1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,800 Hey there, it's Jess. If you're new here, I'm a 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,600 certified professional canine nutritionist, raw nutrition 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,720 certified for dogs and cats, a holistic pet health coach, the 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,040 founder of Wild Wellness Pet, and the host of the Pet 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Parenting Reset podcast that you're listening to right now, 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,000 where every pet deserves the absolute best and every pet 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,480 parent is welcome. Learn from the best holistic and 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,880 integrative experts in veterinary medicine and 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,160 nutrition every Tuesday right here on this podcast. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Or get individualized help with your pet through one-on-one 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,840 consultations and take a deep dive into the root cause with 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,840 the Wild Wellness Bioenergetics at Home testing kit. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,880 It's time to rethink how we raise our pets. 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,560 A reset to naturally healthy dogs and cats. 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,720 If you've been feeling like there has to be something more, 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,280 something better, a better way to raise healthier pets, welcome 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,040 to the pet Parenting reset. Welcome back, pet parent. 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,480 As you know, because I talk about it all the time, Kimberly, 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,080 my dog is, she just turned 12. We just celebrated her 12th 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,400 birthday and I have had her since she was about 2 1/2 years 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,040 old. I decided based on all of the 22 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,080 information that I had that she was probably born sometime in 23 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,240 October. So Halloween is like my favorite 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,920 holiday. So I decided her birthday is 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,640 Halloween. That's when we celebrate. 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,560 So she just turned 12. And The thing is that anybody 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,720 that looks at her, anybody that interacts with her for years and 28 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,160 years and years, nobody believes me about how old she is. 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,360 They're like, no way. She's still a puppy because she 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,280 has puppy energy and she's blonde, so it hides the white 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:50,320 fur really, really well. But I notice because she's my 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,040 dog and I'm with her all day every day that they're 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,840 definitely, I mean, granted, we've talked about this, it's 34 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,080 been a real 2025 has been a very tough year for a lot of people. 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,600 I was not excluded from this. I in fact, I feel like I was 36 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,880 like the maid of honor. It's somebody who's I don't know 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,919 what was happening, our moment this year, but it's been 38 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,560 stressful. And I've definitely noticed that 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Kim, like I'm, I'm seeing that she's aging a little bit and 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,240 just various things that she's doing. 41 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,560 And so I've been changing up a few things in her routine. 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,920 One of the things that I recently started her on is 43 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:29,040 Mycodogs clarity, the mushroom blend that they have 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,840 specifically because she's aging. 45 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,920 And so my guest today is Carter Easler. 46 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:38,240 He is the director of research and education with CBD Dog 47 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Health and Myco Dog. And we are going to talk about 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,920 something really. And I, when I say this is cool, 49 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:50,520 this is like the coolest thing that I know that anybody in our 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,800 space has done in a very, very long time. 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:57,320 They have actually put together a study showing the benefits of 52 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,200 specifically their Clarity Blend from Mycodog. 53 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,480 So, Carter, welcome first of all to the pet parents. 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,840 Jessica, happy to be here. We like we were saying before we 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,200 started here, this has been a long time coming. 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,080 I get to see you like a few times a year. 57 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,720 It's always a delight at these different, you know, learning 58 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,520 conventions and industry events. And I feel like you are always 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,200 like right in there at the source of information that is so 60 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,480 helpful for pet parents. So I'm, I'm grateful that your 61 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,840 show exists. I'm grateful that you exist. 62 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,360 So happy to be here. Thank you. 63 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,720 Well, I'm thrilled that you're here because yes, I feel like we 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,000 have been trying to do this for a very long time and it's just 65 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,520 been so much of been going on and you were actually a very big 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,080 participant in getting this study done like this was your 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,800 baby. This is my baby. 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,160 I want to talk all about this study, but before we talk about 69 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,120 this study, we have to talk about the history of CBD dog 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 health and Myco dog. So you know, Angie has been on 71 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,040 the podcast before. We talked about it a little bit, 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,600 but it's been a while. So I'd like to give people just 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,120 kind of a refresher of how CBD dog have started and then 74 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,120 branching into Myco dog and you know the reason behind all of 75 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,280 it. Yeah. 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:20,000 So it, it is like, it's been like a really vital part of my 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,200 life for the last seven years. My, my work with, with Angie 78 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,480 and, and learning and teaching about adaptogens and hemp and 79 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,480 fungi. And it, for me, it all started 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,880 when I first met Angela at her rescue farm for senior dogs and 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,720 farm animals, Fireflake Farm in Florida. 82 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,680 And she'd already been operating this rescue for over 10 years at 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,960 that point. And so I came into this kind of 84 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,680 like magical paradise, like tucked into the woods in, in 85 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:58,240 Florida where she had all these old dogs that were thriving and 86 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,320 all of these, these, all these, this kind of menagerie. 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:07,920 And so I got to live and work there and kind of watch what she 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,320 did. And you know how people would 89 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,720 come and they would drop an old dog off on the door and they'd 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:17,920 be like, listen for, for a variety of reasons. 91 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,640 But so often, like, you know, my, my mother, whose dog died, 92 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,760 my mother died and this is her dog. 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,280 Or I've spent so much money and I'd literally just can't afford 94 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,680 it anymore. I've the vet told me that 95 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,680 there's nothing I could do. And they would leave these dogs 96 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,160 with us and with Angela on the farm and, and depending on the 97 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:44,160 dogs or the animals, one time she got 15 chickens were just 98 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,760 left. They were these fluffy little 99 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,800 chickens. They were so cute. 100 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:53,520 And I would watch her adapt her strategy and use the different 101 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,040 holistic modalities at her fingertips to really care for 102 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,560 these animals in a very individualized way, using the 103 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,720 things that I have always been passionate about. 104 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,240 You know, the using nutrition and medicinal cannabis mushrooms 105 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,200 that I have always been a huge passion of mine. 106 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,880 And we just kind of like fell right in step with one another. 107 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,680 And our passion for, for learning and for the, the why 108 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,640 behind the use of these things just kind of meshed. 109 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,480 So I've been, I've been working with, with these herbs and 110 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,600 mushrooms and with Angela for, for a while now. 111 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,560 And this has been one of my favorite things that I've gotten 112 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,520 to do, making having this research to, to be something 113 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,680 that I could focus on and, and work with our veterinary team on 114 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,520 as a principal investigator is so exciting. 115 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:50,760 Well, I think first of all, just anyone, anyone who has the the 116 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,640 the opportunity to speak with Angela ever is like, you just 117 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:02,720 get drawn into this like, yes, Utopia, like actually exists and 118 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,520 like, oh. Yeah, her passion is electric. 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Yeah, it's kind of amazing. But the reality of the products 120 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,520 and obviously, you know, nobody comes on here to be like buy my 121 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,520 product, right? But the reality of the products 122 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,480 that CBD dog Celtic microdog are putting out on the market, they 123 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,400 are beneficial, I feel like for every mammal in so many 124 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,680 different ways. Absolutely. 125 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,560 I mean we have evolved alongside these, the reishi and the Hemps 126 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,720 and the lavenders for millennia, for millions of years. 127 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,720 And so they are a vital part that we must integrate into our 128 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,320 health systems because it the this kind of area of it being 129 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,720 removed from us is new. That is as in the last 100 years 130 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,760 as we've moved into this structure of society that we're 131 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,280 now in, which is really different from how it used to 132 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,280 be. So like, this is not, it can 133 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,720 seem like, whoa, mushrooms are so big right now. 134 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,640 This is just a return to normal. And with that comes a lot of 135 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,400 learning. There's a lot of learning. 136 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,480 There's a lot of unlearning about, you know, what is 137 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,960 medicine? What, what is the difference 138 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,040 between the mushrooms that I'm getting at the grocery store, 139 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,040 which love them, cooking them every day for myself and my dog? 140 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,320 What's the difference between that and a practitioner grade 141 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,640 therapeutic extract of different functional mushrooms that have 142 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,919 different therapeutic profiles, different purposes? 143 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:47,560 And how do we make them in such a way that they are going to be 144 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,920 the the most potent, the most effective, the safest? 145 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,640 And there are both, you know, again, thousands of years of 146 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,280 traditional use that we can look back to for guidance. 147 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,760 And now more, more and more frequently. 148 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,320 We have really great evidence. We've good science that is 149 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,560 confirmatory of what we've always known. 150 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,680 You know what is, as Angela says, the original medicines. 151 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,040 Yes. Well, and I want to talk about 152 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,480 that science. But before we talk about that 153 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,480 science, how does micro dog look at what you just said? 154 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,200 What is the difference in a mushroom that you're getting at 155 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,600 the grocery store or even maybe at your farmers market? 156 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,840 What is the difference in the mushrooms that you're getting in 157 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,720 say a micro dog tincture? And how does that you get it 158 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:44,280 from a mushroom into this liquid form that we're giving to our 159 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,720 pets? OK, well, I before I just ramble 160 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:53,000 on forever, I will catch myself. I also I've got like a a handout 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,160 that I can give you. That's just my hit list on if 162 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,280 whether you are looking for a mushroom extract for yourself, 163 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,800 for your pet, for your your dad who forgets his keys everyday. 164 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,120 This is a hit list that I'll I'll send to Jessica that is 165 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,920 like just the top factors in something that's going to be 166 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,040 really high quality, safe and hopefully effective. 167 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,040 The first thing, the first kind of main difference between what 168 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,160 you're going to find in your Bella mushrooms at the stop and 169 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,600 shop and something like a dual extracted reishi mushroom from 170 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,480 the fruiting body is, you know, the first thing what what was it 171 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,360 grown on? Was it grown for the purpose of 172 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,400 growing fast and full? You know, think, think like our, 173 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:41,200 our mutant chickens, are they, are we growing this thing to 174 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,680 just like produce as much as it can as fast as we can so we can 175 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:47,560 get it to market and make money on it or sell it? 176 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,840 Not saying that our grocery store mushrooms are bad, not 177 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,720 saying that they're, you know, that it's just a different 178 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,040 purpose. Like is it, is it for just kind 179 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,400 of a food stuff? I would argue that our food 180 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,440 should be as organic and, and well sourced as possible. 181 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:06,720 But regardless, there's a delineation between that and 182 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,880 something that is for therapeutic use. 183 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,600 You know, you, you, it's just like a different scale of focus. 184 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,080 And so as I was saying, what it's grown on is kind of #1 for 185 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:24,720 me, different mushrooms natively grow from different substrates. 186 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,880 Substrates are like whether it's hardwood or leaf litter or dung, 187 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:31,600 they grow on different substrates. 188 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,320 And it's important to recognize what they're getting from those 189 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,040 different substrates. Is there the, the, the 190 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,240 bitulantic acid that's in Birch trees, you know, the, the 191 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,760 different nutritional compounds of, of these different 192 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,640 substrates. And so when we're growing these 193 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,120 mushrooms fast and fierce, most of the time they're being grown 194 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,720 on oats, rice grain, industrial byproducts like wood pulp and 195 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,360 those things. While you can grow chaga on wood 196 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,000 pulp or, or oats, it's not going to have the same chemical 197 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,240 constituents and molecular, molecular makeup, forgive my 198 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:12,400 science overload, but without it growing on kind of the right 199 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,400 stuff, that's, that's kind of #1 And that is if you can find out 200 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,360 that at the beginning, that will cut away a lot of the fat of 201 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,960 what you're looking for in a medicinal mushroom product. 202 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,320 That's, that's really key. And it makes sense, right? 203 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,400 Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think I want to talk about 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,840 some of the things that we are looking for to say, OK, you 205 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,880 know, you have a few different blends. 206 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,120 You also have some like individual, you can just buy the 207 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,960 individual mushroom tincture. But the blends for me is like 208 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,000 where it's at, like these were put together for a reason, for a 209 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480 purpose. They work really well together. 210 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,160 They kind of that's. That's one of the points on my 211 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,560 hit list is you want to be using a blend of mushrooms, you want 212 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:08,280 to rely and take advantage of the synergistic properties with 213 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,080 combination of different mushrooms because as as we 214 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,760 talked about there, there's different specialization between 215 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,040 them. There's also a lot of overlap in 216 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,920 the therapeutic properties. Many of the different mushrooms 217 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,400 are immunoregulatory, They balance inflammation, they're 218 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,920 good for, they've been shown in research to be beneficial for a 219 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,800 whole host of different types of cancer. 220 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,720 So there's a lot of overlap and then there's specialization. 221 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,560 When you use them together, the, the whole is greater than the 222 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:39,800 sum of its parts basically. So the reason that we have those 223 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,440 single extracts is just for, for the most part for like kind of a 224 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,800 fine tuning of the focus, you know, being able to go, you 225 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,400 know, my dog has respiratory issues. 226 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,920 I've got them on breathe, but she's getting a little older, 227 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,880 getting a little little slower. Let's add a little bit of lion's 228 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,280 mane to that and, and have that kind of round out what is this 229 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,920 individual dog's set of needs. Yeah. 230 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,520 So definitely be using a blend that's that's a high 231 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,680 recommendation. So I just want to switch gears a 232 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,960 touch sure before we get too far down the rabbit hole of 233 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,840 mushrooms because that's. Yeah, you just cut me off 234 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,920 because I I get into like science mode and I just start 235 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,480 ranting. You're I well, because we're 236 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,080 going to talk about the senior dog study. 237 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,680 That's kind of the, the point of, of having you on today and 238 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,680 what I am so excited about. But I want, I don't want to 239 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,400 ignore that a full spectrum hemp extract is also insanely 240 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:42,400 beneficial for our dogs. Still, so many people are scared 241 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,560 of it. And I say this like I forget 242 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,240 sometimes. I have certain people in my life 243 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,160 that will remind me very often that they're like, not everybody 244 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,560 knows what you know. I, I have to be reminded of this 245 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,480 so often because I'm just like, this is this feels like common 246 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,640 sense to me. And it's. 247 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Not necessarily. For most people, in fact, like I 248 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,120 was literally talking to my mom earlier this year about one of 249 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:14,640 her animals and herself, and I was like, well, I know you 250 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,200 bought that bottle from CPU dog health because I sent you the 251 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,160 link, blah, blah. I know you got, I know you have 252 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,760 that at your house. Use it. 253 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,760 And she's like terrified even for her dog because where she 254 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,320 she's, she works for a government contractor and they 255 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,200 have just like, scared the crap out of her. 256 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,600 About yeah, the testing and the. Yes, about weed, like she 257 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,720 doesn't understand the differences and so if you can 258 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 kind of explain that a little. Bit Oh my God, we could have a 259 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,760 whole conversation on, on this topic, but it has to do with 260 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,000 the, the unlearning. It's, you know, we, we are 261 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:55,320 really coming out of 80 years of prohibition and coordinated 262 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:02,160 concentrated attacks on not only hemp and and CBD, but pretty 263 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,280 much anything that was competitive against industry, 264 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,880 especially the Pharmaceutical industry throughout the last 265 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,240 century. So like that's, that is not me 266 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,320 just like griping that is documented, factual. 267 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,280 We all know there's all the guests on your, your podcast, 268 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,280 they get this, but you know, there is a fear of this stuff. 269 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:29,200 And I think that with any natural modality, just as with 270 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,880 pharmaceuticals, there is a safe and effective way to use them. 271 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,560 And it's about being knowledgeable about what it is 272 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:42,160 as a therapeutic tool. So really like while there is a 273 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,000 way greater safety profile among these things, it is super 274 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,920 important that you are getting it from a trustworthy source. 275 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,480 Cause 1 hemp extract is not the same as the next. 276 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,640 And even at a high quality, even at like a really high standard 277 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,080 of quality, some strains of hemp are going to have very different 278 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,119 effects from other strains because it's CBD is not CBD is 279 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,319 not like that. CBD is 1 molecule. 280 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:12,400 We are talking about the full spectrum extract of a medicinal 281 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,560 plant with thousands of different unique compounds. 282 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:20,240 So that's why with CBD Dog Health, we have different 283 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,480 strains of hemp for different purposes. 284 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:28,079 You know, if we're going for neurological issues, cognitive 285 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:32,680 support as like kind of a companion to a mushroom, you 286 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,360 know, we're going to have cannabinoids in there like CBG, 287 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,800 which has been studied for its benefit for sleep, cognition, 288 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,400 memory in both humans and dogs. And, and understanding that 289 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,600 there's that big difference can can really help you guide your, 290 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,560 your strategy. So when you say there's for 291 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,760 example, you just said if there's like a higher 292 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,480 concentration of CBG, for example, you're still talking 293 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,440 about this is still a full spectrum hemp product. 294 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Can you tell me why people want full spectrum even if 'cause I 295 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,160 think that can be confusing too. If you're like, well, we have a 296 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,600 higher concentration of CBG in this. 297 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Right, right. That can just sound like we're 298 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:16,120 sprinkling more of that in that. Or is it not full? 299 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,400 Like I think people get confused, Is it not? 300 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,120 Is it full spectrum? Is it not full spectrum? 301 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:21,760 Where are you? I think people get really 302 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,200 confused about that. Totally. 303 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,480 OK, well, think of like, let's let's go apples to oranges. 304 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,480 Are you having a Honey Crisp? Are you having a Macintosh? 305 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,880 Are you having a navel or are you having a blood orange? 306 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:39,760 These are genetic variations on a plant that produce different 307 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,000 fragrances. Flavors have different just 308 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,400 overall chemical makeup. At the same thing is true of 309 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,080 hemp plants. You got you got different 310 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,600 flavors out there and so they they have different compounds. 311 00:18:52,960 --> 00:19:02,440 CBG is one of over 141 unique cannabinoids, CBDCBGTHCV, you 312 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,160 know CBN, they are all different. 313 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,680 CBD and THC are the most abundant. 314 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:14,080 So in any full spectrum extract you're going to see high content 315 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320 of CBD. But then if it is a true full 316 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,280 spectrum, you should have a breakdown of a bunch of other 317 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,360 what we call minor cannabinoids like CBGCBN that have their own 318 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,920 therapeutic benefits. And so in any extract, you do 319 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,640 want it to be in its most raw and unprocessed form because 320 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,080 then you're going to get that incredible diversity of not only 321 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,120 cannabinoids, but terpenes like beta charyophylline, fantastic 322 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:42,920 for inflammation, studied for its benefits to cancer, 323 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,760 flavonoids like quercetin, you may have heard of great 324 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,200 immunoregulator, really good for itchy dogs. 325 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,680 So we want all those different compounds and when we start to 326 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,400 isolate them, when we, you know, have somebody who is rightfully 327 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,680 scared like your mom because of the the onus that's been put on 328 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,040 her, like if we detect. A Micron of THC in your blood, 329 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,080 you lose your job. People are scared of it. 330 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,600 We're totally reasonably, but we start isolating it. 331 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,920 We get it down to a broad spectrum where we've taken THC 332 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,520 out, not just THCTHC comes out of that thing with a bunch of 333 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 other stuff. And then we get down to isolates 334 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,080 where it's we basically tried to make a pharmaceutical drug out 335 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,880 of a plant and we're we've we've lost the plot. 336 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,640 You know, it's like it's, it's a totally different thing at that 337 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,840 point. So, yeah, I mean, and, and just 338 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,880 as like a final thing on it, it's like the safety profile of 339 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,960 this plant in its unadulterated form is incredibly high broad 340 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,600 therapeutic window, meaning you don't have to land on a specific 341 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,000 dosage really, you can be in this range and high safety 342 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,480 profile. It's really amazing. 343 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,760 So just kind of knowing what the properties are, having a little 344 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,120 bit more knowledge about like what's going to be what, what is 345 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:57,400 my pet need again, And I'm sorry, I'm I'm to go on, but the 346 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,040 same principles apply to how we're extracting our mushrooms. 347 00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:07,040 We want the broadest spectrum of those naturally occurring bio 348 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,200 active molecules that work synergistically as possible. 349 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,160 So different set of kind of practices because each plants 350 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,960 are very different from fungi and certain fungi have ways that 351 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,240 they need to be extracted. Certain plants do better in 352 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,320 different extraction methods, but we want to rely on 353 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:30,040 traditional use and science to to hone that in on what is going 354 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,920 to give you the best outcome. And sometimes that sometimes 355 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,920 that's more expensive. You know, sometimes you can go 356 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,440 like, OK, well, why is this one this much? 357 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,280 And why is that one that much? And it's like, well, did they 358 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,760 grow it in like a a dank basement in a plastic bag? 359 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,480 Or was this grown in an old growth forest in the Pacific 360 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Northwest on its native substrate, you know, harvesting 361 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,880 the, the fruiting body, the, the, the, the place where 362 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,720 there's the most, the greatest concentration of all those 363 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:07,080 beneficial molecules or the, the just the buds, the flowering 364 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,520 buds of the hemp plant. Again, where there's all the 365 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,480 good stuff is are we, are there any like fillers? 366 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,760 How how look at the look at the ingredients, how many like 367 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:19,440 fillers and flow agents and other stuff that's in there for 368 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,360 the basically for the ease of manufacturing shipping, storage 369 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,480 like that. It's a lot of it is superfluous 370 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,160 and and unnecessary, but there are parts that are like is that 371 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,400 we don't want to compromise on. Well, and I think today, 372 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,080 especially our dogs and cats are the sickest they have ever been. 373 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,840 And you know, a lot of I, I do hear a lot of people like they 374 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,560 want to cut corners, they want to save money. 375 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,400 The economy sucks right now. I get. 376 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,640 It it's rough. But at the same time, we live in 377 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:57,520 the most toxic time ever that we know of on our planet. 378 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,760 And so to be more discerning about when you are going to go 379 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,480 out of your way to buy certain types of supplements for your 380 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:14,800 pet, as an example, like, why not take the extra step and yes, 381 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:22,240 probably a little extra money up front to say, OK, I know my dog 382 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,280 or my cat is sick. And I know that dogs and cats 383 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,640 are sicker than they have ever been in the history of us having 384 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,840 domesticated these animals or in the process of domesticating 385 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,440 these animals, as I like to say with our cats. 386 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:40,360 And say, like, OK, I want to actually pick a product that is 387 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:44,360 the safest, it has the best efficacy. 388 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,240 I know it's the cleanest. And that's one of the things 389 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:53,720 that I have loved about CBD Dog Health and Mycodog in my years 390 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,080 in the healthy pet space is that I feel like out of pretty much 391 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:04,040 any company that's out there, I have learned more from you guys 392 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,640 than anybody. We're doing our job then, 'cause 393 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,840 they like, I, I feel you like it's, it's rough out there and 394 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,680 there's a lot of information that we're getting. 395 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,040 We're overloaded with information about, you know, it 396 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,640 really, it can just be easy to kind of be like, damn, things 397 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,000 are bad. But at the same time, we have, 398 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560 we do have greater access to information than we've ever had. 399 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,280 And there is a huge renewed interest in how we can use these 400 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,400 things. And I, so I believe that if you, 401 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,280 if, if you just train yourself, I, I, I work on myself every day 402 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,640 when I'm like, Oh my God, there's another thing I don't 403 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,200 know that, you know, that is not, but that doesn't have to be 404 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,240 like, damn, I don't know enough. That is, hey, this is something 405 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,160 else I can add to my tool belt. And with each thing that you add 406 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:02,080 your tool belt, you get, you get better at incorporating it and, 407 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,000 and you are able to better spot the gaps in your strategy. 408 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,280 So like it's, it's progressive, you know, it's not like you're, 409 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,520 you're not starting at square 1. And so I believe that if you 410 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,920 just take it step by step, learn as you go, you may need to hear 411 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,560 something repeated a number of times. 412 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,320 And someday you might, it just might click on something that 413 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,760 you'd forgotten you had kind of in, in the back of your mind. 414 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,520 Yeah. We just got to be gentle with 415 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,440 ourselves, 'cause I 'cause I find the same thing. 416 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,560 I meet people like, I had this vet come up to me recently at a 417 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,360 show and we were talking. She's like, well, I just don't 418 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:41,280 recommend CBD because you know, it's, it's it's toxic. 419 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,720 And I was like, OK, and like, just like, hold myself back. 420 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,560 This is we can greet this in a gentle way. 421 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,120 I'm like, I would love to hear you. 422 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,440 Yes, I'm I'm like, I'm so curious what, why? 423 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,680 Why that? Why you think that? 424 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,400 Right. Yeah, good. 425 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,000 Because like I always like I, I'm really careful with myself 426 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,760 to, not, to not overreach and to make sure that I fully 427 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,600 understand it to, to be a discerning eye and look at the 428 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,200 science, like figure out where people are bullshitting. 429 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,600 Basically, like where is the, where is the bullshit? 430 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,640 Let's let's put our bullshit hat on, be like, OK, does this make 431 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,280 sense? What is the information that 432 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,920 they're providing to justify me spending 50 to $100 on something 433 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,520 like that's not nothing. I, I, I'm, I'm relying on this 434 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,160 and, and like my best friend is sitting there not feeling their 435 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,240 best. And I'm that like that's, it's 436 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,360 personal. It's, it's deeply personal. 437 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:45,600 And so I get why people are kind of like. 438 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,840 Yeah, yeah. Well, and I want to say before 439 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,680 we jump into the senior dog study, I, my sister has goldens 440 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,440 and we know most goldens are going to, if they live long 441 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,560 enough, they're going to have cancer. 442 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,720 And this was actually a golden that her husband came to her 443 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,480 with, but she bonded with really, really deeply. 444 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:13,840 And he did get cancer for I will say the first time I think in my 445 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760 life, even though people in my family come to me all the time 446 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320 and ask me advice all the time, it never gets taken. 447 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,160 Well, this time she came to me and she asked my advice because 448 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600 she was just devastated that her dog was just diagnosed with 449 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,240 cancer. And literally the vet was like 450 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840 maybe a couple of weeks, like maybe you got a couple of weeks, 451 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,680 right. And so I was like, all right, 452 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240 here we go. Had her put him on a ketogenic 453 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,560 diet. I incorporated CBD. 454 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,880 I incorporated much I like CBD dog health and micro dog and a 455 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280 few other things. And she got almost 8 more months 456 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,200 with this dog and I'm like, I'm just so I was so thankful one 457 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,840 that she decided to take my advice, not because it was my 458 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,280 advice, but because she got so much more time with this dog. 459 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,760 And it was very little. Like literally I just was like, 460 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760 here you go. Here are some recipes, some, you 461 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,560 know, ketogenic recipes here. These are the supplements I'm 462 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360 recommending you give him. And she said I'm doing 100% of 463 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,560 it. I don't care because I love this 464 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,800 dog so much. Right, sometimes it like it 465 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,720 takes that shock event to spur the kind of drive to be 466 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760 consistent, to make those changes that seem really big. 467 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,640 And then once you've done that, it's, there's no going back. 468 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,360 So I'm, I'm excited that she has taken the dive and, and, and so 469 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,680 heartened to hear all the all the success that they've been 470 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920 having because it's, you know, it, it there is. 471 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,920 Sorry, just waiting for siren to pass so loud. 472 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,320 It's OK. Yeah, there is real change that 473 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,120 we can affect. You know, these, these natural 474 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,480 elements are, are no nonsense. It can really make a difference, 475 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,440 and quickly. Yeah, yeah. 476 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Oh my gosh, yes. Very quickly, Yeah. 477 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,760 Talking about making a real change in your pet's life, I 478 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040 said at the very beginning of this podcast, Kim just turned 12 479 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,760 years old. And so there are a few things 480 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,640 that I'm changing because I finally like now that we're 481 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,360 getting to the end of the year, I finally feel like I have a 482 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,360 little bit of bandwidth back in my own life and in my space to 483 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080 actually do the things that I have been doing for so many 484 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,800 years with her. But then this year was just 485 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840 crazy and and a lot of things kind of fell by the wayside. 486 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,640 And then I started, like I said, I started noticing that like, 487 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,440 OK, there were signs of aging that I had not seen in her 488 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,480 before. So one of the things was that I 489 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,920 started adding my godogs clarity and to I just give it to her 490 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640 with her food, which I know there are lots of different ways 491 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640 we can do it, putting it directly on their gums, like all 492 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080 the things. But this is where I am at life 493 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880 right now. I'm putting things in her food. 494 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560 It's actually totally fine for you to put the mushrooms in in 495 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,560 the food that's recommended in. Fact and clarity is what you did 496 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720 the senior doc study on correct? Yes, that's correct. 497 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,560 So it's a it's a blend of lion's mane, Cordyceps, reishi and then 498 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960 two other adaptogenic herbs, Ashwaganda and Bacopa monieri. 499 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,480 So OK, you have said the word adaptogen a couple of times. 500 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,840 Can you tell me what it is? Yeah. 501 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,080 So I like to frame it kind of in a this or that kind of way where 502 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,000 a let's think of like a, a common pharmaceutical like an N 503 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:50,000 said like Remedil or carprofen, A molecule that is a specific 504 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,360 molecule with a unidirectional effect in the body. 505 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,800 It, it affects kind of one thing and it and it's often a really 506 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400 kind of like either it is disrupting it and completely 507 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,000 turning it off or, or it is up regulating it to quite a 508 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,680 significant degree. When we talk about herbs, 509 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,680 plants, fungi with adaptogenic properties, what that basically 510 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,040 means is they are communicating more on a systemic level with 511 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160 the body's various functional elements. 512 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,640 And so that's almost kind of like a filter often to the 513 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960 downstream effect. And what they are doing is they 514 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,600 are adapting to the specific needs of the body. 515 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280 The it's, it's relying on these networks and, and frameworks of 516 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600 function in the body, whether it be the immune system, the 517 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,560 neurological system, it's just bringing them back to balance 518 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,880 basically. So whether that needs that is a 519 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,120 stimulating effect or a depressive effect, it will adapt 520 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,840 to what the body needs in that moment. 521 00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:01,160 So herbs like Ashwagandha adoption, Reishi adaptogen, hemp 522 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,960 adaptogen, but they're really cool and, and you'll find a lot 523 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,480 of herbs and plants that have adaptogenic properties and there 524 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,160 are, and there are also many that don't. 525 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,640 There are many that are much more unidirectional, albeit less 526 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160 kind of narrowly focused, than something that is more isolated 527 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,760 and refined or synthetic. Or synthetic, which is a whole 528 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440 other topic. Whole other thing. 529 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Whole other thing. So what are so if, if somebody 530 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,360 is looking at their dog and they're going, I wonder, I'm 531 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040 just wondering like I've, I've noticed some of them changes, 532 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,480 they're getting older. What are some of the things that 533 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,240 you would be looking forward to say? 534 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,360 You know what clarity would be great for this dog. 535 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Yeah, it's. It's so fascinating because the 536 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,600 process of aging can be so different for every animal, 537 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,600 every person. And so the scoring criteria that 538 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,840 we used in the senior dog study was a really broad look at kind 539 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:09,560 of the main components that classify CCD, canine cognitive 540 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760 dysfunction. And so the behaviors that we're 541 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,360 looking at are things like sleep quality, energy and activity 542 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,480 during the day, eye contact, appetite. 543 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,600 Are they able to perform the commands that you have taught 544 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,600 them and that you've been used to doing so for instance, one of 545 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880 the dogs in our study, she is a 13 year old scent hound. 546 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,200 Her name's Jesse and she, her her pet parent was a like long 547 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800 time breeder and trainer of these scent dogs. 548 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,240 This Jesse was kind of like the matriarch of this of this brood 549 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,040 and and she was amazing scent dog like like top in the class 550 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,840 awards. And as the last year or so 551 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,360 progressed with her, she started losing the trail and not being 552 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,480 able to perform her same tracks and and new ones that were very 553 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600 much at her level. And this is the dog that was 554 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,800 kind of the model that that they would use with the other dogs to 555 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,159 train with. So, you know, it was very like 556 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,760 personally for them really hard. They love, you know, they love 557 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,639 this dog so much. And to see her kind of losing 558 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,440 her way is really scary. But she, she, she was able to 559 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,760 sleep better through the night, which we know is so important 560 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,920 for recovery in the brain and immune system all over the 561 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560 place. She was able to kind of be more 562 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,199 present, more playful with the younger dogs that were starting 563 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,560 to occur a little bit. And she started doing her 564 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,800 courses again and being able to complete them little by little 565 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480 over the course of our sixty day study. 566 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,000 And so she's she's doing well. She's still on it now. 567 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,840 We check in every once in a while. 568 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,560 But yeah, that is so, yeah. Your your question was what can 569 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,960 it look like? A lot of different things. 570 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,960 And you know your dog best when there are little changes 571 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200 happening. Pay pay attention to that. 572 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960 And another thing that I learned from the study too, is like, 573 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,680 wow, the benefits of having data to to like not have to rely on 574 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,120 my little caveman brain to remember every little thing that 575 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,200 happens in my dog's life and then contextualize it in weeks 576 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,840 and months. Like you said, we are all so 577 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,520 busy. And it's in these down times 578 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,520 that I'm like, Archie does look a little fat in the back. 579 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,120 But but you know, the having in the study, the ability to track 580 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,640 their sleep, their rest interruptions, their daily 581 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,800 rhythms, pacing activity levels through the day using this 24 582 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,760 hour monitoring device that we had on all the dogs in our 583 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,840 cohort that gave us and these pet parents real grounded 584 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,040 information of like, Oh yeah, she, she is having less sleep 585 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,920 interruptions. She is more active during the 586 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,360 day that it's not, but that being then coordinated to the 587 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,800 weekly reports that everybody was doing, asking this long list 588 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,080 64 questions that are really specific that we're doing once a 589 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,800 week. To be able to correlate that 590 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,960 with the hard data is very confirmatory and kind of like 591 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,040 not only paints the human experience of it, but the actual 592 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:39,280 quantification of those changes. I was, I'm so glad that like you 593 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,360 kind of drew that out a little bit because I was literally 594 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,520 tearing up when you were talking about Jesse. 595 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,240 Because what was going through my mind was that so many of us 596 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,240 just accept a lot of these symptoms and kind of brush them 597 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,360 off as it's just part of old age. 598 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,040 It's just part of growing older. And we don't have to accept 599 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,920 that. It's not like just because it's 600 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,320 common doesn't mean it's normal. And I know there's a lot of a 601 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,760 lot of people. I actually have been in a debate 602 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,160 with people online. Like I don't really debate 603 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,840 people online. I think it's such a waste of 604 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920 time and energy. Yeah, like. 605 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,560 I, I have done this before because people are like, that's 606 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,160 common and normal mean the same thing. 607 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,840 I'm like, no, like this is this is the part of of like where we 608 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,280 are now in society that is wrong, that is falling apart, 609 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200 that like we do not have to accept that this is just a part 610 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,600 of aging for our dogs. Right. 611 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,920 Yeah, I I completely agree. It's it's so funny you bring 612 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,880 that up. I was, I was talking to somebody 613 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240 else about this last week. It's the the idea that we have 614 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:53,000 to become old and decrepit is just in a response to a 615 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,560 degenerative lifestyle piece of information that came from our 616 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640 researches. The dogs who had the greatest 617 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400 improvement, who had the most success, most return to 618 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,680 stabilization, where this middle chunk on our, our kind of scale 619 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,320 of severity, the dogs in the middle cohort really saw the 620 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,920 greatest improvements, which is kind of what we know 621 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600 intrinsically. You know, if we can catch this 622 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,040 stuff earlier, we can do a lot more in terms of expanding their 623 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,320 longevity. And so I, I really think that 624 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,400 that is kind of the, the other side of the scale of this kind 625 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,440 of mindset where degeneration is, is just how it goes. 626 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,160 What if we shift the lens to look at what is generative 627 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840 health? What, what are the practices 628 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,680 that we were doing that literally in our bodies are 629 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,840 encouraging Genesis create new pathways, creating new cellular 630 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,480 energy, new, you know, more muscle more more like 631 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,600 neurogenesis in the brain, literally creating those 632 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,080 specialized nerve cells that communicate through electrical 633 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120 energy throughout the body. And that's what some of these 634 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120 mushrooms have been studied to do. 635 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,720 Lion's mane is it's so cool. One of the one of the coolest 636 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,200 things about lion's mane, you like RIP it in half and it looks 637 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,440 like a brain. It's so cool. 638 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,240 It look like there's a stem at the bottom and then these like 639 00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,920 soft tendrils that go out into this like fanned Dome. 640 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,560 It's looks like a brain. It's great for the brain. 641 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,280 So it's both neuroprotective protects those neuronal 642 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,400 connections and stimulates the genesis of new ones. 643 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,880 You can study these different biomarkers in the body. 644 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,680 In the body has previously been heavily researched for NGF nerve 645 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,920 growth factor. In our study, we looked at 646 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,360 another more novel biomarker of neurogenesis called BDNF which 647 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,080 is brain derived neurotrophic factor and we're able to measure 648 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,000 increases in neurogenesis basically. 649 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,880 That's incredible though, I I feel like everyday you could 650 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000 learn something new about a mushroom and spend the rest of 651 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,840 your life. Learning Oh yeah, Oh yeah, 652 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,360 they're so cool yeah I love my other favorite one is Cordyceps. 653 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,240 Cordyceps is like the yellow stringy ones They're like, 654 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,760 they're often called like the zombie mushroom 'cause there's 655 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080 there's what's that show The Last of Us. 656 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040 It's like an alternate horror universe involving fungi. 657 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,520 But Cordyceps are amazing for basically their ability to 658 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,440 number one, increase blood oxygenation, just fantastic for 659 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,880 the brain, more, more oxygen in the brain. 660 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480 Sign me up. And then the other thing is 661 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,080 helping with just creating energy on, on like the 662 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,800 mitochondria level of our cells. So allowing these mitochondria 663 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,840 to create more of those building blocks of energy that are then 664 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,600 used in the cellular level to the tissue, to organs and, and 665 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,400 also Cordyceps is often used. It really is like a vitality 666 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000 stimulant. Basically athletes in human 667 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000 studies often use it. It's been shown to increase 668 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,360 respiratory capacity in, in athletes by up to 10% with 669 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,960 regular use. So there's, there's so many 670 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,680 benefits to it. And especially for an old dog, I 671 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,240 love this combination of mushrooms that kind of target 672 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,560 different, different parts of the experience of aging. 673 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560 You know, are they slowing down? Are they, are they in more pain? 674 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,040 Are they just like not as bright? 675 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,280 Well, reishi can help you sleep. It's got a great calming effect. 676 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,760 It's great for for stress and inflammation. 677 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,440 Cordyceps, that vitality, bringer oxygen energy, lion's 678 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000 mane, just like open up the pathways and protecting the 679 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,520 nerves. It's such a cool relationship 680 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,680 between them and one more ashwagandha. 681 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,080 I love ashwagandha. The studies have shown that 682 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,480 ashwagandha can reduce cortisol up to 30% cortisol, the stress 683 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120 hormone. So a lot of this focused on 684 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,640 sleep and sleep was one of the main changes that we really 685 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,000 measured throughout this study. So essential. 686 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,360 So, OK, tell me more about the study because I, I think I just 687 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,240 saw a clip where Angela was talking to the veterinarian that 688 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:35,320 y'all worked with and like he has a long history in doing 689 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,720 studies and in pharmaceutical studies as well. 690 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,200 So it's not just like, oh, we found somebody who already 691 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360 speaks our language. Like you went out and you were 692 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,560 like, let me show you. Absolutely. 693 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,640 Yeah. So we were, we were looking for 694 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,680 the right group, the right vet to work with to guide the 695 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,320 clinical side. I mean, this is a full clinical 696 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,480 study and we needed somebody who knew how to do this, who could 697 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,200 do good science that would be, that would stand up to peer 698 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160 review. And Doctor Joel Ernstweig at the 699 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,360 Veterinary Health Research Centers, he has, he's been a vet 700 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,320 for over 30 years. He's been working in clinical 701 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,280 research specifically for about 15 years. 702 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,000 And most of the most of the products that he was working 703 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000 with, most of the the novel ingredients were pharmaceutical, 704 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,400 nutraceutical as things have progressed in the last, you 705 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,440 know, decade for him. And then we were truly his first 706 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,160 fully natural. I, I mean that word is has lost 707 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,920 so much value. But you know, whole whole plant, 708 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:58,860 whole fungi extractions. I'm actually I'm probably moving 709 00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:01,540 soon and I'm going to be facing the same issue and I'm like what 710 00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:04,340 am I going to do? I don't mind it until I'm on 711 00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,380 somebody's show and I have to do that right. 712 00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:09,660 Yeah. If it's live and I'm like, well, 713 00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,980 you talk for a bit. Right. 714 00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:14,540 Yeah, exactly. OK, where were we? 715 00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:15,340 Yeah. So he. 716 00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:18,760 Yeah. So this was this was new for him 717 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,200 and also a great challenge. You know, like, I don't want 718 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960 somebody who is just going to agree with everything that we 719 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,120 say as we're designing it. I want to have somebody who will 720 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,240 stand their ground and and know their stuff. 721 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960 And you know, like I'm not the authority. 722 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,880 I'm, I, we are hiring somebody to have a really grounded 723 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,760 experience of studying these things and bring to that our 724 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,440 knowledge and information and practical experience and, and, 725 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,440 and research. You know, I was, I, he wanted to 726 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,400 do certain things and I was like, OK, but let's add, let's 727 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,560 add this. You know, we should also be 728 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,560 testing blood biomarkers. And even if they're more new, 729 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,120 why don't we be the first ones to really quantify this? 730 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,760 We are the first clinical study to look into the use of 731 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600 mushrooms and adaptogens for CCD. 732 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,000 The first one, I mean like, that's so cool. 733 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,200 I'm so proud of that. And you took kind of touched on 734 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,280 it earlier and this is a kind of a sidebar, but you know, it is 735 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,240 it's not about like buy our product, do this, everyone's 736 00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,440 going to find what they need to find. 737 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,360 I deeply believe in, in the products that we produce, but my 738 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,360 hope for this project is that the next time somebody goes into 739 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,760 their vet and says, Hey, I'm dealing with this with my dog, 740 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000 the vet doesn't say, well, there's nothing that we can do. 741 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,240 There is there really aren't any drugs out there for that. 742 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,680 So good luck. Because that's what most of the 743 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,720 clients that we worked with said about their, their experience. 744 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,000 Or I would hope that maybe you're sitting in the waiting 745 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,680 room and somebody goes, Oh my. I just, I actually have my dog 746 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,000 on some mushrooms that are really helping them try this. 747 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880 You know, I want more people to know about this stuff that like 748 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800 I am out here screaming it from the mountaintop. 749 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600 Like this stuff is amazing. I use it every day for myself. 750 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,880 I've got my family on it. My dog is on it. 751 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,520 He's only a year and a half old. But no, I'm going for the long 752 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,280 run. I'm going for the long run. 753 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,960 OK, let me, let me stop you there. 754 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,880 Yeah, because I think this is so important, I'm going to, I'm 755 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,880 going to relate this back to something a little different. 756 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,800 But I, as I have found controversial, I actually 757 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,840 anytime I try to talk on social media about getting blood work 758 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,880 done for your pets early on in their life, people are like, oh, 759 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,400 but my vet says I don't need to do that. 760 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000 Why would I listen to you? And I'm like, OK, but when 761 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080 something happens when they're 6810 years old and this is the 762 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,080 first time you're getting blood work done for your dog, you 763 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,040 don't have anything to compare it to, right? 764 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,240 So that's what I'm thinking in my mind when you just brought up 765 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,760 you have a young dog, which by the way, congratulations on your 766 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,080 new family and you already have him started on a product that we 767 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200 are in the realm of products that we are talking about using 768 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,880 for older dogs or dogs that are having some sort of deficit that 769 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,880 we're noticing. So it is just as important to 770 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,120 set them up for success. Can you tell me a little bit 771 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240 about that and how you see mushrooms and full spectrum hemp 772 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,760 as setting our pets up for success? 773 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,440 Yeah, I mean, I, I don't want to diminish the use case of these 774 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,960 later stage these animals that are in need right now of help. 775 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,480 There are a lot of properties of these mushrooms and and 776 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,760 adaptations and hemp that will give you immediate changes, you 777 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,000 know, changes in their, their, their sensation of discomfort 778 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,400 and pain that you can immediately see them just like 779 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,720 relax. So important for old dogs, if 780 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,240 you're in pain, if you're stressed, you're not healing. 781 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,000 We need to help the body move into that more kind of 782 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,360 sympathetic nervous state. And that's just kind of one of 783 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,200 the things that you could see pretty immediately. 784 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,080 But then when we talk about more of these systemic modulations, 785 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,320 just making sure that the immune system stays on its track. 786 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200 It's so much better to be working with these like small 787 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,720 corrections rather than like, OK, left turn, you know, it's we 788 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,480 got a we got a problem. Let's got to go over there now 789 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,800 and that's really how I look at Archie's longevity is like, 790 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560 let's make these little corrections here and there. 791 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,240 Try as much as we can to anticipate, you know, major 792 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:54,080 shifts with things like blood work, with activity monitors and 793 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,960 just with kind of a keen eye, making sure to check in with 794 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800 them and kind of see how they're doing on a regular basis. 795 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,640 Because it if, if we can just work strategically from the 796 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,280 moment that we have the opportunity. 797 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,480 Whether you got a dog that's be rescued that's five years old or 798 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,320 you get a, a dog from puppyhood, start, start when you're ready, 799 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,560 start when, start when it is your time. 800 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,240 And don't judge yourself for being too late 'cause it's too 801 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,800 late. Just just just go from where you 802 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,480 are and, and recognize, I think if we're going in a proactive 803 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,040 mode, just for instance, the example of your, your sister's 804 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,160 golden retrievers, recognize what are the genetic 805 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,560 predispositions of this kind of dog. 806 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,200 Maybe that's something, you know, if I've got a golden 807 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,200 retriever, I've got another large breed dog that 808 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,520 statistically is more likely to get these sort of neoplasias and 809 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,320 cancers and cellular just regulations. 810 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,960 Let's put them on these things that have been shown to help the 811 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,440 body regulate those things. Turkey tail, it's incredible for 812 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,680 encouraging these T cells and B cells, these cells that are 813 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,840 these immune cells that are out there to seek out abnormal 814 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680 cells, mutated cells and basically take out the trash 815 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,600 like that's that's something that we want the body the body 816 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,760 does it every day every day, all day right now the body is doing 817 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,400 that and we just want to like we want to keep that chugging along 818 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,320 in an optimal way. So it's so beneficial both long 819 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,120 term and acutely, you just kind of again, keep adapting the 820 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,240 strategy. I totally derailed you, but 821 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,680 we'll spend the rest of the time talking about. 822 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,200 Oh my God, I'm like, I'm so like I'm going way off on all this 823 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,560 and I'm giving you like a 10 minute answer to everything you 824 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,840 ask. I love it though, because I 825 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,240 mean, this is just real. This is what we are thinking and 826 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,040 trying to get out into the world. 827 00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:00,120 So, OK, you hired a veterinarian with extensive experience in 828 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,200 conducting studies because you wanted this to be like with 829 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,640 stand peer review to to be able to say we're not just out here 830 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:14,040 telling you that this works, we're showing you with data that 831 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,320 this works. So you've talked about having 832 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,160 extensive questionnaires. You gave us an example of Jesse, 833 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,200 the scent hound or I don't know if it was a hound, but it was a 834 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:31,920 scent dog. And so, OK, how did you pick the 835 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,200 dogs for the study? You talked about like that the 836 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,640 like median group of dogs having the best responses to the 837 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:43,720 mushrooms. What? 838 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,720 OK, who, who were you bringing into the study? 839 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,760 How are you selecting those dogs and what did that median group 840 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:58,320 kind of look like? So we screened over 500 dogs. 841 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,520 So we had a lot of different backgrounds. 842 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,080 They're they're from all over the country. 843 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,560 They're at different household income levels, eating different 844 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,520 foods, you know, climatically different regions and within a 845 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,360 range of, you know, I think our youngest dog was 7 and our 846 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,400 oldest dog was 16. So, you know, some earlier onset 847 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,520 and some that are really trying to figure out what they can do 848 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,840 for these basic often kind of palliative care for these these 849 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,800 dogs. We enrolled 30 in in the end of 850 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:42,160 our study both in an in person in clinic setting as well as 851 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,800 digitally across the country. And yeah, what I'm sorry, what 852 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,760 was here? Can you? 853 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,360 So that, that I know that median group, you talked about the 854 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,520 median group having the best like success with the mushrooms. 855 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,280 What, what were you seeing between like, like you just 856 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,120 said, like you got this like early onset, you've got this 857 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,280 like really later palliative care. 858 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,680 What are you, what does that median group look like? 859 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,680 How can we, like, equate that to what people are going to see in 860 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,040 their homes with their pets? Yeah, so I, I, it might look 861 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,920 like if you've ever heard of sundowning, if you've that's, 862 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,040 that's kind of a really common parallel when we look at CCD 863 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,960 rest interruptions through the night, pacing, having trouble 864 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,400 kind of setting into sleep, getting settled, less consistent 865 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,960 sleep, being kind of lost in the house, going to pee, but then 866 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,720 getting outside and being like, what am I doing out here? 867 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,600 Or, or forgetting to pee at all House soiling the, the, you 868 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640 know, the messes that they're making in the house, aggression, 869 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,160 discomfort, just like less interaction. 870 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,720 So this median group, they're, they're not at a degenerative 871 00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:03,560 phase where they are kind of off the deep end that we've, we've 872 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,600 really lost their personality. They're still connecting, but 873 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,320 there's just some like faltering happening in what pet parents 874 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,520 have kind of seen as their normal. 875 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:19,720 And so this the median group we see kind of the best responses 876 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,080 really one of the focuses is sleep. 877 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:29,000 We had a 42% reduction in sleep interruptions in this group at 878 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040 12% increase in sleep efficiency. 879 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,560 So really quantifiable levels of a change in their rest phase, 880 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,040 which is essential for neurogenesis. 881 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,240 So, you know, more sleep, especially for our old dogs, is 882 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,080 really important for their ability to continue to 883 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:59,320 stabilize, grow, balance, heal. So that's not to say that the 884 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,760 animals kind of on the other end where they were maybe more in 885 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,400 that palliative care phase didn't see results. 886 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,640 They just. Oh, absolutely not. 887 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,440 No, there are the, there's a case of a dog that I met in 888 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,520 March and this, this guy, he wanted to submit his dog for the 889 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,200 study and he, you know, this dog was in terrible shape. 890 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,760 It had a, it had a lot going on. They had a euthanasia 891 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,880 appointment set in, in 10 days when I met him. 892 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,840 And I was like, damn it, I, I wish that we had met two months 893 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,800 ago, but so it didn't make sense for him to be part of our study, 894 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,760 but we like, I overnighted him a bottle of clarity and I was 895 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,920 like, just try this, see how it goes. 896 00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,960 I, I, I hope that it helps and thanks for your interest. 897 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,160 And he started using it and he called me three days later and 898 00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,800 he was like, she's sleeping and she up and about during the day 899 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520 for the first time in months. We went for, we went for a 30 900 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,480 minute walk today. It's the first time that I've 901 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,720 been able to walk with her in two months like that. 902 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,760 And he cancelled his euthanasia appointment. 903 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,760 He got, he got quality time where this dog was less in pain, 904 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,400 less stressed, just less kind of weary and was able to, to, to 905 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,880 come back to him. And so it, this is, I mean, it 906 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,240 happened to, it happened to Jenny, who's on our team with 907 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,440 her Great Dane, as Angela was launching the products. 908 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600 Like we didn't even have them in bottles yet. 909 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,040 And Angie sent her a jar of Clarity and same thing, same 910 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,000 thing happened where she was like, I think it's the end. 911 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,920 And it ended up being a real lifeline, Yeah. 912 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,440 Honestly, like dog dog tears flow out of me so easily. 913 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,000 I'm like if I I can scroll by something and I'm like, oh, 914 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,280 can't watch that right now. I mean, I know like I, I am that 915 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,640 person that if, like if I hear that Sarah McLachlan song, I'm 916 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,960 waking up like it's not, you know what I mean? 917 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,800 Sarah's back also, by the way, not another sidebar. 918 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,000 She's she's back and she sounds great. 919 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,920 I. Bet she does. 920 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,360 I bet she does. So, OK, what what do you feel 921 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,040 this the veterinarian that you worked with to create this 922 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,040 study, who this was as you said first again, as you said, I hate 923 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,160 using all natural because it is just so bastardized to use that 924 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,800 word right now, but truly like. Organic. 925 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,800 Functional. Yes, like this was the first 926 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,040 time he had studied a product like this. 927 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,680 How do you feel he came or had he shared with you? 928 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,840 Oh, man, like as soon as, as soon as the data started coming 929 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,120 in, he would like, he'd call me and be like, I just got this 930 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,200 back. You're not going to believe it. 931 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,440 And I'm like, no, I'm like, you don't think so. 932 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,480 I was like Joel. I, he, he tried, you tried to 933 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,360 temper my, my expectations early on, say that the best that we 934 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,480 could hope for was no change. And when, when we had reports 935 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,920 starting to come back that these dogs were interacting again, 936 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,120 that they were eat it, that they were hungry again, that they 937 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,800 were going out even just pre data compilation, it really the 938 00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,440 results started showing up quickly and he was, he changed 939 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,920 his tune. He was surprised. 940 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,120 He was so excited to see his to see his like genuine excitement 941 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200 at something like this changing his mind. 942 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,440 I mean, this is a guy who's in his 70s, like he's, he's seen a 943 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,520 lot of change, a lot of he's, he's been through a lot of 944 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,200 clinical trials and, and working in an old style that model that 945 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,960 he was dissatisfied, but probably at that time didn't 946 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,480 have the tools and the access to what we do now. 947 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,600 And so, you know, I, I respect him a lot for, for learning and 948 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,760 changing. So what I'm hearing is that you 949 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:11,400 hired a vet, a vet to conduct a study who has insane amounts of 950 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,840 experience conducting studies, who you said I'm going to give 951 00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,200 you some money to come and help us with this study. 952 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,880 And he said the best you're going to get is no change. 953 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,520 And you're like, I'm still paying you. 954 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,640 He's like. Oh well, you know what? 955 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,720 He didn't say that until after we'd paid him. 956 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,840 But but we knew, we knew what the mushrooms do and like, and I 957 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,720 saw his, I saw his papers on Java and AVMA and I was like, 958 00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,520 OK, this guy's legit. And, and talking to him, he, he 959 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,920 had clearly had integrity and, and you know, was, was working 960 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,000 to looking to partner with us in a way to do good science. 961 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,040 And it was the planning phase of it was extensive and we had a 962 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,160 lot to figure out about. The making sure that the 963 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680 profiles of the dogs that we were bringing into the study 964 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,440 were aligned with veterinary standard of measuring this 965 01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,080 condition. You know, the different, the 966 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,400 behaviors that we were studying in the, in the biomarkers that 967 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760 we are looking at what like what is the precedent and where are 968 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,080 we pushing it? Where, where are we, where are 969 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,320 we extending the science? Because that really is always 970 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,040 kind of the goal. It's like, let's build on what 971 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,160 we know. Well, I mean, I know I kind of 972 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,320 made a joke of it, but the reason that I say that and the 973 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,800 reason that I bring it up is that oftentimes when we are 974 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200 looking at the science, when we're looking at studies, we're 975 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,480 like honestly going in to pick it apart because we're we're 976 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,200 like, OK, who funded this study and who conducted the study and 977 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,600 what happened in the study? And did they, you know, did they 978 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,440 exclude participants? Why did they exclude 979 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,120 participants? Like all of these things we're 980 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,320 looking at because, you know, we understand there's so much of a 981 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,960 bias in science. So that's kind of the reason 982 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,640 that I bring this up, that it's like we could eat probably 983 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,760 easily do the same thing and be as biased, but you're not. 984 01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,280 Totally, I mean, there is always going to be bias or you know, 985 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,760 some places where you don't get everything that you want. 986 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,480 You know, I would have loved to do this study with 1000 dogs. 987 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,120 You know, a cohort of 30 is, is what we could do right now. 988 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,280 You know, we're just like a little, we're a little baby 989 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,960 company that is committed to kind of forwarding this 'cause I 990 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,160 mean, that's one thing, but but then also like you look at how 991 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,240 many dogs were in the cohort that got remedil approved. 992 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,000 It was 8, the the kind of like pivotal study that looked at 993 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,680 full spectrum hemp extract for epilepsy in dogs from CSU. 994 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,480 That was only 18 dogs, I think. So, you know, we, as usual, we 995 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,600 hold our our organic therapeutics to a much higher 996 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,920 standard and, and not to discourage anyone from being 997 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,560 discerning and asking hard questions of scientists and 998 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,960 researchers and especially companies that are selling a 999 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,520 product. We must, we must be diligent 1000 01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,880 and, and make sure that they are ethically aligned and not just 1001 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,800 trying to make money. But yeah, I mean, there there's, 1002 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,920 I think that good science should invite scrutiny. 1003 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,680 And, you know, I, I, we could talk about the details of this 1004 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,000 research all day and I'd be like, yeah. 1005 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,480 And this, you know, this thing was something that we need to 1006 01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,800 look into more. We need, we need more 1007 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,080 information about this. But yeah, I think that if if 1008 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,560 we're coming from the right place, it it shouldn't be about 1009 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,280 like APR move. It should be about uncovering 1010 01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,280 more that we don't know. Well, I know you could probably 1011 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,240 go on and on and on and on and on, and I could listen forever 1012 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,080 as well, but I just appreciate you so much for coming on and 1013 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,520 and talking to us and explaining the study and answering even the 1014 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,720 silliest of questions that I have. 1015 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,160 No, it's my pleasure, Jessica. And I love to. 1016 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,160 I love to nerd out on this stuff and share it. 1017 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,440 Yeah, yeah. So where can people, if they 1018 01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,640 don't already, which I'm sure most people listening do, but 1019 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,480 where can people find information on the study? 1020 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,160 Where can people find the products? 1021 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,960 So you can, if if you have been hearing this discussion and 1022 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,920 you're like, hey, my dog might be kind of a candidate for this 1023 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,440 or might be needing a little bit of intervention. 1024 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,240 We are still collecting oaks for our next virtual cohort of the 1025 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,040 senior dog study. So you can go to 1026 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,160 seniordogstudy.com and at the bottom you'll see a quick survey 1027 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,640 that will kind of see if you're potentially eligible. 1028 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,960 And then we'll we'll follow up with you. 1029 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,120 Also, you can find us@mycodog.com, 1030 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,000 cbddoghealth.com. We are on Instagram, TikTok, 1031 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,120 YouTube, tons of educational content on all those platforms. 1032 01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,800 If you want to learn more about other subjects, we, we really 1033 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200 have so much that you can kind of dive into and and learn more. 1034 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,000 Yeah, my name is Carter. You can, you can follow my 1035 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,640 Instagram at at functional pet. And yeah, we're we're 1036 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,040 everywhere. Yes, thankfully, because you 1037 01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,440 really do put out such amazing educational information that I I 1038 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,240 love to consume and share. Again, thank you so much for 1039 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,760 joining us, Carter. If you guys have any other 1040 01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,160 questions, again, you can always reach out to me. 1041 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,800 I'll help you the best I can or direct you to the right place. 1042 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,800 And with that, I am going to say have a great rest of your week. 1043 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,320 Please give your pet some extra love from me and from Carter 1044 01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,400 this week and I will talk to you next week. 1045 01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,320 Thanks, Jessica. Bye. 1046 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,080 Thanks, Carter.