1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Welcome back pet parent. I have such an interesting guest 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,640 for you today. Her name is Tony Schlasky and 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,760 not only is she a podcast host, which is so fun, she has been an 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,520 entrepreneur for so long, a holistic pet Wellness expert. 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,200 She is also the founder and former owner of Healthy Pet 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Products in Pittsburgh, which is a natural pet supply company 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,160 there, which is amazing. We all know how much we love 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Indie Pet, which brings me to the next point. 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:34,240 She actually serves on the board of Indie Pet and she has a 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,000 private label where she creates Pittsburgh Being Dog Toy Toys. 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 So obviously she's a big fan of Pittsburgh. 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,680 Thank you so much for being here, Tony. 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Your passion for helping pet parents and pets is incredible 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,040 and I'm just really excited to have you on the Pet Parenting 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,480 Reset. Thank you. 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,240 I'm thrilled to be here and I'm thrilled that we've made this 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,400 connection and can help them together. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,120 Yes, I know it takes it takes a village. 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:07,160 I was just talking to somebody yesterday, very popular in in 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,200 the pet space and I finally was introduced to her. 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,040 She's like, people ask me all the time why I teach what I do 22 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:20,760 to other people and she's like, because we need more educators 23 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,960 out there. And it's like that exactly 24 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,200 percent. That's actually exactly why I 25 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:31,840 created the podcast in the 1st place, because I feel like as a 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,000 business owner, like put your best stuff out there for free 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,760 for people and like that's how your tribe is going to find you 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,400 and be gravitated towards you. And I feel like as a podcaster, 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,400 you must feel in some way the same. 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,480 So I would just love to start off by hearing kind of a little 31 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,840 bit about your journey because you've done so much already. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,560 Yeah, I noticed that you gave us an hour and a half, but I will 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,920 keep it brief. So I have been in the pet space 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,199 for 25 years. I started pet sitting. 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,240 So I had my own pet sitting business. 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,720 I was really like one of the first pet sitters in Pittsburgh. 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,520 My pet sitting business was started in 2000, the year 2000. 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:28,000 And I had it for eight years and you know, it was it was awesome. 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,600 And I loved doing it, but I burned myself out of it. 40 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,840 But what was cool is I really learned a lot just from being 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,800 with dogs, with cats, and just being present with them, 42 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,320 watching their behavior, noticing things they did. 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,960 I really, I really feel like I connected a lot of dots and 44 00:02:53,960 --> 00:03:00,920 noticed a lot of common problems with dogs and cats that my my 45 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,960 dog at the time was not experiencing. 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,680 So I was seeing a lot of issues with my customers pets like 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,080 obesity and diabetes and skin issues, hot spots, ear 48 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,920 infections, you know, you know all of the things. 49 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,640 And I knew diet and supplementation. 50 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,400 Could. Help these pets and I had 51 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,800 already been a raw feeder, so I knew that that was the end. 52 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,200 I I mean, we, we think it's the end all be all right. 53 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,360 So I'm glad my dog is not the only one making noise. 54 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,480 But then so I had been doing that. 55 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,240 I burned myself out of pet sitting and literally in my 56 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,960 backyard was a little tiny pet food store called healthy pet 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,360 products. It was about 1000 square feet. 58 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,880 They carried all natural products. 59 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,000 So they carried, you know, grain free kibble, which was like a 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,000 big thing then. And you know, knew it was Evo. 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,680 Evo was their brand and California natural and all of 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,960 those. And but they didn't carry raw 63 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,160 food. I still though would shop there, 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,680 I'd get treats, I'd walk my dog, create a relationship, all that 65 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,120 sort of thing. And then one day they said to 66 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,480 me, we're selling, we're moving out of state, and we really 67 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:19,760 don't want to move the business. So I have an extensive retail 68 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,360 management background. I was already a raw feeder. 69 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,160 I knew a lot about natural pet food. 70 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,360 So I just bought the business and then grew it to three stores 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:35,880 within Pittsburgh and then opened one location in Port 72 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:39,200 Charlotte, FL So I did that for 16 years, yeah. 73 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,600 So now you, you touched on something that we, we talked 74 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:50,000 about previously on your podcast about being a raw theater and 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,120 people thinking it's like the end all be all. 76 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,040 But I want to, I want to get to that a little bit later in the 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,920 conversation, because I, I want to talk first about some of the 78 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:04,320 things you have seen in that 16 years being an indie pet store 79 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,560 owner, seen all of the, all of the things, all the people that 80 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,240 have been coming through your doors, the issues with their 81 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,360 pets. For me, you know, I think people 82 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,920 oftentimes come in and they're just like, tell me what 83 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,680 supplement to give to fix X, right. 84 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,600 And that's a very like, that's just how we've been trained by, 85 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,400 by the Pharmaceutical industry. But, but that's also a big 86 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 opportunity to, you know, begin educating. 87 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,840 So like how how do you view all of that? 88 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,440 So the core diet is, is where you have to start. 89 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,840 You can't just add in a supplement and think the world 90 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,440 is going to change and these symptoms are just going to go 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,000 away. There's more to it than that. 92 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,040 There's way more to it than that. 93 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,600 And the amount of change I've seen over the 16 years in the 94 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,680 pet food industry, I can't even begin. 95 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,920 I mean, you know, when I started, people looked at me 96 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,720 like I had three heads when I told them I said raw food. 97 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,080 So you know, and then I grew the the raw food market in 98 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Pittsburgh and went from single door freezer to double door 99 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,760 freezer to multiple double doors to everyone of my stores had 100 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,200 walk in freezers. So tons of raw food moving 101 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,840 through the door and now gently cooked is all the rage. 102 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:21,840 And freeze dried came onto the market and it's great. 103 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:25,040 We have all these new categories that are options. 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,800 It amazes me that freeze dried continues to be the fastest 105 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,920 growing category. Even though I tell people over 106 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,000 and over and over again, you realize this is the most 107 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:42,280 expensive way to feed your pet. They don't care. 108 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Yeah, well, it's convenient. It's more convenient, 109 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,680 especially. It gives them that feel good 110 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,400 feel. Similar to kibble. 111 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,120 You scoop it and put it in the bowl. 112 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,840 You can hydrate it or you can't, it doesn't matter. 113 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:04,960 So went through DCM, you know, and how bad grain free food is. 114 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,280 I I mean, it's, I could go on and on. 115 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Well, since you brought up DCMI still have people coming to me 116 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,280 telling me their vet said you need to feed a grain inclusive 117 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:25,560 diet like this is this has persisted for so long. 118 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,800 And I think one of the reasons not obviously the the fear 119 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,840 mongering initially when it all happened was strong. 120 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:40,280 But the FDA updating that they couldn't find anything one way 121 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,360 or the other was like hush hush. They just like updated the page 122 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:45,520 and didn't tell anybody about it. 123 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,240 So there's no it just it boggles my mind. 124 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,000 Are you? I assume you're still seeing 125 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,080 this too? Same, and I recently just had a 126 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,800 trainer friend reach out to me. She had a new client with a 127 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,880 giant breed dog and the vet was telling her she has to feed 128 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,760 great inclusive food to protect the heart and to I can't 129 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,560 remember if it was a male or female but basically spay or 130 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,960 neuter the dog by 6 months old. And the trainer reached out to 131 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,720 me because she knows she knows better especially with a giant 132 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,880 breed dog and she said can you give do you have some white 133 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,320 cheese? Do you have some data that I can 134 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,560 provide to her? And I, I, I did. 135 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,000 And then I literally said to her, I mean, vets are not 136 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,520 recommending these early span neuters anymore for the most 137 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:37,080 part, right? And I said if her vet is that, 138 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,280 that is not keeping up with new research that's being done. 139 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,840 Absolutely. I mean, again, like you said, 140 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,000 especially for a large breed dog, because there is so much of 141 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,040 it and, and this is a hard topic to talk about honestly. 142 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,360 And I, I have covered it multiple times on this podcast 143 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,320 because we do, we don't, in my opinion, we don't have an 144 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,280 overpopulation issue. We have a human irresponsibility 145 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,480 issue. It's just not being addressed 146 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,160 properly. It's not being looked at. 147 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,440 It's, it's like, no, I'm not going to say what I was going to 148 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:16,680 say, but we're looking at the symptom and saying that that's 149 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,080 that's the problem. That's what we have to address. 150 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,640 Just like with everything else. Instead of looking at like what 151 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,880 is causing it, which is us, which is humans being so 152 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 incredibly irresponsible in my opinion, I'll just throw that 153 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,800 out there. That's not the issue. 154 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:40,120 And the idea that we can remove any organ from the body and say 155 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,360 you're totally fine, especially at such a young age, and that 156 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,760 there are no negative repercussions from it, is just 157 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,880 burying your head in the sand. Right. 158 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,000 I mean, and it doesn't even, I mean to me, it's common sense. 159 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,080 It's like for a female it's like giving an infant a full 160 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,000 hysterectomy. Yeah, absolutely. 161 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 And when I find. Other people, then they're like, 162 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,640 like, and I'm like and and you say hormones do good things. 163 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,600 We need hormones. Yeah, yes. 164 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Oh my gosh, it is. It's tough because I know, you 165 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,520 know, I, I actually just very recently posted something else 166 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,720 on social media about this. And I mean, people just came 167 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,720 after me with like, well, you know, my dog got pyometra and 168 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,280 this is the worst thing that could ever happen. 169 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,000 And like, first of all, that's not the worst thing that could 170 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,120 ever happen to a dog. It is bad. 171 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Like, obviously we don't want that happening, but it's very my 172 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,560 understanding I have not had a dog with it. 173 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,440 But I mean, just listening to like somebody like a doctor Judy 174 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Morgan, she's like, if we catch this early, this is very easily 175 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:47,560 treatable. Same. 176 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,480 Yeah, yeah. And a friend that it actually 177 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,560 happened to, because she didn't, they didn't want to spay her dog 178 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:57,160 and she did end up with pyometra and but they caught it early and 179 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,680 everything. She's totally fine. 180 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,400 She's so healthy. It's amazing. 181 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,000 And a giant breed dog. Yeah. 182 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 So another reason why she wanted to keep. 183 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,800 They wanted to keep everything intact and just let nature take 184 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,480 its course. So, you know, yeah, the amount 185 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 of cases of and these, and I really think it's just scare 186 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,200 tactics and, you know, just just following the same thing we've 187 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,960 always been doing because that's the easy way to go. 188 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,960 And we all, as a village of our own house, have to just keep 189 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,080 making those connections and having these conversations, even 190 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,120 if we get shit about it. Yeah, Oh for sure. 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,640 And I I love that you not only grew your freezer space in the 192 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,520 store, but that you also grew it to including Florida 4 stores. 193 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Is that correct? So I mean you really when when 194 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,720 you have, you know, you can't do that if people aren't buying 195 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:55,320 the. Product. 196 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,440 Oh my gosh, yeah. And people aren't buying the 197 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,920 product unless you're educating them to buy that product because 198 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:08,000 the marketing in the mainstream is serious like it. 199 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,200 I don't know about you, but I before I got into this space, I 200 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,040 was that pet parent that I went to the vet for everything. 201 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,200 I trusted my vet wholeheartedly. I did everything my veterinarian 202 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,040 told me to do for all of my animals, which led me to I was 203 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,440 buying multiple different kinds of prescription food that was 204 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,240 being sold at the veterinarian's office. 205 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,160 They were getting annual vaccines. 206 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,160 They were getting quarterly dewormers. 207 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,840 They were getting everything my vet said to do. 208 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,680 And they were the sickest they've ever been in their lives 209 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,960 during that very young period of their lives when they should 210 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,280 have been thriving the most. They're way healthier today. 211 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:58,840 So that marketing of one or the indoctrination of blindly 212 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,240 trusting authority number one. And then the marketing on the 213 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,400 products that are out there. I'm just like one of the things 214 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,840 I'm curious about is, is how you kind of overcome the whole, 215 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,280 everybody buys everything online. 216 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:18,400 And two, there's such a shiny object syndrome with especially 217 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,960 supplements, but still with foods to kind of help people 218 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,520 understand that like really your caring. 219 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,320 You are doing your job by researching, by finding the best 220 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,120 products that are out there and that, like coming into your 221 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 indie pet store, really is in your best interest. 222 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,280 So every indie pet store across the nation, I mean, I would say 223 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:45,520 nearly 100% of them carry smaller brands are more educated 224 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,880 on natural products. They are a resource. 225 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,600 We all shop online. We're always going to shop 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,760 online, but use them as a resource, support their 227 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,560 business. They're your neighbor. 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,400 They are spending tax dollars in your community to keep your 229 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,360 schools open and your kids in sports and your kids in the 230 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,560 musicals and the band and all of those things. 231 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,760 It's so important. And yes, we need the Internet. 232 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:16,160 Yes, we're going to shop online, but we also need relationships. 233 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Again, COVID divided us. I think we're really, I think 234 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,760 we've really made some ground getting back to having 235 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:30,480 relationships with people, but I think we still have quite a ways 236 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:35,640 to go because they, I mean, the, the amount of people I've I've 237 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,520 counseled and developed relationships with over 16 years 238 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,640 are, I can't even begin to count. 239 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,200 And these are relationships like these people, these, these pet 240 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,960 store owners and the people that work there, they love your 241 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,160 animals and they get connected to them no different than a pet 242 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,320 sitter does. They're vested in their health. 243 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,920 You know, you take your dog or your cat into the store with you 244 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,240 and they make a big fuss over them. 245 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,320 And you know, it's just a win, win for everyone. 246 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,280 I, I mean, sometimes I feel like I'm old school, but I just, I 247 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,440 just don't want to, I, I just don't, I want to hold on to that 248 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,680 human connection, even though I mean, I hate some people. 249 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,320 I mean, I don't hate, you know what I mean? 250 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,920 Like, yeah, you know, I mean, it's hard. 251 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,200 It's hard. It's hard sometimes, but it's 252 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,240 important to work through like adverse situations too. 253 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,120 Mm hmm. Yeah. 254 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,520 Oh my gosh. I think that it is so funny. 255 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,320 Like that's some who was I talking to the other day? 256 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,920 I don't even remember, but that came up with, there's this 257 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,040 whole, like, generation of children who have been coddled 258 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,400 that anytime adversity entered their life, their parents 259 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,960 handled it, shielded them from it, protected them from it. 260 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,440 And I mean, as a parent, I can imagine that you do want to 261 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,040 protect your children to some degree, but also that you, you 262 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:07,120 know, they, they need adversity to build character and to learn 263 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:10,040 life lessons and to be able to like actually go out into the 264 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,240 world and be a productive member of society. 265 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,280 And that's a whole tangent I just went. 266 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,520 I'm Gen. X, so you can't get me started 267 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,520 on that. I will go on and on and on. 268 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:28,760 I am as successful as I am because I had amazing parents 269 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,040 that pushed me to be independent and pushed me to think for 270 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,840 myself. And if I fell down, I got up by 271 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,920 myself. They made sure I was OK, but I 272 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,040 got up by myself. Yeah, yeah. 273 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,600 I'm, I'm an elder millennial, so not too far off. 274 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,960 I'm like right there in that cusp of like, I don't know if 275 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,040 I'm Gen. X or a millennial because it's 276 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,960 right there at the beginning, but I remember that so vividly 277 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,000 that like it, I, I did grow. You know, it's this, I did grow 278 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,160 up where you went outside in the morning and you came home when 279 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:09,319 the street lights were on. But also, you know, we got the 280 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,760 Internet before I, I was, I think I was in middle school 281 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,400 when we got the Internet. You know what I said? 282 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,880 Like living through both of those times was definitely, 283 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:23,800 definitely interesting. But yeah, like you, you learn to 284 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,240 ride a bike, you're going to fall down. 285 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,360 And I don't know where I'm going with any of this. 286 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,160 I'm just like getting angry about it and. 287 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,240 I leave it to us to get on a tangent. 288 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,840 Yeah. Yeah, so well. 289 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Yeah, talking to people, communicating and building 290 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,640 connections. That is so important because I 291 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,040 have another one of my really good friends on another podcast 292 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,040 that I do. She's one of my Co hosts on that 293 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,680 other podcast. She owns an Indy pet store in 294 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,080 Georgetown, TX. And that's one of the biggest 295 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,920 complaints that she has is that a new customer will come in the 296 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:03,440 door and come in with an attitude, right? 297 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Because they probably just left the vet's office and paid a crap 298 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,560 ton of money. And we're told that their pet 299 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,480 needed to be on this food and these three medications or 300 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,120 whatever it is. And then they walk in and the 301 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:20,080 people in the pet store genuinely care. 302 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,440 They want to help. They want to hear the story. 303 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:29,160 They want to offer more healthy, aligned suggestions, but that 304 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,160 pet parent, one, just spent a crap ton of money at the vet. 305 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,840 And two, you have to overcome everything that veterinarian 306 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,080 just said. And then three, it's like you're 307 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,400 wanting me to spend more money on these foods and supplements. 308 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,040 That has to be so difficult. How did you manage that for so 309 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,360 long? So I can totally relate and had 310 00:18:50,360 --> 00:18:54,240 those conversations thousands of times and I really feel like 311 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,640 that the best way I did it was I just listened. 312 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,280 Yeah. I really just let them get it 313 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,640 all out. And then I said, OK, I'm not 314 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,600 saying that your vet's wrong, but what I'm telling you, I'm 315 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,440 going to tell you the opposite of what your vet just told you. 316 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,000 If you want to hear it, I'm going to tell you. 317 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,880 And then you're going to be more confused than you ever were. 318 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,680 But ultimately it's your decision what path you take. 319 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:27,800 So whatever makes the most sense to you health wise for your pet 320 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,680 is the direction you need to go health wise and budget wise, you 321 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,840 know, because we have to take budget into account. 322 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:40,960 And 9, I would say 98% of the time I would have success. 323 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,800 And a lot of times it's just, let's just start with one thing 324 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,280 because I don't like to change more than one thing at a time. 325 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,640 I'm sure you're the same way. So let's just start with one 326 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,920 thing. And a lot of time like this is 327 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,120 1. I would love when they would. 328 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,320 They would come in and say, oh, well, my dog was dying or my dog 329 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,360 or cat was diagnosed with IBDIBD, stands for irritable 330 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:06,080 bowel disease. OK, you know what my first 331 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,440 question is? So they did a biopsy of the 332 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,960 colon. 50% of the time the customer would say no. 333 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,720 Well, then you can't call it a disease. 334 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,600 Yeah, it's a syndrome. So we really don't know what's 335 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:24,920 going on. Right, yeah, it's that cluster 336 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,000 of symptoms that are is so easy to for a veterinarian to just be 337 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,880 like, oh, they have IBD and I actually have dealt with that in 338 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,360 multiple cat, my own cats and I can't tell you how many clients 339 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,920 animals, especially cats and so. Hard with that. 340 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,040 It's almost, it's almost guaranteed in my opinion that if 341 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,840 it isn't, by the time the veterinarian is quote, quote, UN 342 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,760 quote diagnosing IBD, if it's not already lymphoma, it's yeah, 343 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,200 intestinal lymphoma. It's it's especially with cats 344 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,520 specifically like it's that's where it's going. 345 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,320 I can't tell you how many even my own cats, because they were 346 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,840 raised very conventionally for the first half of their lives. 347 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,080 I've I've lost to what a veterinarian called IBD. 348 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,160 So then did you have? Did you end up knowing the 349 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:20,120 reason they passed? Yeah, yeah, My first one was the 350 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,880 first time it happened. The first cat that it happened 351 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,040 with was before I was in this space at all. 352 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,360 I was in the pet space, but not in the like what I call the 353 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,560 healthy pet space. I hadn't found functional 354 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,200 medicine or holistic modalities or anything like that. 355 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,120 And so he was on all of the everything that the vet wanted 356 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:48,600 him on and it it they never diagnosed it as lymphoma. 357 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,440 But yeah, he wound up in the hospital and went septic. 358 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,760 And it was horrifying. But it let me realize like what 359 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,480 what was happening in the next couple of cats that I had that 360 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,120 went through it and helped me make better informed decisions 361 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,600 for them. Because now even with my clients 362 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,200 cats, and I say cats specifically because I think 363 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,440 that it's just we do in veterinary medicine especially, 364 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,080 we do so much less for cats in these cases. 365 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,440 And so there's a whole lot of question around it. 366 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,280 I just assume lymphoma from the from the very beginning. 367 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,920 That's interesting because a conventional veterinarian is 368 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,480 going to treat them the exact same way. 369 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,280 Even if they know it's lymphoma, their treatment plan is exactly 370 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,280 the same. Yeah, so do you want to know 371 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,160 something scary about my pets all died of cancer. 372 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,920 I'm so sorry. Yep, Yep. 373 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,240 Now the first, my first dog, I don't know what she died. 374 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,080 She lived till she was 18. She died quite a few years ago, 375 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,600 but it and and all of them were rescues. 376 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,640 Some of them like a couple of them when I was with a 377 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,120 boyfriend. He had two labs that came. 378 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,760 So part of their life, yes was conventional but all of them 379 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,920 switched to raw food. None of you know I don't use any 380 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,400 chemical flea and tick. I don't do heart guard. 381 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,280 I don't do any vaccines. And they still are dying of 382 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,360 cancer. It's amazing, it really is. 383 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,720 I mean, I, it's, it's mind boggling to me. 384 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,800 And I get when, when, when you do what we do and then we're 385 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,200 still seeing it happen. There's really some shit going 386 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,200 on that needs to change in this world. 387 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,520 There, Oh my gosh, there is and I mean the first thing there are 388 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,360 two things come to mind 1 is that there is just so much that 389 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,960 we can't control in our environment. 390 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,640 There are so many toxins. It's, you know, glyphosate at 391 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,480 this point is ubiquitous. I mean, that we could get into 392 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,480 so many things. People would think I'm an 393 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,960 absolute lunatic. I'm not, I swear. 394 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,960 But I certainly don't trust our government. 395 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,320 And so there are so many things that we can't control. 396 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:08,520 But one thing that I talked to EC Henson about this was a 397 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,600 little over a year ago and because we were talking about 398 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,360 the whole Purina thing, that was a thing that the FDA never 399 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:18,160 really followed up on. But I believe in my heart was a 400 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240 real thing. And we were talking about the 401 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,360 fact that there are some things that you as much as you do, 402 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,920 you're just not going to be able to overcome genetically because 403 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:35,720 we are so many generations into our dogs eating crap food, 404 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,840 being, you know, injected with who knows what constantly 405 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,520 throughout their lives. All of the chemicals, all of the 406 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,280 pesticides, all of the everything that has gotten worse 407 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,200 and worse and worse from generation to generation to 408 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:55,200 generation that they're born not being able to handle what a dog 409 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,080 100 years ago could handle. A. 100% true. 410 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,920 And I just, I truly like and that's not a very. 411 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:05,480 Customers ask me why is this happening? 412 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,800 My childhood dog, exactly this didn't happen. 413 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760 We didn't see any of this. And I say exactly what you just 414 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,000 said, Jess. It is just a combination of all 415 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,680 of the shit in our food system, in our air, in our water, 416 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480 everything that is out of our control. 417 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,400 We just have to fight harder for what we can control. 418 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,840 Absolutely. And that brings me back to at 419 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,360 the beginning you were talking about kind of I feed raw food. 420 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,000 Everything's great now because we did talk about this a little 421 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,320 bit on, I think it was on your episode or on your podcast. 422 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,080 It was either that or after we stopped recording, I don't 423 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,160 remember which, but ten years ago, 15 years ago, you could 424 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,520 switch a dog or a cat to a species appropriate diet, 425 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,400 especially, you know, a raw food diet, whether it's bar for prey 426 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,640 model or even if you're doing an 8010 ten, which that's a whole 427 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,960 other thing. And very, very probably see all 428 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,840 of their symptoms go away and everything's wonderful and 429 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,000 everything's great. And that's just not the case 430 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,720 anymore. And that's, I think some people 431 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,640 are running with that and saying, see, raw food diets 432 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,880 don't work. But that is a much deeper issue 433 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:21,200 I think. What do you think? 434 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240 It's a much deeper issue. And when I have customers come 435 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600 back to the store and say, well, I switched to raw food, I'm 436 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,120 doing goat's milk, I'm doing that. 437 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,680 I'm doing everything you told me to. 438 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,680 And my dog just broke out in horrible hives and I'm still 439 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,760 seeing this happen and I'm like, it's hot. 440 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,440 It was hard. It's hard at first to think, to 441 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,000 not think. Are you really doing everything 442 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,800 I told you to do? Right. 443 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:46,200 You know what? I. 444 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,600 Mean and then you know, what's going on in the household is 445 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,560 there, stress is there. And that's an even harder topic 446 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,880 to do to get into because then we're like asking people to 447 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:03,040 really open up. But ultimately it's not changing 448 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,880 things as quickly as it used to. It's really not. 449 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,880 And that terrifies me. Yeah, it does Me too, because I 450 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:19,880 have I don't, I didn't go out and ask for all the leaky gut 451 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,160 dogs to come find me, but the universe has sent them to me. 452 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:32,840 And not only that, but I would say half of my current cases 453 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,280 that I'm working with are not just leaky gut, but SIBO. 454 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,640 And I'm just like, this is amazing. 455 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,840 This is how do we get, like I understand logically how we get 456 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,400 here, but like we are letting these symptoms go on for so 457 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,640 long. Our veterinarians are 458 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,600 suppressing the immune system without addressing the 459 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,200 underlying issues, and it just gets worse and worse and worse 460 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,520 and it is so frustrating to me. So 100% agree. 461 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,400 And these food sensitivity tests that come back page after page 462 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,760 after page after page that how can, how can these pets not have 463 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,120 leaky gut and have all of these issues and have all of these 464 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,240 sensitivities? So you have, you have to, you 465 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,600 have to, I feel address both issues at the same time, right? 466 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,880 Absolutely. Yes, yeah. 467 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,080 And it is hard. It's hard. 468 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,240 It's hard that veterinarians push back so much on sensitivity 469 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,880 testing. It's not perfect. 470 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,800 It's not, and I'm not going to tell anybody that it is, but it 471 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,880 gives us a place to start for sure. 472 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,160 And we do have to address, we do have to remove everything that 473 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,880 we possibly can that's causing inflammation in the body. 474 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,960 I mean, we just have to. And so how else do we do it? 475 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,280 I mean, we can sit here for six months or more and just 476 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,640 individually test food after food after food. 477 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,160 A veterinarian certainly doesn't have time to sit there and do 478 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,440 that with a patient with how many patients do they have 479 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,920 coming through the door. It's not going to happen, but 480 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,280 that's what needs to be done, I think. 481 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320 You have a preferred sensitivity test that you like. 482 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,160 You don't have to tell me now if you don't want to. 483 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,200 I have one that I I have. So there is a company that is 484 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,440 working on one that I think is going to be amazing and I think 485 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,480 is going to be a lot more accurate because it's actually 486 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680 going to be using blood, which is going to be another hurdle 487 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,360 for pet parents to do at home. But it is possible, you know, to 488 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,440 prick their paw pad or whatever. Like it's possible to do this. 489 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,400 It'll be hard for people to do, you know, like it would be hard 490 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880 for me to like sit here with my dog and be like, Ah, I'm going 491 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,880 to make you. We have. 492 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,240 To get the drops in that certain little, yeah. 493 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,840 Right, like I've done. For myself. 494 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,960 That's like super top secret. I can't. 495 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,600 OK, I'm really, really excited for when that may come out on 496 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:02,960 the market. Maybe next year. 497 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,560 In the interim, I mostly use Glacier Peak. 498 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,120 Again, it's not perfect, but none of them are. 499 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,640 And it also depends on what the dog's symptoms are. 500 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,440 I may not even do a sensitivity. I may go straight for an HTMA 501 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000 test. Those are a lot more scientific 502 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,000 in my opinion, a lot more scientific and accurate. 503 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440 And we are, we're not going to sit here and get like, oh, you 504 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,240 shouldn't be eating beef or pork or whatever. 505 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,120 But we can look at a lot of other things in the body. 506 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,920 We can look at heavy metals, which actually resemble heavy 507 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,400 metal toxicity actually resembles leaky gut in a dog. 508 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,880 So there's, I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot. 509 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,720 Thoughts on seasonal eating? Seasonal. 510 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,400 Love it. Yeah, I love it. 511 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,520 So an interesting thing just happened with my puppy, Layla. 512 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:59,960 She has been a beef dog. She's been picky since day one. 513 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,400 She's a Great Dane, but she's been a beef dog. 514 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,760 And about a month ago, she started turning her nose up to 515 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120 beef. And I, I still rotate. 516 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000 I will not take with one protein. 517 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,240 I refuse. I literally have a conversation 518 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,360 with her and say, Layla, this is not going to be, I don't care 519 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,800 how much you like it, We're getting another one in here. 520 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:26,480 So she is losing her mind over pork, which she's had before, 521 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,440 but now she's losing her mind over it. 522 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,080 So I'm talking to myself. I wonder if this is her just 523 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,680 switching herself seasonally. Yeah, she needs to cool down a 524 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,400 bit. Yeah, absolutely. 525 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,680 I I love that. And I love the idea of letting 526 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,800 our animals choose if we can, if we have that. 527 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,440 No, they're not so sick that we have to restrict them a lot. 528 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,120 I love the idea of letting them choose. 529 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,320 My dog tends to eat more cooling proteins and. 530 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,160 But even in this like just normally all year long. 531 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,040 But I do go for more like rabbit more often in the summer for her 532 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:08,160 and then I will also I know it's it's terrible. 533 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,280 Let her eat her food a little bit cooler in the summer too. 534 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,000 Like I don't let it. Get to room temperature. 535 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,400 Yeah, like I, I, I won't necessarily even let it get to 536 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,480 room temperature. Sometimes in the summer, I'll 537 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,400 just like, you know what? It's so hot. 538 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,280 Like I'm sweating. You're panting. 539 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,960 Here's some cool, you know, cool food. 540 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,080 Yeah. Not frozen, but like also not 541 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,080 room temperature. Yeah, I, I love that. 542 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,760 And I also love the ideas if you're doing it, if you're 543 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,040 making your own food, which I do not do. 544 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,760 But if you're making your own food to like, you know, feed 545 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,040 what is growing seasonally in your area from the farmers 546 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,840 market or wherever our grocery stores kind of, you know, I, I 547 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,080 would, I would be willing to bet there are people out there that 548 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,880 have no idea that foods grow seasonally because of the way 549 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,920 grocery stores. I guarantee it. 550 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,480 And people are starting to talk about it in the human space. 551 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,320 But I, I don't know if you've ever had an episode just on 552 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,280 seasonal eating, but I, I feel like I need to have an episode 553 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,200 just on seasonal eating. I haven't, but that's a good 554 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,840 one. Yeah, that's a really good one. 555 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Yeah, that's a really good one. And when you said Rabbit, you 556 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,440 just made me remember I offered Layla Rabbit a couple months 557 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,480 ago. So I think I need to try to 558 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120 offer it again to her and see if she eats it. 559 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440 That would be a fascinating little. 560 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,880 It would because it's cooler than pork. 561 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,000 That would be very interesting to see. 562 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,320 Yeah. And my cats. 563 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,720 So I mean, I think it is more common for dogs to be on the 564 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,880 warmer side, generally speaking. Of course there are dogs that 565 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,840 live cooler, but I think it's the opposite for cats. 566 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,400 And so it's it. But it's interesting to me that 567 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,560 most of my cats are are very into rabbit as well. 568 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,320 They're like, Yep, that's but that's a that's a natural. 569 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,160 It's yes like very species appropriate food for them to be 570 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,440 eating anyway, regardless of like taking into account Chinese 571 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,480 medicine. Yes, yes, and they would not be 572 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:20,360 in in lakes fishing for fish. No, no, no, it's, it's it is to 573 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,800 me so interesting how addicted to fish cats get. 574 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,880 And it's not really a natural natural food source for them. 575 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,920 No. Maybe some of the bigger cats in 576 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:36,360 some areas, you know, will fish, but I can't imagine what we 577 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,239 think of as a traditional house cat to be out there fishing. 578 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,400 OK, so back to the pet store. Everything you're doing, your 579 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,400 podcast, I mean, I feel like you're doing something similar 580 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,040 to what I do here on the pet parenting reset and educating 581 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,120 pet parents. Do you? 582 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440 Did it start out? I'm curious because you were so 583 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,120 like Philadelphia focused. Did it start out that way, like 584 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,960 the podcast too? No, So the podcast started 585 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,720 because I knew this message had to reach further than 586 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:15,040 Pittsburgh. So that's. 587 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,920 I'm sorry. That's OK. 588 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,200 It happens all the time. And we hate each other. 589 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,760 Yeah, it and yeah. And it's Pennsylvania, so how 590 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,200 could we not? Yeah, we are. 591 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,840 We actually like hate each other so, but that's why the podcast 592 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,720 started because I felt like this message had to get further than 593 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,680 just Pittsburgh and Port Charlotte, FL. 594 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,840 And I am an entrepreneur and I always like to be creating and 595 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,880 doing different things. So after having the business for 596 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,120 so long, I was like, I got to do something different here. 597 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,120 I started the podcast in 2022. The grand plan was to get the 598 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,920 podcast off the ground and, you know, let Healthy Pet Products, 599 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,520 my executive management team, take it over and, you know, take 600 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,280 the wheel. And I could just do the podcast, 601 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,040 but it just didn't work that way. 602 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:14,320 Podcasts take a lot of work. So yeah, they take a lot of 603 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,280 work. So that's that's how it 604 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,200 happened. And then just like with pet 605 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,240 sitting, I kind of burned myself out of retail so I decided to 606 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:28,120 sell and fortunately there's another store, there's another 607 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,880 company in Pittsburgh called Pedagogy. 608 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,800 They have two locations and but have freezers and the same 609 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,560 brands and everything. And they're like 15 years 610 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,520 younger than me. So I went to them. 611 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,200 There's 5 owners. I was a single owner and said, 612 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,360 hey guys, I'm thinking it's time for me to move on. 613 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,200 Do you have any interest in buying? 614 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,680 And they did and they were, they were honored that I went to 615 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,400 them. So we had a fantastic experience 616 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,320 with selling the business and, you know, taking, you know, 617 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,040 taking things over and working together through it. 618 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,080 We just really meshed well. And it wasn't, no egos were 619 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,440 involved. It was a really unbelievable 620 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,720 experience. Thank God. 621 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,880 Because like this, you know, yeah, it's a, it's a mission 622 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,080 driven business and my heart and soul for 16 years and that I 623 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,680 worked very hard building. But it's in good hands. 624 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,560 And now I have more time for the podcast and a lot of other 625 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,240 things. And being on the Indie Pet board 626 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,280 is very fulfilling because I am a huge believer and supporter in 627 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,640 those independent pet stores. So when I go on vacation, the 628 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,120 first thing I do is figure out what what stores I'm going to go 629 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,200 visit. That's awesome. 630 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600 What? Talk to me about Indie Pet a 631 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,200 little bit so. Indy Pet was, is it a nonprofit 632 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:58,360 association organized by other Indy pet stores to create this 633 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:05,160 association to make us stronger in numbers, to make our voice 634 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:10,440 heard to manufacturers. And also we are working on 635 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,880 providing tools for them. So like Open Catalog, which is a 636 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,560 one stop shop for them to download SKUs and pictures of 637 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440 products and keep up to date on pricing. 638 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,320 And because a lot of times as an indie pet, a manufacturer will 639 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,440 raise prices and we don't even know it and we're losing money 640 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,960 because we didn't raise prices. So there's a big disconnect 641 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,920 between manufacturers and the amount of indie pet pet stores 642 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,120 in the country. So, so we're and we do a lot of 643 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,280 things at Global Pet Expo and Super Zoo to help educate and 644 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,640 create those relationships with manufacturers. 645 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,760 And I could go on and on and on. So, but Indy and, and we're not 646 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,640 competitors, you know, just like the other pet food store in 647 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,360 Pittsburgh, like we weren't competitors because we're in 648 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,560 different parts of the city. So we really were colleagues. 649 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,400 So we just share information and really strengthen, strengthen 650 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,520 network because if we don't have them, I don't know what's going 651 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,280 to happen. Yeah, I mean, and that again is 652 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,800 such an interesting, I believe that too. 653 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:26,080 I, I can also see where it may be hard for someone who owns a 654 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:31,440 business to have someone else in close proximity with a similar 655 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,920 or exact same almost business. How that could be hard, but also 656 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,680 like especially in in a niche like this where again, it's not 657 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,160 just pet products, but you're really focused on the healthier 658 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,600 pet products. The more people see it, the more 659 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,960 the more they're more likely they are to be like, I guess I 660 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,760 really should check this out regardless of what store they go 661 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,640 into. And it that actually reminds me, 662 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:07,920 earlier I was thinking it online when you're marketing something 663 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,920 online. There are so many touch points 664 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,600 like in the statistics vary depending on the study. 665 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,240 You know who, who's whoever study your, your reading. 666 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,160 But like how many times you have to like hit somebody's feed 667 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,800 before they engage, before they start saying yes to whatever it 668 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,000 is you have to offer. And I, I would imagine in a 669 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:38,120 brick and mortar location, those like, I wonder how many times 670 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,600 they have to hear about you before they walk in the door. 671 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,480 Because generally speaking, once, once they walk in the 672 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,120 door, I think those touch points dramatically like dramatically 673 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200 reduce before they actually purchase from you. 674 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,960 This is probably way more than like the average listener who's 675 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,920 caring to listen to me talk about this right now. 676 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,840 But it is a very interesting thing because I know a lot of 677 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,960 people that listen are trying to build their businesses as well 678 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,400 in in the pet space, whether they are pet sitters or, or or 679 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400 health coaches or whatever they're doing. 680 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,760 But knowing that, you know you do have to have so many touch 681 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,280 points before somebody starts saying yes to you. 682 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,880 Absolutely. And but but those stores, they 683 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880 have a reputation. They have like I grew the 684 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,440 reputation and most of them do across the country that, you 685 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,120 know, you've got issues. Go talk to someone. 686 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,080 Go talk. To toe. 687 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,360 Unhealthy pet products, she will, she can help you. 688 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160 She can help you and our businesses are grown through 689 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:46,360 word of mouth for that reason. So you know, again, another 690 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,760 reason to just and Chewie's not going to give you advice. 691 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Amazon is not going to give you advice and buyer beware, buyer 692 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,840 beware. If you're jumping on the 693 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,040 Internet. I was helping. 694 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,320 I mean, I just have a follower on Instagram and I was they 695 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,520 posted this horrible picture and skin issues going on and and I 696 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,200 started AI said DM me. I can help you And well, I'm 697 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,160 yes, I'm doing a bottom line is yes, I'm doing. 698 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,200 I think it was a probiotic and I said, well, send me which one 699 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,520 you're doing and I'll check it out. 700 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,120 It was fucking made by Amazon. I was like, no. 701 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,000 I had no idea they, I mean, I'm sure they're white labeling it, 702 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,160 but still. Yes. 703 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,040 I was like, no, don't you? So anyhow, yeah, yeah, you have 704 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,560 to. Another reason an indie pet is 705 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560 going to help you. They are really vetting the 706 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,720 products. They are making sure it's not 707 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,200 made in China. They are making sure that their 708 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,560 supplements are NASC certified, National Animal Supplement 709 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,040 Council certified, so third party verified. 710 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,720 I mean, there's so many, there's so many things to it that it 711 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,800 puts a customer, I feel, at a comfort level walking into an 712 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,440 indie pet that you really, for the most part, don't have to. 713 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,280 Look at a label. Yeah, I mean. 714 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,560 Unless there's allergies or whatever. 715 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,840 I still want people to look at labels, but yeah, I mean, I 716 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,240 like, I think that's how people educate themselves. 717 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:16,840 But yes, I completely agree with you. 718 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,160 I think walking into a big box pet store versus walking into an 719 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,240 indie pet store, I am absolutely much more likely to be like, 720 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,800 walk into an indie pet store. You know, tell somebody, walk 721 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,200 into an indie pet store and you're like shop to your heart's 722 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,240 content. But if I send somebody to, I 723 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,080 would never send somebody to a big box, But I just personally 724 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,680 would be like, I don't trust anything that's in there. 725 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,800 No, no. Even even if they had one or two 726 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,240 products that I'd be like, that's actually a good one. 727 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,320 Like I feel like if I sent somebody there for it, they 728 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,600 would get distracted by all these other things and start 729 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,840 buying things that like, no, that's not going to help your 730 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,680 pet at all. And yes, I want people to read 731 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,240 labels too, and to do some research and, you know, 732 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:11,360 understand the philosophy here. But there are so many people 733 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,480 that don't do that. And I, I will say to them, do 734 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,320 you want me to tell you everything about every one of 735 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,960 these brands? I will. 736 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,000 How long do you have? I am happy to provide you with 737 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,040 all of the information. And then you can walk out and 738 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,800 think about it and come back tomorrow. 739 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,560 And sometimes people want to know it all. 740 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,240 And sometimes, sometimes I would. 741 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:34,320 I would hear. Just tell me what to get. 742 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,960 Just tell me what to do and I'll do it. 743 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:38,880 Yeah. So. 744 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,640 I mean, I appreciate that too, because certainly, you know, a 745 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,920 lot of us just only have so much bandwidth. 746 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,360 Well, we all only have so much bandwidth. 747 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,520 But you know, it's, it's a matter of like where you can 748 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,760 focus your time and energy. And if you really do walk it, 749 00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,200 you know, walk into any pet store and just like jive with 750 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,240 somebody and decide you're going to trust them. 751 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,400 That's amazing. That's amazing. 752 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,760 I would much rather you do that than to like, I don't know, 753 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,760 you're not going to walk into Home Depot and like have 754 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,400 somebody tell you to. No, you need to RIP, RIP out the 755 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,040 insulation in your walls and replace it with this one. 756 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,520 That's not going to happen. A different department all the 757 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,720 time. Did you know that? 758 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,840 Yes, that's why I never know anything. 759 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,000 They never know anything. Isn't that like, I think that's 760 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,840 a foolish business business decision? 761 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,720 It is so foolish. Yeah. 762 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,440 Because they're like, for like receptionists. 763 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,000 I talk to people all the time. And it, it, it drives me 764 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,920 absolutely insane that generally speaking in any company, a 765 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,400 receptionist is like the lowest paid person. 766 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,000 And yet they are the face of your company. 767 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,280 Like, they should know everything everybody knows to be 768 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,760 able to answer anybody's question. 769 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,440 And they should be very highly paid. 770 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,680 And we just don't like, respect that at all. 771 00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:58,800 And we should. Yeah. 772 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,200 I'm on so many tangents today. It's a tangent day and I'm I'm 773 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,760 half watching my puppy make sure that she continues to chew on my 774 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,720 Birkenstock and that she already got like a month ago, of course, 775 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,760 right after I resold it. Yeah, yeah. 776 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,440 Oh well, I mean how puppy problems. 777 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,120 She she's already, she's 15 months. 778 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,760 She's. Still, she's still every once in 779 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,600 a while we'll get into something so. 780 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,320 Yeah. So bottom line, I think first of 781 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,360 all, your podcast Tony Unleashed you are you still have a store 782 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,000 in Florida, but I know from talking to you, you're like 783 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,120 really, really heavily focused on doing a lot more with the 784 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,760 Tony Unleashed podcast moving forward. 785 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,520 And I know you know your passion with Indy pet. 786 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,560 I obviously I don't own a store. I will never there's I shouldn't 787 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,240 say never. I highly doubt I would over own 788 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,240 a store. I just don't like to be tied to 789 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,800 a brick and mortar of any sort. Like I want to travel. 790 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,280 I want to do all the things like I don't want to be tied to to 791 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:12,200 brick and mortar, but I just have so much like respect and 792 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,920 appreciation for people that are in Indy Pet that like I'm just 793 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,720 like, accept me, please, because I love you guys so much. 794 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,640 Thank you. I appreciate that. 795 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,520 We appreciate that. I just think it makes such a big 796 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:31,240 difference in in a pet parent's life to have an indie pet store 797 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,760 that they can walk in and trust that who they're talking to is 798 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,320 going to be leading them in the right direction again. 799 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,560 I want them to do their own research and I want them to try 800 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,600 things. Because nobody is going to know 801 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,720 your dog or your cat like you do. 802 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,760 But like, y'all are on the front lines, yeah. 803 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,520 We are on the front lines working hard and trying to 804 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,840 educate because education is going to is going to be 805 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,640 ultimately what tips that needle and we need the needle to tip. 806 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,880 We do so badly. Yeah. 807 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,280 So, Tony, thank you for what you're doing. 808 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,120 I know I do block an hour and a half because sometimes we go 809 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:10,800 over, but I try to keep it at an hour. 810 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,960 I appreciate you. I appreciate you for being here. 811 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,760 I want everybody to go follow Tony Unleashed wherever you get 812 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,200 your podcast. But where? 813 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,280 Where you at there? Tony unleashed So my website 814 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:31,800 istonyunleashed.com Instagram is Tony dot unleashed, Facebook is 815 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,400 Tony unleashed. So pretty easy Tony Unleashed 816 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:42,040 And if I can share real quick, I just became a board member for a 817 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,520 charity that currently is local, but I think will it will soon be 818 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,040 nationwide. It's called the Izzy Fund and we 819 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,840 provide grants to pets currently just dogs. 820 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,040 We haven't branched in the cats yet that need medical care. 821 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,160 So it really can because a lot of people might not realize 822 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,440 this, but a lot of dogs and cats are surrendered in shelters 823 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,040 because the pet parents can't afford the health care. 824 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:13,600 So it's a very great organization and also very 825 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,680 passionate about nonprofits. So I kind of do an educational 826 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:19,240 series, like an educational episode, and then I'll do a 827 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:23,280 nonprofit and then I kind of, I kind of bounce through through 828 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,400 all of them. So thanks for having me, Jeff. 829 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,840 Of course, thank you so much for being here and all right guys, I 830 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,080 will talk to you next week again, make sure to check out 831 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:39,080 Tony Unleashed Everywhere You Are, whatever social media 832 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,520 platform you are on and on your podcast app. 833 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,400 Tony, I hope to see you later this year at Super Zoo. 834 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,480 And until then, you know, just keep recording. 835 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,040 Thanks. I will you too. 836 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,160 Bye guys. Bye.