1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,880 Welcome back pet parents. If you remember back to earlier 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,480 this year, I had Doctor Katie Kangas on for Dental Health 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,200 Month, which was back in February and we did a whole 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,800 episode on our pets dental health, which was so 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,480 informative. I'm still like, she's one of my 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,320 favorite people in the whole world now because she does such 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,960 a good job relating this information to like the average 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,960 person like me. And one of the things that she 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:32,840 introduced us to, I started using with my dog and I have 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,280 been trying to figure out ways to incorporate it in my cat's 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,680 life as well. It's a product called Teeth now 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 teeth there, that's the animal side of it. 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,640 There's also a human side of it. And on today's episode I have 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,240 Emily Stein with us, who is the Co founder and CEO of Primal. 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,480 What is it? Tell me what it is. 16 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,480 It's primal something technology, Primal health, 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,240 Primal health, which is the parent company for teeth, teeth 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,320 and then the human. We'll, we'll get all of this 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,440 information from her. But I have actually noticed a 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:11,280 huge difference in my dog's oral health, which was what I was 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,840 going for, because she does not like to chew on things. 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,000 She especially raw meaty bones. They have to be very, very, 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,160 she's very particular about anything she chews on. 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,800 She is a Princess in that regard. 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,920 And I have tried so many things. I was really so happy when 26 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,560 Doctor Kangas introduced me to this. 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,200 So really quick before we get into it, if you are new here, if 28 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,560 this is the first time that you are hearing me, my name is 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,320 Jessica. I am a canine nutritionist, a 30 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:43,120 pet health coach and the host of the podcast you're listening to 31 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:44,600 right now, the Pet Parenting Reset. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,640 And on this podcast, we talk about all things health and 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,440 quality of life for your pets. So the idea is that when we know 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,280 better, we can do better. So Emily, thank you so much for 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,240 being here with us today. How are you doing? 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,240 It's. My pleasure. 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,880 I'm doing quite well, thank you. So teef is just the animal 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,960 branch, which is why that's kind of my thing. 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,199 We talk all about animals. You gave me some of the samples 40 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,760 at Super Zoo for the tabs for humans to use after you eat. 41 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,400 And they are, they're yummy. Like they're pepperminti, 42 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,840 they're yummy. I love them. 43 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,320 So we'll, we'll talk a little bit about that too. 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,760 But can you tell us a little bit about how you got into this, how 45 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,040 you have become so like ingrained in dental health for 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,520 pets and people? Yeah, yeah. 47 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,760 No, it was definitely not my chosen career move. 48 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,520 I was a microbiology nerd for the longest time, and then 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,800 autoimmune disease runs in my family, so I wanted to pursue a 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,080 career in in rheumatology research. 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,920 And my grandmother who had rheumatoid arthritis actually 52 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:57,520 had a stroke one day from a tooth extraction the day before. 53 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:03,720 So it turns out that, yeah, they've done analysis now and 54 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,760 Medicaid populations, Medicare, we're talking 50 to 60,000 55 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,000 Americans each study. And it's showing that if we get 56 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,440 a tooth pulled or a dental implant placed, there's a 50% 57 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,440 increased risk of a heart attack or a stroke that that increased 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,800 risk lasts for four weeks after the procedure and doesn't 59 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,040 normalize back to 0 baseline until six months after. 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,520 And, and what we know is that, OK, something bad is going on in 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,200 that mouth if you have to get a tooth fold or a dental implant 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,840 placed. And those microbes, it turns 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,640 out, are a driving force for causing cavities and gum 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,400 disease. And they don't just stay in the 65 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 mouth. And so when you pull a tooth, 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 they can go inside and cause problems as well. 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,280 And dogs can have strokes if they get a tooth extracted. 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,840 I've met with several pet parents that that that's 69 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,560 happened to. Long story short, I biohacked my 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,320 grandma, came up with a naturally safe approach that was 71 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,040 not toxic because microbes can design around antibiotics and 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,440 antiseptics all day long. But we're speaking the language 73 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,400 that they understand, which is nutrition, and we're trying to 74 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,680 repopulate the mouth with a diverse repertoire of microbes 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,600 that keep each other in check. And the way we're able to do 76 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,280 that is literally by cutting off their carbon source, sugar, 77 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,680 carbohydrate, and then telling them to go keto just in the 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,800 mouth, not not anywhere else. A couple years after grandma, I 79 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,400 rescued a 10 year old Cocker spaniel and she almost died of a 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,200 bloodstream infection from tooth problems. 81 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:43,960 So within the 1st 36 hours after 2 to 36 to 48 hours after I got 82 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,800 her, we were in the emergency department extracting 21 teeth, 83 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,920 pumping her body full of antibiotics to save her life, 84 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,360 $6000 on my credit card. That was a really rough weekend 85 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,760 and it just highlights the the pervasive. 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,080 Problem that is so interesting and the only things like I just 87 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,800 kept thinking about as you were talking were all the times 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,920 especially with my cats at it's like I did correlate that OK, 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,720 they just got their teeth cleaned. 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,800 Especially in my elderly cats, I just got their teeth cleaned and 91 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,840 30 days later, now I'm dealing with another problem that's 92 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:23,960 like, wait, what happened? They were perfectly fine. 93 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,320 Their blood work was great 30 days ago when they went in for 94 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,440 this teeth cleaning. And now I'm dealing with IBD or 95 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,800 I'm dealing with cancer or I'm dealing with like there's so 96 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:39,000 much that I mean, me personally, I'm sure everybody out there 97 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,760 listening is like, Oh my gosh, yes. 98 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Like I've dealt with this too. And it doesn't. 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,360 I mean, it makes sense because everything in the body is 100 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,800 connected. Yeah. 101 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:56,320 Even though a lot of traditional doctors may not work that way. 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,760 We have a lot of specialists, especially in human medicine, 103 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,200 where, like, one part doesn't want to talk to the other part 104 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,920 for some reason. It's like, no, you weren't 105 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,800 together. I know, I know, I like, I talk 106 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,680 to Dennis all the time. And they're like, wait, what? 107 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Because when someone has a stroke, they don't go back to 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,120 their dentist, right? They go to the emergency 109 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,160 department and then see a cardiologist. 110 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,240 And so it's only now that the payers like Medicaid, Medicare 111 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,680 insurance providers are forcing this oral systemic discussion 112 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,640 and dialogue is because the data is there. 113 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,760 It's been there for 30 to 40 years and we need to pay 114 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,040 attention to it. And I've literally right before 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,480 I got on this podcast, I'm writing up a NIH grant because 116 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,520 we're working on the the certain microbes that inhabit the mouths 117 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,400 of dogs, cats and humans that are linked to head and neck and 118 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,320 colon cancer. Oh, wow. 119 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,160 Yeah. Wow, well and I so 3. 120 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Has it been three years, three years ago switched to a holistic 121 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,040 or some people call them biological dentist and it has 122 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,880 made for me a big difference in I've always had fear of the 123 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,080 dentist. I still do to some degree, like 124 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:14,080 I, I can't, I can have my teeth cleaned now and I'm OK. 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,440 But if I have to have any like work done, because I've had a 126 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,200 ton of dental work done as a child and I've had braces twice 127 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800 in my life and all the things like so much. 128 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,600 And so if I actually have to have work done, I have to have 129 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,280 Valium. I have to, they're they're 130 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,240 giving me gas on top of that, like I can't, I have a hard 131 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,800 time, but I I'm having an easier time. 132 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,640 I have found with my holistic dentist, I think in the way that 133 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,360 he approaches things and the fact that I just feel more 134 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 comfortable, even though I still don't like needles and all of 135 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,840 that. He uses ozone in the water for 136 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,840 when we, you know, rinse and do all like there, there are so 137 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,520 many different practices that he, he evaluated all of my 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,640 fillings to make sure I didn't need to have any of them 139 00:07:55,640 --> 00:08:00,840 replaced with, you know, if they were whatever the junky fillings 140 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,840 are it. And I did also when I was in my 141 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,560 late 20s, have a root canal, which interestingly, we had a 142 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,120 cavity filled and literally the week after I'm like screaming in 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,400 pain and I'm calling the dentist like what is going on? 144 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,920 They're like, this is completely unrelated. 145 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,480 And I'm like, no, I don't believe that it's unrelated. 146 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,520 No, what we now know is inside every single tooth, it has its 147 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,520 own distinct microbiome. And it can be a good one to keep 148 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,400 the tooth healthy, but it can also be a bad one that causes 149 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,760 cavities. And when they dig into the tooth 150 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,720 and drill, they can't get all the lateral canals inside. 151 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,040 So if it's a bad community causing problems, they can't get 152 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,000 to all those microbes. They try the best they can and 153 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:51,960 dig, dig it out and then they feel it. 154 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,800 But it's nearly impossible to to get them all out. 155 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,280 And so that's why our philosophy is to really just grow your 156 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,600 inherent good. Yeah. 157 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,240 So what can you tell me a little bit about, since we're so like 158 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,720 we're talking so much about human stuff, let's start with 159 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,880 the human product. I imagine they're pretty 160 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,920 similar, but can you tell me a little bit about the human 161 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,000 product and then we'll talk about? 162 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,680 The pet product, yeah, the human products built for my well, it 163 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:21,560 was built for my grandmother. So we originally put the 164 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,120 ingredients in a lozenge because she couldn't brush her teeth 165 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,400 because her rheumatoid was so bad she couldn't hold a 166 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,080 toothbrush anymore. And she had so green syndrome, 167 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,000 so her body killed all of her salivary glands. 168 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,280 So her mouth was a hot mess and she had perio. 169 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:41,640 And because rheumatoid arthritis and perio are actually quite 170 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,360 linked. And, and so we, you know, I, 171 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,000 when I biohacked my grandmother, just taking a step back, like I 172 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,240 grabbed her biofoam, holtered it up and bought every single 173 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,880 naturally safe ingredient I could find on the market, did 174 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,120 high throughput screening. It's come up with a naturally 175 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,160 safe combination of ingredients that would block per microbes 176 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,520 from causing problems and a lot that actually had a lot to do 177 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,640 with carbohydrate then eating carbohydrate. 178 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,600 So when people eat certain diets, we skew for microbes that 179 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,760 can eat that diet because we don't eat our food. 180 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,840 The microbes in US eat the food and they secrete the waste 181 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,600 products that we actually eat. And so it turned out grandma 182 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,440 liked her sweets. She'd go to the bakery and all 183 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,320 this stuff, and then her microbes reflected that. 184 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,440 And So what works for her, Turns out it works quite well for most 185 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,640 human beings. And then sadly, dogs and cats, 186 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,800 because more and more carbohydrates are being used as 187 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,760 cheap fillers in treats and chews and feed and it's causing, 188 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,040 it's growing the same problematic microbes that are 189 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,080 driving the disease process or, or downstream disease processes. 190 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,640 So, so our approach was literally, hey, let's put these 191 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,360 active ingredients that puts the oral microbes on a keto diet in 192 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 a lozenge so that grandma can just suck on it after she, she 193 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,080 eats something or drinks her coffee with a little bit of 194 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,720 sugar and milk in it, right. And that worked, that worked 195 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,920 quite well. And we've done numerous clinical 196 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:21,080 studies in humans, both in memory care, older independently 197 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,920 living adults, kiddos with orthodontic appliances and now 198 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,560 just we're doing a study right now and a big swath of a 199 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,240 population between 18 and 80 years old. 200 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:41,240 So showing that this approach has long term benefits not just 201 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,280 within the mouth, but perhaps beyond the mouth. 202 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,880 Beyond the mouth is something I want to talk about later on, 203 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,120 actually. So for let me go back to my dog 204 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,320 Kim. Sure she's going to be 11 this 205 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,480 year and actually next month she's going to be 11. 206 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,800 It's an arbitrary birthday, but that is what it is. 207 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,680 I always celebrate her birthday on Halloween. 208 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,440 So she'll be 11 and she has never. 209 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,280 I adopted her when she was 2 1/2. 210 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,920 She has been raw fed ever since. Now that she's getting older, 211 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,600 sometimes she'll go through bouts for like she wants her 212 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,600 food cooked so still is a gently cooked food. 213 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,600 But she has never ever, ever and I have tried for years. 214 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,920 She doesn't like to chew on things, which is not typical of 215 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,640 a dog. Like most dogs, it's just innate 216 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,880 for them to chew on things. And I have tried so many things 217 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,800 and gosh, I would love for her too, but she just doesn't. 218 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,160 So when I had her last check up in March of this year, because 219 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,800 she gets every six months, I, I have a full check. 220 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,680 I mean, she's getting into her senior years. 221 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,280 I have a full check up blood panel, heartworm test. 222 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,000 All the things, not all the things we don't over vaccinate, 223 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,720 just FY. But the vet was like, you know, 224 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,960 her gums still look good, but she's got build up on her teeth 225 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,440 and it's starting to look kind of gnarly. 226 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,880 And I, I like, I'm just going to be honest. 227 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,720 I am that busy pet parent like everybody else who is not good 228 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,960 at brushing their dog's teeth. And when I do, it's something 229 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,680 natural like a coconut oil and I might add some like natural like 230 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:16,080 essential oils or something to it. 231 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,600 And the teeth. I feel she's going to have 232 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,840 another check up in October, but I can already see difference 233 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,040 just in adding this to her water. 234 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,240 So what exactly what it's called the teeth product. 235 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,560 I was looking on the website, it's called protecting what 236 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,200 exactly? So it's these you're blocking 237 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,680 bacteria from eating the carbohydrates to fuel them. 238 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,080 Can you like? That's what how I understand it, 239 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,960 but I just want to be. Sure, I understand it. 240 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,400 Yeah, Yeah. So I'll channel the way microbes 241 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,480 think just a minute. So that might help. 242 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Related to dental. So microbes always make a home. 243 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,000 It's called human medicine. We call it biofilm. 244 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,440 But in microbiology, it's just it. 245 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,240 We call it biofilm too, but it's more just their home. 246 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,480 But they make their, you know, either they use bricks or they 247 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,920 use on wood. And so in the mouth they're 248 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,200 using sugar. And when they build up that 249 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,640 sugar, it's actually a pretty protective barrier and Shields 250 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,480 them from digestive enzyme, Shields them from being cleaned 251 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:27,280 out and rinsed away by saliva. It's very protective and it's 252 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:33,880 super charged, and that is hard for things that are commonly 253 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,440 found in dental products for dogs and cats to even penetrate. 254 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,840 So you're just wasting a lot of money when you're buying a lot 255 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,080 of dental products on the market. 256 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,040 What we're doing is actually changing what they're eating so 257 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,320 they're not able to use that sugar in a diet and convert it 258 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,280 into the house material that's super durable, like a brick 259 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,400 house. Instead, it's a thinner, more 260 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,960 fragile environment that can be cleaned away with the wipe of a 261 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,360 finger over time. But importantly, what they make 262 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,400 their their house out of is no longer something that causes 263 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,040 inflammation, demineralization, decay, and and gum disease. 264 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,520 Instead, it's more neutral and it doesn't cause dental 265 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,680 problems. And so because we want, we know 266 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,920 from years and years of work in rheumatology that if you, if you 267 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,560 kill the microbes in the mouth, you're going to wind up with big 268 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,800 problems. And you're going to if, if you 269 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,280 kill if like a lot of the products on the market for 270 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,040 dental contain these very powerful antiseptics which kill 271 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,720 very good bacteria and they ingest it, right. 272 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,920 And so then it's screwing up their gut microbiomes too. 273 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,720 And that's why we're also, it's contributing to allergies and 274 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,040 problems downstream. And so our approach is really, 275 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,880 hey, let's work with the microbes, let's just change what 276 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,240 they're eating so that they're not causing disease associated 277 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,880 problems. They're in fact at least neutral 278 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,080 or beneficial. And so that's the whole goal. 279 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,320 And we found that over a ton of years of research is that 280 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,040 putting them on a keto diet in the mouth is a really good. 281 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:22,920 Thing so OK, I get the biofilm thing because it can be very 282 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,680 difficult to penetrate, which is why my dentist uses ozonated 283 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,680 water because that can kind of penetrate the penetrate the. 284 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,560 First couple layers and then the ozone gets turned into oxygen. 285 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:44,120 So when we think about how it could possibly be affecting 286 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,960 other parts of the body because they're ingesting it, they're 287 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,640 drinking it, we know what it's doing in the mouth. 288 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,560 You mentioned you're kind of studying benefits and maybe the 289 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:57,520 digestive system as well. Could it still be doing the same 290 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,240 thing? Because I know with a lot of 291 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,079 dogs that I work with that have very severe food sensitivities, 292 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:11,240 they have a lot of GI issues. It is difficult. 293 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,319 Like everybody wants, there's always trends and always fads, 294 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,319 right? Everybody wants to go to fecal 295 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,960 transplant capsules and all. And I'm like, doesn't work. 296 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,920 But if, yeah, if that biofilm in the gut isn't like it's not 297 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,640 going to penetrate that. We've got to be able to so, so 298 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,120 many people find that it doesn't work. 299 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,280 Not that that therapy itself isn't beneficial, it, it 300 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,360 definitely is. But we've got to get the gut to 301 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:36,560 a place that can accept it. Yeah. 302 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,080 And. And just to like to interrupt a 303 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,320 little bit is like we've been doing fecal transplant in humans 304 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,720 way longer than companion animals, except for the 305 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,440 experimental animal dog group, which let's not even go there. 306 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Like it doesn't except for C diff, it doesn't work for IBD, 307 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,120 it doesn't work for IBS, it doesn't work for Crohn's. 308 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,400 And that's because we cannot eradicate our own seed. 309 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,520 We have somewhere in us what we were born with that gets fixed 310 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,760 humans by the age of three, dogs much earlier in their life. 311 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:14,080 And then we kind of, it kind of changes baseline exposures to 312 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,720 stress drugs, antibiotics, antiseptics. 313 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,000 But like, you can eat you, you can take a fecal transplant, but 314 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,440 then your own seed will grow back. 315 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,400 Yeah. And so that's how powerful your 316 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,760 own microbial fingerprint is. And so that's why we've only 317 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,440 ever, we're not introducing microbes into the equation. 318 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,960 We're working with a dog's own microbes or a cat's own microbes 319 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,840 and just trying to get them to be a little bit better. 320 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,080 Interesting. So one question I do have, and 321 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,760 this can kind of segue us into the new treat line for dogs and 322 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:56,040 cats that that teeth just came out with was as I was prepping 323 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,000 for this interview, I was thinking lot because I've been a 324 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,240 cat mom a lot longer than I've been a dog mom and I have been 325 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,680 through so much more with my cat. 326 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,840 I like I've been through a good amount with my dogs in my 327 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,320 lifetime, but I feel like I've been through it was much more 328 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,280 with my cats and it is different. 329 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:19,960 Like they're not the type of animals that are just naturally 330 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,000 gravitated to drinking a whole lot of water. 331 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,480 They need their moisture in their diet for sure. 332 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,600 And so while cats that do drink whatever they do drink this, you 333 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,400 know, the powder in the water absolutely can be beneficial. 334 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:39,280 But what I was wondering is if I were to take like a Mason jar 335 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,520 and put my filtered water into it and add my teeth to it and 336 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,720 then pour that each day into say their wet food or their raw 337 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,920 food, is it going to have the same benefit? 338 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,040 Yeah, yeah, because the way cats eat, it's a little bit different 339 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,560 than dogs. Cats will coggle, but their 340 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,640 tongues have these little hairs on them, and those appendages 341 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,120 actually increase the surface area significantly. 342 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:10,120 And then if they're curved? I don't, I can't like for that 343 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,640 much, but if that's the back and that's the front and so behind 344 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:15,800 there is actually saliva and microbes. 345 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,040 Well, microbes are coating the entire tongue, but like and 346 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,520 like, so every little, like every little bite will 347 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,480 definitely help. In our studies we're at, we've 348 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,640 done where we're adding it to wet food or to the lick pads 349 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,000 with like the furball stuff or you name it. 350 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,840 You can even put the powder in your hand. 351 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,320 I've seen kittens lick it right out of my hand. 352 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,760 So there's those things. Anytime you can coat the tongue, 353 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,440 that's a great way to start to distribute it and get it in the 354 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,160 saliva and get it working. OK, so I think that could be a 355 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,840 good tip for people because I, I was putting it in my cat's water 356 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,720 and they're not drinking it. And I'm like, even though they 357 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,000 don't really drink water, I always have water available for 358 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,880 them. And I'm like, I'm just wasting 359 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,400 this, right? Yeah. 360 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,760 So I was, I was like, how else can I get this in them? 361 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,000 Yeah. We have some customers that fill 362 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,720 a syringe, just give them a give them a dose. 363 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,640 We're working on a fast dissolve tablet that you can just put in 364 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,400 their cheek and it just dissolves. 365 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,400 We are working on stuff. It's just in a gel but just 366 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,760 takes time to roll these things out. 367 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,600 Yeah. So tell me a little bit about 368 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,760 these treats that you're coming out with or. 369 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,120 Have to, yeah. So the treats, again, are built 370 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,840 solely focused on keeping those microbes trained on that keto 371 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,920 diet because honestly, cats should never come into contact 372 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,800 with carbohydrates, right? And dogs definitely shouldn't 373 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,960 really either. Maybe chewed up grasses and 374 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,040 green things because they've historically eaten rabbits and 375 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,480 things like that that process greens. 376 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,880 But the microbes that we're seeing in the mouths of dogs and 377 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,560 cats these days are very, very, very similar, nearly identical 378 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,800 to the human signature. So they really are becoming 379 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,520 omnivores. But their guts, their whole 380 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,600 Physiology is not built for that. 381 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,560 But their microbiomes, which are the unspoken organ system in 382 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,160 their body, has already changed. And so there's this disconnect. 383 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,040 And So what we're trying to do with the treats, because cats 384 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,880 and small dogs don't drink a lot of water, the water is the 385 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,360 easiest way, easiest vehicle for us to get this diet program 386 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,880 going. And the thought was originally 387 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,800 a, we'll just put in their water, they'll drink throughout 388 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,920 the day, and then the micros will be trained throughout that 389 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,280 day so they don't go off keto. Well, it turns out it's not that 390 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,000 easy. Dogs and cats this, you know, 391 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,320 are more difficult and every, everyone is different and what 392 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,240 how much water they take in every day. 393 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,600 And so we've had to come up with a different approach. 394 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,720 And it's been very long time in the making of finding the right 395 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:09,000 animal proteins and A and we're freeze drying them. 396 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,920 So they go from raw frozen immediately into a freeze dried 397 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320 modality coated with our teeth powder. 398 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,680 And then the only preservative on board is a little bit of 399 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,600 vitamin E, and so it's as clean as you can get and it keeps 400 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,400 those microbes on that keto dive. 401 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,040 It is so interesting and I think doable for people. 402 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,440 Yeah, doable, because everybody likes to get give treats to 403 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,280 their pets, right? Eventually we're going to come 404 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,520 out with toppers too. That's the next phase. 405 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,880 Oh nice that that would be great. 406 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:47,480 So feel like I overheard Dr. Katie Kangas talking to somebody 407 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:54,160 at Super Zoo about their dog and they were she had so they this 408 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,040 dog, I'm not going to get too much into detail about this dog, 409 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:02,320 but boy, it is a French bulldog. So we can imagine, we can 410 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,160 imagine and, and the person who owns this dog, by the way, has 411 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,480 done wonders with this dog. But, and I think this year 412 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,480 especially, so many pet parents have noticed the seasonal 413 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,600 allergies are like off the charts. 414 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,760 Don't know what that's about. But for whatever reason, this 415 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,800 year that's kind of been the trend. 416 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,760 And so this dog was like itching, licking paws again, 417 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,160 It's like, no, because you know, you work so hard to get to a 418 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,080 point where the the dog is good. And I feel like Doctor Kangas 419 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:38,960 was like, add teeth. And from July to August, I feel 420 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,200 like I overheard that the dog was doing better. 421 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,240 Yeah. I mean this. 422 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,040 Is something we've now been pulled into particularly the 423 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,840 French Bulldogs, you know because they don't get birth in 424 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,960 a natural way. And so they inherit they get 425 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,080 inoculated with the microbiome of the environment that they're 426 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,240 birthed into not their mom's microbiome as much. 427 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,680 And then the way that the the face is structured, they have a 428 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,280 lot of post nasal drip. And so they get a lot of sinus 429 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,160 funk in their mouth and they have a lot of dental problems 430 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,560 and then they swallow. So we all swallow microbes every 431 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,320 day dogs, cats, humans, for instance, beyond on average we 432 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,000 swallow about 3 * 10 to the 10th. 433 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,600 I mean not billions into microbes every day, right? 434 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,840 That that has an influence downstream. 435 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,760 And if you don't have enough good beneficial microbes, guess 436 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,840 what hurts the most Believe it or not, it's actually your mast 437 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,360 cells. And so mast cells are the ones 438 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,240 responsible for allergy and asthma. 439 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,000 And if we don't have enough beneficial microbes, it turns 440 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240 out that our mast cells are super hyperactive. 441 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,480 And if we have harmful inflammatory microbes, they keep 442 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,680 on poking the bear. And So what we've been finding 443 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,520 is that by treating dogs mouths and then spraying the same water 444 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,960 on their hot spots that the hot spots go down. 445 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,720 But if we, you know, if you just inundate the dogs with the teeth 446 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840 during that allergy season, because on the East Coast it's a 447 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,520 different time frame than the West Coast for some reason that 448 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,080 we can really take down that inflammation. 449 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:24,280 Just so interesting and the idea that you can use like a a spray 450 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,640 bottle for the hot spots, that's incredible. 451 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,440 Yeah, a lot of the microbes on the skin are sugar lovers, so by 452 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,640 putting them on the keto diet, they'll just start to ratchet up 453 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,040 the diversity, and then that quiets down the immune response. 454 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,560 Wow. So there are three different 455 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,400 products on the website. There's a dog, a cat, and then 456 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,200 one that's for all pets, yes. Can you tell me the difference 457 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,160 in? Those Yeah. 458 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,440 So all pets is really all pets with like kidney disease because 459 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,480 dogs and cats can have kidney disease. 460 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,760 That's what we call it K + K, OK, protecting 42. 461 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,360 Protecting 42 was our original formula. 462 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,640 That's the one we've identified in high throughput screening and 463 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,120 validation clinical studies that works the best in dog. 464 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,360 It's almost identical to humans, but we made a couple of key 465 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,800 tweaks which make it super fast acting because literally there 466 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,520 is very little difference in the mouth of a older dog with 467 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,120 advanced gum disease and in Alzheimer's patient in memory 468 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,360 care. Wow. 469 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:40,760 And a small dog that's maybe 7 or 8 years old, small dogs have 470 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,280 big problems. So, so protective 42 was the 471 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,800 original formula that highly concentrated. 472 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,240 It's only pure human grade high active, which is why you don't 473 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,720 need a lot. You just need a little because 474 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120 you're just dosing the mouth and it's very concentrated. 475 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,240 The K version, we're missing the bicarbonate, which is really 476 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,280 good at balancing the microbial acids immediately. 477 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,800 But we found that a lot of dogs and cats with tummy issues don't 478 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,400 like bicarb for some reason. Plus it doesn't have any sodium, 479 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,720 which is sodium bicarbonate. So that people very careful 480 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,960 about like what their dogs and cats take, You know, that extra 481 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,800 2% sodium is nominal, but there's still a healthy fear of, 482 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,680 of, of it. So we just ripped it out of the 483 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,960 formula and that's what the all pet is. 484 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,200 And then the protecting 30 is the optimized version for cats. 485 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:45,440 And we've done now years of work in almost 200 cats of all kinds 486 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:50,520 of breeds, socioeconomic status in diets in disease states. 487 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,480 And we found that boy, they need a little bit extra help. 488 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,840 And so P30 Protectant 30 is built specifically tailored to 489 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:03,680 address the needs that cats have because their microbiomes are a 490 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,320 little bit different and they have a lot more fungal problems 491 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,880 then then we. Recognize OK that's interesting 492 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:19,040 yeah that is very interesting so if somebody just say had both 493 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,600 dogs and cats in the house and. All pets. 494 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Easy. Do that all pet and you're good 495 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,600 probably. Yeah, Yep, definitely if they 496 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:33,680 have a cat with stomatitis or aggressive kidney disease that 497 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,120 keep the protectant 30 cat version is something to put 498 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,840 think about putting on their cat food. 499 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,920 I mean, my dog drinks the cat version in his water. 500 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,760 You know, once in a while I switch him on to the cat version 501 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,440 because the the binding agent we have is the cell wall of a green 502 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,720 allergy called chlorella. And that is a great antioxidant 503 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,960 and binding agent for a lot of these neurotoxins that the 504 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800 fungus is making in their mouths, which can cause 505 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,800 downstream kidney problems, liver issues and stuff like. 506 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,360 That very, very interesting. I can see how this could be 507 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,080 something that obviously you're introduced to, like somebody 508 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,400 like me is introduced to for dental health, but it really 509 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,880 does have so many other benefits in the body. 510 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,400 Yeah, our case study data is pretty profound, like we're 511 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:34,680 seeing downstream benefit and urinary and gut and skin. 512 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,800 So it does seem the mouth really does seem to be at the gateway 513 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,760 to the body. Yeah, well, I'm definitely going 514 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,800 to start adding it in a little bit of water to my cat's food. 515 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,240 I have, I'm down down to three kitties. 516 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,480 I don't know it will anybody out there that knows me, that's 517 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000 listening. I the most I've ever had indoors 518 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,920 was 12, which is crazy, I know. And I'm down to three, which is 519 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,520 very, very sad, but also like, I'm tired. 520 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,520 And that's horrible to say. But literally since the day I 521 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,280 turned 18 and moved out, I have always had at least one cat. 522 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,560 And I'm just, I'm tired. And I think I feel like they're 523 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,600 tired. They're all 16. 524 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,280 And they're like various things happening and going on. 525 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,440 And as I was talking about earlier, one of my cats in 526 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,920 February of this year had just a routine dental cleaning, like no 527 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,240 extractions, just a routine dental cleaning for being at the 528 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,600 time he was 15 years old. Literally the next month I'm 529 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,840 calling the vet going, I need to have blood work redone because 530 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,040 he has lost 3 lbs in a month. Like what is going on? 531 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,600 And they diagnosed him. You know, I took him for an 532 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,360 ultrasound, diagnosed him with IBD, which isn't really a 533 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,400 diagnosis, but, you know, that's what veterinarians do. 534 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,240 And I'm just like, how did this happen? 535 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,360 One month? But you know, we're messing 536 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,760 around in the mouth and obviously things happen. 537 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Yeah, I mean, the amount of microbes we swallow and it's 538 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,560 fake news that we were always taught that the stomach acids 539 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,840 kill everything. That's not true. 540 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,520 They get through, they're alive and they are having an impact. 541 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,560 And so if this is becoming unhealthy, there will be a 542 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,200 downstream unhealthiness, particularly when you put an 543 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:41,880 animal under, you go through a transient stress response, which 544 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,920 means that they're kind of immunocompromised. 545 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,800 And then boom, one of those microbes can really, we call it 546 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,320 bloom, bloom in the GI tract and take over and really go towards 547 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,040 a dysbiotic environment, which means the harmful ones take 548 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120 over, the healthy ones are really suppressed. 549 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,400 And so then you see health problems. 550 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,760 Well, and that's one of the reasons why I'm liking more and 551 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,640 more the more you describe this. It is changing. 552 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Changing what those microbes are eating instead of trying to 553 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440 change the microbes. Yeah. 554 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,680 I and I talked to so many other people that do what I do because 555 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,200 I actually do like one-on-one consults with with pet parents 556 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,160 for their pets. And it is it's never a hill, the 557 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,520 bad quote UN quote bad bacteria. It's like that doesn't ever 558 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,640 work. It never were anybody going in 559 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,600 trying to do that. It never works like you have to 560 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,760 crowd them out with more beneficial bacteria. 561 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,800 But in this case, it just seems so much more seems like a more 562 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:57,520 holistic approach to and personalized, yeah, to yes, to 563 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,240 working with the individual and what they have going on in their 564 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,600 body instead of trying to force change. 565 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,960 Because I think that's how especially today, like in in 566 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,800 like our Western culture, we're just like change it, change it, 567 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,880 change it. And we're trying to force things 568 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,239 to happen. And it's like that just doesn't 569 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,159 that doesn't always. Work the language that microbes 570 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,480 speak quite well and have for the beginning of life on Earth 571 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,239 is taking in certain nutrient sources, deriving energy from it 572 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,520 and secreting waste products, you know, and so that's the 573 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,239 language we're working with. And it's just us examining what 574 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,239 cats and dogs are being fed these days. 575 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:47,199 And you can have the best raw diet, you think, but there will 576 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,159 be residual sugars always you can't I mean sugars and bone 577 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:57,080 marrow sugar gets calculated is something else in muscle, but 578 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,240 you can still be derived from muscle tissue. 579 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,480 It's just not reported that way. But it's, it's like microbes are 580 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,480 really good at figuring out how to how to eat. 581 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,960 And so we're literally speaking their language by what we're 582 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,640 doing. And we're not killing, we are 583 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,840 just causing. Nutrient pressure, so 584 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520 interesting and definitely something I'm going to use a lot 585 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,800 more, not just with my pets, but with my clients pets because 586 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,720 first, first of all, how can you go wrong, right? 587 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,880 Yeah, I mean the adverse event, it's like, OK, maybe you might 588 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,080 have more frequent urination for a day as you start shedding the 589 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,840 downstream, the harmful microbes and yeast from your general 590 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,600 urinary tractor. OK, maybe you had to had a loose 591 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,560 stool event maybe once after three days, but then everything 592 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,520 is fine. You know what we find is there 593 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,240 is a shedding event. So lacrimal secretions clear up 594 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:59,400 a little bit over time. Some animals might you know, 595 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,440 because the sinuses are really close to the mouth and the 596 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840 microbes Burrow through the palate and go into the sinuses. 597 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,280 So that gets cleaned up a little bit. 598 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,120 Downstream is cleaning up the gut microbiome definitely re 599 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,760 diversifies and improves in general urinary. 600 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,200 So there is this whole shift that occurs and some microbes 601 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,000 don't like to go easy. Yeah. 602 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,720 So you might find on the human side, you're craving sugar more 603 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,760 because the microbes are telling you that they're starving of 604 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,520 sugar and then they're telling you that, hey, I need to get fed 605 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,440 and I'm craving, I'm craving this piece of pie or this ice 606 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,040 cream, right for a reason. And then on the animal side, 607 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,240 transient aggression, we've heard, or transient hunger, more 608 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:50,080 hunger or drinking more water. But that's, you know, that's 609 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,720 the, that's the only thing we've heard about. 610 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:55,120 But that's where you actually realize how we're the puppets 611 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,920 and they're the puppeteers. Yeah. 612 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,720 So on the human side, what is your recommendation if people do 613 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,320 get like a sweet tooth after using the product? 614 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,280 Yeah, just chase it with another lozenge or we now came out with 615 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,240 the human version of our water additive or pet. 616 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:16,200 So you could just add it and you're drinking water and just 617 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,840 sip on it throughout the day. Oh interesting, I might have to 618 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,400 do that because I'm definitely AI drink a ton of water every 619 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,280 day. That's my it's. 620 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,360 So important. Water is so good. 621 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,680 Oh my gosh. More cats drink water, They'd be 622 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,200 so much better off. They would. 623 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,320 I know you're right. I mean, we can cut it with like 624 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,000 goat smell or bone broth or you can cut it with that if that 625 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,880 helps. But there's some cats that just 626 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,680 refuse to drink water, yeah. I think a lot, a lot of cat. 627 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,920 I actually knew somebody a long time ago that like gave her cat. 628 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,200 She was a vet tech, so she gave her cat fluids at home and got 629 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,120 to the point where she just didn't even put a water bowl 630 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,760 down anymore. And I'm like but still like. 631 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,040 I know. The guilt. 632 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,840 The guilt. I don't think I could do that. 633 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,280 I know. I don't think I could just pick 634 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,800 up the water bowl and be like, Oh well, no water. 635 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,240 I know. But I mean, if your pet is not 636 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,440 drinking water, don't don't necessarily waste your money on 637 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,080 teeth adding it to water. Try other mechanisms methods of 638 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,840 getting it in like in the summer months on dogs. 639 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,360 On this dog side of the equation, we like you can make 640 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:37,040 ice with teeth water or I talked about the syringe. 641 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,280 A lot of people, some people who actually do brush their pet's 642 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,600 teeth and can just put the powder on a wetted the bristles 643 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,440 on a toothbrush and start brushing right away. 644 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,720 That's you can do that too. Or, you know, just any way to 645 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:55,280 get it in their mouths once a day at least is is going to be a 646 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,880 good thing. So freeze resistant, is it? 647 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,240 It's hot like heat resistant too, is it? 648 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:03,720 Yeah. You can't boil it for more than 649 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:09,040 like 20 minutes and then you'll kill the the the vitamin on 650 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,560 board, but which is doing a lot of that a go keto side of the 651 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,120 equation because that's the essential cofactor required for 652 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,360 the enzymes that bacteria use to breakdown protein. 653 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,200 But but it can tolerate a lot. Oh good. 654 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,720 That's good to know. Because I know people do like, 655 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,720 especially with our dogs, a lot of enrichment. 656 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:33,400 And I could see somebody like adding it into like if they're 657 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,440 going to do freeze, freeze molds of something or. 658 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,880 They can do that. Tongs or you know, whatever 659 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,280 they're doing and just absolutely sprinkle it in and. 660 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,880 Yeah, you can even put a tiny bit of peanut butter on a lick 661 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,200 pad and then sprinkle the powder on top of that or something like 662 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,320 that. It's a good way to get it really 663 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,480 administered to the tongue. Interesting. 664 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,800 Well, I think this is an absolutely incredible product, 665 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,360 both for humans and for pets, and I definitely encourage 666 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,320 people to check it out. So it is, what is it? 667 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,120 Teeth? health.com. 668 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:13,320 Yeah, we call it. Teeth for teeth for life because 669 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,560 the goal is to keep every tooth in the in the mouth of an animal 670 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800 for their lifetime. Because if you lose a tooth, you 671 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,920 lose lifespan. So our, our real true goal is to 672 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,760 love them longer. That's so sweet. 673 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,440 I I love that. And where can people find the 674 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,000 human product? From our company website, you 675 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,400 can just go to primalhealthllc.com. 676 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,360 We're rebranding it. It's going to be called Bio 677 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:40,320 Neva, so stay tuned. Yeah, it's so hard to name 678 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,440 products these days on the human dental side because everything 679 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560 is like taken. So I think that took us six 680 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,440 months. Wow, yeah, I appreciate, I mean, 681 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000 obviously I appreciate it for pets, but I appreciate it for 682 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,760 the the human product as well. Because like I said, I've just 683 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,600 had, I mean, ever since I was a kid, like I literally my 684 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,200 childhood, most of, like so many of my childhood memories are 685 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,200 sitting in a dentist office. And Donald, trauma is real. 686 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,240 Yeah, yeah, for sure. I remember being that kid that, 687 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,240 you know, the, the dental text hated because I always refused 688 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,400 fluoride. And I'm like, no, you're not 689 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,960 putting that in my mouth. And so like, I, you know, going 690 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,080 to the same dentist forever growing up came to like an 691 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,960 agreement that I only did it every so often. 692 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,200 But now I look back and I'm like, thank goodness. 693 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,760 Like fluoride is so bad for a. Fire accumulates, Yep. 694 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,080 But what I can tell you is that customers definitely come back 695 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,440 to us after they've been on our product for like 6 solid months 696 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960 to a year. They're like, hey, I was in and 697 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,920 out of my hygiene chair and 15 to 20 minutes and I Genesis 698 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,240 like, what are you doing differently? 699 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,760 You know, so if microbes make a home that is not built out of 700 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,680 sugar, you won't have as much black and you won't have as 701 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,800 much. I love that. 702 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,240 Who wants to be in a dental chair? 703 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:10,200 Like nobody, nobody, nobody. Yeah, so I am definitely going 704 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,400 to after because I just found out that there was a human 705 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,720 product at Super Zoo. So of all places, I know I'm 706 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,560 definitely going to onboard it because I mean, I, I, I noticed 707 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,720 with changes that I have made in my adult life, like things do go 708 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:31,280 easy, especially at my holistic dentist, things do go easier for 709 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,760 me now that I have made a lot of adjustments in my diet and, and 710 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,760 things. But I just want to do everything 711 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,320 I can to like not be in the dentist office. 712 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,760 So this is definitely something I'm going to, yeah. 713 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,360 I mean. It's definitely not cheap, 714 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,440 right? Yeah, yeah. 715 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120 Delaying those lot of those big costs are important. 716 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,040 Yeah. So are there also social pages 717 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,000 to follow? Where? 718 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,760 Where? Yeah. 719 00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:01,280 So you can Google Teeth for Life and you'll see us or Teeth, you 720 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,600 might pull up a rock band. I guess in Germany and I, we 721 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,800 didn't realize it translates to bitch in Dutch, but I guess it's 722 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,320 kind of appropriate to being an animal company. 723 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,440 But yeah, Teeth, you'll find us. We're on Amazon, we're on Chewy, 724 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,120 and we're also on our own website. 725 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,160 Awesome guys check out teeth. Thank you so much for your time 726 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,200 and your knowledge, your wisdom, all of the things you have done 727 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,720 Emily, and for your grandmother for sending you down this pile. 728 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:34,160 Yeah, Grandma kind of along. She, she would never imagine 729 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,000 where we are now. I mean, we are treating seal sea 730 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,880 lions with gingivitis. Her product that I, you know, 731 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,600 built for her has been up in the International Space Station. 732 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,040 Oh wow. Military mouths like dementia 733 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,160 patients. Yeah. 734 00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,160 Kiddos with orthodontic appliances. 735 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,640 She's really helping a lot of people. 736 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,360 That's amazing and I love I love knowing that story as well. 737 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000 But thank you so much for everything that you do and for 738 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,640 providing this product for pets and people. 739 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,920 And guys, go check it out. Thank you again, Emily. 740 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,840 Thank you so much. Thank you so much for listening 741 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,320 to today's episode. 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