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Welcome back pet parent. 
Today's episode is, I can 

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already tell, going to be one of
my favorites. 

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So you already know that I have 
been very intentional. 

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I have not had very many dog 
trainers on and honestly, that's

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just because I don't know who to
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There are so many dog trainers 
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Most of them aren't accredited 
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And that's not to say that they 
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trainers, but I am very, very 
particular about the methods 

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that are used in dog training. 
And I don't want to accidentally

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promote somebody whose methods 
that I'm not going to be 

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comfortable with if you go off 
and try to learn from this 

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person. 
So recently I had the 

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opportunity to speak at the 
Texas Pet Sitters Conference and

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a fellow speaker, Tod Anderson, 
who is here with us today 

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presented. 
And I got to learn a little bit 

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from her and learn a little bit 
about her. 

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And I was like, you know what? 
I actually think I can trust you

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to bring you on your podcast. 
So welcome, Tione, How are you 

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doing today? 
I'm good and I'm honored. 

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Thank you. 
Thank you. 

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It was wonderful meeting you at 
the Texas Pet Centers 

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Association. 
That was a great group, a great 

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crowd. 
Everybody wanted to learn and it

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was lovely meeting you as well. 
Thank you. 

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It was a great group and I 
think, you know, I brought your 

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slides up in my talk so much 
just because I felt like there 

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was so much like connection and 
overlap and I really wanted to, 

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I mean one I think that's good 
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I think like for speakers to be 
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speakers and, and, and to be 
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for the attendees, but to for 
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them to understand how 
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And so I was really, really 
excited that you were not like, 

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leave me out of it. 
Welcome to the Pet Parenting 

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Reset podcast. 
If you're new here, my name is 

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Jess and this is a space where 
we talk about all things health,

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span and quality of life for 
your pets and you too. 

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in. 

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Let me just do my thing. 
I think. 

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But it yeah, there was there was
so much that you talked about 

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that was just right on the nose.
I really appreciated everything 

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you said. 
One of the things we will get to

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today, I'm going to ask you to 
talk about it. 

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But before we get there, I what 
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to start out is not just like 
how you got into dog training, 

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but how you have stayed in dog 
training for as long as you 

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have. 
Because bless your heart. 

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That's a great question. 
No one's ever asked me that 

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before my industry and I'm going
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off the bat to your pet parents 
for my industry. 

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My industry is not regulated and
so anyone can call themselves a 

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dog trainer and it is very 
frustrating for pet parents 

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because they will hire a dog 
trainer and get some advice and 

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maybe the dog gets worse and 
then they have to hire another 

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dog trainer who tells them the 
first dog trainer was full of 

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malarkey and we have to do 
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It's kind of going to like 
multiple dentists or multiple 

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healthcare practitioners that 
tell you 50 different things and

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it can be frustrating. 
So it's really important to do 

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your research when you choose, 
you know someone to to help you 

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train your dogs. 
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that's also difficult is that 
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turnover, people get into this 
industry because they love dogs 

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and they want to save dogs and 
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then they just cycle out. 
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matter of life. 
You know, people get married and

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have kids and don't have time, 
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Or sometimes it's just burnout. 
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why I have been at this oh so 
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I like people and I enjoy 
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I enjoy working with families, 
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watching them connect and 
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each other and learn to live 
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And I think some people go into 
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dog professions, because they 
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drive them nuts. 
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part of the equation, don't get 
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working with people and, and I 
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what's lasted for so long. 
I have a passion for what I do. 

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I love what I do and I still 
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And I have always said that the 
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the day that I stop learning, 
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someone who's very close to me 
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get out of the business. 
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was still here. 
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that because that is so 
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get into any pet industry, 
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because they love pets so much. 
And that burnout happens so much

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quicker when you realize you 
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to the pets. 
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this, because I'm, I'm not going
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toes in dog training and I very 
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deal with the people. 
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but because these particular 
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you're telling them to do. 
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they're not getting the results 
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And that is just makes me want 
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I had that happen today, 
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I think I was offended more 
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to me? 
We should do what I do, what I 

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tell you to do. 
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arrogance when you're younger, 
the arrogance of youth. 

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Today. 
I basically tell people the 

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consequences. 
So I had a lovely couple with a 

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little puppy and they haven't 
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So I do believe there is a 
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your body that makes you forget 
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When you have the benefit and 
the blessings of an old dog, old

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dogs are the best. 
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this, that house training and 
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And I show up today for a follow
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what I said. 
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well. 
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for example, crate training. 
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opposed to it, but you're not 
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So I'm going to give you 
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And if you don't follow the 
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pick those instructions and only
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do because the results will 
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So let's say you wanted 
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We're going to meet at a 
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specific directions on how to 
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choose to follow half of them. 
You'll end up somewhere, but it 

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won't end up at that restaurant.
So you can do whatever you like.

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I'm not going to lose any sleep 
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I, I can't, That's how burnout 
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But if you complain about the 
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point this back out to you. 
You know, I'm just going to say,

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well, you know, I told you to do
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There's, there's not a magic 
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And I found that that approach 
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involved because it gives them 
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choices for their dogs, but it 
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because life is full of them. 
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So tell me a little bit about. 
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questions from what you just 
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into any one of those, tell me a
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a dog trainer. 
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saying I have been pretty vocal 
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like board and train programs 
or, and, and I, I think that you

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do something similar, but not 
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I don't like when people take 
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them off for weeks at a time, 
have no idea what's going on and

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they get them back. 
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that I don't like this so much 
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who went to a board and trained 
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shock collar and then became so 
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handle them. 
The owner didn't tell me this 

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dog was food aggressive, gave me
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both got bit. 
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it was so bad. 
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time this dog had bitten 
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was, it was the most horrible 
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with a dog in my life. 
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let him go because it was his 
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all the things. 
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bad emotional attachments to 
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I will try to be respectful of 
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But I want to know like, because
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from some of the things you do 
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programs, but I don't think 
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I don't think you're doing this 
like I'm the AA roll, like shot 

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caught, like you're not doing 
any of that stuff. 

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No, when I first started 
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should have more Gray than I do 
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chains and prong collars because
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grandparents did. 
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you did. 
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training on a day-to-day basis 
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with a different variety of 
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getting the results that I 
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something missing. 
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working and I started attending 
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more. 
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lot more information available 
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community and I got more and 
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I started studying under a bunch
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snowballed into the the the 
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But I left those tools behind 
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success using positive 
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spectrum of dogs. 
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and you use aggression to train 
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99% of the aggression cases that
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cases, some very dangerous dogs,
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Have I met a few dogs who were 
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Yes, yes I have. 
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aggression is based in fear, and
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punishing it, you're convincing 
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It was right all along to be 
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making things worse. 
That's whether you're doing in 

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homes or a board and train. 
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with in a board and train 
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So to backtrack and answer your 
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I go to people's homes, I do 
Zoom lessons. 

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I have clients all over the 
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of Canadian clients and 
different clients everywhere and

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we do board and train. 
Our board and train program is 

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different. 
There are tons of board and 

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train programs out there and I 
share your opinion of them. 

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I've written articles about 
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The main problem is they're used
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appropriate. 
We don't accept every dog into 

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our program. 
We just don't. 

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Also, they don't involve the 
people, so I will have someone 

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who says I got, We have a super 
puppy university and we take the

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puppy between 8:00 and 9:00 
weeks and we raise it for the 

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first month as if it's on our 
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It sleeps in our bedroom in the 
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I train it in the house with the
blender going and the dishes and

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all that stuff and you get a 
fully trained puppy. 

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We get people who want that 
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convenient, very fast food drive
through and we tell them their 

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responsibilities. 
They have to come once a week 

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for lessons because it doesn't 
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only listens to me. 
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that, we don't take into the 
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And we're very lucky. 
We're South Florida's oldest 

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positive dog training company, a
dog's best friend, and we can 

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cherry pick our customers. 
You know, we're not young and 

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struggling and starting out, but
if you're not going to 

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participate, you're not going to
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And unfortunately I get called a
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through a program where they got
a little video at the end that 

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showed them the dog trained, but
they were never taught how to 

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get the dog to do what the 
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And what good is that? 
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days and then just completely 
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mess. 
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useful, but there are a lot of 
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sell themselves quite a lot of 
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very successful. 
It you're right, because that 

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was what I found is that dog 
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people training than anything 
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Because if, if the person who is
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who is responsible for that dog 
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doesn't know how to read the 
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know how to ask for what they 
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don't want, then you're not 
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And that brings me to one of the
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conference was that it doesn't 
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You can tell your dog no, as 
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what do you want your dog to do?
Because that's what that's the 

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kind of instruction they need. 
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humans as well. 
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get that across to people 
because I did I, that was 100% 

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of the people that contacted me 
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to X great. 
What do you want them to do? 

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Right. 
And they're like. 

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Oh, I never. 
Thought of that. 

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Well, we can't leave it to them 
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So we take an animal that pees 
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things and destroys things and 
and barks and move around and 

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then we bring it into our homes 
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any of those things, those 
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species. 
We're not. 

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That's that's really 
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We want you to be different. 
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inclination is to do those 
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So if you just tell it, don't, 
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another idea and it's never 
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especially with the puppy. 
Puppy Miss Puppies make terrible

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decisions, terrible decisions. 
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makers. 
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mouth, whether it's delicious or
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So we can't leave it up to them 
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It's like putting a bunch of 
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something, you know, let's put 
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know, go down to the DMV and 
there's a bunch of new toddlers.

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You can't do that. 
So instead of just yelling at 

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your dog and getting frustrated 
for it, doing all these natural 

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dog like things, we can give 
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They don't automatically know 
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you say the words come sit, they
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Those have to be taught. 
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alternate, alternate behaviors, 
they become a lot easier to live

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with. 
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lot easier to live with us 
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communicators. 
I also think it's important that

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we still give them outlets to do
all those things that they still

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have to be. 
Dogs. 

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Yes, and that's something I 
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people, like if you want your 
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person. 
Don't. 

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I'm I'm not helping you. 
That's not dogs are not robots. 

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No, they're not. 
Like get a stuffed animal, get a

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fish. 
I don't know, just do something 

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that isn't a dog. 
And because they do, they do 

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have so many needs that even 
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One of the things I'm learning 
in this like because I'm just 

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like you, where if I'm not 
learning something every single 

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day, and then that was a wasted 
day in my opinion. 

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But even, like even with all of 
the things I have learned about 

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health and, and holistic health 
and trying to care for my pets 

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more naturally, I'm still 
constantly learning. 

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And I'm, I'm finding myself in 
this place right now where it's 

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like the simplest of things. 
Like how are we not thinking 

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about the fact that we have a 
circadian rhythm? 

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They have a circadian rhythm. 
Like they should be out in the 

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sunlight, just like we should be
out in the sunlight. 

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The air needs to be clean, the 
water needs to be clean. 

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Like frequencies matter. 
And just kind of getting back to

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like a more natural life, but 
obviously they, they still have 

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to live in a home with us, but 
having these outlets for them 

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where they get to be a dog, 
having, you know, sniff walks 

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and having not every walk has to
be regimented and, and right. 

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Can you talk to me a little bit 
more about how people can buy 

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these enrichment like activities
while still maintaining like the

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boundaries that we need to 
actually have them live in the 

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homes with us, right I. 
Think that it's, it's a great 

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topic because people want a well
behaved dog, but they, they are 

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dogs. 
And also depending on the breed 

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of dog you get, these breeds are
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predisposed by people by the way
we put them together. 

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We created breeds. 
You know, it started out as a 

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wolf, although there's some 
debate about that, too. 

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And then we made them into pugs 
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golden doodles, That's what we 
did. 

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But breeds are predisposed to do
certain things. 

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So it's very frustrating when 
pet parents get angry at the 

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breed for doing what it's bred 
to do. 

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If you bring home a Basset 
Hound, expect some noise. 

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They're going to Bay. 
They're, they're going to, you 

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know, whether or not they ever 
see a rabbit, they're going to 

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search for something and they're
going to Bay. 

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My Labradors, I had Labradors 
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They're bred to retreat, but I, 
that doesn't mean I want them to

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retrieve everything. 
But what I could do was teach 

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them and give them an outlet. 
They brought in my groceries, 

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they would bring me the remote 
control, they would fetch the 

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keys. 
I teach labs to bring all sorts 

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of things. 
If you want them to open the 

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fridge and get you a beer, I can
do that for you. 

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I can teach them how to do that 
thing and it gives them 

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something that makes your life 
easier. 

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Think of service dogs, right? 
But it's still within the realm 

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of of who that dog is. 
But they have to have fun time. 

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They have to have sniff time. 
I have the client. 

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It's a perfect example. 
When you were talking, she's got

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a little Yorkie. 
This Yorkie weighs 3 lbs, but 

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she is a Yorkshire terrier. 
And she was going after her 

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mom's slippers and going after 
her pants legs when she would 

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put her pants on and she was 
attacking things and not to be 

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vicious. 
She was playing. 

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And I explained, I said, well, 
she has to stop that. 

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She's going to trip you up. 
You're going to get hurt. 

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She's going to rip your pants. 
We can't have that. 

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But she's a terrier. 
She is bred to hunt and kill 

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vermin. 
You live in a beautiful home in 

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Boca Raton where there are no 
vermin, thank goodness. 

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But she has to have an outlet. 
So we got her a flirt pole. 

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And I don't know if you've used 
those. 

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It's a A. 
Tole with a cord and a little 

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toy on the end and you flick it.
It's like a cat toy. 

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And she chases the heck out of 
that thing. 

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She kills it and she shakes it 
and it does a death. 

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She does a death shake where she
shakes it and it squeaks and she

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kills it again. 
And then we're not chasing the 

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feet anymore. 
We're not going after the pants 

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anymore. 
She has a healthy outlet that's 

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perfectly acceptable and very 
good for her. 

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She gets nice and tired from 
that, but you still can't go 

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after these things. 
You can go after this, you can't

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go after that. 
It's giving her a choice that's 

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suitable for her. 
I love, I love that so much. 

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So one of the things that I you 
talked a little bit about some 

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of the ways things have changed 
since you started dog training, 

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some of the good ways. 
I think it you talked about that

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dog training has changed 
especially for you specifically.

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Do you still have, are there 
anything, any things that come 

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up that you still have concerns 
over? 

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Yes, you asked great questions, 
Jess 1 is that there's still a 

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prevalence in punishment based 
training when it there doesn't 

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need to be. 
And when I first started, I was 

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one of the few in my community 
that was positive based and it 

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was a struggle. 
People thought I was nuts like 

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why do you want all so many 
treats? 

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What is that about? 
Why are you? 

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And then they saw the results I 
was getting and then then 

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business got better. 
But also, there is a prevalence,

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and this is a personal soapbox, 
that outdated information just 

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hasn't been replaced at a rate 
that is good for dogs. 

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And I know that is in your field
as well, but for example, you 

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should never take a puppy out of
the house before it's had all 

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its shots. 
Well, finishing vaccination 

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schedules are usually at the age
of 16 weeks, but the critical 

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socialization period for puppies
where they're making opinions 

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about the world, ends at 12 
weeks. 

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And so I get called when the 
puppy's 4 1/2 five months old, 

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and I go in and the puppy is 
afraid of everything. 

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It's never seen a guy with a 
leaf blower and it's never hurt 

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a car before or a motorcycle or 
a kid on a skateboard before. 

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And now I'm behind because you 
really can't reclaim that. 

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And I have written about it, 
I've lectured about it, I share 

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this all the time. 
And it's still out there from 

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all sorts of professionals. 
And there are ways to do it that

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are safe for the puppy without, 
you know, you don't take them to

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a dog park, for heaven's sakes, 
don't do that. 

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Don't don't, you know, send them
into into a pet supply store, 

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Don't do things like that. 
But they have to be exposed at 

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earlier rates. 
So some of that information is 

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still very frustrating because 
it's still out there. 

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And I find myself, wow, aren't 
we past this yet? 

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But we're not. 
So I keep at it. 

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Yeah. 
Well, and I think too, I mean, 

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if you ask me that it's way, way
more than 16 weeks because I, I 

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tend to recommend if you spread 
them in. 

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Absolutely yes. 
Yes, I tend to. 

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Recommend a, a, a different 
vaccination schedule if if we do

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that at all, because there are 
actually other ways like no 

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sodes and things like this that 
we can, we can use with puppies 

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to create immune responses in a 
healthier way. 

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But anyway, that's neither here 
nor there. 

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So it sounds like what my next 
question was going to be. 

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When somebody brings home a new 
dog, what are the first couple 

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of things you want them to be 
focusing on before anything 

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else? 
If it's a puppy, of course you 

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just said this socialization 
period is much earlier in life 

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than what most people realize, 
but what are some other things? 

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The the two I get most common 
are house training and puppy 

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mouthing. 
Those are my top two of all the 

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years of doing this, that those 
are the ones that cause the most

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concern. 
I always know I'm walking into a

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house with a new puppy because 
they're either wearing long 

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sleeves or they have bandages 
all over their hearts from those

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little needle teeth. 
So I think that those are the 2 

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that are most easily addressed. 
One thing that is often 

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overlooked because it's not 
sexy. 

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It's not, you know, it's not a 
dog making a mess on the floor 

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that you're tired of cleaning up
or putting puncture holes in 

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you. 
It's husbandry behavior. 

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It's being able to handle your 
puppy and have the puppy enjoy 

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the handling so that you can 
take care of your puppy forever.

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I walked into a house once. 
I may have told the story at 

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Texas, I don't remember. 
But the IT was a poodle and she 

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called me in for loose leash 
walking. 

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The dog was pulling on leash and
I came in and the dog had this 

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green goopy eye. 
It looked awful. 

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And I said look, I'm not a vet, 
but your dog has a problem with 

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their eye. 
This is not normal. 

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And she said, oh, I know he's 
got a eye infection and I have 

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to take him to the vet three 
times a day to put in eye drops.

448
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,560
I said well why? 
She was oh, he won't let me, 

449
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,680
he'll bite me. 
And I said, let's work on that 

450
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,800
for forget the leash walking, 
let's work on that. 

451
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,440
And so many people don't know 
that they actually have a 

452
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,720
problem with handling their dog 
until there's a problem. 

453
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,400
And maybe that dog is 10, if 
you're lucky, maybe that dog is 

454
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,640
five, maybe that dog is older. 
And so by then it's more 

455
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,360
cemented. 
So I always do handling 

456
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,280
exercises, fun, happy handling 
exercises with puppies because I

457
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,240
want to be able to, you know, 
open up their eyeballs and look 

458
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,200
in their ears and go between 
their their feet for ticks and 

459
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,840
things like that. 
And I want to be able to handle 

460
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080
them without them getting snarky
about it and with them enjoying 

461
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,640
the experience. 
That is definitely something 

462
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
that is very overlooked with 
with a lot of dogs. 

463
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520
You brought up before the fact 
that aggression is fear and I 

464
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400
think that is something that 
people really don't. 

465
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Most people really don't 
understand. 

466
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,600
How do you, how do you go about 
explaining that? 

467
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000
How do you how do you teach that
to people so that they can 

468
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,560
understand their dog better? 
Well, I teach them that that 

469
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960
dogs have several ways to 
communicate. 

470
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,000
They're afraid. 
Some are runners. 

471
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,520
They're going to see something 
that's scary and they're gone. 

472
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,320
They're just they're just, you 
know, good luck to you. 

473
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040
I'm going to leave you behind 
and I'm just going to run home. 

474
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,080
And you survived this encounter.
Some dogs will shut down. 

475
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720
It's like la, la, la, la. 
Please let this nightmare be 

476
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,440
over. 
It's it's they will. 

477
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,440
You know, the vet can do 
anything to them. 

478
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,760
The groomer can do anything to 
them, but they're miserable the 

479
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,600
entire time. 
And then there are the best 

480
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,600
defense is a good offense dogs, 
and they're the ones that make 

481
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,600
themselves loud and scary to 
scare off what is coming at 

482
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
them. 
So if I scare you away first, 

483
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,760
you can't hurt me. 
And when a dog acts like that, 

484
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240
people don't understand that 
it's fear. 

485
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,040
But I can tell because of the 
dog's body language. 

486
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,440
And I'll start pointing it out. 
I said I walked in here and your

487
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,840
dog barked at me and came at me,
but then backed up and then 

488
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560
barked and then backed up and 
then hid behind you and then 

489
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,400
came out and barked some more. 
I said this is a dog that's 

490
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,480
afraid. 
If it was truly aggressive, it 

491
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,120
would just be in my face coming 
at me. 

492
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,240
Nothing. 
We wouldn't be conflicted like 

493
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,760
that. 
And I teach people a lot about 

494
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,320
body language and how the fear 
started so much earlier than 

495
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200
what they thought, so much 
earlier than what they thought. 

496
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,280
A dog that is tolerating guests 
but doesn't engage with guests 

497
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,320
is a dog that's already upset 
about them being there. 

498
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,120
And usually this builds and 
builds and builds, especially 

499
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,200
with puppies. 
And then when the puppy hits 

500
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,320
about 7 to 9 months old TV, they
start doing something about 

501
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,920
they're like, all right, I've 
been putting up with this crap 

502
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,120
for seven months and these 
people keep inviting people 

503
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,440
over. 
I don't know why they keep doing

504
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
that, but I'm finally going to 
lunge at somebody or I'm going 

505
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560
to nip somebody because I don't 
like it. 

506
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Or a toddler's going to come at 
them and get bit because the dog

507
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880
was telling them all along they 
were afraid, but people just 

508
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,400
don't know what the dog is 
saying so. 

509
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,320
I have a couple of more 
questions, but before I get to 

510
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,840
them, I want to take advantage 
of the fact that I have you and 

511
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,480
talk to you a little bit about 
my dog. 

512
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:06,160
So my dog is 12 years old. 
She is a mixed breed. 

513
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,880
I did the Embark. 
I don't know what you think 

514
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
about those DNA tests, but I 
think it's important to know 

515
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,240
what breeds you're working with,
especially when you have no idea

516
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
what they are. 
And she has a ton of breeds in 

517
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320
her. 
She looks like a terrier, but 

518
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Embark says she has no terrier 
in her whatsoever. 

519
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Her two primary breeds are 
poodle and Chihuahua. 

520
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400
OK. 
Which is apparently very common 

521
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
in Mexico, which is where she 
came from. 

522
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,000
I got her in San Diego and 
because there are a lot of dogs 

523
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,760
in San Diego that look like her 
and we all come out of Mexico. 

524
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,720
But anyway, she has never I I 
adopted her around 2 1/2 years 

525
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080
old. 
She, she was found out after we 

526
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,880
adopted her from the rescue that
she was living in a house with 

527
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,520
probably 10 or 12 other foster 
dogs in Mexico and Tijuana. 

528
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,360
And the person the foster was 
bringing in, because it's, I 

529
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,160
don't know if you don't know 
much about it, at least what was

530
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,120
going on in Mexico, but getting 
pet food from the US and New 

531
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,560
Mexico was very difficult. 
They have to take small amounts 

532
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,960
at a time. 
I don't know. 

533
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640
I don't know a whole lot about 
it other than what the rescue 

534
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040
told me. 
But he was only feeding these 

535
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,440
dogs like the bare minimum and 
selling the rest of the food 

536
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680
because it was profitable for 
him to do so. 

537
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,640
But I knew that she was already 
like, we had a lot of work to 

538
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
do. 
Well, we had another dog at the 

539
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
time. 
She never got along with this 

540
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
dog. 
She tolerated this dog kind of 

541
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,120
like you were just talking 
about. 

542
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,160
She tolerated this dog. 
And when the other dog passed 

543
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,240
away, she, I had her there 
because I'm, I'm a firm believer

544
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,880
in, you know, animals 
understanding these transitions 

545
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,360
and needing to know what's 
happening. 

546
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120
And so she was there when we had
to let the other dog go. 

547
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,200
She, to be honest, acted like 
she could care less, and I know 

548
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,560
that's horrible to say that she 
did. 

549
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680
She wanted. 
Yeah, she wanted. 

550
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Nothing to do with it. 
And I just let her do whatever 

551
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040
she wanted. 
You know, she is very attached 

552
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,120
to me and I will say I'm, I'm, I
am, I am part of the problem. 

553
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,920
I know I'm part of the problem. 
At any rate, she was very 

554
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,680
attached to me when I, when I 
got her, I did try to take her 

555
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,120
out a lot. 
We would go to, you know, 

556
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Michael's and Home Depot and do 
all the things. 

557
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,400
I would let her walk around in 
the park. 

558
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
But she has always been, she 
doesn't like other dogs. 

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,680
And I have tried to respect that
because I think there are some 

560
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,480
dogs that don't like other dogs 
and like there are people that 

561
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200
don't like other people. 
So I don't try to, I don't try 

562
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,840
to force her into situations. 
A year ago, our situation 

563
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,840
changed drastically and we have 
had a lot of changes. 

564
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,840
We moved from Texas to Virginia 
staying with family and my 

565
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:11,280
brother has a dog and this dog 
is very sweet but does not 

566
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840
understand social constructs 
whatsoever. 

567
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,480
So this dog is just, he's in the
middle of everything and he gets

568
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,600
barked at constantly and he just
hasn't. 

569
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,240
He's just like don't you don't. 
You don't OK, so anyway, her 

570
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,840
stress levels have been through 
the roof and I know they've been

571
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080
through the roof, but she has 
gotten quite reactive lately to 

572
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,880
the point where I am at a point 
where I just I know I need to 

573
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,920
change my behavior with her to 
get her in a better place 

574
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040
because she is not happy. 
And that's the that's the 

575
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,400
ultimate like she's not happy. 
And this is this is her 

576
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,360
behaviors are acting out because
she's not happy. 

577
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
So you might have more questions
but help me. 

578
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,120
Well, I can't, I can't go into a
full diagnostic unless that's 

579
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,520
what we do, of course. 
But what you have is what's her 

580
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
name? 
Kimberly. 

581
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Kimberly. 
So Kimberly, whatever happened 

582
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960
to Kimberly? 
The 1st 12 weeks of her life 

583
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
stamped her heart, her soul, and
her brain. 

584
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,000
We have no idea. 
But it doesn't sound like it was

585
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360
good. 
OK, doesn't sound like it was 

586
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,000
good. 
You also have one breed, 

587
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Chihuahua that has. 
And I love chives. 

588
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
I love them so don't. 
People don't uprise me about 

589
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,040
chives because I love them. 
But Chihuahuas, very similar to 

590
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,640
my Asian breeds, my Chows, my 
Shiba Inus, my Kitas have a 

591
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,640
limited circle of friends. 
And the thing about Chihuahuas 

592
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,960
especially is that when they 
love you, they love you. 

593
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520
And everybody who has a Chai in 
their heart sees that sweet, 

594
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,120
funny, quirky, kissy, just 
little smoosh bug. 

595
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
And everybody outside of that 
circle thinks that person's 

596
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,760
crazy because they never see 
that side of that dog. 

597
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320
And that's the Bree. 
They're they're, they're, 

598
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,400
they're not Labradors, you know,
they're not like high, complete 

599
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,080
stranger. 
You're my new bestie. 

600
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,239
That's a Labrador. 
That's what Labradors are 

601
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,679
supposed to be like. 
Chihuahuas are more like, if I 

602
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,440
have an opening, I'll take your 
resume. 

603
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,199
Until then, I'm not, I'm not 
interviewing anybody. 

604
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,600
I'm good. 
I'm good. 

605
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,719
I've got Jess, I'm good. 
I don't need anybody else. 

606
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,120
It's also probably based in 
insecurity and fear with the 

607
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,040
other dog coming at her. 
And there are lots of things 

608
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,800
that you can do with the 
knowledge that she's already 12.

609
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Is it easier to fix at six 
months? 

610
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Yes. 
But for now, giving her her 

611
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,719
space, not forcing her to be in 
proximity to that other dog who 

612
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,400
apparently has not learned how 
to speak dog and just doesn't 

613
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,760
accept that. 
Well, here's the thing. 

614
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,920
The other dog is optimistic. 
Can we be friends now? 

615
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,360
How about now? 
I could do now. 

616
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Is now better I could do now and
she's staying. 

617
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,960
No, I'm not interested. 
So giving you know, baby gates 

618
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,920
are wonderful. 
Having shifts where this dog is 

619
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,280
out and it's not going to solve 
your problem, but you need to 

620
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,960
manage it anyway. 
And giving her a safe space with

621
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,720
other dogs in the meantime would
be helpful. 

622
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,840
But if I were to come and work 
with you, what I would say is 

623
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,840
we're going to start counter 
conditioning and desensitization

624
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,440
all based in science to help her
get better. 

625
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,720
I completely use that phrase all
the time. 

626
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,680
We don't love everybody we need 
either, right? 

627
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Some family doesn't tolerate 
family well, right? 

628
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,880
But my goal for these dogs is 
that they learn to put, to 

629
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,280
tolerate. 
I don't need her to be besties 

630
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
with that dog. 
I don't need her to be besties 

631
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600
with everybody who she passes on
the street. 

632
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,920
But could we not have a heart 
attack about it? 

633
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,640
And could we not be vocal about 
it? 

634
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,160
And can you look to me for help?
Because when a dog is going 

635
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,800
outward, they're going get out 
of my face, get out of my face. 

636
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,440
They're taking matters into 
their own paws. 

637
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,440
What I want to do is help train 
them. 

638
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,000
That mom, that dog's bothering 
me. 

639
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Can you help me? 
And you're like, I got this. 

640
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,120
Because we're the ones supposed 
to be helpful here. 

641
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,920
I do believe it's never too late
to start. 

642
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,560
I mean, we learn new things 
every day, right? 

643
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,280
But management in the meantime, 
just don't try to as best as you

644
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
were able, just avoid those 
possibilities. 

645
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,760
And there are ways to give her 
enrichment in a room or 

646
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
somewhere that's separate with, 
you know, stuffed toys, 

647
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,400
interactive toys, things like 
that, where she doesn't feel 

648
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
like she's being banished or 
punished in that regard. 

649
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,800
Yeah. 
Oh, she loves to play, 

650
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,160
especially first thing in the 
morning. 

651
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,240
That's like, that's always been 
our routine. 

652
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,160
We get up in the morning, she 
goes out to potty and then we 

653
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,440
come in and she wants to play. 
And I love that about her. 

654
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,680
But I appreciate that. 
Thank you. 

655
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,640
And you brought up the word 
desensitization. 

656
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,160
And I would love for you to 
explain to people, especially 

657
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200
any men listening. 
And I say that with all the love

658
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,560
in my heart because I I have 
just encountered more men who 

659
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,960
have a hard time with this than 
women. 

660
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960
But can you explain the 
difference in desensitization 

661
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,680
and flooding? 
Oh my gosh, yes. 

662
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
So, and I think I used this in 
Texas too. 

663
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,800
If you were terrified of spiders
or snakes or something and I 

664
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,800
strapped you to a chair and 
poured spiders, tarantulas all 

665
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680
over your snakes, that's called 
flooding. 

666
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:51,480
It's too much at once. 
And some people think, well, 

667
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,720
that'll that you'll just get 
used to it, won't you? 

668
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
I can guarantee you if you did 
that to me, I would never get 

669
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,160
used to it and I would hate you.
So, So you you end up creating a

670
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,560
relationship rift with the 
person who did it to you and it 

671
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,000
doesn't make you love them 
anymore. 

672
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,280
It is a science, you know, it's 
a psychology term flooding. 

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560
It's, it's being flooded with 
something that you're terrified 

674
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,720
of. 
It's like being afraid of 

675
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,920
heights and walking halfway 
across a suspension bridge and 

676
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,040
then you come to the fact that 
you are, you can't you, you 

677
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,760
can't go back and you can't go 
forward because you're having a 

678
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,720
panic mug. 
It's it's too much. 

679
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Desensitization is better. 
Desensitization is working under

680
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,000
threshold and getting used to 
it, tolerant of something, and 

681
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,800
then gradually increasing the 
distance, shortening the 

682
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,800
distance between you and the 
monster until it's not a monster

683
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,320
anymore. 
But desensitization is always 

684
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,240
under threshold by threshold. 
Threshold is the distance where 

685
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,080
you notice the monster, but 
you're not in fight or flight 

686
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,520
yet. 
And yes, with all love in our 

687
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,800
hearts, men like to push it 
more. 

688
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,720
So I'll have a situation where 
I'm working with a dog that is a

689
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,240
resource guarder, guarding food 
or guarding the dog bowl or 

690
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,760
guarding something. 
And I'll give people specific 

691
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,480
exercises. 
And it's always going to be the 

692
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,760
guy that just takes one step 
closer or two steps closer. 

693
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,520
And I think it's their nature. 
It's their nature, but it 

694
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960
doesn't serve the dog. 
It makes the dog realize they 

695
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,440
were right all along. 
And so, for example, I have a 

696
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,880
dog that is scared of kids on 
bikes, and I'll have a kid 

697
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,080
riding a bike. 
Recruit a kid to ride a bike 

698
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,240
back and forth. 
And I may have to work two 

699
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,880
blocks away. 
I may have to work across the 

700
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200
street. 
Every dog gets to decide their 

701
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,600
own threshold, and every time. 
This is where counter 

702
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080
conditioning and desensitization
work together. 

703
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Counter conditioning is changing
an emotional response to a 

704
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
stimuli. 
So here I get technical with 

705
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:54,880
you. 
Sorry. 

706
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:04,520
If every time I eat a piece of 
broccoli I get a Hershey's kiss,

707
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,360
I'm going to like broccoli 
better because I'm not broccoli.

708
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,080
I'm just not. 
But if every time I took a bite 

709
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,640
I got to bite a piece of 
chocolate, I'm going to start 

710
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,160
looking forward to the broccoli 
because that's when I get my 

711
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,840
chocolate. 
Right. 

712
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,480
So if every time a dog looks at 
whatever scares it and they get 

713
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,600
a treat, it changes that 
emotional response. 

714
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,320
It says, I wish that kid on the 
the bike would hang around more 

715
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
because that's when I get cheese
puffs and that's when I get 

716
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,680
freeze dried chicken and that's 
when I get freeze dried liver 

717
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,640
or, you know, a little piece of,
you know, something amazing. 

718
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,240
Deli Turkey, Not too much deli 
Turkey, too much salt, but you 

719
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,440
know what I'm talking about 
something amazing. 

720
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
They start looking forward to 
it, and then we gradually get 

721
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520
closer and closer until the dog 
doesn't have that reaction 

722
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,840
anymore. 
And unfortunately, the dog gets 

723
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
to decide, which can be very 
frustrating. 

724
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,000
I think, and, and I've found 
it's also difficult initially 

725
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,280
unless they have somebody like 
you helping them decode where, 

726
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,000
how to, how to spot when a dog 
has hit their threshold because 

727
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,560
it's not the lunge. 
It's usually, and I, I found 

728
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,320
this with so many dogs, not all 
dogs, but so many dogs like 

729
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,960
actually pause, even if it's for
a split second, they like, they 

730
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,280
pause because they're trying to 
make a decision And, but not all

731
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,760
dogs do that, but a lot of them 
do. 

732
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,720
And I'm that part of it. 
Teaching the pet parent how to 

733
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,320
decode with where that threshold
is is one of the more difficult 

734
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,800
parts of that. 
Yes, because sometimes it is 

735
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,320
subtle. 
Sometimes the dog is barking and

736
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,920
lunching. 
And I told them, you know, dogs 

737
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
have hundreds of ways to avoid 
conflict. 

738
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,480
And by the time they're biting 
people, they've passed 99 of the

739
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
ways that they tried. 
And it's our job to learn to 

740
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,160
read them. 
So I'll work. 

741
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Let's say I have a dog reactive 
dog. 

742
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,360
I'll go to a dog park and never 
go in the park, but the problem 

743
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,600
is that there's a law somewhere 
that says if I have a dog 

744
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,680
reactive dog and I have a one 
hour lesson, we will never see 

745
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
another dog during that lesson. 
No matter where I am. 

746
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160
I have to go find the dogs. 
So what I've learned is that 

747
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,600
we'll go to a dog park and all 
the dogs are contained within 

748
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,440
the park and we work the parking
lot. 

749
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,520
So we may start at the very edge
of the parking lot and we're 

750
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,600
going to gradually work on our 
desensitization and counter 

751
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,480
conditioning. 
Look at the dogs, get a treat. 

752
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Look at the dogs, get a treat 
and move closer and closer. 

753
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,320
OK, at one point the dog will 
not be barking, the dog will not

754
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
be lunching, the dog will not be
growling or whining. 

755
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,240
But they stopped taking treats 
and the pet parent will and they

756
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,520
were able to say, well, he must 
be full, Like, no, he's not. 

757
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,080
I'd back up 10 feet, start it 
again. 

758
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,440
The dog eats like a pig. 
It's because when you're 

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,400
frightened, your body is not 
hungry. 

760
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,760
You know, when you're really 
scared, you're not thinking, 

761
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
gosh, I want pizza. 
You don't do that. 

762
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Your, your, your stomach stops 
working. 

763
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120
And so the dog is at that pause 
like you're talking about, they 

764
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,000
may freeze, they're pausing 
going, this is a little much, 

765
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000
this is a little much. 
And they, you know, they'll take

766
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,440
the treat and just spit it right
out or they'll just turn their 

767
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,520
head away like, and I don't, 
don't, I want that right now. 

768
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,760
I'm really worried about that 
dog behind the fence. 

769
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
And as soon as I back up and the
dog starts eating, the donor's 

770
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,840
like, oh, oh, she was just, we 
were too close. 

771
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,400
So now we have to back up. 
She told me she was too close. 

772
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,200
So now we're going to back up 
and work from here some more and

773
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,840
then we can move far forward. 
But if you keep trying and the 

774
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,280
dog's not eating, then it's not.
It's not productive and also the

775
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,240
dog's too afraid. 
But it's subtle. 

776
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
It is subtle. 
Yeah. 

777
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:59,120
I know a lot of people like me 
end up feeling pretty guilty 

778
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,360
because life is busy. 
Life is chaotic. 

779
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,440
You're, you feel like you're 
doing the best you can. 

780
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,280
There's always room for 
improvement. 

781
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,440
But you know, especially the the
society we live in today is 

782
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,080
intentionally set up. 
To where we have. 

783
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:26,760
Very limited bandwidth. 
How for an A normal average 

784
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,040
everyday household that probably
2 parents working kids in 

785
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,560
school, extracurriculars, like 
what does this actually look 

786
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,040
like on a daily basis to be able
to provide these things for a 

787
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,680
dog? 
What? 

788
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,960
How do you talk to people about 
that? 

789
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,360
For a a non problematic, I mean 
looking problems house training 

790
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Now for a regular dog that just 
needs manners, honestly, 15 

791
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,960
minutes a day and they don't 
have to be 15 in a row. 

792
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:05,240
I tell people train during your 
life because that's how you want

793
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,480
your dog to behave. 
So for example, we teach dogs 

794
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,280
the puppies that we have here to
wait at doors before they can go

795
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,400
outside. 
And this is for safety, not just

796
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,400
banners. 
So I can open my front door and 

797
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,120
whatever dogs are behind me, 
I'll go wait. 

798
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,200
And I can get my packages and I 
can bring them in and the doors 

799
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
wide open and I'm fumbling with 
packages and no one runs out the

800
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,480
front door. 
No one ends up being a door 

801
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,520
dasher, which is insane. 
If you're in a high rise and 

802
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,080
it's an elevator, just because 
the elevator door opens doesn't 

803
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,080
mean you want your dog running 
right in there, right? 

804
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,720
What if there's a nasty dog on 
the other side or some guy who 

805
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,400
hates dogs or whatever? 
We wait. 

806
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:49,480
So when I practice this, I take 
puppies in and out all day to go

807
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,000
to the bathroom and they're 
always allowed to go out to pee 

808
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,280
because I don't want to hesitate
there. 

809
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Please don't hesitate for that. 
But on the way in, we practice 

810
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
our weights at the door because 
I got to go in the house anyway.

811
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,760
So this is when I used to 
practice and I may do 3 reps, I 

812
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,720
may do 10, I may do 3-4 or five,
and then we go in. 

813
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,120
We practice not jumping on 
people. 

814
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,000
I have to give them something to
do. 

815
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,480
So you have to sit. 
If you sit, I will love on you 

816
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,280
all day long. 
But if you stand up, I'm going 

817
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,320
to stop. 
And this teaches them to 

818
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,040
approach people and sit rather 
than launching at them. 

819
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,040
Well, I have to interact with 
this puppy all day long as I'm 

820
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,600
training it. 
So we're going to work on 

821
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,160
sitting and I'm not going to pet
you unless you sit. 

822
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,640
And these puppies end up going 
up to strangers and sitting all 

823
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,320
the time expecting to be petted.
But it's part of it's part of my

824
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,880
routine. 
And if you make that like, OK, a

825
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,240
lot of people like to do this 
where they make the dog sit 

826
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,400
before they feed the dog and 
then they put the bowl down and 

827
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,120
then release the dog. 
That's fine. 

828
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,480
You're practicing a sit and 
you're going to feed the dog how

829
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,800
many times a day anyway? 
So sprinkle life lessons in and 

830
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,080
then the you'll find that the 
dog starts automatically waiting

831
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
at the door and automatically 
sitting because you've just 

832
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,440
incorporated it, as opposed to 
having this 30 minute designated

833
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,560
training time where it's very 
rehearsed and very practiced and

834
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,280
the dog doesn't listen to you 
outside of those 30 minutes. 

835
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,720
That, that's an interesting 
thing too, yeah. 

836
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,160
Being more intentional 
throughout the day, yes, that 

837
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
sounds, yeah, like a better way 
to approach it anyway, because, 

838
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,880
I mean, that's how you would 
with your kids too, right? 

839
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:29,720
I assume. 
I don't know. 

840
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,440
I don't have human children. 
I don't. 

841
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,320
Have human children either. 
So that was my shrug. 

842
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,000
What do we know? 
Auntie took too many. 

843
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,240
But no, it can't just be that 
slot like people say. 

844
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,920
Well, when we're practicing, 
he's perfect, but in the real 

845
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,520
world, he doesn't do it. 
And I always ask, are you doing 

846
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000
it differently in the real 
world? 

847
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,760
Do you have your treat pouch? 
Do you have or are you just 

848
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,880
assuming that he's going to, you
know, do these things. 

849
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,160
So you have to do, you have to 
be consistent. 

850
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Everybody working with the dog 
has to be consistent, but also 

851
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:10,040
set yourself up to succeed. 
And it's really easy to feel 

852
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,440
like you're not giving enough, 
especially if you have a problem

853
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,920
dog. 
If you have an aggressive dog, 

854
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,840
it is work. 
And you know, people bring home 

855
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,400
a pet and not expect a project, 
but sometimes they get a project

856
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,720
and those dogs do need extra 
help. 

857
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,360
And it can be very frustrating 
for them to have those dogs. 

858
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,880
It's hard to live with an 
aggressive dog. 

859
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,200
It really is because you can't 
get a pet sitter. 

860
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
You can't board it anywhere. 
You know, the vet can't handle 

861
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,040
them. 
The groomer can't handle them. 

862
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,000
It's it's, it's hard. 
It's really hard on those folks.

863
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:49,280
It causes a lot of stress. 
So I know you write a lot do and

864
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,600
you said you do Zoom calls with 
people. 

865
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Do you have any sort of like 
online training that people can 

866
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,520
go through or how do you feel 
about that? 

867
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,680
I love online training, but I 
have not developed them yet. 

868
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:07,440
They hopefully they're they're 
in here Jess, but I have not 

869
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,280
yet. 
I would love to that I do. 

870
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,960
I do webinars and I speak at 
conferences, but I do webinars 

871
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,280
and several of my webinars are 
available through through 

872
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,360
Raising Canine is the company, 
but some of those are geared 

873
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
towards trainers, but some of 
them are also geared towards 

874
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,240
towards pet parents. 
But I have not launched any of 

875
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,080
my own. 
I should, I really need to, but 

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,800
I have books and I have, you 
know, articles in, in magazines 

877
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,960
and things like that. 
But yeah, there's some people 

878
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,240
that don't have a reward based 
trainer in their hometown that 

879
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,160
they feel that they feel they 
can trust. 

880
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,040
And so they find me and I Zoom 
can be very, very productive, 

881
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,800
especially for aggression 
because the dog isn't going to 

882
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,640
react to me. 
I'm just a face on a computer, 

883
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,080
you know, as opposed to with 
some aggressive dogs. 

884
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,040
I'll have like 3 or 4 lessons 
for the dog will even let me 

885
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,840
interact with it, you know, 
depending on the level. 

886
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
But via computer I can coax the 
person into getting the results 

887
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,920
a lot faster sometimes. 
I I want you to talk about your 

888
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,800
books, but really quickly that 
because it just reminded me when

889
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,600
you were talking about that for 
whatever reason, this one dog 

890
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:20,360
that I would I trained a while 
back popped in my head and I 

891
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,920
realized we hadn't talked about 
this particular thing. 

892
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,480
This was a dog that resource 
guarded, but environmental 

893
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,680
management was not happening in 
this home. 

894
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,360
Like literally there were bones 
everywhere all over the house. 

895
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,360
And I'm like, of course, let's 
not do this, but I would love 

896
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,320
for you to to speak a little bit
on environmental management. 

897
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,200
Environmental management, it's 
like I talked about with you 

898
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,840
with with little Kimberly, we're
going to have to manage the 

899
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,440
environment with her while Mr. 
Goofus, let's be friends forever

900
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,240
is invading her space, right? 
Environmental management is just

901
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,400
as important as the training, 
sometimes even more so. 

902
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,240
So if you have a dog that is 
going to resource guard and you 

903
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,040
have little tasty morsels all 
over the house, you're just 

904
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,320
setting yourself up to fail. 
You're setting the dog up to 

905
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,920
fail. 
So management is very, very 

906
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,080
important. 
If you have, you know, a new 

907
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,600
puppy, you can't let it have the
one of an entire house 

908
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,560
unsupervised. 
It's going to be chaos. 

909
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,800
You have to manage that 
environment until the puppy has 

910
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
been trained to live in that 
environment. 

911
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,320
But it is critical. 
It is critical. 

912
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Sometimes people will stop 
there. 

913
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,280
You know, they manage the 
situation and that's OK if 

914
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,920
that's all they have the 
bandwidth for is I'm just going 

915
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,800
to keep these dogs separate for 
the rest of their lives. 

916
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,240
These dogs are attacking each 
other. 

917
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,680
I love them both. 
I'm not rehoming them. 

918
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,400
I'm committed. 
This one now lives in the East 

919
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Wing. 
You know, I don't judge that. 

920
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,320
If that is what is going to make
your heart happy, then that's 

921
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,080
fine. 
But in addition to behavior 

922
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
modification and training and 
people training, you know, it's 

923
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,600
kind of a holistic approach. 
There's a lot of aspects to it 

924
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,040
that you need to do. 
And working with the vet, you 

925
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,520
know, sometimes, you know, what 
is the diet of the dog? 

926
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,920
What is, what are the meds? 
It's on, You know, let's, let's,

927
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,680
let's all work together to help 
this dog. 

928
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Yeah. 
Is the dog in pain? 

929
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Is the dog in? 
Pain. 

930
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,240
Oh my gosh is the dog in pain? 
There's a lot of things that 

931
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,800
mask as behavior problems. 4 
month old golden retriever puppy

932
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,600
was putting the brakes on walks 
and he's so stubborn. 

933
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,200
He's so stubborn. 
I'm like, no, he's not stubborn.

934
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,520
People are stubborn. 
Golden retrievers not so much. 

935
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,440
I said. 
So first let's look. 

936
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,880
Is it a fear problem? 
Because that's me. 

937
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,640
That's the behavior person, 
right? 

938
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Because if a puppy is afraid on 
a walk, he will stop and 

939
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,400
sometimes it's something he 
hears or it's a physical 

940
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,800
problem. 
Sure enough, the four month old 

941
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,520
puppy had advanced hip dysplasia
of both hips and so he was in 

942
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,440
pain and so he'd get, you know, 
he was a golden retriever. 

943
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,720
So again, talk about endlessly 
optimistic. 

944
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,960
He's like this first block is 
great. 

945
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:18,080
This second block it third 
block, no, I can't, I can't. 

946
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,760
And it was it was pain and he 
had surgery and he ended up 

947
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,520
doing very well after his 
surgeries, but so young to have 

948
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,440
hip dysplasia. 
So if the dog is in pain, the 

949
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,840
behavior is affected. 
Yeah, yeah, I just, I mean, I 

950
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,400
think about so many things like 
that. 

951
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:42,800
Like I I have had people like 
the dog is chewing on the shoes.

952
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,200
OK. 
Where are you leaving your shoes

953
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:50,840
out for your dog to chew? 
Or I, I went into one lady's 

954
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
house one time and she was 
complaining about her dog 

955
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,680
constantly barking at the door 
and anybody walking by barking 

956
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,120
at the door and literally the 
bed that this dog slept in all 

957
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
day was right at the door. 
I'm like, how about we move the 

958
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,400
bed, do another work? 
And I mean, obviously that's not

959
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,240
going to fix the route of of any
of this, but like it's going to 

960
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,040
help us get. 
Where where we want to go, 

961
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,360
right? 
Well, plus, you don't want the 

962
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,760
dog practicing bad behavior, 
practicing behavior, because 

963
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,080
practice makes perfect. 
So if I have a dog that's 

964
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,240
reactive towards things that it 
sees out the window, we have to 

965
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,840
block the window because we're 
going to work on it. 

966
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,640
But you're not working 24/7. 
That's not possible. 

967
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,840
So the dog is barking at male 
people and FedEx and all this 

968
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,920
other stuff and, and kids and 
people walking by for the 24 1/2

969
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520
hours it has access to this. 
But your half hour train and 

970
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,240
you're going to work on it. 
You'll never see an end result 

971
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,840
of this that's happened. 
Yeah, yeah. 

972
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,800
So I won. 
I can't believe we're already 

973
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,720
almost at an hour. 
Thank you so much. 

974
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,360
I would love for you to talk a 
little bit about the and you 

975
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,400
have multiple books out if you 
could just kind of quickly go 

976
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,960
through them. 
But then maybe tell me, tell us 

977
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,520
where you would love love for 
somebody to start with one of 

978
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,640
your books or one of your 
articles or where, where should 

979
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
they start with all of the 
information you have? 

980
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,240
Sure, if you have a problem dog,
if you have a dog that is 

981
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:27,480
barking or not house trained or 
reactive or digging. 

982
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,760
The best one is my latest book, 
which is announced in its second

983
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,640
edition. 
That's the dog behavior problem 

984
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,200
solved and it's available 
wherever books are sold, 

985
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,400
including electronic versions. 
So that's the dog behavior 

986
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,320
problem solver is is the most 
recent. 

987
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,080
If you have you adopted a dog or
you have a new puppy and you 

988
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,680
just want to train it, you want 
to train it to come when called 

989
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,440
and walk nicely on the leash and
all the wonderful manners things

990
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,000
that you need. 
I recommend Ultimate Guide to 

991
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Dog Training and it is called 
the Ultimate Guide to Dog 

992
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,760
Training and it's going to be a 
really comprehensive, just good 

993
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,520
training background. 
There are a bunch of others too.

994
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,280
I've written 7, Some of them are
old. 

995
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,880
I didn't know that my original, 
my first one was your Out of 

996
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Control Puppy and I don't even 
know if it's in print anymore. 

997
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,600
You could probably find it on 
eBay. 

998
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
It's a really nice little short 
read if you want that. 

999
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,720
That was my very first one, but 
those are the two most recent 

1000
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:19,960
ones and that's where I would 
start. 

1001
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,040
And you can always go to my 
website todanderson.com, that's 

1002
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,200
TEOTI, because I do have an 
unusual name of so people will 

1003
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,240
mangle the spelling, but I'm the
only one. 

1004
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,240
So you'll find me on the 
Internet. 

1005
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,120
You can Google me and 800 things
will come up about, you know, 

1006
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,320
speaking engagements and things.
So you can find me there. 

1007
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
That's awesome. 
Well, I appreciate you so much. 

1008
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,800
Thank you for all of the 
knowledge that you brought to us

1009
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,280
today. 
And guys, please check out TO DS

1010
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,520
website. 
Of course, all of that will be 

1011
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,200
LinkedIn the show notes for you 
as well to just click and go. 

1012
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,360
And yeah, thank you again so 
much for being here. 

1013
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,600
Delight. 
You ask wonderful questions. 

1014
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Thank you. 
Thank you. 

1015
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,080
I appreciate that. 
And guys, please give your pets 

1016
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,520
some extra love from me and from
Tod this week, and I will talk 

1017
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:17,240
to you next week. 
Before you go, if today's 

1018
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,200
episode got you thinking about 
what's really going on beneath 

1019
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,120
the surface for your pet, don't 
forget to check out Wild 

1020
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Wellness pet.com. 
You'll find the Wild Wellness 

1021
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,520
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uncover hidden stressors, plus a

1022
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,800
curated apothecary of holistic 
remedies to support true root 

1023
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,800
cause healing. 
Visit wildwellnesspet.com to 

1024
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,360
start building a calmer, more 
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