1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,600 How many times have you been told that you need to add this 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,560 vegetable or that fruit and we need to be feeding 20% 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,120 vegetation in our dog's bowl? How many times have you heard 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,120 that? I know in the last decade I have 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:22,000 been hearing it more and more and more and more and it doesn't 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,040 sit right with me. It hasn't sat right with me. 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,480 I know that yes. Are there benefits in the 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,880 sulforaphane from the broccoli for particular dogs? 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Yeah, probably. Are there benefits in the 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:42,400 antioxidants of a blueberry? OK, We know this for sure in 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,760 humans. Do we know it for sure in dogs? 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:51,160 Maybe with some dogs. A lot of what we know is based 13 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:59,840 on kibble fed dogs and there is so much to be said for the need 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,920 for learning different things for kibble fed dogs versus fresh 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,240 fed dogs. And not just fresh fed dogs, but 16 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:15,200 dogs that are fed high meat, bone organ content diets of 17 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:20,160 animals that are grown appropriately, meaning they're 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,880 getting the amount of sunlight they're supposed to get. 19 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,280 They are grazing on the grass, are supposed to be grazing on. 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,360 They're being fed whatever food is actually species appropriate 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,240 for them. They're being raised in a 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,840 regenerative way that is very natural for them. 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:41,200 That is the ultimate right. That is what I think we're all 24 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 looking to be doing with our animals. 25 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,360 And there are so many tangents that we can go down with 26 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:57,200 vegetable matter for our pets. And I have today's guest talking 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,240 to us about vegetable matter with dogs specifically. 28 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,480 And I'm so excited for this because this is Doctor Connor 29 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,800 Brady for our 250th episode of the Pet Parenting Reset. 30 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,160 I was so excited that he is joining me today and not just 31 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,960 joining me today, but to talk about this matter in particular 32 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,400 because boy, oh boy, does this differentiate. 33 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:33,480 This makes people go I am team vegetable or I am team no 34 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:39,640 vegetable. Like this is a topic that really 35 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:44,440 divides people and for good reason because we don't actually 36 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,520 know. We don't actually know, but 37 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,920 there are some things that we do know and that's what Connor is 38 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:54,720 here to talk about. This is also, I'm going to just 39 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,640 go ahead and say this because I haven't known how to say it, but 40 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,680 this is also why I'm moving away from providing complete and 41 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,680 balanced recipes to my one-on-one clients. 42 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,760 Can I still do it? Yes, of course I can. 43 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,400 Do I think it's the most beneficial for animals? 44 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,720 No, I do not. And so it's not something that I 45 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,640 am going to continue to provide for my clients unless absolutely 46 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:20,320 necessary. And I'm not sure when it would 47 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,640 be necessary, but you know, I have the ability if and when I 48 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,000 actually need to have that happen. 49 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,840 That being said, it's not my intention to be doing that any 50 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,560 longer. I just don't think it's actually 51 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,720 beneficial for our animals. And Doctor Connor Brady explains 52 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,120 a lot of the reasons why. I think we are missing the boat 53 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,640 when we do not feed whole prey. I think we are missing the boat 54 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,640 when we are not feeding the skin, the fur, the feathers, the 55 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:57,000 all the things of the animal that if you watch a dog or a 56 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:03,120 cat, any form of canid or feline in the wild, that they eat it. 57 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,680 And there's a lot of benefit to it. 58 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:13,920 So Doctor Connor Brady explains why in today's episode. 59 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,959 So please join me for I'm so excited for the 250th episode 60 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,960 with Doctor Connor Brady. And when you are done listening 61 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,880 to this episode, I would love for you to reach out to me, 62 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,480 whether it's on Spotify or Instagram or YouTube or wherever 63 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,360 else, and let me know if this changes how you think about 64 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,600 feeding your dog or your cat at all. 65 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,600 Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I don't know. 66 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,360 I want to keep this conversation going with you because it is one 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,520 of the most important conversations we can be having 68 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,200 right now, especially with all of the things I've been trying 69 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:56,640 to bring into 2026 with how we actually need to be treating our 70 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,600 dogs and cats like dogs and cats. 71 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,360 The circadian rhythm, the sunlight, the clean air, the 72 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,360 frequencies, all of the things that nature gives us that we 73 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,040 completely overlook. So without any further ado, here 74 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:22,040 is Doctor Connor Brady. Welcome to the Pet Parenting 75 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,600 Reset podcast. If you're new here, my name is 76 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,040 Jess and this is a space where we talk about all things health, 77 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,800 span, and quality of life for your pets and you too. 78 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:43,160 I'm so excited that you're here. Let's dive in right into it. 79 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:47,000 Welcome, Connor Brady, how the heck have you been? 80 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,360 Tell me about that beautiful little baby. 81 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,240 Happy belated birthday, all the things. 82 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,440 As you say that, my wife just sneaks that into the room, which 83 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,960 is a little monitor, and I'm like, where are you going, 84 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,280 Elaine? She goes, oh, I'm just heading 85 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,720 out for whatever. So if that, if the baby starts 86 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,800 crying, I'm going to have to go. So very topical. 87 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:05,680 You ask me. He's good. 88 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,360 He's good. Yeah. 89 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,520 Lovely little baby. Easy, easy going. 90 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,160 I've had two girls at the start and the boy seems to be very, 91 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,800 very simple character. So maybe that's reflective of 92 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,400 the whole difference in the sexes. 93 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,280 Maybe. Who knows? 94 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,880 But going well so far. I don't know. 95 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,240 Well, I I was the first boy and my mom had a boy next and she 96 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,360 has always said my whole life that boys are easier. 97 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,200 So what that says about me, I don't know. 98 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:32,240 Yeah, yeah, that was a very nice way of saying it to you. 99 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Yeah. Anyway. 100 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,320 We'll see. I know that we are kind of short 101 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,360 on time today, and I apologize for all of the delays. 102 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Yeah, this is this is such a big topic to me. 103 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:52,160 I I just want to hear you talk as much as you want about the 104 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,720 plant problem because it is we, we still have so much divide 105 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,520 around plants for dogs. Yeah, we sure do. 106 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Yeah, I did that talk last year. I said the plant problem. 107 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 And you know, in hindsight, I probably should have given it a 108 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,240 easier title because people hear things for the first time, uh, 109 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,360 particularly when you're at conferences and you're kind of 110 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,760 tired and you've got 4045 minutes to listen to this 111 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,480 person. And so, umm, it definitely kind 112 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,560 of startles people. We shouldn't feed plants. 113 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,240 And so I really hope people don't take that message away 114 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,400 from it. But as we, as I don't, you know, 115 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,800 another thing that kind of bothers me sometimes is that 116 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,560 there's a need to be dramatic these days. 117 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,800 There's a need to have the thing that's a problem. 118 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,160 And if you don't listen to this problem, it's a real hook. 119 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,560 It's how Instagram reels are done to your YouTube reels. 120 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,080 It's like, here's a problem that you don't know how to address, 121 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,600 but I do. And you're like, hmm, I do 122 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,760 actually want to know the answer. 123 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,120 And so that bothers me too. I kind of bounce off that 124 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,480 information. But I did see a great YouTube 125 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,280 video by a fellow called Doctor Paul Mason who does he's called 126 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,600 low carb down under is his YouTube title, YouTube name. 127 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,720 And he had a great video, real simple presentation, him stand 128 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,640 on stage and he just said, look, what do you know about plant 129 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,440 fiber? And you know, you think you know 130 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,000 stuff about plant fiber, but I never actually dug into it at 131 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,480 all. I never thought of it as a 132 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,920 really, uh, uh, gritty kind of, uh, topic for me to, to, to 133 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,200 spend much time on. And then he shows a few studies 134 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,960 that I was very surprised at. You know, he said, like, you 135 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,640 probably think that fiber bulks the stool with water. 136 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,200 And you would have thought that you would have thought it had 137 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,320 some sort of impact on that. He said, no, no, no. 138 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,440 The stools of humans are always between 70 and 75% water no 139 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,960 matter what is going on in your life, unless you're in some 140 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,720 disease state where the body's trying to flush something out or 141 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,480 something dramatic is happening. And I thought, hmm, I am 142 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,560 surprised because I thought if you ate a lot of fibre would do 143 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:47,600 certain things. And he said, no, the body will 144 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,600 always keep your stool at that because it's needed for the 145 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,120 speed of how things move through your body and how to get it out. 146 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,200 So, but he moves on from that. And he said there's a couple of 147 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:56,240 other things we don't understand. 148 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,040 We didn't know about fiber. What do you know about fiber and 149 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,040 Constipation? And he put up this fabulous 150 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,000 slide set of four slides. It was a famous study. 151 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,280 There's been loads of them. It's not the only one. 152 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,600 So it's not like an outlier of a study. 153 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,200 This is what the studies should say. 154 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,400 And for like 20-30 years, we knew that plant fiber, adding it 155 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,280 to humans diets, human diets didn't relieve Constipation in 156 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,840 humans. Now that's a big one because 157 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,680 it's like what I, I mean, that was the whole thing, you know, 158 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:29,000 from in the 1950s, some dudes, umm, what was his name? 159 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,400 Burke Wits Burke. It's umm he started L looking 160 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,600 around and why, why did people in Africa not get so much colon 161 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,040 cancer and hemorrhoids as people in the West were getting? 162 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,000 And that was because they eat more fibre, apparently. 163 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,240 Now he didn't ever did any studies on that. 164 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:47,240 And that kind of theme worked very well at the time because 165 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,800 the food pyramid had just been kind of created by the Kellogg 166 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Company and the, the 7th day evangelists who are a vegetarian 167 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,240 vegan, uh, group over in the US for people not in the US that 168 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,400 are listening to this. And the food pyramid was heavy 169 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,880 on carbohydrates at the bottom. We all grew up with it in 170 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,040 school, you know, lots of bread and pasta and grain at the 171 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,200 bottom and then veg and then meat and then day. 172 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:11,120 Today, if you flipped a thing upside down, you'd probably be 173 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,920 better off in life, although that's hard for people to accept 174 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,800 at the moment. But at the time, the whole plant 175 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,720 fiber, good fear guts idea was great for the message being put 176 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,920 out, which was eat more grain, which was great for, uh, the 177 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,320 American economy at the time, which was growing a lot of 178 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,320 wheat. The, the corn belt was coming on 179 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,240 side and they wanted to sell this stuff as much as possible. 180 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,520 And so, uh, the idea that plant fiber was good for Constipation 181 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,800 was just one of the parts of this thing, But nobody really 182 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,160 thought to test this. But a big review in the early 183 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,040 2000 said plant fiber seems to have little to no effect on 184 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,080 Constipation. And the main reason for that is 185 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,760 because there's about 12 different causes of Constipation 186 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,880 in your body. There is many, many different 187 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,720 reasons why you get constipated. And a lack of fiber, be it plant 188 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,080 or otherwise, is just one of the 12 reasons why you get 189 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,480 Constipation. The other 11 are nothing to do 190 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,560 with plant fiber. And so if you have Constipation, 191 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:06,600 it might be, well, which type of Constipation do you have? 192 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,120 Most of us eat some plant matter. 193 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Most of us are eating meat and there's fiber in there as well. 194 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,600 And we can talk about it later. But for that to be a lack of 195 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,880 fiber, it doesn't hold up with the studies. 196 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,160 But here was a study that he showed that. 197 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,600 And it's one of those studies that for me, when I see it, I 198 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,360 go, oh, well, that's that out the window. 199 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,840 It's like saying all Swans are white. 200 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,320 And then you see a Black Swan and you go, that statement no 201 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,800 longer holds. And what he showed was they got 202 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,960 60 or 70 of the worst constipated humans on the 203 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,360 planet. I mean, this people don't poo 204 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,840 for seven days. They have a lot of bleeding, a 205 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,560 lot of pain, a lot of bloat. I mean, utterly miserable life, 206 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,680 uh, with this issue, cannot imagine how bad it can get for 207 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:47,480 these particular patients. So the isolated 70 of them when 208 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,920 they said, OK, let's follow the dietary advice from, uh, Lucas 209 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,960 Direty about the CDC, perhaps in the USI don't know the NHS, 210 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,160 which is the, the health system in the UKHSE here in Ireland, it 211 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,040 doesn't matter. They all say the exact same 212 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,520 thing. Lots of plant fibre for good, 213 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,800 good health. And when you're constipated, 214 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,920 ramp up your plant fibre. That's the advice. 215 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,680 You can Google it. It's everybody, it's still 216 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,800 there. So they took these 70 patients 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,280 and they said, OK, let's follow the advice from the authorities. 218 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,360 They're hardly ever wrong about nutrition and let's ramp up the 219 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,200 plant fibre and see how we get on. 220 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:25,120 And he had 5 or 6 different bars for abdominal pain, rectal 221 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,160 bleeding blows. How often you're putting how all 222 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,920 these different symptom bars and they're all quite high in these 223 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,920 70 people. And he ramps up the plant fiber 224 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,520 and they and they are not he that somebody else did the study 225 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,840 and what happens all the symptoms, they increased every 226 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,400 single one of them across the board all went up from, you 227 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,600 know, high to really high. And he went bloody hell, this is 228 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,280 not boss. They told us on the pack. 229 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,880 They said if we rampled plant fiber, Constipation would drop. 230 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,520 You know, and that nice position dog, we see you peekaboo just 231 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,440 getting in on camera. It's like somebody's kind of 232 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,160 crashing yourself. But umm, so they rampled the 233 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,920 plant fiber and the and the Constipation symptoms got worse 234 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,480 across the board. All 70. 235 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,800 There wasn't a there wasn't like a group of 10 that didn't 236 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,760 fantastic. It was a completely, completely 237 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,280 aggravated their, their condition. 238 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,160 So they said, OK, that didn't work. 239 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,080 So the next thing that these scientists did was OK, you know 240 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,480 what, let's divide the advice by 50%. 241 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,520 Let's divide the plant fibre additions by 50% and just see 242 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,080 what happens. Because if we went up with more 243 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,960 plant fibre, what should happen if you cut up by 50%? 244 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,400 So they cut up by 50% and you get the the third slide and the 245 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,800 third slide is the symptoms fall huge chunk, huge drop off, maybe 246 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,320 say 50% is bad, but a big noticeable decline as soon as 247 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,440 you drop the plant fibre. And they went, hmm, OK, let's 248 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,200 see what happens when we cut plant fiber completely and move 249 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,320 to meat and, and, and dairy and all those sort of guys, 250 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,440 borderline carnivore diet, which is what people call it to say, 251 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,920 let's see what happens when we cut plant fiber completely and 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,000 what happens? All the symptoms. 253 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,120 He presses the next slide and nothing appears. 254 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,560 There's all the symptoms there and all there's no bars. 255 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:02,880 And he goes, this isn't a mistake. 256 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,400 Every single symptom in every patient went to zero. 257 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,720 And I was like, how can that possibly be with everything I 258 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,160 thought I knew about plant fiber. 259 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,640 How can that possibly be? Plant fiber is essential for 260 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,680 good health and Constipation and all this. 261 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,360 And he said, it's just not true. There is no evidence whereby you 262 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,520 take a random selection of people with Constipation, 12 263 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,880 different causes ramp up the plant fiber. 264 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:32,720 He goes, here's the truth of us. When you a stool mass, when you 265 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:39,920 pick up a, a, a stool, a poo, uh, about 30 to 50% of the 266 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,160 weight of that stool is dead. Microbial mass, dead bodies of 267 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:45,720 bacteria. It's incredible. 268 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,400 It's actually how a Hummingbird works. 269 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,480 Hummingbirds drink nectar, they drink sugar, OK, They don't eat 270 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,840 protein. They don't eat, you know, meat. 271 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,480 They don't eat peanuts, they don't eat vegetables. 272 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,200 They just eat sugar. So how does a Hummingbird grow 273 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,640 its protein? E body. 274 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,200 The whole thing you see in front of you here is made of protein. 275 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,480 Where do they get the protein from? 276 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,920 They farmers, they feed the bacteria in their guts and they 277 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,960 absorb the bacterial bodies and they get the protein they need 278 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,680 from those bodies the same way a cow works. 279 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,480 A cow eats grass. There's not a lot of protein in 280 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,160 grass, but they farmers and the bacteria not only produce cool 281 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,440 fats called butyrates, which power the cow, but they also die 282 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,720 off in huge amounts. And when they die off, they now 283 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 have proteins that they can absorb because bacterial bodies 284 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,640 are easy to digest. So that's how cows, that's how 285 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,360 hummingbirds do it. But when we eat lots of plant 286 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,440 fibre, what happens to, they say that 30, we say 30 to 50% of a 287 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,240 stool is dead microbial bodies. Well, it turns out that if you 288 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,600 have a high meat diet with not so much plant matter, it's about 289 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,240 30% plant body or, uh, microbial bodies. 290 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,600 If you eat a high vegan diet, it gets up to 50% bacterial bodies. 291 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,000 What's the point? Bacterial. 292 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,880 Bacterial bodies love carbohydrates and plant fiber. 293 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,960 And if you eat lots of plant fiber, you will grow more 294 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,680 bacterial bodies in your system because there's more food for 295 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,840 them to eat, and when they grow, they die off. 296 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,840 So what happens is when you eat more plant fiber, you produce 297 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,720 more poo, more stool. But if you're constipated, 298 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,080 producing more stool into the colon is not what you want. 299 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,520 I put up a picture of a dog's nose peeking through the fence, 300 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,040 you know, and there's a little hole and that the dog's nose is 301 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,560 just true. And I was like, it's not more 302 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,440 ass. This dog needs to get through 303 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,480 that little hole in the fence. You know, it's just, it's, it's 304 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,240 not more cars on the road. And so it's completely 305 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,240 counterproductive to give more plant fibre to a person that is 306 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,840 struggling to pass still, unless you're absolutely positive they 307 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,240 had a lack of plant fibre. If they'd been living on pure 308 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,880 white rice, pure starch, you know, with no fibre in it and 309 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,240 they weren't eating any meat where you get fibre from too, 310 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,000 then, you know, you maybe you might think, OK, plant fiber 311 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,000 might be handy, but in the patients that they've tested, 312 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,360 it's just not the case. So when I see a study like that, 313 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,640 I go, bloody hell, I have been completely thinking the wrong 314 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,560 way about plant fiber because I deal with a lot of constipated 315 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,319 dogs. That's like, oh, this put in 316 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,040 more plant fiber to help the dog. 317 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,920 Absolutely not. The very next place I went, and 318 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,720 I'll finish on this because I'm, I'm going off on one here, but 319 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,800 the very next place I went is something that I was already 320 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,240 familiar with and that was IBD dogs and particularly humans 321 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,880 with, with IBD. And what the studies show across 322 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,359 the board is you most cut out plant fibre. 323 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,359 And it's not just plant fibre, but what we think of, which is 324 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,240 like the fibre stuff in plants that help them grow rigid and 325 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,800 strong. It's not just those, there's 326 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,640 these other things that you might or might not have heard of 327 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,760 called Fodmaps. And Fodmaps is a, is a, an 328 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,840 anagrammist FODMAPS. And so they go saccharides and 329 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,640 polyols and whatever else it stands for. 330 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,040 And those Fodmaps or other types of, uh, hard to digest, uh, umm, 331 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,800 bits in plants, which are in the kind of fiber category, but they 332 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,080 also feed bacteria at a, at a furious rate. 333 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,040 And some people, they struggle really badly. 334 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,080 They'll grow a huge amount of bacteria quickly. 335 00:17:58,360 --> 00:18:00,800 So what happens is you get this bloom of bacteria in your small 336 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,440 intestines, which results in a lot of gas. 337 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:08,880 So plant fiber Fodmaps, uh, have to be reduced, uh, to virtually 338 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,720 0 in patients with IBD, human patients with IBD. 339 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,480 And this is not even up for debate. 340 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,560 If you type in any IBD studies, don't go to the government 341 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,120 websites, You go to any study and type it in. 342 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,680 It's like, umm, in these studies. 343 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,320 And even the authors themselves will say, well, we reduced plant 344 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 fibre or Fodmaps and their issues fall away. 345 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,240 And then of course, as soon as the patients recover, what we 346 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,880 do, but we put plant fibre back in again because plant fibre is 347 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,000 so important for your health. And so these IBD patients go up 348 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,200 and then cut it out and move up back up again and back, as we 349 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 all see with IBD cannot get on top of it if you're with 350 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,520 conventional, conventional doctors because they're so sure 351 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,560 plant fiber is good for health. Finally, the last nail in the 352 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,880 coffin was the colon cancer study that came out about half a 353 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,120 year before I I did the talk. I was driven to do a talk and 354 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,480 that was plant fiber has no effect on colon cancer. 355 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,160 Plant fiber intake. That's a review of hundreds of 356 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,640 thousands of people. It was utterly enormous. 357 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,160 There are small studies that disagree with that, but when you 358 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,360 look at the large ones, they don't. 359 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,560 So and the things that I thought were absolute concrete, I didn't 360 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,640 need to look at, you know, like water stops you being thirsty 361 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 type facts. I just assumed the things about 362 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,720 plant forever and I thought, wow, they really don't apply 363 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 because I, I knew about plant forever IBD, but not the 364 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,560 Constipation, but not the colon cancer. 365 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,200 But, and I was like, wow, if I don't know this about human 366 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,680 nutrition and plant fiber and human nutrition, what do we not 367 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,200 know? What do we know or is going on 368 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,640 in dogs? How, how could dogs possibly be 369 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,280 better with plant fiber than us? I mean, we are meat and plant 370 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:40,920 eaters. We have longer digestive 371 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,560 systems. We have, we have sequins, we 372 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,200 have like a slow digestive system full of bacteria like 373 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,760 Lactobacillus and Biffle that want to digest this fibre. 374 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,280 Dogs are meat eaters, smooth, like a pipe, foop, very fast. 375 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,800 It's not a fermentation kind of chamber, it's more of a 376 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,840 digestion. They focus much more heavily on 377 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,240 digestion. Acidic guts and bigger 378 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,800 gallbladders, bigger pancreas, enzymatic digestion of this easy 379 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,320 to digest meal. Yes, they ferment some bits and 380 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,720 pieces. Not so much plant fibre, 381 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,560 although perhaps little bits and pieces. 382 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Who knows. And but it's not there for plant 383 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,600 digestion. Our body is more is better at 384 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,480 that. And then of course, a cow being 385 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,480 even better because it's even longer with more dead ends and 386 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,440 whatever. So how could a dog be better 387 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,880 with plant fiber than us? And it turns out they absolutely 388 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,840 aren't. Studies show when you feed plant 389 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,120 fiber, the dogs, they struggle to digest really key nutrients. 390 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,800 The most important one. They're hopped off the page very 391 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,920 quickly. God, you're right saying you 392 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 just have to wind me up because this topic really winds field. 393 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,120 I'm sorry. But this last bit, this last 394 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:44,640 bit, if I could just say some of the most important, uh, studies 395 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,600 on kind of adding plant fiber to dogs is yes, it slows down the 396 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,080 passage of digester through them. 397 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,600 Is that necessary for a meat eater? 398 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,200 Is that beneficial for them? Nobody thought to check, but 399 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,480 when they, uh, because it's good for humans, we thought, oh, it 400 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,800 might be good for dogs, but they've a different throughput. 401 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,680 And, but what happens is plant fiber binds bile acids. 402 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,240 So carnivores work slightly differently to us. 403 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,600 They have taurine conjugated bile, so the bile that they're 404 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,800 little there beside them, underneath the, the, the from 405 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,640 the gallbladder, uh, releases boil and it's taurine conjugated 406 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,800 boil. And when it gets into the body, 407 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,760 it digests the, any spare bits of taurine that are around from 408 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,360 the fat and then they bring it back in again. 409 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,320 It's like a little cycle. And taurine is the most 410 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,640 important nutrient in meat eaters, how their antioxidant 411 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,920 system runs. And when you give them plant 412 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,320 fibre like beet pulp or all the other leftovers of the human 413 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,920 food industry that they pump into dry pet food, and when you 414 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,680 feed a lot of that to dogs, their ability to reabsorb 415 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Taurian plummets. And so if you're worried about 416 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,080 DCM and dogs, which kills, you know, huge amounts of dogs each 417 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,200 year, I think a million dogs a year of your 90 million in the 418 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,880 US die of DCM. It's from a Lacatorian. 419 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,520 Now, is it a Lacatorian they put in the pet food? 420 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,400 It sure was in the 1970s. They stopped putting me 421 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,080 completely into pet food. And then they realized all these 422 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,880 10s of thousands of cats and dogs died at the time, and they 423 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,000 realized, hmm, bloody hell, we're not there. 424 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,880 Well, there's something's going wrong. 425 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,080 And then they realized there was a lacatorian and they said, Oh 426 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,080 no, we add Taurian to our food. Well, it would have been great 427 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,000 if you just gave them meat. But instead they say Taurian. 428 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,600 That's why I say cats need taurians. 429 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Like what? Cats need meat and that was the 430 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,480 whole advent of AFCO and the whole pet food thing. 431 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,360 It was all about DCM. But we know that all cables 432 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,320 cause DCM, grain free pet food, cereal based pet food. 433 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,320 None of them are immune to it. And was it a lack of meat going 434 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,640 in possibly or is it that too much plant fiber is being used 435 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,800 which shows that it struggles? So that was just what that was 436 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,480 my very first dip into it. But there was many, many other 437 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,080 little factoids we could talk about with the the effects of 438 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,840 fiber, you know. So that was that was the 439 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,280 Stardust, if you can believe. Well, that's fascinating. 440 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,400 I when I first started trying to figure out food for myself, it 441 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,600 was because I had a kidney stone, which is incredibly 442 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,960 painful. I don't know if you've ever had 443 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,640 one. I never wish anyone knew. 1 And 444 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,120 so I went down the rabbit hole of like what causes kidney 445 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,680 stones, which is everything in the world apparently. 446 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:16,400 And but I, I really went down the carnivore or animal based 447 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,480 diet like rabbit hole and I felt better than I ever felt in my 448 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400 whole life when I went on an animal based diet, which was 449 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120 strange to me because I'm like, aren't we're omnivores, aren't 450 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,120 we? Like, but it did. 451 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,320 It made me feel amazing and just made me like double down what I 452 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,320 was doing for my pets, knowing that they're carnivores. 453 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,560 But it does make me wonder, like, well, two things. 454 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,400 One, when I had Doctor Billinghurst on, one of the 455 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,200 things he said to me, you know, we have so much information 456 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,080 today about the microbiome and how diverse we need to have the 457 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600 microbiome and all of these things. 458 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840 And he's like, really? How do we know that? 459 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,400 Yeah, we're not God. Yeah, yeah, totally agree with 460 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,840 that. But we're never, I disagree with 461 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800 hardly anything. He never says he's, he's always 462 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760 on point and I have totally moved away from all that myself. 463 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,320 If you're here, it's because your pet isn't just a pet, your 464 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,400 family and you can feel when something's off, even if the 465 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,880 labs look normal. That's why I created Wild 466 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,120 Wellness Pet and the Wild Wellness Bioenergetic Test to 467 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,280 help you see the hidden stressors your pets body is 468 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,760 quietly carrying and give you a clear, holistic starting point. 469 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,920 Head to wildwellnesspet.com to explore the Bioenergetic Test 470 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,560 and the Apothecary and take the next loving, protective, 471 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,000 proactive step for your pets healing journey. 472 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree with that. 473 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,720 But we're never, I disagree with hardly anything. 474 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,640 He never says he's he's always on point. 475 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520 And I have totally moved away from all that myself to the 476 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960 point that I don't recommend over the counter probiotics and 477 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760 all that kind of stuff. I'm really questioning what we 478 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,800 know, particularly applying what we know in humans to a dog, you 479 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840 know, very different system, very different setup. 480 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,360 And yeah, the whole, uh, thinking that we understand 481 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,400 what's going on. Thousands and thousands of 482 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520 species, bacteria and viral particles and yeast and all 483 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,160 competing. It's like a highly complex 484 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800 natural system. And we just start lobbing in 485 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840 more wildebeest, more wildebeest, more wildebeest or 486 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,760 more lions, more lions. And it can work for a little 487 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,560 while, but that, uh, as, as we, we see in like a, you know, wild 488 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,680 parks and stuff, when you're making, in these introductions 489 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,880 or introducing some invasive species, you want to be very 490 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720 careful. And the studies are catching up 491 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160 on probiotics too. So I'm not sure about the 492 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,520 richness thing. I'm not sure about it. 493 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,440 And dogs, there's no long term studies showing that they're 494 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,920 healthier. They just say this, the bacteria 495 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,560 flora was richer, therefore they're going to be healthier. 496 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,640 And it's like, well, that therefore bit is just marketing 497 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,640 nonsense in science terms. Show me the Therefore show me 498 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760 what happened to the dogs after a year, 2 years. 499 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,720 You know, we now know that taking probiotics with 500 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,840 antibiotics actually reduces, actually increases. 501 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520 It's harder for your body to return to normal when you take 502 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800 probiotics with antibiotics. Who would have thought? 503 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,960 I've been telling people to take probiotics or antibiotics for 504 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000 years, but a study following them for six months showed that 505 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600 if you took probiotics with antibiotics, it took your body. 506 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,360 Your body in fact, didn't return to the normal floral state, 507 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200 whereas if you took the antibiotics, it was far more 508 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,920 likely to. Like, these things are just new 509 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,360 to us and we, we don't understand what we think we do 510 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,440 because we're, it's a real humanist thing to look in there 511 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,200 and unders, Oh, we know what to do. 512 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,640 But, uh, and dogs are, are different again. 513 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,640 So, yeah, anytime people isolate some weird bacteria from a wolf 514 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,960 turd or a caveman's book crack, I always think, bloody hell, you 515 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,680 know, is this really what my little pukum's needs here? 516 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040 Umm, the fiber thing would be a far more fiber. 517 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,320 Talking about fiber is at the front end of the debate. 518 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560 Probiotics is in the middle. So probiotics are the actual 519 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,400 life themselves, you know, How could you possibly understand 520 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,720 what's going on in that system? It's right for you in that 521 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960 moment. Do you know that identical twins 522 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,000 living in the same house have only shared 20 to 30% of their 523 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Biome? Only 20 to 30% living in the 524 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,560 same home. So probably on a similar diet, 525 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 but because of the stressors and everything else but the 526 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,120 identical genes, completely different biomes, how could you 527 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,640 possibly think you could sell a product that suits everybody? 528 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760 It's just nonsense. We all interact with the world 529 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,920 completely differently based on a too many factors that we can 530 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,120 understand. What's going on in the Biome is 531 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,760 just a response and it suits that environment. 532 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,400 Piling in the more people into the messed up city probably 533 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480 isn't the best way to go about of finding why the city went 534 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560 wrong, you know, and then the people will come. 535 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800 So that's what the fiber approach is, but it's like what 536 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760 type of fiber you're going to use to fix that. 537 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,280 We focus on Foss and we focus on apple peels and we focus on 538 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,440 these things that we know can help us when we're got sick and 539 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120 we deploy them in dogs. And if you've got a really bad 540 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,120 gut sick dog. So the studies show, if you've 541 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,800 got me first, you know, various very small studies, 6 or 8 542 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,920 terribly good sick dogs and they get probiotics, they they can 543 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,600 improve the speed of recovery. But that's comparing dogs that 544 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 don't get anything. You know, it's like, well, how 545 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520 maybe if you gave them a pinch of chamomile, they'd do even 546 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,960 better and they wouldn't have any problems in in half a year, 547 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,160 a year. Or they don't compare it to a 548 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960 normal way of recovering the dog, a spoon of bone broth, you 549 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,400 know, a few times a day. Have you done any of those 550 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,640 things? Colostrum, a number of things 551 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,640 can help, but you compared it to nothing. 552 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,160 So we have a few studies shown that Plan Forever can be used in 553 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,040 diarrhoea cases. So I just leave that door open 554 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360 going, yeah, if you want to believe that, I'm sure it's 555 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,640 better than nothing. Uh, but you try animal fiber 556 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,920 instead, you know, and they're like, what's animal fiber right 557 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160 now we're talking. So fiber is the prebiotic, fiber 558 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840 is the stuff that the bacteria eat, you know, and fiber really, 559 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480 at the end of the day, isn't this mystical long filament that 560 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080 only exists in plants. Fiber is just indigestible 561 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,800 material. It has a number of different 562 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,840 functions in the stool. And plant fiber does operate 563 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,800 differently to meet fiber, which is your collagen last, and 564 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,320 carrot. And people know these words. 565 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160 It's all your skin, your hair, your nails, the hard to digest 566 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,840 bits of steak. If you eat a steak, you only 567 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,640 digest 8090% of it. The rest of that is fiber to 568 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,320 your Gulf floor. It's undigested food that gets 569 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,880 your goal. And there's bacteria going 570 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,400 yummy. I'm having a bit of that. 571 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400 That's how it works in cats. Cats can actually ferment hair, 572 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960 they can make fatty acids from hair. 573 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280 So when you say oh, you, you must use plant fibre for fatty 574 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,920 acids and carnivores, that's not true. 575 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320 They ferment those fatty acids. They're slightly different fatty 576 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480 acids because we have focus on short chain fatty acids, which 577 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920 you hear a lot of and we love them and they're great in 578 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,160 humans. But carnivores, their system is 579 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,320 more geared towards branched chain fatty acids, Bcfas, and 580 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600 they get them from fermenting animal fibre. 581 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,880 And so we've got big studies of domestic cats, loads of studies 582 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120 of cats in the zoo. We've known for years that if 583 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,000 you just leave the hide on the outside of the, ER, horse's leg 584 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,160 with horses over here a lot that they feed the zoo animals, 585 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,800 they're the cleanest, uh, that if you just leave the hide on 586 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,560 the outside of the meat, that the cats suffer less uremic 587 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360 toxins, which is one of the top killers of cats, bad teeth and 588 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400 kidney disease. And so if you just leave the 589 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760 gristle and the hair and the more animal more complete. 590 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,720 So now they feed cheetahs with the skin on feed cheetahs, 591 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,240 they're prey with their skin on. Eh, this is important good 592 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360 health things that we've known about in zoos for 30-40 years. 593 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,840 And yes, that that outdoor component of that meat fiber 594 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,480 component is completely stripped away. 595 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280 Even with pre made raw dog food. Nobody wants to see a feather 596 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480 hanging out of us. Nobody wants to see a a a a 597 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,800 claw. You know, my wife would see that 598 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,920 and go, oh, this stuff's crap. But actually it could be that we 599 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,880 are actually taking away a really important part of the 600 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640 diet. We talk about, you know, 3% 601 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,120 plant fiber going into some products. 602 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800 It's like, well, 3% fiber would be good, but from where? 603 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,880 And so that was the push of my talk. 604 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,520 I said there were some issues with plant fiber. 605 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520 It may not be a requirement, cats and dogs at all. 606 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,160 It might be that the requirement is actually the indigestible 607 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520 parts of the animal that we're still not really including in 608 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,280 pre made wild dog food. That was my point in my talk was 609 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,000 by that time people are going kind of really saying stop 610 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440 eating blueberries. I'm like, I didn't say that, you 611 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,760 know, just, I'm just trying to stoke some debate here about 612 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,720 what are we feeding? You know, we're not feeding 613 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,120 humans here. And what we thought plant fire. 614 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,800 We didn't, humans didn't even do that. 615 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,560 So why would it do that in dogs? You know? 616 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,280 So it it, it got the, IT got the debate going, which I love, but 617 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480 it's not for everybody. Yeah. 618 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,800 Well, that is where like the the next thing I think of, it's 619 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,160 like, OK, well, now we have all of these people talking about 620 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,440 the incredible benefits of this vegetable or that fruit or, you 621 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720 know, Thistle fluorophane in the in the broccoli. 622 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,640 And so my mind goes there, but then my mind also goes to the 623 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760 the amount of vegetable matter that a lot of companies are 624 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,760 putting in their food to balance it after standards, right. 625 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,680 And you know, I mean pets obviously different than dogs. 626 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,360 I, I have a kitten that has been nothing but raw fed since I 627 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,920 found him at like 6 weeks old. And I didn't have anything 628 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960 thought. And I was like, I'll just give 629 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,040 him some of the dogs food tonight because my dog is she's, 630 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400 she's at a stage in life where she's wanting gently cooked 631 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520 foods. It has a lot of vegetable matter 632 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,920 in it. And he, Oh my gosh, the litter 633 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,960 box for the next three days. I was like, this is never 634 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,080 happening again. Yeah, yeah, no, no, I, I, I'm 635 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360 not surprised. You know, I think with the plant 636 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,240 matter that goes into raw dog foods or into cooked dog foods, 637 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080 umm, from someone who formulates diets, I can tell you that 638 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,560 there's nothing nutritionally that I need from plant matter. 639 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240 Umm, there is. Blueberries look good in the 640 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000 label, but there's no nutrient in there that blueberries would 641 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,720 be higher in than any other piece of meat. 642 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040 But they're super foods, Connor. They're super foods and so they 643 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560 look super on a label, but like, listen, are they super foods for 644 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,960 a dog? And the whole point of 645 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,200 blueberries is polyphenols. Polyphenols are actually toxic 646 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,640 to, to a lot of animals, but we've learned to use them over 647 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000 time and they, they, they're actually now beneficial to us. 648 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560 But that's not the case for all animals, not the case for cats, 649 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,320 and it's might not be the case for dogs. 650 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,000 Adding blueberries to a dry fed dog might be beneficial, but do 651 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,480 adding blueberries to a raw fed dog benefit in the same way they 652 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,600 have a different antioxidant system based on. 653 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,360 So it's like what we even, I've all talked coming out on 654 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,120 carnival antioxidants coming out in September. 655 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,200 That's not going to it's going to make me even less friends. 656 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,680 But umm, it's like, well, you know, it's there's anyway. 657 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,560 Umm, yeah. The, the only plant ingredients 658 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,720 that we put into let's say raw dog food products were cooked to 659 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800 be the same sort of principles. The only ones we lean on because 660 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,280 we have to get these readings up above to these AFCO standards, 661 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440 which is dry pet food nonsense world. 662 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720 But we have to adhere to them to, to so you can say complete 663 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880 on the label because if we say complimentary, people go Oh my 664 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000 God, my dog would die. So to to adhere to those 665 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,560 ridiculous standards, we have to include some ingredients like 666 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720 things like seaweed because it comes with a little iodine. 667 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,760 People put in things like Brewers yeast to get the B 668 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,240 vitamins up. One that really eludes us as 669 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440 vitamin E. They want way too much vitamin E 670 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,000 and dry pet food because they use crap mixed toco ferols, 671 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,679 which the dog doesn't use, as well as natural vitamin E. 672 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,239 You only need a very small amount of that from grass fed 673 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,320 animals. That'll be the right amount, but 674 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,679 instead we have to get the levels up here. 675 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,760 So we put in things like pumpkin seeds and hemp seed powder and 676 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,560 stuff. So those plant ingredients go in 677 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,080 for a reason because we're targeting something. 678 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,840 We're trying to get a manganese reading up. 679 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,840 Both the carrots and the squash and the rice and the carbi 680 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,280 additions that go into a lot of the cooked products aren't there 681 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120 because there's a nutrient in there that your dog needs. 682 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,440 There's nothing in there. Carbohydrates are not required 683 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,840 by the dog, so that's why they're not on the pet food 684 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719 label. There's no requirements set by 685 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920 AFCO because they don't need plant carbohydrates or fiber. 686 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,120 It's not an requirement in their diet because nothing has ever 687 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,560 shown that they need a carbohydrate. 688 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,679 Cats and dogs live on meat and fat. 689 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,360 It's called ketosis. So that's the way they're happy 690 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,679 to live. So that's why you don't need to 691 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,880 feed carbohydrates to a dog. So when they say, well, it might 692 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200 be a source of energy, it's like, yeah, Mars bars and 693 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520 Coca-Cola are a source of energy and which of them should I have? 694 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,360 So it's it's umm, the the whole reason that those bigger, uh, 695 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,840 carbi ingredients go in is purely cost. 696 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,720 It's a cheap, it's a cheap filler and uh, makes a nice 697 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,840 sticky kind of paste as well as opposed. 698 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,600 You don't want that. You want that kind of Pate looks 699 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,400 some people like. So those bigger ingredients, 700 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,800 that's all that is the smaller ingredients we target for 701 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640 reasons that I said, but the bigger ingredients isn't because 702 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120 there's a single you might tell, oh, I feed spinach for iron. 703 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,000 Yeah. You think you think there's more 704 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,680 iron spinach than there is in red meat. 705 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,000 Heme iron blows plant iron out of the water and it doesn't come 706 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,840 with all the oxalates and anti nutrients and Fodmaps we just 707 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640 talked about. So that wouldn't be why you're 708 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,720 using spinach at all. You know, it looks good and it's 709 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,240 green, although spinach comes with a bit of B vitamins, I 710 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,200 suppose. So, you know, if you had to get 711 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,760 that reading up, it might be a way to do it. 712 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,760 But compared to Brewers, not nowhere near. 713 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,600 So generally those ingredients are because we eat those things. 714 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,160 And so when we buy the food, we want to see it on the pack as 715 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:54,880 well. That looks nice. 716 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920 Potatoes, you know, we'll be Irish people like potatoes. 717 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,520 And so we put some potatoes in the products over here and it'll 718 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000 be rice in China and it'll be whatever in the US, you know, So 719 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160 it's you, it's the local thing that people want to see 720 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,680 generally make it into the food product. 721 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,560 Those tail end ingredients aren't there for the dogs. 722 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,360 They're there for you, you know, to pick them up. 723 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,760 Yeah. So I, I know I want to be 724 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,240 respectful of your time. What I'm hearing is that a lot 725 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,600 of the information that we're getting about how beneficial 726 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,240 some of these plants can be are more geared towards probably 727 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,920 kibble fed dogs. Yeah, yeah, like, I mean, I, I 728 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560 can see why do you need some fiber in the diet? 729 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200 So a little bit of plant fiber is probably better than no plant 730 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,080 fiber. Bloody fly. 731 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,800 Umm. So I'm instantly thinking 732 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,960 there's so much fiber in a family. 733 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,840 Uh, so a little bit of fiber is, is better than no fiber at all. 734 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,240 And it, there's a big question mark over that's called pika in 735 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,080 dogs when they eat strange things where your dogs are 736 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,880 licking carpet or xylophagia when they're eating grass and 737 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,080 sticks and copper aphasia. And so they could be eating that 738 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,400 for a source of fiber to help with their digestive system. 739 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960 But I always say, yeah, but if there was loads of hairy rabbit 740 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960 ears and hides and all sort of chews and gristles, raw meaty 741 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,680 bones, you know, all that sort of hard to digest matter what 742 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,400 they need, all that stuff that they've been needing. 743 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,640 No, probably not. They're probably using that 744 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,040 because that's all they can get access to. 745 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,200 But you let him off in Yellowstone National Park. 746 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160 I doubt he'd be going after the the blueberry bushes. 747 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:20,760 You know, he'd be looking for dead animals. 748 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,080 So the what we know of what dogs need. 749 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440 And there were, there was a few tiny few studies. 750 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,760 We're adding in some colourful plant matter into dogs, help 751 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,960 them, but they're dry fed dogs on a high carbohydrate diet that 752 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,640 weren't getting antioxidants from anywhere else. 753 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200 And does that prove that they need that plant matter? 754 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,760 It shows that dogs with that disease in a cage eating high 755 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280 carbohydrate diets benefited from eating some colourful 756 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200 squash and leafy greens. That study exists and carrots 757 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,240 contain looselyn. So yeah, OK. 758 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160 But it doesn't say that it's better than feeding those 759 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,920 compounds from a meat based diet. 760 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,920 And so we don't have those studies. 761 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880 Or maybe there is some benefits to some plant matter, because if 762 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,840 you think about a herbivore, we'd eat those plants and 763 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280 bioacumulate those, uh, the compounds. 764 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,520 And so the carnival would then eat that prey animal and benefit 765 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,320 from the compound. So it happens that carnivores 766 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,280 are way more sensitive to those sort of compounds like CBD. 767 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680 Dogs and cats need tiny amounts of CBD because they get it from 768 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,120 prey animals. Prey animals generally take a 769 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480 lot more because they eat the plants contained in CBD, not 770 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,360 just temp. So it might be that some of 771 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,720 these compounds are beneficial. And when we stole rear cattle or 772 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,360 chicken and ducks and turkeys that just get corn and never see 773 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,200 the outside of it, they're going to have virtually zero of those 774 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,000 compounds because they're not fed a rich diet. 775 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320 And so, yes, your dog might come around needing some of these 776 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,840 compounds that are largely found in the plank Kingdom. 777 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,440 And so there's an argument therefore. 778 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,400 Yeah, maybe, but to say that dogs fed really well on good 779 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600 quality outdoor meat and access to whatever bits and pieces and 780 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,680 you know, that wouldn't be the case. 781 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,400 I just that scientifically doesn't hold at the moment at 782 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360 all. But there's just there's so much 783 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,880 room for debate and manoeuvre in there. 784 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,320 I just find it fascinating, you know. 785 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,240 But is it a reason to feed every dog 2030% plant matter? 786 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,880 Because that's what you I mean, no, not really. 787 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,880 There's no studies to support that, but there is studies that 788 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120 show that there's potential downsides to it and nothing be 789 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,840 to a meat organ bone diet. Be it yeah, you know, raw, if 790 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,360 you want to feed a cooked diet, nothing beats that. 791 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,720 But I do think I'd be thinking more about the extra outside 792 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,440 bits these days, whatever that is, not just your rabbit ears 793 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,120 because they come from quite a cruel industry in in France over 794 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,960 here. It's not a great looking 795 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,200 industry, but anything out like, you know, whole fish or a fish 796 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,040 head icing gristle and all that kind of stuff, great food. 797 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,600 So there's a number of different ways to, to, to do it, but we 798 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080 are just lacking the evidence at the moment, you know, So it's 799 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,160 what we thought was the case. Not so fully sure anymore. 800 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,640 That's all. That was my point. 801 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,520 So one last question, if someone were to add in some sort of 802 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,920 vegetable matter, would fermented yeah actually be more 803 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,360 beneficial? Actually, yeah. 804 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,040 And answers pet food are actually in the audience as 805 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,120 those kind of slating plants are saying. 806 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,000 Listen guys, I'm not having a go at the manufacturer because this 807 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,040 is the way I would have formulated diets the same as you 808 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,280 up until now. And so it turns out that 809 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,760 fermenting is a fabulous way of reducing anti nutrients in 810 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,120 plants. I never liked that word anti 811 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,480 nutrients, but it does actually apply. 812 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,160 FOB maps, phytates, oxalates, these are things that get in the 813 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600 way of you absorbing nutrients. The plants aren't stupid, they 814 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200 have defences. And we are evolving to get 815 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,200 around them, but we can only get around a couple of them at the 816 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,880 moment. We're not as good as a horse or 817 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,280 a cow or, you know, so, umm, there is a number of anti 818 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,320 nutrients in there that you don't want to eat too much of. 819 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,680 They can turn your tummy, make you sick, particularly some 820 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600 people more than others. Uh, and so it turns out that 821 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960 fermenting is better than cooking on almost all them. 822 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,600 So it decreases plant fibre, it decreases oxalates and purines, 823 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,400 it decreases Fodmaped really well. 824 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,440 And so fermented food is a great way to do it. 825 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520 The only bit of that is that it's not a totally natural food 826 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,680 for dogs. I haven't a clue. 827 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,760 If Billy Hochman was here, he'd be able to set me straight. 828 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,960 He always does because I always say I don't know where I am or 829 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,960 fermented food. The guys I work with, Nick and 830 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,760 Brown, absolutely love fermented food. 831 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080 I just don't see dogs going or anything too much fermented 832 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,520 food. There's also a huge amount of 833 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200 microbials that come with that. Is that totally natural for the 834 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,360 dog's digestive system? Are you kind of giving them a 835 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,080 probiotic? That isn't a totally normal way 836 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,400 of him getting it. I think people try to say that 837 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,640 the fermented food is the same as the fermented food and the 838 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,200 the hind goat of the rabbit. I'm like, he's not eating a 839 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,840 whole lot of that. You know, you goats are left on 840 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,440 the ground by dogs where they can. 841 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,280 If the animal's any smaller than a rabbit, he might eat the whole 842 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,840 thing because he's a whole prey eater. 843 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,160 Only cats are a bit more selective. 844 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,000 Dogs are pigs. They'll just eat the most. 845 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,120 Eat the rat, they'll eat the bird. 846 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,200 But if it gets bigger than that up to rabbit size, maybe they'll 847 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,240 eat a bit, but they don't need to force them up full of grass. 848 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,120 That's just a nonsense that people said wolves eat the 849 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,680 stomachondents of grass nonsense. 850 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,440 Show me the video. You know, it doesn't I think 851 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640 there's one or two videos going around of the wolf doing that 852 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,960 now, but there's there's thousands and thousands of 853 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320 studies to say they don't touch the still some of the contents. 854 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,440 It might happen here and there for some reason, but wallowing 855 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600 in the stomach on the grass, half digested grass, Why would a 856 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,040 wolf be eating that? So I think it's it's a good 857 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,880 debate. I'm not sure if the stuff we 858 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,440 pickled in a jar as the same as what's been fermented in adult 859 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,040 in the in the in the rabbits goat. 860 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,840 But you know, if it works for you and you need to put the veg 861 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,200 in for some reason and then that's probably the better way 862 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,960 to do it. Yeah, my brother's cat, he will 863 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120 eat like yesterday he ate a whole lizard. 864 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,200 But when he brings bunnies, when he eats the bunnies, he always 865 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,640 leaves the the guts. I'm not surprised. 866 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,080 Clean up. Yeah, gross. 867 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,360 I'm not surprised. I mean, that'll be the last 868 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,640 thing I'd eat out of. I don't need. 869 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,120 I don't eat the guts of a fish, you know, it's just that. 870 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200 OK, well, we're different, you know, dogs are different. 871 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,800 But I can't see my dog eating the gut of a large fish. 872 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,360 And so there are two. That's not the stuff they're 873 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,480 after. They're after the meat, the 874 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,680 organ, the crystal, the bone. That's the that's the cool 875 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,160 stuff. I'm sorry I have to dash. 876 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920 Just someone to do 4:00 is always loving this. 877 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,000 And I don't get enough time to talk about this. 878 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040 I actually stopped talking about it a bit because people are 879 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,040 getting their knickers in A twist. 880 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,640 No plans. Forget it. 881 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,720 Yeah, why not? Listen, even if you don't agree, 882 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,800 who cares? You know, that's like, it's it's 883 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,880 a it's a it's an interesting debate, but haven't seen any 884 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720 contrary points yet. Haven't seen any contrary 885 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,120 studies that have been bandied around. 886 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:11,840 Nothing. None of that. 887 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,400 It's just, if anything, I see people talking about digestive 888 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440 enzymes to help you breakdown plant fiber and it's like, yeah, 889 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,880 well, you know what he's feeding the plant fiber to the dog for 890 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,840 in the 1st place and you're giving a product to help him 891 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,680 digest us. Do you ever think that that not 892 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,800 might be the food for his good guard, you know? 893 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,120 So yeah, you know, people keep on asking questions. 894 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,800 It's a bit of fun. Wags my tail anyway. 895 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,440 Well, I love it. Thank you so much for being here 896 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,600 and for sharing that with us and have a have a good rest of. 897 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,760 Yeah, start of the week. All right, Jess. 898 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,560 Thanks. Pleasure. 899 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,200 Talk to you later. OK, soon. 900 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,960 Bye before you go. 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