1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,200 Welcome back pet parent. I am so excited for today's 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,960 episode. I have another incredible 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:14,240 veterinarian to bring his wealth of wisdom to you guys today, and 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,560 I actually got to meet him a couple of years ago at a HVMA. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:27,640 So it is my honor and pleasure to bring Doctor Bob Ulbricht to 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,880 you today. Thank you so much for being 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,240 here, Doctor Bob. Thank you, Jessica. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,840 It's great to be here. So I would love, I mean, we're, 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,760 we're going to get into it. We're going to talk about all 10 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,480 the things you have many decades of veterinary practice behind 11 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:43,880 you, which is incredible. So I know you have so much to 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,760 talk about. You use a lot of homeopathy and 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,480 I saw that you have some really amazing success using homeopathy 14 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:54,440 with cancer patients. But we're going to get into all 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,880 of that. What I would love to just start 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,680 off so people can kind of start to get to know you a little bit 17 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:03,800 is to just tell me a little bit about like your history, why you 18 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,080 became a veterinarian. And then we'll kind of get into 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,360 why you saw alternative modalities outside of the 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:17,120 allopathic veterinary like industrial complex. 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,000 I don't know the, the veterinary allopathic veterinary complex. 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,960 It's, it's, it's a thing. It's, it's a thing. 23 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,240 So we'll talk about that too. Yeah, I mean, I being a vet was 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,320 something, you know, since probably about the 7th grade or, 25 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:31,080 or something that I wanted to do. 26 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,920 And I just followed the path and did the usual things that one 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,120 does to get there and then and, and when I was in school, all 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,320 the alternative stuff. I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,400 just poo pooed. It was utterly ignored. 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,400 There was there was no mention that there was anything other 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,920 than this is the way you do things. 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,920 And as far as I knew, that was the way you do things. 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,560 So I, you know, the first actually, you know, several 34 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,360 years of, of my practice, four or five years, I, I practiced 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,360 conventionally. I had heard about, you know, 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,920 acupuncture when I was in school. 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,800 The, the head of our anaesthesia department, we heard Newsome 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,160 acupuncture. And if you kind of talk to him, 39 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,400 you know, and you know, just hush, hush, you know, hey, he 40 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,760 might teach you a little bit of something. 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,600 And there was a couple of my students or fellow classmates 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,960 rather that, you know, that did that. 43 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,360 And we're all like, oh, yeah, I might as well stick pins and 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,320 little dolls. You know, it's all voodoo. 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,080 And you know, that that was the milieu that I learned and grew 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,680 up in. And it it took practicing out in 47 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,560 the real world to kind of release realize that, you know, 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,800 conventional medicine is really great. 49 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,200 If you're hit by a truck and you need to be anesthetized and have 50 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,040 your legs set and blah, blah, blah, you know, acute disease, 51 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,880 great. But when it comes to chronic 52 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:57,800 disease, it really fails. Hypothyroidism, you can't cure 53 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,800 it. You can supply the symptoms with 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,400 external thyroid hormone or, you know, cancer or diabetes or any 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,480 of those chronic diseases. All you can do is you can't 56 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,520 really cure any of those things. You can just kind of palliate 57 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,200 the symptoms. And I got sick and tired of 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:13,480 that. I thought there had to be a 59 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,840 better way. I remember I was, I was working 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,480 at a clinic at one point, one of my patients who had just 61 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,400 diagnosed it as a cat had feline leukemia, wasn't doing well. 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,640 And basically there was wasn't really any hope for this cat 63 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:33,600 with conventional medicine. And I actually had the 64 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:40,840 euthanasia solution drawn up in the syringe when the the pet 65 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,800 owner said to me, isn't there some kind of, I don't know, 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,840 alternative medicine that we could try? 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,560 And I was like, I don't know, as it happened, my neighbor was a 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,080 naturopath. And I thought, oh, that's nice. 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,960 You know, that, you know, she does some, you know, that's 70 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,520 cute. It's not real medicine, but you 71 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,520 know, it's nice that she plays around with, you know, herbs and 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,680 things. And so I, I thought, well, you 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 know, I could ask my neighbor. I don't know, I didn't really 74 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,040 expect anything, but OK, let's give it a try. 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,120 Sure, why not? And I talked to her. 76 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,840 She suggested a few, some immune support, this and that. 77 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,160 And behold, the cat got better. I was like, OK, that wasn't 78 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 supposed to happen. And I started looking into it 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:26,120 more and more and started taking classes like for humans in, in 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,120 Chinese medicine and think, you know, continuing education 81 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:32,440 classes and stuff and adding a little of this and that. 82 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,120 And I thought it was breaking new ground. 83 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:36,920 And then I discovered there's a whole organization out there, 84 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,360 the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association, and then 85 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,560 other organizations like the Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy 86 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,760 and, you know, the chiropractic organizations and acupuncture 87 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,480 organizations, all supplying consuming education. 88 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,400 I didn't have to forge my own path. 89 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,360 It's already, you know, there hasn't been a lot of people 90 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,280 forging that are following that path. 91 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,600 We're still pretty few and far between, but yeah, there there 92 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,920 was other resources available. So that's where I then I started 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,880 taking, you know, certification course in veterinary homeopathy 94 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,560 and I got diplomat status in that. 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,560 And then chiropractic, a veterinary chiropractic. 96 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,320 It took a lot of other courses in Western herbs and and Chinese 97 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,560 herbs and nutrition and nutraceuticals and blah, blah, 98 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,520 blah, and built a practice over the years that I've never turned 99 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,160 back from. It's been really remarkable what 100 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,440 stepping out-of-the-box can do for you. 101 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,960 So first of all, I just want to say there is never in a million 102 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,640 years will I ever say anything negative about voodoo or hoodoo 103 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,480 or anything like that because there is. 104 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,360 Please do not hex me. You're right. 105 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,640 I believe in it enough that your hex will work. 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:06:00,480 Please do not do it. I, I, I, I don't know, I maybe I 107 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,080 want to believe in it. I don't know, but I will never 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:07,080 say anything negative about it And because I certainly fear 109 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,720 that somebody be like, oh really, let's see what's going 110 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,760 to happen. But and I. 111 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,000 Don't want when I say, oh, I thought it was voodoo that was 112 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,680 in my mindset back then, that anything outside was, you know, 113 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,360 weird elite, you know, magical thinking, blah, blah, blah. 114 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,480 And yeah, lo and behold, you know, there's actually a whole 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,440 lot of science between or behind the things that I do. 116 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,920 I mean, people say how can homeopathy work? 117 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,280 There's nothing there, blah, blah, blah. 118 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:43,400 Well, actually there is interesting things there, but 119 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,480 it's not physical things, it's vibrational things. 120 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,840 And if you look for it with the right way, you can see it. 121 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:55,360 So and, and, and people say, oh, well, I believe in, you know, 122 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,920 evidence based medicine. Well, that's really such an 123 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,680 insult because the implication is that anything that isn't 124 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,640 science has no evidence against it. 125 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,200 And the fact is people who are doing research and publishing in 126 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,160 the alternative journals are doing really probably better 127 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,680 science than the people doing conventional medicine because 128 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,240 they kind of have, you know, they feel like there's a higher 129 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 bar for them that, you know, they have to prove themselves 130 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,160 better. And so the science is actually 131 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,920 better. It's just ignored. 132 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,960 I mean, if you're willing, I would actually love to dive into 133 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,360 that a little bit because I keep saying, and I granted, I have 134 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,720 nowhere near I, I would never put myself in, in a class of a, 135 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,160 of a veterinarian. I am like humbled by what you 136 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,200 all do. And just even even conventional 137 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,600 allopathic veterinarians. I mean, you go through so much 138 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,400 schooling to learn so many different species of animals. 139 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,280 Like I am so thankful that there are so many incredible 140 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,120 veterinarians out there. It's just like you said, if my 141 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,440 dog is hit by a car, please, I'm, you know, want some pain 142 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,360 meds if you need to put them under anesthesia to do some 143 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,480 let's let's get them fixed. But and I especially looking at 144 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,240 the human side of things because I think that's where things 145 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,560 happen 1st and then it kind of trickles into into veterinary 146 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,320 medicine when we look at the human side of things. 147 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,520 And science has become a religion. 148 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,760 I don't, this is, this is craziness to me. 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,440 And I do, I mean, I, my bachelor's is in a science, it's 150 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,480 just not in a medical science. I have a bachelor's of science. 151 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,600 And so I learned what, you know, a science experiment should look 152 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,880 like. And you're kind of when you go 153 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,480 in, you're supposed to be trying to disprove yourself, whatever 154 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 your theory is. And I don't believe that's the 155 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,240 way most scientific studies are set up anymore. 156 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,160 I think, you know, a pharmaceutical company or 157 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,000 whoever that's funding it says this is what we have. 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,480 We need to figure out a made a way, a way to make it work. 159 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,680 What can you give me? And then, you know, data is 160 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,920 cherry picked and I don't know, it's, it's an insane percentage 161 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,080 since like the 1980s of studies that have been retracted or 162 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,800 corrected because the science was flawed. 163 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:14,160 So I would just love, I mean, go, go get on your soapbox if 164 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,920 you want. For sure. 165 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,600 Well, yeah, people one another thing that bugs me is when 166 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,080 people, you know, you talk about whatever, say the vaccine 167 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,840 questions and they say, oh, no, I believe in science. 168 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,360 Like, like science is not something you believe in. 169 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,000 That's called religion. Science is something you you 170 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,160 look at the facts. If the facts differ from your 171 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,960 your belief, you change your belief. 172 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,000 You don't change the facts. There was an old quote from 173 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,400 Doctor Who, the original Doctor Who back in the 60s, when Tom 174 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,360 Baker said something like as the Doctor, he said the very the the 175 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,000 very powerful and the very stupid of one thing in common. 176 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,080 They don't change their opinions to fit the facts. 177 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,920 They change the facts to fit their opinions or something like 178 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,720 that. I'm probably slightly misquoting 179 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,640 him, but but it's true. Yeah. 180 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,240 It's, you know, getting back to like the vaccines, you know, 181 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,960 wow, everyone has to be vaccinated and COVID. 182 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,000 So. So have any of these people 183 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,840 actually looked at some of the research that's come out in peer 184 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,840 reviewed Western medical scientific journals like The 185 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Lancet, the 20, the October of 20 21 Lancet or the January of 186 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,720 22 European of Journal of Epidemiology? 187 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:41,640 I mean, these are well respected scientific journals, peer 188 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,200 reviewed. And yet they, the, the articles, 189 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:51,880 the, the research published in them show that the COVID vaccine 190 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:58,880 was not lowering the antigen load, that was not reducing the 191 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,080 spread. It was not. 192 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,280 There was no difference between highly vaccinated countries and, 193 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,040 and poor and, and low vaccinated countries were highly vaccinated 194 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,680 counties and low vaccinated counties that it was not 195 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,640 spreading. And yet people aren't looking at 196 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,840 any of the science and they're just saying, oh, I believe in 197 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:19,480 science without looking at the data. 198 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,480 So that's just one example of, of course, many rainy roads we 199 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,920 could go down. Yeah, well, I just, I, I find it 200 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,000 to be so odd that and I, you know, I see this kind of thing 201 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,760 on social media all the time. It's like people have no problem 202 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,080 injecting themselves with something and not asking 203 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,000 questions, eating a Dorito and not looking at the ingredient 204 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:46,000 profile, but suggest that they take oil of oregano when they 205 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,280 have the flu and they're like, where is the scientific research 206 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,120 on? And I'm like, what in the world? 207 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,080 I just think that's what that's the society we live in. 208 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Kind of shows like where where we are as a society. 209 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:05,640 It shows how you know, have become so disconnected from 210 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:12,240 nature that we think we're so much more intelligent, more 211 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,360 powerful. And what you do, what you have 212 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:21,120 proven in your practice is that that's really not, in my 213 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,640 opinion, what you've proven is that that's that's just not the 214 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,800 case. So what are some of, and I know 215 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,760 you use a lot of homeopathy. What are some of the modalities 216 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,720 that you have used in your decades of practice that you're 217 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,440 like, this is pretty incredible guys. 218 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Like we really need to. We need to look at this more. 219 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Well, I mean, I mean, really realistically, the number one 220 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,400 modality, the number one thing that you can do is your diet. 221 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,520 You always start with that. I mean, there's just so much 222 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,200 getting off of processed food and people just, you know, they 223 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,840 ask well, which brand, which kibble is best or whatever. 224 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,800 None of them. Some are better than others, but 225 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,480 none of them are good. And it's just like if you did 226 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,800 nothing but ate canned goods all the time, how would your health 227 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,280 be as it was opposed to eating something fresh from the produce 228 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,160 department. And it's the same thing where 229 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,440 there are dogs and cats. You got to start with diet. 230 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,200 That's the number one, you know, nutritional medicine, the number 231 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,200 one thing. Some dear friends of mine, their 232 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,800 dog had lymphoma, developed lymphoma. 233 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,240 And we didn't, I mean, we started them off. 234 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,040 I gave them some immune support and support, You know, the main 235 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,480 thing we did, we, we switched the diet. 236 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Number one, get them on a raw food diet and ancestral diet. 237 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,080 What are wolves and coyotes eating? 238 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,760 And it's not opening cans and bags of things and it's not 239 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,800 sitting around the campfire roasting their rabbits. 240 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,480 They're eating it raw. So get back to what they're 241 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:44,680 doing. They did that, but they 242 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,320 unfortunately really couldn't afford to keep up with the 243 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,320 immune support and all the all the other things. 244 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,160 And they kind of fell back on jest diet. 245 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,400 That dog lived a year and a half on diet change alone. 246 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,560 I mean, think how well it would have done if we could have kept 247 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:03,880 up with some of the other things. 248 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,080 But I mean, diet alone can do, can fix so much, so much of our 249 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,760 of our pets and our health problems are because we're 250 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,560 eating the Doritos and all that junk we put into our bodies. 251 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:19,480 So I mean, that's pretty amazing, especially for lymphoma 252 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,480 because that is known. For life expectancy. 253 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Pretty quick, yeah. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. 254 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:33,520 And I too am on that bandwagon with we have to have to have to 255 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,160 fix the diet first and foremost, like you cannot out supplement a 256 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,120 bad diet. And I think we try. 257 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,360 I think a lot of us, we try. I know I get a lot of a lot of 258 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,120 clients that are like, they'll have a list this long of 259 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,240 supplements that they're giving their dog and they're good 260 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,960 supplements. Like they've done their research 261 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,680 and they're, they're really using good supplements, but 262 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,160 they're feeding a kibble. And I'm like, you know, I hate 263 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,160 to break it to you, but. It's like building a really good 264 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,040 house with no foundation. Right, yes. 265 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,080 So, OK, you started as a conventional veterinarian. 266 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,120 What? And you told me about the, the 267 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,640 cat with leukemia. Was there anything else that 268 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,640 maybe kind of shifted you, your mindset a little bit? 269 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,440 Was there are there any other stories that you have that you 270 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,760 were like, I really, I really need to expand my horizons here. 271 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Another anecdote. I, I mean, I just, I know that 272 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,920 the more I, the more I learned, the more I tried things, the 273 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,920 more I saw success, the more I realized that there was a whole 274 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,560 lot more out there than I ever was presented in vet school. 275 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,400 Another story isn't just like springing to mind at the moment, 276 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,640 but that's OK. I'll probably think of something 277 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,040 as we talk. That's OK, No problem. 278 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,240 So I noticed when I was looking at like the bio that you gave 279 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:59,240 me, you pretty quickly it looked like you you ran from 8:00-ish 280 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:03,880 years after vet school and then you went and you, you learned 281 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,440 homeopathy. So let's start with homeopathy. 282 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,600 Sure. I have to be honest, like, I 283 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,640 love the idea of homeopathy. I have tried. 284 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,000 I actually just signed up for another course with Doctor Will 285 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Falconer. Yeah. 286 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,960 And so, yeah, I it's like I understand it, but I don't 287 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,640 understand it, if that makes any sense. 288 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:33,360 Like, I know that there are different, different 289 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,040 methodologies with homeopathy from talking to to Doctor PJ 290 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,680 Bradfoot. And I know that I only know 291 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,960 enough to be dangerous because like, you have to, from what I 292 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,440 understand, at least the way Dr. Falconer teaches it is you have 293 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,760 to get like in the nitty gritty of every symptom. 294 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,880 And when those symptoms change, you got to do it all over again. 295 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,000 And so to me, I'm like, I would be pulling my hair out, but I 296 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,000 would love for you, you to give me like I'm in fifth grade, 297 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,440 explain homeopathy to me. So homeopathy, it works with the 298 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,720 symptoms. Conventional medicine works 299 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,040 against the symptoms. OK, it's a very anti. 300 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,240 If you got a fever, you take an anti pyretic. 301 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:20,720 If you're vomiting, you take a anti nausea medicine. 302 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,680 If you've got a whatever it is anti diarrhea, anti this, anti 303 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,880 that. Whereas homeopathy, the symptom 304 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,040 symptoms are like the how the, how the, if the body deals with 305 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,760 disease, right? So, and they're like the oil 306 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 light on your car. If the oil light comes on, you 307 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,440 can either add oil to the engine or cut the wires leading to the 308 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,120 light. Either way, the light goes off 309 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,960 and things like steroids and all these, you know, it's 310 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,960 suppressing the symptoms kind of, you know, medications are 311 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,960 just cutting the wires. You're not doing anything for 312 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,520 the body. So the, the, the symptoms, like 313 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,760 I say, they're how the body tries to, you know, if you've 314 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,080 got an infection, it raises the temperature to cook the 315 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,360 infection out of you. If you take something that 316 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:09,200 lowers your fever, your ability to fight the infection is 317 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,400 actually inhibited. You might feel better in the 318 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,960 moment, but it takes you longer to, to get over it. 319 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Or maybe you never get over it, depending on what, what you're 320 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,720 doing, what you're talking about. 321 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,360 So what homeopathy does, if you've got a fever, you give say 322 00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:27,920 something like belladonna, that if you were to eat it, eat a 323 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:36,200 belladonna, you know, in its pure form, aren't plant form, it 324 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,680 would actually make your your fever rise, your temperature 325 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,840 rise a bit. So it actually enhances your 326 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,640 symptoms temporarily and therefore thereby enhances your 327 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,640 body's ability to fight whatever it's trying to cure. 328 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,840 But then those remedies don't continue to because they're 329 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,440 diluted and potentized. They have a brief effect they 330 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,640 don't have. Like belladonna is poisonous 331 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,280 until you turn it into a homeopathic remedy and then it 332 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,840 you know can cure things that have a similar symptom. 333 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,560 Picture they say that large doses of anything kill, small 334 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,880 doses palliate and micro doses cure. 335 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,480 So homeopathy is the micro doses that give the body a little 336 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,080 nudge in that direction, kind of waking it up to say, oh, this is 337 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,400 what's going on. This is, you know, enhance the 338 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,320 the the body's innate ability to heal and then you sometimes get 339 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,400 a little aggravation from that, but then you get true healing 340 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,440 afterwards. How's that for a quick and 341 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,480 dirty? Experiment. 342 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Yeah. Well, and what I understand of 343 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,440 homeopathy is that the originator. 344 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,880 Yeah, Doctor Hahnemann. I don't know if it was him or 345 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,880 him and a bunch of other doctors. 346 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,480 They actually took these remedies to test them out to see 347 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,040 what they would be good for. I cannot imagine a doctor today 348 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,080 creating a pharmaceutical and doing that. 349 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,760 Right, right. So, yeah, the the state of 350 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,640 medicine 200 years ago when Doctor Hahnemann was, was 351 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,440 formulating his ideas about homeopathy. 352 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:21,240 I mean, there was, there was these things that, yeah, the 353 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:25,160 doctors of the day, well, when you have syphilis, you give them 354 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,920 mercury or whatever. And he was like, why? 355 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,960 Where's the peer reviewed study? Not that they really had those 356 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,800 and they, they just didn't have those that kind of thing in 357 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,320 those days, right? And so it was all kind of handed 358 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,920 down, called Doctor Smith said it worked and Doctor Smith got 359 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,480 it from Doctor Jones. And nobody really knows where 360 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,720 some of these things came from. So what Doctor Hahnemann said 361 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,880 was, well, let's find out what these things actually do when 362 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,600 you take Mercury or, or whatever it is. 363 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,120 But of course, Mercury's really kind of toxic or most of these 364 00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:00,480 things that they were giving were, were really toxic. 365 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,040 So he wanted to, you know, want to poison himself. 366 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:10,480 So he took Peruvian bark that was supposed to, it was supposed 367 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,000 to be good for I think malaria and he made it into a solution 368 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,320 whatever and then diluted it one to 10. 369 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,960 And he want he was a very, very meticulous man. 370 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,440 And so he he would make sure it was really stirred up really 371 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,240 well. So he would succus it like 100 372 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,320 times and just just, you know, kind of stumbled on this. 373 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,240 He, he was just his meticulousness. 374 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,120 There wasn't any thinking about, oh, there's something about 375 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,400 secussion that brings out the healing properties of, of, of 376 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,400 these remedies. He was just trying to stir 377 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,440 things up to dilute the, the remedies. 378 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,280 And then he, you know, that was still too toxic. 379 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,920 So he took what was left and he very, very meticulous. 380 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,360 He'll just do it at 1:00 to 10:00. 381 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,160 He was always, you know, very precise and everything. 382 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,440 He diluted that one to 10 and secused it and he got it down to 383 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,040 the point where it was not toxic anymore. 384 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,280 And then he took this substance and he found that he got sort of 385 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,240 this relapsing fever that, you know, would kind of come and go 386 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,360 just sort of like the way malaria works. 387 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,040 And you think, well, maybe there's a connection there. 388 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,360 And that's what got him sort of started in this whole idea of 389 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:16,240 these substances that produce these symptoms can cure ailments 390 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:22,280 that produce similar symptoms. And from there he that he tested 391 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,000 hundreds of remedies on himself and on volunteers. 392 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,920 And then, you know, eventually getting, you know, groups of 393 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,560 volunteers that would take these things and write down everything 394 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,520 that their, their thoughts, their feelings, their 395 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,320 sensations, how you know, their dreams, their, you know, 396 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,600 whatever all the whole totality of everything. 397 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,760 And then he looked for common denominators that was repeatable 398 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,680 throughout at least the majority of the of the testers. 399 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,200 They called them provers. It wasn't like proof isn't a 400 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,840 mathematical proof, but proving what you know, what, what does 401 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,160 the remedy do? And and then he wrote, you know, 402 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,320 all this, all these books, you know, all the symptoms that this 403 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,920 remedy or that remedy would do. And what you're talking about 404 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,160 from what what Doctor Falconer was telling you, That's how you 405 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,640 for, for especially for like deep chronic disease, you got to 406 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,320 look at that whole constellation of pictures and pick a remedy 407 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,880 that matches as closely as you can so that it will resonate as 408 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,960 closely to the individual as you can. 409 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,840 So it will have the deepest acting effect. 410 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,920 Now that's all constitutional prescribing. 411 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,400 That's that's for chronic disease, for really deep 412 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,360 diseases, There's a lot you can do with acute diseases. 413 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,480 You don't have to delve that deeply into it. 414 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,480 Probably the most commonly known homeopathic remedy is arnica. 415 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,480 It's the, of course, it's the best remedy for pirates. 416 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:48,960 Arnica. So arnica is good for trauma. 417 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,640 If you take the arnica plant, it's a beautiful yellow flower. 418 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,840 But if you were to grind it up or eat it or whatever, it would 419 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,240 have this kind of a toxic effect where you're, you're, you'd feel 420 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,880 kind of sore and bruised. And that's, you know, that's why 421 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,160 it helps with, with bruising and, you know, sprains and 422 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,840 strains and, and things like that. 423 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,120 And people with, you know, arnica cream on their sore 424 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,800 shoulder or take the arnica pellets when they, you know, 425 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,960 have a, you know, a sore back or whatever it is. 426 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:26,280 So arnica, you don't nearly need to know all the, the, all the 427 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,760 details about arnica. It's a pretty acute, not very 428 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,640 deep acting remedy, but it's so useful for so many acute 429 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,880 diseases, trauma type things. Well, Donna, like I was saying 430 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,880 for fevers that come on quickly and and your face is flushed and 431 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,360 pupils dilated. If you have that, you know, 432 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,840 there's a lot of a lot of different diseases, a lot of 433 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,640 different viruses that will cause that kind of a thing with 434 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,480 a fever and flushed face and all that. 435 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,760 So Belladon is often very good acute remedy for a lot of of 436 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880 these types of diseases. If there's probably, I don't 437 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:07,480 know, 20 or 30 remedies, cute remedies that if you knew those 438 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,720 and the kind of the, the basic things that they are called for, 439 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,080 you could treat quite a few things with homeopathy, maybe 440 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,800 not curing cancer or getting, you know, deep into, you know, 441 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:27,560 some of the, you know, really chronic diseases, deep acting or 442 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,400 you know, long term life term, lifelong things. 443 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,320 But there's a lot that you can do with acute prescribing. 444 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,920 It's a great way to start. And once you see how well the 445 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,560 acute stuff works, sure dive into some of the, you know, the 446 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,760 deeper stuff, learning more about some of the the antisoric 447 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,760 remedies and the anti miasmatic remedies and all that that that 448 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,200 you can delve into much deeper. So and I've heard it described 449 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,000 as like energetic because of how diluted it it is. 450 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040 And I think that's what turns a lot of people off to it like 451 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,040 because people don't again, we're back to that word, believe 452 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,040 in it. What do you do? 453 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,120 I don't have you come across patients like or, you know, pet 454 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,960 parents like that or. Sure. 455 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,840 I, I had one that was that said to me, yeah, I brought up 456 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,560 homeopathy. Yeah. 457 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,280 What's, what's the atomic number of that, you know, or something, 458 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,400 you know, is it was like, well, I don't know what's the atomic 459 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,360 number of gravity? There's no atomic number for 460 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,120 gravity, but you believe that gravity exists. 461 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,920 What's the atomic number for? You know, there's so much in 462 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,360 this world. Photons don't have an atomic 463 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,320 number, but we use laser light to, to, to treat diseases. 464 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280 One of the one of the many things that I do is a 465 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,040 therapeutic laser treatments that pulse infrared laser light 466 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000 at different frequencies that will stimulate nitric acid, 467 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,120 nitric oxide levels in the cells and ATP production and blah blah 468 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,760 blah. And it's all scientifically 469 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,880 proven. It's actually FDA approved. 470 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280 But people say God, what lays light there was, you know, 471 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,840 something. Anyway, I digress. 472 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040 Just because something doesn't have an atomic number doesn't 473 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,440 mean it isn't real. And even Doctor Hahnemann knew, 474 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,000 I mean, they didn't know about Avogadro's number and you know, 475 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,720 atoms and you know, whatever back in those days. 476 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600 But he still kind of knew that, boy, these things, if you dilute 477 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,520 something one to 10 or 1 to 112 times, there's really, there's 478 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,800 nothing left of the original substance. 479 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,640 And yet he found that the more he experimented with this and 480 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,040 the higher the potencies, the more repetitions of the dilution 481 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560 and secussion, dilution and secussion, he found that some of 482 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,080 these remedies, some of these things became more and more 483 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,440 powerful. Their healing, healing improved. 484 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,120 And yet it was more dilute. And he actually, he, he did some 485 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,960 other experiments to kind of look at what's going on with 486 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,040 that. He tried, maybe it's, is it, is 487 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,640 it the dilution? So he tried not secussing but 488 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,560 very carefully to lightly stirring and diluting and 489 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200 stirring and it didn't get that effect. 490 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,720 And then he took substances and you know, made a one like very 491 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,320 dilute whatever diluted it and sekus, sekus, sekus, sekus, 492 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,240 sekus, it didn't have that effect either. 493 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,400 It was the alternating dilution and sekussion that somehow 494 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600 brought, brought forth the healing properties of these 495 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,360 substances. So what was the original 496 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,000 question? I don't even know. 497 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680 I don't even know. I was just lost in the story, 498 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160 but that that it does make me think of, you know. 499 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,440 Oh yes, of bioenergetics. OK. 500 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Not to interrupt you, but no. No, no, you're good. 501 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,040 So yes, even Doctor Hahnemann knew that there, that there had 502 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,600 to be something more than the substance itself, that there was 503 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,040 something brought into the solution from the substance of 504 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,320 bioenergetic pattern, a fingerprint, if you will, of the 505 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,400 substance without the toxic effects of this substance. 506 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440 But there was still something vibrational there. 507 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:14,240 And there's, there's been some, some studies, I think MRI 508 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680 magnetic resonance imaging that you know, that shows, OK, there 509 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,080 is something, there is something there in a, in these two 510 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,040 substances that are chemically identical. 1 is just the sugar 511 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360 pills for the milk sugar that the substances are generally put 512 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,760 on and one is blank pellets and one is pellets with a remedy. 513 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,360 And sure enough they can tell that there's a difference there. 514 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,840 So there is something that goes on, it's just not chemical. 515 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840 But there's a lot of things that go on in our world that aren't 516 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600 chemical. So and it, and it, it does make 517 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,040 me think a little bit because I know it's easy for us to say 518 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,200 like, oh, humans ruin everything and we ruin a lot. 519 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,920 Don't get me wrong, we ruin a lot. 520 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,520 But, you know, when I think of like, like, like a zoo farm and 521 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240 cognosie or, you know, where animals can self select they're, 522 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320 they're probably not going to select an arnica plant or a 523 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,680 belladonna plant or something that is known to be toxic or is 524 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,760 going to like, upset the stomach or like. 525 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,240 But but that human intervention was actually a good thing for 526 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,640 once. Yeah. 527 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,640 I mean, animals do a deer will eat Mullen in the in the fall, 528 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,200 right? And it's good for the 529 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880 respiratory system and you know, helps, you know, for, you know, 530 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560 colds and flus and things like that. 531 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,040 And they will purposely seek that out during cold and flu 532 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040 season, cold and flu season, let me just say. 533 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120 So every year we have a candy holiday. 534 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,400 I was going to say yeah. Followed by a pie holiday, 535 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,960 followed by a cookie holiday, followed by an alcohol holiday. 536 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,200 And we call it flu season, right? 537 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,200 Anyway, animals will seek out medicinal plants. 538 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,920 They don't dilute and succustom. Whoops. 539 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,880 And hit my computer here. They don't dilute and succustom 540 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,520 and turn them into homeopathic remedies, but they certainly 541 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,600 seek out herbal remedies. Yeah, the dilution and secussion 542 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,000 was kind of, you know, stumbled upon, but, you know, a 543 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,320 remarkable way to turn some of these medicinal plants, which 544 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,280 some of them you had to be careful with, like digitalis 545 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,800 from the foxglove plant. It can kill you. 546 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,880 It can also save you if you've got heart disease, there's not a 547 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,080 lot of difference between the curing dose and the and the 548 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120 toxic dose. You know, there is some 549 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280 difference and if you're very careful with the prescribing. 550 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560 But that was one of the reasons was one of the things that 551 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,080 pharmaceutical companies kind of came about was because people 552 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480 would take, you know, different, different foxglove plants would 553 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,200 have different, you know, one that grew in the spring versus 554 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,720 the fall or on the hill versus in the valley or whatever. 555 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440 They might have different amounts of digit digit in their 556 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160 in their leaves. And so when people made this 557 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,760 remedy for heart disease plant, you know, herbal remedy, yeah, 558 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,320 some people died because it was too, too rich and there wasn't 559 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,600 really good ways of of kind of measuring, you know, how much is 560 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280 actually in here. So pharmacies came about to 561 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,320 standardize the dosing so that when we take digoxin, we know 562 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520 we're taking the right amount and not saying nothing, you 563 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,280 know, too toxic. But nature often has a way of 564 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,240 balancing things. Dandelion tincture is a really 565 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920 good diuretic, probably better than lasix. 566 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,320 Lasix is a good diuretic, but what? 567 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,960 But it also has a tendency to deplete potassium from the body. 568 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,840 Dandelion is naturally high in potassium. 569 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,960 So it comes with this natural balance. 570 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,560 And then what modern medicine does is, oh, where's the, what's 571 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,320 the, the active ingredient? Let's, let's get rid of all the 572 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,160 other stuff. This is the one active 573 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920 ingredient. And it doesn't work that way. 574 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Like CBD, for example, now that it's become generally legal. 575 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,880 The science has been just this avalanche of research coming out 576 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360 about all the different things, the whole endocannabinoid system 577 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,280 that we had no idea existed even like when I was in school. 578 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,000 But what science does is that, oh, there's a plant that has, 579 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040 has these medical properties. What's the active ingredient? 580 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,200 Oh, it must be CBD. It let's get rid of the THC and 581 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520 the blah, blah, blah, blah. And let's just, it's CBD. 582 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,680 And yes CBD is good, but it's better when you have the entire 583 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,000 complex of the 300 or so different cannabinoids and the 584 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840 all the other terpenes and blah blah blah all those things X 585 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,320 synergistically and and far modern pharmacology. 586 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,240 Taking this one thing out of a plant and calling it the 587 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880 curative substance is just very short sighted. 588 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,800 It is very short sighted, I agree. 589 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440 I've been talking a lot about that lately with colleagues and 590 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,199 trying to get more content out around that here very shortly. 591 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,159 So it, it, it is, it's very, in my opinion, too short, short 592 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,239 sighted of us. One of the other questions that 593 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,840 I wanted to ask you about homeopathy, I hear this a lot, 594 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,080 is that you, you can't hurt anything with it. 595 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,679 Is that true? Mostly it's let's let's say it's 596 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:31,719 difficult to do any harm because the, you know, it's diluted so 597 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,639 that the toxic properties are diminished. 598 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,400 You can complicate things with homeopathy if you don't know 599 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,560 what you're doing, but it's hard to like, you know, kill someone 600 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,159 with it or something. You know, if you, I'm going to 601 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440 stick some arsenicum in their drinking water and they're going 602 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320 to get this arsenic. Well, no, actually, it might 603 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,600 help cleanse arsenic from their bodies. 604 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,120 You can't. It would be hard. 605 00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,240 But if you're, yeah, if you're trying to cure and you're kind 606 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,240 of stumbling, you're trying this remedy in that rainbow, 607 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,200 sometimes this remedy kind of disrupts the case and 608 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000 complicates things. And then it makes it harder for 609 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840 the more the actual remedy to, you know, the the better remedy 610 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,040 to do its job. I. 611 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Don't know the best I can kind of come up with it. 612 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560 You can do some harm with it, but but not a lot of harm. 613 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,880 OK, gotcha. You mentioned also that you've 614 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,640 had a lot of success using homeopathy with different cancer 615 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,560 patients and I have not heard a whole lot about that specific 616 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,880 topic. So I'd love to hear. 617 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680 Sure. So I actually do a multi pronged 618 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,720 approach for cancer. I don't use just homeopathy. 619 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,880 If you can get the right constitutional remedy for that 620 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920 individual, I mean, if you get the right remedy, you can cure a 621 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,320 rainy day. It's remarkable. 622 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,320 It can do, but sometimes there are layers and you got to hit 623 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,440 the right remedy on the nail on the head every layer down and it 624 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,120 can be tricky. It can be done, but it can be 625 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160 tricky. So I do I do things that are a 626 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,920 little bit different for cancer. Well, first of all, I talked 627 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000 about earlier, always start with the diet, get them off a 628 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560 processed food. And there's certain veggies that 629 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,440 are particularly good for helping the body to fight 630 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,120 cancer. The cruciferous vegetables like 631 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,480 broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, they those 632 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,800 contain indals and quercetin and things that help the body to 633 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,280 fight cancer. So, you know, want to increase 634 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,600 those veggies. And also the veggies, anything 635 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,280 with that red, yellow, orange color that shows that it's high 636 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,720 in beta carotene, other carotenoids, Yeah, carrots and 637 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:43,320 squashes and sweet potatoes and red bell Peppers, things like 638 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,720 that. So you want a diet in an 639 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,680 unprocessed raw meat and veggie diet with particularly 640 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,760 emphasizing cruciferous and red, yellow type of vegetables. 641 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,360 So we always start with that and then we get them off of 642 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600 anything, any extraneous chemicals that they don't 643 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,520 absolutely need. They're on thyroid hormone and 644 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600 their thyroid is totally shot and they need the hormone. 645 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,880 OK, fine, keep them on the thyroid hormone, but you know, 646 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,720 try to take them off the heartworm preventative and the, 647 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,280 and probably the number one thing is don't vaccinate 648 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,080 anymore. A vaccinating an animal with 649 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,080 cancer can be like pouring gas on a fire. 650 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,320 And generally the vaccines last way longer than what everyone 651 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400 tells her they last. So they're absolutely fine. 652 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,640 And if you're concerned about it, run titers and see if they 653 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,320 still have the antibodies, which generally they do for the rest 654 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,560 of their life. So they don't need the vaccines. 655 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640 They could accelerate the growth of the cancer. 656 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,200 So you get them off of all those types of extraneous chemicals. 657 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000 And then I'd really try and build up their immune system 658 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,920 with, you know, transfer factor and medicinal mushrooms, 659 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,520 Myitaki, Shiitaki, Turkey tail mushrooms supporting the organ 660 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,280 that the cancer is in. So standard process makes a 661 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,800 whole slew of supplements, nutraceuticals that support each 662 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,520 organ. So if the, if it's in the liver, 663 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,960 you put them on liver support. If it's, if it's lymphoma or 664 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,600 whatever you, you use, you do a, a nutraceutical that supports 665 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,840 the kidneys or the thyroid or the whatever it is that the 666 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,800 cancer is in. And then you, well, there's, 667 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,680 there's things like turmeric I use with almost all my cancer 668 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840 cases now, turmeric, this is an interesting thing. 669 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,000 Turmeric is wonderful. It's got anti cancer, anti 670 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,760 aging, anti-inflammatory. It's great, great stuff. 671 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,120 It's only about 1% absorbable. It's nature's great practical 672 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,800 joke. Here's this great herb that's 673 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560 healing. It does all these things for you 674 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,040 and you can't have any, and the 1% that gets into you is good, 675 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,320 but it wouldn't be great to get more, and they do. 676 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,760 There are ways of getting more in there. 677 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,840 You can add black pepper and coconut oil and that'll get the 678 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,120 absorptability up to 3 or 4%, which is better than one, but 679 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,880 still really terrible. I found these folks in Germany 680 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840 that figured out a way to complex the curcumin from the 681 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480 turmeric with cyclodextrin, which is a ring of sugar type 682 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,320 molecules in a doughnut shape. And they stick the curcumin in 683 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,800 the doughnut hole and then the body looks at it. 684 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,440 In particular, cancer cells who love sugar look at it and say, 685 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,360 oh, sugar, I'll take that. Pulls it in, pulls the curcumin 686 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,640 right along with it, increases the absorptability 40 fold. 687 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,720 It just blows all of their turmeric supplements out of the 688 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,080 water. Wow. 689 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760 So I always put almost all my cancer cases on it. 690 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040 It's called cava cumin. I used to have to import it from 691 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640 Germany. I think there's someone in, I 692 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120 don't know, Minnesota or Michigan or someplace with an M 693 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,440 that imports it now that we don't have to go out of the 694 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480 country, but it's still difficult to find in this 695 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080 country. But I, you know, I get, you 696 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,760 know, 10 kilogram lots about once a year. 697 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,040 I go through a lot of it. I take it myself, honestly. 698 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,240 I take half a teaspoon and a glass of water every night. 699 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,000 Helps with aches and pains and it's a great supplement to take. 700 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,880 Oh, again, all my, almost all my cancer cases, I'll put them on 701 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840 that. And you know, and the mushrooms, 702 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,800 the immune support, there's some erybidic herbs like harataki or 703 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,400 I can't remember the scientific name, Terminalia turbula or 704 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,560 something like that anyway, that has good anti cancer properties. 705 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,680 And then of course CBD and I typically use the one from CBD 706 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,120 Dog Health who you know Angela produced or created that line of 707 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440 products which are excellent. I know I have. 708 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,240 I've actually started referring to it as full spectrum hemp 709 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:33,320 extract just to just not because it's easier to say it is not, 710 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,040 but because so many people here CBD and then they just go buy 711 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,120 the cheapest CBD they can find. And I'm like, no, that's not 712 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160 what I want. I want you to get a full 713 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,560 spectrum hemp extract. Right at the proper dosing too, 714 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,480 at the proper, you know, concentration. 715 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,720 So yeah, I mean, first of all, OK, it's a whole new unregulated 716 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,400 industry. And there was a paper that was 717 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,440 published that where they went out and they bought 100 718 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280 different brands or I don't know how many of CBD products and had 719 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,080 them third party tested and some ridiculously high number. 720 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,720 I can't remember what it was, I'm going to say 20. 721 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,720 It was, it may have even been more, but it was, it was a lot 722 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,880 of the brands that are out there. 723 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,760 What was on the label wasn't necessarily reflective of what 724 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,960 was in the bottle. So just because it says cannabis 725 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,200 or CBD or whatever, you, you want to make sure it's third 726 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,920 party tested and make sure that what they're claiming it is, is 727 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,240 actually there. And you're right, full spectrum. 728 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,880 I mean, there's a lot of, you know, just not what do you call 729 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,320 it, not when it's not full spectrum, broad spectrum, OK, 730 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120 broad spectrum is better than just CBD. 731 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,360 But no, you want full, full spectrum. 732 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,960 You want all of the stuff that that nature provided and you 733 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,360 want it to be organic and you want it to be, you know, 734 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,480 etcetera. And CBD, cannabis extract, 735 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:07,960 whatever you want to call it at what is it like 2 point, 2 TH 5 736 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,680 milligrams per kilogram is kind of like your typical dosing for 737 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,160 pain and anxiety and you know, things like that. 738 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,720 But if you're talking about seizures or cancer, you want 739 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,960 more like 2 1/2 to 5 milligrams per kilogram. 740 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,360 It's almost like, you know, 5 to 10 times the dosing that you 741 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,240 would use for other things. And so people going out and 742 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,320 buying a CBD product, it may be way too dilute for what you're 743 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,280 treating. It may not be full spectrum. 744 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,840 It may not even be CBD for that matter. 745 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040 And then you also you utilize homeopathy on top of that. 746 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,400 I do, I do. And if I can can work out a 747 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,640 constitutional remedy or a an obvious trigger. 748 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,080 It all came it all they all started downhill or, or the 749 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,160 tumor came up right after they received three different 750 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960 vaccines in one day and they had the strong reaction and then 751 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,800 right at the vaccine site, the you know, this, this tumor 752 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,960 develops. So, you know, something like 753 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,640 really obvious that OK, well then we definitely would start 754 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,600 with a, you know, vaccinosis remedy, Thuia or sulfur or, or 755 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000 Silicea, you know, would be the top three. 756 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,560 There's, there's others that could be appropriate, but 757 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560 typically it's one of those more often than not Thuya. 758 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600 So, you know, we'll often start with something like that. 759 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,480 And then if there's, if it's clear what the next layer is, 760 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,040 we'll we'll certainly stick with it. 761 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,560 A lot of times it's it's not clear cancer, it's a complex 762 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560 disease with, you know, different miasms, interplaying 763 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,240 and and stuff. And it, and it can be tricky to 764 00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,960 ferret that all out. So one thing that I've often 765 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,440 done, and this, this is not exactly classical homeopathy, 766 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,080 but there's a, a doctor from India, doctor Rama Krishnan, 767 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,040 whose methods that I have adopted for those cases where 768 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680 the constitutional remedies is not clear, he'll do a, an 769 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,280 alternating remedy. One week they're on an organ 770 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,200 specific remedy, next week they're on a cancer nosode and 771 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,440 it basically stimulates the body to be aware of this organ, be 772 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120 aware of cancer, be aware of this organ, eventually be aware 773 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,840 of cancer in this organ. And then so for example, let's 774 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,040 say bone cancer. The kind of the the classic one 775 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520 organ specific remedy is a remedy called Hekla lava. 776 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,760 It's actually a remedy made from lava from Mount Hekla volcano 777 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,800 somewhere and they somehow that happens to resonate with the 778 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,560 bones. And then we'll alternate that 779 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,360 usually with Carcinosin. So the cancer nosode made made a 780 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600 remedy made from a cancerous tumor. 781 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,200 So I'll, I'll alternate those two, you know, in one week 782 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,480 they're on one, one week on the other. 783 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,560 He also does a plussing method which I will sometimes adopt, 784 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,200 and the way we adapt it for animals we'll have is put a dose 785 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,760 of the remedy in a dropper bottle and dissolve it in 11 786 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120 squirts of water. And then you give a squirt. 787 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,920 You set the timer for 10 or 15 minutes, you succus the bottle a 788 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,840 couple of times and give another squirt, 10 or 15 minutes later, 789 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,280 succus and squirt 10 or 15 minutes later, succus, squirt. 790 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,680 You do that 10 times, you'll have one squirt left in the 791 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880 bottle. The next day you dilute what 792 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880 would that one squirt with 10 squirts of fresh water. 793 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,760 So you're diluting it one to 10 and secussing with each dose. 794 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520 And the next day you dilute that one squirt that's left in the 795 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,400 bottle again with 10 squirts of fresh water. 796 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440 So you're it's a one to 10 dilution every day with a lot of 797 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,840 secussion in between, which is of course how homeopathic 798 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,040 remedies are made, alternating dilution and secussion. 799 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,480 So you're constantly ramping up the potency of the remedy. 800 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,480 If you give the same potency of a remedy to a patient over and 801 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,360 over again, the body gets used to it very quickly and it has 802 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160 less and less of an effect. So this is a way of keeping them 803 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840 under the influence of the remedy longer for the whole 804 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000 week. And then at the end of the week 805 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000 you go to the second remedy with the second dropper bottle. 806 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,080 You go through the whole thing with a dilution and secussion. 807 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,440 And then week 3, you go back to the first dropper bottle with a 808 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,280 fresh dose of remedy and start over. 809 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,120 And we just, you know, do that all back and forth and we'll 810 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,800 sometimes see that they get better this week and little, you 811 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520 know, lower energy the next week and better and lower. 812 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,720 And if we're seeing that pattern, OK, the the remedy that 813 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,800 that were they are not doing so well, we need to change that 814 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,480 one. So it takes, you know, a lot of 815 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,000 observation of is there a consistent pattern to are they 816 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,320 are they just getting better and better? 817 00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,640 Great. That's what we'd love to see. 818 00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,920 But if it's they're getting worse with one remedy, then we 819 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,200 got to change remedies. So I, I want to talk to you 820 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,040 about the future of veterinary medicine, but before we do that, 821 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,520 I just want to, this may be totally dense of me, but as you 822 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,400 were talking, I just realized something that I don't know if I 823 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,560 realized this before. And so I wanted to say it in 824 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,280 case anybody listening is like still having a hard time 825 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,720 understanding homeopathy because I think this just made sense to 826 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,320 me. One of the things that I've 827 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,280 learned and that I tried to pass on to other people is that, you 828 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,640 know, we live in a very toxic world and we are constantly 829 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,000 bombarding the body with bad food, especially, you know, if, 830 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,760 if all the animals eating is older, processed diet, bad food 831 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,800 and chemicals and fragrances in the air and, you know, there's 832 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,720 smog outside and pesticides on the lawn. 833 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:39,520 And so one of the things I talked about is how overwhelmed 834 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,120 the immune system is and it doesn't know where to focus 835 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,320 because there's just too many things going on. 836 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,960 And so it might focus on one thing and it's not exactly what 837 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,160 you want it to be focusing on. And one of the things you said 838 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,960 through the course of this is that this energetic medicine, 839 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,040 homeopathic remedy is kind of going into the body saying this 840 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,720 is where you need to be focusing. 841 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,640 Yes. Does does? 842 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080 Is it my thought process? I don't know if that's this is 843 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,320 just my thought process of like trying to understand how this 844 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,720 works. Yeah, I mean, that's not true of 845 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,880 all homeopathic remedies. OK, OK. 846 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,320 Some treat the whole body, but there are some that have an 847 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,160 affinity for the nervous system or an affinity for the GI 848 00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,680 system. And those are the remedies that 849 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,360 I tend to use with the cancer treatments. 850 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,960 Gotcha. At least using the Rama 851 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,760 Christian method when I'm using more classical homeopathy, you 852 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120 don't necessarily look at that as as. 853 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,480 It's a it's. So the more classical is like 854 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840 the like treats like kind. Of like treats like, and, and 855 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,880 it's still like treats like we're still choosing a remedy. 856 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,560 I mean, there there's usually several remedies for, you know, 857 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,000 cancer in this organ or cancer in that organ. 858 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080 There's several that that could come up. 859 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:05,520 And so you look at the symptom picture of those three or four 860 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,480 or five different top remedies and you choose one that has the 861 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,200 similar type of discharge, the similar type of pain sensation, 862 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,440 you know, whatever it is. So it's, you know, it's not, 863 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440 it's not throwing classical homeopathy completely out the 864 00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,600 window. It's just a shortcut that is 865 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,600 often useful, especially for such a difficult disease to 866 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,960 treat. But I'm not saying it's the only 867 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,160 way to do it. And certainly, you know, the 868 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,080 ideal is to, you know, do the more classical prescribing and 869 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,200 hit each the nail on the head, correct each time. 870 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,400 It's not always possible to do that. 871 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,760 Gotcha. So one of the other things you 872 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,120 said is to stop vaccinating. And if you really need to 873 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,200 somebody is, you know, got a hair up their butt, then go 874 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,880 ahead and tie your test. Right. 875 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,680 Now I, I was not expecting to share the story, but since you 876 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,000 said that it came to mind. I recently moved and I took my 877 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,880 dog to a new veterinarian. And I believe me when I tell 878 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,440 you, like I called so many places. 879 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040 I did this when I moved the last time to, I called so many 880 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,440 veterinary offices and just to get like a feel of who they are, 881 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,760 what they're because. Because for me, a lot of times 882 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,560 the best case scenario is find a veterinarian who was open minded 883 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,320 enough to have conversations and agree to disagree. 884 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,680 And so I thought based on the conversation I had with this 885 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,720 person at the front desk, that this was the kind of clinic I 886 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,040 was going into, totally not the kind of clinic I was going into. 887 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,400 I spent the whole time with this veterinarian who got very 888 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,400 flustered by the way, I think because she didn't know how to 889 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,400 handle. I was just calm about everything 890 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,440 and said OK, thank you, I understand instead of like 891 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,440 arguing or crying or whatever. And she when we got because I 892 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,920 had submitted my dog's titer test to them before I even got 893 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,760 there. One of the things she said was 894 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,960 that she didn't believe and there was not science proving 895 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000 that titer test tell us anything. 896 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,200 And I'm like, OK, I mean, that was just one of like, I don't 897 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,440 know, 15 things that I was like, I'm not coming back here. 898 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,440 Especially when my raw fed dog had a high bun with a good SDMA 899 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,480 and she did not even ask me to do a urinalysis and decided that 900 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,280 she had kidney disease. But anyway, yeah. 901 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,960 Thank you for bringing that up. For people who are listening, 902 00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,440 the BUN or bun is it's naturally higher on dogs on a high protein 903 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,120 raw food diet. It does not mean that their 904 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,720 kidneys are failing. That's as a normal test result 905 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,640 for that diet. The SDMA is normal. 906 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,600 You do not have kidney failure. But I just yes, thank you for 907 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,200 for bringing that is another big sticking point that yeah, yeah. 908 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,320 Yeah, I mean, didn't even ask to do a urinalysis. 909 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,320 I was like, OK lady. So anyway, that brings me to the 910 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,800 future of veterinary medicine because I think like I was 911 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:13,400 saying, a lot of times the best case scenario is as open minded 912 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,160 as possible. Agree to disagree. 913 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,160 Use an allopathic veterinarian for your labs for Wellness 914 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,400 checks. And then I don't know what like 915 00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,720 find a holistic or integrated vet who does telemedicine, 916 00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,320 utilize holistic pet health coaches, you know, nutritionist, 917 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,800 all the things that are out there and available to you. 918 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,440 But one of the things that I had talked to you about previously 919 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,640 was the idea of a lot, a lot of the holistic veterinarians that 920 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,800 especially that attend like the AHVMA conferences are at that 921 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:59,440 age where they are looking at, I want to retire soon And there 922 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,440 aren't as many younger veterinarians coming in that are 923 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,640 like expressing a lot of interest in learning. 924 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640 But you guys have so much knowledge that really needs to 925 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,760 get passed on. So there is a crisis in 926 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,400 veterinary medicine. And I think if we could get your 927 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,880 knowledge and others like you out there, then maybe we 928 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,120 wouldn't. We have such the crisis we have. 929 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,920 But I don't know what are your thoughts around this. 930 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,040 Well, but it's complex. I mean, part of it is the 931 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,480 corporate takeover of veterinary medicine, holistic medicine, you 932 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,280 know, is not as profitable, at least on paper. 933 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560 Let's just go going back to the vaccine thing. 934 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,880 The markup on vaccines is, is ridiculous. 935 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:49,560 It's like, you know, 10 times what the vaccine costs, whereas 936 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,000 A tighter test, the cost of the lab work you're you're maybe 937 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,800 doubling it or whatever. So you're the costs like I make 938 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,720 about the same amount of money per jab, whether I'm jabbing 939 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,000 something in or pulling blood out. 940 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,760 I'm making about the same amount of money because the tighter 941 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,120 test is a little more expensive than the vaccine, although we're 942 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,240 only running the tighter test every three years. 943 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,200 So it actually in the long run saves you money. 944 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,560 But for the amount of time that I spend, I'm making the same 945 00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,080 amount of money. But on paper, my costs of 946 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,000 business costs are just way higher because laboratory costs 947 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,560 are much more expensive than the vaccine cost. 948 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,000 And so when they do practice analysis and run their their 949 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,960 formulas and their numbers, my practice doesn't look very 950 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,920 profitable. And even though I'm making, you 951 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,880 know, the same amount per time, but their formulas are just off 952 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,720 for my kind of practice. So corporate medicine doesn't 953 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,400 care about the patient, they care about the profit. 954 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,760 Profit driven medicine is destroying veterinary medicine. 955 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,960 You talk about veterinary medicine being in a crisis, it's 956 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,800 because so many of these practices are being bought up 957 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,400 and taken over by these big mega corporations whose interest is 958 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,360 in how can we maximize the amount of money that we can 959 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,720 extract out of each patient visit has nothing to do with 960 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,720 what's best for the patient. Now you can make more money that 961 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,800 way by pushing all those vaccines, pushing that extra 962 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120 whatever, you know, wormer medicine every month or the 963 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,640 whatever, you know, pushing, pushing all these things that 964 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,640 they don't need and may actually be harmful to do all the same 965 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,800 time or in conjunction with these other things, or maybe 966 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,360 just harmful in and of themselves. 967 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,960 But they're not looking at that. They're looking at how much 968 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,640 profit can we make? Now by making that extra profit, 969 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,600 they're able to to take something out of the new 970 00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,320 students and say, hey, we can give you this kind of salary 971 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,800 come to join our team. And so it's harder for small 972 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,920 practitioners, individual owned practices to make ends meet. 973 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,480 We got to we got to compete with them for staffing costs, and 974 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,360 it's great to be able to pay the staff more, but where's that 975 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,880 money coming from? It's coming from the health of 976 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,120 the animals. Ultimately their health goes 977 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,600 down so that the profits can go up so that they can pay the 978 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,120 staff that I then have to compete with. 979 00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,280 And it's a lot harder for me to stay in business that way that 980 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,840 that's one of the things that's destroying veterinary medicine. 981 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,640 I did just hire a wonderful vet. She's only been out for a few 982 00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,320 years. She did a externship rotation 983 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,800 through us when she was in school. 984 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,040 And she's come back to, to work for me and I'm teaching her all 985 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,320 these things. There are people, there are some 986 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,920 young people who are more interested in or in, in, in 987 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,600 practicing good medicine rather than filling their wallets. 988 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,000 And hopefully they'll be, you know, more and more, you know, 989 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,720 you know, who want to follow that path. 990 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,560 I'm doing what teaching I can. And when she eventually, 991 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,920 hopefully, maybe she'll take over the practice and I can 992 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,520 maybe put all the stuff that I've learned over these decades 993 00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,200 into a book. But yeah, there's been other 994 00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,960 people have written good books, Marty Goldstein and blanking out 995 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,920 of the some of the but there's a lot of books out there that are 996 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,920 good. But who's reading them? 997 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,520 Not the vets, generally speaking. 998 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,280 It's, it's the clients who like you hopefully are going to drive 999 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,360 business, you know, look for the vets who have, you know, who are 1000 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,680 open to these things. The more you go to those types 1001 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,880 of vets, the better their business is. 1002 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,320 The more they can stay in business, the more they can pass 1003 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,840 on this knowledge, the more they can compete with the allopathic 1004 00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,640 medicine. Go to theahvma.org. 1005 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,600 I think its.org and they'll, and they've got members now, just 1006 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,240 because you're a member of the AHVMA doesn't mean you're a good 1007 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,000 vet. But if you're looking for 1008 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,040 someone who practices the kind of medicine that I practice, 1009 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,080 that's a great place to start. There's other organizations as 1010 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:25,560 well, like the a, a, the AVHTHE avh.org, that's the Academy of 1011 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,240 Veterinary Homeopathy. Again, they have a, you know, 1012 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,080 find a practitioner section and they've got continuing education 1013 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,560 and, and, you know, annual conferences and all that. 1014 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,960 I tend to like that group. I mean, if you're looking for a 1015 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:44,720 really good holistic vet, I think it's my personal bias 1016 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,880 because my original certification was in homeopathy 1017 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,600 and I think there it's generally a really great group of 1018 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,640 veterinarians, but that's a great place to start if there's 1019 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,040 no one in your area. Sure. 1020 00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,160 The HVMA likely has someone and you know, any of the Ibis, you 1021 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,880 know, the Veterinary Acupuncture Society, there's a lot of groups 1022 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160 out there that have their websites that have their 1023 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,640 referral system. Those are great places to start. 1024 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,800 And yes, we're still kind of few and far between and hopefully 1025 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,880 there's someone in your area. But if not, yes, telemedicine is 1026 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,440 still an option until they take it away. 1027 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,440 Right, so I lost my train of thought. 1028 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,200 I just appreciate you coming on and bringing all of this 1029 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,880 knowledge with you and being so willing to share it with my 1030 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:40,200 audience. We are, we're small, but mighty, 1031 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,160 right? Like the the healthy pet space, 1032 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,240 in my opinion. Like we are growing, but we're 1033 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,080 still small in comparison to the big guys. 1034 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,440 And so, you know, I just do my best to bring on the the best 1035 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,400 education that I possibly can. And I appreciate that you were 1036 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,760 willing to come on and and be part of it. 1037 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,680 Yeah, I hope. I hope that everything goes well 1038 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,360 with your new hire, that she absorbs everything. 1039 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,560 And goes and gets her certifications like you did and 1040 01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,680 just continues that legacy because I, I mean, we need it so 1041 01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,240 badly. We are again, I go back to like 1042 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,120 human medicine because it's, it's this path that veterinary 1043 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120 medicine kind of follows. Human medicine, though it might 1044 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,120 be a lot quicker than it has been with AI coming into things. 1045 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,520 I don't know, You know, I, I saw something the the other day 1046 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,960 because in human medicine, women are just so, I mean, 1047 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,880 intentionally discriminated against for so long and still 1048 01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,160 really a disservice is being done to us every single day. 1049 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,280 But it was like at 13 years old, we put you on hormone therapy 1050 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840 and then you come in in your 20s because you can't get pregnant. 1051 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,960 And then it in your 40s, we put you on a different kind of 1052 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,800 hormone therapy. And then somewhere in there you 1053 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,920 may need some surgeries. And you know, we're going to 1054 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,240 offer you an ablation now, right? 1055 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,600 So like we have just, I feel like this is the trajectory of 1056 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,680 what we're doing to humans and our pets alike is just, it seems 1057 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,000 insidious to me. And I think I don't know how 1058 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,120 much intentionality there is, but it seems very intentional to 1059 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,560 sell you what's going to cause you the problems later on and 1060 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,920 then sell you the solutions for those problems. 1061 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,320 And I, I just, I feel like that's the same thing happening 1062 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,280 in veterinary medicine And so many veterinarians don't see it. 1063 01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,520 And that's my biggest, like, I think that's one of our biggest 1064 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:43,840 hurdles. It's like veterinarians have to 1065 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640 start seeing it like you did, right? 1066 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,400 Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know how intentional. 1067 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,240 I, I think it's, you know, more, more ignorance or being led by 1068 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,200 the nose from it may be intentional, say up the line 1069 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,200 from the, in the pharmaceutical companies, but they're giving 1070 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,600 continuing education and stuff to the vets who you know, 1071 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:11,120 though, they'll tell the vets, no, I, we don't know how long 1072 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,480 the vaccine lasts. We only, we know, as far as we 1073 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,120 know, it only lasts a year. So it's better to be safe than 1074 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,320 sorry and just just keep pumping those in year after year and the 1075 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,760 vets just kind of buy it. Oh, OK, I guess we'll just say, 1076 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,320 well, they say it was safe. OK, well, we'll just do that. 1077 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,120 And, you know, I think they're, they're following what they were 1078 01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160 taught and they're following what they think is right. 1079 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,240 Maybe somebody higher up did it all intentionally just to make 1080 01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,240 more money. Who knows, But I think most vets 1081 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,040 are. They have good intentions, they 1082 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,680 just haven't bothered to question some things that they 1083 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,680 were taught. Yeah, it's funny. 1084 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,240 I was literally this morning having that conversation with 1085 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,600 Doctor Ruth Roberts about how many people don't have critical 1086 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,320 thinking ability. Tell me about it. 1087 01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,800 And like how hard it is to teach those critical thinking 1088 01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,320 abilities. But anyway, again, thank you so 1089 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,080 much for being here for sharing your with at least a tiny little 1090 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,400 bit of your wisdom. And I hope, I hope to be seeing 1091 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000 you around soon. Is there anything else that 1092 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,360 maybe we didn't touch on that you're like, no, I wanted to say 1093 01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,840 this. Oh, I think we're good. 1094 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,840 It's been delightful being on your show. 1095 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840 And yeah, I appreciate you having me. 1096 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,480 And maybe I'll be back sometime with some other things to say. 1097 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,600 I don't know. I'd love that. 1098 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,320 Awesome. Thank you so much Doctor Bob and 1099 01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,440 you at home listening. Thank you so much for being 1100 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,120 here. Please give your pets some extra 1101 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,360 love from both me and Doctor Bob this week and I will talk to you 1102 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,160 next week.