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Welcome back, pet parent. 
I am excited for today's guest. 

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We're talking about a couple of 
things that we have never talked

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about on this show before. 
And so let me go ahead and 

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welcome Doctor Zach Pilasov with
us on the show today. 

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Thank you so much for being here
with us. 

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How are you doing? 
I'm doing good, yeah. 

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But you know, I've been watching
a lot of the episodes you guys 

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have been out. 
So, you know, so far it seems 

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like it's been, you know, pretty
successful. 

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We've got some good people that 
have come on here. 

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So I'm happy to kind of be able 
to contribute. 

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Yeah. 
No, I appreciate it so much. 

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So you do a couple of things 
that I have not talked to 

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anybody about in the past. 
One is emergency veterinary 

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medicine and the other is fear 
free medicine. 

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And so I'd like to talk about 
both of those. 

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But before we get into any of 
that, I just like to hear a 

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little bit about you and like 
the back story and how you 

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became a veterinarian and do 
what you do all. 

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Right, pet parents, you already 
know that I talk all the time 

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about needing to stop as much as
we possibly can, feeding our fur

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babies garbage, for lack of a 
better word. 

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That's what we talked about here
a lot. 

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And again, doing the best we 
can. 

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That is the message above any 
and everything else. 

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You can always reach out to me 

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on Instagram. 
I'm here to talk to you all the 

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time. 
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That's TPPR 10 for 10% off. 
I'd just like to hear a little 

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bit about you and like the back 
story and how you became a 

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veterinarian and do what you do.
Yeah, for sure. 

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So, you know, so at least, you 
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starting at the very beginning, 
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definitely can resonate with a 
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feel like they understand 
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I don't know, human behavior 
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So a lot easier to understand. 
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of like one of the plans in 
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So, but what as a vet, you know,
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I'd say almost every single vet,
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route, conventional vet school 
and coming out of school had a 

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plan. 
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definitely a very opposite or 
different plan than at least I 

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thought I initially envisioned 
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So initially I had thought I was
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neurologist. 
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and started with and then found 
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probably just wasn't for me. 
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started to find an interest in 
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therapeutic. 
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that opened my eyes a little bit
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holistic therapies that could be
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with the things I've just been 
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school. 
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route of kind of finding that 
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intended for. 
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become a little bit obsessed 
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being something we should think 
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in the right setting, then that 
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the doors for me as thinking 
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one way to go about things. 
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that open mindedness allows me 
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start to see that there are 
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It's more about the proper usage
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You know, there's a time and 
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And so that's a model that has 
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both, you know, your classic 
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complement to some more 
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that I think makes sense in 
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Yeah, I, well, I'm glad you 
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obviously I have had people 
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I, I prefer to call it Kimberly.
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My dog, she's just going to take
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She's going to be my cat, my 
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Thank you. 
So I, I try to, me personally, 

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I, I have been really trying to 
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saying full spectrum hemp 
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And there's a lot out there. 
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full spectrum extract is kind of
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scenario. 
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different people who are, who 
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different ways. 
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me how the endocannabinoid 
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of the like, I don't go a night 
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it and giving it to my dog. 
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my cats. 
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know, they just, they are what 
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in like emergency medicine, how 
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your patients? 
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that goes into the cannabis 
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space, like it's not really 
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medicine is OK with. 
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emergency setting, I don't 
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But what I often have the 
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I'll kind of evaluate how a pet 
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they've tried historically. 
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like there's someone that is 
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options that may make sense 
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setting could be helpful that we
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I'd say, you know, in line with 
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allergic skin disease, that a 
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nowadays for whatever reason in 
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So, but you know, obviously 
anxiety is one thing that really

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works with a lot of pets. 
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of pets in cannabis or, you 
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something that has worked for a 
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So a lot of times, you know, 
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kind of open the door to that 
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room. 
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now there's a lot of regulations
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veterinarians in the country 
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actually discuss that a lot in 
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allowed to not only discuss it, 
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that actually defines that pet 
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practice, which is Nevada. 
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regulations that make that help 
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recommendations. 
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medicinal side, But for the most
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states or so, it's a lot. 
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what veterinarians can do in the
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you know, cannabis based 
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they have their hands tied 
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utilize. 
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recently got a letter from the 
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We're going to talk about that 
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But, you know, they're just 
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And granted, you know, there are
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on both sides with, you know, 
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to get political with the FDA. 
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difficult to be a veterinarian 
and to see something that works 

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so well and that you feel like 
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with your client. 
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stuff I got, you know, 10 plus 
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probably think about that have 
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reasons. 
Whatever one people in this 

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community want to hypothesize. 
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and I think that everyone that 
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things that are more natural has
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though a lot of things at work 
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both in in, you know, I guess 
more the media, but also 

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politically slight. 
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situation, you know, in Long 
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So you have to be smart about, 
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to educate yourself and, and 
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to say and what you are not 
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allowed to do and not allowed to
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And so I did kind of attack that
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I, once I knew that that's the 
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played. 
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hard to kind of know what I can 
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And so, but I can see it for 
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when, when they are hearing a 
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success stories, but they don't 
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And of course, it's, it's, it's 
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it's got to be a little bit of a
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going to take kind of the 
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and I found this out myself, are
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sometimes, you know, it, it puts
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So, you know, I can I can 
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mean, we talk all the time about
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vaccination. 
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chastised by multiple 
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vaccinations. 
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testing which just blows my 
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and heartworm and all the, all 
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tell you that it's going to be 
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food diet, even though you've 
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diet for 10 years and they're 
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wall. 
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side of that, like where you're 
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license and you want to keep 
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That really is, I mean, I, I 
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much of it, but I've been 
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things that always get, they get
dismissed with like no 

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consequences from the board. 
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nowadays, you know, there's 
really good people out there and

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then there's people that have a 
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mindset. 
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as a veterinarian because that's
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is like, you know, should we do 
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Is it worth it in terms of like,
are we going to get backlash or 

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is this going to put my life at 
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So, yeah, it's a it's a reason 
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our table, you know, would take 
a conservative approach about 

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wanting to be OK with things. 
I think there's also other 

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factors and, and, and and it's 
always independent. 

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I'm sorry, individual 
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So, you know, but it is a thing 
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most veterinarians minds. 
But but yeah, but I'm not right.

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So what is it? 
What happened that got you 

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interested in cannabis to begin 
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Well, so, yeah, so I was 
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neurology internship at that 
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You know, obviously, you know, 
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something that has responded a 
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cannabis therapies or cannabis 
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So I we're getting a lot of pet 
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also talking about seizure 
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the two main sections, brain and
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And so we see a lot of pets that
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seizure disorders as well as 
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promise with cannabis based 
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getting a lot of questions and I

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research, you know, on, you 
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more information that can help 
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actually has a legitimate side 
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topic with two different 
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Med, what's out there, which is 
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of papers. 
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that led to the snowball effect.
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really where I was like, oh 
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stuff because it looks like the 
medicine space has been secretly

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utilizing this since 1960s. 
Maybe that, well, maybe research

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since 1960s, but 1990s, you 
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ramped up, the research ramped 
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catch up. 
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Well, until, you know, 

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pharmaceutical companies figure 
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they're not going to let us know
about it. 

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Yeah. 
That's my opinion, yeah. 

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What's interesting is that it 
does so many things. 

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I definitely have used it for 
clients with seizure disorders. 

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I absolutely use it for anxiety 
like you talked about. 

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And then I have used it for 
pain. 

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I had a cat. 
I had to let him go last year. 

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Everything looked great. 

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indication I had. 
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and he had him angiosarcoma and 
it was like wow, out of nowhere.

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actually got THC that I mixed in

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with a full spectrum hemp 
extract. 

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manage his pain and that is what
he got did. 

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manage his symptoms, his pain, 
because he was totally fine 

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like. 
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all the time, animals. 
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It's just the pain that gets 
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And so it was more than enough 
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So I was actually just telling 
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last, the day that I had 
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euthanized because he was just 
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You know, how it, how it gets at
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You're like, once they once they
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you're just done. 
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bit and he thought he was 
Superman. 

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He was jumping off of like 4 
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And I'm like, dude, you still 
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But he was feeling so good. 
Well, that's good. 

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I'm glad he had a fun, you know?
Yeah, yeah. 

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He, he was feeling totally fine.
He was like, there's nothing 

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wrong. 
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say that like, obviously in the 
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I was a disaster. 
I was a mess, you know, just 

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having to let him go. 
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it and say that that gave me 
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fine. 
He he, if his body could have 

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held out any longer, he would 
have been fine for quite a while

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longer just on this without 
pharmaceutical intervention. 

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And to me, it's just like one of
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that's like, look what we can do
with what nature gives us and 

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not have to rely on, you know, 
anything else. 

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board. 
She was, she was so sweet. 

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She was like, I'll write you a 
prescription for anything you 

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want, you know, to keep him 
comfortable and do all the 

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things. 
But I was like, no, I think 

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we're good. 
I think, I think, I think we've 

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got this, you know, I mean, he 
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So it's not even like, you know,
yeah, it wasn't like, you know, 

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a 2 year old cat that you're 
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They have a whole life ahead. 
He's like, he was already 17 

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amputate or anything. 
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But anyway, I just think it's 
such an amazing, amazing tool 

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that I do wish that, but with, 
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regulations kind of kind of 
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You just can't. 
So I hate that, but I appreciate

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that that's kind of what drew 
you into learning more about, 

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you know, what holistic 
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And one of the more interesting 
things that again, I haven't had

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anybody come on the show and 
talk about is being fear free in

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the I don't know if there's any 
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especially considering like our 
pets just have a sense about 

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them that we kind of don't tune 
into a lot cats. 

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Oh my goodness, bring in a cat 
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clinic. 
It's just like they're they're 

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they're going crazy. 
But how? 

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Tell me a little bit more about 
like what fear free is and how 

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like what people can expect when
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fear free clinic. 
Say it 8 times over and see what

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happened. 
No, I know it's like it's a 

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tongue tire, but tongue anyway, 
So but yeah, I mean, so you 

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know, honestly the fear free 
aspect is something that it 

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just, you know, learning about 
kind of things like that. 

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Well, actually, honestly, for 
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honestly, it made so much sense 
because I've really only 

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understood animal kind of 
behaviors and patterns since I 

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was younger in the human side, 
like I said earlier, is they're 

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honest to me. 
So for me, it kind of made a lot

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of sense when I was learning 
about. 

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I know a lot of people, you 
know, kind of talk about it, but

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utilizing it in practice is 
actually a lot more difficult 

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because you know, like you said,
like it's a, it's an uphill 

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battle from the moment that they
get there. 

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In most situations. 
You're working in a very a place

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that has so many. 
Different stimuli that's it's 

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hard to you know say like oh 
this is going to be a comforting

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environment as best as I can do 
you know, not take not take into

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account the fact that, you know,
most of the pets that I see are,

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you know sick or uncomfortable 
to some degree. 

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You know, given that 
emergencies, what the fear free 

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side of it does really to me is 
provides as much comfort, 

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emotional comfort to a pet that 
we are here to try and help as 

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best we can, you know, and so 
there's a lot of things that you

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can kind of discuss and more the
focal aspect of the specific 

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things you can do in a situation
to try to, you know, carry out 

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that goal. 
But the goal for me when it 

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comes to fear free is like 
trying to express to a pet, 

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obviously non verbally, that you
know, you're here to try and 

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help them as best you can and to
hurt them as little as you can 

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in that process. 
You know, the emergency room is 

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insane environment that I find 
comforting, but probably no one 

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minimal people else do. 
So you know, So what we you 

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know, when we're trying to take 
a fear free approach, we're 

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really trying to understand, you
know, the the mental, physical 

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and emotional aspect of a pet. 
At least that's what I'm trying 

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to do. 
And, you know, figure out which 

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one of those is really the main 
factor as to maybe what's 

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causing this pet to a fearful 
experience at the moment and to 

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address that as best we can. 
So, and you know, that's, I like

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to break it down like that 
because there are, you know, 

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those are the three general 
categories that whether a human 

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or a pet is going to, you know, 
is going to be where they're 

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experiencing anxiety to some 
degree. 

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And really that's what fear free
is. 

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It's just I'm trusting a pet's, 
you know, I guess anxiety in a 

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way that they're creating this 
hyperalgesic state. 

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And how can we, you know, kind 
of mitigate that? 

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So you know, whether you know, 
you know, that's understanding 

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that you know, they're better 
with their owners in the room 

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when they're better without 
their own as a room. 

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Each of that's, you know, a 
situation, whether they have a 

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lot of built up anxiety pre to 
the to the exam or pre to, you 

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know, coming into the hospital. 
You know, that's a lot of 

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discussion that comes up, 
whether you know, they are an 

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animal that's in chronic pain. 
And that's kind of the reason 

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that, you know, they do 
experience a lot of fear when 

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they go to the vet because when 
they go to that cranking on 

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things, you know, and you're 
trying to figure out where the 

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problem is. 
And so, you know, it's kind of 

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understanding for me, like where
is a pet stressed or feeling 

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anxious and addressing it out of
those 3 categories and doing the

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best you can in situation. 
Because obviously, you know, my 

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team has a job to do as well. 
You know, we're trying to, you 

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know, solve a problem and, you 
know, kind of understanding that

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this pet is a living creature 
with thoughts and feelings and 

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emotions, but at the same time 
getting the job done too. 

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And so, you know, you do your 
best and you have, you know, a 

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lot of tools in your brain when 
you're trying to do that as best

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you can. 
But I think the teams that I 

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work with understand that that's
something that I prioritize, 

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that it's not just about getting
a pet and their family in and 

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out the door with meds or with 
tests on. 

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Like, you know, understanding 
that this is a living creature 

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too, That, you know, we should 
try to make it as least 

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stressful and as positively 
experienced as possible so that,

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you know, if they don't have to 
come back next time. 

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That, you know, they're not 
terrified, that they understand 

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to some degree that we're trying
to help and that we're allies. 

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Yeah. 
And I think, well, I know it 

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actually starts at home. 
It starts with a pet parent. 

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You know, getting in the car 
should be for more than just 

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going to the veterinarian's 
office, right? 

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So like, you're not making that 
experience bad all the time. 

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And for cats, you know, making 
sure they're used to their 

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carrier or for a dog, like if, 
if you know, they need to be 

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used to being in a crate, right?
Like, because you just never 

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know when, when they're going to
have to be put in a, in a 

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kennel, in a, in a vet office 
or, and, and that they're 

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comfortable being touched. 
It really starts at home. 

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Like you have to be able to to 
do these things with your Pets 

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at Home first so that it does 
get a little bit easier when 

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you're in a vet office. 
But some of the things I've seen

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and I'm just curious, like what 
it translates like for you, 

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especially in emergency 
medicine. 

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I've seen obviously there are 
cats only clinics. 

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I've seen clinics where like 
literally one side just has cat 

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rooms. 
The other side just has dog 

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rooms. 
There's like, you know, 

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pheromone diffusers. 
What kind of things are are you 

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utilizing there? 
Yeah, no, actually, I mean, 

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those are some really good ones 
that we that a lot of then 

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officers will try to utilize 
them in the first, like you 

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said, is, is basically 
understanding that cats are not 

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small dogs and that anything 
that's not a cat or a dog maybe 

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prey to one of those two. 
So, you know, if you do work 

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with animals that are different 
species that, you know, 

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understanding the 
interconnectivity between them, 

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not alone, not, you know, not 
just that they're pets and 

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you're not pets. 
So, you know, that's a really 

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actually what I think is a super
important situation to 

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understand and, and knowing 
that, you know, if, if that's if

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you are commingling different 
types of species in the front of

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the the hospital or in the back 
of the hospital, that they 

443
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,520
should be separated. 
So not only just in the front 

444
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,640
aspect, but in the back. 
You know, I've worked with many 

445
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,560
clinics where there's just a 
specific cat ward or there's a 

446
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,280
specific cat exam room that will
be much quieter, that will try 

447
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,120
to be soundproof so that they're
not hearing the dogs barking all

448
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,640
the time. 
I mean, if they don't have that,

449
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,240
you know, a lot of again, that 
people have worked with me that,

450
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,280
you know, that I usually try to 
put cats in the back of the 

451
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,080
clinic if they're not, you know,
obviously very sick. 

452
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,320
You know, we don't keep tapping 
them. 

453
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,240
But if it's possible, you know, 
if there isn't another room or a

454
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,800
cat where that I can separate 
them that, you know, the anxious

455
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,240
cats or the scared cats. 
Not all cats are scared. 

456
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,040
And actually we have that's my 
show this week actually that 

457
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,760
were like we were like, wow, 
this is like a dog. 

458
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,440
That's so weird. 
But you know, but in terms of 

459
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,720
behavior, but you know, we will 
try to that is something that's 

460
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,040
actually, it seems like a simple
goal, but to understand that 

461
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,600
these are different species, but
different relationships between 

462
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,840
them. 
Understanding that cats should 

463
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,960
be separated from dogs, not only
just for visual reasons, but for

464
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,840
sound reasons, small reasons, 
etcetera. 

465
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,160
So, you know, with cats, that's,
you know, one thing that we 

466
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,520
really try to do with the and in
addition to that, you know, if 

467
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,480
we don't have that opportunity, 
like trying to create a safe 

468
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,960
space for them, so covering 
their their cages or having the 

469
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,840
windows so that they're only one
way, if they're any cat warts 

470
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,240
that they can't see what's going
on out there. 

471
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,240
But they cats like to be kind of
recluse away from situations. 

472
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,320
You know, more often dogs more 
often, not always, but more 

473
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,280
often dogs want to be involved 
with or being able to see 

474
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,040
situations. 
You know, those are a couple of 

475
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,760
things that are good points, you
know, and you know, outside of 

476
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,160
the pharmacologic side, because 
a lot of times, you know, when 

477
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,000
we talk about fear free, I feel 
like the first thing people talk

478
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,720
about is pharmacology or or 
supplements help control 

479
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,240
anxiety. 
And like, so I think that the 

480
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,120
other point you mentioned is 
actually an excellent one that I

481
00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,360
do talk to pet parents a lot 
about. 

482
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,320
If, you know, if pet comes in 
super nervous or anxious, is 

483
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480
that, you know, a couple of 
things you could try at home to 

484
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,720
kind of get them used to this 
situation, which, like you said,

485
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,400
was starting early with taking 
pets on, you know, drives or in 

486
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:21,240
car rides or getting them used 
to the, you know, the the 

487
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,320
carrier or, you know, even the 
simple fact of putting the leash

488
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,400
on and walking towards the car 
versus walking on a walk. 

489
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,880
Like they may see like, Oh my 
gosh, like we're putting leash 

490
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,920
on where we're going towards a 
car. 

491
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Like I'm about to get stabbed 
and, and, and stretched and 

492
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,160
poked. 
So, you know, that that's 

493
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,560
something that, you know, we 
should desensitize to over a 

494
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,760
period of times. 
Yeah, I mean, you made a several

495
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,720
good points as well. 
You know, so I think that those 

496
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,000
are those are all things that we
tried to do or at least propose 

497
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:56,360
to do to try and help an animal 
to not basically associate going

498
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,960
in the car, going to that office
as a torturous event. 

499
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,800
So, but you really do your best 
What it's about, it's being and 

500
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800
it's about being proactive 
actually is the last part of it 

501
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,280
starting early. 
Yeah, I've, I've even had 

502
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,480
suggested to people to take 
their pets to, like, call first 

503
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,680
to make sure, like whoever's at 
the reception desk can actually 

504
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,600
manage and handle. 
And it's not like a crazy 

505
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,320
situation when you walk in. 
But to take your dog 

506
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,160
specifically to the vet's office
just to walk in, to let the 

507
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,160
people at the front desk love on
them, tell them they're a good 

508
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,800
boy or a good girl, give them a 
treat, maybe weigh them and then

509
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,240
leave. 
Like so that they're not always 

510
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,600
associating the vet's office 
with being poked and being 

511
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,240
prodded. 
Yeah. 

512
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Exactly. 
Yeah, I don't think anyone at 

513
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,520
about of us would, you know, 
would make anyone feel bad about

514
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,400
that. 
I think actually people would 

515
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,640
say we should do this more often
because, yeah, I think it would 

516
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,520
help a lot. 
And, you know, it's, you know, 

517
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,200
maybe it's out of your way for a
couple minutes, but it could 

518
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,080
make a world difference for a 
pet, you know? 

519
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,080
Yeah. 
And again, like I, I can only 

520
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,480
imagine that it is that much 
harder to do in an emergency 

521
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,200
setting. 
What how did you get into 

522
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,240
emergency? 
I mean, for me, from my 

523
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,560
standpoint, just from everything
I know, being more holistically 

524
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,560
minded, the training that 
veterinarians get in vet school 

525
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,960
I think is perfect for emergency
medicine. 

526
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Like that's, that's what you're 
trying to do, you know, 

527
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,040
diagnostics and emergency 
medicine. 

528
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,400
But like, from your viewpoint, 
having actually gone through vet

529
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
school, how did you get into 
emergency medicine? 

530
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,360
What? 
What sent you down that path? 

531
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,720
Well, you know, I guess you 
know, in vet school, it's kind 

532
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,120
of interesting, I guess just to 
kind of touch on that point in 

533
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,440
vet school, what I find actually
is that most, at least my 

534
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,760
experience and what I would say 
is probably majority of 

535
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,200
experiences that vet schools for
the most part push you to be a 

536
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680
specialist. 
And that the non specialized 

537
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,800
primary care doctor and the non 
specialized emergency doctor are

538
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,560
kind of like not too much talk 
about maybe I'd say that you 

539
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,240
know, where you spend a lot of 
your time, like on your 

540
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,720
rotations in that school. 
I'd say I spent probably the 

541
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,240
most on emergency so I could 
that is something that does 

542
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,880
happen, I guess if you don't 
overtly like asked to be on a 

543
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,480
different speciality service for
more than that. 

544
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440
But I definitely would say that 
that was kind of a natural 

545
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,360
thing. 
I mean, for me, I went back to 

546
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,400
emergency because my internship 
actually, which I always prior, 

547
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
I always promote to 
veterinarians is to always do an

548
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,080
internship if you can the year 
after that school. 

549
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,440
You know, in human medicine, you
do either 3 or 4 year residency 

550
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,960
no matter what, you know, after 
school, which I think is 

551
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,840
important because you don't get 
really any hands on clinical 

552
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,560
experience in that school. 
You get observatory clinical 

553
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,840
experience and maybe get to do 2
surgeries on the, you know, on 

554
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,680
unless you, you know, do an 
extra, you know, an 

555
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,960
extracurricular couple weeks 
where you get more experience 

556
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,400
with that. 
But you know, you're really 

557
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440
observing for the most part and 
being included in the most basic

558
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,920
of aspects when you're at 
school. 

559
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,520
It's an internship is where I 
was thrown into the gauntlet and

560
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,400
I went to a very difficult 
internship and which I'm super 

561
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
grateful for because I think 
that it, you know, it prepared 

562
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,960
me for the world much quicker 
than if I would have went to one

563
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,920
that was less interactive, even 
though it was a little bit 

564
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,920
challenging at times with, you 
know, an asterisk next to a 

565
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,720
little bit. 
But but you know, Invesco, I 

566
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,360
think that really appreciate to 
be a specialist. 

567
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,440
And if you don't become a 
specialist, which is the mindset

568
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,760
that a lot of people come out 
with, then it's like, well, then

569
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,440
you're just going to be another 
one of these vets that are 

570
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,080
primary care or emergency 
medicine. 

571
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
It's almost like it's downplayed
is not as important. 

572
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,920
So, so, you know, become an 
emergency veterinarian for me 

573
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,200
was actually a consequence, 
though, of failing to become a 

574
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040
specialist or failing to find 
comfort error or I'm sorry, 

575
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,880
planning to find passion to 
become a specialist. 

576
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:55,120
And so my internship was in like
a, a very advanced emergency 

577
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,040
specialty hospital up in Boston.
And so, you know, I still got 

578
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,480
exposure to a lot of the 
specialties and I definitely, 

579
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,760
you know, was still in the path 
of becoming one or wanting to 

580
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,400
become one at that time. 
But what we did there was 90% 

581
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,480
emergency medicine. 
So I found it fun. 

582
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,840
You know, it's definitely a lot 
of Saturdays than happier days 

583
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,600
in Merchant and that's a 
guarantee. 

584
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,400
But you find find comfort in 
what you can address or can 

585
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,160
treat and sometimes even cure, 
which is not always easy. 

586
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,360
Which is weird to say that you 
know most of the things you see 

587
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,640
you you can't cure. 
But because you're seeing a lot 

588
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,800
of pets that are mostly in the 
end stages of things or have 

589
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,320
gotten far advanced, you know 
the ones that are wins. 

590
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:44,440
You take home as best you can 
and you try to see it as the 

591
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
ones you can help the most. 
You try to help the most of the 

592
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,280
ones you know. 
Maybe, you know, you're here to 

593
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,440
provide answers at least or 
provide a palliative plan that 

594
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,480
you do that as well. 
You know, emergency medicine is 

595
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760
kind of taking your wins and 
prioritizing the battles that 

596
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,760
you came out on top and in the 
other situations, trying to do 

597
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,560
the best you can for the pet, 
even if it means that sometimes 

598
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:07,920
it's their last day here with 
us. 

599
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,040
Yeah, yeah, I can imagine that. 
It is pretty sad. 

600
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,200
I have such a soft heart. 
I don't know that I could do it.

601
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,160
But yeah, it's one of the the 
questions that I wanted to ask 

602
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:25,600
you was around like things you 
see coming in that maybe really 

603
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,160
aren't emergencies. 
One of my biggest pet peeves is 

604
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,360
with diarrhea. 
I feel like people freak out so 

605
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520
quick over their pets having 
diarrhea. 

606
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,240
And maybe you have a different 
viewpoint of this, but like, it 

607
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,920
happens and like, it's not 
always something to immediately 

608
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,640
run to the vet for unless 
there's like blood. 

609
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,760
But or if it's a puppy, you 
know, that's obviously they're 

610
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,520
much more at risk for 
dehydration much more quickly. 

611
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Like, I don't know, I feel like 
that's one of my biggest pet 

612
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,760
peeves with, with people is 
like, it's not always an 

613
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
emergency. 
Yeah, I think it's subjective 

614
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,520
like you just pretty much 
alluded to is that it's a 

615
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,960
subjective situation. 
Yeah. 

616
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:08,679
I mean, you know, diary happens 
to us and so we don't but but I 

617
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:10,040
could, I definitely could see 
that. 

618
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,600
But it is it's really 
subjective. 

619
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Like, you know, and that's The 
thing is that it was a pet 

620
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,760
parent. 
You know, especially more 

621
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,400
nowadays where it's like, you 
know, it's pet parent, but a lot

622
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,760
of people see pets as their non 
same species child. 

623
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,320
So, you know, a lot of you know,
with your kid, you're going to, 

624
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,679
you're going to educate yourself
as a pet, as a parent, you're 

625
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,800
going to, you know, overtime 
kind of look and research 

626
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,440
things. 
And so a lot of pet parents in 

627
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,239
this community actually do a 
great job of that. 

628
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
I, you know, through my 
telehealth comments have come 

629
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,560
across the parents that 
sometimes blow me away with how 

630
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,199
much research they've done and 
they are just looking to kind of

631
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,760
consolidate that. 
And so, you know, a lot of times

632
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,639
they know as much as me in some 
situations on topics. 

633
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,360
So I'm like, well, it's really 
impressive. 

634
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,360
But but at the same time, you 
know, it's and, and so that's 

635
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,560
just a testament to like, you 
know, pets, pet parents can be 

636
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480
super educated sometimes as much
as veterinary can a lot of 

637
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,360
topics. 
So diarrhea is a subjective 

638
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,240
situation, right? 
And and that's one that you can 

639
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,400
research. 
So, and I think I did a, I think

640
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,400
I did a video or guide, but I 
know a few vets have also kind 

641
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,160
of put videos out in terms of 
helping to triage at home, You 

642
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,320
know, triage at home when when 
diarrhea is a situation that 

643
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,880
does, you know, may be 
responsive to some at home 

644
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,280
therapies. 
And then what? 

645
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,080
It may be something that doesn't
see about. 

646
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:31,160
I know that I can't remember it.
I know Doctor Katie Woodley puts

647
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,560
a lot out around that. 
That's exactly what I was 

648
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,080
thinking about. 
Yeah. 

649
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,120
She has a bunch of blogs and 
stuff I've read with her things 

650
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,960
and she has a great article 
actually that has several 

651
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,680
supplements on that you can have
on hand at home. 

652
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
I also have a few that, you 
know, I've included. 

653
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680
I like a linterium social media 
that I have a couple of 

654
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,120
companies that are some good 
products I like to have at home 

655
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
for nonspecific diarrhea or 
loose stools. 

656
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200
But but yeah, I know if it's a 
couple things you mentioned, if 

657
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,320
it's like a young puppy, 
especially if they're like in 

658
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,320
the midst of their vaccination 
series, their puppy series where

659
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,280
they may not believe fully 
protected from some things. 

660
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Or, you know, a pet start 
starting to have, you know, a 

661
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160
good amount of blood in it in 
the stools as well. 

662
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Or, you know, they haven't eaten
for, you know, a day and 1/2 as 

663
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,040
well as having diarrhea. 
Like those are situations, like 

664
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,120
you said, where you know, you're
setting up not only for 

665
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,320
diarrhea, but that you may not 
be able to get the fluids in 

666
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,760
that you need to match what 
you're losing. 

667
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,760
But yeah, it's a subjective 
call. 

668
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,960
And so I think you're right that
there are a lot of times that, 

669
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,840
you know, some symptoms at home 
can be addressed with 

670
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,480
supplementation and diarrhea is 
a really a really good one to 

671
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,560
bring up. 
And you know, you're looking for

672
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,920
other things that can be 
addressed, but it is subjective 

673
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,000
call. 
But but there are resources out 

674
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,080
there, preference I think to 
kind of help them, you know, 

675
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,360
triage at home and figure out, 
you know, what's the best 

676
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440
solution at the time. 
Yeah. 

677
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,880
Well, what are some things that 
I mean, I'm, I guess I'm curious

678
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,960
as to like what you're seeing 
now. 

679
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
What do you see come in a lot? 
Well, right now, I'd say 

680
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,000
vomiting, diarrhea has always 
been the ruin. 

681
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,000
That's how we see that all the 
time, you know, but you know, 

682
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,920
out of that list, you know, I 
could create 12 or 14 different 

683
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,760
things that can got you there. 
You know, whether they're GR 

684
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,360
will not. 
So that's a puzzle piece aspects

685
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,400
for for me, at least for us is 
that's just like saying like, 

686
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,120
OK, this I have, you know, three
dogs just came in for the same 

687
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,800
symptoms and, you know, each one
of them may have a different 

688
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,360
reason why. 
You know, one might have eaten a

689
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,080
sock, one might have a history 
of food sensitivities, one may 

690
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,800
have a gallbladder infection 
that's causing them secondary 

691
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
vomiting and diarrhea. 
So, you know, that's kind of a 

692
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,560
puzzle piece aspect. 
That is our job as the vet side.

693
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
And when a pet parent comes in 
with the situation. 

694
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,680
And so, you know, out of those 
three, you know, the, the, you 

695
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,080
know, well, we'll say it's just 
diarrhea alone, like the one in 

696
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,280
the middle, the food sensitivity
pet, you know, maybe that one 

697
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,240
could have been addressed at 
home with some supplementation 

698
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,760
or fasting the pet for 12 to 18 
hours and offering just liquids.

699
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040
And then the other two obviously
are, you know, different 

700
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,680
situations, one's situation, 
one's a medical situation, so. 

701
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,280
For. 
Sure. 

702
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,600
But yeah, so vomiting, diarrhea 
is probably always been #1 you 

703
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,960
know, we see a lot of pets. 
I see a lot of trauma pets. 

704
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,440
I really like trauma pets like I
like, but you know, I like, I 

705
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,400
like dressing those the most, to
be honest. 

706
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
But we see a lot of trauma 
that's kind of like a common 

707
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640
thing we'll see, you know, out 
of that. 

708
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,280
It's a mixed bag, you know, pets
coming in for, you know, pain 

709
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,720
that, you know, it's hard to 
figure out where it's from. 

710
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,560
You know, we see a lot of pets 
that have like different 

711
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,040
hormonal, endocrine disorders. 
You know, some diabetic pets, 

712
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,040
you know, think, you know, if 
they have different levels of 

713
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,800
diabetes, that's control. 
That's a common thing. 

714
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,160
We'll see you see some affair of
like neurologic conditions, you 

715
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,080
know, whether it is seizure 
related or spinal related. 

716
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,440
I work down in Florida a lot. 
So even though I travel, you 

717
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,640
know, full time for work up and 
down the East Coast Florida, 

718
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,360
there's there's a cane toads or 
buffo toads down there where and

719
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,680
they are like everywhere. 
So we get a lot of pets, I'd say

720
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,800
at least one, one to two at 
minimum a week, sometimes 1A day

721
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,400
of pets coming in because of the
pet even licks that toe. 

722
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,440
They have seizures pretty, 
pretty at least. 

723
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,960
So toxicities we see, you know, 
pets eating things they 

724
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,280
shouldn't that have different 
toxic variables. 

725
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Yeah, it's a mixed bag. 
But I honestly would say vom and

726
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,880
diarrhea is always #1 and it 
probably will always be #1 So 

727
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,840
that's why it's good to, you 
know, at home as a pet parent, 

728
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,880
be like, hey, these are the, you
know, red flags I should look 

729
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,040
for. 
If I haven't seen, you know, 

730
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:27,240
these red flags, maybe I can 
kind of do some things at home. 

731
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,520
And then once you start seeing 
them, if when you start seeing 

732
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,720
the red flags build up, then, 
you know, good to come to that. 

733
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,320
But. 
Yeah, How much? 

734
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760
I'm curious because it is an 
emergency setting. 

735
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,480
You probably, you know, it's 
you're either like dead or 

736
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,240
you're pulling your hair out, 
right. 

737
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:47,040
And like, that's just kind of 
how how it goes, I'm sure. 

738
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,160
But how much? 
Especially considering there is 

739
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,080
so much vomiting and diarrhea 
coming in? 

740
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,640
How? 
How much do you actually get to 

741
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
talk to pet parents about gut 
health? 

742
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,600
Not much at all. 
And then that's why, you know. 

743
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,520
I think that was another reason 
why I kind of found a little bit

744
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:11,080
of interest in expanding my 
abilities to connect with pet 

745
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,680
parents outside of this merge 
setting. 

746
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,680
So yeah, the merger room, like 
you said, there's, I'd say 

747
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,600
depending on the hospital we 
work at, I work mostly at the 

748
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,240
busiest 1. 
So I don't really get too many 

749
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,800
dead nights or days because I 
guess most, I work mostly 

750
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,840
nights, but you know, I guess 
there's some days mixed in. 

751
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,360
But yeah, I have, you know, 30 
to 90 seconds to talk to a pet 

752
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,400
parent. 
And so, you know, and so it's 

753
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,400
it's really you know, what's 
going on. 

754
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,680
This is what I want to do, 
figure out what's going on if I 

755
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,720
can. 
If I can figure it out, I can't,

756
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,160
great. 
If I can't, then this is the 

757
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,680
next step. 
This is the person you have to 

758
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,960
talk to you like it's very rapid
fire. 

759
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:53,680
So Naked Pet, which is like my 
online business, that was 

760
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,960
something that I guess I was 
yearning for was to not only be 

761
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,160
educated in integrative holistic
therapies and, you know, talk 

762
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,440
about it. 
You know, in a situation like 

763
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,240
this, which is kind of what I 
was doing, I was talking at 

764
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,040
conferences and I was doing 
podcast, some of that, but I 

765
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,680
really kind of wanted to also 
make a difference with it. 

766
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,040
So, so that's where the, you 
know, the telehealth aspect of 

767
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,960
Naked Pet came into play, was 
getting more than 30 to 90 

768
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,200
seconds to talk about what do we
do after the acute event? 

769
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,600
You know, how do we create 
longevity or the best 

770
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,760
opportunity for longevity with 
where we're at right now giving,

771
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,520
you know, we have these certain 
things going on so. 

772
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,240
Yeah. 
Yeah, there's not much time. 

773
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,760
Yeah, I mean, I, I hate to say 
this, but it's just the truth. 

774
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,600
The worst experiences I've ever 
had were in emergency clinics 

775
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,880
and. 
Then, so you know, you don't 

776
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
usually go there voluntarily. 
Yeah. 

777
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:51,160
Well, I mean, just like I 
obviously this is not a 

778
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,560
reflection of you as an 
individual, but I have, I have 

779
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,480
had people and these are 
technicians usually because the 

780
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,920
veterinarian doesn't have time 
to have these conversations, you

781
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,720
know, tell me that I'm going to 
kill my pet if I don't put them 

782
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,400
on this prescription diet. 
Like literally you're just going

783
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,480
to like walk up in my face. 
We're going to kill your cat. 

784
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,720
And I'm like, this is not, this 
is not an OK situation. 

785
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,360
And I also had one of my dogs 
pass away at an emergency vet 

786
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,240
clinic overnight and they didn't
inform me. 

787
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,680
So I had some really like not so
great. 

788
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Not so great. 
Yeah. 

789
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,600
And I had, I had another one, 
another cat who it was at an 

790
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,920
emergency hospital. 
But they also had, they had like

791
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,120
residents there that were doing 
studies. 

792
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,520
And she wanted I I feel very 
strongly like she kept my cat 

793
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,080
alive because she wanted him in 
her study, even though I kept 

794
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,760
telling her to I was not going 
to put my cat in the study. 

795
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,240
That was that was a bad 
situation also. 

796
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,280
Exactly. 
I think I agree with this. 

797
00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:03,440
These are traumatic events. 
Yeah, so those are probably some

798
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,440
of my, my worst experiences, but
I still appreciate emergency 

799
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:08,680
medicine. 
We need it. 

800
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,840
It's it's it's there for a 
reason, right? 

801
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,280
Like, we, our pets, things 
happen. 

802
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,480
And heaven forbid your dog gets 
hit by a car and your vet's 

803
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,000
office is closed, right? 
Like that's when it always 

804
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:21,480
happens. 
Yeah, exactly. 

805
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200
No, I mean, I could definitely 
understand and I believe you 

806
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:31,560
100%. 
And yeah, well, the second one, 

807
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,040
I, I don't, I don't want to 
believe that one, but you know, 

808
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,200
at least for the first one, I 
honestly, what's helped me the 

809
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,480
most is a veterinarian is 
knowing that I'm here just for 

810
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,200
suggestions and that being OK 
with that. 

811
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:49,080
Like I find that, you know, you 
know, they want the vet 

812
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,920
industry, they everyone in here 
goes into it because they want 

813
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,840
to help. 
That's that's the way you 

814
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,400
express that verbally and non 
verbally is whether you're in a 

815
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,120
vet clinic, whether you're 
working at United States Postal 

816
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,080
Service, whether you're, you 
know, yeah, you're you're doing,

817
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,800
you're answering the phone for 
Apple. 

818
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,680
You know, that's the variable is
the way that emotional human 

819
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,680
emotion acts in situations. 
And so I definitely believe 

820
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,400
that, you know, the first one 
where, you know, you were told 

821
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,800
that your cat would die from a 
certain diet happened because 

822
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,840
I've seen it multiple times. 
I work with people that I know 

823
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,360
of said things like that. 
I'm just here for suggestions. 

824
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,880
That's the way I approach it. 
I'm like, I think this is the 

825
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,560
right thing to do if you don't 
want to do it. 

826
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,920
Like it's not my pet and that's 
OK. 

827
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,000
And that's on both sides in the 
emergency bedroom. 

828
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,320
No, and I'm make a suggestion. 
I make an estimated plan of what

829
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,280
I want to do. 
You want to follow it Like 

830
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,080
that's OK. 
Like it's not my, I think this 

831
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,000
is the right thing, but this is 
the best thing and can't do it. 

832
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,240
You don't want to do it. 
That's fine with me. 

833
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,120
Like I'm not going to make you 
feel bad about it. 

834
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,800
You can talk to get a second 
opinion and go from there, you 

835
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,920
know so. 
Yeah, yeah. 

836
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Guidance and I think that that 
allows me as like an individual 

837
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,000
as well to separate the facts 
from the emotions and you know 

838
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,880
this is what I think is the best
but emotionally am I going to 

839
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,880
get tied up in it I'm not going 
to get tied up because I got 40 

840
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,400
things else I got to do right 
now and so I think this is the 

841
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,680
best thing right now if it's not
then that's OK we can make a 

842
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Plan B or you can see you in 
regular vet tomorrow. 

843
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,080
I don't care with that like you 
know so I think that I'm a 

844
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,600
little bit fiery sometimes in 
ERS where people act emotionally

845
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,080
incorrect even though they're 
trying to do the right thing or 

846
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,960
say the right thing. 
So I'm sorry it's. 

847
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,560
A highly, highly volatile 
setting. 

848
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,000
Everybody you know. 
Pet parents are emotional when 

849
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,880
they come in to an emergency 
client. 

850
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:47,720
Sure. 
Yeah, there's so much emotion 

851
00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,920
that's going on. 
Yeah, yeah, well, tell me more 

852
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,000
about Naked Pet and what you 
have going on over there and the

853
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,200
telemedicine that you're doing. 
All right, pet parents, you 

854
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,480
already know that I talk all the
time about needing to stop as 

855
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640
much as we possibly can, feeding
our fur babies garbage. 

856
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,200
For lack of a better word, 
that's what we talked about here

857
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,320
a lot. 
And again, doing the best we 

858
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,600
can. 
That is the message above any 

859
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,080
and everything else. 
The more we learn, the more we 

860
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,880
know we need to make some 
changes. 

861
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,800
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862
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863
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So legacy Biome offers premium. 

864
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865
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867
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868
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869
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,680
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870
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,920
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871
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,240
mood, and even chronic disease 
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872
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,720
So if your pet's gut is out of 
whack, their whole system is out

873
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,040
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If you've learned nothing from 

874
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,360
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877
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878
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879
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882
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883
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884
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885
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886
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887
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888
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889
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890
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891
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So what's the next best thing? 

892
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893
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895
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897
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900
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901
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902
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You can always reach out to me 

903
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904
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905
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907
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That's TPPR 10 for 10% off. 
Well, tell me more about Naked 

908
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,240
Pet and what you have going on 
over there and the telemedicine 

909
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,080
that you're doing. 
Yeah, so Naked Pet was kind of 

910
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,800
me expressing my frustrations 
through a website. 

911
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,720
So, you know, so in the, in the,
you know, integrative holistic 

912
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:15,520
side kind of alluded to earlier,
you know, I'd say the number one

913
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,200
thing we were seeing is, you 
know, is the extreme rise in 

914
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,320
pets with allergies and or at 
least skin and GI based 

915
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520
disorders that were rooted in 
immune dysregulation. 

916
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,560
And so we know, with that being 
said, you know, I said earlier 

917
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,360
that I kind of fell the path of 
educating myself and then 

918
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,640
started talking about it, you 
know, through different means. 

919
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,760
But eventually I felt like you 
should try to, you know, join 

920
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,200
the that community that's trying
to make a difference with that, 

921
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,640
even though, you know, I don't 
really have a space to do it at 

922
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,280
the moment. 
So, you know, meaning like the 

923
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,080
emergency room, like that's not 
the space to do it. 

924
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,880
So I was like, Gary, well, you 
know, I can, I guess I, you 

925
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,360
know, I see a couple of people 
doing things. 

926
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,880
I started to actually was 
working with the Tel Tel off 

927
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,760
company that's for conventional 
medicine, and I was like part of

928
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,440
like their research aspect. 
So I kind of got exposure to 

929
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,560
that for a little bit and 
understood where Tel more like 

930
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,120
more telehealth. 
You know, it's a weird 

931
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,520
discrepancy. 
Again, kind of like the kind of 

932
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,920
a thing, but the verbiage in the
telemedicine or the telehealth 

933
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,960
space, you know, you have Tele 
triage, you have telemedicine, 

934
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,120
you have Tele radiology, a bunch
of things that are within it. 

935
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,880
But in terms of like telehealth 
is kind of like the overarching 

936
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,880
verb that or absurd word that 
you can use that the verbiage 

937
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,760
will describe anything you do 
via virtual communication. 

938
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,360
And so, you know, I was like, 
all right, well, I can probably 

939
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,560
utilize this in a certain way if
I use certain words or I don't, 

940
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,240
you know, make direct 
recommendations. 

941
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,000
We don't talk about certain 
topics. 

942
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,720
We can probably still talk about
a lot and so, you know, after a 

943
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,160
year or so of researching, you 
know, but what I could do 

944
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,480
through telehealth and in the 
same vein also, you know, with 

945
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,760
the allergy side, I really 
understood why in the vet space,

946
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,200
you know, whether it's 
conventional or realistic. 

947
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,040
We only talk about oral products
when it comes to allergies, 

948
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,320
stuff like that. 
Like if you have allergies, the 

949
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,920
human or immune dysregulation at
the skin barrier, like a lot of 

950
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,560
people you know who have that 
know that there's complementary 

951
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,640
topical treatment side to also 
the oral sides, not just oral 

952
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,280
meds are always taking. 
So those two things I kind of 

953
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,040
just brought together with naked
Pet or I helped with a very 

954
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,160
close friend who's a genius 
woman on the human space for an 

955
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,920
holistic topical therapy. 
She's like paramedical 

956
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,040
aesthetician and RN and very 
holistic minded for sure. 

957
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,360
Been friends with her for years.
Like we went and work together 

958
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,240
to create a product line for 
pets and then I worked on the 

959
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,200
telehealth myself and figured 
out what I could do and created 

960
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,160
topics that I thought I could 
provide significant value to pet

961
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,440
parents over virtual means and 
then create a website and 

962
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,080
brought the two together. 
And so that's kind of how Naked 

963
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,160
Pet was born. 
So, you know, we've kind of 

964
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,320
grown a lot since then. 
You know, I added a few things 

965
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,720
like added the tighter testing 
to that, you know, after the 

966
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,120
initial launch. 
You know, we, we do some more 

967
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,560
advanced testing now through a 
website, I'm sorry, a laboratory

968
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,800
called VDI where we can do like 
mycotoxin testing or gut health 

969
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,400
testing or even there's some 
cancer screening testing that 

970
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120
they have through there that you
could sometimes do heavy metal 

971
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,520
testing, you know, through 
certain means. 

972
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,880
You know, it's kind of expanded 
since I started out where there 

973
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,640
was just a couple of consults 
and you know, the naked pet 

974
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,360
products, we have a huge oral 
product company kind of 

975
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,200
affiliate group that I've slowly
vetted over time, added one 

976
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,360
company a month at a time that, 
you know, because I don't really

977
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,800
want to get into oral products. 
There's a whole laundry list of 

978
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,400
reasons why, but stick to the 
topical state of my lane on that

979
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,680
side. 
But, you know, obviously I use a

980
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,880
lot of supplements and 
nutraceuticals through the 

981
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,720
telehealth to kind of help pets,
you know, as you know, whether 

982
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,200
pet parents are looking to get 
away from pharmaceuticals or 

983
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,360
trying to minimize the amount 
that they have to give on a 

984
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,080
daily basis. 
So but yeah, it's kind of expand

985
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,640
into a three arm kind of 
situation with the telehealth 

986
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,160
kind of being the the center of 
it, the topical therapy line, 

987
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,720
you know, being utilized. 
And I'd say at least 50 percent,

988
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,600
75% of the pets I see through 
that console through the 

989
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,440
consultation side. 
And then slowly trying to create

990
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,840
a collected safe space of 
products that I personally bet 

991
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,480
it for safety and do believe are
effective to utilize through the

992
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,080
telehealth space, you know, 
whatever supplementation I think

993
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,000
is necessary in complement to 
proper diet. 

994
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,120
Yeah, I'm so glad you said diet 
because I was like, that's where

995
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,840
I was going because I. 
Of everything. 

996
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:33,040
It really, really is. 
And I mean, I that's, you know, 

997
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,840
the universe just brings you 
what it brings you and you're 

998
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,680
like, OK, I guess this is what 
I'm doing. 

999
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:42,760
And I mean, most of my clients 
are leaky gut. 

1000
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,320
I have so many dogs with SIBO. 
Shocked at the number of dogs I 

1001
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,240
have with SIBO and it's just 
like can't do anything without 

1002
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,320
addressing the diet first, 
especially with these dogs that 

1003
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:03,320
can hardly eat anything. 
You know the hour, hour and a 

1004
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,520
half, depending on what consul 
we do, you know at least 30 

1005
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,280
minutes, At least half of it or 
more is just about either. 

1006
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,600
What diets haven't worked? 
Which diets we could try, which 

1007
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,520
ones we have left, Which 
proteins are left, which, you 

1008
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,000
know, do we need a cooling, 
warming, you know, that's, that 

1009
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800
takes at least 50% of the hour, 
hour and a half every time. 

1010
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,000
So I definitely agree with you. 
It's the foundation and but it's

1011
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:32,920
also the least talked about I 
think in other settings outside 

1012
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,800
of like, you know, maybe what 
you and I are seeing, you know, 

1013
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,480
people seeing us so. 
It's, yeah. 

1014
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:45,680
Well, it's so individualized. 
It's hard to put that kind of 

1015
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,560
content out. 
I think because it is so 

1016
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,800
individualized, it's easy to put
a supplement or a nutraceutical 

1017
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,640
out and say this will do all 
these wonderful things, buy it, 

1018
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Yeah. 
Unfortunately, I agree with too 

1019
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,040
much. 
Everything's the next best 

1020
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,480
thing. 
For sure, for sure. 

1021
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:10,600
So I I guess you're still doing 
the telehealth currently, Is 

1022
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,120
that a thing? 
You're still Oh, yeah, yeah. 

1023
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,000
No, yeah, we all, Yeah, we, you 
know, we, we kind of initially 

1024
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,880
actually we got overwhelmed. 
We had too many consults at 

1025
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,680
once. 
So we actually have, we 

1026
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,520
published the consultation 
schedule one month at a time. 

1027
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,680
So that could we, we put out 
like 3 or 4 months and we're 

1028
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,440
booked. 
We're booked because I work in, 

1029
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,880
I work in the clinic 20 to 22 
days a month give or take. 

1030
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,360
And I'm usually flying between 
on my off days or either flying 

1031
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,680
or something, actually many 
times on my on days as well. 

1032
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,560
So we try to, I, I basically fit
in on any of my off days. 

1033
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,720
It's really when I do the, the 
consults or, or the hour before 

1034
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,080
I'm about to go work a 14 hour 
ER shifts, you know, So I'm 

1035
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,680
basically fitting into that. 
And but yeah, no, 100% we do it 

1036
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,040
all time. 
We right now is the hot season 

1037
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,720
for the tighter testing 
actually, right, You know, 

1038
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,120
right. 
February to April, because a lot

1039
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,920
of people are doing their 
Wellness exams with their pet 

1040
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,760
parents, which is actually, I do
support that. 

1041
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:12,920
I think that's the best time of 
year to do it. 

1042
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,440
And you know, before they go to 
see the vet or they're planning 

1043
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,480
to go see the vet, they, you 
know, they're the tire testing 

1044
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,600
is a blood draw. 
So they're like, all right, 

1045
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,920
well, I'm going to go to see 
that anyway. 

1046
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,320
So I'm like, that's perfect time
to do it. 

1047
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:30,720
And so we get a couple dozen of 
those, you know, over the last 2

1048
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,760
1/2 months, you know, we still 
do it all the time. 

1049
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,480
And you know, you know, I think 
that most pet parents walk away 

1050
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,160
with that feeling like they were
heard #1 and that they got some 

1051
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,520
sufficient value out of it. 
So for the most part. 

1052
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,880
Yeah, I, I mean that that's 
something that that we don't 

1053
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,600
talk enough about, like for 
sure, you know, being heard. 

1054
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,880
That's what I that's why I get 
so often from people is like, 

1055
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:06,280
I'm just glad you listened to me
and, and didn't shrug them off, 

1056
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,800
didn't say, oh, it's nothing, 
don't worry about it. 

1057
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,640
Or let me just give you this 
pill. 

1058
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,240
Like, you know, actually like 
listening to them because the 

1059
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:23,080
the bottom line is that yes, 
vets are trained you all of you,

1060
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,480
y'all, or you're trained and you
see so many animals that you see

1061
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,480
trends and you can put all of 
that together, but like nobody 

1062
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,760
knows an individual animal like 
their their owner does. 

1063
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,520
Yeah, no, for sure. 
I definitely agree with that. 

1064
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Yeah. 
So I want to thank you so much 

1065
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,600
for your time. 
And just ask like, if there's 

1066
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,480
anything else that we didn't 
cover that you wanted to talk 

1067
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,080
about or anything that you want 
to say to people listening about

1068
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,200
their pets or about what you do.
Yeah. 

1069
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,080
No, I mean, I, I think that 
actually that was a kind of a 

1070
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,360
good segue to in the closing was
that, you know, essentially 

1071
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,280
you're going to find people on 
in every walk of life that you 

1072
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,520
associate with or you feel you 
can assimilate to them. 

1073
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:13,480
So the same goes for, you know, 
your your pets health and 

1074
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,520
Wellness. 
You know, you, I think it's good

1075
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,520
to be for sure. 
You know, like we talked about 

1076
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,280
an educated pet parent as best 
you can. 

1077
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,440
And, you know, when it comes to 
kind of consolidating where, you

1078
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,440
know, you take all these things 
that you're hearing and you're 

1079
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,960
looking up and then trying to 
find what's best for your pet, 

1080
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,600
You know, finding, you know, pet
professionals that are in the 

1081
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:38,040
same thoughts category as you, 
in the same interesting goals as

1082
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,800
you, which can be harder than it
sounds. 

1083
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,960
But trying to find that as best 
you can is a good place to 

1084
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,400
start. 
Because, you know, like I said 

1085
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,720
earlier, you're not going to 
find people that you associate 

1086
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,880
with just right away everywhere.
So not being afraid to, you 

1087
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,800
know, try to find that person 
that in the vet space that is 

1088
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,280
going to listen to you and, and 
want to work with you as a pet 

1089
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,560
parent when you're trying to do 
your best. 

1090
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,320
Because I think they do exist in
all 50 states. 

1091
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,200
You just maybe have to find them
and yeah, may take a little bit 

1092
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,280
more work, but I think they do 
exist and they're out there for 

1093
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,240
you. 
Yeah, well, I appreciate that. 

1094
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,720
I appreciate you and your time 
in it. 

1095
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:22,240
And, you know, wanting to expand
beyond just what you learned in 

1096
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,040
vet school. 
I, I, I appreciate that so much 

1097
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,760
for our pets especially. 
So thank you again that you guys

1098
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,560
listening. 
I want to say thank you to you 

1099
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:33,720
for. 
For being here. 

1100
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,040
For listening, make sure to 
check the show notes for any 

1101
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,120
links for anything that Zach 
talked about and just give your 

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pets some extra love from both 
of us this week and I'll talk to

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you next week.