1 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,760 This was your idea to talk about oils. 2 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,360 And I love it because it's such a big topic and there's so much. 3 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:43,560 I think right now people are so used to one in the US at least, 4 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:50,640 politicizing everything and just taking such a strong stance and 5 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,120 like, not budging that people aren't willing to learn right 6 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,480 to. And so I hate that food has 7 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,960 become politicized, but that's where we are today. 8 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:10,320 And so hopefully my goal is to talk, just completely talk about 9 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,000 the facts and try to leave politics out of this because I 10 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,000 mean, politics has no business in food. 11 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,840 Like, literally every single one of us needs food to survive, to, 12 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:26,280 like, continue to live on this planet every day. 13 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 Like, yes, we do not need to be bringing politics into this. 14 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,960 I'm going to take a drink because my throat is like, I 15 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,600 don't know what's going on. Sip, girl, sip. 16 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,920 So no, I agree. So no, it's really frustrating. 17 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,000 We tend to joke in medicine like this is the hill that I'll die 18 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,280 on, right? And people will stick to their 19 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,520 guns until they're blue in the face, even if they turn out to 20 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,840 be wrong. And what's really frustrating 21 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,400 about it is you can be presented with the, I'm going to use air 22 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,400 quotes here for people who are listening and not watching, but 23 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,280 you can be presented with the evidence. 24 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,280 But where did that evidence come from? 25 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,520 How was the study run? Was there bias? 26 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,720 Was it cherry picked? Who funded that study? 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Was it a third party small company or a business? 28 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,680 Or was it a huge multi $1,000,000 pharmaceutical 29 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,760 company? And so it just makes it really 30 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,520 difficult. And then a lot of people don't 31 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,400 even read beyond an abstract. So let's say you're reading a 32 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,040 study and you just read the abstract, which is kind of that 33 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,520 beginning paragraph. Anybody's ever opened a study, 34 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:25,760 right? It's the first thing that comes 35 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,640 up and it's a summarization. You have to read beyond that 36 00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,760 because oftentimes they make very misleading statements and 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,120 don't actually tell you the results of the study. 38 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,040 They'll just have their hypothesis and if the results 39 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,760 don't match it, they don't have to put that in the abstract. 40 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,000 So it's really frustrating. You have to know how to dissect 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,920 a paper and you have to know how to really see about the validity 42 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,560 of something before you adopt that as science. 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:55,920 And unfortunately that's the background of the safety and 44 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:58,920 recommendation of Food Oil is is of seed oils. 45 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:01,040 Excuse me, is bad science bad science? 46 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,840 Well, and the reality is that, I mean, you can go down the rabbit 47 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:11,360 hole of everything else that the pharmaceutical companies have 48 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,160 also profited and benefited from, from that bad science, 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,320 from bringing seed oils into the food system. 50 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,880 Because, you know, going back, and I know you said you were 51 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,000 going to go back and get some of those statistics. 52 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,040 So I did not do that. But going back, it was 53 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,440 originally created canola oil was originally created because 54 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:41,080 of a surplus of machine oil that was being made for World War 2. 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,880 And they're like, OK, they put so much money and resources into 56 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,120 making this machine oil that they're like, instead of saying 57 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,120 let's reallocate these resources to something else, they're just 58 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,800 like, Nope, we're all in on this. 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,280 Let's figure out how we can use it in another way. 60 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:05,800 And it just, it took scientists to genetically modify the 61 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,440 rapeseed plant to be able to use it as food. 62 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,240 So that's what they did. And to get it to the point that 63 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,600 you see it on the shelf is horrifying, like. 64 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,920 So process. Literally the IT will disgust 65 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,480 you to the point where I think our we have been conditioned 66 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,080 that our like we get horrified about something and 10 seconds 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,520 later we've forgotten about it, right. 68 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,280 But like, go watch the video. Go watch. 69 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,160 Videos on. How how it is made because I 70 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,480 mean literally the chemicals they use to make this are 71 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,320 carcinogenic. They're horrible for us and they 72 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,200 claim that those chemicals don't survive into the final product. 73 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,080 But I don't, I don't, I don't know about, I don't know about 74 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,920 all this. And rancid, it's all rancid 75 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,160 100%. Like there you cannot get a seed 76 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,400 oil that isn't rancid. And one of the things who was 77 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,040 this that just somebody just said Millie's raw like yes. 78 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,520 And so I think it was sunflower, isn't it? 79 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,520 I believe it is sunflower oil that they used in mice when they 80 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,400 want to induce insulin resistance, like when they're 81 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,280 trying to do studies and study things and you can't do it all 82 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:23,360 that much, so you do it on mice. So I think it's sunflower oil 83 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,080 that they use to induce insulin resistance in mice. 84 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,920 So it's not like we don't know what this does to us. 85 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,280 Yeah. So I want to list. 86 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,480 Yes, please go ahead with your SO. 87 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,280 Millie for for people who are going to be just listening 88 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,440 because I'm going to put this on my podcast, but Millie's raw 89 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,160 Life said, how do you feel about sunflower oil in pre made raw 90 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,640 dog food? So not just dog food, but human 91 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,040 ingredients, right? Anywhere the ones that we're 92 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,080 talking about today are soybean. So these are the seed oils, 93 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,080 soybean, corn, canola, cotton seed, rapeseed, grape seed, 94 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,680 sunflower, safflower, sesame, peanut and rice bran. 95 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,960 Those are the oils, the ones that we are specifically not 96 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,760 talking about that I personally feel very comfortable using are 97 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,720 avocado oil, coconut oil, and with a caveat that I'll bring up 98 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,920 later, olive oil. So those are the oils that I 99 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,320 feel comfortable using that we are not talking about today. 100 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,560 So, but the ones that I listed, including Amelia's Raw Life, 101 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,760 sunflower oil is a big no for me. 102 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,720 Yeah. And, and a lot of a lot of 103 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,040 brands do use it to balance out their recipes. 104 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,480 And it's like you have to always balance the risk and reward and 105 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,920 everything that you're doing for yourself and for your pets. 106 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,880 And so if your choice is between a pre made company that has 107 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,680 incredible sourcing that is using all whole food ingredients 108 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,520 to balance their recipes and one of those ingredients happens to 109 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,040 be like a little bit of sunflower oil versus something 110 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,960 else you're looking at that maybe has Whole Foods in it, but 111 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,000 they're using a premix to balance it out. 112 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,520 I personally, I'm still going to choose the the whole food 113 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,400 balance that has a little bit of sunflower oil in it. 114 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,800 And granted, that's something that you have to decide for 115 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,160 yourself, but for me like that, I would choose that and. 116 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,960 It depends on how much, right? So for example, 3 to 5 117 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,240 tablespoons of a seed oil. So 3 to 5 tablespoons of corn 118 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,400 oil would be equivalent to about 60 to 70 ears of corn in a day. 119 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,240 That's how concentrated and condensed it is. 120 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,600 Or three to five tablespoons of soybean oil would be equivalent 121 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,560 to 2 lbs. Of soybeans per day. 122 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,000 These are numbers that no, no animal on this earth, be you a 123 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,200 cat, dog, human, could possibly, maybe an elephant could consume, 124 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,120 you know, 70 ears of corn per day. 125 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,680 But like, no, for the purpose of what we're talking about, nobody 126 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,240 is consuming that. That is not species appropriate. 127 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,760 It's not healthy. And so sure, maybe a couple of 128 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,360 drops of something, OK. But if something is calling for 129 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,440 and I'm, I'm happy to call out some brands, for example, just 130 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560 food for dogs. This is actually the first say, 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,840 fresh dog food that I ever came across years ago when I was 132 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,880 first researching fresh food for my pets. 133 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,440 And their recipes call for several tablespoons of safflower 134 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,440 oil. That's, I mean, excessive. 135 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,920 That's so much. And I didn't know it at the 136 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,960 time. And I, I actually did make a 137 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,440 couple of those recipes and it was when I was cooking. 138 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,720 And anyways, it did not turn out we switched to raw. 139 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,000 But you know, knowing how much is in there is very important, 140 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,480 right? So if something calls for three 141 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,280 to five tablespoons of a seed oil, but it's in a gigantic 142 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,760 batch, right? Like they're putting that much 143 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,600 in 50 lbs of food to make the food complete and balanced, and 144 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,600 then you're feeding 8 ounces of that food to your pet per day. 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,000 OK, that's not nearly as much, but if it's that amount of a 146 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,720 seed oil in one serving, that is excessive. 147 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,520 So knowing what it is, but also knowing the amount that is in 148 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,440 the serving that you're feeding is very important. 149 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,120 So should you come across something that has a seed oil in 150 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,720 it like that, reach out to the company and say, hey, do you 151 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,160 know how much of this is in there approximately based on 1 152 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 LB or something? You know, easy for them to 153 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,600 delineate and they should be able to answer those questions 154 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,600 for you. And if they can't, then perhaps 155 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,960 that's not the company for you. Yeah, absolutely. 156 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:28,560 So, OK, just the process of making these oils is bonkers to 157 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,480 me. That's bad enough. 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,600 But what it actually is doing in our body, that's the other thing 159 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,360 that we we really need to talk about and focus on because the 160 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,360 whole premise of adding these into our food supply in the 1st 161 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,680 place was that they lower cholesterol. 162 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:49,520 Their quote UN quote heart healthy which I complete like 163 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,800 I'm calling BS on this. I'm just completely physical. 164 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Pain now that I know so, so you're right Jess, they do 165 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:01,240 technically lower your LDL. Technically, they lower a 166 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,480 number. They lower a number like 167 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,360 there's. However, asterisks that most 168 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,920 people don't know by like. So they lower a number on a 169 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:14,320 piece of paper, but lowering this number has 0 beneficial 170 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,800 impact to cardiovascular health. So even though the number on 171 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,960 this piece of paper is lower, it is not improving health 172 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,560 outcomes. And there is a correlation with 173 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:27,040 the introduction of seed oils and heart disease prevalency. 174 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,840 And we can talk about that in a minute because I think you're 175 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,440 about to talk about insulin resistance. 176 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,800 Yeah. Well, so I have to be honest, 177 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,320 and I still kind of struggle a little bit with trying to 178 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,480 explain insulin resistance. But basically when you ingest 179 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,320 food, whatever food you are eating or whatever food your pet 180 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,760 is eating, your, your body is looking at protein, fat and 181 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,280 carbs. Like how are we going to process 182 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,400 these and break these down into usable, like how how our cells 183 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,160 can actually use these for energy. 184 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,920 And when we are primarily eating proteins and fats, we can go 185 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,960 into what's called a ketogenic state. 186 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,800 So we're using ketones in the body to, to fuel our body. 187 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Basically, when we eat a lot of sugars and carbohydrates, our 188 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,920 body has to produce insulin to break these down. 189 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,320 Am I getting this right? Kind of? 190 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:26,560 And so insulin is technically a hormone when we produce a ton of 191 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:31,240 insulin because our diet is full of starches and sugars and all 192 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,680 of these carbohydrates most, I mean, granted, yes, some, you 193 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:37,400 know, vegetables are going to have some carbohydrates, but we 194 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,760 consider those to be like healthy carbohydrates, which you 195 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,280 can still overdo if you're doing like the starchy kind of 196 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,040 potatoes and things like that. So our body is producing insulin 197 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,120 to break these down. And because it's a hormone, when 198 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,720 we have all of this insulin in the body, what doesn't get used 199 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,320 gets stored and it gets stored in fat cells. 200 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,080 And our like, it's, this is just too much for our body to handle. 201 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,720 Like producing the massive amounts of insulin that we do 202 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,320 for the standard American diet, which is what we're feeding our, 203 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,120 most of us are feeding our pets, right? 204 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,560 Especially when we're feeding kibble that is equivalent to the 205 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:18,680 standard American diet and it's it's too much for our body to be 206 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:24,160 able to handle. So we, and This is why like 207 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:29,000 it's, it's the excess is stored in fat, which is why we have a 208 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,600 lot, a lot of fat on our body. Yeah, well, you need to store 209 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,080 these hormones somewhere. And granted the liver is going 210 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,320 on too. Well, yes, there's the so stored 211 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,720 in stored. In skeletal muscles stored in 212 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,560 the liver, so it contributes to body fat just like overall 213 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:45,600 adiposity. So like that kind of like the 214 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,040 belly and the hips is where you tend to store it. 215 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,320 But then also fatty liver, like literal infiltration of the 216 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:59,160 liver turns from this beautiful and toxifying organ into just 217 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,520 this marbled. It's just bad. 218 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,920 It's just bad. But no, you're right. 219 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,840 And that's is all like a really, I think excellent explanation. 220 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,560 I like to think of insulin. I really like the way you 221 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:09,680 explain that. But I'm going to make this 222 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,560 analogy because in case anybody notice, I'm wearing all my 223 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,640 Bill's gear because today is football day. 224 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Insulin receptors on a cell looks like a goalpost. 225 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,240 So like this, right? And so you're almost just think, 226 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,920 I'm such a nerd. I almost think of it like you're 227 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,760 kicking the football through the goal posts. 228 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,320 That's glucose. So you're kicking it and needs 229 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,480 to go through these receptors and into the set. 230 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,760 The problem is if you're constantly bombarding your poor 231 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,400 little goal posts, Yeah, Millie's real life Go, Bill. 232 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,600 If you're constantly trying to kick football after football 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,600 after football through these goal posts, it's going to 234 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,680 collapse. And all of a sudden you can't 235 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:45,880 get it into the cell anymore. It gets desensitized and it's 236 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,000 exhausted because we don't want glucose in the bloodstream. 237 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,480 We want it in the cell, drive it inside because that is what is 238 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,160 going to help feed our mitochondria, which produces our 239 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,000 energy, which is what we need to live. 240 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,920 And so that's the big problem with this insulin resistance, is 241 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,920 it just gets so desensitized that you can't do it anymore. 242 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,680 It's like if you live next to a spruway and you always hear the 243 00:14:08,680 --> 00:14:10,800 vehicles passing. By after a while. 244 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,200 You don't hear it anymore, it just disappears. 245 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,840 That's that sound dissociation. And then a friend comes over and 246 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,640 they go, Oh my God, it's so loud here, how can you stand it? 247 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:20,720 And you're like, I didn't even hear it anymore. 248 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,400 That's what happens. That's insulin resistance. 249 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,800 And it's a huge problem. And these seed oils contribute 250 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,640 to that. They do and that and we were 251 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,040 asked to who asked this Oh Millie's real life about the 252 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,160 inflammatory nature of seed oils. 253 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,880 And I think talking about the inflammatory nature of seed oils 254 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,360 actually is it is also a good segue into fish oils because I 255 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,760 think that's what most of us think of omegas for is, is, is 256 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,320 reducing inflammation. But exactly what Cara was just 257 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,240 explaining, like when our body is over, so there's, there's 258 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,080 good stress and there's bad stress. 259 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,800 There's what do I want? How do I want to say this? 260 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,680 There's good stress, there's bad stress. 261 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,000 And we, a lot of us think of like Omega sixes, for example, 262 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,320 which seed oils are very high in Omega sixes. 263 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,160 They actually because of the high heat processing that they 264 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,520 go through, they're oxidized and they're they create trans fats. 265 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,520 So all of this is very, very inflammatory in our body. 266 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,480 So when we think of inflammation, we think of like 267 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Omega sixes because that is the responder that's helping the 268 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,240 body create inflammation. And inflammation is not always a 269 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,200 bad thing. So you get a cut, right? 270 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,480 You get a cut or a broken bone or something and your body is 271 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,640 going to create inflammation in that area because yes. 272 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,840 Proper wounds healing inflammatory cascade, right? 273 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Your cut's not going to stop bleeding unless you activate 274 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,480 your inflammatory cascade. Yes, you need it which you just. 275 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:50,560 Don't need why we need yes, so we do need Omega sixes because 276 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,440 that is what produce that that's producing the inflammatory, 277 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,640 that's helping produce the inflammatory response in the 278 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,760 body. So they are necessary. 279 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:05,800 We don't want to demonize Omega sixes, but when our entire diet 280 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,600 is Omega sixes, that's a problem. 281 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,040 We have to balance out the Omega sixes with the Omega and the 282 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,280 standard American diet has little to no Omega threes in it. 283 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,160 I mean, it's so bad when we think about what we eat, when we 284 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,960 think it. Well, I mean just the amount of 285 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,320 processed food we eat is insanity. 286 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Like literal insanity how much processed food we eat. 287 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,200 But even those of us that try to eat as much fresh Whole Foods as 288 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,400 possible if we are not sourcing them properly, if we are not 289 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,000 looking for grass, egg, grass, finished beef. 290 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,880 If we're not looking at pasture raised eggs, we're not. 291 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Like you have to be very intentional to actually get the 292 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,480 Omega threes in your diet unless you're going, unless you're 293 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,520 eating seafood, which we'll talk about in just a little bit. 294 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,560 There are a whole other sort of issues. 295 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Zone hosting problems. Yeah, so and then. 296 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,720 Oh, go ahead. The rancid like so all of these 297 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,599 seed oils are rancid, so they have to use deodorizers for us 298 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:10,760 to even eat them. Like literally if they didn't 299 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,680 deodorize the seed oils, we would all open a bottle of 300 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,280 canola oil and be like my God, there's no way I could put this 301 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,640 in my body. So imagine what those 302 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,839 deodorizers are doing to your bottom. 303 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,599 Yeah, and I mean beyond even just so, the Standard American 304 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,120 Diet, which we all lovingly called the SAD diet. 305 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,840 If you think about what's in pet food like kibble, which isn't 306 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,000 even food, it's feed, right? It's feed grade, not food grade. 307 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,800 The recommendation is 30 to one Omega 6 to omega-3. 308 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,520 That is so far beyond species appropriate in the wild, like 309 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,000 wolves and big cats would eat anywhere from 2:00 to 1:00 to 310 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,760 4:00 to 1:00 ratio depending on the season and what's available. 311 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,760 So, you know, to to say that it's OK to have 30 Omega 6 to 312 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:04,280 one omega-3 ratio is five to six times what a species appropriate 313 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,520 diet would provide. And it's just driving so much 314 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,680 disease, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, strokes, 315 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,960 cognitive disorders, cognitive like canine cognitive disorder 316 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,480 is related to inflammation. It's related to high sugar in 317 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,080 people, Alzheimer's, they're calling it type 3 diabetes. 318 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,880 Now finally, for years, for years, we've known that high 319 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,320 sugar contributes to Alzheimer's. 320 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,120 And it only just now is starting to come out in literature. 321 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:35,520 I mean, it's just it's bonkers. And what's so funny about so 322 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,720 much of this is from the minute this campaign started, I know 323 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,760 we're kind of hopping all over the place, but from the minute 324 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,640 this campaign started back in the 30s, based scientists and 325 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,880 nutritionists were they knew and they tried to push back and they 326 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,640 were silenced. And this is again where I'm 327 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,560 going to say I am not afraid to sound like a conspiracy 328 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,520 theorist. But the people who stuck their 329 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,480 neck out and said this is wrong, there's no data and you're going 330 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,400 to kill people were slandered. Their good name was run into the 331 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,480 ground. The papers that they that they 332 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,120 spent years and tons of money producing were buried never see 333 00:19:14,120 --> 00:19:16,080 the light of day. You. 334 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,640 Know and then their professional connections didn't want to be 335 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,720 associated with them anymore because then they were at risk. 336 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,800 When you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and more 337 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,400 than half of your life in school getting educated so that you can 338 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,560 then become the educator for other people and then you stand 339 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,760 up for the right thing and everything you have built for 340 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,280 gets yanked out from under you. Of course people stopped talking 341 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,120 and this is what happened. And I would strongly encourage 342 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,480 people to look into a book and I'll link it. 343 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,200 We can link it in. Crap. 344 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,000 I'm on my computer not my. I can't copy and paste it 345 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,440 because I'm on Instagram on my computer and not my phone. 346 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,800 But it's called the big fat surprise is the name of this 347 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,320 book. It's by Nina Teckels. 348 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,000 Nina. I'm sorry, I don't I don't know 349 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,960 how to say your last name but it's called the big fat 350 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:01,320 surprise. Why butter, meat and cheese 351 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,920 belong in a healthy diet. And it's all about the rise of 352 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,840 seed oils. The scientists that were 353 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,200 silenced and the very, very poor studies that this was based off 354 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,240 of when they integrated this into the nutrition 355 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,520 recommendations in 1961. So the big fat surprise. 356 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:17,760 Yeah. Well, I like it's on. 357 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,160 It's on Audible too. Yeah, I love that. 358 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,000 Freon Audible, if you sign up for a free trial, but it is 359 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,440 actually 10 years old as of January 5th, 2025. 360 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,080 Ten years old. So we've known about this for 10 361 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,880 years, ever longer, right? But people have been publishing 362 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,920 books for years and years and years. 363 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,040 And still you can find seed oils everywhere you go and you can 364 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,960 find them in the stupidest things like your salad dressing 365 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,800 or oat milk or bread. I mean, some of some of this 366 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,440 bread is so processed now. Cereal. 367 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,880 I mean, if you go out to a restaurant last week, my husband 368 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,920 and I, we went out to eat and I saw roasted cauliflower on the 369 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,080 menu and I asked the syrup. I was like, excuse me, could you 370 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,040 tell me what this is fried? And she's like, oh, I'll be 371 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,080 right back. She comes back. 372 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,440 Safflower oil or, excuse me, sunflower seed oil. 373 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480 I was like, OK, no thank you. You cannot get something fried 374 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,560 at a restaurant without it being fried in seed oils. 375 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,840 And that takes your healthy cauliflower into an unhealthy, 376 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,480 prone, inflammatory appetizer. So it's just almost impossible 377 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,440 to ignore because we demonized saturated fats, which is what 378 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,760 humans existed on for centuries with no heart disease. 379 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,480 Well, not only that, but literally, and you can correct 380 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,760 me because I know you're the medical professional here and 381 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,280 you already brought up cognitive function and Alzheimer's 382 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,080 dementia. But our brain, the all like the 383 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,440 myelin sheath around all of our cells, all of the building 384 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,760 blocks of our brain is comprised of primarily saturated fats. 385 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:53,640 So if we are, if we are not consuming saturated fats and 386 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,080 then how does that survive? How does that like exactly? 387 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,320 That's the problem. Yep, that's the problem. 388 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,560 And that's why cognitive disorders, I think, are becoming 389 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,040 so much more prevalent. You know, not just the sugar, 390 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,680 but also the lack of healthy fat. 391 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:13,360 Yes, it is really, really tough. It's almost and like I still, we 392 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,720 still eat out, but it's so much less than we used to because you 393 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,640 can't. You just can't. 394 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,080 Like can't avoid it. You almost have to just be so 395 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,520 intentional about, OK, we're going to quote UN quote, 396 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,920 splurge, whatever, however often once a month and like go to a 397 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,840 restaurant and not ask these questions, you know what I mean? 398 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,480 Because you're just going to be disappointed. 399 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,400 You're just though I will say one of the things that gets me 400 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:47,640 so hard is that I think it's Paul Saldino that says that it 401 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:53,720 takes like 2 plus years for your body to like detox after eating 402 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,640 seed oils. So like even going once a month 403 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320 and like man, I really shouldn't do that, you know what I mean? 404 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,040 And I go more than once a month, like still like, okay, there's 405 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,800 another two years. Well, it takes a couple of years 406 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,320 to have. Complete cell turnover as well. 407 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Yeah. So it's not, I don't know that 408 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,960 it's like directly linked to I had like some ranch dressing 409 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,680 when I went out to eat and got a salad, and now there's some seed 410 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,760 oils in me and you know what I mean? 411 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,520 But it's. Yeah, it's like the overall cell 412 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,240 turnover. So I mean, you can see 413 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,680 improvements if you cut these things out in just a couple of 414 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,920 months for some people, if they're really sensitive and 415 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,040 their diet was terrible, perhaps a couple of weeks. 416 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,400 But to get 100% cellular turnover and almost like start 417 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,720 completely anew, it takes a few years. 418 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,760 Yeah, but you absolutely can like start more. 419 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,520 And whenever you start, I'm, I'm one of those people that like 420 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,160 for so long, I'm like, I'll start on Monday, right. 421 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,360 But like, why wait for Monday? That's what I've been trying to 422 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,240 do lately is like I keep saying, people talking about like, don't 423 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,240 save that outfit for a special occasion. 424 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,120 Do you have any idea how many pieces of clothing in my are in 425 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,840 my closet, like waiting for some special occasion to wear that 426 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,280 And like I need to stop doing that. 427 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,360 And I think like, like that translates to like, don't wait 428 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:10,560 for a special occasion to start making improvements in your diet 429 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,200 and your pets diet because they all matter. 430 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,800 Every every tiny little thing that you do really matters and 431 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:21,000 compounds over time. And so, yeah, kind of maybe take 432 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,840 that inflammatory process and switch gears a little bit into 433 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,000 fish oils if you're ready to go there because Oh my gosh, 434 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 there's so much. And I will say most of what I 435 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,480 know, I just have to give a shout out. 436 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,520 Most of what I know and understand when it comes to 437 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,080 omegas in general is from Judah, I tell from Nordic Naturals. 438 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,600 I had tried to learn so much before talking to him, and it 439 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,720 just didn't stick. And he really like simplified 440 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,320 things and made things sound so easy. 441 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,720 Not well, I want to, I probably shouldn't say easy because it's 442 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,120 still difficult. It is difficult. 443 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,440 We just live in a world that makes things difficult for us as 444 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:07,040 far as finding clean sourcing and finding like the truth 445 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,840 basically like everything is so hidden in marketing that it can 446 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,040 be really hard to even if you're not paying attention to the 447 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,760 front label packaging, whatever you're looking at and you're 448 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,400 turning it around and looking at, you know, the ingredient 449 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,360 list or whatever, it can still be really, really hard to to be 450 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,920 like, OK, I trust and believe that this is going to be 451 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,160 beneficial or not to my body. And so with fish oils or let's 452 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,400 just say omegas, Omegas in general, we earlier said don't 453 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,760 demonize Omega sixes. We do need them. 454 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,880 And in fact, we the requirement or the, you know, the what we're 455 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,440 shooting for is actually to have more Omega sixes in the diet 456 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,440 than Omega threes, but to keep that keep them in check. 457 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,160 So as you were saying, the 30 to one, which I think is on the 458 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,480 kind of low side for a lot of pet foods, you know, Kibbles, 459 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,040 that is her. Like I, I feel like if a medical 460 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,680 doctor told a human to eat a diet that had that ratio, like 461 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,080 they would be like sued for malpractice or something, you 462 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,640 know, like that is so horrible. Yeah, it is unintentional. 463 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,480 People don't know. People don't understand. 464 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,480 They don't know, and doctors don't know. 465 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,960 Nurse practitioners don't know. We don't know. 466 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,360 I went to school for a really long time and guess how many 467 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,960 hours of specific nutrition training I received. 468 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:37,600 You could count. I was going to say, you can feel 469 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,640 like count on one hand. 00 nurses, we don't get that nurse 470 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,680 practitioner. We don't get that doctors. 471 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,840 Do you know how much doctors get? 472 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:49,640 88 hours of nutrition education. And it's all trash, by the way. 473 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,200 And they talk about like a lipid profiles and checking lipid 474 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,120 profiles, and they tie all that in there. 475 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,440 And it's actually incorrect information. 476 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,760 So what they're being taught is also wrong because it comes from 477 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,680 up here. And I mean, it's just so hard. 478 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840 And maybe just to give like a quick tie into current events so 479 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320 that people don't think I'm just a crazy person spouting 480 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120 nonsense. But probably a lot of people 481 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:15,720 have heard that red dye #5 finally a law has been passed to 482 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680 remove it from foods, right? They have two years. 483 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Companies have two years to remove these from their foods. 484 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,880 But we've known for 30 years, 30 that it's carcinogenic, it's 485 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,840 linked to cancer. So we've known for 30 years. 486 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,840 Finally in 2025, we said, hey, time to yank it, but we're 487 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,000 lenient. So you have until 2027 to 488 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,080 actually remove it from your product, right? 489 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:40,800 Well, like. How? 490 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:46,360 But not only that, they still have the grass process that 491 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:48,160 generally recognizes safe, right. 492 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,280 So that is still in play and how how all of these artificial dyes 493 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,920 have been used for so long to begin with is through this 494 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,720 generally recognized as safe system. 495 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,440 And so just like what happened, we were all thrilled that 496 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,600 Roundup had to pull glyphosate out of their product for sale, 497 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,440 not for AG, but for us, as you know, individuals to be able to 498 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,440 buy. And what did they do? 499 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,720 They just replaced it with four different chemicals that have 500 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,600 been found to be like 40 times more carcinogenic than 501 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,240 glyphosate to begin with. So I mean, the same thing in my 502 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,960 opinion. And it granted this is really 503 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,320 negative, but this is just what they have shown us that they 504 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,920 have done throughout the history of the FDA is that they will 505 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,920 probably just alter it chemically very slightly, call 506 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,200 it something else and put it right back through, through the 507 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,920 generally recognized as safe system. 508 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Yeah, well, because it's all about the money, it's all about 509 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,240 profits and it's all about who owns what. 510 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,480 And if you're ever questioning what you can use, look and see 511 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,880 what your who owns your company. I got really excited that last 512 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,360 month because I found some tallow, beef tallow at Sprouts, 513 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520 which is like a healthy food market near me. 514 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840 And I was like, Oh my God, tallow. 515 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,480 I'm going to get this and cook with it. 516 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,240 Brought it home, used it kind of was like this. 517 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,840 Seems a little bit weird, smells a little bit clinical, like it's 518 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,840 really white, like whiter than I would expect it to be cooked 519 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,080 with it. Didn't love it. 520 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,320 Looked them up and found out that the company is actually 521 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,400 owned by General Mills. Yeah. 522 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,080 So this was a small independent company and then they were 523 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,800 bought up by General Mills. So I went on their website and I 524 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,160 started looking through their reviews and if you go back four 525 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,840 years, the reviews are amazing. Once you get to two years ago 526 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520 when they got bought out, all of a sudden the reviews are saying 527 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,640 like it looks different, it smells different, it tastes 528 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,360 different. Well, that's when they were 529 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,520 purchased. Soon as you get purchased by an 530 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,480 MLN multi level marketing company, a billion dollar 531 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,400 corporation, which by the way, there's only like what 15 of 532 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,200 them that own 90% of all the processed foods in America or 533 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,440 something like that. That's crazy. 534 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,080 The quality takes a nosedive all of the things that just said. 535 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,840 Plus, know who owns your company that you're using because it 536 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,600 might not be them anymore. Well, and yes, we are going to 537 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,760 talk a little bit more about fish oils, but to elaborate on 538 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,720 that, I was just reading PFI Pet Pet food Industry. 539 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,360 They published blogs regularly and the General Mills Pet 540 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,440 division specifically who by the way, recently acquired Thera 541 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,000 Pets who people are still in love with. 542 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:37,520 So General Mills 2023 quarter for profits to 2024 quarter for 543 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:44,160 profits declined 4%. Meanwhile, like their sales, I'm 544 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,160 sorry, not there's profits, there's sales. 545 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,120 The sales from quarter four to quarter 4 and 23 to 24 decreased 546 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,560 4%. Meanwhile their profits 547 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,120 increased 9%. How do you do that unless you 548 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880 are seriously cutting the quality of the products you're 549 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:02,960 putting out for sale? Yep, Yep. 550 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,160 You either cut the quality or you increase the price. 551 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,600 But people would, people would be shouting to the rafters if 552 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,240 they significantly increase their price. 553 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,280 Yes, yeah. I hate it. 554 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,880 Both probably, but you know, yeah anyway, so yes, fish oils 555 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,680 or yeah, fish Omega threes in general, Omega threes in 556 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,320 general. So one of the things and I think 557 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,200 because there are still people out there who are looking for 558 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:36,040 for alternatives to fish to any sort of marine based Omega 559 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,360 threes and for good reason, because humans. 560 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Humans pollute everything. Yeah, humans. 561 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,800 Oh my gosh, we ruin everything. So we have to worry about 562 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,080 microplastics, we have to worry about mercury and lead and 563 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,320 cadmium, and we have to worry about overfishing, and we have 564 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,640 to worry about species that are on the bridge of extinction. 565 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,440 Like we have to worry about so many things when we consider 566 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,840 fish oils. So it makes sense that people 567 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,240 are like, how else can we get omegas indoors, right? 568 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,000 So I'm going to say this wrong. I want to say linoleic, but 569 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Judas says linoleinic. So I'm not sure which way it is 570 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,040 Ala alpha linoleic. That is what is considered 571 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,000 essential. EPA and DHA are considered 572 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,320 necessary. And so a lot of people will 573 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720 still look at things like flaxseed oil and say it has a 574 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,800 lot of Ala in it. So let's. 575 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,720 Have seed oil. Right. 576 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:40,640 And the problem there is that the conversion from Ala yes to 577 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,760 DHA and EPA in the body is really poor, like between 1 and 578 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,920 10%. So yes, we do want Ala and we 579 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,960 can get that from, in fact it's plentiful and a lot of plant 580 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,080 matter, flax, hemp, chia, leafy greens. 581 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,600 So we yes and it is necessary. And so we do need to be eating 582 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,480 plant matter for lots of different reasons, some of which 583 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,920 are, you know, fiber or microbiome, all of that. 584 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,280 But to get EPA and DHA, we've we've got to go to the ocean, 585 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,840 right? Whether that is fish sources, so 586 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,440 cold water fish or algae, that's still a good source. 587 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,720 We can still get the EPA and DHA from algae sources. 588 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,720 I think some of the problems with all of the problems with 589 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,520 fish are there with algae outside of I think at this point 590 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,440 it's it's grows really quickly. It's very sustained. 591 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,440 It's more sustainable I think than than, but we're still 592 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,120 dealing with all of the problems with plastics with an algae, I 593 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,120 think I don't, you can correct me on this. 594 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,160 Are we, I know with kelp we're dealing with a bioaccumulator. 595 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,400 Is algae a bioaccumulator too? I think algae is not and I tried 596 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,680 not to shake the camera, but I just tags tagged Amy runs from 597 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,080 one of my absolute favorite fresh food companies. 598 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,000 Goodness gracious at the other day she shared a phenomenal 599 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,280 chart that has like the levels of like by size of fish and risk 600 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,320 of mercury and other toxic heavy metals, and she had some other 601 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,920 things in there that I think included. 602 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,679 I have to go back and look so shame on me, but like the the 603 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,080 the levels of the fish oils so of the excuse me, Omega threes 604 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,520 and so I would definitely check her out. 605 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,960 Anybody who's listening Amy runs. 606 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,560 I think it's probably just goodness gracious. 607 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,280 Goodness gracious pet, I think it's goodness gracious pet, I 608 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,080 believe. You'll find it if you just look 609 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,120 up. Goodness gracious, they're an 610 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,800 amazing company. But yeah, she has some really 611 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,000 great resources. Yeah, and generally speaking it 612 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,679 is the smaller the fish, the less likely. 613 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:42,520 The lower the. Risk. 614 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,320 The lower the. Yeah, the lower the. 615 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,840 Lower you get on the food chain, the lower the risk of any kind 616 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,679 of contamination be a microplastics to mercury. 617 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:56,760 So that's why things like algae and phytoplankton or even like 618 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,480 krill, although there's like a moral conversation about krill, 619 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,080 but you know, the smaller, the smaller the better, essentially. 620 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:09,000 Yeah, absolutely. So we do need to supplement 621 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640 Omega threes in the diet and one of the questions earlier I think 622 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040 it was Millie's real life was cod liver oil and I think so cod 623 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,960 liver oil does have EPA and DHAI think a lot of when you're 624 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,760 finding it in pre made raw foods they are using it for like 625 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,560 vitamins A&D. Yeah, so all of those, which is 626 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,200 nice. Yes. 627 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,760 So yes, you're going to get the added benefit of Omega threes, 628 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,840 but they're probably not using enough to give you like any real 629 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,080 amount of Omega threes. I think with any pet food, even 630 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,520 if you're feeding a pre made raw, they are like yes, a lot of 631 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,440 them, some of them do have pretty decent levels of Omega 632 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800 threes in them because of how they're sourcing. 633 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,080 And since we're calling out brands, Green Juju is one of 634 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520 them that they have pretty decent levels of Omega threes. 635 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,840 Generally speaking. That's not a number that pet 636 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,120 food companies are aiming to hit outside of the 30 to one that, 637 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,160 you know, AFCO via the FDA requires. 638 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:17,440 So again, generally and you can still make Green Juju's ratio 639 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,840 better by supplementing. So like there's room and because 640 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,320 they're not using any fish currently and in any of their 641 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,320 current recipes, they're not using any fish because their 642 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,480 current food line that they have is geared towards dogs with lots 643 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,080 of food sensitivities and allergies. 644 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,600 So there's no marine life. Well, no, I'm sorry, that's not 645 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,680 true. They are using kelp. 646 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,360 So you do have to that that is a concern for some some dogs, but 647 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,320 I don't know. I don't know. 648 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,400 I don't is there any? I don't know. 649 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920 I would literally would have to go in a pet food store and look 650 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,280 to see if any fresh fruit food brand isn't using kelp. 651 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,120 Some valid, but that's a whole other. 652 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,640 That's a whole other thing, yeah. 653 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:06,560 So yes, so supplementing Omega threes to offset Omega sixes is 654 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,520 important for us and for our pets. 655 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,400 No matter what you're feeding and knowing what that Omega 656 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,960 ratio is in the pet food that you're feeding. 657 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,600 If like if you're trying to reach a certain ratio for your 658 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,760 pet, you that's not something that is on the packaging, you 659 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840 are going to have to contact the company about it. 660 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,440 Green Juju post theirs, which is why I happen to know that they 661 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,480 have pretty decent ratios in their foods. 662 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,760 Most pet food companies don't post it because one, it's not 663 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,880 required and most people aren't asking about it. 664 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:38,800 And you have to test. It costs money to test. 665 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,120 And they, I know that Green Juju does test theirs, but a lot. 666 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,760 Every time you send a sample, it costs a lot of money. 667 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,400 It does, It really does. So that the brands that do do 668 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,480 it, it's not for any other reason than they actually care 669 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,800 about the product they're putting out for your pet to eat. 670 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,960 So we do want to get, as Kara mentioned earlier, closer to 671 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:04,640 that one to four or yeah, I always get it backwards. 672 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,280 It's the Omega to Omega 6 would be one to four for pets. 673 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,920 And I think, I think it's like one to five for people, but I 674 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,520 mean. 5 or 6, Yeah. Yeah, it's so close that like 675 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,360 whatever, just keep it all the same in my head, just keep it 676 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,720 all the same. But so if you're actively 677 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,800 trying, like if you were spreadsheet feeding, bless your 678 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960 heart. But if you were spreadsheet 679 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:35,200 feeding and you're trying to get that exact ratio, you need to 680 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,360 know what your food is to and then look at your 681 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,120 supplementation on top of that. But yes, it's the EPA and DHA 682 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,240 that we're looking for. Anything that you're buying for 683 00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:50,080 an omega-3 supplement, don't all like what you care. 684 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,760 These are the things that you should care about. 685 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,760 They are sustainably fishing, right? 686 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,480 That's something that that I hope you care about. 687 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:04,840 They are third party tested for what's in it and what's not in 688 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,720 it. So for efficacy or I don't know 689 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,680 what's the word I'm looking for. So, so that you know what the 690 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,360 actual levels of EPA and DHA are, but you also know what the 691 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,160 levels of things that you don't like are. 692 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,560 So the mercury and lead and things like that. 693 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,200 For fish oil specifically, I prefer if you are getting it in 694 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,000 a jar, it is a glass jar that is tented. 695 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,040 So preferably like an amber or a dark blue jar. 696 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:37,400 So we are saving it from oxygen, light, heat even. 697 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,720 So keeping it like in the back of the pantry or in the actually 698 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,440 if you're getting a bottle, I would prefer it be in the fridge 699 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,480 once you open it and then no pumps. 700 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,920 If you're using pumps, you're adding air, air oxygenating it. 701 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,560 So it's going to go rancid faster. 702 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,720 I actually for small dogs especially prefer just getting 703 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,040 gel caps and puncturing those because I just don't think 704 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,760 you're going to be like, you get a jar. 705 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,720 I don't know that you're going to be able to go through it fast 706 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,560 enough with a tiny dog. Somebody like you, it's like 4. 707 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,760 I don't know how many dogs you have, right? 708 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,920 Now. Big dogs, you're going to go 709 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,840 through it, you know, quick enough that that's totally fine. 710 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,640 Just get, grab a, grab a big jar and put it in the fridge. 711 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,800 Somebody like me with 114 LB dog, like I'm probably going to 712 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,440 wind up throwing the last quarter of that jar away because 713 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,920 I don't want it in the fridge for more than maybe three months 714 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,960 at most. So those are some of the things 715 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,480 that that you want to look for. Do you? 716 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,360 I, I, there's, I feel like there was more and my brain just went 717 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,040 dead. So maybe you know of more. 718 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,880 No, I mean everything you said right to like the tinted bottle, 719 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,600 the smallest bottle, refrigerating it or a gel cap, 720 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,000 which then you don't have to worry about oxidation. 721 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,640 Because remember, every time you open it or if you put a pump in 722 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,640 there, every time you open it, you're exposing it to air. 723 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,640 Air equals oxidization. I mean, whatever is on top is 724 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,160 going to be exposed. So but if you have a pump like 725 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,480 that's going all the way to the bottom. 726 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:00,600 So I don't, I just don't love that. 727 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,920 Amelie's Rawlife said how do you feel about a fish oil versus 728 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,640 whole food sources of omegas? I am 100% all of the time going 729 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,560 to choose a whole Food First if I can. 730 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,520 And I'll tell you it's also usually cheaper because when 731 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,080 you're buying a supplement, you're paying for some kind of 732 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,880 processing, right? Somehow it has to be processed. 733 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,920 I absolutely cannot afford to buy a fish oil for my dogs. 734 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,520 I buy a gigantic 50 LB bag of sardines once every three 735 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,440 months. They sit in my chest razor, 736 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,960 which is to my right, making a buzzing sound, which I'm hoping 737 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960 nobody can hear and everybody gets a sardine a day and I feel 738 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,480 good about that or, and that I think that costs like $150.00. 739 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,840 So like 50 bucks a month in fish for my three dogs, which 740 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:48,640 collectively weigh about £250 versus a $45.00 bottle of fish 741 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,760 oil that would last the three of them. 742 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,560 Maybe if I was lucky 14 days right, it would cost double the 743 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,800 price. So it's but for some people, 744 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,680 there's no choice. If you live on a you're if 745 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,600 you're landlocked, perhaps you don't have access to fish or you 746 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,720 do, but the shipping would be astronomical to ship it in dry 747 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,320 ice, you know, or maybe you have like a local pet store and you 748 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,880 have just a small dog like Jess has her, Kimberly, her little 749 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,280 doggy. And perhaps you could feed a 750 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,600 freeze dried fish, you know, instead of having to get fresh 751 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,960 fish because the price is not that much, right. 752 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,680 So, you know, it's all about what you can afford, what you're 753 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,400 sourcing is and what you're comfortable with. 754 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840 And I think that just meeting people where they're at is 755 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,280 really important because it's, I often feel so frustrated and 756 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,800 guilty that I can't give my my dogs and my cats everything I 757 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,760 want them to have. I wish desperately that I could 758 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,360 pour grass fed grass finished meats and 100% pastured pork and 759 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,640 chicken and Turkey and 100% organic vegetables. 760 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,440 And you know, I mean, there's always ways to cut cost somehow. 761 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,120 Now my veggies are 100% veggie scraps, 100% veggie scraps, 762 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,680 carrot peels, carrot tops, you know, beet tops. 763 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,880 And you get to do. That because you have improved 764 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,920 your diet, right, Right. So you're eating those and now 765 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,800 you have the scraps available for them. 766 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,160 Yeah. And a lot of people don't even 767 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,320 know how to eat right anymore because we were not taught how 768 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,400 because the food pyramid is is a bought chart the. 769 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,840 Yeah. Companies have paid money. 770 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,960 Lucky Charms are better than eggs. 771 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:23,680 Yeah, like, tell me more about how Lucky Charms are going to 772 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,120 make you healthy. Oh, it makes me so mad. 773 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,400 So, yeah, the food pyramid is a joke. 774 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800 It's a crock of shit. Yeah. 775 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,400 You can't go by that. You can't go by what they teach 776 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,600 you in school. You can't go by what your doctor 777 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,160 is telling you to eat. So what the hell can you go by? 778 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,480 I don't know. I'm going to just fall into a 779 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,000 deep dark hole. I mean, I'm glad you brought up 780 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200 the freeze dried fish and the because that's what I do for my 781 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,240 cats is they get freeze dried minnows. 782 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,480 And so not only are they getting the EPA and DHA from the freeze 783 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,440 dried minnows, but they're they think they're just getting a 784 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,880 treat right. They're. 785 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,520 They're getting Richmond. It's good for their brain. 786 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,680 They're chewing on it, so it's good for their teeth. 787 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160 Yes. But I also think while we're on 788 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,440 the topic of Omega threes and EPA and DHA specifically that 789 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,000 it's important to understand that it's not just about 790 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,760 inflammation that we're looking at EPA, yes, it helps is that 791 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,440 response in the cell to alleviate and reduce 792 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,800 inflammation when that is necessary in the body. 793 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,640 But it also, so EPA specifically like if you're looking at there 794 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,160 are brands that will have like more EPA and then some that will 795 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:36,520 have more DHA. So the EPA is having additional 796 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,840 or greater EPA than DHAI think is better and like senior 797 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,840 animals. And then more DHA versus EPA is 798 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,880 really great for like puppies and kittens. 799 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,160 Because the DHA again not only are we reducing inflammation in 800 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,720 the body, but it is supporting brain function, nervous system 801 00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,520 health and just overall development of like your eyes 802 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,360 and organs and everything else. Whereas the EPA having greater 803 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,080 amounts of EPA versus DHA and senior animals, you're helping 804 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,040 their cardiovascular system, their joints and again their 805 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,680 brain health. But so we can, even though I 806 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,000 don't love like playing around with nature so much, like, you 807 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,720 know, just leave it the way it is in nature. 808 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:22,720 But still, I think if we need optimization at different stages 809 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,960 of life, especially if you have an animal, let's say that's been 810 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,440 kibble fed for a long time. And now they're getting close to 811 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,800 the end of life. And the pet parent is finally 812 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,280 like, Oh my gosh, I need to feed my dog fresh food. 813 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,760 And what can I do to support them? 814 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,840 And they're OK. Maybe we want a fish oil that is 815 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,880 specifically higher in EPA versus DHA like we can we have 816 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,880 the ability to to make these adjustments now, which is kind 817 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,160 of cool. I almost would counter that 818 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,640 depending on how the cognition is later in life for seniors, 819 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,240 you may want to lean heavier on the DHA or even alternate 820 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,920 because, yeah, EPA is great for cardiovascular health. 821 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,520 It's great for, you know, like countering malignancies and 822 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,520 stuff like that. DHA is just makes me think like 823 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,200 brain brain brain. Yeah. 824 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,120 So, you know, perhaps if you have a dog with cane and 825 00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,400 cognitive disorder or something like that, some kind of 826 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,360 neurological disease, I don't know, Parkinson's, seizure 827 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,720 disorder, then perhaps we're going to lean a little bit 828 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,840 heavier on the DHA. But as we get older, our cardio 829 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,800 metabolic pathways are affected and so we want to definitely 830 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,800 support those as well. Millie's real life said, can you 831 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,200 ever overdo omegas and cause inflammation? 832 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,760 Can you clarify, Millie, what you mean by that? 833 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,480 Because Omega 6100 and we're all living in that pro inflammatory 834 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,560 state, Omega threes. I have two things to say about 835 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160 that. The first is overdoing omega-3. 836 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,560 They're anti-inflammatory. So it's not that having a ton of 837 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,720 those would make you more inflamed. 838 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,560 It's that if you throw off that balance, it can put you at an 839 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,800 increased risk for like bleeding and you know, because then 840 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,800 you're tamping down your body's important inflammatory 841 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,080 functions. So you still have to be able to 842 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,560 clot and you have to, you know what I mean? 843 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,200 So yeah, it's all about balance. So you can have too much omega-3 844 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,840 and it's not it's too to be supplementing with like I would 845 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,240 call therapeutic doses of omega-3. 846 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,640 The caveat to that is if you have a ton of omegas, even if 847 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,440 it's your good Omega threes, right, you have lots of Ala and 848 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,920 EPA and DHA, you still they can get oxidized. 849 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,160 So you want to make sure that you have enough antioxidants 850 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,560 with your Omega threes. So vitamin E is an antioxidant, 851 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,440 vitamin C, right? And those are things that can be 852 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,000 harder to find in whole food sources, unfortunately. 853 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,400 Like that's right. Also, it's all about balance. 854 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,480 So because if you look at, OK, seeds are a good example, seeds 855 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,640 are high in vitamin E, but they're also high in omegas. 856 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,160 Food is balancing itself because it has both brain. 857 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,760 People talk about oh feed brain to your animal because it's high 858 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480 in vitamin E. Well it's also high in DHA. 859 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:03,080 It's balancing itself out. So if you extract specifically 860 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:07,720 only Omega threes and then pound it into the diet without giving 861 00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,440 additional vitamin E, then you can have a problem because it 862 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,440 can oxidize and now all of a sudden your anti-inflammatory 863 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,080 fat that you added to the diet is not anti-inflammatory 864 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,280 anymore. That's my caveat. 865 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,280 Yeah. Well, yes, I'm so glad you 866 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,920 brought up the vitamin E specifically because when you 867 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:29,160 are giving omegas at or Omega threes at therapeutic levels, 868 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,920 that is absolutely something you don't want to skip, skip that 869 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:38,920 step with additional vitamin ES. And also because we have been so 870 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,800 conditioned by the pharmaceutical companies that we 871 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,840 can pull something out of nature and supplement that just that 872 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,720 one thing. Isolate it. 873 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:53,560 Yes, we do tend to look at everything in a vacuum and not 874 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,440 how it all relates together, how it all works together, all the 875 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,480 key factors, all the Co nutrients and I love that you 876 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,440 said. That yes, nature does not exist 877 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,000 in a vacuum. Nothing should except for space, 878 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,800 any other spaces of vacuum. The other thing I would say 879 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:14,160 about supplementing Omega threes is that we can't forget that 880 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,720 this is still a fat. So if your dog is not fat 881 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:23,560 adapted, you want to go slow and, and because it is a fat, 882 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,000 there are calories to it. So we, there are lots of things 883 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,720 that we do want to consider, especially if we are giving like 884 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,840 therapeutic doses of something like, OK, we're still giving, 885 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,840 we're giving excess fats to our dog right now too. 886 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,200 So taking that into account with with their regular diet is is 887 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,640 going to be in the. Runs they could get, I mean, you 888 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,400 could even see pancreatitis because you're just like, if the 889 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,760 pancreas is already stressed and burnt out, you're in a pro 890 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,200 inflammatory state and then you're like, hey, I really want 891 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,600 to help you. Here's the thing. 892 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,040 That's anti-inflammatory. But in order for it to be 893 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,360 helpful, your pancreas has to work even harder. 894 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,480 And then the body's like, joke's on you friend. 895 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,760 So you do want to be careful and start slow and build up. 896 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,520 Don't just you don't throw the whole kitchen sink at it right 897 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,400 away. Absolutely Millie's Rawlady for 898 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,000 saying do you recommend a salmon oil brand and a tinted glass 899 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,240 bottle? I don't know about you, I 900 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,200 personally don't generally recommend salmon oil to begin 901 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,560 with. I also would not. 902 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,920 It's a big fish. And if you're going to choose a 903 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,240 fish oil, I would get the smallest fish possible. 904 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,800 So sardine, anchovy, I mean, I don't know, the jury's out on 905 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,800 krill because it's it's like not particularly sustainable. 906 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,560 Peter Dobias has a calamari oil, so you could try that. 907 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,560 That's small. I know Nordic Naturals has 908 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,680 stuff. I don't know their pet line. 909 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:37,200 Yeah. I. 910 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,800 Generally recommend Nordic naturals. 911 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,640 They have anchovy and sardine I think. 912 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,040 They haven't. I believe they have an algae as 913 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,920 well. I'd have to double. 914 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,200 Check. I know what's it called? 915 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,440 A Doord Beast has. It's not Joe Plankton, it's 916 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920 something else I have. It and I yeah, they need to. 917 00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,360 Think of it, but it's not an oil, it's a potency omega-3 and 918 00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,920 I think it might be on lying to people and I should check my 919 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,840 facts. Check out a Dorneys path carry. 920 00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,320 They have an oil. It's called potency omega-3, but 921 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,920 I don't know what the oil is like. 922 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,880 I apologize omillies for all I said Krill question mark. 923 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,800 Krill is like the teeniest, tiniest, littlest itty bitty 924 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,280 fish and it's what whales eat and they have to eat massive 925 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,960 amounts of it to stay alive, which is crazy that the largest 926 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,080 mammal in the ocean it's. The. 927 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,920 Smallest fish, yeah. So yeah, we. 928 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,280 It is it's they adored bees. The potency is algae. 929 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,920 Algae, OK, All right, gotcha. Yeah, but they have a powder 930 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:34,040 that I that I have been using recently and I can't remember it 931 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,560 is I stick, I think it's Phyto Plate, Phyto Synergy. 932 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,840 That's the name Vitosyn I. Think I have some of that too. 933 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,280 I've been using it for the dogs, but I think I'm going to start 934 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,600 putting it in my shakes. But yes, so some resources, 935 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,040 we'll link them as well. And then, you know, just just 936 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,040 it's OK to question and it's OK to do your research. 937 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,080 And if you're not sure where to start, you know, ask somebody 938 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,240 like us, we'll point you in the right direction. 939 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,280 Because let me tell you, I make $0.00 doing this. 940 00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,960 This is not talking about this. Do you know what this does? 941 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,800 This puts me right in the crossfires of companies that I 942 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,680 just mentioned, like just food for dogs. 943 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,280 Or do you know who else it puts stuffed Blue Buffalo has canola 944 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,200 oil and SAP, sunflower seed oil, The farmer's dog, which is all 945 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,760 over the commercials, including, I'm ashamed to say, the Super 946 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,000 Bowl commercials. They use sunflower oil. 947 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,920 Look, I am not mad at them in so far as that they have gotten to 948 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,880 a point where they put fresh food feeding in front of the 949 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,720 mainstream. Like if that's what we need to 950 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,160 do to bridge the gap, let's do it. 951 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,640 Let's do it. I will say their formulator. 952 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,440 I mean, I'm not, I'm disappointed with their 953 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,000 formulator. He could have done so much 954 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:54,000 better, but it is what it is. And you know, they needed to get 955 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,720 a product out at a certain price point for massive amounts of 956 00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:59,960 people and it's opening people's eyes. 957 00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:02,800 And so in that respect, I'm not mad about. 958 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,000 But unfortunately, it's also creating problems. 959 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,920 The amount of dogs that I've seen come to me with 960 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,360 pancreatitis a few months after they started feeding. 961 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,560 The farmer's dog is high because it's full of starchy carbs and 962 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,880 sunflower oil. And it's putting these dogs who 963 00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,440 existed for years on kibble and we're already in a pro 964 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,440 inflammatory state in exposing them to even more inflammatory 965 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,120 ingredients. And it's just, it's the 966 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,920 greatest. But I am glad that it is at 967 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,440 least making people look at the commercial and then go perhaps 968 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,360 there is another. And then I just hope that they 969 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,560 find their way to us. And then groups like, you know, 970 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,480 Doctor Judy Morgan's naturally healthy Pets and, you know, all 971 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040 these different groups that are just really phenomenal and full 972 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,640 of people who want nothing but the best for their for your 973 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,400 pets. So yes, it's it is raising the 974 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,840 question so that. Is it? 975 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,480 Is it? Is to start somewhere. 976 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,560 All right, guys. Thanks so much for joining us 977 00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,840 today. I, I will probably put this on 978 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,760 my podcast at some point as well too. 979 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,240 So yeah, do it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. 980 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,640 If you still have more questions, reach out to either 981 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,640 one of us. And if I don't know the answer, 982 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,120 I will find out the answer for you. 983 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,640 That's the goal or have somebody on the podcast who can answer 984 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,280 for you. So. 985 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,400 Exactly. If you don't know, you find 986 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,680 somebody who does. And yeah, stop eating seed oils 987 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,040 and stop feeding seed oil. And stop eating and feeding seed 988 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,200 oils. All right, everybody, rest of 989 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,640 your weekend, we'll talk to you later. 990 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,360 Bye. Bye.