1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,840 Well, hello, hello, hello. How are we doing today? 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:12,080 Instagram trying to I thought I was going to use my microphone 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:18,200 and Nope, if I use my microphone, then I can't hear 4 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,440 anything. And since Carol is joining us 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,960 today from my pet flatter Hello, hello. 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:32,040 OK, I'm going to invite you. It works. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,880 Instagram was working great yesterday so I have all my 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,760 fingers and toes crossed. Hello. 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,840 Hello. How are you? 10 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:44,600 Can you hear me? I can. 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,200 Yes, ma'am. My finger coming across or no? 12 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,160 Yeah, I can see you. OK, we did it. 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,920 We did. I know. 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,920 I'm so excited. I last week Instagram was giving 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,200 me so many problems, but so far this week I'm doing good. 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,519 So I'm going to like knock on all the wood and cross all the 17 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:09,160 fingers. So I guess I should press share 18 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,960 video, right? Should press. 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,400 I don't think you have to do anything. 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,200 It just says share this live video with others so they can 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,480 watch too. Oh, I mean you can if you I 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,080 don't think that will kick you out or anything. 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,920 So excited to have you guys join us today. 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:34,080 This is going to be so fun. I first of all, Carol, you are 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:40,680 the creator of the mine pet platter and I happen to own five 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,720 of them. So I have one right here, fuel 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,240 color. I, I want, I want you to tell 28 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,920 people a little bit. Thank you so much for letting us 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,360 know Paleo pet goods. Oh, you're in Texas too. 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,720 I'm in Texas. So the mine pet platter is it 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,520 was a long time in making the research that you and your 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,479 husband, your your late husband did on this, which is so 33 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,200 incredibly fascinating to me. I was literally just thinking 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,160 before I hit live, I was like, this is totally something that I 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 would expect to hear and learn about on like the Joe Rogan 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:25,400 podcast. I'd love to go with my daughters 37 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,920 in Austin, so maybe I'll get that set up. 38 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,480 So how did you What? What the research you were doing 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 kind of led you down this path. So tell me a little bit about. 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,760 That well, the inspiration, like most ideas come from from 41 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:52,240 personal experience and we had a little Havanese named Pip, who 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,360 was 14 lbs. But packed a punch. 43 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:04,240 He had really good attitude and so she used to eat from and and 44 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:10,640 she would eat her meals so fast in probably under a minute, 45 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:15,600 maybe a minute and 15 seconds. And then she would let most 46 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,880 horrendous belt, belt. But think of 500 LB football 47 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,720 player. I couldn't have people over for 48 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,240 dinner because they would have tears string down there. 49 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,040 That is just it was just so extreme. 50 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,560 So one day I was making her chicken breasts and there were 51 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,880 scraps and juices left on the cutting board. 52 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,520 And my daughter said, Mom, why don't you get those tip? 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:48,920 So I put it down. I put it down for and for the 54 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,520 next 15 minutes, my daughter and I sat there going, this isn't 55 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,080 our little Pip. What happened to her? 56 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,760 She was moving around, she was sniffing and it took her about 57 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,680 1520 minutes and she looked up at me like, mom, this is the 58 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,000 best thing that you could have done for me. 59 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,920 So, So when my husband came home, I had the most amazing 60 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,600 thing happened. He said Eureka. 61 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:23,360 So my background was in psychology and I for a very in 62 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,680 the food industry, understanding why people made the food 63 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:34,240 selection they did and what their actual feeding habits were 64 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,120 eating habits. And so I started down a journey 65 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:45,040 of saying, you know what? The closest living relative to 66 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,280 our dogs is the Gray wolf. Let's get into these instinctive 67 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:53,640 feeding behaviors. Let's see what's operating 68 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,840 there. So a whole new world emerged for 69 00:04:56,840 --> 00:04:59,960 us. We were talking to wildlife 70 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,800 specialists. I volunteer at zoo. 71 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:09,800 I have observed so many videos of wolves killing, prepping, 72 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,600 deconstructing it. And what I realized is we're 73 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,840 really not appreciating the wolf within our dog. 74 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,320 And even though we'd like to think of them as family members, 75 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:28,840 they are still very instinctive creatures and they just took an 76 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:33,200 evolution from the wolf in the wild feeding off carcasses 77 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,280 through domestication where they came closer to settlements and 78 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:42,720 were scatter fed to the point where we've domesticated them. 79 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,200 So we're the ones that change their feeding. 80 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,400 In college, we took them from a carcass all the way to a bowl, 81 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:59,240 and through the work that we did and studying how animals 82 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:04,560 actually feed, we sort of put them in a difficult position 83 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:08,000 because eating from a bowl is one of the most challenging 84 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,520 things. Yeah. 85 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,760 Oh goodness. Oh. 86 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,640 There you. Are so I just find this 87 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:25,040 absolutely fascinating from the idea of, you know, a wolf eating 88 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,320 off of a carcass and you know, a wolf, a coyote. 89 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,560 I felt like there are so many animals that eat this way. 90 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,240 Obviously wolves being the closest relatives to our dogs, 91 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:42,840 but even for our cats, like thinking about how lions and 92 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:45,040 tigers. So I think tigers are the 93 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:51,400 closest to to our domestic cat or what we consider our domestic 94 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,320 cats. And even some animals, I don't 95 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,600 remember exactly which ones. I don't remember if it's a tiger 96 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,880 or a Jaguar. Or state at the North African 97 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,680 and Wildcat about 30,000 years ago. 98 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,800 That's the closest ancestor. So and some of them will 99 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,520 actually take their food, their prey like up into trees. 100 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:23,160 When we think of on the feline side, which kind of gives us a 101 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,920 little bit of insight as to why so many of our cats like to eat 102 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,880 up. Hi, I think, but so before I 103 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:38,560 learned about the mind Pet platter, which was 2:00-ish a 104 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,800 little over two years ago, I think when I met you at Super 105 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Zoo for the first time, I, I did feed out of bowls sometimes, but 106 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:51,680 I had just recently transitioned to feeding off of like wooden 107 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,080 cutting boards. So that's what I had been doing 108 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,720 for like a little while when I met you and you were telling me 109 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,240 because I did have you on the podcast, but it was like forever 110 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,480 ago. Little things like this, like 111 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,920 licky mats and different like this is actually harmful to 112 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,920 their noses. Can you tell me a little bit 113 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,840 about like why that is? Because the whole point of the 114 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,640 pet platter was to look at feeding from a dog's 115 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,840 perspective, because everything that's sort of available in the 116 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,240 market these days is designed from a human perspective. 117 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,520 So what you just showed is one of those type man. 118 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,640 And what happens with those is it's designed to blow your pets 119 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,480 feeding by making sure the food gets caught in corners and 120 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,440 ridges and everything else. Well, here's the problem. 121 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,440 Dogs as well as cats see the world through their noses. 122 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,000 They have over 100 million cent sites. 123 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,240 So when you're feeding from a lick type man, they're smelling 124 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:11,800 the food, but they can't get it up because it's not designed for 125 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:17,080 them to get to the food, which is why everything pep platter is 126 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:25,600 designed to go downward. So is designed to go downward. 127 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:32,800 I, I apologize, is designed downward, so there's no 128 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,960 frustration with that at all. So you have to take into 129 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:42,560 consideration if they're smelling the food and then they 130 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:46,000 can't get to it, the tongues aren't designed to get to it. 131 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,240 This highly repetitive licking which leads to obsessive 132 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,120 compulsive behavior and then can even lead to aggressive 133 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,000 behavior. So I've heard from a lot of pet 134 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,360 parents who have reported back that they've actually they had 135 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,960 to take the leg mat away because the animal is trying to tear it 136 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,440 apart because they can't get to the food. 137 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:16,040 So what are they actually do to deconstruct it to get to that 138 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,880 food, which is very instinctive behavior. 139 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:27,040 The same thing with the the slow feeders that have projectiles 140 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,880 coming out. The problem with that is it hits 141 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,520 into their noses. This is for both cats and dogs. 142 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,400 And when you hit into the animal's nose, they have mucous 143 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:45,040 membrane on the inside of their nasal cavity, and that begins to 144 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 swell. And if food actually gets caught 145 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,600 up there trying to work around to get the food, it actually 146 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,480 dries the nasal cavity out. And then they can't smell. 147 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,840 And if they can't smell, they can't eat because they don't 148 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,600 know what's in front of them. So it's another case in point. 149 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,920 Somebody came up with the idea. Well, let's just put a 150 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,000 projectile there. You know, it's like us sitting 151 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,400 at our dinner table and lo and behold, if somebody was sitting 152 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,440 there with a spoon hitting us in the face, I don't think we'd be 153 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,680 very happy about that either. Very true, very true. 154 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,440 I did want to go through a couple of these comments. 155 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,840 So Paleo Pet Goods is saying they need to order some more 156 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:42,120 platters. Wendy 7051 loves your platters 157 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:49,960 and was also asking about so and I wanted to get to this, but 158 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,440 we'll just go ahead and talk about it. 159 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,640 The the materials that you're using to create these platters 160 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,840 is very different. Because I know for those of us 161 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,440 like myself who try to be very aware of the products we're 162 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:09,400 bringing into our home, I try to minimize plastics for various 163 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,800 reasons. One of which that Wendy brought 164 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,800 up is that it can, you know, it's porous. 165 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,560 So it's like absorbing all of the toxins, the chemicals from 166 00:12:18,560 --> 00:12:20,960 any cleaning products that we're using on it. 167 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,400 So I know you, you, you don't, this is not plastic. 168 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,880 So do you want to explain that a little bit? 169 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:33,240 It's a cellulose fiber composite which is actually non porous. 170 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,120 So especially if you feed raw, you don't have to worry about 171 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,840 that going in at all. And the cellulose fiber is 172 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,160 sustainable. So we use trees and when pine 173 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:54,320 trees are cut down, we replant 5 pint, 5 feet apart. 174 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,920 So get into sustainable forestry as well. 175 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:05,560 But another thing we do is third party independent to ensure that 176 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:11,600 it is absolutely non-toxic and there are no chemicals. 177 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,680 One of the things that we learned a lot about and here's 178 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:20,120 another benefit of our product, why our product is more 179 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:28,080 expensive, is it's 100% USA, all materials, all manufacturing or 180 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,920 manufacturing is in Northwest Johnson. 181 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,960 Everybody who manufacturers the product actually uses it. 182 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,760 They're my second family. But the reason for that is so 183 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,640 many different countries and manufacturers are coming in 184 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:51,160 right now and they're saying, well, for example, a lot of 185 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,600 balls are now being manufactured in India. 186 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:00,720 I don't think people realize that currently about 65 to 70% 187 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,280 of their stainless steel comes from China. 188 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:14,400 And that stain, that steel can be from toxic places, nuclear 189 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,320 processing, all those sorts of things. 190 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,280 So while you may think oh India and it's not China, the sourcing 191 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,920 of materials is so so critical and many. 192 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,840 I have a chemist friend who does analysis and was working on a 193 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,520 project at a bunch of different stainless steel bowls in from 194 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,320 China. Over 60% of them were 195 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,320 radioactive. So it's not to panic people, but 196 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,400 it's just to say sourcing of material be a product day that's 197 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:58,640 more expensive. It's really probably because the 198 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,520 sourcing of the material is in the is in the US and it it just 199 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,680 a lot more and manufacturing. I could manufacture for 1/4 of 200 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,520 the cost if I did this in China. So my husband and I always 201 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,920 believe we've asked for our pads and people are spending so much 202 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,160 money on food. You want to make sure that the 203 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,320 way you're serving is as well. So that's just a little 204 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,240 background. Oh, yeah, I know. 205 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,240 I mean, I think that's a lot of that is so important. 206 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,320 And I see Doctor Kosher joined us. 207 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,960 Do you use the Mind Pat platter, Dr. Kosher? 208 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,720 I'd love to know. And there were so many things 209 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,080 that you brought up there. I get so many e-mail 210 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,040 solicitations for, you know, promote our product, promote our 211 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:56,000 product, promote our product. And I have never, ever, ever 212 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:02,000 said yes to any stainless steel product because nine times out 213 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:09,360 of 10, it is a company in China. But I know that like there is so 214 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,720 much I don't know about stainless steel. 215 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,800 I tend to not even use it with my pets. 216 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,960 I use not that it you know, if you have a good quality 217 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:28,840 stainless steel food grade it made in the USA, you know that 218 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,760 that's wonderful and you know, hygienic and all the things. 219 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,520 But I tend to do even like, you know, porcelain and stuff for my 220 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,520 water dishes just because there's so much I don't know 221 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,480 about steel. And it's just one of those 222 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,920 things that I haven't gone down that rabbit hole. 223 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,320 And I don't feel comfortable promoting products like that 224 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,040 because I haven't gone down that rabbit hole. 225 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,680 But yeah, China and India I think are like the two most 226 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,600 polluted countries on Earth, if I, if I have that correct. 227 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,280 I I think that's the case. And I think, you know, if you 228 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,800 noticed on, on a lot of labels, they say where it's manufactured 229 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,520 there, there's not an obligation for manufacturers to do that. 230 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,760 But I think a sure sign of that if a product is really, really, 231 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,200 you know, that in all likelihood it's, it's not being 232 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:31,400 manufactured in the US at all. So I, I just the pep platter to 233 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,880 us is sort of the foundation of health eating. 234 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,200 If you're allowing your dog to eat the way that they're too, 235 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:44,160 then with all of these wonderful fruit food products that are 236 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,840 becoming available for pets today, it's how you feed and 237 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,920 what you feed coming together basically. 238 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,600 And that's a good match. That's a really good match. 239 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:58,880 It is. Hi, Diane, by the way, thank you 240 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:00,680 so much for jumping in and saying hi. 241 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,040 So. There's one other thing I'd like 242 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,360 to talk about and this this has become more and more apparent 243 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,600 because fast eating is such a huge problem today. 244 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,400 One of the most Oh, somebody's around. 245 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,960 She's like, yes, fast eating is a problem. 246 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:28,240 What is the most common problems and I I saw some statistic like 247 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,480 over half of pet parents talk to their vets about their pet 248 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,400 eating too fast and how to slow them down. 249 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,240 And the one good thing about the pet platter is that this 250 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,440 territory it's their own personal feeding territory, 251 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,800 which is why we call it the mine pet platter. 252 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,920 It's their personal territory. But by spreading the food around 253 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,000 into the rib pure and into the scoops, which resemble the ends 254 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,880 of bones, you're actually naturally slowing down the 255 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,880 feeding process, which actually improves digestion. 256 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,600 But you also get to a point of allowing better nutrient 257 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,880 absorption. Because when the pet is eating 258 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,320 so fast and either choking or developing food bloat or 259 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:26,360 whatever other problems emerge, you want to make sure that the 260 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,480 digestive process is a smooth flowing one. 261 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,000 And a lot of pets today are getting food bloat, not GDV, but 262 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,080 just building up all that air in their stomach and and causing a 263 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,480 real problem. So I think that's why there's so 264 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,680 many variations of slow feeders today that are poking jabbing 265 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,600 balls in the middle of the bowl, you know, all these other 266 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,240 things. Whereas if we give them that 267 00:19:55,240 --> 00:20:00,840 territory resembling more of a carcass, then you're letting 268 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,400 it's naturally slowing them down without any of those artificial 269 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,960 things taking place because we want to protect those. 270 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,280 It's it's one of my mantras now, I said. 271 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,640 Honor thy nose. Honor thy nose. 272 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,720 I love that. So how I, you've kind of talked 273 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,200 a little bit about this already, but like, how is this? 274 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,200 Because it to me does not look like a carcass, right? 275 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,440 But you've talked about the crevices and the, the Ridge 276 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,360 here, which I love to catch all the liquids because I am huge on 277 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,080 moisture. Like I don't care what it is 278 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,040 you're feeding. I always want more moisture. 279 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,600 And even if you're feeding like the best, you know, raw food 280 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,280 diet, I'm always adding moisture to it, whether that's like a 281 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,240 bone broth or a goat's milk or whatever. 282 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,360 So I love the the Ridge for that reason. 283 00:20:56,360 --> 00:21:00,640 And my dog really loves going in there and like looking all the 284 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,040 way around. So how how is can you be a 285 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 little bit more specific on how this is designed to be a little 286 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,200 bit more like carcass feeding? Number one is this is sort of 287 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:18,440 the what would be considered a stomach area, a prime area where 288 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:23,000 they deconstruct the carcasses. And the interesting thing is 289 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:29,040 that the pet parents can become involved in putting organ meat 290 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,760 and various aspects of what would be opened up in a carcass, 291 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,120 muscle meat and all the other things and pushing it in to 292 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:43,640 resemble the actual carcass. And we have some pet parents who 293 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:49,600 have sent great pictures of the creativity is absolutely 294 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,880 unbelievable. Then the Ridge is here. 295 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,720 This is to resemble sort of the area of the rib cage of the 296 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:02,280 where where they would go in and sort of lick or pull meat from. 297 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,840 And then the if it's here do resemble the ends of bones. 298 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,880 And part of why we have these multiple ones in is because we 299 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:19,480 wanted more licking in which releases the positive endorphins 300 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:25,600 and causes more relaxation and more rewarding behavior. 301 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,840 So this actually. But notice the size of the 302 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,920 divots on large and small are different. 303 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,840 They were actually designed to fit the size of the tongue of 304 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,240 the animal. OK. 305 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,160 So, so everything on the pet platter, even within the bridge, 306 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,640 there's no area where they cannot get to the food. 307 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,520 And that's why it never leaves a passive compulsive licking be 308 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,800 able to get to the aptitude. And believe me, most, most pet 309 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,760 parents say I can't believe they lick every single speck of food. 310 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:09,480 And it was designed especially that my late husband and I, when 311 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,360 we started this journey, because he was product design, we went 312 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,240 through about 13 different variations of this. 313 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,040 And I know it looks simple now, but where we started was quite 314 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,280 contorted to get to where you need to be. 315 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,480 But simplicity is the best way a good product comes about because 316 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,680 it's easy for the dog to maneuver. 317 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,880 The other thing that's important, and I'm sure some 318 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,640 people who have been here have heard me say this before, the 319 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,000 worst place you can feed your pet is in the corner of the 320 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,080 kitchen. And the reason for that is when 321 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:56,160 they kill their prey in the wild, they will stop and 322 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,160 actually circle the animal to make sure no other animal can 323 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,960 come and get it. And I've observed so many videos 324 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:12,320 and even at the zoo where sometimes we'll give the wolves 325 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,080 like a rabbit inside a paper bag or some sort of bag and they'll 326 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,040 play with it, roll in it. And because it's a prized 327 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:28,040 possession, but another wolf can come in and in under a second 328 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:35,840 that rabbit will be gone just so, so they, their core sensory 329 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,080 elements are designed to protect their prey. 330 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,600 And so by giving them control, the pep platter, they circle, 331 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,120 you never want to push them in a corner because their eyes are at 332 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,960 a 20° angle. They're hearing, they hear at 333 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,240 much higher frequency than we do and at much further distances. 334 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,440 So if they can't see periphery vision and they're hearing all 335 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,440 of these noises behind them, it becomes a highly anxious feeding 336 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,520 situation, which is why they'll dump food out of their bowl, 337 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,760 relocate it to another area. Something of that effect. 338 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,440 Did I? Oh, no, you're good. 339 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,920 You're good. It's so interesting because even 340 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:32,120 with my dog, who she is an only dog and she doesn't like, we 341 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:34,360 don't push her up against a wall. 342 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,000 But yes, Diane, it is for cats as well. 343 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,880 And I'm glad to hear that you're your cat is I'm sorry. 344 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,360 Diego's blood test came back better today. 345 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,440 So but like there is a wall kind of next to the area where she 346 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:57,760 eats and some of the items that we will put on her platter to 347 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,320 eat, she will grab them and take them somewhere else. 348 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,680 Like some of the more like she I mean loves chicken hearts. 349 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,800 So like that's her at one of her absolute favorite things. 350 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,400 She will grab it and take it somewhere else to eat at and I'm 351 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,320 wondering if it is because of that Wall is like right there. 352 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080 Like she's not facing it, but it's right. 353 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:27,040 There it could be because they typically position themselves in 354 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,240 a way that if a threatening situation comes about, they can 355 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,920 leap out and above the pup platter. 356 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:40,000 So the way they position the platter is most comfortable to 357 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,400 them to protect their people, but also if somebody comes in 358 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,920 threatening to them, they can get away. 359 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:52,600 So with a bowl, they don't have any decision to make. 360 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,680 They're stuck with what that position is. 361 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:01,400 So you're literally opening up their world where they have more 362 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,800 control. And in the wild, it is about 363 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,840 control. With animals, it's all about 364 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,000 control. Yeah, for sure. 365 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,600 One of the things, since we're talking about like an eating 366 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,840 experience, which I think this is definitely for our animals, 367 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,360 one of the things I like to do when it's like really nice 368 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,120 outside is I will literally take my dog into like the middle of 369 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,240 the backyard. So there's like nothing that was 370 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,400 just trees and grass and put her platter down and just let her 371 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,920 walk around and do her thing and eat and just enjoy being out in 372 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,440 nature. And like, that's one of my 373 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,480 favorite things to do with her. Great. 374 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,960 Well, another thing that's fun to do is especially with cat is 375 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:56,200 we've had different pet parents send in videos where they'll put 376 00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,320 a pet platter in a different room and the cat will be up on 377 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,840 the bookcase and then you see him and he'll come down, pounce 378 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,360 near the pet platter and then dash off. 379 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,360 And they play with it, you know, for hours. 380 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600 And it's almost like it's their prey in the wild. 381 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840 And, and we know how they love to play with their actual prey 382 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,680 when they kill it. It's, it's that same variation. 383 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240 It's it's their feeding territory. 384 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,600 And the other thing I should mention is the reason we have 385 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,040 different colors, I don't know if we've covered this before, is 386 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,760 that both cats and dogs have a different color spectrum than we 387 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,520 do. They have more rods than cones. 388 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:45,360 So they can actually see and differentiate between yellow, 389 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,960 blue and Reds come off more as a tan or a brown. 390 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,600 So if you have more than one pet, a cat and a dog, 2 cats or 391 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:01,000 whatever your your case may be, the platter the color you first 392 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,760 serve your pet on is the color they adopt on their own and 393 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,720 they'll respect the color of the other pet. 394 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,520 And it eliminates food stealing and food aggression as well. 395 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,480 So that was part of the reason we call it the pine pet platter. 396 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640 It really is their personal feeding territory. 397 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,880 And we even have pictures with dogs sleeping by it, visiting 398 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,160 it, all sorts of things. So they they do bond with it and 399 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,000 we help a lot of rescues as they transition and they take their 400 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,920 pet platter with them. So coming into a new home, it 401 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,680 reduces anxiety and gives them that familiarity. 402 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,120 So we try to work with a lot of rescues to allow them to to have 403 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,000 something to take with them into the new homes as well. 404 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,920 I love that because, yeah, it, it is definitely something that 405 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:07,440 as humans, like we especially in the US, so many of us, most of 406 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,440 us, we don't have that like food scarcity issue. 407 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,400 So we don't think about that with our pets, even though we 408 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,520 know that we know that their next meal and the meal after 409 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,240 that and the meal after that is coming. 410 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,480 They don't like this just part of being an animal that you 411 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240 don't ever know when your next meal is coming. 412 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Well, and. And that's one of the things 413 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,400 when, when people, you know, sometimes we have people say, 414 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,000 well, you know, dogs are domesticated, Cats are cats are, 415 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,520 are a unique breed because they will go into a feral existence 416 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,320 and survive just fine. And they're predatory hunters 417 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,640 and they do fine. But even with dogs, people often 418 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,640 say, well, my dog is really domesticated. 419 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,400 And I love bringing up the example of a case where a one 420 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,640 year old German Shepherd Husky mix fell off of a fishing boat 421 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,640 in Southern California and the owner didn't realize it. 422 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,000 And they did. They searched for 8 hours, could 423 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,440 not find the animal. Coast Guard was looking for it 424 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240 and they really thought that the dog had perished. 425 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,760 And then lo and behold, on some island that was not inhabited 426 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:35,560 more for cell sites or whatever, there was a maintenance crew out 427 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,520 there and all of a sudden this dog came charging at them and 428 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,920 jumped into the truck. Like I'm ready to go home now. 429 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,120 That dog survived 5 weeks and went through one of the worst 430 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:58,840 storms ever recorded in that area and was absolutely fine and 431 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:06,120 survived on rodents and on fish. So here is a domesticated dog. 432 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,960 Never existed wild at all and did just fine on his own. 433 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,160 So we we always have to remember to bring that in, that there's 434 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,520 that little bit of wild in them and I forgot where I was going 435 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,720 to go. What was I talking about? 436 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,080 No, it's, it's totally, I mean, we're just kind of going all 437 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:31,280 around anyway. So, well, Diane is asking. 438 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320 I don't know. Do you ship outside of the US? 439 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,360 We we will be in the UK. We are planning next year to do 440 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,880 that. But if you can't site, we'll be 441 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,680 able to direct you to somebody who can get it sent to you. 442 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,960 OK, because I know there are like other retailers I don't 443 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440 know like Doctor Judy because I think I actually bought all of 444 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,800 mine from Doctor Judy's website originally. 445 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,120 So I, I kind of want to just reiterate one thing that you 446 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:08,480 said, because we talked about it in two different areas, that 447 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:19,440 licking is a very calming behavior for animals, but you 448 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,200 don't want them licking to frustration. 449 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,840 Right. So there's that differentiation 450 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440 there between. There is. 451 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,040 Calm plus licking I just. Want I, I'm, I'm sure 452 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,280 everybody's experienced with some pet or or heard about this 453 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,800 where a dog or a cat will lick a part of their body to the point 454 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:48,360 where the fur is gone and it starts to irritate the flesh 455 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,320 actually. And also licking parts of 456 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,200 furniture. That is the sort of thing that 457 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,240 you get operation or there's a problem with the dog, that sort 458 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,960 of thing. But relaxed, evenly paced 459 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,159 licking does release positive endorphins and can have a very 460 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,719 calming act. One veterinarian that I with in 461 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:20,360 Chicago got a rescue dog who had such severe separation anxiety 462 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,480 that when she left, the dog would tear down the curtains, 463 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,239 the blinds, the screen, I mean just the would lose all control. 464 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:36,560 So she got AI told her get a nut, but spread it all across 465 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:41,239 the surface of the pet platter, put it in the middle room that 466 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,840 he usually, you know, tear us apart and I promise you when you 467 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,199 get everything will be OK. So she said you're going to have 468 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:53,199 to pay for new curtains if it doesn't work. 469 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,520 And I said that's a deal, you got it. 470 00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,240 So she came back three hours later as as she was leaving, the 471 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,120 dog was looking at her. A little panic was setting. 472 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,040 Came back, the nut butter was off the pet platter and the dog 473 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:15,400 was asleep by the. And so again, it's bonding with 474 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,720 her feeding territory. It's the act of licking. 475 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,800 So you know, there's, there's positive and negative to 476 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,160 everything in life. All behaviors have positive and 477 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,880 negative in psychology and principles you know basically 478 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,880 apply to pets as well. So just a couple of other 479 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600 things. One, I did want to bring up the 480 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,760 fact that, you know, we both have kind of talked a little bit 481 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,000 about the, you know, wonderful raw food diets, but this is good 482 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,720 for it doesn't matter what you're feeding. 483 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,720 Exactly. You can actually feed on this. 484 00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:59,840 There's no problem with that. On our website. 485 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,720 We try to help people who have all different feeding types and 486 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,600 try to help direct them to places to learn more and more 487 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,920 about the types of diets that will benefit our pets most. 488 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,520 It's great for canned, it's great for raw. 489 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:22,000 And the thing that I love too is we're big proponents of goat's 490 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,280 milk and bone broth. And so you can easily use it and 491 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,760 some pet parents will actually put little, they'll make little 492 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,680 pools where you can pour a little goat's milk or bone broth 493 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,200 in there, or you can even pour it on and fit. 494 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,840 And it's great during the summer or if you live in warmer 495 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:54,600 climates, it just acts like one big popsicle and dogs and cats 496 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,880 just love licking it. So you can put it in the 497 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,360 freezer. There's no problem with that at 498 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,000 all. It's good for for virtually 499 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,800 anything. And because it's non porous it 500 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,000 you can put it in the dishwasher. 501 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,520 There's no problem with that and hand cleaning, whatever you want 502 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,960 to do. But I think one of the other 503 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,400 things that we enjoy hearing about from our pet parents is 504 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,640 that they tell us that it helps them to be more creative and 505 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,560 kind of create more. So what we're trying to do with 506 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,200 a lot of the food companies today is for them to help 507 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,560 generate different ideas. And we're also asking 508 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,880 veterinarians to put your favorite menu together. 509 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,800 And we're sharing more and more of that with people because my 510 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,000 idea it's, it's a great way that you can start trying that at 511 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,520 home as well. I love that and I I love that it 512 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,880 doesn't matter what you feel that this can be beneficial. 513 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:06,320 So kind of selfishly, I would love to just hear a story or two 514 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,200 about animals that you have observed in the wild. 515 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,600 I want to hear like how they actually go about eating a 516 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:23,520 carcass is that you described. No, Well, it's how do I, I will 517 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,240 try to say this in a positive way. 518 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,800 One of the things that all wolves will do it it it sort of 519 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,680 depends on the size of the animal that they go after as 520 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,560 well. If they go after smaller animal 521 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,080 animals, that is not usually done in a pact, it'll be done on 522 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,080 their own and when they go into the carcass. 523 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,640 And by the way, you can go to zoos and they have days where 524 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:02,640 they show carcass feeding and and they will actually put a 525 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,800 whole animal out there, again depending on what's available 526 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,720 and you can watch the animal deconstruct. 527 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:19,560 It's usually more of a herd pack mentality and you can see them 528 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,960 ripping various parts of the animal down and if it's a very 529 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,480 large animal the they do go for the limbs but they know 530 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,600 instinctively they go at organ meat. 531 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,960 That is the prized possession. And I've even observed some 532 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:47,600 animals who will pull out the key organ parts and line it up 533 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:55,640 in the snow and you know, selectively eat or the other 534 00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,320 members of the pack will eat. It's fascinating. 535 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:06,760 Just like there's no single way of eating but the the organ meat 536 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,600 is nutrient dense so they instinctively know to go after 537 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,800 that first. And they do pull the muscle meat 538 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:25,600 from the bones, and they even eat the fur for fiber, which is 539 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:32,680 a big component of that. So really it is the skeleton is 540 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,320 literally left. They they use pretty much 541 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:42,040 everything that that's there. And depending on the animals, a 542 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:48,000 lot of times when they go after like Buffalo, those animals, it 543 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,600 takes five to six to seven hours to kill. 544 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:57,880 They they're not capable of killing a large animal just 545 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,640 simply by attacking, usually by wearing them out, getting them 546 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:10,720 to go into areas where they'll sink in the mud or walk. 547 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:17,880 And so they will circle, keep the animal off to the side away 548 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,560 from the rest of their herd and basically wear it down to a 549 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,240 point of exhaustion. And the way they usually do is 550 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:35,960 to go for the neck to break and suffocate. 551 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,960 But for larger animals, the wolf will also sometimes put their 552 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,080 mouth over the nose of the animal to basically facilitate 553 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,840 it passing. So it depends on, you know, 554 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,880 Africa versus in really cold weather out in Wyoming. 555 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:03,800 It it's different all the time, but Oregon meat goes first than 556 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,480 the meat. It's sort of like a hierarchy of 557 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,760 what is most, most prized. But also they know instinctively 558 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,680 what nutrients their body needs. And that's why you see them 559 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,560 going after different elements, 1st and 2nd. 560 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:25,680 And what's really large animals, if they can't eat it all, they 561 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,960 will go and bury the meat. And if they become hungry during 562 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,520 the winter months, they will go back to that. 563 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,360 Most likely the IT will be, you know, with maggots and things of 564 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,720 that sort, but they'll eat it. 5 So I'm sorry, did I? 565 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,040 No, I think it's fascinating. I like to go into too much 566 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,400 detail because I know we'll get a little. 567 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,960 You know, for a number of reasons because, you know, if we 568 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,800 really do pay attention, if that is part of the education of 569 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,560 feeding our animals, then I think it, you know, it just 570 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,600 makes so much more sense to play with them, take them on a walk, 571 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,120 do the thing, you know, a hike, whatever it is that you're doing 572 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,800 that activity with your dog for that day. 573 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,280 And then them because we are again, not just using a special 574 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,640 platter that's going to mimic a carcass, but we're also giving 575 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,120 them the full experience or as much as we can with, you know, 576 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,240 how we Live Today with getting them kind of worn out with that 577 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:41,760 and where they would normally be hunting their prey and then 578 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,640 eating. You brought up a real important 579 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,720 point. Basically they spent 95% of 580 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:56,440 their time in the wild hunting, tracking, killing, 581 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,920 deconstructing. Their whole life revolved around 582 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,800 that single event. And that's why the one thing I 583 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,000 tried to tell appearances feeding from a bowl. 584 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,120 We have taken a lifetime, the majority of the a day involved 585 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,760 in the meal time and reduced it to a couple of minutes. 586 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,200 And that's that's the tragedy when you feed from a bowl. 587 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:29,760 And the best analogy I can give is when you feed your your pet 588 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,320 from a bowl, it's like you're feeding yourself from a fast 589 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,240 food container. When you do that, you eat very 590 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,640 fast. You don't really appreciate what 591 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,280 you're eating and you're probably hungry 5 to 10 minutes 592 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:52,440 later, which is why most dogs will inhale their food, lay down 593 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,400 right by the bowl. It's over and we've taken the 594 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,080 excitement away. So I I think you're absolutely 595 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,920 right. Make sure they get enough 596 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,680 exercise. Make sure we make up for that 597 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,840 time where they would spend 10 to 12 hours a day, you know, 598 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,840 hunting a Buffalo and running and run up to 50 miles an hour. 599 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,720 I mean, they, they were incredible creatures. 600 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,120 And our dogs, even though they're smaller, they retain 601 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,360 those same things. They don't have a survival 602 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,480 instinct. If the dog feels threatened, 603 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,360 he's going to turn no matter how much you've domesticated them. 604 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,360 There's feast and famine. Some people will say my dog got 605 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,400 into a bag of dog food, a large one ate the whole thing. 606 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,480 How could they do that? Easter famine, Nature has 607 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,920 programmed them you better eat everything you can because you 608 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,360 don't know when your next meal is going to be. 609 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,840 And then the whole hunt, prey instinct. 610 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,840 I even though my little Havanese was only £14.00, if she saw a 611 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,840 rabbit she was off and running, you know, and nothing was going 612 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,520 to stop her, not even me. So there are three core 613 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,480 instincts that we can immediately identify with within 614 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,400 our own dogs that is associated with their ancestors. 615 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:26,160 Their jaws are smaller, their teeth are not exactly the same 616 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,440 as the Gray wolf, but they're still designed for meat eating 617 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,360 to tear things apart and, and to go after fairly large animals. 618 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:42,440 So when you look at the overall Physiology, the resemblance 619 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,520 between the Gray wolf and the dog is the same. 620 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,000 And for cats, cats are even more homogeneous. 621 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,360 Their genome is almost identical. 622 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,960 The major trait that is different is what is on their 623 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:04,760 coats. If it's striped, they came from 624 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:11,000 more grassland, if it's a solid color, it was more open terrain 625 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,240 and if it's spotted it, they were in the forest. 626 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,000 But their coats are the main difference for cats. 627 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,320 That's about it. And that's why they can go into 628 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,520 a feral existence almost instantaneously. 629 00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:35,320 So, so, so cats in particular, think about them being predatory 630 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040 animals. They haunted alone. 631 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:45,400 They're designed to be able, well, they're whiskers in 632 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,840 particular. And that's another benefit. 633 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,840 With the pet platter, you don't have whisker fatigue, and 634 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,120 whiskers are embedded three times deeper into their skin. 635 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,880 And so when things are pushing on to those whiskers, they feel 636 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,480 that deep down inside. And I've even talked to some pet 637 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,520 parents who say that when their pets were eating, they'd 638 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:18,320 actually see like, tears coming down because the overstimulation 639 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,080 was so severe it became painful to that cat. 640 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,320 All cats don't experience the same whisper fatigue. 641 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,880 It can be different across the board. 642 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,880 So. So by allowing them to let their 643 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,160 whiskers, you know, operate and they have proprioceptors at the 644 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,360 tips of their whispers that is always looking, gauging for prey 645 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,960 and threats. They're very sensitive. 646 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,440 It can look at air temperature, air current directions of wind, 647 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,760 all those certain things. So even for cats, you got to 648 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,280 look at your cat and say nature design do your sensory circuit 649 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,120 is designed for survival and to kill prey. 650 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:11,080 Yeah, and they do, they hunt like all day long. 651 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,400 They they will hunt mice or rabbit or birds or whatever. 652 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,480 Like literally they're in anytime they're awake. 653 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,480 They're. Hunting Well, cats. 654 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:31,480 Domestic cats basically kill 20% more prey than any other animal 655 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,720 if they are to be outdoors, 20% more. 656 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:43,920 Which and there was a really fascinating study, I forgot what 657 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:50,760 scientific journal it was in, but they allowed, they tested a 658 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,120 number of different foods with cats and they found out what 659 00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,600 food or it was chicken or salmon or or whatever the case was. 660 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:08,200 So they had the cat at in this maze like situation with a bowl 661 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,000 of that food. Then they would put a live mouse 662 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:19,480 at another part of the maze and the cat, they stop eating the 663 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:25,600 food, go and kill the mouse, bring the mouse back, put the 664 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,120 mouse next to the bowl and would continue eating its food then 665 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,160 and again. It's that predatory nature. 666 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,480 It's opportunistic hunting. If it's available, they're going 667 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,880 to go and kill it. But by golly, they brought it 668 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,360 back and continued on with their meal. 669 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,920 Fascinating creatures. It really they are my cats. 670 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,600 Will I? I I try to just let nature be 671 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,880 nature and not intervene as much as possible. 672 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,600 When I lived in Escondido, CA, I had never experienced scorpions 673 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,760 before, but my cats killed a ton of them. 674 00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,440 And here I'm in north of Austin right now. 675 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120 We get, I, I swear we have cricket season. 676 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,440 We, there are just so many crickets around and they will 677 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:23,480 get into my cat room and I will just see my cats like jumping up 678 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,880 to like these crickets are jumping and my cats are jumping 679 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,480 up and I'm like, you go right ahead. 680 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:38,200 Like, I am sorry Mr. Cricket. But apparently this was the This 681 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,760 is your destiny. That's fabulous. 682 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,320 That's fabulous. They're such interesting 683 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,600 creatures. They are, and I encourage 684 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,360 everybody to go to the zoo and observe them. 685 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,040 And you know, zookeepers love it when people are really 686 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,760 interested in learning more about these animals. 687 00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,920 And you know, they'll let you know when feeding times are 688 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,480 going to be, when they're going to do special events with them, 689 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,720 whatever. But go to your local zoos. 690 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:19,200 It's a wealth of information and I strongly recommend everybody 691 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,560 observing at least one carcass feeding. 692 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:28,640 It will give you a whole new appreciation on how they're 693 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,880 really programmed to survive in the wild. 694 00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:40,120 And if we just take more time to observe our dogs eating, I mean, 695 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,400 I think everybody first thing should observe how your dog or 696 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,720 cat eats for the next few meals. Just take some time. 697 00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,480 Look at what they're doing. Are they moving around? 698 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,240 Do they seem anxious? Are they enjoying their meal? 699 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,240 Because the one thing we can give back to them is that 700 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:03,480 enjoying that factor and allowing them to experience 701 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,680 things. And another factor I should 702 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:12,920 bring up, which a lot of people don't know is that dogs and cats 703 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:21,840 have very few taste buds. Cats have I think 473, dogs have 704 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:29,400 1700, we have 9000. We're driven by our taste buds. 705 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,200 So the problem is when you're putting food down, if you're 706 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:42,240 putting it in a bowl that is hiding all the different smells 707 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,040 that could be coming out, especially if you're doing raw 708 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,800 feeding and pudding, organ meat and everything else. 709 00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,120 Because the dog is the food is is held hostage in the bowl. 710 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,920 They can't really get to it by allowing them to sniff out the 711 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,640 food on the pep platter. That's the way our dogs taste 712 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:11,240 their food is through the sense of smell, and with cats in 713 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:15,760 particular, cats have a more sensitive nose than dogs do. 714 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:22,480 They have V1R receptors which help differentiate between 715 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,240 smells. They have 30, dogs have around 716 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,760 9, we have 3. Something like that. 717 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:36,000 It explains why cats like really aromatic foods because they're 718 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,800 able to taste the food basically. 719 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,160 And going back to honor thy nose, this is another reason. 720 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,720 If you want your dog and cat to enjoy their meal, make sure you 721 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:56,480 spread out the food and the different elements so they can 722 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,200 actually smell what's in front of them. 723 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,200 And importantly, they'll tell you what they like. 724 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,080 First, second and third. Yeah, food. 725 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,600 Selection. Yeah, I was a couple of years 726 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,880 ago, I think for Kim's birthday, my dog's birthday. 727 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,920 I did like a little like, like a charcuterie board almost, where 728 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,600 I put all these different things on. 729 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,800 It was very interesting to see what she went for and what she 730 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,160 didn't and like the order she went in it. 731 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,440 It was absolutely fascinating. I already knew, like she's not 732 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,080 big into vegetables or fruits or anything like that. 733 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:41,920 She wouldn't blueberries at all. She's like, no, yeah, I which, 734 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,600 you know, I try so many different things because I, the 735 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,680 dogs I had before her would eat blueberries, but only if I cut 736 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,480 them open. Like if I had to hand them one 737 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,560 hole. No, thank you. 738 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,600 But if I cut it open then OK, they were good. 739 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,120 Oh my. Goodness, it is. 740 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,120 It's really interesting, I think. 741 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:12,760 I mean, it's just something fun for you as a human to do, but 742 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,240 you gain so much insight into what your animal likes that you 743 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:22,200 can make their food choices moving forward like that much 744 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,440 more enjoyable for them. Right. 745 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,680 So where? Where can people find you? 746 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,480 Where can people get their hands on their own pet platters? 747 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:37,880 OK, we're we sell them online. Doctor Judy sells them. 748 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:46,040 We have a list of retailers also on website and you could also 749 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,400 get it directly from us. You can go to mine MINE pet 750 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:58,480 platter.com and order directly and we will have some exciting 751 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,120 news. We will be coming out with some 752 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:06,200 additional products and just to go we're you're going to be one 753 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:12,120 of the 1st that we're going to notify about those products and 754 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:21,680 it pertains to a water device as well as some other things. 755 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,240 So I'll just leave it there. We want it to be a big surprise. 756 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,480 I love that and I love surprises and I will post the link in my 757 00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,480 stories. We can just click and go over 758 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,720 and I think you told me that people can get a little extra 759 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,920 discount. Yes. 760 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,600 Yes. So is the coupon Jessica 761 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:50,360 something right? Jessica Penn and we know how 762 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,320 much information you bring to the pet world. 763 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,440 We so appreciate everything you do and all the time you invest 764 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,360 in that. So because Jessica is so special 765 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:08,360 to us, if you put in Jessica 10 at our checkout online, you'll 766 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,000 get 10% off. You're so sweet. 767 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,680 Thank you so much. I'll put that in my stories as 768 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,840 well, so people can just click and go over there and check it 769 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,400 out. I, I think it's, it's great. 770 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,640 I think it's great for dogs. I think it's great for cats. 771 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,160 I love like you gave us so much, so many tips, so much great 772 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,720 information. Especially like every animal 773 00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,280 having their own feeding territory. 774 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,400 That is so crucial, especially if you have you know, if you 775 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,920 have a multi pet household, you want all of your pets to know 776 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,000 that like they don't have to be fighting each other for food, 777 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,480 like that's a thing and. Remember, honor thy nose, right? 778 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,760 Honor thy nose. I love that. 779 00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,800 That needs to be like on AT shirt or something. 780 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,440 Honor thy nose. All right, Carol. 781 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:06,880 To do that. I appreciate everything that you 782 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,200 do, everything that you have done, all of the incredible 783 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,160 research that went into this product. 784 00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,000 I love all the behind the scenes of like the why of everything 785 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,720 so. Well, thank you. 786 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,960 I so appreciate being on your show and look forward to seeing 787 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,720 you soon. I'll be coming to Texas to visit 788 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760 my daughter, so we'll definitely. 789 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,520 I love that. All right guys, please check out 790 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,600 mine pet platter.com. I will put it in my stories. 791 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,720 Go follow Carol as well. And until next time. 792 00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,040 Thanks everybody.