1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,760 Hey there, it's Jess. If you're new here, I'm a 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,560 certified professional canine nutritionist, raw nutrition 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,720 certified for dogs and cats, a holistic pet health coach, the 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,040 founder of Wild Wellness Pet, and the host of the Pet 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Parenting Reset podcast that you're listening to right now, 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,960 where every pet deserves the absolute best and every pet 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,440 parent is welcome. 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Welcome back, pet parent. 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,360 Today's episode is, Oh my gosh, it is going to be so 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,080 interesting, but stick with me because when I tell you we're 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,440 talking about water, you're probably going to be like, Oh my 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,120 gosh, no, I'm not listening to this. 22 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,680 But seriously, it is vital for us and our pets to have access 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,280 to clean water. And the number of us that 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,560 probably actually have access to clean water, well, we have 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,880 access to it, but are we actually getting it? 26 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Are we providing it to our pets? That is a whole other thing. 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,800 And I'm going to tell you. So today's guest, I'm going to 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,840 introduce him in just a second, but I'm going to be learning 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,280 right along with you guys because I have I have so many 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,200 different questions. I've heard so many different 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,000 things about what we actually need for water. 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,960 I know our water is contaminated, period. 33 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,160 I don't care where you are in the US, probably around the 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,040 world, like our water is contaminated with so many 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,400 things. We're going to learn about all 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,440 of that. So I'm going to welcome today's 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,120 guest city and Kaufman. Thank you. 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,280 So much for being with us today. I'm so excited that you reached 39 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,720 out because even though I've talked about clean water so many 40 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,960 times on the podcast, I've never really had anybody to come on 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,840 and be like, I actually know about this. 42 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,840 Let me tell you. Thank you so much for having me 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,280 on. Actually, the reason I reached 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,360 out to you is because of the seemingly very boring subject 45 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,320 about the math of water and how the contaminants, the 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,480 contaminants affect you based on body weight has a really direct 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,440 correlation on pet health. And a lot of people don't know 48 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,760 about that because it's not really something the 49 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,200 Environmental Protection Agency talks about. 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,960 They do all their studies based on a 154 LB adult. 51 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,680 Every single one of their metrics is based on that. 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:52,240 So if you've got a 15 LB dog and all of their contaminants are 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,480 based on milligrams per kilogram of body weight, that literally 54 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,880 means that that dog is 10 times more susceptible to any 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,240 contaminant. Given the fact that dogs drink 56 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,640 between two to four times as much water, a dog may be as much 57 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:12,640 as 40 to 50 a hundred times if they're really teeny tiny dog 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,920 more susceptible to the same contaminant because the and I 59 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:19,760 know I'm jumping in the deep end of the pool and we can really 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,640 expand on this. But the kill shot here is 61 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,200 because certain contaminants are allowed above as long as they're 62 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,240 below a legal level that it's based on 154 LB adult. 63 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,200 If you are a smaller human or if you are an animal who can be up 64 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,920 to, I don't know, 5 lbs. Some animals you could be easily 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,000 with the toxic with the chemicals that are allowed in 66 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:51,800 the water that are not likely to affect a very big person could 67 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,600 easily affect a dog and due to their their metabolism it will 68 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,280 affect them faster. So some pets absolutely are 69 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,640 dying from tap water. Wow. 70 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Well, and I mean, I think of course this is my brain. 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,440 I'm thinking yes about the dogs, some about the cats only because 72 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,240 I mean, cats aren't great for drinking water in the 1st place. 73 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,600 They, they're really designed to get their moisture intake from 74 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,360 their food. But so many cats aren't fed a 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,280 moist diet. So, you know, they, they kind of 76 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:26,120 have to resort to water a lot of times if they will. 77 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:32,880 But even children even like me, I'm, I'm 110 lbs. 78 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:38,760 That means that I am close to what, 50% more susceptible to 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,520 whatever is happening in the tap water. 80 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 And then of course, my brain not only goes to what we're 81 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,920 drinking, but what we're bathing in because our our skin is our 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:54,920 biggest like organ system. Like this is just like honestly 83 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,400 I'm overwhelmed with it is where I'm at. 84 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:03,200 I know some people it is hard to to work through it. 85 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,120 It is easy to get overwhelmed that what the science says about 86 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,400 skin transferred. So we can start there in humans 87 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,520 at least. And there's no data I have about 88 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,760 this in animals, but in humans at least it's about 1%. 89 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:24,040 So what you're bathing in about 1% can transfer compared to 90 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,280 drinking. So in certain cases that is a 91 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:31,360 lot because the amount of, for example, forever chemicals P 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Foss, that type of stuff that you want is in the parts per 93 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,960 trillion, which to give an example of what that means, it 94 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,960 would be like a single drop in Lake MI. 95 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,480 It's a very, very minuscule amount that you do not want in 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,280 your body. Forever chemicals go. 97 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,080 So bathing in that can be a potentially we don't really know 98 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,960 a lot about the transfer of it, but if we follow the same 1% 99 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,160 rule, that can can be significant arsenic, though the 100 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,200 arsenic in your water, the and arsenic is in most water in some 101 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:09,880 way, shape or form about half the municipalities in let's say 102 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,920 Washington state, which I know more about the nether areas, 103 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,960 half the municipalities about have arsenic in it that are 104 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,200 below the legal level but above the health level for humans. 105 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,280 So if you're then taking that tap water and feeding it to your 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,920 dog, that can be really bad. So yeah, bathing is that it's a 107 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,240 concern, but drinking water is much more of a concern. 108 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,320 And then the list of contaminants are so vast. 109 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,480 I mean, in the meadows category, we're talking about arsenic and 110 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:44,000 lead and manganese. And we can get into things like 111 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,440 uranium has been found in drinking in tap water. 112 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,800 And then in the the other category is the volatile granite 113 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,120 compounds. We're talking about chlorine 114 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,960 byproducts a lot, dibromochloromethane and 115 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,000 halocetic acids and a bunch of other very complex sounding 116 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,080 words. And then there's man made 117 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,840 chemicals, there's pharmaceuticals and and then 118 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:09,080 there's some naturally occurring nitrates and and other forms of 119 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,480 byproducts from factories. So all of that has been found in 120 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,200 drinking water. Some of it is tested for, but 121 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:21,080 for pets it matters way more. You cannot go into that. 122 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,920 I can't. I just, you know, whatever comes 123 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,200 out of the tap. I used to drink from a garden 124 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,800 hose. All those ideas kind of they go 125 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,680 way out the window when it comes to the body weight size of an 126 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,920 animal. So I definitely, I mean, I'm 127 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,400 glad you started listing off some of the contaminants because 128 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,680 that was going to be one of my questions. 129 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,800 But it sounds like they're just so many people I would imagine 130 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,720 can, if they want like a comprehensive list, they could 131 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,840 find that where on the EPA's website. 132 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,760 Yeah, the EPA website will show a very big list, but that is not 133 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,960 the complete list. The complete list is in the 134 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,840 hundreds of thousands, and we don't test for that many things. 135 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,880 We have a strong idea that all of the levels are pretty low and 136 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,520 the human body is a homeostasis engine. 137 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,280 It's incredible at taking in contaminants and getting rid of 138 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,400 contaminants. It doesn't always. 139 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,760 A lot of it sits in your fat and it just stays there, sits in 140 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,520 your brain or sits around your organs or just floats in your 141 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,360 body and it is not released always unless you sweat or go 142 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,000 through some sort of detox, and even then it may not be. 143 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Forever chemicals are called forever chemicals because 144 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,440 they're not going to be metabolized or broken down at 145 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,360 all in your body. Cold plasma is currently the 146 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,320 first idea anyone's had for how to get rid of it. 147 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,440 And if anyone here knows what cold plasma is, we're talking 148 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:47,880 about 10 to thousands of dollars just to create it for a moment. 149 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:52,560 So it's like, it's definitely not viable currently to get rid 150 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,320 of forever chemicals. This is not to be doom and 151 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,960 gloom. Your body, your human body is 152 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,880 incredible at dealing with this stuff. 153 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,800 So, and not to say that you should highly recommend people 154 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,000 clean their water for themselves, but just know that 155 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:14,480 all of the measures and all of the balances are based on 154 156 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,600 lbs adult human. So each state, each county, 157 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,720 municipality, I, I remember, I don't know, not too long ago 158 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,480 where I used to live, they the water company actually like sent 159 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,200 out a booklet of like, this is what we found in the water. 160 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,200 So you can be confident or whatever. 161 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,520 I don't know. I guess that's what the 162 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,320 promotion was for. Can people, I, I would imagine 163 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,400 you would recommend people testing their water for 164 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,360 themselves for probably a number of reasons, but could they start 165 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:47,160 by just looking on their county or whoever they're getting their 166 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,280 water from's website to see like what testing they have done, 167 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,040 what they're saying is in their water? 168 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,880 How do you recommend people start figuring this out? 169 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,360 That's a great question. There are two free sources for 170 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,280 identifying what's in your tap water. 171 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,680 The municipality will release something. 172 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,680 It is not always some are very extensive and some are very 173 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:08,440 small. So that's one thing They're 174 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,880 required to do testing and they're required to prove that 175 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,600 they're testing meets legal levels. 176 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,840 So, and then and they have to release those. 177 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:18,360 The other website is called the Environmental working Group. 178 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,040 A little warning when you go on there, some of the levels they 179 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,320 describe are pretty extreme. They're going to they're saying 180 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,040 multiples like you, I saw this municipality recently that had 181 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,640 arsenic at .8 and one is the legal level. 182 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:37,080 So they were really close to the legal level, right? 183 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:42,680 They were 80% there, but the municipal, the environment 184 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:46,720 working group said that was 2000 times the health guideline, the 185 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,600 health guideline for arsenic 0. So I have no idea how you have a 186 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,080 multiplier from zero. So the 2000 makes no sense to 187 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,720 me. But the number is there, the 188 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,760 actual contaminant level is there. 189 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,960 That matters. Determining that matters the the 190 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,200 legal level is listed. The percentage of it is 191 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,840 therefore knowable based on those results, and the 192 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,560 Environmental Working Group will probably have a pretty extensive 193 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:18,640 list of contaminants for whatever your municipality is. 194 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:20,680 You just go to their tap water database. 195 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:26,360 That being said, everybody's only testing for roughly 50, 196 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:31,200 maybe 100 things and you are probably not going to go test 197 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:39,360 for 100,000 things because it would cost $50,000 to do. 198 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,200 It's maybe more, it would potentially cost much more than 199 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,240 that. Actually the the like the most 200 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,880 extensive test I know about is $2500 and that test for about 201 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,640 500 different things. We're not. 202 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,120 We're just not testing for everything that can be in the 203 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,880 water. Instead, what you want to do is 204 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,360 just do reverse osmosis. And if you want it for your 205 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,480 body, if you want to to get it, get it so you're not bathing in 206 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,400 it too, which is a good idea in some cases, then you want a 207 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:21,400 system that does that does kind of weak DI and is a honestly, 208 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,400 there's not a lot of companies doing full treatment for your 209 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,640 body. They're doing mostly softeners. 210 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:30,920 You'd have to reach out to just a few companies from our company 211 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,080 Pure Water, Northwest Water Tech does something like that. 212 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,720 Poseidon water system sells products like that. 213 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,640 So there's not a lot that do significant treatment or you do 214 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,320 whole house reverse osmosis. That is usually overkill because 215 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 the amount that does skin transfer is not a lot. 216 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,920 And if you really are interested in that, reach out to myself or 217 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,120 someone like me and get expert advice. 218 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,760 But for drinking water under counter, reverse osmosis is 219 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,960 going to be an extremely good catch all. 220 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:02,080 That's such a good point. Well, at first I have so many 221 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,760 questions, but it's such a good point that I actually didn't ask 222 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,600 you to tell people like who the heck you are and why they're 223 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,440 listening to you. I, yeah, I'm, my name is City 224 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,400 and Kaufman. I I own Pure Water Northwest and 225 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,520 I'm just kind of an avid study of water. 226 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,200 I have a significant amount of water knowledge that I'm 227 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,640 certainly not the smartest guy when it comes to water. 228 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,280 I just happen to know quite a lot. 229 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Quite a lot. Well, gosh, I mean, and it's so 230 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,280 vital. Like, you know, we still 231 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,280 probably all know somebody who has been around long enough that 232 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,800 they're like, I'm why are we paying for what? 233 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Like we didn't used to have to pay for what are we paying for 234 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,960 water? Like it's abundant on the Earth. 235 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,920 Obviously we can't drink all of that water, but it is kind of 236 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,640 interesting how far we've come in such a short period of time 237 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,160 relative to, you know, how long the Earth has been around, how 238 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,840 long humans have been around. But so, OK, reverse osmosis, I 239 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,800 mean, there are a lot of things out there. 240 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,440 There are a lot of water filtration systems out there. 241 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,840 I know like I'm in a situation now where I'm in transition. 242 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,200 So I'm between like I sold my home, I'm going to be renting 243 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,720 for a little while. So I, you know, I was in a 244 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,480 position where I could have done a whole and I had different 245 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,920 whole house filters. They weren't for this 246 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,560 necessarily. I had to have a water softener. 247 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 I had a whole house filter, but it wasn't doing all the things I 248 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,960 wanted to clean my water. I was looking at getting 249 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,240 something else and I was just like, I don't know what else to 250 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,040 get at this point because I'm looking at so many different 251 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,800 things. I don't know, should I go this 252 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,000 route? Should I go that route? 253 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,920 And, and you know, I have veterinarians telling me we 254 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,800 actually want structured water. And then I have people like Gary 255 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,840 Brecca telling me that we actually want hydrogen water. 256 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,960 And I'm like, what do we do? What do we actually want? 257 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,840 I don't know. Veterinarians are telling you 258 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,080 structured water. Wow. 259 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,520 All right, well, I'll jump into that. 260 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,000 First of all, if you get another house, Jessica, just give me a 261 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,680 I'll help you out, give you some free advice. 262 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,880 No problem. I don't even even know if I 263 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,240 could sell you anything, but I'll help you. 264 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,120 The thing about water is it's everywhere. 265 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,760 It scares people. It fascinates people. 266 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,120 People have to drink it. So if you bring up to them that 267 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,640 your water might be bad or dangerous, then they either get 268 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,680 terrified enough to do their own research or ask you questions, 269 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,200 or they have the ostrich effect, which is where they bury their 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,840 head in the sand and keep drinking the water because it 271 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,920 can be terrifying. You have to drink it. 272 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,280 If you go for a few days without it, you die. 273 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,600 So you're going to drink the water one way or the other. 274 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,040 And if you can't afford it, or if it seems too overwhelming, 275 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,400 you just keep drinking the water. 276 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,840 So that makes it a perfect environment for snake oil. 277 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,520 It is the absolute perfect thing for someone who's an influencer 278 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,800 or someone who's charismatic to come along and sell you 279 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,200 something that is like the perfect thing. 280 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,040 And structured water is a concept that was made by this. 281 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,960 The original guy was from Japan and he like sang to water and 282 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480 played music to water and froze it and had this idea that there 283 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,520 was some structure. And then this guy from the 284 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,760 University of Washington, kind of down the street from me, and 285 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,760 I can't remember his name, but he went a step further and he 286 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,640 looked at the molecular bonds that are created when water 287 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,160 rests against a hydrophilic surface. 288 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,920 And he postulated that if you were able to drink that it would 289 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,720 be healthy for you there. There is no such thing as 290 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,360 structured water that you can drink. 291 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,600 As soon as you drink, it lose its structure because it's a 292 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000 fluid. There is no possible way under 293 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,000 any circumstances that water can retain its structure in that 294 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,760 form. There is like some thought that 295 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,480 structured water may exist in fruit and that if you eat it, it 296 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,200 can last in your body for a little bit, which is great. 297 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,080 I mean, fruits good for you. And we're talking about 298 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,920 miniscule things that really matter so little that it is 299 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,440 absolutely snake oil. From that perspective, hydrogen 300 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,839 water is valid. However, hydrogen is a gas that 301 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,520 will pour out of water at an immense speed. 302 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,280 If you create hydrogen water, drink it immediately or it will 303 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,400 have no effect. It'll be gone within 5 minutes. 304 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,079 So you can't create hydrogen water and carry it around in 305 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,839 your bottle the rest of the day. It's not possible, but hydrogen 306 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,840 water does have health benefits if you can get it. 307 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,840 That being said, it has nowhere near the health benefits of 308 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,080 having water that has no volatile organic compounds, 309 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,480 pharmaceuticals, forever chemicals, metals, that kind of 310 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,760 stuff in it. That kind of water is much, much 311 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,640 healthier. So the the reason why reverse 312 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,040 osmosis is not everywhere is because reverse osmosis does 313 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,840 such a good job of cleaning, it's actually removing some of 314 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,360 the minerals and people want minerals in their water. 315 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,200 So the reality is the minerals you get from food, as long as 316 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,160 you eat a balanced diet, exceed water by about 100 times, you 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,880 will get virtually no benefit mineral wise from water compared 318 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,520 to the food you eat. But if you want minerals in your 319 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,040 water, do the if you're going to do all this extra work anyhow, 320 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:17,000 just pour minerals into your reverse osmosis water and you're 321 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,880 good to go. They sell packets and minerals 322 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,520 that are really great. Just do that. 323 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,720 Reverse osmosis water is the technology that right now is the 324 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,880 kind of panacea the the silver bullet that everyone is looking 325 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,040 for. It is actually just that good. 326 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Currently it is. It was designed to turn seawater 327 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,680 into drinking water. It can turn any water you're 328 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,000 getting out of your tap as long as you have a good RO that has 329 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,600 good prefiltration with carbon. It will turn any tap water into 330 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,880 good drinking water. If you don't have tap water, if 331 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,240 you're on a well, reverse osmosis can become fouled 332 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,840 because there can be biologics that can create a a slime 333 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,560 bacteria that can destroy a river osmosis. 334 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,680 So you would want to do a test if you have a well. 335 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,040 But that being said, our water is the silver bullet people are 336 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,920 looking for. So if you want to to have just 337 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,520 no confusion and just be like, look, I just want good water. 338 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,440 I don't know how to do all the tests needed. 339 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,320 Just get RO. So, but it does need it's. 340 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,760 It's dead at that point, and you do need to add minerals back to 341 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,600 it. It's dead as in it has just 342 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:34,480 hydrogen bound to oxygen, which is the main thing you need from 343 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,920 water. OK. 344 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,320 If you add minerals back to it though, yeah, it's it's 345 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,520 fantastic. OK, that makes sense. 346 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:48,440 It does so with our pets specifically like what that's 347 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,360 really where and, and The thing is that like I deal with animals 348 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,320 everyday, like my clients, these animals are sick, right? 349 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:01,680 Like, and I think to some degree we're all kind of sick to in 350 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,760 some shape form or fashion because we are constantly 351 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,560 exposed to toxins in our environment. 352 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,200 We're constantly exposed to toxins in our foods unless we're 353 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,400 being very. Be very careful unless we're 354 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,400 growing our own foods, unless we know exactly where are the 355 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,000 animals are being raised and like all of the things like 356 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,000 we're just exposed to so many toxins. 357 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,200 And it, like you said, is so, so much worse for our pets because 358 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,560 they are so much smaller that they may not be able. 359 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:37,720 I mean, so many of us, I feel like are not able to, to handle 360 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,840 the vast amount of toxins that we are exposed to every single 361 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,200 day. So do you have, do you have 362 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,720 anything that you tell people as far as like their pets are 363 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,120 concerned? Is there anything that they're 364 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,520 looking for that you're like, oh, this could be like toxin 365 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,720 overload and you really want to look at your water? 366 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,520 You're right, toxins are in your environment, so that means that 367 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,680 your water is just one of the sources. 368 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:06,160 Yeah. It is absolutely a good analogy 369 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,120 to think of it like a battlefield, for lack of a 370 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:12,080 better term, for lack of a better analogy. 371 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,200 And your body is doing a really, really good job. 372 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,960 And that's why, you know, despite all these toxins, many 373 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,960 people are alive and walking around with energy and 374 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,240 relatively healthy because your body is fighting off like a wave 375 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,560 of toxins in your food, in your water, in your environment, in 376 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,600 the air. And then naturally created from 377 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,360 exothermic reactions and exercise creates toxins, you 378 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,960 know, while simultaneously getting rid of toxins. 379 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,280 It's a funny thing. That's what our body does. 380 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,200 It's really good at dealing with toxins. 381 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,680 That being said, if you get rid of sources of toxins, then your 382 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,040 body has much more availability to deal with other toxins. 383 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,920 Does that make sense? Yep. 384 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,840 Identifying whether or not one thing is the source of your, 385 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:08,480 your, your pet being tired or seeming to have low energy or 386 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,480 dying early is really difficult because it could be a number of 387 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,640 things if you've got arsenic at .8. 388 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,200 I mean, the legal level for arsenic is, is one part per 389 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:26,040 million, because the EPA thinks that that level shows is a 390 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:32,840 statistically significant amount of increased health risk for 391 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:37,960 somebody having the effects of arsenic organ failures or 392 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:44,160 cancers or things like that. So if you have a dog that is 10 393 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,360 lbs, let's say 15 lbs, just so the math is easier, and they 394 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:53,360 drink two times the amount of water that you do, a .8 is now 395 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,400 is 8. It's now 16, which would be 396 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,200 roughly 16 times the legal level. 397 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:06,800 Effectively your dog is having 16 times more than the maximum 398 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760 level the EPA would say you would want. 399 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,720 That could absolutely have an effect on their lifespan. 400 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:20,360 So I would say that that would be a far more important thing 401 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,120 for vets to talk about than structured water structure. 402 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,680 I mean constructed water. I know why they're saying that 403 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,720 structured water has valid, valid hypothetical benefit if it 404 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,680 was able to remain structured. So there's no, it's not like 405 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,040 people are trying to trick people. 406 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,640 It's that the the they're they're skipping a step from 407 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,640 what the scientists that I still can't remember the name of at 408 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,240 the University of Washington stated in his book the fourth 409 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Phase of water that the book he wrote there cherry picking stuff 410 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,480 from it rather than reading the entire text. 411 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,040 He says right in there that it loses its structure when it goes 412 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,880 mobile. So it's, I don't know why vets 413 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,400 would be saying that rather than talking about metals because 414 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,920 that for a 15 LB dog that he drinks two times times the 415 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:16,320 amount of of water, you would be having roughly roughly 20 times 416 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,960 the amount of contaminants. So is there anything other than 417 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,240 the only reason I'm asking this is just to kind of give people 418 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,080 an idea of like a spectrum You go from tap water, which 419 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,400 obviously is horrible, probably regardless of where you live. 420 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,120 And I would imagine could testing your water, what you're 421 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,040 getting into your home may actually be different from what 422 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:44,920 the municipality is, is saying just because of the delivery and 423 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,600 the pipes that it has to go through. 424 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,480 And like things that are, it could be worse potentially, I 425 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,920 would imagine. It can be for sure. 426 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,640 So the science there and I won't spend a lot of time on this, is 427 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,880 it has chlorine in it. 99% of municipalities have chlorine. 428 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,480 Chlorine is going to travel through plumbing, kill bacteria, 429 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,640 oxidize iron, oxidize, pick up plastics and that is going to 430 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,040 create chlorine byproducts. So you'll have volatile organic 431 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,080 compounds from that. You'll have oxidized metals, 432 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:20,400 you'll have other metals. You'll have some biologics 433 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800 potentially, but probably probably not that many. 434 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,120 And then you'll have some microplastics and then anything 435 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:29,160 else that started in the factory that was unknown about two or 436 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,840 not fully ameliorated and there you go. 437 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,440 So yes, it will be different in your home than at the 438 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,560 municipality, but the amounts we're talking about are tiny, 439 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,840 tiny, tiny amounts, but they can build up. 440 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,680 So the answer is yes. Should you worry about that 441 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,320 significantly? I don't know. 442 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,360 Testing it in your home, if you can afford it, is always the 443 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,640 safer bet. So is there like a spectrum that 444 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:56,480 people between tap water and getting a reverse osmosis 445 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,800 system? Is there like a spectrum of of 446 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,760 what people can do in between there? 447 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,640 If, if somebody like maybe can't afford a reverse osmosis system 448 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,720 right now or because I wouldn't, can you get like, I actually 449 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,080 don't know because I haven't looked into it. 450 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,640 Like if you're, if you're renting, can you get a reverse 451 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920 osmosis system that's like a countertop system or like how 452 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,360 you can, I don't know what's out there. 453 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,160 Yeah, so R OS are not as expensive as they used to be. 454 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,800 And there are there are countertop models for 400, which 455 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000 can be a lot for some people. Of course, I'm not saying that's 456 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,880 low, but there are also countertop versions for like 457 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600 $4000 and those are way overkill. 458 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,320 The $400.00 one is going to be reverse osmosis still, which 459 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,080 means it's still going to do a good job. 460 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480 Hello doggy. So I mean, that is better than 461 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240 not doing anything for sure. Middle steps carbon is pretty 462 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,440 magical and what's in your fridge filter is carbon. 463 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600 It is not going to get rid of everything we're talking about, 464 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,600 but it's going to do an amazing job. 465 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,040 Carbon is very special. If you take this much carbon, 466 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,000 like a gram, right? It has so many tunnels inside of 467 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,760 it that are so small. If you take and this is this 468 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080 blows my mind. I said I've said this a lot 469 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,840 before and it blows my mind every single time. 470 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,680 If you take the surface area inside me, the surface area 471 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,680 inside all those thousands of tiny little tunnels and spread 472 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,400 it out, it would cover 3 tennis courts. 473 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,240 That is a tremendous amount of surface area for catching 474 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000 contaminants. It doesn't catch everything, but 475 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,680 it is amazing. Carbon is amazing. 476 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,880 That's why those those murky systems that are like these 477 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,160 countertop things where you put water in the top and pour it 478 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960 through, that's they're fantastic. 479 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,680 They're not getting rid of everything. 480 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,280 I'm not getting rid of as much as people think, but they're 481 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,840 great. They're really good. 482 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,440 The fridge filter you have is great. 483 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440 It's definitely not getting rid of everything at all. 484 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,880 It's just carbon. It's not going to do super stuff 485 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600 that like a reverse osmosis would do, but it's getting rid 486 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,720 of a lot. So though that's a middle 487 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,160 ground, bottled water is not a good middle ground. 488 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,480 I know you didn't mention bottled water and you probably 489 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,640 already know this, but bottled water has about, I don't know, 490 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,360 100,000 particles of microplastic per liter on 491 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,200 average. The reason is, is that it it 492 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,480 sits in transport for so long, getting shaken up, heating up, 493 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800 cooling down. It is absorbing stuff from the 494 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520 bottle that it's in, even if it's in a glass bottle. 495 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,120 The original source is not always the best. 496 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,240 There are is one of the most unregulated industries. 497 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,160 There are very few bottles that are actually good for you. 498 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,640 When it comes to bottle, there are a few very, very fancy ones 499 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,800 that actually come from a spring and then are filtered well or 500 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 come from a source where it's put through reverse osmosis and 501 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,840 then put into a glass bottle. And those are so expensive that 502 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400 if you just get an RO, you'll save money. 503 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,120 And does that make sense? It does. 504 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,520 So can you tell me what reverse osmosis? 505 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,240 Like what? What does that system do? 506 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,440 Why does it work? Yeah. 507 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,720 So a standard reverse osmosis will have a pre filter of carbon 508 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,720 because carbon is going to get rid of some of the stuff, but 509 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240 mainly because it's going to get rid of all your chlorine. 510 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,800 Chlorine will destroy a reverse osmosis membrane. 511 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640 When I say the word membrane, that's the heart and soul of a 512 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,080 reverse osmosis. When the water is pushed through 513 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,200 the membrane under pressure, the membrane is like a filter that 514 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:40,160 goes down to such a small level .00001 microns, meaning 10,000 515 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,840 times smaller than a human hairs, roughly 40,000 very very 516 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080 small, like 40,000 times smaller than a human hair down to the 517 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,760 level of like where molecules actually have to push through. 518 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560 The water pushes through the membrane so that the water goes 519 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,880 to one side, but it leaves behind water that's still bound 520 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,080 to metals on the other side. Now you have water that's on two 521 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,520 sides. You have bad water and good 522 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,640 water. The bad water gets pushed down 523 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160 the drain and the good water gets delivered to you. 524 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,880 Interesting. OK. 525 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,680 So obviously if you own a home and you have the means doing the 526 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,880 the whole home, well, you said earlier that might be overkill, 527 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800 but it also might just give you Peace of Mind. 528 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. If you can afford it, I always 529 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040 recommend whole home filtration. That's what I have for sure. 530 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,400 I have it partly though because my daughter gets eczema from 531 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,000 even a little bit of hardness and so when I put in a softener 532 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080 her her eczema went away. I don't know if that would be. 533 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,640 I don't think that's true for everyone with eczema, but it 534 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,920 definitely worked for my daughter. 535 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,320 It made a huge difference. So see a whole home filtration 536 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,720 is definitely recommended but under counter reverse osmosis, 537 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,200 especially if you have pets, highly recommend. 538 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640 So if you do like an under the counter system on your, I guess 539 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,000 your primary, your kitchen sink, are you as concerned with like 540 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000 the water you're brushing your teeth with or in other sinks in 541 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,120 the house or like, or is it kind of like you said earlier with 542 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,800 with the 1% in your skin like it's kind of negligible? 543 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,960 Yeah, it's super small. The amount of like water you get 544 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,800 in from teeth brushing or things like that, washing your hair, 545 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,560 bathing, all that stuff. It is pretty small. 546 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,080 And size really does matter because the dose is really what 547 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,200 has the effect. You can deal with things that 548 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400 create inflammation all day long and your body's like, this is 549 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320 easy until you get too much inflammation, then your body's 550 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,960 like, hold on a second here, I can't handle this. 551 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,040 And that's all it is. The amount really matters. 552 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280 So you talked about about, I mean, I think I understand, but 553 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,520 you talked a couple of times about like a health level and a 554 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,200 legal level. Both of those, the health level 555 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,640 and the legal level are both created based on 154. 556 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640 I think you said pound human. Is that accurate? 557 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280 And so the difference is going to be like the health level in 558 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,800 my mind is like what an average person person can live with and 559 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280 be healthy. And the legal level is then 560 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360 what? Right. 561 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Lobbyists have gotten our governments to say, no, you 562 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480 can't do this. You have to give us more leeway. 563 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720 Like, is that what it is? It's less sinister than that. 564 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,280 I'm going to be honest with you. It's just about money. 565 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,160 The EPA is is trying or was. I don't know what this EPA is 566 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920 doing. The EPA was trying to do a great 567 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,360 job. They were trying to do the best 568 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,520 job they can. But treating water is about 569 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 size, footprint size. So if you've got a municipality 570 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,920 that's able to get arsenic down to .05 SA, very low amount of 571 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,520 arsenic, right? And that municipality needs a 572 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:04,200 lot a physical real estate lot that is like 10,000 square feet. 573 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,440 That's the size they need. If you want that arsenic to be 574 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,360 10 times lower, the size of their footprint of the land they 575 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,360 own could be up to 10 times as much. 576 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,720 It may not be fully that, but it could be significantly higher. 577 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240 If that happens, your water bill is going to go up. 578 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,400 So the EPA says right on their website that the health level, 579 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,640 that the legal level is set as close to the health level as 580 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,120 possible taking cost and other factors into consideration. 581 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,640 I believe that's a direct quote. So they are, they're, they're 582 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440 basically saying, well, here's the health level, we can't 583 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,680 achieve that. So we'll put the legal level 584 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880 here because that's achievable. That's it, which is scary, but 585 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,360 that's what we're dealing with. That is scary. 586 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,560 I mean, like, it just, it makes me sad and it makes me mad and 587 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:03,240 it makes me like, but that's, I imagine because we allow so many 588 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200 other industries to pollute so much, right? 589 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,720 Like it's. It's partly that. 590 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,679 Domino effect. It's partly that. 591 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,679 But, and I know I'm, I know I'm Mr. Mitigator here, that's. 592 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,719 OK. I don't. 593 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,120 I don't want to say it's all the, the IT is absolutely DuPont 594 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,520 and other giant companies who are poisoning our environment 595 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,840 for sure. Like we wouldn't have forever 596 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920 chemicals probably with well, we might, but I don't know there 597 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,920 would be less forever chemicals without DuPont, but just by way 598 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,000 of example. But yeah, there are many, 599 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,520 there's many, many contaminants that are man made, absolutely. 600 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,080 But there is the periodic table of elements. 601 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,239 Periodic table of elements has, I don't know half, I don't know 602 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,360 exactly know how many of the contaminants on there are bad 603 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840 for you. Arsenic is on the periodic table 604 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,280 of elements. It's one of the, it's a 605 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,680 massively prolific metal. If you look on the Department of 606 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,040 Agriculture website, they will do a map for arsenic and you'll 607 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,480 see that it's just everywhere. So it's going to be in your 608 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040 water. So it's not just man made, there 609 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640 is there is a lot of this. It's just natural that we're 610 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,840 just dealing with because we've expanded into areas where we are 611 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560 like, OK, let's put water here, Let's dig for water here now. 612 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,320 And we find water that has contaminants in it naturally, 613 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,360 but it is definitely also man made. 614 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,240 They did a recent study on I think 19 river knows 23 rivers. 615 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,000 My memory is failing me. It's like 23 rivers in middle 616 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,960 America. 19 of them had forever chemicals above the level that 617 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,320 you would want for health. 19 out of the 20 threes and that is 618 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,200 absolutely 100% man made. Microplastics, 100% man made 619 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,320 factory. Most of the VOC's, not all of 620 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600 them. All man made pesticides. 621 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,040 Almost all man made. Well, I guess all technically, 622 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,520 but the pesticides have been around at some form or another 623 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120 by humans for a long time too, so. 624 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,760 So that's absolutely true that there's a lot of the blame has 625 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640 to do with humans and it is definitely worth being angry 626 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680 over, but some of it is natural too. 627 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,480 So if all we were dealing with was natural, it would probably 628 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,200 be a lot easier. That's true. 629 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600 Much, much easier. Yes, yes, you're right about 630 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,200 that. OK, look, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm a 631 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,480 capitalist. I'm not mad about capitalism. 632 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480 I'm just like, I guess, angry with greed. 633 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600 Yeah. Where I draw the line. 634 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,480 But yeah, anyway, I mean, OK, so go ahead. 635 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,400 The thing about capitalism is part of the way people get money 636 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,360 is by shunting their externalities off onto others. 637 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,280 And by externalities I'm talking about the benefit they get that 638 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,040 creates a cost that other people have to bear. 639 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,800 So that is a contaminant that is, that is an externality as in 640 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,160 like a carbon footprint or a a volume of waste product that is 641 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,200 now in the supply that we just discussed would be lower and 642 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080 that would definitely lead to a lower water bill. 643 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080 If there were no human contaminants in the water, it 644 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,000 would absolutely mean a lower water bill. 645 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,200 So that externality that we're paying for is a profit margin 646 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,920 for the companies that created it. 647 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,160 So capitalism is definitely valid to bring up here. 648 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,760 I'm also a capitalist. But like it is, it is it is a 649 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,120 interesting thing that if you were to capture all of the 650 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,920 externalities for these businesses, would they be 651 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,600 profitable? Yeah. 652 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,280 Well, and that is another thing that I mean, I talk about a lot 653 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,360 just in terms of like pet food formulation in general with like 654 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,960 synthetics and pet food. Because each one of these where 655 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440 pet food is concerned, each one of these vitamins or minerals 656 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,360 are tested in a vacuum to where like this is the, this is what 657 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,200 that the amount of manganese that this pet needs is this, but 658 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,480 it's not tested in combination with all of the others. 659 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,840 And I feel like that is the exact same thing that it's 660 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,240 happening with each individual product, each individual company 661 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,040 is making. Like yes, this is an allowable 662 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,240 limit for what you are making in this one product. 663 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,120 But then when we combine it with all of the products that we are 664 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,480 using and consuming on a daily basis, it far exceeds what we 665 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,920 should be doing. And then again, to your point, 666 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,280 the downstream effect of how they got there in the 1st place, 667 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,720 how they eliminated everything out like it's just, it's, it's 668 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,840 overwhelming to start and end this podcast with overwhelm. 669 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,480 And just to pile on, there is absolutely no requirement for 670 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920 them to follow a pet based standard for maximum 671 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,880 contaminants in pet food either or in the type of water they use 672 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,320 when they're creating the pet food. 673 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,800 So those are. All there aren't maximums on a 674 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,240 lot, even if they like copper, for example, is a big one and 675 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,840 that we're dealing with a lot lately in the past like decade 676 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200 is, is that there isn't a maximum on copper. 677 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000 And I was actually just at AFCO the past couple of years and 678 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200 they, they, they basically were like, yeah, no, we voted we're 679 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880 not putting a maximum on copper. Sorry, it's not happening. 680 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,760 So I get it. It's, it's, it's frustrating 681 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,760 and, and it just applies to literally everything. 682 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,640 And like you said, the water they're using to to make it, we 683 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360 have no control over that. Bottled water bad. 684 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440 Tap water, really bad. I mean, all of it really bad. 685 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,920 Carbon, great, you're going to get some things, but you're not 686 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960 going to get everything. Reverse osmosis, really good. 687 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080 Reverse osmosis, adding minerals back best. 688 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,680 OK. That's a great summary. 689 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,800 Especially for pets. Yeah, yeah, OK. 690 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,880 I mean, then that's my concern. Like if it's good enough for my 691 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,800 pets, it's good enough for me. It's kind of how I feel about 692 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,440 it. If it's good enough for me, it's 693 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,360 still not necessarily good enough for my pets. 694 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,960 That's exactly right. And then I don't even want to 695 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,560 say this, but some also want to be careful about the type of 696 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,640 bowl you're putting water in because you definitely don't 697 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,480 want like a copper bowl. You want stainless steel is OK, 698 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560 but even stainless steel can begin to corrode, especially if 699 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,240 you're having ultra pure water in it. 700 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640 But glass or ceramic, those are great. 701 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,720 That's that type of stuff is great. 702 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800 Plastics. Not the best, no. 703 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,320 Yeah, definitely don't recommend plastics. 704 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,320 I know. And stainless is is iffy to me 705 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,840 too, but also there are different types of stainless and 706 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,000 then like knock off stainless and like that confuses me and 707 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,120 I'm like, I'm just stick not doing stainless. 708 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,120 I mostly do ceramics also because like I love glass, but 709 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,040 I, I know that there are some glass has a lot of lead in it 710 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840 and I'm like, I don't want to deal with that either. 711 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,360 Yeah, a lot of them. Glass, made in the US at this 712 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,440 point, won't have lead now. Yeah, yeah. 713 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,760 And I know if you're, if you're a dog owner's got a really big 714 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160 dog, there's no way you're putting down a glass bowl. 715 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,280 Yeah, for a really big dog then. Probably not even ceramic. 716 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,360 Yeah, probably not even ceramic, but luckily they have a much 717 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,240 higher body weight, so yeah, a little bit less of a problem. 718 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,920 Yeah. And then ceramics I replace 719 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,560 pretty often because if it ever gets a chip in it, it's done. 720 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,480 Yeah. I know that I hate that so much. 721 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160 If I go to a restaurant and I'm served a plate that has a chip 722 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,200 in and I'm like, somebody call the health inspector like right 723 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120 now. Anyway, yeah, if that glaze is 724 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,120 broken at all, then I'm not not dealing with that. 725 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,240 I mean, there is just no perfect solution. 726 00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:02,120 But I appreciate your candor and how difficult something has 727 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,720 simple that should be so simple as water really, really is for I 728 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,400 think all of us. It's just like the world, you 729 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080 know, I was just talking to somebody the other day and 730 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,360 they're like, well, you know, we say that glyphosate is 731 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,280 ubiquitous, but what does that actually mean? 732 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,360 That actually means that like, how can we even guarantee an 733 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560 organic fruit or vegetable because of rain? 734 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,200 Like, you know, it's just, it's just a really tough, tough place 735 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520 we're in right now and we have to vote with our dollars. 736 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,480 Yeah, absolutely. I agree. 737 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,600 Yeah, well, city and thank you so much for all of this 738 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,120 knowledge, all of this information Can people if they 739 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080 if they want to go get a PhD in water. 740 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,080 You have a blog. Do you have What can people do? 741 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,520 I'm on a lot. I mean, I don't have a blog. 742 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,000 I should probably have a blog. You should have a sub stack. 743 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640 Okay, maybe you can tell me how to do that. 744 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,800 Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm 745 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,320 happy to learn. I'm on a lot of podcasts. 746 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,800 So, but I don't have my own podcasts. 747 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,560 I don't know, I'm just if anyone can find me though, my name is 748 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200 so unique if they look me up they'll find a phone number. 749 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,760 OK, yeah, I mean, I appreciate that. 750 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000 And a sub stack is kind of cool. It's where a lot of people went 751 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,360 when they were censored on, you know, the big Twitter when it 752 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,920 was Twitter and YouTube and all of the places when when they 753 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,000 were censored, a lot of people started sub stacks, which 754 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,720 basically are like, it's like you just write, it's a blog and 755 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,600 and they're different like tiers where you can put out like a 756 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840 free blog and then you can have like a subscriber or series 757 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,520 where like if you pay X number of dollars a month, you know, 758 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560 3-5 dollars, whatever, Then you get even more information from 759 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,000 me. It's interesting. 760 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,320 I only subscribe to a couple of people there, but it's 761 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,040 definitely information that I know I wouldn't be able to get 762 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,280 elsewhere. Kind of that. 763 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440 That's really cool. Yeah, it is. 764 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,600 And I think you have a topic that is niche enough that people 765 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600 really would be looking for it there. 766 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,880 OK. I'll do it. 767 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960 I'll figure out what you're talking about and learn about it 768 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400 next. Great, So Next up is sitting in 769 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,600 on sub stuff. No, really though, I appreciate 770 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,320 it because I'd still feel slightly overwhelmed and I feel 771 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,080 less overwhelmed. I feel like now and I think I 772 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560 still feel overwhelmed because I'm in a like renting situation 773 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,440 and I'm like, OK, how am I going to do this to where like me and 774 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,720 my pets are still getting the benefit. 775 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,400 But then I'm not like, I don't know, drilling holes in the 776 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560 countertop or I don't and this is where I'm at. 777 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,360 But you know, still, we'll figure it out and. 778 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,280 You don't have to be happen to be lucky have to have a soap 779 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,360 dispenser or anything in that. No. 780 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,200 Well, there's a yeah, the hose thingy. 781 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,560 That's it. You could lose that and then 782 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920 when you move out you could have them swap it back. 783 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,840 That would be a way to do it. Yeah, yeah. 784 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,120 OK, cool. Because I definitely, you know, 785 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,280 there's so many things we need to be doing and water is just a 786 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320 fundamental one that it's like, yeah, yeah. 787 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,040 Awesome. Well, thank you so much for all 788 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960 of that information, all of your knowledge. 789 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,520 Yeah. Look up Cydian if if you have 790 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,480 more questions. Obviously, his profile is linked 791 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120 on the website thepetparentingreset.com if you 792 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,320 want to learn more about him. And again, thank you so much for 793 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880 all of this wonderful knowledge. I appreciate you. 794 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,920 Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate you having me up. 795 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,200 Of course guys, I will talk to you again next week. 796 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,280 Until then, please give your pets some extra love from me and 797 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680 from city in this week and I will talk to you later.