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Welcome back pet parent. 
I have a confession to make 

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because I am always talking to 
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recommend a dry food for our 
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And recently was at an event at 
Super Zoo in Las Vegas this year

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and I got to hear my guest today
speak and she had to go up to 

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her at the end of the event and 
just be like, my gosh, you have 

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totally in this moment changed 
my mind and I need to talk to 

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you more. 
So I brought her on today to 

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talk to you a little bit more 
about a food that is air dried, 

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that does not contain any 
synthetics. 

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And so it pretty much meets all 
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for a food that I would 
recommend for you, for your 

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pets. 
And it also has that convenience

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factor that a lot of the foods I
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necessarily have. 
So I'm really excited to 

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introduce you today to Maria 
Ringo of Carnifor. 

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And you may have heard of this 
food, though it is something you

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have to go to a specialty store,
an Indy pet store to find 

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generally here in the US. 
So we're going to talk to Maria 

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today. 
I'm going to introduce have her 

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introduce herself in just a 
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But if this happens to be the 
first time that you are 

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listening to me that you just 
found this podcast, welcome. 

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My name is Jessica. 
I'm a canine nutritionist and 

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holistic pet health coach. 
And on this podcast, the Pet 

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Parenting Reset, we talk about 
all things holistic health and 

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nutrition for your dogs and cats
because when we know better, we 

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can do better. 
So thank you so much for being 

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here with me. 
Maria, how are you doing today? 

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Thanks for. 
Having me it's it's nice to see 

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you since Vegas seems like a 
long time ago now. 

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I know. 
And it wasn't even a month. 

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I mean, at the time we're 
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been a month. 
But it does seem like ages ago. 

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It was so much fun this year and
so much more exhausting than it 

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has been in past year. 
Yep, very busy show for 

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everybody that I know. 
I think we were saying people 

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are back from COVID. 
You know, I've been doing these 

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shows for probably almost 40 
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lot over these 40 years. 
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years, it's been just so. 
And now everybody's back and 

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they all want to talk and I love
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Yes, everybody is back and I did
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people including you. 
And I'm really excited for us to

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chat today and me to bring this 
information. 

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Well, really you to bring this 
information to the listeners and

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the viewers because we do put 
this on YouTube as well. 

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And I would just really like to 
start off because you have such 

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an incredible history in pet 
food starting back in the 80s 

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when the only other person I 
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this doing this in the 80s was 
Doctor Billinghurst on the other

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side of the world in Australia. 
So can you just give us a brief 

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like synopsis of this hat you 
blazed and the pet food 

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industry? 
It's one of those tests. 

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I can't believe I actually 
walked it. 

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And then I look back and I go, 
Oh my gosh, it's been that long.

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So you're right. 
In the 80s, I was in my 20s and 

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I, I got a new dog and there was
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I was working in food Co-op. 
I was eating beans and rice and 

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wanting to be clean and healthy 
and I worked out and I wasn't 

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about to feed one of the major 
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It was just Sarbanes when I read
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So a friend of mine very 
knowledgeable about all things 

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text. 
I will be forever grateful to 

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her. 
She said let's start a business.

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Let's make our own dog food. 
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foolish, we were like, Long 
story short, we started this 

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company that we named Sojourner 
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And it was a mixture of oats and
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And you added water and fresh 
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And it was based on the 
teachings of a well known 

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herbalist named Juliet de 
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And she was a European gypsy 
woman of royal descent of some 

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sort. 
And she raised Afghan hounds and

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she was complete outlier in the 
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She wasn't even part of the pet 
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She was an herbalist. 
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her and talked with her and got 
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this commercial pet food. 
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like it. 
We we would go to those shows 

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very much like Super Zoo, much 
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And literally we were the only 
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Like, yeah, it was so different.
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organic isn't that cute and very
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And of course, Jessica, you and 
I both know this is the way that

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so many people are now moving in
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not just be about price or about
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Maybe there's something to the 
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And Fast forward again, I sold 
that business to some folks that

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renamed it so Joe's. 
And so Joe's became a pretty big

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brand. 
And I went to school, I became a

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homeopathic Dr. I had a family 
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And my husband and I, about 15 
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something we can do to make 
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what I was seeing in my patients
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they wanted to feed Whole Foods,
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So it's interesting, I heard you
in the intro to me talking about

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how you would never recommend a 
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And I don't blame you because 
what has been out there for 

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years and years and years is 
just shit and sawdust mixed 

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together with a bunch of 
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and not really good. 
Not to name any names of course.

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So Dave and I put together this 
carbon floor and what we thought

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was let's create convenient 
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And that's I'm super proud of 
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And I'm so glad you discovered 
us because we're low key people.

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We're not out there to change 
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We just want to make the world a
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And what we could see from our 
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there's people that really want 
to feed a clean diet, but you 

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know what, they've got three 
kids to get off to school in the

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morning. 
They are not going to wait for 

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thawing. 
They're not going to mix and 

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cook. 
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It's the best way to feed your 
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it and not everybody wants to do
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So how can we meet people where 
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So we created a recipe that is 
like you said, it's quick, baked

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for four minutes, just enough to
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Foods. 
There's no synthetics, no 

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chemicals, no food fractions, no
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It's meat, eggs, liver, a few 
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That's it. 
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like cookie dough. 
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minutes, just enough to kill 
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long cool air dry. 
It goes through this long tunnel

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and it's just cool air, cool 
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moisture. 
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we can say to every consumer, 
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this. 
This takes no time at all. 

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Start here on your journey. 
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at, at the, at where you and I 
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journey. 
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people judge other people. 
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attitude. 
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money, some people don't. 
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time, some people don't. 
OK, can we stop judging each 

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other? 
Can we start with what works for

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us? 
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14 years, found a huge number of
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people that feed raw most of the
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Three kids have to get to school
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The dogs got the runs or 
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OK Carded for in the bowl or 
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they're asking someone else to 
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person is not about to do all 
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preparing. 
They just they won't OK here you

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go Aunt Betty. 
Here's the bag of cards for feed

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the dog keeper alive till we get
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transition issues because you're
not feeding crap, you're feeding

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whole food. 
It's quick bake, air dried, 

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really simple and we've had a 
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super proud of it because that's
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I just want to, I mean, having 
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people, right? 
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And of course they would tell me
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history. 
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them about pet nutrition and you
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homeopathic stuff with them for 
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I would get very involved in 
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And and I heard this over and 
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What can we do this just can I 
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There you have it. 
That's what current for that. 

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It's not rocket science. 
It's just clean, healthy foods 

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made processed as as as gently 
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And then off you go. 
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You don't have to refrigerate. 
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You don't have to mix it. 
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you know, And then hopefully as 
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what did you say? 
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As we learn, we, we know better.
We do, but. 

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Just take it from there. 
So that's what we're all about. 

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That's what I'm all about. 
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people say, OK, I don't have to 
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intimidated by that. 
I don't understand it. 

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I don't have time for it. 
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Shoof. 
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Carnivore. 
Learn, listen, follow your 

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podcast, read some books, take 
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kids get a little older, you 
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with clients is that they do 
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possibly can for their pets. 
But I mean, you've got, like you

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were saying, you've got kids, 
you've got jobs, you've got just

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household responsibilities. 
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because of, you know, they're 
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Generally, some dogs may it's 
they just kind of they get, they

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get what they can get and 
they're wonderful additions and 

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parts of the family and they're,
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couch to cuddle with you on 
movie night and all the things, 

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all the wonderful things that 
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But for me, like I realize, and 
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almost a full time job, just 
doing the research, staying on 

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top of, you know, going to AFCO 
doing like learning all of this 

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is it's not only very time 
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exhausting. 
It can be because of how the big

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guys are. 
I mean, it's, it's very much 

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just a way to get rid of human 
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you're doing at all. 
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Right. 
It's I heard somebody the other 

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day and I wish I could remember 
who it was. 

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Oh, Krista Fox at Pug and hound 
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She said that carnivore is in a 
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Like there isn't anything else 
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And I was like, OK, I'm on the 
right path. 

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I've heard that many, many times
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because it's just we took the 
very simplest, simplest premise.

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And that's what people, that's 
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business owner, as someone who 
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days, some days and has plenty 
of worries, you know, like 

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everyone else, which we want to 
do the best we can and we just 

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want it simple. 
Please just, you know, keep it 

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simple so that I can manage it 
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I'm asking. 
And we have found a lot of store

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owners will say, well, where do 
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Like does it go with next to the
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Does it go, you know, and that's
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our retailers, our independent 
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it should go in the store, which
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wherever you have the air dried 
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something, but not with your 
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We don't call carnivore a kibble
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distinction. 
It is not extruded, you know, it

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has no corn, no wheat, all that 
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It doesn't have all that stuff. 
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which it's not. 
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And we've always said that it's 
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they call air dried and then it 
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I didn't know. 
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I just love talking to people 

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about their animals health and 
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years I have had consumers call 
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change in my animal. 
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the gas, the bloat, the illness,
the lack of energy, all of it. 

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The arthritis. 
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because we make cat food too, a 
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healthy diet like that just 
starting with carnivore. 

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You don't have to go all into 
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blah blah, just starting with 
carnivore. 

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They see the difference and it 
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their hopefulness. 
That's you don't have to be a 

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rocket scientist. 
You can actually, I can manage 

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this and I just, I love that. 
Yeah. 

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And I do want to talk a little 
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with you, but I want to take a 
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you did become a doctor and you 
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part of your practice, as I 
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homeopathy. 
Is that correct? 

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I was a homeopathic Dr. I'm 
retired now. 

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Yes, OK. 
So homeopathy is something I 

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don't talk a whole heck of a lot
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don't really have people on that
talk about it a whole lot. 

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I think it's difficult to find 
people who are practicing 

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homeopathy anymore and 
especially with, you know, how 

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the, the pharmaceutical 
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the US it's, I mean, I'm sure 
it's very similar in Canada. 

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And you want to know why they 
come down so hard on us, 

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Jessica, we cannot patent the 
homeopathic medicine. 

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I just want to tell your 
listeners that there I know some

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wonderful well trained medical 
doctors who became homeopaths. 

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I know wonderful herbalist that 
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people like myself just, you 
know, smart people that wanted 

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to make the world a better place
become homeopaths. 

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What we all have in common is 
this curiosity of how the body 

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works, how energy works in the 
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us and in the remedies that we 
prescribe. 

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There's great power, but what 
there is not is great profit. 

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And since you cannot patent a 
remedy, because I could make a 

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remedy for you, I could. 
And we did in medical school, we

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spent a day and made a remedy. 
You just need a plant or a 

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mineral or a fragment of an 
animal bone, and you make the 

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remedy out of that. 
And you can't, you can't patent 

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arnica flower. 
It belongs to God, it belongs to

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people. 
And so since they can't make 

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money on us, they're going to 
turn everyone against us. 

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But believe you me, if they 
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paid, very highly esteemed 
physician right now. 

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Let me tell you if they could 
make money, but you can't. 

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Like it's very time intensive. 
If I were to take your case, it 

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would take me two hours and I 
would have to sit and you would 

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have to talk. 
And I would be writing and then 

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I would be researching for 
another two hours. 

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And then I would get you this 5 
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better. 
And it would be you know who, 

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who's making money here? 
No one you know. 

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Yeah. 
That's why I just had to say 

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that because that's the that's 
at the bottom of it all. 

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That's where the harassment 
comes in, because if you could 

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make money off of it, it would 
be a whole nother story. 

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Absolutely right. 
I agree with that all 100%. 

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And I, I have dabbled in it a 
little bit for myself and for my

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mostly deals with energy with 
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homeopathy than I am. 
So she's always like, try this 

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one, try that one. 
And she, you know, muscle tests 

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things and it's so very 
interesting. 

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Fascinating, isn't it? 
And your animal doesn't know 

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what you're doing. 
Your animal doesn't have 

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preconceived notions. 
And this, this criticism that 

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it's all a placebo effect, yes, 
but when your dog or your cat or

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your Guinea pig or your goat or 
your cow responds so 

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beautifully, so quickly, so 
completely, how do you explain 

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that they all, you know, it was 
just happenstance. 

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You have to laugh. 
I love it. 

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I will be a homeopath till the 
day I die. 

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I never stuck learning. 
Even though I am retired. 

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I have to choose, you know, am I
retired or not? 

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Because people ask me all the 
time, can you take my case? 

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I am retired. 
I still help friends and family.

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Of course, that's homeopathy is 
in me. 

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I've been studying it since I 
was 25. 

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I love it, I respect it. 
And the power of homeopathy is 

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incredible. 
I have seen it change lives. 

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I have seen it do incredible 
things in the right hands. 

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It does take some medication. 
You do have to understand what 

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you're dealing with here, but 
boy, it's a wonderful science. 

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It's an art and a science put 
together. 

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Yeah. 
And the way I understand it is 

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that it is energetic medicine 
and it is very customized and 

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specific to your individual 
symptoms. 

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Yep, that's correct. 
Which is why it takes a 

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practitioner like you so long. 
It can take you so long to 

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pinpoint like OK, the I need to 
know exactly like is your cough 

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dry or is it wet? 
Or is it you know, where is it? 

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Is it coming? 
From your Because there's 

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pneumonia in your family. 
We go back three generations 

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because our energy is not just 
right here, it's in US. 

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Just remember, my ovaries were 
in my mother. 

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Yeah, her ovaries were in her 
mother. 

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So we have passed down ovaries, 
literally egg cells through the 

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matrilineal generations. 
So what happened to them? 

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What affected them 
energetically? 

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Shock, crisis, starvation 
continued on. 

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That energetic vibe has 
continued on. 

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So me and although I did not 
live in Poland, I did not starve

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in Poland, I was not harassed in
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My great grandmother was right. 
When you when you when you look 

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at homeopathy from that 
perspective, there is no other 

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medicine, maybe Chinese medicine
somewhat, but there is no other 

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medicine that takes all of that 
into consideration. 

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I could do a whole podcast on 
homeopathy. 

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I used to be a faculty member 
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history of homeopathy and also 
teaching the rudimentaries of 

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homeopathy. 
I've done some some some courses

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on homeopathy for dogs Naturally
Magazine. 

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I did a course for them and I've
done some in some stores where 

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we've, the store owner has set 
aside a whole weekend and I will

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go and teach homeopathy for 
eight hours and we'll have 50 

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people there just taking notes, 
just learning. 

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That's what I can do for my dog.
Because literally, you're going 

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to pay $10.00 for this tube of 
remedy that lasts forever and 

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you can use it. 50 times like, 
you know, there's enough doses 

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in there. 
So it, you know, it's got a low 

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barrier to entry as far as the 
cost. 

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And we could put together a kit 
for you that would encompass 

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just about any illness or injury
your dog or cat could get into 

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that you could keep forever. 
And all you need is a book or 

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some teaching or, or my phone 
number or you know, that kind of

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thing. 
And you could really, really 

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help your animal to ride. 
Of course, you take your animal 

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to the vet when it's time, and 
that's critical, too. 

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You need to know. 
All right, it's time to call it 

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quicks here. 
We got to go to the vet, right? 

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Nothing wrong with that. 
Yeah, at all. 

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We should all be working 
together. 

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But try to keep the animal at 
home and ease the animal 

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suffering as much as you can. 
Is it minor? 

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Can you manage it? 
Do that. 

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Your your animal will be better 
off. 

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Yeah, I, I love that you have so
much knowledge and so much like 

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background in really a holistic 
way of and I think you I was 

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listening to you on the BK Pets 
podcast and you don't you, you, 

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you like to just refer to 
everything as natural rearing. 

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Is that correct? 
That term natural rearing that 

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came from Juliet Levy because 
it's it's much more than just 

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food you know, look at our 
families, look at our our own 

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lives. 
If I were to eat a really clean 

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diet that is very specific to my
needs, which would be amazing 

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and it would take me a lot of 
research to figure that out, 

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right? 
But let's say I did that. 

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But then I smoked or lived right
next to a freeway, you know, 4 

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drinks a night, never exercised 
and lived with someone that 

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abused me. 
How healthy am I? 

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Yeah. 
We must look at it as natural 

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rearing for our animals. 
It's, it's, it's what's the 

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source of their water? 
What is the source of their air?

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I had a friend who was doing 
everything right and her dogs 

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kept getting cancer. 
It turned out she lived near a 

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sod farm. 
And they were spraying. 

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And, you know, it's just like 
making the connection sometimes 

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takes a minute. 
And Oh my God, these chemicals 

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were coming across into her 
backyard. 

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So she moved. 
She just, you know, she had to 

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move. 
These are the things that 

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encompass that get encompassed 
in natural rearing. 

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What is the what's the vibe in 
your house? 

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Are you guys always fighting or 
is there a distrust amongst the 

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partners, etcetera, etcetera. 
Is there all the things that go 

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into health are equally 
important. 

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Food's huge, of course. 
Medicine is huge, of course, but

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there's also the source of their
happiness, their comfort level, 

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their safety, the air, the 
water, etcetera. 

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You know, is their bed someplace
they feel safe? 

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Maybe they need a crate. 
You know, I learned that a long 

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time ago with my dog. 
He needed a crate. 

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He felt safe. 
He wasn't abandoned or locked 

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up. 
No, no, it was like, hey, I'm 

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going to sleep now. 
You. 

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It's just, you know, my roommate
used to crawl into the crate 

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with him because he was very 
happy in his. 

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Yeah, I, I talk about crates 
quite a bit as well, because I 

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wasn't, I was for a short period
of time a dog trainer. 

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And that's like one of like I, I
go kind of cringe when people 

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are like, I need to crate train 
my dog. 

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And I'm like, yes, you do, but 
why? 

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Like, because so many people use
it as punishment and I can't 

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stand behind that. 
But that's like my crates and my

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house are open at all times, 
right? 

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And they just go in there and 
they yes. 

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Right. 
They're, they get away from us. 

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They're they, they got their 
stuffies and their and their 

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beds. 
No one bothers them. 

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It's in a nice corner, you know?
Heck yeah. 

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It's like my bed, you know? 
They're willing. 

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Yes. 
So you brought up veterinarians 

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and how yes, veterinary care is 
very important. 

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We need to know when to do 
things at home, when to go to 

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the vet. 
And one of the things that I'm 

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curious if you hear a lot of, 
because so many of our 

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veterinarians, I mean, what we 
know, they don't really get a 

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whole lot of nutrition training,
if any. 

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And their what whatever program,
whatever college they're in, 

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taking their veterinary medicine
courses. 

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And then when they come out, 
they pretty much like it's 

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whatever food sponsored that 
college, whatever food they were

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given for free for those however
many years. 

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That's what they're recommending
in their practice. 

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And a lot of them are, you know,
there are certainly a handful of

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them that are continue their 
education. 

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And yes, they absolutely want 
your dog on a fresh food diet. 

448
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240
There are a handful of them that
can get on board with home 

449
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,400
cooking and adding fresh food to
the kibble there. 

450
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,240
So it's not an all or nothing 
situation by any means. 

451
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,000
But the majority of them I think
are very much in this. 

452
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720
You have to keep your dog on a 
kibble because it is completely 

453
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,320
balanced and it has all of the 
vitamins and minerals and blah 

454
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,760
blah blah blah blah blah, blah, 
blah. 

455
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,600
And I even though like so 
carnivore is not a kibble, but I

456
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:51,160
wonder if you noticed that it is
more accepted by veterinarians? 

457
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Yes, because it's familiar and 
I'm a big fan of veterinarians 

458
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,120
and I having been a practitioner
myself, I have a soft spot for 

459
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:07,400
people that really want to learn
a craft, their art and science 

460
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,280
of medicine. 
They choose veterinarian skills,

461
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,080
they go and they pay a lot of 
money. 

462
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840
And getting into BED school is 
very, very tough. 

463
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,360
It's not easy to do. 
There are far fewer BED schools 

464
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,400
than medical schools. 
So on the one hand, it's easier 

465
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,680
for one of the big or two of the
big pet food companies to kind 

466
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,280
of own the school. 
On the other hand, there are 

467
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,440
very few options. 
So these veterinarians are like 

468
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,640
anyone else. 
They, they want, they want to 

469
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
make the world a better place. 
They don't have enough 

470
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,880
information and they have to 
earn money because how many 

471
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,480
times have you heard people say,
Oh my God, the vet wanted $200 

472
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,320
to do that surgery. 
That's not a lot of money to do 

473
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,320
with surgery when you consider 
her over. 

474
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080
Did you know veterinarians have 
very high rate of suicide? 

475
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520
And I. 
Said to me so I always want to 

476
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,760
say I I think veterinarians are 
people too and they need 

477
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,360
education. 
And you're right I don't 

478
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,040
disagree with anything you said.
There are just like they're well

479
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,000
meaning pet parents who don't 
have the info. 

480
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
The problem is the veterinarian 
is going to towel the pet 

481
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,960
parent. 
No, no, you, I have to feed this

482
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,280
kibble and it has to be this 
brand. 

483
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,040
And by the way, your dog's 
overweight. 

484
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,640
So it has to be the weight 
management formula, which is 

485
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
complete marketing. 
It's marketing. 

486
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:32,080
So yes, yes, I have found that 
vets in general are more 

487
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,800
accepting of a dry food that is 
complete and balanced. 

488
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,320
It's all up to it's beyond AFCO 
standards and it is familiar and

489
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,880
so they feel comfortable because
they are responsible for their 

490
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
advice to you. 
On the other hand, a lot of vets

491
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,000
have told us over the years as 
we've approached vets that 

492
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,360
clinics, you know they say oh, I
can't sell carnivore because you

493
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,000
don't have senior formula, puppy
formula, weight management 

494
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640
formula, these things that they 
need on their shelf in order to 

495
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,360
stay in business. 
They need what we call passive 

496
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,400
income. 
So they need a shelf that their 

497
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
admin can take that client to 
and say, OK, here's the bag of 

498
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,160
this and here's the medicine of 
that. 

499
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,960
And here's the blah, blah, blah.
And that adds $100 to the bill. 

500
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,880
But that is what that vet needs 
to pay her rent. 

501
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000
So that's the other side of the 
story. 

502
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,480
And, and we've, we've been told,
you know, Oh no, you know, how 

503
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,520
can it just be all life stages? 
Well, my answer to that is when 

504
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,480
you were growing up, did your 
grandmother eat a whole 

505
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,000
different diet or did she just 
eat less or more than the 

506
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
three-year old? 
And did your mom eat a whole 

507
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,800
different diet or did she just 
eat less or more than the 16 

508
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
year old? 
Like common sense tells us that 

509
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,960
if you're eating appropriate 
foods, then puppies need more 

510
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760
that dogs need a little less, 
right? 

511
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600
It's it's marketing and that and
the vets are really on that. 

512
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,280
And like I said, it's, I 
understand why I get it. 

513
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
I respect their need to earn a 
living. 

514
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,160
And and it's not easy to make a 
living as a people have high 

515
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,960
expectations of veterinarians 
and they don't get the respect 

516
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,720
that they really need to earn. 
They really don't get that from 

517
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,360
people because it costs a lot to
to run a clinic and people don't

518
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,040
want to pay it. 
And there's no, there's very 

519
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,360
little health insurance out 
there. 

520
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,360
People don't really cough up for
dogging. 

521
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,760
They don't. 
Right. 

522
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

523
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Like you heard earlier, 
carnivores in a class on its 

524
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,880
own, even in the vet clinics 
they're like, yet maybe. 

525
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Right, I don't know what to do 
with this, but it's good. 

526
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,920
I haven't had too many vets say 
it's a bad food because when you

527
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,240
look at the ingredients and you 
look at the guaranteed analysis,

528
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,200
there's nothing to complain 
about. 

529
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
There's no reason not to feed 
this food. 

530
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,560
So so they don't object from 
that standpoint. 

531
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
You know, the whole complete and
balanced thing, because you put 

532
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,200
together a proper diet, it's 
complete and balanced. 

533
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,160
It's fine. 
There's no reason to object to 

534
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,240
it. 
Yeah. 

535
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,800
And then they'll say, well, you 
know, it's a senior dog, so you 

536
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,880
should really put them on senior
board with, OK, whatever. 

537
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Yes, Now I, I agree there's a 
lot of marketing in that and I 

538
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:24,720
think a lot of it too probably 
stemmed from the fact that, you 

539
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,640
know, kibbles, actual kibbles 
are balanced with vitamin and 

540
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520
mineral packs. 
And so it's just, you know, 

541
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,280
that's one of the other things I
wanted to talk to you about with

542
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,240
for me, I am not a fan, 
especially of vitamin and 

543
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
mineral packs, but if we can get
away from any synthetics at all 

544
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
in the food, that's my 
preference. 

545
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000
And that's what you have done 
and been able to provide a shelf

546
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400
stable food, which just is the 
reality is I've, I have heard of

547
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,880
carnivore for many years. 
And I just have to be honest 

548
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040
that I didn't give it a second 
thought because I'm like, it's a

549
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,680
dry food that sits on the shelf 
forever. 

550
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680
And I just didn't give it a 
second thought. 

551
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,840
And then it was actually hearing
you speak that I'm like, Oh my 

552
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840
gosh, this woman knows what 
she's talking about. 

553
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,880
Yep, the vitamin mineral packs 
are a real issue, and it was one

554
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,720
of the first things Dave and I 
tackled when we decided to put 

555
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,360
together a recipe that we were 
hoping people could use as the 

556
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480
bridge to raw, like we like to 
say. 

557
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,120
And it's ubiquitous, like every 
dog food has it, like natural 

558
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,640
brands. 
It's cheaper than putting in 

559
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Whole Foods or more meat. 
It's much cheaper. 

560
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,840
And none of that stuff, none of 
the synthetics are made in the 

561
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,240
US. 
They're all made offshore and 

562
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,000
they're imported in big dusty 
bags and it's chemicals. 

563
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,360
It's all surely lab made. 
And OK, so are some medicines 

564
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,200
and sometimes those are 
necessary. 

565
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960
So what's the big objection? 
I'll give you my objection, and 

566
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:11,560
that is that synthetic nutrients
are taken into the body very 

567
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
differently from whole food 
nutrients. 

568
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,400
So whole food nutrients have all
their family of Co nutrients 

569
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,280
around them. 
In other words, vitamin A, which

570
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,280
comes naturally in carrots, is 
not on its own in the carrot. 

571
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,160
There are literally hundreds of 
Co nutrients around that vitamin

572
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,360
A that make it digestible and 
bioavailable. 

573
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,320
When you eat the carrot. 
If you just take retinol which 

574
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,960
is the chemical vitamin A, you 
have now lost that entire family

575
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
of Co nutrients. 
So what happens is the body 

576
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,600
ingests the retinol in that 
synthetic vitamin pack and says 

577
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
wait a SEC, where's the rest of 
them? 

578
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Doesn't know what to do with 
that nutrient. 

579
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Has to find a place to store the
nutrient, usually in the fat 

580
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,400
while it waits for the whole 
nutrients needed to make retinol

581
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200
bioavailable. 
Weights for the natural 

582
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320
ingestion of those conutrients 
because they're very small 

583
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600
amounts. 
Once it has them all, now it can

584
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,200
package it all together and use 
the vitamin A. 

585
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:32,160
The body is so smart if too much
vitamin A, just to continue on 

586
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320
that example so as not to 
confuse people. 

587
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,040
If too much vitamin A all on its
own is ingested and stored in 

588
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,800
the fat, the body eventually 
says that's toxic waste. 

589
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
I have to get rid of that. 
So now it goes into a detox 

590
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
procedure, stressing the 
kidneys, the lungs, the skin, 

591
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,840
the GI, all of the organs of 
detox now have a big job to do. 

592
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,360
And your body, your dog's body 
is now vulnerable because it's 

593
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
working real hard to get rid of 
this toxic waste. 

594
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,159
Along comes the chemicals from 
that sod factory next door, that

595
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,880
sod farm, and now it's got to 
deal with this other invader. 

596
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,960
And the entire immune system is 
on fire. 

597
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,000
That's called inflammation. 
Inflammation causes disease. 

598
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,600
So when you really just peel it 
that ingesting the synthetic 

599
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,719
nutrients is sometimes important
on a short term basis. 

600
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,800
And I had a heck of a time 
getting that message through to 

601
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,520
my patients. 
They'd be like, well, I'm really

602
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600
healthy. 
I take a supplement every day. 

603
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040
I take a, you know, one a day or
whatever. 

604
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,440
And I'm like, how long have you 
been doing that? 

605
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,760
Oh, and so we would have the and
the, and the truth is that the 

606
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:02,040
body knows how to digest and 
make available to all of its 

607
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880
organs and all of its systems, 
Whole Foods. 

608
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,520
It does not, no, it does not 
recognize the synthetics. 

609
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,840
It recognizes them as foreign. 
And what does the body do with 

610
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440
foreign invaders? 
Up comes the immune system, up 

611
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,160
comes the T cells and the B 
cells and all these fighting 

612
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,920
mechanisms in the body to say, 
wait, wait, wait, wait, no, that

613
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,160
what is that? 
That's not coming in here. 

614
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480
So you can take all the 
synthetic nutrients you want. 

615
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,720
After a while, the body puts up 
a big fight. 

616
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,360
Now you've got chronic 
inflammation. 

617
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,920
And one of my favorite images is
it's like your body's running on

618
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,400
a hamster wheel trying to get 
nutrition because it's not 

619
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,360
getting nutrition. 
You're taking those vitamins, 

620
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
those synthetic vitamins, and 
the body's going, oh, I can use 

621
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,680
some of this. 
I'm going to store the rest of 

622
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
that. 
But it's not getting whole 

623
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,720
nutrition. 
It's not getting what it needs. 

624
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,560
So it's limping along and your 
dog's going to start to itch and

625
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,120
that's going to get those ears 
and then breath and then one by 

626
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,720
one, by one until the hamster 
wheel has exhausted him and now 

627
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,760
he's got cancer. 
Now he's got all these human 

628
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,320
diseases, all these illnesses 
that animals are now getting 

629
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,560
that they didn't used to get 
because we have changed their 

630
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,120
diet from go out and catch a 
rabbit, bring in a dead bird. 

631
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,640
The stuffed Julia Debericly Levy
would have loved to. 

632
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
Here's the kibble in your bowl. 
This is what you're going to get

633
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,720
every day the rest of your life.
And the nutrition, because it's 

634
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:47,440
extruded with high heat, high 
pressure and acid, there is 

635
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,920
literally nothing left alive. 
So they Add all these synthetic 

636
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,920
nutrients and then they spray on
fats and attractants. 

637
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,280
And then they put in all of the 
stuff that's supposed to keep it

638
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
whole. 
And that is what your animal 

639
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,240
eats the rest of its life. 
And you wonder why animals have 

640
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:10,160
such an explosion of chronic 
illness. 

641
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960
So we just dial it back to, you 
know what, try to eat as many 

642
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Whole Foods in their whole form 
as you can. 

643
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,600
And I say to my customers with 
carnivore, shred in some 

644
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,480
carrots, add a fresh egg or some
yogurt or some cottage cheese or

645
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,280
some peanut butter or some fresh
meat in a separate meal. 

646
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Like do the best you with your 
carnivore. 

647
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,480
You don't have to add anything 
if you don't have time, you 

648
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,200
really you should be OK, but 
it's not ideal. 

649
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Ideally, every animal needs some
fresh food just like us. 

650
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,720
You know, if we eat breakfast 
cereal, breakfast cereal is 

651
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,320
extruded with all the same 
industry synthetic vitamins. 

652
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,360
It's high heat, high pressure 
and acid break everything down. 

653
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,720
They spray on the sugar and the 
flavors and they say here kids 

654
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,160
have a great day, right? 
Same thing so with. 

655
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Carnivore, tell me a little bit 
about your ingredients and the 

656
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,720
sourcing and because I I read 
somewhere that sourcing and 

657
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,160
sustainability are also very 
important to you. 

658
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:27,040
They are very important. 
So we get meat from our supplier

659
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,560
who supplies the restaurant 
industry and the DOC. 

660
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,640
The chicken and the fish are all
Canadian because we're in Canada

661
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
for your listeners. 
And then we import from New 

662
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Zealand the goat, the venison 
and the lamb, because that was 

663
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,120
cleanest, consistent source, 
right? 

664
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,880
Sometimes people ask me, why 
don't you do all organic like 

665
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,920
you did with Sojourner Farms? 
Well, because I could say it's 

666
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
organic. 
Sometimes it is. 

667
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,600
It's like can't be all the time.
There's not enough. 

668
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,000
I get my family meat from a 
farmer 2 1/2 hours from here. 

669
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,920
He is five generations organic. 
He's growing turkeys right now. 

670
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,120
He just asked me, do you want a 
Turkey for Christmas? 

671
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,360
Right. 
That's where I get my meat. 

672
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,000
There is such demand for his 
produce. 

673
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
There's not enough for the pet 
food market. 

674
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,560
So if you're trying to put 
organic meat into pet food, 

675
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,640
you're going to have very small 
business and it's going to be 

676
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,960
inconsistent. 
And then there's going to be the

677
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,320
day your distributor says, oh, I
couldn't get organic and I 

678
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,840
substituted something else. 
And that's not acceptable to us.

679
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,160
So Dave and I did our research 
long time ago. 

680
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,360
This is my husband's job too. 
This is like, you know, he's so 

681
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600
keen on this. 
I remember him dragging me out 

682
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
to an apple farmer in Ontario. 
I want to check out the guy's 

683
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,240
apples. 
I'm like, OK, Dave, let's do it.

684
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,680
So it's, it's such a simple 
recipe. 

685
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,200
There's like eight ingredients 
and three of the ingredients are

686
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,960
sprouted seeds or so organic 
sprouted seeds are, it's like 

687
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,600
making fine wine. 
They, they're, they're sprouted.

688
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,560
They're all USDA organic. 
They're sprouted just to the 

689
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,040
right amount and they're dried 
and they're ground into this 

690
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,960
lovely meal. 
You know, it's a sprouted seed 

691
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,160
meal and we use them liberally. 
And that is the key. 

692
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,240
That is how we are able. 
To put super nutrients to this 

693
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,840
mixture that is so simple. 
Meat, liver, eggs, all locally 

694
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,040
sourced, either Ontario or like 
I said, New Zealand for three of

695
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,960
the meats and we mash it up 
together. 

696
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,320
We, we know our suppliers. 
That's like I said, that's 

697
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Dave's job. 
So I can't claim personally. 

698
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,680
I don't even remember that apple
farmer's name, but you know, he 

699
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,560
has made it a point to get to 
know these people and to keep it

700
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680
as local as possible. 
I know we get our duck from 

701
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Quebec and, and that guy's like,
he sells really expensive duck, 

702
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680
really fancy restaurants. 
And he's like, don't tell 

703
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,040
anybody I'm selling it to you. 
We're like, OK, really, right, 

704
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,880
You know, but our whole goal is 
to try to keep it close to us, 

705
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,080
as close as we can and run a 
business, right. 

706
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,120
But nothing, nothing outside of 
New Zealand. 

707
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Have you ever been to New 
Zealand? 

708
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,240
It's one of the countries in the
world there are more sheep than 

709
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,520
people. 
Seriously, like 20 million to 

710
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,000
one. 
I spent three months there and 

711
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,480
it is, it is a farming, 
agricultural island. 

712
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,800
So talk about clean air, clean 
water. 

713
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
And they know how to, they know 
how to raise animals there. 

714
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
So you will get pasture raised, 
everything. 

715
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880
They don't have factory farms in
New Zealand, They don't need to.

716
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,360
They have so much space and so 
few people that this is so 

717
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,760
that's why we went to New 
Zealand. 

718
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,640
We really enjoyed that and we've
both been there. 

719
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,400
So we can actually see for 
ourselves. 

720
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,800
This is how we're dealing with 
it here. 

721
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,160
No chemicals, nothing from a 
lab. 

722
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,960
So there's grounded seeds, 
there's a few vegetables. 

723
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,760
Some of our recipes have whole 
brown rice and helps keep it 

724
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,800
together and adds minerals. 
We actually like the whole brown

725
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,640
rice. 
That's the only grain. 

726
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,000
There's no corn, there's no 
wheat, nothing that shouldn't be

727
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,760
in there, right? 
Again, locally sourced, milled 

728
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,480
in Ontario, baked in Quebec, and
then shipped all over the. 

729
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,240
World, tell me a little bit more
about the sprouted seeds and 

730
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,800
that's also available as the, 
you know, the four, four, yes, 

731
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,400
the sprouted seeds and the 
greens, yeah. 

732
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,840
So did the sprouted seeds are 
collection of lentils and barley

733
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
and chia and broccoli. 
And there's two different we 

734
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,800
have fluorophore and fluorophore
greens plus and we put the 

735
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,280
fluorophore collection into our 
carnivore, all of our carnivore 

736
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,880
products and it's, it's it. 
We saw such an amazing 

737
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,760
difference when we were testing 
the product on all of our 

738
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,560
friends and families, dogs and 
cats and gerbils and horses. 

739
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,800
So we said we have to solve this
separately. 

740
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,120
It is an amazing superfood. 
It is simply there's no heat 

741
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
applied. 
It is not processed in any way. 

742
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,320
We grow the sprouts, we dry them
out naturally, not under heat, 

743
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,880
and we grind them up and we put 
them in a bag that's all USDA 

744
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,360
organic, 100%, four ingredients,
3-4 ingredients, and a 

745
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,640
tablespoon at a time into 
whatever you're feeding is a 

746
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,000
great way to start on that path 
to natural wearing because you 

747
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,960
will see. 
So it's such intense super food 

748
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,920
nutrition, especially the Omega,
the omega-3 fatty acids in that 

749
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,880
product are amazing. 
And you will see the difference 

750
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480
in your itchy dog within, you 
know, 10 days, two weeks. 

751
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
I've had numerous, numerous 
consumers tell me that we put it

752
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,440
in our smoothies and when we met
in Las Vegas, I was making 

753
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
smoothies for everybody at our 
booth for people. 

754
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,520
Everybody's like, wait, is this 
people food or animal food? 

755
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
I'm like, it's everybody's food.
This is my point. 

756
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,760
It is, yes, you can eat it, feed
it to your child, Just mix it 

757
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,560
into their yogurt. 
We have a bag at home on the 

758
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,200
counter. 
I put it into my smoothies, my 

759
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,320
breakfast cereal, my oatmeal, 
Right? 

760
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,440
I make bone broth oatmeal all 
the time. 

761
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,000
It's making breakfast and I will
stir in 2 tablespoons of 

762
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:34,880
fluorophore to get omega-3 fatty
acids, live enzymes and the main

763
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,800
event billions of CF us of 
native probiotics. 

764
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,680
And when you buy a bag of 
carnivore, do you ever notice 

765
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,760
how it looks vacuum packed 
because you don't vacuum pack 

766
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,720
it. 
It's a hand cake, like it's and 

767
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,960
it looks like you sucked all the
air out of the bag. 

768
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,480
Those are the probiotics which 
are alive, eating the oxygen in 

769
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,280
the back. 
Oh, wow. 

770
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Yeah, that's interesting. 
That's what that is. 

771
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,640
Because we don't, we don't do 
anything. 

772
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,400
We put it in the bag, we seal it
up. 

773
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,400
And because we don't over 
process any of our recipes, 

774
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,560
those probiotics are still alive
and we've been shelf testing 

775
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,680
them for 14 years. 
Like we. 

776
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,280
Still have bags with live 
probiotics from 13 years ago. 

777
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
We don't recommend you hold on 
to Carnival, but it's important 

778
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,720
to us that we know you know. 
So the difference is native 

779
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,080
probiotics come from food, they 
come from the soil. 

780
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,600
And if you think about it, a 
seed, a tiny little seed has all

781
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,520
the nutrition in it required to 
grow a huge plant. 

782
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Think of an acorn and an oak 
tree. 

783
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Everything needed to make that 
oak tree, all the nutrition, all

784
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,680
the DNA, everything is in that 
acorn. 

785
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,400
So when you take a seat and you 
sprout it, what you're releasing

786
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,200
is the phytic acid shell that 
pulls all those probiotics, 

787
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,120
enzymes, minerals, vitamins, 
everything in it. 

788
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:14,320
And now it's available in your 
gut and you release the energy. 

789
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,760
You can chew a flax seed for 10 
hours. 

790
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,640
You will not get the same 
nutrition as if you simply 

791
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
sprouted overnight and then eat 
it. 

792
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,240
It's a it's a different seed 
altogether, totally different. 

793
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,280
So that's what we discovered 
with carnivore. 

794
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,200
You can Add all this nutrition 
and you don't have to process it

795
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,680
and you don't need anything 
faint. 

796
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,720
So I think you answered the 
question I'm getting ready to 

797
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,080
ask you, but not in a way that 
people would understand because 

798
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,360
you did mention legumes and you 
did mention brown rice. 

799
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,560
And somehow, some way, because 
they, the media did such a good 

800
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,760
job and veterinarians did such a
good job scaring people off of 

801
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,480
grain free diets. 
Can you tell me a little bit 

802
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,200
about why it is OK that there 
are some legumes and some brown 

803
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,920
rice? 
If you So what happened with 

804
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,440
that whole grain free thing and 
it was pushed by the big pet 

805
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,840
food companies because there are
a number of us smaller people, 

806
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,160
smaller companies that are 
putting boutique diets out there

807
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,600
is what they call them right 
simple different foods. 

808
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
And one of the things that 
everybody seemed to appreciate 

809
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,320
was grain free. 
Why grain free? 

810
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Because in standard grocery 
store kibble, there's a lot of 

811
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,600
wheat and corn, frappy floor 
sweepings, wheat and corn. 

812
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,000
And that is not necessary or 
good for your dog, but it's 

813
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,760
cheap and it fills up that 
kibble and then they spray the 

814
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,440
Fed on and the attractants and 
swallow it right. 

815
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,520
So they feel threatened by the 
competition, understandably so, 

816
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,280
because we are innovating and 
also teaching people you don't 

817
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,560
need to feed that crap. 
So if you look on a recipe for 

818
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,280
any standard grain filled 
typical grocery store, it's full

819
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,240
of wheat and chaff and corn and 
food fractions and pea protein, 

820
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,320
legume protein. 
So then this whole thing 

821
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
happened with don't Feed Grain 
Free. 

822
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,400
Why? 
Well because we tested a couple 

823
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,920
brands and they fell short of 
the nutrition. 

824
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Well some of the bigger pet food
companies were doing grain free 

825
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,160
products and instead of adding 
more meat, which would make 

826
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,760
sense but that would cost money,
they added more food fractions 

827
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,880
and synthetic nutrition and that
is not good for the animal. 

828
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,360
So I'm sure there are a number 
of grain free foods out there 

829
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,360
that are really bad for dogs. 
100% sure of that. 

830
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,160
But not every grain free product
is bad for dogs and not every 

831
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,840
grain is bad for dogs. 
So step back, use your common 

832
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,280
sense. 
Anything that comes out of big 

833
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,040
pet food, take it with a grain 
of salt because it's just about 

834
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,720
competition for them. 
So if they say grain free is all

835
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,080
bad, just think for a SEC. 
Is that really ringing true for 

836
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,240
me and my animal or not? 
Number one, Number two, what is 

837
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,000
on that ingredient list? 
At the end of the day, it is the

838
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,720
consumers responsibility to read
the ingredient list. 

839
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,240
It should not be starting with 
grains. 

840
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
It should start with meat, 
right? 

841
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,400
It should start with meat and 
you know, some some whole brown 

842
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,760
rice. 
That's OK. 

843
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,280
That's not going to hurt your 
animal. 

844
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:55,720
And we have a lot of people 
asking for that. 

845
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,360
Also, if it's grain free, what 
else is in there? 

846
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Is it food fractions? 
Is it sheep pea proteins, cheap 

847
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,320
legumes? 
Or is it meat, liver and eggs? 

848
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Read the ingredients. 
That's all that's about. 

849
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,880
But it they were very successful
in scaring a lot of people. 

850
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,680
I had a lot of friends and 
family call me and say I feed 

851
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,760
that recipe of yours that's 
green free, as you know, is it? 

852
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,160
Then I go read the ingredients. 
Is there anything in there 

853
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,880
that's bad for you? 
And legumes got lumped into that

854
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,640
because there's also there are 
companies that overuse the 

855
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,080
legume and they should not be 
overused. 

856
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,680
So two things different with 
with carnivores, we don't put 

857
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,600
legumes in anything. 
We put sprouted legumes in and 

858
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,280
that's a whole different food. 
Like I said, you can chew on a 

859
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,920
flaxseed till the cows come 
home. 

860
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,600
You won't get the nutrition that
is sprouted flaxseed. 

861
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,520
We'll give you same thing with 
the organic brown lentils that 

862
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,720
we add. 
We add bread lentils and brown 

863
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,160
lentils, red and brown. 
I think there is a green anyway,

864
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,960
I forget, maybe. 
All right. 

865
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,320
And they get sprouted. 
It is a completely different 

866
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,360
nutrient. 
Nobody's dog is chewing on these

867
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,640
legumes, you know, for hours. 
No, we're not. 

868
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,880
It's not a filler. 
So read the ingredients list. 

869
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,120
That's I just beg every 
consumer. 

870
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,320
And if you read the ingredients 
list, you're a smart person. 

871
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,560
You can read what's on that. 
Is it food? 

872
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,000
You understand there's nothing 
wrong with sprouted seeds, but 

873
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,560
are the first 3 or is it in the 
top five ingredients that like, 

874
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,560
you know, lentils, Why are they 
sprouted lentils? 

875
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,080
That's a different thing. 
If it's just peas, just plain 

876
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,680
old peas, like look at it, 
what's what's above it? 

877
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Please tell me. 
There's meat and liver and eggs,

878
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,840
but there's lean liver and eggs.
And then you get to the bottom 

879
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,520
and there's sprouted seeds or 
some salt or some baking soda or

880
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,000
some Rosemary or some, you know,
whatever. 

881
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,080
OK. 
You know, Rodney Hibby likes to 

882
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,960
talk about the salt rule. 
Anything that comes after salt, 

883
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
there's, it's not a material 
amount. 

884
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200
So if someone tries to tell you 
we have sprouted seeds in our 

885
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,360
food and it's after salt or it's
a you know, no they don't. 

886
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,720
They sprinkled it in like fairy 
dust with several of several of 

887
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,760
those competitors and they all 
felt by the wayside because at 

888
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,680
the end of the day, it doesn't 
perform. 

889
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,760
Your dog is no better, still 
itchy actually. 

890
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,320
Feed food to your animal and 
then your animal will start to 

891
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,320
feel better and then you will 
feel good about your purchase 

892
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160
because you'll know OK, it 
actually performs. 

893
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,600
It did what? 
It's what Maria said it would 

894
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,960
do. 
Right. 

895
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,880
So the whole issue with grain 
free, it's had its day. 

896
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,760
It it they, they bring it back 
up when they start to feel 

897
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,920
threatened. 
Oh, it comes back up again. 

898
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,440
Read the ingredients. 
Don't feed a grain free that's 

899
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,640
full of crap. 
And there's plenty of those. 

900
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,720
Don't feed that. 
Yeah. 

901
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,480
If it's meat and eggs and liver 
and sprouted seeds and 

902
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,240
vegetables, yeah. 
Yeah, no, I still. 

903
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Right. 
I still get people to this day 

904
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,800
that are like, no, my 
veterinarian, I was just there 

905
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,360
last week and they said no grain
free and. 

906
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,960
We will always have that, which 
is it's part of our human 

907
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,760
condition. 
We, we have our habits, we have 

908
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,080
our, our fears. 
And it takes a lot for us to 

909
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,320
move beyond that, which is why, 
like I said earlier, I defend 

910
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,720
the veterinarians to a point. 
They are people too, and they 

911
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,400
have a lot to learn. 
And we all have to open our 

912
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,440
minds so that when we know 
better, we do better. 

913
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,880
And you and I have both met tons
of veterinarians who are 

914
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,000
listening and learning and 
opening up their practice to new

915
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,960
ideas, to homeopathy, to herbs, 
to fresh food. 

916
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,680
And you know, there's, there's a
lot of them out there. 

917
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,520
And there's, there are more and 
more out there. 

918
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,160
I had lots of conversation at 
Super Soup. 

919
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:11,720
It's very encouraging to me 
because back in the day, gosh, 

920
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,600
35 years ago, that was just not 
happening. 

921
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,920
You know, like you said, Doctor 
Billing Hurston and Juliet Levy,

922
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,160
who wasn't, she wasn't a vet, 
but she was an herbalist, right?

923
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,080
So she would work on your animal
and they were few and far 

924
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,440
between. 
Yeah, yeah. 

925
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,560
I am very thankful that there 
are so many more now and so many

926
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,640
of them online teaching and 
educating, just educating pet 

927
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,640
errands and it's, it is really 
wonderful to see. 

928
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,840
And just one more question if 
you have a moment. 

929
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,440
One of the things, and I brought
this up to you when we were 

930
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,600
speaking at Super Zoo, is it's 
just because of the work that I 

931
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,480
do, because of the animals that 
I help, I feel I will always die

932
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:06,440
on is hydration and how, I mean,
how does the food accept 

933
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,520
hydration? 
Can you? 

934
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,280
Yep. 
So our our regular sized Nuggets

935
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,200
don't accept hydration very 
well. 

936
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,560
In other words, they don't soak 
it up. 

937
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,840
Right, that's what. 
You have to feed fresh water 

938
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,080
with your animal, which for us 
is common sense. 

939
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,480
Always make sure your animal and
pour beef or bone broth onto the

940
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,120
carniform. 
This is all part of you know 

941
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,760
what we recommend. 
We did create some what we call 

942
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,440
easy chew Nuggets and that is if
I can remember correctly, the 

943
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,120
fish, the goat, the venison 
fish, the goat, the venison and 

944
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,680
the lamb. 
Those are we call them easy 

945
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,120
chew. 
They will absorb water. 

946
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,240
We add a little bit of baking 
soda to it to make it easier to 

947
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,720
bite. 
If your dog's teeth are old or 

948
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:01,480
small or weak, great. 
And it will absorb, it will 

949
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,000
absorb more water. 
We, we, we understand the 

950
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,320
hydration thing too. 
It's, it's not ideal. 

951
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,120
This is why dry food, you know, 
in general is something we have 

952
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,920
to be very careful of. 
So add the water, add the broth 

953
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,440
and keep the fresh water 
available. 

954
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,720
But carnivore regular Nuggets 
does not absorb water, right? 

955
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,000
It just, it doesn't because we 
just, we do. 

956
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,960
Here's our process. 
It's quick bake, it's long, 

957
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,600
cool, air dried. 
And that's what it is, right? 

958
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,960
It's very shelf stable. 
The dogs will Hoover it. 

959
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,000
They're very delicious. 
Make sure you feed water. 

960
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,360
And we have a lot of customers 
that say, oh, I just put the 

961
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,400
bone broth in with it, you know,
I just tore it on. 

962
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Yeah, that's what I was just 
thinking, like either like a 

963
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,200
bone broth or a goat's milk, 
because then they're not just 

964
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,240
going to leave the water in the 
bowl, like they'll actually 

965
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,200
they'll lift everything up. 
And they'll be fine. 

966
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
Yes, they will. 
But you know, keep in mind this 

967
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,680
is it's like the ideal thing is 
the story I told you at the 

968
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:03,880
night before Super Zoo when we 
were in that lovely store and 

969
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,200
speaking with the BK pets. 
And Juliet says Juliet used to 

970
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,560
say she's long dead now. 
But the best way to feed your 

971
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,720
animal is to go and kill a goat 
and bury it in the backyard and 

972
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,880
leave it to ferment for a week 
and then let the dogs out. 

973
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,800
So there's one way to feed raw, 
and if you have the backyard and

974
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,520
the neighbors that will allow 
you to do that. 

975
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,320
OK, go for it. 
And if you're not quite there, 

976
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,400
there's carnivore. 
What? 

977
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,360
Your bone broth, your goat's 
milk. 

978
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,240
Baby steps, Baby steps, you 
know? 

979
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,880
I love that story. 
I'm going to use that story so 

980
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,480
much because and and that is I 
will say the first nutrition 

981
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,440
certification I got, my head was
just thinning and I'm like, Oh 

982
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,440
my gosh, this is so complicated,
right? 

983
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Why is it so complicated to feed
a dog? 

984
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,840
And then I went through Doctor 
Billinghurst new certification 

985
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,920
program and I'm like, heavens, 
like it doesn't have to be so 

986
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,480
complicated is so simple. 
And he talks about the 

987
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,320
evolutionary diet is what he he 
calls it. 

988
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,400
And it's just, it is, it is so 
simple, but you have to be able 

989
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,080
to do it right. 
And so I am really excited 

990
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,520
actually to air this episode and
to let people know, because I do

991
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,400
get it all the time. 
What about a dry food? 

992
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,120
What about a dry food? 
And I'm forever have been like, 

993
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,600
I'm sorry, I can't, I don't have
one that I can recommend. 

994
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,040
And so I'm now I'm so glad that 
I do. 

995
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Yep. 
Yep, Yep. 

996
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,360
And, and I'm so glad that you 
found us and love to see the 

997
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,440
world changing in these 
beautiful ways where we can come

998
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,120
up with a good idea, make it 
available to people, soften the 

999
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,040
tone, everybody. 
It's OK. 

1000
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,960
It's OK to not know what to do 
right now. 

1001
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,760
It's OK to find something that 
works for now. 

1002
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,600
It's OK to learn, to take a 
course, to listen to a podcast 

1003
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,280
just to open your brain and go, 
OK, and maybe on this dog, 

1004
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,840
you're learning, but on your 
next dog, you'll have a down 

1005
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,000
pat. 
Like give yourself a pat on the 

1006
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,360
back. 
This is how we live, right? 

1007
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,320
And I just hate the negativity. 
I, I hate the you know, you 

1008
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,880
shouldn't. 
And I, I've had, I can't tell 

1009
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,320
you how many people come up to 
me with tears in their eyes and 

1010
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,840
say, I wish I had known. 
I didn't know. 

1011
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,880
And I take her by the shoulders 
every time when I say you did 

1012
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,280
the best you would and you're 
not at fault here. 

1013
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640
You were learning and it's OK. 
And look at you now, you've 

1014
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,840
heard something new and 
something clicked and you're 

1015
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,080
like, I get it, I get it right? 
And that's fantastic. 

1016
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,520
That's called life positive. 
I know, I know. 

1017
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,640
And I tell people all the time, 
look, I was there. 

1018
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,080
I was a kibble feeder. 
I took my cats into the vet. 

1019
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,840
They got their dewormer every 
three months. 

1020
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,440
They got their vaccines every 
year. 

1021
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,120
They like I did all the things 
that I thought was right. 

1022
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,600
And it just took that one, one 
thing, one, one thing, It's 

1023
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,640
different for everybody. 
It just took one thing for me to

1024
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,800
be like, wait, what? 
I think I know, I don't actually

1025
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,360
know, right? 
And I. 

1026
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Know right, that's, that's, 
that's called life. 

1027
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,320
I, I refuse to be a part of the 
negativity. 

1028
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
I, I have to, you know, I have 
to call a spade a spade. 

1029
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,560
Like, I'm not going to pretend 
that, you know, there aren't 

1030
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,040
some bad actors out there or 
some things that we need to stay

1031
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,800
away from, But I also know that 
there's a really loving 

1032
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,600
community of, of people who are 
just trying to do their best. 

1033
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Let's find each other and be 
kind. 

1034
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,040
There's plenty of room in this 
space. 

1035
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,440
You know, people asking, well, 
since you guys started your 

1036
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,040
business, you know, there's a 
lot of lot of companies now that

1037
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
are, that are trying to use 
crowded seeds. 

1038
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:13,280
And I'm like, can we be so 
numerous that we push the 

1039
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,200
kibble, the crappy kibble right 
out of the market? 

1040
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,760
Can we do that? 
Wouldn't that be amazing? 

1041
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,320
It would be. 
Yeah, your collaboration that 

1042
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,720
that is quote, I don't know who 
said it, but I often pull it up 

1043
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,800
and look at it because it it 
says that when collaboration is 

1044
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,320
at the top, competition is at 
the bottom, collaboration is at 

1045
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,240
the top. 
And that is exactly where I want

1046
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,800
my mindset to be. 
And that's where we want 

1047
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,600
everybody I talk to that their 
mindset is as well because it, 

1048
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,520
there is no making change if 
everybody is just in competition

1049
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,320
with each other. 
That's right. 

1050
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,080
Let's learn from each other. 
Great. 

1051
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,960
There you go. 
I'm excited. 

1052
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,120
This was such an uplifting talk,
thank you so much. 

1053
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so glad we actually got to 

1054
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,360
know each other in Vegas. 
Yes, me too, and I hope we get 

1055
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,240
to do more together and I am so 
excited to again get this 

1056
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,440
episode out and actually have a 
more versatile shelf stable 

1057
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,600
product to to be able to 
recommend to people. 

1058
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,360
And I'm just I'm so in awe of 
you for everything you've done 

1059
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,480
and all of the paths that you 
have created for just in the 

1060
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,480
healthy pet space. 
But for women, like that's a big

1061
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,040
thing. 
It's, it's they really like, if 

1062
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,560
you're not a woman, you don't 
understand. 

1063
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,640
But but I think most of our most
of our listeners are women, so 

1064
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,640
they all get it. 
Yep, Yep, Yep. 

1065
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,040
I'm very happy to do that too. 
I love going to the shows now 

1066
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,760
and looking around and all the 
entrepreneurs who are women and 

1067
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,960
I, Yep, when I was in my 20s, 
this was not the case. 

1068
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,040
But we we've come a long way. 
Awesome. 

1069
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,680
Well, thank you so much. 
And where can people find you 

1070
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,240
can follow you on social media? 
And then I guess Indy pet 

1071
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,760
stores, like if an Indy pet 
store doesn't carry it, please 

1072
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,640
ask them. 
They can order it for you kind 

1073
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,320
of thing. 
Then we have distribution all 

1074
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,600
across the US and Canada and 
elsewhere and they just have to 

1075
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,400
ask for carnivore and every pet 
store will know where to get it.

1076
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,400
And, and we like I said, we are 
not like we're not a grocery 

1077
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,840
store brand. 
We are an independent pet 

1078
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,200
retailers, small chains. 
That's where we we really enjoy 

1079
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,200
being with pet own pet store 
owners that have a knowledge of 

1080
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,360
what they carry in their stores,
right? 

1081
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,760
That's that's our goal and you 
can go to our website and 

1082
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,080
there's a ton of information on 
our website. 

1083
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,440
It's, we're revamping it. 
So keep your eyes peeled over 

1084
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,360
the next few months. 
You're going to see a really 

1085
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,800
beautiful new redesign. 
And we're going to simplify the 

1086
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,400
information because over the 
years I've added this article 

1087
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,880
and added that article and you 
could spend days on my website 

1088
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,360
learning about natural rearing. 
So go to my website, 

1089
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,840
justcarnivore.com, and you'll 
see all kinds of articles and 

1090
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,360
information and every piece of 
information you could possibly 

1091
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,520
want on all of our recipes. 
And, and like I said, stay tuned

1092
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,200
because we're going to have even
more information, but in a more 

1093
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:15,120
organized form coming soon. 
And yeah, social, Facebook, 

1094
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,960
Instagram, the whole thing, 
YouTube. 

1095
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,520
Yeah, I also will e-mail you and
ask you about the OR. 

1096
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,880
I'll try to find the link to the
homeopathy course on Dogs 

1097
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,120
Naturally so I can include it in
the show notes if people are 

1098
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,960
interested. 
Absolutely. 

1099
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,000
That's well. 
Thank. 

1100
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,600
Thank you again, Maria. 
And guys, thank you for being 

1101
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,480
here. 
Thank you for listening. 

1102
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,360
I know that sometimes we talk 
about the same things over and 

1103
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,280
over, and that's because it is 
so important. 

1104
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,760
And I appreciate you for being 
here. 

1105
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,320
And I will see or hear. 
Maybe you'll hear from me next 

1106
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:50,840
week, depending on where you're 
listening to this. 

1107
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,960
And please give your pets some 
extra love from me and Maria 

1108
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,120
this week. 
You bet. 

1109
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,200
Bye guys. 
Bye.