080 best out of our dog or cat that we can. 818 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,040 Hopefully when we do that, we're shooting for something short 819 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,760 term to get us through. But one of the things that I did 820 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,160 want to mention a pharmaceutical that has become very, very 821 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:11,440 popular lately in the veterinary community that I did a by the 822 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,440 time this podcast comes out, I did a solo episode on this that 823 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,080 I really want you guys to go back and listen to because there 824 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,640 was way too much to talk about here is Labrela for dogs and 825 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,760 Silencia for cats. And it is specifically designed, 826 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,640 I think most often is being used in senior animals because it's 827 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,480 being marketed for arthritis and, and you know, joint pain 828 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840 and arthritic pain. And there's so much more that 829 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,360 Sean has already talked about that we can be doing to support 830 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,240 our pets through whatever issues they're having with that kind of 831 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,840 joint pain or arthritis creeping up. 832 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,080 That the negative effects that we're seeing in dogs and cats 833 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,240 that are getting Labrela and Silencia are so dramatic that 834 00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,480 more often than not, it actually leads to, you know, early 835 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,240 euthanasia because it's, it's so bad. 836 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,360 And that's never like I feel myself tearing up because that's 837 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,840 never something that we want to see in an animal when it could 838 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,880 have been prevented. And very sadly, so many 839 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,640 veterinarians just don't make the connection because they're 840 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,400 being told by their pharmaceutical reps that they're 841 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280 promising that this this drug has absolutely no side effects. 842 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,920 And that's just the sad state of the world we live in. 843 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,720 So I wanted to kind of throw that in and say, please go back 844 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,360 and listen to that episode if you haven't because it directly 845 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040 effects a lot of senior pets and I don't know if you've done any 846 00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560 research into that particular pharmaceutical. 847 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,880 Yeah, I and and and I've seen kind of the news coming out 848 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,200 about it and it's really, it's really, it sucks. 849 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,880 I don't know enough about it and I haven't looked at kind of the 850 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,800 pathways and I haven't talked to enough that's on both the 851 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,560 holistic and traditional side. But you know, just kind of 852 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,440 seconding what you said about just drugs in general is I'm not 853 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,480 anti pharmaceuticals. I think our medicine pathway is, 854 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680 is great. And the way they create drugs, 855 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,680 you know, a lot of times they work the side effects. 856 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,160 That's a different conversation like you said. 857 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,760 But one thing I will say is, you know, another common thing is I 858 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,520 see with allergies specifically, I see Cytopoint, Napaquil being 859 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,520 prescribed pretty regularly. Now, I know that there are some 860 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000 side effects and there's some horrendous stories out there 861 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,280 when you Google it. However, if you have a pet 862 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,480 that's hurting themselves, like literally mutilating themselves, 863 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,480 scratching to death, you know, ripping skin off, that kind of 864 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,800 thing, I understand why pet parents make those decisions. 865 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,000 However, what I'll say is cannabis and mushrooms are super 866 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,600 pharmacodynamic is what I call them. 867 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,480 And one thing I really like about mushrooms, specifically 868 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,240 with an allergy pet, is if you are taking an immunosuppressant, 869 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,240 having a pet that's on a mushroom product may help 870 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,880 encourage your immune system to stay online a little bit better. 871 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,160 Because so often we see them have to go or resort to these 872 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,280 drugs and their immune system just basically shuts off, 873 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,800 leaving them exposed to all kinds of different issues. 874 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,280 So sometimes incorporating both these natural alternatives with 875 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,360 some of these pharmaceuticals might be the best case and might 876 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,160 allow them to maybe wean off that pharmaceutical long term. 877 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,160 So I, I don't think they're a replacement for the, the 878 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,560 pharmaceutical because sometimes it just has to be incorporated. 879 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,360 But I, I think there's a huge opportunity in a lot of cases 880 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,920 that we can incorporate some of these natural remedies and not 881 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,640 have to use them and not rely on the pharmaceutical as much. 882 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,000 So I don't like saying, hey, use this instead of that. 883 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,400 That's not what I'm trying to say. 884 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400 I think there's just a, a benefit to looking at more of an 885 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,360 integrative approach for both modalities and, and I think 886 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,840 that's a healthier way. But I haven't looked into the to 887 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,160 the pharmaceutical that you speak of as much, but I do, I do 888 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,920 see that the side effects are becoming more prevalent in the 889 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,600 news and and pet pet owners are not happy. 890 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,240 I don't want to, I don't want to just sit here and say, Hey, 891 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,880 there's like a million other things you can do. 892 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,520 But a lot of times there are other ways that we can address 893 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,320 it beforehand before you even get to that point where this is 894 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960 the only option. And that's what I what I hate to 895 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,840 see, especially with like some of those pharmaceuticals I 896 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,600 mentioned. Yeah, well, most of my clients 897 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,880 are have been on Epoquel and or Cytopoint and it I totally 898 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,080 agree. I tell every single one of them 899 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,960 that if you need to use it short term then that's what we need to 900 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,760 do. The goal is not to use it long 901 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,760 term because I, I there I have a meeting with a new client 902 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,480 scheduled in just a couple of days. 903 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,080 And both of her dogs have been on Apoquel for most of their 904 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080 lives. And now they both have cancer, 905 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,360 different cancers. And it's just, it's devastating 906 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,480 because it could, it could have been prevented, but we're we 907 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,960 have to, when we use pharmaceuticals to cover up and 908 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,360 mask the symptoms, we also at the same time have to address 909 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,920 the root cause of why those symptoms were happening in the 910 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,400 first place. Yeah. 911 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,800 And and exactly to your point, I think this is where the the 912 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,040 biggest, you know, lever that we can pull is nutrition. 913 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,680 But if they are on that thing for an extended period of time, 914 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,160 that drug for an extended period of time, they're not even 915 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,640 getting the full benefits of their nutrition and even it's 916 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,040 the best food ever and it's the perfect diet for them. 917 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,720 This is where supplements might be a good option to kind of 918 00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,120 incorporate that might kind of push them over the hump of maybe 919 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,360 absorbing nutrients better or keeping their immune system 920 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,480 online a little bit better. So I I think this is the one 921 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,040 case where I'm like, hey, that is like a great opportunity to 922 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,800 incorporate a supplement that might actually help that that 923 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,280 pharmaceutical or that pet owner not rely on that pharmaceutical 924 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,320 as much or ultimately be able to wean off eventually. 925 00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,160 Because living in a pharmaceutical just to be alive 926 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,120 is not optimal. And that's really what, you 927 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,400 know, the kind of what we talked about today is optimizing, you 928 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,400 know, your pet's life from, you know, you said health span. 929 00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,680 I want to optimize a pet's life from the beginning to the end. 930 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,080 So. Yeah. 931 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,880 Well, and to take that and kind of go back, you said you know 932 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,360 these and they do a lot of pharmaceuticals do inhibit 933 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120 especially long term use, inhibit a lot of different 934 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,600 nutrient absorptions. So circling back around to the 935 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,040 beginning, talking about the hair tissue mineral analysis, 936 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,880 testing, letting us know if there are issues with nutrient 937 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,240 absorption, if there are, whether it's a too little or too 938 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,360 much of certain nutrients, they both that in both cases can 939 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,920 cause big problems depending on what what that vitamin or 940 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,960 mineral is. And so for senior dogs, 941 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,360 basically using diagnostics to the, you know, the best of their 942 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,520 abilities to get us the information they want and trying 943 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,440 to go back through exercise, keeping them lean, keeping them 944 00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,200 at a healthy weight of nutrition, of course, being 945 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,600 very, very important and then targeted supplementation. 946 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,480 So what did we talk about? We talked about omegas, we 947 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,040 talked about cannabis, we talked about mushrooms, glutathione. 948 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,480 Did I miss anything? No, those were the top one that 949 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,840 we addressed. And and I think just again, just 950 00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,040 adding to, you know, your knowledge is like our vets say 951 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,280 test, don't guess. That's first and foremost. 952 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,280 But I think even before we start testing, we can assess, don't 953 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,600 guess, you know, don't assume that your dog is healthy because 954 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,480 they look, act and feel or, or or you know, are moving around 955 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,440 healthy. We can assess a little bit more 956 00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,280 before we have to go to those testing measures. 957 00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,240 Yes. And so just to what you said 958 00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:19,120 earlier about doing those all over body checks, actually been 959 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,520 really bad about that lately. I used to do that with my dog 960 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,400 every single night because she sits right next to me on the 961 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,720 couch when we're, you know, watching TV, getting ready to go 962 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,000 to bed. And I haven't had a whole lot of 963 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,560 TV time lately, I'm so busy. And I think that's maybe why. 964 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,600 But yeah, just, I literally will just kind of do a once over 965 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,480 pretty much all over her body. And that really just that alone 966 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,400 can give us so much information. It's like, oh, that lump wasn't 967 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,800 there before or that lump has grown. 968 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,040 Maybe I need to get it checked out. 969 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,920 You know, just different things like that and some sensitive 970 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,600 spots. I mean, there's so much that we 971 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,040 could talk about, right? Acupuncture, acupressure, 972 00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,760 massage, T touch, Reiki, like all of the things that we could, 973 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,200 we could talk about and that can be beneficial for different 974 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,880 animals. So yeah, the senior animals are 975 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,880 so special and I appreciate you coming on and talking about 976 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320 them. Yeah, I appreciate you having me 977 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,800 and and we can talk about so many different things. 978 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160 I mean, it's it's sometimes can be overwhelming just like any 979 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,360 subject that that you speak about. 980 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,920 But I think, you know, just having that ability to observe 981 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,960 and possibly journal and and take notes with your pet, I 982 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,320 think is a really simple way in freeway honestly, of just, you 983 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,720 know, touching them. And we all know how to massage 984 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,320 muscles. We all know how to kind of rub 985 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,440 them down and you know, the places they like. 986 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,360 I think that's a great starting point. 987 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,480 And just being more in touch with your dog, other than just 988 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,960 the day-to-day functions, is just a healthy way to, you know, 989 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,440 improve their quality of life. Awesome, so Earth buddy does 990 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,720 provide CBD mushrooms and glutathione and I will put the 991 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,280 link in the show notes. But we're what's the it's Earth 992 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,160 buddy pet. Yeah, Buddy pet.com at Earth 993 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,400 Buddy Pet Online and all the socials and we regularly put out 994 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,960 different kinds of guides and different content in our blog 995 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,880 just kind of addressing everything we talked about and, 996 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,840 you know, assessing how to, you know, look at a supplement for 997 00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360 them and, and how to use it. So we try to provide as much 998 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,160 information that is actionable and, and you know, realistic to 999 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,800 a pet owner's life. So happy to help there. 1000 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,440 Anybody can reach out to us. They'll usually get a response 1001 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240 pretty quick when it comes to, you know, specific, 1002 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:44,680 individualized situations. I love that and I appreciate all 1003 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,240 of your knowledge and your time today. 1004 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,160 Guys, check out Earth Buddy Pet. Thank you so much for your time 1005 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,320 today, Sean. And yeah, you guys give your 1006 00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,600 pets some extra love from both me and Sean today. 1007 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,480 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.