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Welcome back, pet parent. 
So excited for today's guest. 

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And I was actually laying awake 
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about how am I going to 
introduce her because she has 

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been on the podcast before and 
I, you haven't listened to that 

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episode. 
I'm going to absolutely 

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recommend you go back and check 
it out. 

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But one of the things that I was
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Just how many of us recently in 
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of years are waking up and 
realizing that nature really 

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does give us most of what we 
need like pharmaceutical, 

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medical, everything that we have
figured out in the last 100 

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years or so is amazing for 
emergencies, it's if you need 

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your bone put back in place or 
if you absolutely need there's 

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something crazy going on for 
emergency care. 

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It's amazing it it really has 
changed our lives. 

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But when we're, when we think 
about just Wellness and caring 

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for ourselves every day and 
being proactive and caring for 

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ourselves, nature is going to 
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And herbs are one of those 
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it's so abundant. 
It if you have a green thumb, 

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unlike me, and then you can grow
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And it's, it's really one of the
coolest things that I have found

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in my journey into learning more
about nature and bringing nature

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into back into my life and 
realizing the connection between

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humans and nature. 
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have really, really been 
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past year, is how much humans 
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nature. 
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and how far we've come, like 
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industrially speaking. 
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is like chasing the symptoms of 
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cycle of nature. 
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intro that I thought of laying 
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bring back on the absolutely 
incredible Rita Hogan. 

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Thank you so much for being back
with us, Rita. 

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And we're going to talk a little
bit today about a book that is 

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getting ready to come out that 
you have published that I am so 

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excited for. 
So thank you again for being 

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here. 
Welcome. 

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Thank you for having me on. 
I love coming on your show. 

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Love it. 
Thank you. 

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I am, I really am. 
I'm so excited for your book. 

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One of the things that, and I 
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Zoo last year, is that I, one of
my cat passed away in 2023 and I

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had two different animal 
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not long after he passed. 
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communicators not having known 
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I don't, I don't think they know
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Both when they connected to him,
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amazing. 
It was, it was just a really, 

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really cool thing. 
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I have on my list of things to 
do in 2025 is to learn a whole 

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heck of a lot more from you 
specifically, but also just 

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about herbs in general and 
bringing that back into my life.

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And I think that the timing of 
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couldn't be better. 
And I'm really, really excited 

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for it. 
And I would love for you to tell

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me a little bit about why you 
decided to write this book. 

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Oh, wow. 
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So I've been in herbalism in one
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21 years. 
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made like my first herbal remedy
in like 2003, I believe, started

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selling my wares locally, you 
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boarded dogs and realized how 
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dedicated my life to canine 
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And, and I had a product company
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and then kind of parallel worked
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time and started writing and 
sharing my information, which 

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was hard because I was quite 
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and just kind of doing my work, 
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started teaching this group of 
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them for 4 1/2 years. 
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every Thursday. 
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It's a big commitment. 
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are in practice right now, which
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And I had to show up. 
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showed up for them and I had to 
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take. 
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missed about 10 weeks for the 
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I had to show up for them every 
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and I had to explain to them 
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know, what's going on in the dog
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that means and how the body 
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plants can work for what. 
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they taught me so much and I 
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The book is really a product of 
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found have like has worked for 
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And that's all, you know, that's
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because it's not really mine. 
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come before me and my mentors 
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my like my brain and coming out 
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like human herbalism on to 
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with my mentors and refining 
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And, you know, hopefully someone
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re, you know, put it through 
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even more. 
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for that. 
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really awesome to write this 
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it took a long time to put, you 
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I have four more books coming 
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My next book is on canine 
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And so, but this first book is 
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prerequisite to reading my 
follow-ups because it does teach

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you the basics of holistic 
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be a great reference for people.
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the cool thing about it is that 
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you places to start. 
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with certain herbs or any 
cautions and how to recover from

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surgery and how to recover from 
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with yeast. 
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elimination diet in there that I
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leaky gut dogs. 
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it, which is fine, but I've used
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probably 15 years without ever a
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individual dog, but it's only a 
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it really does work well. 
I've, I've, you know, I've tried

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to give you as many tricks of 
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pretty excited about it. 
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That really does sound amazing 
and actually semi answers a lot 

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of the question that I was going
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One of which is how much of this
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onto themselves. 
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the human herbalism and for 
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how it works on dogs. 
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back and forth a little. 
Bit no, there's really great 

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herbalism books for humans and 
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Cheryl Schwartz and like Susan 
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directly. 
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written the written word have 
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The people that I've worked with
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herbalists and, you know, with 
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But that's not that's not what 
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I had to look what was on market
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changed my life, like Susan 
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herbalism and Barbara Fraguard 
shit, great book. 

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It's a textbook. 
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That's ones you know, and then I
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Levy's book, the dog and cat 
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Some people would just think 
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right. 
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know, there's lots of things in 
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worked well for her. 
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just like blew my mind. 
And then Cheryl Swartz, the five

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pause, 5 directions. 
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that book. 
It's absolutely amazing. 

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And now Cheryl and I are 
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circle, which I never thought 
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Like, Oh my God, I've come full 
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three of my big mentors, which 
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Schwartz, and Matthew Wood. 
I've come full circle with them.

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with one of her own pets and 
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close. 
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could have never imagined that 
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gods to me. 
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you know, and now being their 
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But you can find yourself in my 
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There's hardly anything that 
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Maybe the the I have a small 
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but it still applies. 
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I'm not telling you to eat raw 
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which would, you know, I eat a 
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that still does apply. 
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than dogs do, so we tend to hold
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applied to humans. 
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more specific to herbs and, and 
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you know, the basis of of the 
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with what I do being being a 
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always comes to food and it the 
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see online. 
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a lot of this comes from 
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medical industrial complex and 
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take a pill and it gets better 
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using nature, when we're using 
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there? 
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getting at if we don't address 
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both, but how do you feel about 
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What? 
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come to you as well with what 
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So one of the things that my 
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wherever you're at. 
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ideal diets look like. 
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Herbs can help a dog that's 
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It can help the gut digest 
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It definitely can't. 
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whatever diet you're using. 
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find interesting is once someone
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herbal medicine and getting, you
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like that. 
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up to possibilities of eating 
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being closer to nurture, right. 
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ourselves, we nurture our pets 
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with good food, we feel better. 
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getting to, to understand the 
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because the disease rates are 
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have our, we talked about EMF, 
you know, we have that in our 

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house now. 
It is a factor. 

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But the cleaner we eat, the less
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When we have vitality and our 
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proper frequency, which is 
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eat, processed foods has very 
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It has very little energy or 
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food can be have a much higher 
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been sitting in a box, right. 
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feeds, it feeds off of 
everything else. 

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your dog's life, I think it's 
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better, for doing better, for 
understanding nature, for even 

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just getting outside more and 
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and connecting with your dog on 
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I love that answer and I love 
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intentional about meeting people
where they are. 

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That is, it's definitely 
something I had to learn and it 

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it came a whole heck of a lot 
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actually started working in with
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But like now you, you really 
need to be able to meet people 

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where they are and just help, 
help one step at a time. 

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Whether that's a baby step or a 
giant leap, that's up to them. 

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this reading Doctor Casey means 
book good energy. 

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And it is exactly what I was 
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talking about how if we set our 
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handle the outside world so much
better, so much easier. 

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The same thing is true for for 
our pets. 

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And that really is everything 
she talks about in this book is 

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your cells are either producing 
good energy or they're producing

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bad energy. 
Yeah. 

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Yes. 
Absolutely. 

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Go please. 
Well, I mean, it's exact. 

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She's exactly right, you know? 
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of people say that everything 
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And as a nutritionist, you'd 
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However, I disagree, OK? 
And here's why I think diet is 

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I think it's one of the most 

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important things that you can do
for your health. 

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But in the last 20 years, I've 
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have been referred to me with 
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They're mild ailments. 
They eat the worst food that you

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can imagine, OK, but they're 
almost all of them have been 

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close to 20. 
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have in common, I always look 
for commonalities and and like 

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try to piece things together and
you think like, well, the heck 

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can they be almost 20 and eat 
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I'm talking the last shelf at 
the Walmart. 

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OK, just horrendous foods. 
They all have this in common. 

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They're they all live rurally, 
OK, They live where they can run

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and they exercise and they 
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They, they almost, I think not 
almost all of them had siblings 

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like dogs and other dogs, 
multiple dogs, OK, they 

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basically live outside. 
Some of them got to come in of 

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sure, absolutely, of course, but
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They were outdoor dogs, right? 
They're breathing fresh air all 

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the time. 
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right? 
They're forging, they're eating 

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wild foods, including animals. 
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what is it? 
What's going on? 

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You have to look at those 
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know, clean air, clean water, 
clean food. 

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They're eating a lot of clean 
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we're able to give them in a 
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But that's an outdoor dog and a 
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outdoor pretty much unlimited. 
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inside where I think, I think 
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really good food and really see 
like, OK, let's add the good 

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food component and see how old 
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And I think they'd probably live
in like my dog Susie. 

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She lived till she'll be able to
like 24 to 27. 

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We're still arguing about it and
my family. 

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But she was that dog. 
She wasn't all sided. 

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She got to choose to come in and
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She, I usually find her behind 
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the living room in the morning. 
But she stayed out a long time 

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and, and it was her choice. 
But like, and we lived on a farm

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and it was rural and it was safe
and all those good things. 

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Like you can't do that now, 
right? 

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So we're bringing these dogs 
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And what we need to do is we 
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to mimic the outdoors, right? 
We need to open our windows. 

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We need to get air cleaners in 
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You know, Rodney talks about, 
Rodney and Karen talk about, you

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know, building your own little 
air filter. 

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I, you know, they're not 
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you are low on money, they rock.
I have air filters in all of my 

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rooms. 
My, my doors, my windows and 

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doors are open whenever I can. 
Right now it's winter, so it's a

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little harder. 
But, you know, getting that 

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fresh air diet is imperative for
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Imperative, absolutely, because 
if you're not running free, if 

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you're not running with your 
fellow dogs in community, you 

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need to focus on exercise and 
diet and fresh air, fresh water.

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Like those are the things that 
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the organs aren't getting the 
voltage they need to survive and

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to thrive, right? 
We have a lot of liver cancers. 

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We have a lot of spleen, tons of
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Tons of spleen damage. 
And this is all from stagnation 

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and stagnation happens when you 
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dogs and I week last weekend we 
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which I have not done. 
I can't even tell you. 

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I can't remember the last time. 
I really, I don't watch a lot of

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TV, but I was like, I'm going to
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my God, it was so good. 
And my dogs were with me. 

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We went out for pee. 
We came back in, they were like,

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I'm going to lay all over you. 
We had a really good bonding 

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moment. 
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time, we would see a decline, 
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stagnancy, if they're not moving
their lymphatic system that and 

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I talk about that in the book, 
you know, like the lymphatic 

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system is really important. 
If your dog can't get out and 

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exercise, you got to do that 
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You got to you got to add herbs 
that help the lymphatic system 

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move. 
And so, you know, not every dog 

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can be on a farm running free 
and, you know, killing little 

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rabbits, poor little rabbits 
and, you know, forging on 

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berries and doing all those 
things, like Monsieur Bobby from

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Portugal, right? 
Like, not every dog has that 

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life. 
So we really have to focus on 

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things like I was working for, I
was working with a woman that 

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wanted to formulate a line for 
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OK, Dogs in Singapore, the 
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85% of all dogs in Singapore 
live in high rise, OK. 

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They live in high rise 
apartments. 

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And the farther you are off of 
the ground, the more the issues 

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are pertinent to yourself and 
your dog, right? 

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When you live on the 15th floor,
that grounding energy of the 

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earth is nowhere to be found. 
And so, and you have dogs that, 

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I mean, they go down the 
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their pee and they go back up, 
you know, and it's a very, it's 

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a, you know, it's a, it's a 
Singapore is like one of those 

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cities where you have to import 
almost everything, right? 

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So you have to look at what, 
what kind of dog do you have? 

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Do you have an apartment dog? 
Do you have a regular house dog?

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Do you have a yard? 
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You know, and you have to adjust
accordingly. 

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So not to be controversial, 
Jessica, I do believe diet is 

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everything. 
You already know that. 

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But when you look at these dogs 
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what else do they have? 
And they have a lot of the 

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things that the dogs with good 
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So I think it's I think it's a 
combination of everything to 

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increase longevity and herbs can
help with that. 

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But you know, my book is 
holistic canine herbalism, 

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right? 
It's holistic canine herbalism 

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applications and practice like 
holistic canine herbalism deals 

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with the dog mind, body, spirit.
That means food, exercise, our 

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stress. 
I have a chapter in here called 

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our dogs ourselves. 
Who are we being around our 

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dogs? 
Are we stressing them? 

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And a lot of us are, you know, 
are we fighting with our 

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significant others? 
Are we, you know, are we arguing

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with our children in front of 
them? 

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Are we playing death pedals 
right in front of our dogs? 

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It, it's very, there's been 
really critical research on 

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sound and frequency around 
ourselves and our dogs and when 

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animals and people are around 
the frequency of like heavy 

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metal, like not just heavy 
metal, but like that speed metal

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and things like that. 
Therefore voltage and frequency 

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goes way down and it plummets 
their immune systems. 

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I think that's, you know, we 
just have to kind of reassess 

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how we're living and if we care 
about longevity, you know, some 

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people may not care, right? 
Yeah. 

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That's not the person reading my
book, for sure. 

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You know, and you can live 
however you want to. 

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But I think the science is 
really starting to look at these

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things that holistic medicine 
has been looking at for a long 

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time. 
And that is what we do with our 

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minds, what we do with our body 
and what we do with our spirit 

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and how those things come 
together. 

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And food and herbs are a huge 
part of that, because herbs are 

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food. 
Yes, well, and it's funny you 

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bring up the music because just 
this morning I was reminded of 

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some studies that were done on 
classical music, various 

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symphonies and things from 
hundreds of years ago. 

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Mozart, Beethoven, all the, all 
the people, Salieri, they really

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do like they have studied people
and how our cells function 

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changes with these sounds, with 
these tones. 

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And one of them, I want to, I 
want to say it was Beethoven 

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Symphony #5 it said there was a 
study showing that it actually 

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stopped cancer cell 
reproduction. 

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It was amazing. 
And I'm not saying don't do 

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anything that was right. 
But. 

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And so I just this morning, I, I
turned classical music on again 

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for my cats because I was, you 
know, reminded of that really 

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does everything in our 
environment really does matter. 

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And we can use these things to 
enhance our well-being and our 

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health and our health span. 
So I'm glad you brought that up.

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Thank you. 
But it is true, you know, 

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frequency and music can 
epigenetically change us like it

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can change our gene expression, 
it can change how our cells 

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regulate in the body and our 
cells reproduce. 

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So, you know, it may sound 
crazy, but again, science is 

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starting to take notice of these
types of healing modalities and 

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you know, it's not going to hurt
to, to what you're doing. 

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I, I believe in all, I mean, I 
love frequency medicine. 

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I love sound healing. 
I, I believe in it. 

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I've seen it work miracles. 
I you know you can look at the 

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App Store and that you will see 
tons of apps on frequency and 

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sound. 
You know to go to bed, to go to 

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sleep, to get deeper sleep. 
Cats purring can heal bones, 

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right? 
Scientifically prove it. 

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You know, that study is amazing,
but cats purring can help heal 

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bones and it can help bone 
marrow because they purr at a 

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certain frequency, right? 
So all that stuff is just 

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fascinating. 
I don't deal with much frequency

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in my book, but I love frequency
medicine. 

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So I love all of everything I 
learned. 

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That's one of the reasons why I 
love this podcast so much. 

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But to bring it back around to 
herbs, which is something you 

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know, quite a bit about, and I 
do think the last time I had you

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on, I asked you this, but I'd 
like to, just because of the 

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book, I'd like to ask it again. 
Where in your opinion is a place

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where people who are like 
completely new to this, they're 

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like, yes, I get it. 
I want to start with herbs. 

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Where can they start? 
How should they start? 

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Well, I'll definitely tell you 
cat people should start with 

446
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200
catnip in in fact, you've been 
an herbalist all along. 

447
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,360
You've been dealing with catnip 
is is so awesome for for a cat's

448
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,080
nervous system beyond awesome. 
You should give it to your cat 

449
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,040
every day. 
But with dogs, I think just 

450
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,000
starting with one herb, you 
know, and like in the back of 

451
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,320
the book, I have a part called 
plants and fungi Monographs, 

452
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,000
right? 
And I believe it's like over 30 

453
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,640
plants that I have made a resume
for. 

454
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,560
Let's just call it a resume. 
Monograph is like a resume. 

455
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,400
Like it starts with egg or money
and it goes all the way. 

456
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,400
I mean, it has a lot of 
different things. 

457
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:03,800
I, I do cover mushrooms and it 
tells you all about that plant 

458
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,440
and what's its for, you know, 
what is it for and what you need

459
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760
to do with it, what it can do 
according to the book. 

460
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760
I could only deal with the 
subjects I dealt with in the 

461
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,400
book. 
Otherwise the book would be 1000

462
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,360
pages. 
So, but how to use it, when to 

463
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,440
stop using it? 
I tell you how to build a 

464
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,040
protocol, but one herb at a 
time, just adding an herb, 

465
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,600
seeing if it's needs to be well 
indicated. 

466
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,120
And I help you figure that out 
in the book. 

467
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,760
But you need to get to know that
herb, you know, like look it up.

468
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,880
I'll tell you right now, Google 
is one of the worst places to 

469
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,920
find any information about 
herbs. 

470
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,680
OK, You're going to find 
information that's not true. 

471
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,160
Like chamomile's bad for your 
dog or peppermint's bad for your

472
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,960
dog, or garlic's bad for your 
dog. 

473
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
All those things are not true. 
They are based on research with 

474
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960
such a high amount, almost a 
lethal dose of those remedies. 

475
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840
It's just it's it's it's 
misguided. 

476
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840
But if you're looking online, 
you can use the word monograph. 

477
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:10,280
Monograph to help learn 
different aspects of a plant and

478
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
it needs to be written by an 
herbalist or a medical 

479
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,600
herbalist, either one, because 
an herbalist really knows their 

480
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,040
plants and an herbalist would 
would, would some years under 

481
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,960
their belt as well, right. 
So I think that's really 

482
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,440
important and you just start 
with one herb like I have this 

483
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,000
thing on my teaching platform, 
canineherbalism.com. 

484
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280
I have this course, it's kind of
like a kind of, I have to call 

485
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600
it a course, but it's an ongoing
subscription kind of sort of 

486
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,280
it's called monthly monographs 
and we deal with one plant every

487
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400
month and then you have access 
to all those plants. 

488
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,160
I think we have like 27 plants 
in there right now. 

489
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,280
But if you just take one plant, 
learn about it, see if it's well

490
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320
indicated for your dog according
to the symptoms that it deals 

491
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,400
with or what I call cofactors, 
and then try it out, give it for

492
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,800
a few weeks, see how it does. 
A lot of times people are giving

493
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
their dogs way too many herbs at
a time, way too many supplements

494
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320
at a time. 
I you know, it's kitchen 

495
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840
sinking, you know, trying to 
throw something at the wall and 

496
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560
see what sticks. 
And that is with the best of 

497
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,160
intentions, right? 
People are just, they're looking

498
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
for answers. 
They want an alternative to 

499
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,400
allopathic veterinary care and 
they are desperate to find 

500
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,760
answers and solutions for their 
dog. 

501
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,920
So you read in this is a new 
breakthrough in arthritis. 

502
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
And then they, they start giving
it all, they got another one, 

503
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,280
then they start giving that and 
pretty soon you don't know 

504
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,560
what's working, what's not 
working. 

505
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,320
So you just keep your dog on 
everything and your dog has to 

506
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
process that through their 
liver, everything that you put 

507
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,440
on and in them they have 
process. 

508
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480
So you want to find out what's 
working and what's not working. 

509
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,560
And with herbs, I start out with
one to like, you could do a 

510
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,280
formula, you know, a formula 
with a few herbs in it, or you 

511
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,160
could start with one herb and 
see over a period of four to six

512
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,920
to eight weeks the differences 
that herb causes, as long as 

513
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680
you're not negative, right? 
If they're negative, usually 

514
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,400
you're giving too much of it or 
it's just the incorrect formula 

515
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,240
or herb for your dog and then 
you just stop it. 

516
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,720
But the goal of any herb or any 
herbal regimen formula is to 

517
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800
move in a positive direction, 
right? 

518
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,960
So say your dog has a runny 
nose, right? 

519
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
That's dampness. 
And if they have a runny nose 

520
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,760
and you're giving a formula to 
help dry up some of that damp in

521
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,040
six to eight maximum 12 weeks, 
we want that runny nose not to 

522
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880
be there anymore, right? 
And then you figure out how long

523
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280
you have to give the herb so 
that you stop the herb and then 

524
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,400
the runny nose comes back and 
you might have to put them back 

525
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520
on it. 
But you kind of do this trial. 

526
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
And there's a lot of Gray areas 
in herbalism, and I deal with 

527
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,360
that in my book and how to 
navigate it. 

528
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,080
I love that you do in the book 
because I think that's one of 

529
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,640
the reasons why I have found it 
So like just personally found it

530
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,480
so like difficult to get 
started, difficult to implement,

531
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000
difficult to. 
And it is pretty easy to just 

532
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,120
take one thing like something 
you may already grow, like I 

533
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640
happened to already grow parsley
or I happened to already, you 

534
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,160
know, whatever you're already 
growing. 

535
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,000
But I think the last time I 
spoke with you, I took some 

536
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,440
like, herbs out of my pantry and
put them on a towel, just placed

537
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
them on a towel and just let my 
dog go and like, see what she 

538
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,240
went to and what she didn't. 
And my dog's so funny. 

539
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,640
She's like, I'm not playing 
along with you. 

540
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
And she just looks and it's 
like, I'm not playing along with

541
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,480
you. 
Yeah. 

542
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Yeah. 
At least not while the camera's 

543
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,600
rolling. 
Right. 

544
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,640
That's how my dog. 
But I do like the idea of just 

545
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
starting with one thing. 
And it can be something you 

546
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,680
already have in your pantry. 
But learning, like you said, 

547
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,720
with with the monographs. 
But that's, again, another 

548
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,400
reason why I'm so excited for 
your book specifically to help 

549
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,360
guide us through, like, the all 
the questions that we have about

550
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,040
like, what if. 
What? 

551
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
If. 
So one of the things you'd 

552
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,120
mentioned was a runny nose and 
you had mentioned earlier about 

553
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,320
all these dogs that were really 
healthy, they lived outdoors. 

554
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,640
What are and they just came to 
you for like minor issues. 

555
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,320
So what are some of those, like 
really common things that you 

556
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,440
see in dogs that you're like, 
oh, there's an herb for that? 

557
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Well, almost everything. 
Everything. 

558
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440
You know, the, the most common 
things people contact me about 

559
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,880
as you know, arthritis mobility 
is a big one, drainage, yeast, 

560
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,520
things that I would call like 
our vaccine, like vaccine 

561
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,400
reactions, leaky gut, you know, 
the gut being completely IBD, 

562
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,880
which is I don't know what is 
wrong with your dog's gut. 

563
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,720
That's my translation in there. 
You know, inflammation in 

564
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,040
general, getting a dog more 
comfortable, lumps, bumps, lots 

565
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,680
of lumps and bumps, cancers. 
By the time someone really gets 

566
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,120
to me, most of my clients, it's,
it's you know, we have some 

567
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480
urgency to a lot of things or we
have, I have a few clients that 

568
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,560
do preventative medicine with 
me, which is great preventative,

569
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,000
I mean herbal medicine with me. 
They want to prevent things, 

570
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,040
which is wonderful. 
A lot of times people are very 

571
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
upset about the current state of
affairs and their dogs. 

572
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
And I work one of a lot of 
geriatric dogs. 

573
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,600
You know, I work with a lot of 
dogs that are up in age between 

574
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
14 and 17. 
Oh, and you're going to have 

575
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,080
right now with the state of 
affairs that our dogs are 

576
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
dealing with at that time, 
you're going to have some liver 

577
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,600
and kidney issues. 
You're going to have some 

578
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,800
mobility and pain issues. 
So, and I deal with all of that 

579
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,840
in my book. 
So I deal with a lot of it. 

580
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Or getting to the, you know, 
holistic herbalism is about 

581
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040
getting to the root cause of 
something, you know? 

582
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
But Jessica, one thing I do want
to say, and this is I know this 

583
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,199
is confronting for some people, 
but because I get so much, I get

584
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,840
a lot of kind of pushback 
sometimes on herbal medicine. 

585
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,199
And I'm just going to use 
peppermint as an example, right?

586
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
This week I had someone say, you
know, I can't believe you reckon

587
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,800
peppermint it it's terrible for 
dogs. 

588
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,520
And no, it's not. 
But you know, that same person 

589
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,880
that is questioning herbs in 
general has no problem giving 

590
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,159
their dog the leptosclerosis 
vaccine or giving their dog 

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Bravecto, which kills hundreds 
of dogs, if not thousands of 

592
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,280
dogs a year. 
I don't know how many dogs, but 

593
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239
I know it's most likely close to
1000. 

594
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,159
I mean, it's it's a very small 
percentage of the dogs that use 

595
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,159
the drug. 
But if you look at any drug that

596
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,639
you use from the vet, whether 
it's a wormer, whether it's a 

597
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,840
flea in tech, whether it's a 
heartworm pill, if you look at 

598
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,120
the side effects on the box or 
in the little pamphlet, they are

599
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,400
going to be so astronomically 
higher and more detrimental to 

600
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,240
your dog than any herb I can 
think of besides something 

601
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,080
that's just straight up 
poisonous like belladonna or 

602
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,520
hellebore. 
Right. 

603
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,680
I deal with non-toxic herbs. 
Some have more toxicity than 

604
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
others. 
And toxicity just means doesn't 

605
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,400
mean that it's going to kill 
your dog. 

606
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
It means that they might vomit 
or they might get diarrhea or 

607
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
you need to really be careful 
with the dosage. 

608
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,160
You don't. 
They're much. 

609
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,720
They're more finicky, right. 
But most of the herbs that I 

610
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,320
deal with, you know, there 
really isn't a level in which 

611
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,760
they've been researched that 
will kill a dog. 

612
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
They're extremely non-toxic. 
Yeah, they can cause some. 

613
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,760
Every herb can cause a side 
effect. 

614
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Anything can cause what it cures
for the most part doesn't apply 

615
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,400
to everything, but a lot of 
things can't. 

616
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,400
You can kill yourself with 
water. 

617
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,520
We're drinking too much water, 
right? 

618
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,440
So, you know, I think Joseph, we
just been pharmaceutically 

619
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,600
conditioned and I, you know, 
pharmaceuticals can be a great 

620
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,800
bridge. 
I've had to use them before. 

621
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,760
They've saved my life. 
You know, surgery has saved my 

622
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,120
life in my I'm 53 years old. 
I've had some stuff happen, 

623
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,440
right? 
Hopefully not in the second-half

624
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,000
of my life, but let's go. 
But like, you know, I, I am not 

625
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840
anti pharmaceutical by no means.
And especially when dogs are 

626
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,680
old, like when dogs are really 
like elderly kind of. 

627
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,560
And also the dogs that are kind 
of circling the funnel where 

628
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040
things are starting to wind 
down, right? 

629
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Things are starting to wind 
down. 

630
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,560
All the lumps and bumps are 
showing. 

631
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,760
They're starting to get mobility
issues. 

632
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,640
You know my little dog Lola's in
that position, right? 

633
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480
She's a 15 year old Basset Hound
and she was traditionally 

634
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,440
raised. 
She's got a lot of lumps and 

635
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,480
bumps. 
They're not going to go away. 

636
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560
There's too many of them. 
You know, some of the big ones 

637
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,080
kind of reduced, but you can do 
what you can. 

638
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,120
But you got to do what you can 
to make them comfortable. 

639
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080
And sometimes that involves the 
pharmaceutical, they can really 

640
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,240
give them an excellent quality 
of life in that last year or 

641
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,160
two, right. 
And you support the body, you 

642
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160
support the liver and kidneys at
dealing with that pharmaceutical

643
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,360
and some of their side effects. 
But I'm not anti pharmaceutical.

644
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
I do look at them as a bridge in
many ways, some of them, not all

645
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,880
of them, but some of them. 
But you have to look at, you 

646
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,760
have to question kind of the 
paradigm in which you were 

647
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,480
raised. 
Some people are very familiar 

648
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,320
with the natural and some people
are really scared of it. 

649
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,800
But ask yourself, what are you 
really afraid of, right? 

650
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Are you afraid that you don't 
know? 

651
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,360
And are you afraid that you 
don't have the answers? 

652
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Or are you afraid that your dog 
is going to blow up if you give 

653
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,520
them some chamomile, right? 
And why don't you have that same

654
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,000
fear of something that literally
is telling you, like your dog's 

655
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,080
immune system is impaired, death
could occur, a disease could 

656
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,320
happen in which could kill your 
dog on this Med, right? 

657
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,200
They have just horrendous side 
effects like human, human drugs 

658
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
do, right? 
And why are you not afraid to 

659
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,160
give your dog that remedy? 
I just think that we're just so 

660
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,760
far away from nature. 
And I hope that my book, because

661
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,200
I, I tell you about what 
pharmaceuticals they interact 

662
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,760
with, I hope my book can create 
some comfort, create some 

663
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,240
confidence. 
You know, it definitely is for 

664
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,880
the advanced practitioner all 
the way down to I've never 

665
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,400
touched, I've never touched an 
urban in my life, right? 

666
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960
You can use it in many different
ways, like Jessica, you're a 

667
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,320
health practitioner. 
You can use it in a different 

668
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080
way than someone that that 
absolutely knows absolutely 

669
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,400
nothing, right? 
They can still utilize the book,

670
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,760
learn a lot, but the first part 
of the book is about teaching. 

671
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Now it's teaching you certain 
things. 

672
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,240
And the second part of the book 
is reference. 

673
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Even if you just use the 
reference section, it's going to

674
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160
help you immensely. 
And you can start looking at 

675
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,880
different supplements in a 
different way and learn how to 

676
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,840
pick out supplements, learn 
about mushrooms and different 

677
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
types of. 
And I do, I do have a supplement

678
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,800
section where I, and you know, I
just, you know, I actually just 

679
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,120
used it the other day for 
myself, which I was cracking up 

680
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000
because I was like, OK, I'm 
using my own book. 

681
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,760
I have, I do, I have, I have a 
vitamin and minerals section 

682
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,320
that deals with all the 
different vitamins and minerals 

683
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,360
and what the synthetic versions 
are and dosages and all that 

684
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,640
good stuff and food sources of 
those vitamins and minerals. 

685
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,440
And then I have a section on 
supplements, you know, like I 

686
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,560
looked up the dosage for sodium 
butyrate for a dog and I was 

687
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,200
like, you know, I don't have 
that memorized, but let me look 

688
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,920
it up in the herbal doc. 
You know it deals with like a 

689
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,040
betaine hydrochloride black seed
oil, bromelain, butyric acid, 

690
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,600
even CBD chlorella coenzyme Q10 
colostrum different types of 

691
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,040
supplements that we use like 
cranberry D manos, greenlit 

692
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,640
muscle, green tea, humic and 
fulvic acid hunt raw honey 

693
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,760
hydrolonic acid. 
Large L glutamine, like I have 

694
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,600
it in the back. 
So that one, you know the 

695
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,960
dosages and two, you know a 
little bit about that supplement

696
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,680
because they're very popular in 
the animal world and you might 

697
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,840
just kind of have that all in 
one spot. 

698
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
They are. 
I can think of quite a few list,

699
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,480
just of the ones you listed off 
that I used between me and my 

700
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,840
past since we're we're being 
confrontational and I happen to 

701
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
like that. 
One of the things that I saw you

702
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,520
post on social media recently, 
and I was hoping to ask you 

703
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:50,200
about this because I actually 
learned about I, I have a pretty

704
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,440
high level of comfort with 
essential oils. 

705
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:59,200
And I understand that that is a 
much more potent form of plant 

706
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880
medicine. 
So dealing with the herbs 

707
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,520
themselves, as I understand it, 
is actually even safer. 

708
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,720
But what I think, if I remember 
correctly, what you were posting

709
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,800
about is what it takes to get to
that essential oil, like the 

710
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,640
actual processes that you have 
to go through. 

711
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,040
And it isn't as sustainable, I 
guess is kind of the bottom 

712
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,800
line. 
So I was just curious if you'd 

713
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,760
like to touch on that a little 
bit and. 

714
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,680
You know, that goes back to what
I just said. 

715
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,800
Like a lot of people are afraid 
of an like giving their dogs 

716
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,040
some peppermint tea, but they're
not afraid of giving their dog a

717
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,120
drop of peppermint essential 
oil. 

718
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:47,320
And one drop equals like 71 cups
of tea, Like, and it's because 

719
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,320
of what I call the American 
marketing machine. 

720
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,360
You know, we've marketed these 
beautiful oils so hard and made 

721
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,000
them so commonplace and talked 
about them like that. 

722
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
They're the end all save all of 
everything, right? 

723
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,360
And you should have much more 
care in using an essential oil 

724
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,560
than you would a regular plant. 
I think it's like 5 tons of rose

725
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,440
petals go to like I think I 
don't have the exact like 1/2 an

726
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,880
ounce of oil, 5 tons. 
Have you ever felt a rose petal?

727
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,160
You can't even feel it on your 
hand. 

728
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,240
Imagine how many five. 
It would literally probably fill

729
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,560
your house, right? 
So it. 

730
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:40,600
It is crazy to fathom how much 
plant material goes into all of 

731
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,400
the essential oils that are 
sold. 

732
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Not to mention so many of them 
are adulterated with other oils.

733
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,400
I'm not brand loyal in my 
essential oils at all. 

734
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,320
I, you know, a company can have 
really great lavender on 

735
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Gustafolia and have not so great
German chamomile essential oil 

736
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,040
one year and not the next 
because the weather effects 

737
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,360
essential oils so much. 
Nowhere in nature is that amount

738
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,120
of essential oil found. 
Each plant has just a little and

739
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,600
they're in aromatic plants that 
need plants with a lot of scent,

740
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,640
like lemon balm, which is one of
the most. 

741
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,000
It takes so much lemon balm that
it's like rose to create any 

742
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480
oil. 
I've I've made my own lemon balm

743
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,160
oil well with a group of people 
and I was just taken aback at 

744
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,720
how much plant material you had 
to use for like just one drop. 

745
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,400
And so it's an eye opener and 
essential oils are not 

746
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,040
sustainable. 
That's why I love using them in 

747
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,320
in in sustainable means that one
they decimate plant populations.

748
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,400
So it takes so much plant 
material, but two, like for like

749
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640
say peppermint or lavender, 
which we can cultivate 

750
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,440
ourselves, they have a huge 
energy footprint. 

751
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,960
Picking those plants, processing
those plants, distilling those 

752
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
plants, a huge, huge energy 
footprint. 

753
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,120
So what I like to recommend 
people do is buy very small 

754
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,360
bottles with reducer tops and 
use them how they're supposed to

755
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,160
be used, which is aromatherapy, 
which is smelling. 

756
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Zoopharmacognosy is awesome 
because you can offer that 

757
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,720
essential oil to your dog and 
let them snip it. 

758
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,880
They'll let you know that they 
are not interested or if they 

759
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,720
are interested and then you 
could put the cap back on and 

760
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,520
you can have that oil for years 
and years. 

761
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,280
You don't need to purchase a 
large amount. 

762
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920
I have used essential oils for 
the last 30 years. 

763
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,280
I used them a lot in saps in 
like a topical. 

764
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,680
I'm not saying I don't use them,
but in my practice I don't 

765
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,600
hardly ever use them unless we 
have severe emotional trauma 

766
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
when other things aren't working
right. 

767
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,400
Homeopathy. 
I love using homeopathy. 

768
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,480
That footprint is very low and 
sustainable. 

769
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,120
I use phytoembryonic therapy 
which is plant stem cells, very 

770
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,480
sustainable, allows the plant to
reproduce and and finish its 

771
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,600
life cycle. 
It doesn't affect the life cycle

772
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,000
of the plant. 
And then, you know, regular 

773
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,760
herbalism. 
And then if there's an issue, I 

774
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
use essential oils. 
I also use flower essences. 

775
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,920
Those are also very sustainable.
Don't even have to hurt the 

776
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,160
flower if you don't want to. 
And then essential oils are my 

777
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,840
last gig. 
But I've seen them work 

778
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,040
miracles, you know, in horses, 
in dogs, in cats, using zoo 

779
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,640
pharmacognosy. 
I have used them with cancer. 

780
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Some of our great cancer 
essential oils are becoming 

781
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,040
extinct, which is sad. 
Like frankincense, right? 

782
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,720
Those trees take 30 years to 
produce oil and a lot of them 

783
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,080
are on the plant savers 
endangered list now. 

784
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,680
So, and it's specifically due to
essential oil production and a 

785
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,120
lot of them are adulterated. 
So yeah, I mean, from an 

786
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,720
herbalist perspective, I love 
essential oils. 

787
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,640
However, I use them with 
reverence. 

788
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,280
I use them with intention, 
they're not my first grab to go,

789
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:09,360
but I implore everyone not to 
buy as much of them, only to buy

790
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,400
what's needed. 
And really, you can use 

791
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,120
essentials very effectively with
a half a DRAM or a DRAM which is

792
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,720
just a wee bit right, and use 
them with self selection and 

793
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,440
zoopharmacomnosy. 
I'm not a huge fan of diffusion.

794
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,520
I don't diffuse. 
I don't recommend people 

795
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,080
diffuse. 
The reason why is that every 

796
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,720
single person or dog or cat is 
getting a medical treatment in 

797
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,600
that home. 
And essential oils are not meant

798
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,400
to make your house smell better.
You know, the forever dog life. 

799
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,080
It's a lovely kind of mix of 
different plants that you can 

800
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,560
put in water and let them simmer
and it fills your house with 

801
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,600
great smell. 
I'd love, I love that instead of

802
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,440
using essential oils, you know, 
orange, orange essential oil 

803
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,920
makes me feel so happy, right? 
I whiff it and I'm just like, Oh

804
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,080
my God. 
And grapefruit, I love organic 

805
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600
grapefruit. 
I go, you know, I get all like, 

806
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,000
oh, I love it. 
It makes me so happy. 

807
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,480
And but it's just a whiff. 
And when you diffuse, it goes 

808
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,880
into your bloodstream, it goes 
into your cat's bloodstream, it 

809
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,320
goes into your dog's 
bloodstream. 

810
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,320
They may not need it. 
And orange has medicinal 

811
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,080
properties, lemon has medicinal 
properties. 

812
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,280
Peppermint I would not use 
around my dogs unless it's just 

813
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
giving them a stiff, having them
choose it and then either 

814
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,800
walking away or or sitting down 
by it or wanting to sniff it a 

815
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,240
little more. 
Yeah. 

816
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,760
I mean, I think we need to be 
mindful of our plants and 

817
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,520
nature, and a lot of people 
don't understand the intensity 

818
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,680
that it takes to produce an oil 
and what that looks like. 

819
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,640
I have a few like I, I allude to
it in my book, but you know, I 

820
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,400
know a couple of like I whenever
essential oils come up, I always

821
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,560
mention these people because 
they are, they are so wonderful 

822
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,520
in the the world of essential 
oils, it is Kathy and Florian 

823
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Skipper. 
Kathy Skipper is a French 

824
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,760
trained aromatherapist with. 
I could I don't even think you 

825
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,160
could count the hours that she 
has put into her craft. 

826
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,080
I, you know, I, I quote her in 
my book on essential oils, but 

827
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,960
her and her husband Florian go 
all around the world distilling 

828
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
their own oils very, in very 
small batches of different types

829
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
of plants, stuff that you 
probably have never heard of in 

830
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,560
the essential oil market. 
And they use those oils to move 

831
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,840
trauma. 
They help people with 

832
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,720
generational trauma, with abuse,
child abuse, sexual abuse, all 

833
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,600
of those things that essential 
oils are so good at, moving that

834
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,200
energy and transforming that 
energy to get true healing for 

835
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,440
like some of the psychosomatic 
illnesses that we create for 

836
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,960
ourselves through emotion. 
And their work is phenomenal. 

837
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
I missed one of their seminars a
couple years ago and I just put 

838
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,560
a kick myself. 
I was like, how is this the only

839
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,440
time that I can't do something? 
I obviously wasn't meant to do 

840
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,880
it at that time, but I plan on 
taking one of their seminars if 

841
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,760
I can get around to it in a 
couple years from now for sure. 

842
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,360
But yeah, they are amazing. 
And I always mention them. 

843
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,760
They don't. 
They don't know me, but I know 

844
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,480
that. 
Well, I mean, that's, that's 

845
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,280
important, right? 
That you know that. 

846
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:21,840
Yeah, I, I, I love that because 
I think the more, the more we do

847
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,200
go down the rabbit hole, I 
always want to be aware that 

848
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,240
footprint that I have and, and 
what I'm doing, the more we 

849
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:34,360
learn about that, the better 
stewards of the planet we can 

850
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,320
be, which which is, is really 
important. 

851
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,360
And one more question before we 
we wrap up. 

852
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,040
I am just curious and I don't 
know if you have any case 

853
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,040
studies in the book, but is 
there anything, maybe a story 

854
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,960
that comes to mind where you 
were just, you used some herbs 

855
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,720
for a dog, maybe one of your 
dogs and you were just like, 

856
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,760
wow, this is absolutely amazing.
My entire career, yeah. 

857
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640
I wouldn't be here if that, if 
that wasn't my manifestation. 

858
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,960
Like, I can't help everyone, for
sure. 

859
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,400
You can't help everyone. 
You know, people and dogs are 

860
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,320
going to die when they're meant 
to, but they're in our lives for

861
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,480
a purpose, you know, And every 
day is a gift. 

862
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,280
But there's been, you know, like
Valley fever, I've done a couple

863
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,680
of Valley Fever herbal protocols
that have completely gotten rid 

864
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
of Valley fever where nothing 
was working. 

865
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Or, you know, I have a dog that 
I work with all the time that 

866
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,240
I've been working with the last 
four years. 

867
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,800
He had cancer when he came to 
me. 

868
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,880
He's still alive and thriving 
with cancer. 

869
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
It's very delicate because you 
don't know what the window you 

870
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,640
have. 
You know, the the shorter. 

871
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,600
I'm a cancer survivor. 
I've talked from experience, but

872
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,560
when your window is tiny, you 
need to take huge action. 

873
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,720
You don't know how much, how big
of a window. 

874
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,600
And this dog had a bigger window
and we were able to help him and

875
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,240
stop the progression of the 
cancer and he's doing really 

876
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,040
well. 
I deal with a lot of mast cell 

877
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,280
cancers, but recently I had a 
horse. 

878
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,360
I know this isn't a dog, but I 
just want to tell you about the 

879
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,840
horse. 
This was the most recent. 

880
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,000
This is just the most recent. 
Like just, I have this thing 

881
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,640
called the canine herbalist 
Advisory and I go in there and 

882
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,440
people ask me questions and I 
give them, you know, try this or

883
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,200
do this or whatever. 
So I do like a live thing every 

884
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,480
month. 
And a few months ago I was all 

885
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,640
alive and someone asked me about
their horse. 

886
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,360
And I love it when people come 
back and say, Oh my God. 

887
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,600
And I don't hear about it. 
A lot of times I hear about 

888
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,280
things like years later, like, 
Oh yeah, I used her and she 

889
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,200
cured my. 
And I'm like, I would have loved

890
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,440
to know, but this woman asked me
about her horse and they were 

891
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,040
going to have to put the horse 
down because of its mobility. 

892
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
You know, when horses can't 
walk, it's a terrible thing. 

893
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,640
And I'm like, you know, I would 
try mountain pine. 

894
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,480
I rattled off on a like a 
starting dose for the horse. 

895
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Most horses are between like 5 
and 900 lbs and some big ones 

896
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,320
are over 1000. 
But you know, roughly. 

897
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,560
She said it was a medium sized 
horse. 

898
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,040
And so I rattled off a dosage 
and told her, you know, give it 

899
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,800
two to three times a day. 
Start out with once, then do 

900
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,440
twice and then see how it goes 
over the next, you know, a few 

901
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,680
weeks or whatever. 
And that horse was running 

902
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,360
around in like a few days and, 
you know, and that's what you 

903
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,880
call well indicated. 
And I, I didn't have a case 

904
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,440
history. 
I like, I didn't have a case 

905
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,280
built for him. 
I didn't have paperwork or 

906
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,000
nothing. 
And she just said, you know, can

907
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,680
you tell me? 
And then I told her some 

908
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:27,640
homeopathy to add in like Aruda 
and Antarctica to had to add in 

909
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,720
later on. 
But I said, you know, when this 

910
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,080
stuff works, it works really 
well. 

911
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
So just give it a try first and 
then, you know, tag me in the 

912
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,400
group and we can try other 
things. 

913
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,080
And and she's just like, Oh my 
God, it like I, my horse is 

914
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,600
doing so well. 
This is just crazy. 

915
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,520
And it was either her horse or 
her friend's horse. 

916
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,600
And that was like the just the 
lack. 

917
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,400
This happened just recently. 
And I was like, because, you 

918
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:56,200
know, those types of things are,
are so important when all the 

919
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,120
chips have been played and 
there's not much else anyone can

920
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,000
do. 
That's when I love to see herbs 

921
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,320
come to the rescue. 
But even things that make up 

922
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,120
make a like a difference in 
everyday life, like acid reflux,

923
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,280
right? 
I deal with that in the book. 

924
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,760
There's all these different 
causes of acid reflux and 

925
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,040
finding that right remedy that 
stops your dog's acid reflux. 

926
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,240
You know, a lot, a lot of times 
it's emotional behind with diet 

927
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,760
combined with an herb that's 
acid reflux for me. 

928
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,720
But recently my own dog, and 
this is just a really great like

929
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,160
this is an everyday thing, 
right? 

930
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,760
So my Basset Hound that we 
talked about, she's circling the

931
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,760
funnel in her last. 
She's seen her last days I 

932
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,560
believe. 
I'm hoping she makes it another 

933
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,640
year. 
But she has anal cancer and we 

934
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,880
don't do much with it. 
We don't even act like she's has

935
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,960
anal cancer. 
We do what we can to for 

936
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,960
longevity every day. 
She is on an herbal support 

937
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,040
protocol. 
But one of the side effects of 

938
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,360
her anal cancer is diarrhea. 
And when I say diarrhea, I mean 

939
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,840
volcanic explosive, shoot it to 
the wall, nasty. 

940
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,600
Everyone's crying while they 
clean it up. 

941
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,640
She had it during Christmas 
packages opening this year, 

942
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,680
which was lovely. 
Everyone's crying and going poor

943
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,720
Lola and poor myself. 
You know, you get the nose plug,

944
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,920
you're like Oh my God and got 
the sage stick, the whole thing.

945
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:22,200
If Lola gets her BlackBerry leaf
tincture every day, she does not

946
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,480
have any diarrhea. 
Now of course it was Christmas 

947
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,360
and the night before, in the 
morning of, she missed 2 

948
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,760
dosages. 
She didn't get it. 

949
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,400
And then she get it. 
She let everything let us know 

950
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,240
that. 
Nope, not going to work. 

951
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,840
Just something like that, right?
That can add comfort to the dog,

952
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,280
keep them living longer because 
chronic diarrhea will will cause

953
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,680
a lot of horrible things happen 
to happen to your dog and making

954
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,720
other, you know, dog owners and 
dog guardians a lot happier. 

955
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Like I know my life is better 
with BlackBerry leaf. 

956
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,280
You know, I mean, it is and it's
just something so simple. 

957
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560
She just gets it in the mouth 
one dropper twice a day, keeps 

958
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,400
the diarrhea away. 
And that's just what's called 

959
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,600
acute herbalism. 
But it's fantastic, right? 

960
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,600
And nothing else works that 
works. 

961
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,760
And it's just a product of 
what's going on in her system. 

962
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,080
But she was supposed to be, she 
only was only given a few weeks 

963
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,440
over a year ago. 
So she's doing really well and 

964
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,880
doing really well. 
She has an herbal remedy that 

965
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,560
involves herbs and mushrooms and
BlackBerry leaf so and milk 

966
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,560
this. 
All that's amazing though. 

967
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Yeah, I've. 
I've been there. 

968
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,520
I've been there. 
I had a cat, a cat who passed a 

969
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,440
number of years ago now, but his
last like 2:00-ish years of 

970
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
life. 
I mean, the diarrhea was, it was

971
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,920
so bad I had puppy pads up on 
the wall because he would get in

972
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,400
the litter box and it went 
everywhere. 

973
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,520
Right? 
I I totally get that. 

974
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Yeah. 
No, no, we have my whole, I have

975
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,800
two dining rooms because I don't
know, you had two dining rooms 

976
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,880
in the 70s, right? 
So I've got these two, like I 

977
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,080
have the regular dining room 
that's attached to the kitchen 

978
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,720
and I have this other room. 
I use it to do puzzles and for 

979
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,680
some reason that is the place 
where things go down. 

980
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,160
We have a permanent waterproof 
pads that are covering the 

981
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,960
floor. 
You know, you're a dog owner 

982
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,360
when you have these things and 
you allow them to stay there, 

983
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,440
you know, and we have to like, 
that's at least she'll go in 

984
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,520
that one spot if if you haven't.
But I got it on the wall. 

985
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,600
I have it here in case, you 
know, she hasn't had it since 

986
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,280
Christmas because I was like, we
set alarms now to give her a 

987
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,120
BlackBerry leaf. 
But yeah, you know, it's just 

988
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,720
something simple. 
And, you know, yeah, we're dog 

989
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,120
owners. 
We can talk about diarrhea. 

990
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,720
Oh of course, yeah, absolutely. 
Well, I, I appreciate getting 2 

991
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,200
examples of ways that have been 
very impactful for you. 

992
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,640
So the herbal dog, it's coming 
out February 1st. 

993
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,920
You can pre-order it a lot of 
different places. 

994
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,120
Anywhere you guys? 
Yes, I know I pre-ordered mine 

995
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:19,120
just on Amazon because I mean, 
don't we all and where, but 

996
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
where can people? 
You've mentioned a couple of 

997
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,600
things that you have going on. 
Monographs, monoliths, 

998
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,640
monograph. 
Yeah, Monograph. 

999
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Yes, my teaching platform is 
canineherbalism.com. 

1000
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,040
You can find my podcast, you can
find the advisory, which is 

1001
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
$15.00 a month. 
You can ask unlimited questions 

1002
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,320
about anything, people, dogs, 
cats, birds, I don't care. 

1003
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:51,240
And I have courses on there and 
then I have Canine Herbalist. 

1004
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,760
So that's canine herbalism. 
I have canine herbalist and 

1005
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,520
that's my store and where I do 
consulting and formulation 

1006
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,040
inquires and things like that. 
And then I'm on all your socials

1007
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,560
at canine herbalist. 
And I think that's basically it.

1008
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,440
And then the herbal dog, which 
is my books website from my 

1009
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,160
publisher and you can order 
there. 

1010
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,400
It has many places to order, not
just Amazon. 

1011
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,080
We have like the bookshop and 
Barnes and Noble and Bam and the

1012
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,120
thrift books. 
Thriftbooks.com online has my 

1013
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:31,720
book and has had it for almost 
$6 off with free shipping so it 

1014
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,040
is the actually the cheapest 
place to get my book right now. 

1015
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,560
Oh, wow, OK. 
I think I've heard of them. 

1016
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,240
And you said that and I'm like, 
something went off in my brain, 

1017
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,360
like, oh, I've heard of them. 
Before I was like, I keep 

1018
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,440
checking and I'm like, when is 
it? 

1019
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,760
It's still on. 
I'm like Oh my God. 

1020
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,880
And I will also have copies for 
sale that I will sign, but those

1021
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,400
will be on my website hopefully 
by the 4th. 

1022
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,520
Awesome. 
And then I know you're doing a 

1023
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,520
book tour this year so that 
those dates, places and dates 

1024
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,480
will be on the Herbal Dog. 
They will be on the herbal 

1025
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,080
dog.com and they will also be on
my social media stuff. 

1026
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,280
So yeah. 
And I'll be attention and on 

1027
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,000
Monday. 
Yay. 

1028
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,080
And I can't wait to see you in 
July. 

1029
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,360
I know that one's going to sell 
out very, very quickly. 

1030
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,480
And I think, yeah, I'm just 
really, really excited and so 

1031
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,680
grateful for you and appreciate 
you helping so many dogs and pet

1032
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,200
parents learn more about how to 
how to use nature, how to get 

1033
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,240
back to nature and really find 
that health span, that long 

1034
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,000
healthy health span. 
That's cool. 

1035
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,120
Absolutely. 
And I thanks so much for having 

1036
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,600
me on Jessica. 
I really appreciate it. 

1037
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Of course. 
Thank you so much, Rita.