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something better, a better way 
to raise healthier pets, welcome

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to the Pet Parenting Reset. 
If any of you are not familiar 

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with me, my name is Jessica. 
I am the founder of Wild 

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Wellness and the host of the Pet
Parenting Reset podcast. 

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And this is with Girls Gone Raw 
Pet Health who you guys love so 

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much. 
Every time she's on the pet 

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Parenting Reset I get so many 
DMS and messages about how much 

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y'all love Lauren So. 
That's good. 

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I know, right. 
OK, so we're kind of we've been 

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talking about this for a little 
while and I'm kind of glad we're

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doing almost like a year in wrap
up type type deal with this. 

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I wanted to originally I was 
like, OK, I love like your 

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stance on Purina that you did. 
You had like a little rant that 

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you did yeah, a little while 
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And then I thought let's just 
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around and talk about what the 
big pet food brands are doing 

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and what they have been doing in
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starting to see a pretty big 
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Yeah. 
I don't, I don't know, I have 

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lots of feelings about it. 
But then there's also been some 

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demonization of fresh food in 
the news lately that I thought 

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we could talk about. 
So we'll just kind of like do 

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like a year end wrap up on all 
things big pet food. 

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I'm like, how long you got? 
That's the form. 

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Like it's one of them, said 
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That rant was coming for like 
years, but I try not to be 

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controversial because like I 
don't want attention because I 

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said something controversial. 
Yeah, but it like had to be 

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said. 
It's I just the there's 

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something about Purina 
specifically that is so culty. 

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It is. 
I want to know people just like 

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we'll live, breathe and die for 
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And I'm like, they don't care 
about you. 

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I don't know. 
Yeah, well, tell me. 

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I mean, because I, I it's, it is
an interesting and different 

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thought process because you're 
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And I, I feel like, you know, 
we've said this about a lot of 

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different things, like it's, 
it's, I know this is going to 

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sound silly to compare it to, 
but it to me, it is so silly for

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somebody to like, I'll see 
somebody wearing like, you know,

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a team jersey and they talk 
about my team this and my team 

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that. 
And I'm like 1 like, you have no

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stake in this team. 
These people have no idea who 

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you are. 
Like it's fine to be a fan, but.

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I don't understand that and 
like, maybe that's why I don't 

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understand the the like the 
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You know, people are like, I 
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I have for content so many 
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Yes, Lauren is fostering. 
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fostering this giant beast and 
his brother who's chewing on a 

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treat that apparently the other 
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And then I have my Rottweiler 
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going to be singing Thank you 
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So hey Scarlett, this is I feel 
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the life of like a crazy 
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Yeah, is she? 
Amputation surgery too and she's

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in like a double cone cuz she or
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Scarlett, Joanne. 
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Feeling OK? 
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It's like, annoying because she 
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Oh my gosh, I'm going to call 
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It's OK. 
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understands. 
Dog like, OK, I think it's not 

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one of those where I showed up 
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a tuxedo top or something and 
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often. 
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understand like this loyalty to 
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that, because not only does that
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single mindedness, like I'm not 
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I like the brands that have 
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You know, there's a couple of 
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a long time. 
I've talked to your reps, I've 

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talked to your owners, I've 
looked at your formulas. 

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There's nothing that you've ever
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Obviously every business needs 
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Everybody, like every business, 
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We can't just ignore the fact 
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capitalistic society. 
But the motivation behind what's

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choosing the ingredients and 
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forward is, I think what's 
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get so heated about it. 
I could be making so much more 

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money if I had lower standards 
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You know what I mean? 
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work with small farms. 
I refuse to put in cheap 

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ingredients. 
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You know what I mean? 
I refuse to even get a Co Packer

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because I don't want somebody 
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treats. 
Purina to me is there's the 

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people that love Purina pro 
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Yeah, on the spectrum. 
This is what my whole rant was 

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about. 
If people didn't see it on the 

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spectrum, Purina pro plan could 
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Yeah, something else my dogs, 
but it could be worse. 

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It's it's a decent option for 
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problems with accessibility, 
even though we have chewy and we

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have deliveries now. 
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reason, but it could be worse. 
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effective, but to me, eating 
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putting money into like, the 
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what I'm saying? 
I don't have words right now 

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apparently, But yeah, I don't 
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Ahead, it's kind of like the the
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Like these people knew they were
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detrimental, but they were 
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So they kept pushing it and 
pushing it and pushing it and 

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pushing it and, you know, they 
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Comparatively, yeah, right. 
Like to go too deep into the 

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conspiracy of like, are they 
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get us more us or our dogs or 
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pharmaceutical system to get 
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because your dogs are sicker. 
I don't like to play into that. 

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I think that if that's the 
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as a society and as a species. 
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that, and I think the 
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certainly like that. 
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conspiracy, but I don't like to 
play into that one. 

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But what? 
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Yeah, even if that's not the 
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do know for a fact that they are
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it in pet food and they advocate
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that and to can and to find new 
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products in pet food like that. 
That's real like. 

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Scarlett, she's such a beautiful
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that too, because even in my 
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waste. 
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nutritious, but I'm essentially 
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create a business from it. 
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because that's product that 
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just sold for cents to a 
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So I I get that and like I like 
to devil's advocate on it. 

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So I can understand really 
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But Scarlett Jolene, she's going
to kill me. 

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My problem is I think it even 
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that are just die hard Purina, 
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Because whether you back the 
research OK or whatever they're 

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doing and they have some 
beneficial products they have 

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they're like veterinary diets 
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You are also backing kit and 
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I mean some of the most toxic 
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industry. 
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ingredients between them. 
So for puring the overall, let's

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see their products they have 
like their premium ones is your 

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Purina pro plan. 
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veterinary back performance 
science driven, which is wild to

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me. 
Higher protein than their budget

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lines still have 3. 
They're like mid tier Purina 

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one. 
It's natural. 

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It's got real meat first 
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And then you also have Purina 
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Moist and meaty is like toxic 
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And like Alpro Karina. 
Hey, that's your brothers. 

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Leave that alone. 
Go, go get yours. 

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They're driving me nuts. 
Everyone's in belly band right 

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now. 
This is Leo. 

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Leo. 
It's just how can you blame that

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you are health and science 
backed and then put out things 

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like propylene glycol, red 40 
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corn, corn syrup in a dye. 
There is no way that anybody 

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looked at that and said that's 
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And then the the justification 
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Low budget families need food 
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Yeah, but they don't have to 
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Just simplify it. 
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right? 
Which is which is meat and bone 

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meal is basically like the 
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It can be literally anything 
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Expired meat roadkill I make. 
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She's in a doughnut, like the 
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now go. 
This is why I should have gotten

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the crate ahead of time, but you
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I'm like, how can a veterinarian
rightfully back a brand that 

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puts things in that we know are 
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How can you call it nutrition 
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have no nutrition and are 
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You know, so I just. 
I mean, sadly think that opens 

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up a whole other can of worms 
because like I, I finally found 

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a veterinarian here because I, I
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Virginia. 
And I like, after many trial and

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errors, I've found a 
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with who is willing to just 
check the box and say, no, we're

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not going to ask you to do 
vaccines on your 16 year old 

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cats again, right? 
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And I had a conversation on the 
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I took my boyfriend's cats in to
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kitten needs to be neutered. 
So we had to do like the well 

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visit for that. 
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blood work results and we were 
talking about what the cat is 

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eating. 
And I'm like, I finally, you 

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know, she ate kibble for the 
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I've only known her this many 
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I've transitioned her to a wet 
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She's, she's act, she's acts 
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So she's actually eating the 
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because she acts like, you know,
nobody ever feeds her, which is 

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why I took her in to get her 
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place. 
And she's like, well, I just 

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would really recommend you still
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it cleans her teeth. 
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My God. 
I'm like, I, what am I supposed 

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to do with this? 
And but I think that kind of 

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again, like this is a whole 
bigger thing that like, I don't 

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think there's any one reason. 
I think it's, you know, these 

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are the people that are in front
of them the most. 

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These are the people that are 
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possibly free or discounted 
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These are the people that are, 
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baskets of cookies and these are
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Hard to not blame somebody for 
having, yeah, the ignorance 

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enough to believe that. 
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You're a medical doctor. 
I know that you're a whatever 

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veterinary medical doctor. 
I know that your schooling was 

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so hard. 
You have to be so incredibly 

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smart to get through that school
to even get through the prereqs.

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I barely I couldn't get through 
O chem right? 

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And that's why I ultimately it 
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to vet school because I'm just 
not a student. 

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You have to be so driven and 
intelligent and to just believe 

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something like that because a 
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whatever reason you believe it 
to me is just like peak silly 

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ignorance. 
Yeah, it's it's an excuse, but 

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it's not a good reason. 
It's not a good reason and and 

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I'm like that to me is like the 
easiest thing to discredit. 

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They don't even Chuck. 
Like this puppy just threw up an

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entire pile of entire kibbles. 
Not a single one of them was 

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chewed. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Does eating a Snickers bar clean
your teeth? 

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Yeah. 
It's just wild to me that people

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use that as a selling tactic. 
I'm like, say what you want 

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about science driven nutrition 
and whatever, if you want to use

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that as your reasons, those are 
good reasons. 

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If you believe science and 
studies and things like that, 

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you're a professional. 
I get it. 

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You might just not be 
holistically minded. 

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You might not have that 
inclination to look past the 

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surface level and that's not 
everybody has that and it's hard

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to blame against that. 
I grew up thinking holistically.

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So it's something that I have to
look at even with very small 

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things, things in our house, 
things in our cars, you know, 

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emotional subjects. 
It's my instinct to look down to

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the base. 
What's causing this? 

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How do we fix that? 
And then a lot of people, just 

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our surface level. 
But yeah, it's it's the 

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veterinarians that say ignorant 
things like that I think 

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disappoint me the most because 
you are the ultimate source of 

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information. 
And so then you have people on 

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the Internet, I'm assuming, 
calling out you. 

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I'm sure I get plenty. 
And they're like, Oh yeah, 

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'cause I'm going to take 
nutrition advice from somebody 

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who's not a vet. 
And I'm like girlfriend, I have 

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more if not the same nutrition 
experience than your 

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veterinarian. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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Well, well, and it was, it was 
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there are things that she's very
like open minded about, you 

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know, like I called because I 
knew I was going to have to get 

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my kitten a rabies vaccine to 
get him an appointment for a 

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neuter, right. 
And I'm like, OK, well, I want 

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to make sure I'm getting a 
thimerosal free vaccine. 

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And and they all the stock is 
that adjuvant free, thimerosal 

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free. 
Like that's all they have, which

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is not easy to come by in a 
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Like, and yeah, it was just, it 
was, it was like a gut punch 

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when I heard her say that. 
Exactly. 

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It's like you're on a really, 
really, really good date. 

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Everything's going great and 
then they say like something 

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really ignorant and you're like,
gosh, you just ruined 

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everything. 
You're. 

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Doing. 
So good, I know even even my 

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vet, we have a really good 
relationship and so we're at a 

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point where he's like, you know 
what that is, right? 

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You're good. 
You you have that at home. 

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And I'm like, yeah, but it's 
hard even to see the I get 

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reminders for like yearly 
vaccines and I'm like, I know 

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you don't believe in that. 
Like, I know that you have to 

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make money, but it's hard to see
that. 

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It ruins it a little bit for me.
But I don't know. 

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I know that clinics struggle to 
make money. 

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Not a single vet is out there. 
Maybe the surgeons that have 

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worked really hard to 
specialize, but not a single vet

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is out there rolling in the 
dough, you know, and I know it's

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a hard career. 
Like I said, I'd never, ever, 

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ever want to discredit vets, but
it's just so disappointing to 

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see some of them just blindly 
believe some of this stuff. 

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And yeah, I mean, it's so I have
I have a ingredient panels here,

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Krill plan, whatever you have 
chicken, poultry byproduct meal 

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not great and fish meal like 
that's their high quality one. 

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And then you have so that's 123 
meat products and then 12345678 

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and that 3 split corn products 
and then 3 split wheat products 

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too. 
So you know, it's even higher. 

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Yeah. 
And that's the high quality. 

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Yeah, for anybody listening who 
doesn't understand what that 

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means, Ingredients are often 
split into, say, corn. 

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I don't know, corn meal. 
And corn, whole brain corn, corn

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protein meal and corn germ meal 
and then a whole grain wheat, 

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wheat flour, wheat brand. 
So when you Add all of that 

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together, that might be 1/3 a 
third and a third. 

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But when you add that together, 
that's going to end up being 

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heavier than the meat products 
that are in there, especially 

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when your first ingredient is 
chicken, which we know is mostly

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water. 
So when they say real meat as a 

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first ingredient you take out, 
70% of that is water, you end up

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not actually having that much. 
And I think like being able to 

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read a label like that is such a
powerful tool. 

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Even if you don't have the 
knowledge or the skill set to 

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look deeper into things like 
that. 

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Being able to flip over a bag 
and kind of decode some of that 

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bull crap on the ingredient 
labels is the best. 

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And the most disappointing thing
of that, I think is that a lot 

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of these holistic brands, the 
ones that look like something 

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that we would like or approve 
of, they're just as bad. 

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I mean, I worked in, I worked 
for Champion, so Origin and 

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Akana before they sold, I worked
for them and I was a sales Rep 

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and they were OK on the market. 
It was a good one. 

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They were like the only really 
high protein one. 

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Farmina was just kind of coming 
in and they were doing a freeze 

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dried at the time. 
But I mean, you see, like all 

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the marketing rules and 
everything like that, it just, 

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it just is so disappointing 
because they're just praying on 

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consumers being simple. 
Yeah, liking cute pictures like 

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that series you've been doing 
with the treats. 

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They're just praying on 
people's. 

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Yeah. 
Reptilian brains, you see baby 

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and you want to buy it. 
You know what I mean? 

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It's. 
Yeah, it's how kittens get us. 

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Well, it was, it was me. 
Like I literally was just 

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walking through Trader Joe's and
I'm like, this packaging is so 

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cute. 
Let me look and see what's in 

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it, right? 
And I was like, Oh my gosh, let 

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me feed my dog sugar. 
Why would I do that? 

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I'm just wild. 
I mean literally in one of their

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diets. 
I'm trying to figure out which 

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one 123 The 4th ingredient in 
Moist and Meaty by Purina is 

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high fructose corn syrup. 
Corn syrup in a diet. 

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People feed their dogs every 
single day and they're like, why

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does my dog have diabetes? 
Yeah, is arguably worse than 

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even just sugar because of how 
it hijacks your, you know, 

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insulin response system. 
But, you know, I think at the 

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bottom line, kind of what you're
saying with Purina is just that 

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there's no ethics there. 
Yeah, I think I've just been 

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angry ranting, but that is it. 
I mean, it's, I don't know, 

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they, they, I think that they're
just like predatory. 

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I think it's a predatory 
company. 

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And I get it, you have 
shareholders. 

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Like I said, everybody needs to 
make money, but it's just a 

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really, really shitty thing to 
gamble with. 

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That's that's animals living 
like dying sooner and getting 

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horrible, terrible diseases 
potentially because of 

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malnutrition. 
Because you wanted to make a 

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quickbook. 
And whether or not you like 

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Purina Pro Plan or you like some
of their scientists or their 

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flashy marketing, they are OK 
with that. 

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They're OK with an animal eating
moist and meaty, or kit and 

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Kaboodle with its red dye, 
yellow Dagna blue dye, green 

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dye. 
They are OK with your animal 

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eating that and dying 
prematurely and that to me you 

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cannot trust the brand as a 
whole. 

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Yeah. 
Well, and to kind of take things

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a step further, and I know this 
is probably still pretty 

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controversial with a lot of 
people, I don't think we're ever

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going to know what happened. 
And I don't, I wholeheartedly 

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believe there would never be any
accountability for what happened

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at the beginning of 2024 with 
Purina. 

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You know, there were thousands 
of animals reported very, very 

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ill, many of them dying after 
opening new bags of Purina food 

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and all across the board like, 
and, and it it did kind of 

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trickle. 
There were some reports into 

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other brands as well, but it 
started with Purina and they had

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the largest numbers. 
And I just don't. 

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I mean, the FDA was like, 
there's nothing here. 

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Meanwhile, literally thousands 
of animals are dying, dead or 

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seriously ill. 
And some of them were euthanized

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because of how I'll they were. 
Yeah. 

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You know, and I don't think 
there's sadly, I don't, I don't 

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think we're ever going to know 
and I don't think anyone's ever 

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going to be held responsible for
it, which is. 

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Yeah, like I said, I like to 
play the game of devil's 

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advocate with myself to try to 
figure out like what other 

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people are thinking because I 
know as a fact that you and I 

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are examples of a very like 1 
sided niche, you know what I 

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mean? 
And I'm so lucky to be part of 

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it where I'm just, my entire 
feed for the most part is people

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that support at least on TikTok 
is brutal, OK. 

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But at least on Instagram and 
Facebook, I'm surrounded by 

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people that have the same 
message. 

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And I feel like whether or not 
it's profit driven, I feel like 

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the information is good. 
The information is driving good 

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habits and education. 
There's people that just see 

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their dogs as dogs or tools, and
there's people that just see 

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animals as profit. 
And yeah, I, I don't even know 

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where I was going with that, but
I, you know, I acknowledge the 

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fact that there's people that 
just don't care as much. 

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And I don't know, I lost, I 
thought on that. 

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You know, and I think, but I 
think the majority of there are 

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always outliers, but I think the
majority of people that do have 

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pets genuinely think they're 
doing right by their animals and

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if and when they do happen to 
learn something new. 

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Are. 
Willing to implement it as best 

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they can, it's just a matter of 
getting the information to them.

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When this is the last party 
break. 

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Sorry everybody, you're getting 
the process. 

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No, my gosh, I will say I'm not 
looking forward to getting 

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Camden neutered because I know 
I'm going to have to get a donut

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for him. 
He is. 

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Really lucky that with like 
every surgery and every 

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whatever, I haven't really had 
to do that like neuters, even 

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spades usually can put some 
underwear on, but this one's 

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hard because it's her foot. 
Yeah. 

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And he can lick it. 
She can reach it through 

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everything. 
The cone, she like she can get 

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out of it. 
I don't know how she's getting 

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out of the cone. 
So we're doing a double 

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doughnut. 
She's got a big one and then a 

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little one and she's but she 
already like ripped A stitch and

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it's been, it's been a little 
frustrating, but. 

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Yeah, like she's going to walk 
on it, so you can't. 

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I know that sound like. 
How do you even avoid that? 

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She's got her. 
She has to. 

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She's going to trip, you know? 
Yeah. 

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Anyway, back to the topic. 
Sorry, I'm chaos today. 

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He. 
I would agree. 

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I think the bulk of people at 
least want the best for their 

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dogs. 
It is disappointing because I 

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work with people a lot. 
I do a lot of markets and 

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especially at my Expos and 
stuff, you see a lot of 

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different demographics, diapers 
doing his job. 

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OK, but you see a lot of 
different demographics. 

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And everybody I think thinks 
that they're doing great. 

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They're like, yeah, my dog is 
doing so great on his on his 

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food. 
I'm like, Oh yeah, what do you 

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do? 
Dog chow? 

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Yeah. 
And then you have to come up 

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with a polite way to explain 
It's, it's almost like I, I, I 

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think of it like a game. 
I don't want to say it like make

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it a trivial, like I'm in a 
tricky kind of way, but it's 

449
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,040
almost like a game to try to 
figure out what talking points 

450
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,920
are going to not offend them, 
are going to hit what they care 

451
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,880
about and are going to actually 
encourage actionable change 

452
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,400
because it's hard. 
You could say something that 

453
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,680
offends somebody very quickly. 
I mean, people, if you're like, 

454
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,400
Oh, that is a terrible food, you
need to change that right away. 

455
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520
They're going to be like, like, 
screw you. 

456
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,920
You think I haven't? 
You think I'm killing my dog and

457
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080
like, no, So you have to say 
like, Oh, that's why did you 

458
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,240
choose that one? 
Because of like, is it your does

459
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,800
it just fit your budget really 
well? 

460
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Is it easy to get? 
And a lot of times it's just 

461
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,960
they, that's what they came from
the breeder on, which makes me 

462
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,280
want to punch a baby. 
That's what they're, they've 

463
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,920
always said, you know what I 
mean? 

464
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680
And a lot of times, if you can 
at least encourage them, like, 

465
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,280
oh, you have free range 
chickens, throw some chicken 

466
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,160
eggs on there. 
I would rather somebody do a 

467
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,440
kibble that they can afford and 
then add some fresh foods to it,

468
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,760
then go to a high end kibble 
that is pressing the budget to 

469
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,960
the limit. 
Because in the end, kibble is 

470
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,520
kibble. 
You're still getting ages, 

471
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,680
you're still getting carbs, 
you're still getting synthetic 

472
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000
nutrients with the exception of 
a lot like 2 kibbles out there. 

473
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
In the end, kibble is kibble. 
I'd rather somebody go on like 

474
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,280
one of my favorites to recommend
for people that want to try 

475
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,400
something fresh but like are 
pretty budget restricted. 

476
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,160
I like nutri source, nutri 
source, grain free. 

477
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,480
It could be so much worse. 
Yeah, you know, it could be a 

478
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
lot better, but it's a great 
starting point. 

479
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200
And then maybe that allows them 
to go buy Primal. 

480
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,400
And I'd rather you have half 
Nutri source and half Primal 

481
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,680
because your protein, your 
moisture, your fresh food 

482
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,360
ingredients are going through 
the roof. 

483
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,960
And I people hate on Primal all 
the time. 

484
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,880
It's so accessible to people. 
It is. 

485
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200
It's whole food balanced. 
Is it perfect? 

486
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,960
No, but it's a really, really 
great option. 

487
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840
It's relatively budget friendly.
You can get it almost anywhere 

488
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,960
now. 
And there is a lot of I think 

489
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,200
judgment and exclusivity in our 
little aggressive niche of the 

490
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600
industry. 
You know, and I'm like, listen, 

491
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,440
I'm not rolling in money. 
I'm lucky to have a lot of brand

492
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,320
partners that I get discounted 
food or maybe free products. 

493
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Otherwise I probably would just 
be stuck to buying whatever I 

494
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,000
could afford, you know? 
And it is important to remember 

495
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,840
that. 
And that sounds like I 

496
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,320
understand why we need to have a
low quality kibble because I'd 

497
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
rather a dog be eating something
than starving. 

498
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560
But there's so many people out 
there that could afford better 

499
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,920
that are feeding moist and meaty
because they think that it's. 

500
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Top notch. 
Yeah, yeah. 

501
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Or. 
Well. 

502
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,160
And OK, so you brought up 
synthetics, and that was another

503
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,880
point that I wanted to talk 
about today because in the news 

504
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,520
recently, of course, the 
headlines are always just there 

505
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680
to scare you, right? 
They're not actually giving you 

506
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,520
the story. 
The headlines were gently cooked

507
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,000
or fresh food is causing 
bladders. 

508
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,240
The what was it? 
Bladder stones? 

509
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Yes, bladder stones, Yeah. 
So the truth of the matter is 

510
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
that it is not a fresh food 
problem. 

511
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,680
It's a problem with foods that 
are using a particular synthetic

512
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,120
ingredient, which generally 
speaking, like obviously you 

513
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
just went through the whole 
thing about feeding what you can

514
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
afford and doing the best you 
can. 

515
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Ideally, we do want all whole 
food formulated diets, right? 

516
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,080
So like in if if, you know, we 
could just snap our fingers and 

517
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040
we lived in this utopia, like 
everybody would be feeding all 

518
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Whole Foods all the time, right,
with no synthetics. 

519
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
But it is. 
So there are a handful of brands

520
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,480
like the Farmer's Dog, Just Food
for Dogs, Nom Nom Oli, like 

521
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,680
they're out there and they have 
a bunch of synthetics in them 

522
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,920
and but they are like, I feel 
like we've had this argument 

523
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
before, or at least I know I 
have that. 

524
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,320
It's still not something I would
want to feed to my animal, but 

525
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
at least they're out there 
letting people know there's 

526
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360
another option other than that, 
you know, kibble. 

527
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Even even sometimes I'm grateful
for fresh pet. 

528
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
I say that very guardedly 
because I think that it's hot 

529
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,800
dog quality. 
Yeah. 

530
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720
But it's better than it could 
be. 

531
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
It at least. 
Yeah, it opens their mind. 

532
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Yeah, yeah. 
And yeah. 

533
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Synthetics, that's a hard one. 
There's so many raw food brands 

534
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,200
that I will not feed because 
they use those synthetics and 

535
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,520
yeah, like this calcium mobs 
like crystal. 

536
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,640
It's easy to slap zinc collate 
or whatever into the 

537
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,120
ingredients. 
It's but then next thing down 

538
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,240
the line, you know that we have 
this strange disease, these 

539
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200
strange crystals. 
You don't know how things are 

540
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,000
going to process for different 
dogs. 

541
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Yeah. 
It's also why I switch brands 

542
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,800
all the time. 
Yeah, so it's choline by 

543
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Tartrate. 
And Dr. Judy said that, you 

544
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
know, she still isn't super 
concerned with it unless you 

545
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
have a dog that is already prone
to making bladder stones. 

546
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320
And there are a lot of breeds 
that kind of are. 

547
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,080
So just knowing your breed of 
dog, which if we have mutts, 

548
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200
first of all, I think generally 
speaking, mutts tend to be 

549
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
healthier anyway. 
Like they're just hardier 

550
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760
animals. 
But like knowing if your dog has

551
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,200
a predisposition to something, 
regardless of what it is. 

552
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
We're just happened to be 
talking about about bladder 

553
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040
stones right now. 
Like is, is something we we do 

554
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,520
want to know. 
Like I, Kim is a mutt and I had,

555
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,640
you know, embark tested a number
of years ago and say what you 

556
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
want about all the tests out 
there, but to me, something is 

557
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,200
better than nothing. 
And I know that she has a 

558
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400
predisposition for IVDD. 
So, you know, I've got to do 

559
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,520
what I need to do to make sure 
that she stays lean. 

560
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,480
And, you know, I'm, I'm making 
sure that she's active and she's

561
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,160
not losing muscle mass and you 
know, all the things. 

562
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,120
I think that's the power of like
knowing your breeds in general. 

563
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400
And I, I like Embark for that 
reason. 

564
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,360
They're like, it's not just 
always for fun to know what kind

565
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
of mix your dog is, especially 
if you're getting from a puppy. 

566
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Like, OK, we know there's golden
retriever in there. 

567
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Let's just support the heart. 
That's why I have this monster. 

568
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,760
They are puppy mill releases and
he has a serious heart murmur as

569
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
well as entropion. 
So he has to go to a heart 

570
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,560
consult. 
And that's on like bone 

571
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,200
retrievers and heart disease are
like one in the same. 

572
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
And so if you know that you have
that dog, it doesn't hurt to 

573
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360
just support it from the 
beginning. 

574
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Yeah. 
So, yeah, I like that. 

575
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,760
That point that's don't wait for
something to go wrong to support

576
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,160
it. 
Know your breed. 

577
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Know your dog. 
This goofball is cracking me up.

578
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,240
But also, why pay raw food 
prices for synthetic nutrients, 

579
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,920
right? 
Like that's kind of a sticking 

580
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
point for me, especially with my
clients. 

581
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,720
I'm like, but you're paying the 
same or roughly the same amount 

582
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,920
as this other brand that I would
much rather you feed your dog. 

583
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,280
So my, my point with fresh food,
that is I think a complicated 

584
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,440
one. 
What do you do? 

585
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Don't lick the microphone. 
I'm cautious when recommending 

586
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
things because like, I don't 
want somebody to just jump in 

587
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,560
and make their own food. 
It's going to be cost effective,

588
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,440
but it'll either A, you'll do it
right and you'll burn out. 

589
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,840
B, you could do it right and you
find a great groove with it 

590
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,400
because you have good resources 
and the time to do it. 

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,239
For me, it burnt me out. 
I was panicking. 

592
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,760
I'm like, I'm doing the wrong 
vitamin D. 

593
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,199
I'm going to like give my dog 
toxicity. 

594
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
I was freaking out. 
Or you're going to go on the 

595
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,159
Internet, you're going to see 
somebody like, Oh my God, this 

596
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,719
Canadian Labrador breeder or 
something that I was finding. 

597
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
And he's like, hey, come with us
to make 100 lbs of dog food. 

598
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,760
And you just ground like 100 lbs
of beef, cracked like 4 eggs in 

599
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360
there and like a bag of 
blueberries. 

600
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360
And I was like, do you do any 
sort of premix with that? 

601
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
And he's like, no, no, we just, 
yeah, this is I'm like, do any, 

602
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,000
do you do any organ meats? 
And I think I sent that in the 

603
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,720
group because they just like 
made me crazy. 

604
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,320
People are going to look at 
this, they're going to see a 

605
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,480
sporting dog breeder, these 
healthy muscular dogs. 

606
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,840
And while I'm not saying that 
that's unhealthy, I'm saying 

607
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,800
that that is dangerous for the 
long term. 

608
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,040
So I made sure to put on there 
like, yeah, these are all 

609
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,600
really, really great 
ingredients. 

610
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Just be aware that there are 
deficiencies that won't manifest

611
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
right away that could make your 
dog live a lot shorter life or 

612
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,040
get sicker down the road. 
Like the DCM thing. 

613
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,640
You can support the heart 
naturally. 

614
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,760
It's it's the deficiencies of 
feeding something that's not 

615
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,960
especially synthetics that's not
processing right all the time 

616
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,200
for their whole life. 
Eventually, Oh my gosh, this 

617
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,760
goofus keeps falling off the 
couch. 

618
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Eventually it's going to add up 
and then you'll be, then you'll 

619
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,800
be treating the symptoms, you 
know what I mean? 

620
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Then it's too late often to go 
down the line versus I don't 

621
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,920
know, I just don't trust any 
food to cover all the bases. 

622
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Even these foods that I love, I 
rotate constantly. 

623
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Maybe I'll get a bag of Primal 
for my cats. 

624
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,000
I do vital essentials, I do 
Oma's pride, their whole prey 

625
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,880
grinds. 
I do small batch. 

626
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,080
I'll be in the Christmas tree. 
Swear to God you got my son's 

627
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,000
like kindergarten ornament. 
Not puppy proofed. 

628
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,160
I don't know what I was 
thinking. 

629
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Oh my goodness. 
You know, and I, I am obviously 

630
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
over paranoid and and that's not
realistic for people to buy a 

631
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,400
different brand every time, but 
I'm like at least think it. 

632
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,760
Is unrealistic. 
I mean, I so there are with 

633
00:36:43,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Camden and like I've already fed
him Savage cat roar roar OC raw 

634
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,720
Otis, like he has had green 
juju. 

635
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:10,040
He has had a lot in the three 
months that I've had him and 

636
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,920
different proteins and I I mean,
I just, I don't if you have a, 

637
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,440
you know, a local and indie pet 
store that carries multiple 

638
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,280
things or that can that we'll 
order for you. 

639
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600
I don't think it's unreasonable 
you. 

640
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Can get I mean you could get 
doctor Harvey's on Amazon you 

641
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,680
can get I don't know if you can 
get these very often but they 

642
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
they have their own website now 
you can go with the link in my 

643
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,680
bio. 
They ship straight to your door.

644
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200
They have like 14 different 
proteins and it's the same thing

645
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,720
with intolerances. 
To all these vets telling people

646
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,200
and like, oh, pick one food and 
don't ever change it. 

647
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Go from the puppy lamb and rice 
to the adult lamb and rice to 

648
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,800
the senior lamb and rice. 
That's the best way to go. 

649
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,480
And I'm like, who? 
Why? 

650
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Why did we get there? 
Why did that conclusion? 

651
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,240
Because a dog got diarrhea when 
you change their food after 

652
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,800
they've been eating the same 
protein for like 75 years. 

653
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Right. 
I know, I know. 

654
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,200
It was actually I had a follow 
up with a client the other day 

655
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,240
whose dog ended up having to go 
into surgery for a foreign 

656
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,080
object obstruction. 
And we had spent almost a year 

657
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,240
going through rotation and 
elimination and getting, you 

658
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,280
know, figuring out the foods 
that this dog does best on and 

659
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960
rotating foods and finding like 
adding more and more and more so

660
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
that he was getting a good 
rotation. 

661
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,440
And the first thing the vet 
tells her is like, Nope, I need 

662
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,640
you to either either put him on 
this single protein diet and 

663
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,680
never change it or put him on 
the hydrolyzed protein diet. 

664
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,000
And I'm like no to either 
please. 

665
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Hydrolyzed protein is like one 
step above starvation. 

666
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Yeah, yeah, it drives me nuts. 
I get it as a Band-Aid fix as a 

667
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
person with an itchy dog, a 
mystery itchy dog, which is 

668
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,400
maybe not so mystery anymore, 
but I get it. 

669
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,280
But use it as a Band-Aid and 
then or even like a vegetarian 

670
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
food use it as a Band-Aid. 
But honestly, I'd rather you 

671
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,320
feed plain chicken or something 
for a while. 

672
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Yeah, same, same. 
We do that a lot. 

673
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,560
Grape dried feather meal or 
whatever it is in the hydrolyzed

674
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,560
protein. 
Yeah, the people that are like 

675
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,320
my dog's not hydrolyzed protein,
he does so good. 

676
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200
We've been feeding it his whole 
life. 

677
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,480
And I'm like, you're poor dog. 
You're poor dog, I know. 

678
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,280
Again, I I see veterinary diets 
as a tool. 

679
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Well, and we also we have 
multiple companies now that are 

680
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,440
creating healthier versions of 
what the veterinary diets are 

681
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040
trying to do. 
So we have Medicus veterinary 

682
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,800
diets. 
Goodness gracious has their I 

683
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,080
always get it wrong. 
Like was it? 

684
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,360
They're like, I don't know what 
it starts with an R. 

685
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,040
They have a line of products 
that are designed to, you know, 

686
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,640
use whole food nutrition to 
mimic what they're trying to 

687
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,720
accomplish and better. 
I think Darwin's has some raised

688
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,320
right. 
I think has some like there's. 

689
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,160
How are raised rights like 
pancreatic diets and stuff like 

690
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,000
that? 
Yes. 

691
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040
So there are options out there 
now, thank goodness. 

692
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Yeah, I. 
Don't know why it took people so

693
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
long to get there, but I know 
it's it's hard, especially the 

694
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,840
FDA like does not like it. 
They'd rather you slap together 

695
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,920
a bunch of synthetic nutrients 
and call. 

696
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,880
It I'm just going to chew on 
your microphone. 

697
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,840
Check 1-2 Check. 
OK. 

698
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,960
So that actually kind of leads 
me into the final topic that I 

699
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,480
had for today, which is just a 
discussion on like where these 

700
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,120
big pet foods are going. 
They're showing us they're 

701
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
they're transitioning, not 
completely transitioning, but 

702
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,680
that they are opening up into 
the fresh food market. 

703
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,760
And I think this is going to be,
I don't know, it's either going 

704
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,280
to be very difficult for them to
go to veterinarians and say, 

705
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Spike, we were just kidding here
we have this fresh food now, or 

706
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,360
they're going to take it to 
veterinarians and they're just 

707
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,760
going to be like, Yep, whatever 
you say. 

708
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,600
Their argument's going to be 
that like, while we were losing 

709
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
them, we had to be inclusive to 
bring these people back into the

710
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
fold before we lost them to the 
devil that is raw food. 

711
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Like shut up, thirsty Ball. 
I don't. 

712
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,280
I just like, it's so hard for 
me, I think, to comprehend the 

713
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,400
like fear of fresh food. 
And I mean like, I know people 

714
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
like that breeder putting that 
like raw, raw diet recipe out 

715
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,920
there. 
Like it's fact. 

716
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,400
Those are the people that ruin 
it. 

717
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,680
And the people that are like, Oh
yeah, I just crock pot chicken, 

718
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,600
rice and peas and my dog loves 
it. 

719
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,280
Yeah, there's I'm sure they do. 
But excuse me. 

720
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Yeah, I'll bet they do. 
And I'll bet it your dog will 

721
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,160
probably be very healthy for a 
very solidly long time until 

722
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,920
something insidious starts 
sneaking. 

723
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
And because you're not doing any
kind of iron, you're not doing, 

724
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,320
you know, as well meaning as 
those are, you're kind of 

725
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,520
ruining it for us, like those of
us that are fighting for respect

726
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,280
from professionals, you know, 
and to have like Green Doo Doo 

727
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,040
did a feeding trial, I believe. 
And there's a couple other ones.

728
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,120
But to have legitimate companies
putting out honest to God whole 

729
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,920
food products. 
And say what you want about HP. 

730
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,040
Yeah, I'm not mad at it. 
I. 

731
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,520
Think it allows Steve's did 
research on the HPP to find what

732
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,440
settings and how they can do it 
without causing nutritional 

733
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,960
differences. 
And I know that green juju 

734
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
doesn't as well. 
Some people do bacteria phages, 

735
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,560
but OK, that immediately checks 
off the well. 

736
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Your dog's going to get 
salmonella. 

737
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,200
First of all, this is so 
rigorously tested. 

738
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800
You're going to get salmonella 
from lettuce before your dog 

739
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,160
sing it. 
Going to get salmonella from 

740
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
this, Plus you're handling it 
like a maniac and you're leaving

741
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,960
it on the counter for a week 
before you feed it to your dog. 

742
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Well, I don't. 
Like I personally, I have a 

743
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,120
healthy, relatively healthy dog 
and so I do feed green juju, but

744
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
I don't feed it exclusively 
right? 

745
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,800
And I don't, I have fed Steves, 
but I don't feed it exclusively.

746
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,240
I have found with client dogs 
and even with Kim to some 

747
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:33,680
degree, that the older they get 
often times either if they have 

748
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,840
like a disease state, especially
if it's something to do with 

749
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,000
their GI tract, or as they age 
some dogs tend to do a little 

750
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,760
bit better on a gently cooked 
food. 

751
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,760
Yeah. 
And I actually find that HPP has

752
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,200
been like a stepping stone, like
going from a raw diet to an HPPD

753
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,800
raw diet. 
Like they can get a couple more 

754
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,600
years on a raw diet with an HPPD
food. 

755
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Because I have no science to 
back this up, but I feel like 

756
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,520
I've noticed it with so many 
dogs now that it's just easier 

757
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,520
for them to digest. 
Yeah, I mean, I know for my 

758
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,760
seniors, I'm going off of kind 
of what you would say, the woo 

759
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,480
woo, you know, the energetics 
and stuff. 

760
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,880
But I think that my dogs have a 
lot more energy and a lot more 

761
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,320
vigor when they're eating warm 
foods. 

762
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,560
So that's why I really liked 
doing the Doctor Harvey's. 

763
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,360
I would rehydrate that with a 
hot water. 

764
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,760
They did amazing on that. 
And then I'd give them like a 

765
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,600
big hunk of pork loin and, you 
know, rotate the fats and things

766
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,960
like that. 
Even the Steves when we're doing

767
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800
that, I have a kettle. 
I just flipped that on and I 

768
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,160
think I did a whole reel about 
this. 

769
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,320
It's not complicated. 
It's just like add hot water, do

770
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,240
dog food. 
But I always let it sit and at 

771
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:55,200
least let it get up a little bit
because, you know, I used to be 

772
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,880
a person that would Chuck a 
frozen Patty at my dog and be 

773
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600
like, oh, enrichment. 
And it can, I mean, think about 

774
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,720
the the nerves that fire off 
when you eat a big chunk of ice 

775
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,600
cream and it slows your gut. 
It can cause some inflammation. 

776
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,320
And at the very least, you know,
we're trying to reduce the 

777
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
amount of neurological stress on
senior dogs. 

778
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,520
I have two somehow, by the grace
of God, extremely healthy minus 

779
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,760
the stinky toe. 2 extremely 
healthy, extremely vigorous 13 

780
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,840
plus year old dogs. 
And yeah, you have to shift a 

781
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,880
bit. 
You have to pivot. 

782
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,720
I am so pro fresh food or like 
gently cooked food. 

783
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,640
My only downside is it like, why
does it always have carbs? 

784
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:46,280
Yeah, you know what I mean? 
Well, especially things like 

785
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,760
that for people. 
Why does it always just have so 

786
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,360
many potatoes or rice or I'm 
like, yeah, take that out and I 

787
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,000
would love it so much more. 
I know well and I think the 

788
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Fermenta, if you're able to get 
a fermented food, that's going 

789
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,400
to be a little bit easier to 
digest as well. 

790
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,200
But Kim won't eat it. 
I wish she would. 

791
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,840
She just the fermented food that
we all know and love on the 

792
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,480
market right now. 
She just won't eat it. 

793
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,320
I wish she wanted. 
She just won't. 

794
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,320
But yeah, so I just had a like, 
I haven't used 1/3 of the notes 

795
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,520
that I, I put together for today
either. 

796
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,320
But just in 2025 alone, The 
Hills, which is Colgate 

797
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Palmolive, bought Prime 100, 
which is an Australian raw food 

798
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,280
brand. 
Granted, from the research, from

799
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,800
what I remember the research I 
did about this, it's like a chub

800
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,280
of meat with a bunch of 
synthetic vitamins and minerals 

801
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,680
in it. 
So it's kind of right up their 

802
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,920
alley. 
Like they're not. 

803
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,520
It's code compliant but right 
wrapped at Chinese. 

804
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,480
New Buffalo, which is General 
Mills came out with in the 

805
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,040
summer of this year, they are 
expanding into fresh foods as 

806
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,560
well as well with Love Made 
Fresh. 

807
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,680
And they actually tried to come 
on the podcast and I was like, 

808
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,440
thank you and I thank you. 
Take your life for its bits and 

809
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,800
get out of here, you crazy great
royal. 

810
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Canaan is launching Fresh Health
Nutrition, which is gently 

811
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,640
cooked a new fresh line. 
It looks like they're going to 

812
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,240
start it in Chewy or they did 
started in Chewy maybe in the 

813
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,680
summer. 
Chewy launched its own fresh 

814
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,400
brand called Get Real in 
September. 

815
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,320
And then General Mills is 
continuing trying to buy up some

816
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,640
of our brands that have been 
maybe not amazing, but on the 

817
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,480
better side like Tiki. 
And then let's see. 

818
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Well, I obviously, I mean just 
the fresh food brands, the treat

819
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,440
companies with products similar 
to mine, raw foods, whatever. 

820
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,120
I feel like they are just 
popping up everywhere because 

821
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,080
people know that there's a 
market for it right now and 

822
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,000
they're playing on the trends of
it, which I think is the 

823
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,360
dodgiest reason to get into 
making foods again. 

824
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,360
You are playing around with an 
animal's life by just getting 

825
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,840
into nutrition because you want 
the money. 

826
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,840
That's not something to play 
around with while they're 

827
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,640
they're popping up everywhere. 
And I'm it's hard to see some of

828
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440
these that I'm like, Oh my like 
you might as well be feeding a 

829
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,520
kibble with with how synthetic 
and and unhealthy this is. 

830
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,800
However, devil's advocate, I'm 
glad that we are mainstreaming 

831
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,720
it. 
Yeah, because we're you know 

832
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:45,800
what I mean It it is shifting 
the tide and I'm grateful for 

833
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,800
that. 
So I think that the was it hills

834
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,280
or somebody did that a fresh 
food with a gently cooked coming

835
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,920
out similar to fresh pet. 
So royal. 

836
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Canin is doing a gently cooked. 
Shoei is doing a gently cooked. 

837
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,720
While, while I think that it's 
not going to be, yeah, good, 

838
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:16,920
yeah, we are now going to 
capture kibble feeders that have

839
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:24,520
been die hard hills or whatever,
feeders for their lives. 

840
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
And we're going to kind of 
influence them. 

841
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,800
And then maybe they'll see a 
raised right commercial or a 

842
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,800
goodness gracious, and then 
they'll find a brand like that. 

843
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,160
I like anything that does open 
people's minds. 

844
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Like for myself, I carry sweet 
potato chips and chicken jerky 

845
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,480
and they're not bad, but they're
not something I really want to 

846
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,040
make. 
They're time consuming. 

847
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240
They're not exactly super 
profitable because I'm using 

848
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,280
higher quality, but it's 
familiar for people. 

849
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080
I bought your chicken jerky this
last time. 

850
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,440
I will say just because Kim is 
so picky. 

851
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,760
It's super great for cats too. 
It's thin and I use like human 

852
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,280
grade chicken, but like, it's 
not that special, you know what 

853
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,120
I mean? 
I'd rather focus on my really 

854
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,080
cool, nutritious things and 
whole prey chunks of meat, you 

855
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,440
know? 
But I have to bring people in 

856
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,160
and I do find that a lot of 
people are like, wow. 

857
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,600
But then they'll buy like the 
pork and apple bites because 

858
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
they're cutesy. 
Mm hmm. 

859
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,400
And that is a sales tactic. 
But for me it's a ethics backed 

860
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,000
sales tactic because then you 
start you like the pork and 

861
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,800
apple and then you start to 
trust me. 

862
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,520
And then maybe next time you try
a pork hide chew and then you 

863
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,440
swap out your rawhide rolls for 
pork hide rolls. 

864
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,400
And then maybe after that you 
try a beef scapula. 

865
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Or then after that, you know, 
you go up, you go from chicken 

866
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,480
jerky to a chicken foot and then
you're like, yeah, my dog likes 

867
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,040
this. 
And then and you know, you're, 

868
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,120
you're in this weird little 
rabbit hole that we live in, you

869
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,560
know, and that's why I love for 
me the carnivore crates, 

870
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,280
bringing in these brand partners
like micro dog, CBD, dog health,

871
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Who else? 
Today in Clover research, I 

872
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,760
captured people with the treats 
and then I'm introducing, I call

873
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,920
it like I'm putting tools in 
their toolbox. 

874
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,360
I'm influencing in a good way. 
I think, you know, and these are

875
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,480
all really good brands that I'm 
excited and I'm proud to show 

876
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,200
them to these people that have 
trusted me with their dogs 

877
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,000
health, you know, by buying my 
treats. 

878
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,840
And I think of it of like 
really, really cool peer 

879
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,880
pressure. 
Sometimes the drug is something 

880
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,040
that's going to be really good 
for your dog, you know, and I 

881
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,280
just think that that's that's 
like that whole rant video that 

882
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,120
I did about influence. 
Sometimes influence isn't a bad 

883
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,160
thing. 
Sometimes it's OK to be sold, 

884
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,800
but then look about what is 
what's driving that decision. 

885
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,560
Yes, obviously I need money, I 
need to pay my bills, but I'm 

886
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,240
not going to do dirty money, you
know, and there's a lot of us 

887
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,880
out there that are like that. 
There's a lot of us. 

888
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,080
And those are all brands that I 
like to work with people like 

889
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,400
yourself and all these other 
amazing friends that we've made 

890
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,000
throughout this whole process. 
It's so cool to see people that 

891
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,520
are successful for, cuz there's 
a lot that aren't, as we've 

892
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
discussed in this video, there's
a lot of them that aren't. 

893
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,080
And the, you know, the food 
industry, everybody now I'm 

894
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,560
talking like investors and 
they're like, yeah, well, you 

895
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,920
know, it was suggested. 
We, we saw that there's a lot of

896
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,080
money going into the pet food 
industry and started to get 

897
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,760
involved. 
I'm like, leave if that's why 

898
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
you're going to talk to me. 
Yeah, yeah, I. 

899
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Don't want your money, dirty 
money and you got bad, You're 

900
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,240
going to push me to make bad 
decisions for profit, you know? 

901
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,760
Yep, Yep I know. 
What was it I saw the other day?

902
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,280
I think it was. 
I think it was a quote from RFK 

903
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,920
Junior. 
He was like there are 4 meat 

904
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,320
Packers in this country and then
BlackRock owns all of them. 

905
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,360
Another reason to just buy from 
a farmer. 

906
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,320
No, I would love to buy a whole 
cow, but we are, you know, I'm 

907
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,280
not exactly rolling in it. 
We're basically a 1.5 income, 

908
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,240
you know, family. 
It's, it's hard for people to 

909
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,000
dish out that sometimes all I 
can afford is whatever I can get

910
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,520
at ALDI that week and maybe then
we could do grass fed. 

911
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,120
And it's it's hard because I 
just wish that the industry was 

912
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,920
honest for people. 
Yeah, I know it is. 

913
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,160
It's really hard. 
I don't know who I was talking. 

914
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:36,080
I was talking to MNT yesterday 
and I was like, I can't imagine 

915
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
not knowing what I know. 
But there are definitely days 

916
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,680
where I'm like, man, I wish I 
didn't know any of this because 

917
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,240
it is. 
It's heavy. 

918
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,520
It's. 
Heavy. 

919
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,440
I was just thinking that I'm 
like, God, everything is ruined 

920
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,960
for me. 
I can't go out and see a dog and

921
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,400
just be like, oh, look at that 
dog. 

922
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,280
I'm like, that's a fat dog. 
That's really a bummer. 

923
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,520
I hope that they address that 
before that dog dies prematurely

924
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,240
or like blows an ACL because 
it's so deficient. 

925
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,960
Like it's it's I don't like 
being like that. 

926
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,080
But you know, it's like there's 
so much that's ruined for me, 

927
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,600
but it's it's good. 
But yeah, what is that heavy is 

928
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,760
the no that's a like a king 
quote or something like. 

929
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,520
It is, yeah. 
But I mean, it's, it's real, I 

930
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,200
know, but I'm the same way. 
I see a dog and I'm like, and 

931
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,640
the first thing I first thing I 
see when I see a dog is what 

932
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,240
kind of color they're wearing. 
There's like a prong collar on a

933
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,240
dog. 
I'm like, oh God, my poor baby, 

934
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:34,920
my poor baby. 
I'm so sorry. 

935
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,480
If used correctly in certain 
dogs as it can be a good tool. 

936
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
People hate on head colors too 
but if trained you know. 

937
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,080
But yeah, it's like, I can 
recognize a prematurely neutered

938
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:53,120
dog from a mile away. 
Those like, stick straight legs.

939
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,120
Poor confirmation. 
I know. 

940
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,080
And it sucks because it's the 
dog that suffers. 

941
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,680
But yeah. 
And then you have to find a nice

942
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,120
way to like, oh, are you having 
some joint issues? 

943
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,080
That's I've had great success. 
I mean, like, I've straight up 

944
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,120
lied to people to come up with a
relatable way to not come off 

945
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,760
like preachy because it shuts 
people down. 

946
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,520
It does. 
And then at a certain point you 

947
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,200
also need to accept like, I'm 
not going to win this one. 

948
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,800
Like in the comments of some, 
gosh, what was that one? 

949
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520
I also said in the group where 
like the vets were like, see 

950
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,920
this bone, this is going to kill
your dog, this leg bone. 

951
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480
And it was like a Turkey neck. 
And then like, yeah, it was it 

952
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,400
was that was the big show. 
I had to at least hop in and 

953
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,040
point out somebody's like, raw 
food companies are so 

954
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,400
unregulated. 
And I'm like what? 

955
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,920
I beg to. 
Differ really which one to an 

956
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,880
AAFCO meeting lately? 
Yeah, I'm like, I think that 

957
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,440
they are heavily regulated. 
But yeah, yeah, it's it's hard 

958
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,840
sometimes you have to just say 
like, I'm not going to win this.

959
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,720
Here's my piece. 
You're not going to win some. 

960
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,680
It's the same with like the I 
won't say the magic word, but 

961
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,960
the job debate. 
You know, kindergartner, I'm 

962
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,880
done. 
Yeah. 

963
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,240
Well, and, and I just saw, I 
don't remember which, I, I have 

964
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:27,760
so many emails that I get that 
are like either veterinary 

965
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Medical Association related or 
pet food industry related. 

966
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,360
I, it had to have been one of 
the like AVMA or something 

967
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,400
emails. 
And it was literally the, the 

968
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,960
whole point of the e-mail was 
talking about how influencers on

969
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,040
social media are lying about the
self replicating mRNA vaccines. 

970
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,840
And it's like, you have no 
longevity in your studies 

971
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,800
whatsoever. 
How do you know that anybody is 

972
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,760
lying about anything? 
But and then there is one 

973
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,400
veterinarian that I saw do it, a
video about it, about there's 

974
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,680
nothing wrong with them. 
But she's also the same one that

975
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,360
I had to block because she was 
just like literally trolling me.

976
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,960
And I'm like, do you have 
nothing better to do? 

977
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,440
Like how about you go take this 
nutrition course instead of 

978
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,840
trolling me if you have. 
All this time, yeah. 

979
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,640
I like to. 
See vets on social media 

980
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,040
sometimes and it's not even like
I like to see the ones that are 

981
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320
saying the things that I, you 
know, it is education is never 

982
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,640
bad. 
Yeah, I think it doesn't always 

983
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,040
go the way that I would like, 
you know, but it's hard. 

984
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,160
I think also like it's so easy 
to discredit someone by saying 

985
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,200
you're going to listen to 
somebody on the Internet without

986
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:51,040
a degree when I know the fact 
that like through experience and

987
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,400
talking to people and going to 
these events and all of the 

988
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,520
independent research and 
education that I have, I know 

989
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,800
that I'm speaking the truth. 
I know that I'm speaking based 

990
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,800
on fact. 
But then you have certain 

991
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:14,000
influencers out there that are 
just louder and it's hard. 

992
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,200
It's a hard one because it is. 
It's easy to say. 

993
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
I kind of agree. 
Sometimes you listen to people 

994
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,840
and you're like, oh, you have so
much power and you're promoting 

995
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,920
chicken and rice or whatever. 
It is bad. 

996
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,760
A certain couple out there right
now. 

997
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:38,960
Yeah, Yep, yeah, I know. 
Yeah, I have AI have a whole 

998
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,880
theory on that one. 
But anyway. 

999
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,960
Yeah, that drive me nuts. 
Yeah, yeah, the reach they have 

1000
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440
though I, I'm sure it's not as 
much as it was at one point, 

1001
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,440
but. 
I don't know. 

1002
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Really. 
It's just so funny because I saw

1003
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,840
someone referencing their book 
for raw feeding. 

1004
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,960
I'm like, yeah, book tour and 
now you. 

1005
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Are sure that publisher is 
thrilled. 

1006
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Yeah. 
All right, well. 

1007
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,360
Yeah, is there anything else we 
missed in the ranting? 

1008
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,120
You know, I mean, probably 
1,000,001 things, but I think I 

1009
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,320
think we talked about what we 
came here to talk about at 

1010
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,680
least. 
And yeah, I mean, I think I 

1011
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,640
think next year is going to be 
very interesting. 

1012
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,280
You know, obviously these 
companies, big companies are 

1013
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,080
getting in fresh food. 
And I I'm with you. 

1014
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:37,120
I'm like if if it's going to get
somebody off of kibble and onto 

1015
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,000
a gently cooked, even if it's 
the same quality of ingredients 

1016
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,200
mixed with synthetics, at least 
that's a stepping stone. 

1017
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Yeah. 
And like now they're now 

1018
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,520
they're, they've probably seen 
like just the difference in the 

1019
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,400
moisture content, what that's 
going to make in their pet, even

1020
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,640
though that's not they're not 
going to realize that's pretty 

1021
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,400
much all it's going to be. 
But even that can make a huge 

1022
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,120
difference for the pet. 
And then you know, if we can 

1023
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,760
then bring them over to. 
The bright side, not so dark 

1024
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,320
side. 
Yeah, right. 

1025
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,560
And you know, just, it is about 
making incremental changes. 

1026
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,800
I know when I first switched to 
feeding raw food, I had already 

1027
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,320
been feeding fresh food for a 
while. 

1028
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,360
But I was that person that was 
like, I was just throwing stuff 

1029
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,440
in her crock pot. 
And I had, I was still feeding 

1030
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,280
kibble because I knew that it 
wasn't balanced. 

1031
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,040
And I was like, I don't know 
what I'm doing. 

1032
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,720
I'm just wanting to feed you 
real food and I don't know how 

1033
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,560
to do it yet and that kind of 
thing. 

1034
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,200
So once I actually transitioned 
to raw feeding, it was literally

1035
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,280
think, I think I went live on my
YouTube channel like every day 

1036
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,560
for 30 days and like, this is 
what I learned today for. 

1037
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,240
And so and every day I was just 
learning something new to OK, 

1038
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,120
how am I actually going to do 
this right? 

1039
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,000
Ultimately, I'm like, find the 
commercial food is how I'm going

1040
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,480
to do it, right? 
That was pretty much how I went.

1041
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,440
I was like, that's it. 
We're making our own food. 

1042
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,320
And I was doing great. 
I was buying beef tongue and 

1043
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,880
kidney and heart and you know. 
It's a lot. 

1044
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:25,440
It was so much and I still was 
like, am I doing the right form 

1045
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,960
of vitamin E? 
It's a lot. 

1046
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,080
And I'm grateful for calculators
and I'm grateful for people that

1047
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,760
can formulate A balanced diet. 
And I work with a lot of people 

1048
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,480
like that and, and it's great if
you can afford that. 

1049
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,280
And then you have the ability 
and the time and the money to 

1050
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,920
complete a diet on your own. 
And it's then there's people 

1051
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,840
like it doesn't have to be 
balanced every day. 

1052
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,560
I agree. 
My dogs sometimes eat treats 

1053
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,280
like when we camp my dog's 
treats I just bring a giant bag 

1054
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,640
of body parts and then like. 
Maybe some? 

1055
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,760
Dried food or I'll bring, yeah, 
maybe I'll bring like my Doctor 

1056
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Harvey's and then I'll just feed
them rabbit legs and meaty 

1057
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,440
things all day. 
And then whatever they're 

1058
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,920
diagnosed, you know, serving of 
the Doctor Harvey's just to give

1059
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,520
him a little bit. 
But honestly, you don't have to 

1060
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:22,200
eat balanced every single day. 
Is it maybe ideal but like 

1061
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,560
eating, I don't. 
Even know that it's ideal, like 

1062
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,280
I really I don't even know that 
it's ideal. 

1063
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,360
Like that's not how animals eat 
in the wild. 

1064
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:38,160
But I think it's just a slippery
slope with like OK, no, I also 

1065
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,600
agree that AFCO is not the end 
all be all and that we don't 

1066
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,760
need to feed a balanced diet 
every single day. 

1067
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:50,520
But that slope comes down to, 
OK, but you still have to be 

1068
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,240
responsible enough to know what 
you said yesterday and the week 

1069
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,280
before and the month before so 
that you're rotating and you are

1070
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600
doing the things to make it 
balance over time. 

1071
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,520
And that's that in itself is 
something that I think a lot of 

1072
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,800
people just don't have the 
bandwidth for, especially if 

1073
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,960
you're, you know, working 60 
hours a week and you've got 

1074
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,920
three kids and you're doing all 
that and you're like, I love my 

1075
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,760
pets, but this is too much. 
There are some days that I'm 

1076
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,920
like, I wish that I could just 
must be a kibble feeder. 

1077
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760
You know what I mean? 
I wish I could know better even.

1078
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Yeah. 
Like Camden is like, God, what's

1079
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,360
there's so many supplements and 
I'm like, don't worry about 

1080
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,240
them. 
Just like I'm not going to make 

1081
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
my poor mother-in-law do the 800
supplements. 

1082
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,440
I'm going to dose out the 
important ones. 

1083
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,920
But like, it's not that big of a
deal. 

1084
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,600
Yeah. 
I wish that I could just scoop a

1085
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,320
food, but I wouldn't do that for
myself. 

1086
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,120
Yeah. 
Why? 

1087
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,560
How could I write? 
I wouldn't. 

1088
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,200
I definitely wouldn't do that 
for my kid. 

1089
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,520
I feel stressed out. 
Just give him a granola bar, you

1090
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,000
know, How could I do that for my
pets? 

1091
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,880
And so for me, the grind is 
worth it. 

1092
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,840
But at the same time, yeah, I'm 
not made of money. 

1093
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Dinner time around here is 
chaos. 

1094
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,000
We have 4 cats and luckily 
somehow I have trained Wilder to

1095
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,120
feed all the cats eating raw 
food and everything. 

1096
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,320
He's like, OK, so one scoop of 
raw food for you, 2 scoops of 

1097
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,160
raw food for you, and he's like,
mom, where's the spoon? 

1098
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,120
I need the spoon. 
Is this the right measurement? 

1099
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200
You know, he cracks me up. 
He's like, are we doing broth 

1100
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,080
today? 
You know, cracks me up. 

1101
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,160
And I'm like, thank God I was 
the only one feeding everybody 

1102
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,000
for so long because then like 
the dogs now being seniors, they

1103
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,080
get their supplements and it's a
little bit more of an evolved 

1104
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,680
process now. 
Scarlet's on medicines and it's 

1105
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,440
a lot to do that and to 
remember. 

1106
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,440
Do you know how often I forget 
to thaw their frozen food? 

1107
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,880
Like once a week minimum. 
And I'm sitting there, it's on 

1108
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,520
my mind pet platter, which makes
it thaw a little bit faster, but

1109
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,560
then the cats are on it so I 
don't have to hide it in the 

1110
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,600
oven. 
And it is a lot. 

1111
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240
And I, when people are like, I 
just like don't have the time 

1112
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,840
for that. 
I'm like, no, I get that. 

1113
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,000
I get that. 
You're going to have to adjust 

1114
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,520
your schedule a little bit 
though if it's worth it for you.

1115
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,320
To me it just is. 
How important is your pets 

1116
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,920
longevity and holistic health? 
It is, I know even like my 

1117
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,360
sister-in-law is like, yeah, I 
don't think I can feed Kim the 

1118
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,040
way you feed Kim right now. 
Because after the year we have 

1119
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,320
had like both of our health 
suffered this year. 

1120
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,440
And I did a bunch of testing on 
her and I've kind of come to the

1121
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,600
conclusion that like there was 
enough inflammation in her body 

1122
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,960
that so she had a previous 
Ehrlichia and ordeal, I don't 

1123
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,760
know, at some point she was from
Mexico. 

1124
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,040
So obviously she was bitten by a
ticket some point. 

1125
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,320
And I've never had a problem 
with it for the 10 years I've 

1126
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,360
had her. 
But all of a sudden I'm just 

1127
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,800
seeing like little things 
happening and I'm like, OK, I, I

1128
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,960
don't want to get to a point 
where she becomes symptomatic 

1129
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:03,680
with this, you know, because 
you, you can't ever get rid of 

1130
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,160
my understanding or like, yeah, 
it's just always there and 

1131
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,680
hopefully doesn't, doesn't pop 
up. 

1132
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,800
Like the symptoms don't pop up. 
But I'm like, I feel like we're 

1133
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,040
getting close. 
I felt like we were getting 

1134
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,800
close. 
And so I literally have like an 

1135
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:25,880
entire like tick borne illness 
prevention protocol with her, 

1136
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,680
her food. 
And we're doing something 

1137
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,920
different literally every night 
of the week just because I'm 

1138
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,480
trying to get that rotation in 
there. 

1139
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,040
Like I'm feeding different 
colors of vegetables every night

1140
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,560
and different like I'm doing all
of these things and it's 

1141
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,880
temporary, right? 
But it's I feel like it's 

1142
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,720
important for me to do this for 
her because I put her through 

1143
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,640
this year and I don't want these
symptoms to start popping up. 

1144
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,560
And she has had a couple of 
things. 

1145
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840
So what? 
If you have the capability to do

1146
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,480
that, hell yeah you hear 800 
supplements. 

1147
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Do all of your protocols. 
Rotate your foods daily, count 

1148
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
your colors of vegetables. 
Amazing. 

1149
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,400
And then like, I think it's 
important for people reading. 

1150
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,480
I think the dangerous thing is 
when people take that and they 

1151
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,680
put that all over their 
Instagram, like how you should 

1152
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,720
be feeding your dog, that is not
realistic. 

1153
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,080
So many people, you're going to 
cut people off. 

1154
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,400
But to say like, I have the 
ability to do that and that's 

1155
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,200
amazing. 
Right now I'm at a point in my 

1156
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,040
life where I keep some kibble 
for when we need to send the 

1157
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,280
dogs to whatever and she gets a 
little bit of it. 

1158
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,080
We have a big dog and you know, 
to expect somebody to you have 

1159
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,240
to soak this food. 
Then the way out, you know, how 

1160
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,280
many ounces of this with two 
pumps of this and then this and 

1161
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,920
this and this. 
This powder is just not 

1162
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,640
realistic. 
And I think that being flexible 

1163
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,080
with that is OK. 
One of my favorites is like 

1164
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,400
fresh broth for us for some 
reason. 

1165
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,880
Like I just, it goes in the 
fridge and it's dead to me. 

1166
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,960
And like, I was so sick of 
throwing out good broth that I 

1167
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:01,520
paid money for. 
Yep. 

1168
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:06,680
So do I know that the dried 
broth is not as good? 

1169
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,880
Probably. 
We don't know that. 

1170
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,320
I've got some for it. 
I'm going to try it. 

1171
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Yeah. 
Like I, I'm assuming that 

1172
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,640
anything that's processed is not
as good as the raw, right? 

1173
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,439
Or even broth is not raw, but 
not as good as the fresh. 

1174
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Having that powdered broth that 
I can just like scoop, scoop, 

1175
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,800
scoop, whatever, add some water.
It allows me to do that to where

1176
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,960
normally I would just say like 
we, we just can't do broth. 

1177
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,120
I just, I never finished it, 
whatever. 

1178
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,600
And I think that, yeah, being 
flexible. 

1179
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,960
Is that the, is that the theme 
here? 

1180
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,680
Just allow your thought be 
flexible. 

1181
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,359
Yeah, I have this like bin that 
I put in my refrigerator that 

1182
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,240
has everything in it for Kim 
that it needs to be 

1183
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,120
refrigerated. 
I have a separate one for all 

1184
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,120
the like, stuff that doesn't 
need to be refrigerated, that 

1185
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,359
stays out on the counter. 
And so I just grabbed the bin 

1186
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,479
out of the fridge and like, she,
it's her food and her broth and 

1187
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,439
whatever. 
And that way I'm not like 

1188
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,880
forgetting things and they're 
not getting stuck behind things.

1189
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,200
And I'm like this. 
Is like 6 month old bottles of 

1190
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:15,120
kefir in the back. 
I'm like, it's a living food, 

1191
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,439
right? 
It's just, yeah. 

1192
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,000
I mean, in theory, yeah. 
And I think a. 

1193
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Lot of like you're saying, I 
think a lot of it is setting 

1194
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,760
yourself up for success with it.
Figure out a routine. 

1195
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,520
Yeah. 
If it's worth it to you, then 

1196
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,600
you will find out a routine. 
You'll find a way to make it 

1197
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,319
work again. 
Object permanence not great for 

1198
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,040
me. 
The cabinet was not a good place

1199
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,880
for supplements. 
However, I bought little 

1200
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,120
magnetic shelves in our feeding 
nook. 

1201
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,960
And then like having the kettle 
where I can just flip it on as 

1202
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,840
I'm passing by and if I end up 
back there 30 minutes later, 

1203
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,080
whatever, maybe I'll flip it 
back on. 

1204
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,880
Set yourself up. 
So there's so many ways to not 

1205
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,960
end up giving up and ending back
on the convenience food. 

1206
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,040
It's going to take a little bit 
of a tweak, but going straight 

1207
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,960
to DIY raw is probably going to 
ruin it for you. 

1208
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,960
If you got through that and your
DIY amazing, good for you. 

1209
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,400
I know I wasn't strong enough. 
I know. 

1210
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,240
Oh my gosh, me either. 
Me either. 

1211
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,680
And like, I'm not squeamish. 
But what's funny is like I did a

1212
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,640
video one time where I was doing
a DIY meal prep and everybody 

1213
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,280
was like, the way you're holding
the liver. 

1214
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,520
And I'm like, the liver doesn't 
bother me, but apparently the 

1215
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,720
way I hold it makes people think
it bothers. 

1216
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,720
Me liver's a weird one. 
It's squishy. 

1217
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,840
It is a weird texture for sure 
it. 

1218
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Reminds me of like an oobleck 
where it's like liquid when 

1219
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,840
you're not pressing it, but then
it's like hard when you are 

1220
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,320
working it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1221
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,000
I don't know. 
I don't do organs, if you've 

1222
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,120
noticed. 
Yeah, I know it's. 

1223
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,400
All right, lady. 
Yeah. 

1224
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,160
I can go in forever but. 
I know, yeah. 

1225
01:10:53,440 --> 01:11:00,200
Well I think be flexible, try 
fresh things, be open to change 

1226
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,880
and just think about whether 
your pets health I think is 

1227
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,880
worth a slight amount of 
inconvenience while you figure 

1228
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,880
out your routine. 
Yeah, Yeah, it is. 

1229
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,000
By the way, it is worth it, I 
think. 

1230
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:13,880
Stop. 
It is. 

1231
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,400
I agree. 
Stop consciously. 

1232
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,800
I that's I'm like, if I can push
people to do anything, I don't 

1233
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,360
care what decision you come to 
based on your research, at least

1234
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,640
research and come up with an 
educated decision not driven by 

1235
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,800
ads. 
Yeah, I know that shiny object 

1236
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,880
syndrome can really like before 
you know it. 

1237
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,440
Like if you look back over the 
past year, if you have spent 

1238
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,360
hundreds, maybe thousands of 
dollars on supplements that are 

1239
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,200
sitting in your cabinet, what 
could we have done with that 

1240
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,040
dude before going to buy those 
supplements? 

1241
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Man, that is such a huge. 
That's a big one for me. 

1242
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,560
Can't out supplement a bad diet?
No, cannot. 

1243
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,720
Yeah, they're they're feeding a 
kibble with 800 supplements. 

1244
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,880
Like girl, just go buy a case of
Steve's right? 

1245
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,880
And like, feed the tiniest 
amount. 

1246
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,440
I don't care. 
Crack an egg in there. 

1247
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,920
Yeah, so. 
Pop up. 

1248
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,240
BC was here watching, he says. 
Don't beat yourself. 

1249
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,480
Oh, you were just reading it. 
Yeah. 

1250
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,240
Don't beat yourself up if you 
can't do the best every single 

1251
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,920
day, I think. 
You know what? 

1252
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,840
If nobody died, you did pretty 
good that day. 

1253
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,160
But did you die? 
Yeah. 

1254
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,880
But did you die? 
We're both Libras. 

1255
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,120
But did you die? 
I am. 

1256
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:32,920
I'm such a shit show, honestly. 
I'm like, there's I now pay 

1257
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,480
somebody to be like, hey, did 
you, did you get this done? 

1258
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:42,280
And I'm like, no, no, I didn't 
because I'm on my third virus of

1259
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,200
the week, you know? 
Yeah. 

1260
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,920
Well, a little one. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1261
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,160
And now apparently I needed more
bodies to add to the chaos of 

1262
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,560
Christmas. 
I'm already doing all the 

1263
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,280
Christmas shopping. 
All right. 

1264
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,160
Well, thank you so much for 
joining me, Warren. 

1265
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,960
It is always a pleasure to talk 
to you hopefully. 

1266
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,920
Did your. 
Oh wait, what day is it? 

1267
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,920
Maybe not till Monday. 
I was going to say I sent you a 

1268
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,240
package but it might not get 
there until Monday. 

1269
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,600
Oh my God, I need to do the 
Wellness test. 

1270
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,200
I'm doing it. 
No. 

1271
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,760
I don't know if you saw my story
that I posted filing a complaint

1272
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,360
against. 
I don't know if it's the mico 

1273
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,680
dog or what, but that's the only
thing I can think of that I've 

1274
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,880
like tweaked. 
I went to like a higher dose of 

1275
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,680
the, I think we're on vitality 
now. 

1276
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,720
Sunshine is such a menace. 
I I'm like, are we having a 

1277
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,040
Benjamin button? 
She's so naughty all of a 

1278
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,280
sudden, Like it was always a 
known fact that I can put her on

1279
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,080
the couch and she'll be on the 
couch when you get back. 

1280
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,040
I can put her on the bed. 
She'll be there. 

1281
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,520
All of a sudden she's jumping 
down, ripping through bags of 

1282
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,760
stuff, jumping up to grab bags 
of groceries down, shredding 

1283
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,120
through it, getting into the 
trash, zooming around. 

1284
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,560
Yeah. 
Barking Barks. 

1285
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,880
No. 
I'm telling like I with Kim, I 

1286
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:04,200
did start adding the clarity, 
but I also started Totonics and 

1287
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,240
I really think that has made 
such a huge difference for her. 

1288
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,720
It's and it's not expensive. 
Yeah, like. 

1289
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,440
Such a huge difference. 
Anyway, not an ad. 

1290
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,440
Yeah, not an ad, I just. 
Hashtag not an ad. 

1291
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,040
I like ads, you know, personal 
ad first things that actually 

1292
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,360
work. 
And that was my whole rant 

1293
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,800
about, yeah, influence too. 
I'm like, it's OK to be 

1294
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,760
influenced sometimes. 
If they're actually good 

1295
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,520
products, then how do you judge 
it? 

1296
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,280
It's hard. 
It is hard. 

1297
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,760
All right, Well, thank you so 
much, Lauren. 

1298
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,760
Girls gone Wrong. 
Ugly dog sweater and. 

1299
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,400
It's so cute though, all right? 
Three terrible weather. 

1300
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:55,280
I appreciate you and thanks for 
wrapping up 2025 with me. 

1301
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,640
We'll talk again in 2026, I'm 
sure. 

1302
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,720
Hopefully we can get you 
involved in the current war 

1303
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,520
crate next year. 
Oh. 

1304
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,680
My gosh, yes, I've got to. 
I've got to do that. 

1305
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,840
January is going to be a really 
good one. 

1306
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,280
I'm just like we already started
planning for it, which I'm not 

1307
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,720
usually this ahead of it, but we
started planning products. 

1308
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,800
I'm really excited. 
It's gonna be a good one. 

1309
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,680
I think so. 
That's amazing. 

1310
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:17,600
I love it. 
All right. 

1311
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,520
Thank. 
You. 

1312
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Thank you. 
And yeah, I'm sure we'll talk 

1313
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,360
again in 2020. 
Six, I'll probably, yeah, talk 

1314
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,920
to you in like 2 hours, but 
importantly, talk, talk on the 

1315
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,360
right, right. 
All right, Thank you. 

1316
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,720
Thanks for dealing by 85 breaks.
See you later. 

1317
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Bye bye.