1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,760 Hey there, it's Jess. If you're new here, I'm a 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,560 certified professional canine nutritionist, raw nutrition 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,720 certified for dogs and cats, a holistic pet health coach, the 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,040 founder of Wild Wellness Pet, and the host of the Pet 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,680 Parenting Reset podcast that you're listening to right now, 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,960 where every pet deserves the absolute best and every pet 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,440 parent is welcome. 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Welcome back pet parent. 18 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,960 Today we are diving into the woo woo again because it's one of my 19 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:11,960 favorite places to be and I have a very special guest all the way 20 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,520 from Ireland. And one of the things that I 21 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,480 find like the coolest. I don't know why this just like 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,600 hit me this morning when I was going over her website, right 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,400 there on the homepage, it says sacred animal medicine. 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,720 And that that hit me this morning like really hard. 25 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,800 I don't know what it was about it like they're just three 26 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,200 simple words. But I am just so excited to have 27 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 this conversation today with Lisa Tully. 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:41,520 How are you doing? Lisa? 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Thank you so much for being here. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Yeah, I'm doing good. And thank you so much for having 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,040 me. I'm really looking forward to 32 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,680 this conversation. Yeah. 33 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:55,440 Yeah, Well, I love talking all things woo woo because I see 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 especially with what I do, which is not what you do. 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,360 I don't you do a whole different thing. 36 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:07,400 But I work a lot with bio resonance technology and people 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 consider that to be very woo woo, even though it's quantum 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,840 physics. So I see like a huge correlation 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,200 between what we actually like call woo woo and call like 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:22,880 spiritual and science and like like real physical. 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,360 We could actually like quantify a lot of this. 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,360 But you do something that is in the realm because it is very 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,480 spiritual. But I've, you know, I've talked 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,360 to a number of animal communicators in the past on the 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,720 podcast and I'm just so fascinated by what you do, 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,600 especially because I've been told by so many people that I 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,600 have the ability. I just haven't tapped into it 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,560 yet. So haven't gotten there, but I'm 49 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,520 fascinated by it. So I would love to learn, just 50 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,800 start out a little bit about you and kind of how you got into 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,640 what you're doing today. Sure. 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,960 I started out, as I think most people do who love animals as a 53 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,480 kid, just gathering all the animals that are all around you, 54 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,240 the sick animals, trying to heal them. 55 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,960 It was just in me from from the gecko. 56 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,400 And yeah, I always wanted to be a vet. 57 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:22,320 And then you grow up. So what happened was I when I 58 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,760 was in school, I didn't get the points to get into veterinary 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,200 medicine, although I worked in a veterinary practice for two 60 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,080 years as a nurse's aide. And I really got to see what 61 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,840 that, what that world is like for, for both the people working 62 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,480 there and, and the animals and their their guardians. 63 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:43,480 And when I kind of came out of that, I, I, I didn't get into 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,440 the veterinary medicine, but I end up doing science instead. 65 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,720 Umm, And so that's very left brain, right? 66 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,880 So I'm really curious that you're already speaking about 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,080 quantum physics and all the stuff that you do is backed up 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,560 by science because I, I, although I am quite right brain 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,600 in the animal communication stuff, I do come from that 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,280 scientific background. So I'm very much about 71 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,920 integrative work. And so that's why at the moment 72 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,600 I, you know, I collaborate with holistic bets a lot and I really 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,760 enjoy that. Umm, but what happened was when 74 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,760 I, when I graduated in my science degree, umm, I then 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,480 worked in pharma for seven years and that gave me a real 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,760 understanding of drugs, biochemistry, chemistry, you 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,040 know, the interactions and you know, and also I lost all fear 78 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,520 of the white coats. So I, I can converse with vets 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,720 now no problem. I speak the language because I 80 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,960 had to teach doctors how to use my products through clinical 81 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,400 trials. So it gave me such a foundation 82 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,720 and it's the opposite of where I am at now. 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,640 Oh really? And what happened was I was, I 84 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,360 was in London, which is such an amazing city. 85 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,000 That's where I was working and there's just incredible 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,280 opportunities to learn anything you want there. 87 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:54,560 And that's where I started to meditate. 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,280 And when I'm more I meditated, the more I realized that pharma 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,800 wasn't for me. And, and I then ended up giving 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,360 up my job and I went to India and I ended up running tours in 91 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,360 India, taking people to learn meditation and immerse 92 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,640 themselves in the Tibetan community over there. 93 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,920 So that meant I spent a significant amount of time over 94 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,960 there over about a three-year period. 95 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,000 And it really awoke something in me. 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,120 And because the more I meditated, the more time I spend 97 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,400 in the temples and in the teachings and on retreat, my 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,720 intuition got louder and louder and louder. 99 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,680 And I think I always had a good instinct about animals, but when 100 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:40,320 I managed to calm the mind to that point, I really could feel 101 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,920 and intuit what it is that the animals need. 102 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,080 And then what I decided to do was to make this more 103 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,120 professional so I could get insured and things like that. 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,800 I then did a 1 to 1 mentorship with Madeline Walker in the UK 105 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,760 for animal communication over about a year and a half to two 106 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,520 years, which is very rare. Most people do an animal 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,080 communication course for not that long, right? 108 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,800 And it was just her and me. So she recognized my, my, my 109 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,960 natural gifts in certain areas of animal communication. 110 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,040 And she kind of threw the book out and said, OK, Lee, let's 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,440 just really go for it. You know, you, you can go deep 112 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,200 into this. And, and that was the beginning. 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,080 And yeah, it was, it was just quite profound. 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,640 So what I started to do was really test it out and I would 115 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,800 get people to write down questions. 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,160 They want their, the questions for me to ask their animal 117 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 family that they knew the answers to. 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,000 And then I would go off and do my little thing. 119 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,400 And it was just accurate, accurate, accurate, accurate. 120 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,080 And I was just like, OK, so really built my confidence up. 121 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,600 And now I've been doing it for so many years and that I just, I 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,600 just love it. Absolutely love it, Jessica. 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,320 So what? How do you actually use your 124 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,840 gifts? What do you do? 125 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:58,720 How do you work with pets and pet parents? 126 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,040 And what? What is it that you provide to 127 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,120 them? Sure. 128 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,840 So I one thing that Ioffer is ioffer standalone animal 129 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:11,240 communication sessions and where we can ask the animal what it is 130 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,880 that they want to share. So I do that without asking the, 131 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,200 uh, the people any questions. I don't want to know anything. 132 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,560 I just want to have a pure download from the animal. 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Umm, and then that's a very, that's a liberation, OK. 134 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Animals will relax once their, their voices have been heard, 135 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,400 especially if there is something really wrong, you know, they're 136 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,480 acting out or they're not physically well or they're, 137 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,440 they're unwell and we don't even realize it because animals are 138 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,400 so good at hiding their, their symptoms. 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,320 So that's one way that I help people is to just open up the 140 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,560 channels of communication back and forth and the animals give 141 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,520 insights for their person as well. 142 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,760 I always say, like, what is it you want them to know? 143 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,600 And they seem to really ever since the get go, Jessica, like 144 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,120 I'm not the type of animal communicator that will go, well, 145 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,320 what's your favorite toy? OK, they want to be petted this 146 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,360 way and, you know, make sure you leave the door open. 147 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Like it's not that's not what none of that has ever come true 148 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,440 for me. I respect that. 149 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,520 But I've just always been a little bit different. 150 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,600 And what happens is it's a soul to soul communication. 151 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:18,520 So you usually within the 1st 15 minutes at the most, people are 152 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,200 crying in my animal communication sessions because 153 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,280 what the animals have said for their person resonates so deeply 154 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,600 in their heart and so deeply in their soul. 155 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,520 It's like they're like, I can't believe they know that about me. 156 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,120 And it's all done with gentleness and reverence and 157 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,080 love. And, you know, it's all very 158 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,320 yeah. We, I look after people because 159 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,440 it is big, because the animals have a superhighway to our 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,560 heart, umm, so they'll share like personal growth areas, 161 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:48,360 things like that. And that's just like quite very 162 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,880 profound for people. And I always encourage them to 163 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,440 really listen to it. Umm, And then of course the 164 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,920 animal then will share if they've anything going on 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,360 physically, mentally, emotionally or spiritually. 166 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,280 So that's one side of it. But sometimes, umm, when I'm 167 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,760 working with people, we realize and we recognize together that 168 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,640 the animal needs deeper support. Like they really need internal 169 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,480 healing. So in my animal communication 170 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,400 journey, umm, I was getting frustrated in the sense that I 171 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,760 could see there was something wrong with the animals, but I 172 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,240 didn't have the tools then to follow it up like this. 173 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,120 You can say things, but how can I actually heal them? 174 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,120 So I, I trained in, uh, Chinese medicine for animals, 5 175 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,840 elements, Chinese medicine, acupressure, herbs, essential 176 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,720 oils, flour, essences, energy healing and it's, I'm 177 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,680 continually evolving. So now I I can incorporate what 178 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:41,320 the animals are asking us for help with and then actually take 179 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,400 action on it and do Chinese medicine, food therapy. 180 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:47,960 So I've got longer 6 month courses where we can go deeper 181 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,920 and then heal the animal and actually heal the person as well 182 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,680 because they always choose flower essences for their people 183 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,920 also. So it becomes like a family 184 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,720 healing. It's very, very profound. 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,720 Well, I will say that I was like tearing up when you were talking 186 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,000 about this like highway that our animals have to our hearts, that 187 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,040 it reminded me of a couple of animal communication sessions 188 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,120 that I've had for some of my pets in the past. 189 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,480 And I just, I don't know, it hit it hit me. 190 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,120 I was like tearing up going Oh no, I can't do this because then 191 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,680 I won't be able to have this conversation. 192 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,680 Bless you. Yeah. 193 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,000 But that is very interesting to me how how our animals have so 194 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:36,520 much insight into US. Like that fascinates me because 195 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,520 I feel like it's for most of us, it's not the other way around. 196 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,920 Like we are like as humans, especially today where we are 197 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,200 just inundated with news and social media and just constantly 198 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,760 being connected to a device versus connected to nature. 199 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,840 Like I just I feel like so many of us don't have insights into 200 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,400 our pets, but the fact that they still do for us. 201 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,440 Just I don't know that that touches touches my heart. 202 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:10,400 But how can you explain how you feel that that like is like how 203 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,520 our pets have such an understanding that we don't or 204 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,840 that we don't tap into maybe? Yeah, it's a good question. 205 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,840 I feel that animals are naturally able to be more in the 206 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,600 present moment. So if you think about it, the 207 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,280 dog or the cat or the horse aren't going to worry about 208 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,000 paying the mortgage, right? What's going to happen when the 209 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,520 mortgage comes in? Now, I would say like in my 210 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,760 experience, I do think that they can, when they have a trauma, 211 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,320 they can worry about the past repeating itself and they can 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,560 over respond to certain stimuli because there's an imbalance 213 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,080 there for them. But in the most part, like 214 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:52,960 they're, they're much more in the moment. 215 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:58,040 And therefore I feel if you are in the present moment, you are 216 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 more able to read the room, you're more able to read what's 217 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,440 going on. So there's that side of it. 218 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,560 But also what I think most people don't realize is animals, 219 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,720 how I see them. Umm, can are telepathic, right? 220 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,640 So like when babies are born, all of us as babies, we're 221 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,640 highly telepathic. OK, mind to mind communication 222 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,440 and animals are and when they're born, I believe are highly 223 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,800 telepathic. Then us humans grow up and we 224 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,280 learn to speak, you know, the languages that we speak. 225 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,960 So that part for the most part goes asleep. 226 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,800 You can't wake it up again. And then with the animals, of 227 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,240 course, they, they stay telepathic because that's how 228 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,000 they can communicate with each other. 229 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,000 So therefore they're reading our thoughts all the time, reading 230 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,680 our heart energy all the time. And also like going back to 231 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,160 science, like if you think about the amount of animals that are 232 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,800 now therapeutic animals, they're able to, to let people know if 233 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,440 they're right to have a seizure, you know, because they can read 234 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,200 what's going on in the body so much and all the other magical 235 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,120 things they could do, all the equine therapy horses, these 236 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,360 gifts to all of us. So they have this immense 237 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,000 ability to track US. And also what I would say to 238 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,320 people is, is that animals understand every word we say. 239 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,920 And so when we're talking around them, they understand it. 240 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,720 So they're sitting there listening to everything. 241 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,240 So they have like a multifaceted way of dialing into us. 242 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,200 And then the other kind of, I think what's the icing on the 243 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,000 cake is that if we think about how we are as humans around our 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,760 animals, we are mostly, we're going to be ourselves. 245 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,640 We're not going to hide stuff, right? 246 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:38,160 If we're having a bad day, we're not going to hide it. 247 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,760 We're just going to be in a bad day. 248 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,800 And then they'll cuddle up and make us feel better. 249 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,920 But yeah, usually if they're that kind of an animal, not all 250 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,720 are. And what what happens then is 251 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,640 because we are 100% ourselves around them, they get to see our 252 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,000 authentic selves even more. So they're using all those tools 253 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,920 to tap in and we're completely revealing ourselves to them. 254 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Then it's just like, how could they not know us? 255 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,440 How could they not see our blind spots? 256 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,160 How could they not know us better than we know ourselves? 257 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:15,120 Do you think that animals are brought into our lives or vice 258 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,720 versa for a reason? Do you like? 259 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,120 I hear a lot about soul contracts. 260 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Is that something that you work with or that you believe in? 261 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,000 100%, I believe in it. I think there's no accident that 262 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,040 an animal comes into our lives. And the way I approach it in my 263 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,960 work is as I say, well, how is this animal mirroring you? 264 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,760 OK, So often the animals will mirror us in terms of their 265 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,880 imbalances. So if you're a bit anxious, 266 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,120 chances are your animal friend is a bit anxious. 267 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,000 If you've got digestive issues, chances are they do. 268 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,560 Or maybe they do and you have the start of it and you don't 269 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,560 actually realize. So there's those kind of 270 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 physical mirroring and then there's the emotional mirroring 271 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,160 as well. Like if you are grieving, for 272 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,960 example, right, and an animal comes into your life at the time 273 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,240 when you're in a grief state, chances are that animal has some 274 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,440 grief going on from their life as well. 275 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,160 Like, and you'd be surprised guys, like, you know, I was 276 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,320 working with a little dog there who's a sag dog. 277 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,960 And I could see the dog was sad from the get go just looking at 278 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,600 the photos. And when we asked the dog, you 279 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,880 know, well, what is it like? And he, he, the dog just put 280 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,920 the, the, the feeling straight away of unresolved grief into my 281 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,040 heart. And I said, there's grief here. 282 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,960 And the dog was saying that that she felt that when the way she 283 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,480 was taken away from her mom as a pup was too sudden and she never 284 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,960 really got over that separation. And then it turns out that the 285 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,680 person who took her on at that point was grieving their parent. 286 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,040 So, so even though they came at different ages, like the dog was 287 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,560 a bit older and whatnot, they're still at some point that that 288 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,800 point on the road where you meet each other, there's going to be 289 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,360 some kind of a soul contract, some kind of a mirror, even if 290 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 your stories have been separate up until that point. 291 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,120 And then there's the mirroring that goes on as you get to know 292 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,160 each other. So sometimes you'll have a dog, 293 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,480 for example, that's fine when the person first gets them and 294 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,920 then over six month period to start to arise as they start to 295 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,600 be get reactive on the lead, like that's a huge 1 or some 296 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,640 other imbalance that goes on. And then you find, lo and 297 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,560 behold, when you dig a little bit deeper, the guardian at the 298 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,280 other end of the lead is reactive like they've they're 299 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,480 afraid and there's something going on. 300 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,960 So, so they've literally sent it down the lead and then the 301 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,040 animal absorbs it, mirrors it back and says, you need to look 302 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,120 at this. Umm, and if we have the ability 303 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,640 to look at that and we have the, you know, the openness of our 304 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 minds and the, and the willingness to grow and listen 305 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,680 to the animals, we can turn things around for them so much 306 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,640 quicker. And we can, you know, repair 307 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,640 their, their level of Wellness, start to enjoy our walks again. 308 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,360 Like, I mean, there's, there's, there's so many things that I 309 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,000 have worked with, with animals where you, when you use this 310 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,280 mirroring to heal mental, emotional, physical or spiritual 311 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,319 imbalances that does come from a soul contract, I believe, you 312 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:14,200 know, you can get results where the vets are like, how did you 313 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,359 do that, Lisa? And I'm like, well, you heal 314 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:19,800 everybody, you know? Yeah. 315 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,960 Well, I actually would love to talk a little bit more about 316 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,920 that leash reactivity, but before we do that, I just want 317 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,640 to kind of close blows out a thought that I was having as you 318 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,720 were talking because it's been a while since I've had a new pet 319 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,360 come into my life this. Well, I say this year, 2025 was 320 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,120 a huge for a lot of people. It was, you know, a nine year. 321 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,440 It was the year of the snake. Everybody was shedding. 322 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:55,600 I personally went through a huge transformation and in part of 323 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,920 that transformation, kind of almost as some of the things 324 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:04,280 were coming to a close, I sold my house in one state and was 325 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,960 like, we were driving back from one state to another state with 326 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,200 a huge U-Haul. And my, my, my boyfriend was 327 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:19,160 with me and a little kitten decided to find us when we were 328 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,280 walking around on one of the pit stops we took. 329 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:28,640 And as much as I would love to say like I was in a huge 330 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,080 transition state, this kitten found me when I need. 331 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,360 Like, I don't actually believe that's true. 332 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,880 I truly believe that this kitten found my boyfriend that he 333 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,440 needed this kitten. And I just see like a bond that 334 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,840 they have that I don't like, I'm not jealous of it or anything 335 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:54,200 like that, but I see it. And this kitten pushes my 336 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,680 boyfriend's buttons like like nothing else. 337 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,960 Like literally he will like almost have a nervous breakdown 338 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,800 over this kitten. And I'm like, I just keep 339 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,600 telling him like his name, the kitten, his name is Camden. 340 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,440 And I'm like, we, I keep telling him Camden chose you. 341 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,200 And even though this is like really, really tough for you, I 342 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,760 feel like he is pushing your buttons for a reason. 343 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,480 And there there's something that you're supposed to be getting 344 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,280 from this relationship. And I know that if like for my 345 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,120 boyfriend, he's like, that's, that's like way about, you know, 346 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:36,400 that not to say that that men don't have this connection with 347 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,680 animals, but I feel like women find that connection with 348 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,120 animals easier. So a lot of men, at least in my 349 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,960 life, are, are not, they're like, they just say no, They're 350 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,040 like, no, that's crazy. You're crazy. 351 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,360 I don't have any but, and, and he is very open to what I'm 352 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:57,320 saying, but he still is like, yeah, right, yeah, right. 353 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,440 And I'm like, no, this kitten is pushing your buttons for a 354 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,560 reason. And you know, like, let's just, 355 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,760 let's just work, work through, work through it, work through. 356 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,040 I've actually spoken to another animal communicator because he 357 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080 has gotten to the point where he's like, I don't know what to 358 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,200 do with this kitten anymore. And I'm like, all right, let's 359 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,600 talk to a friend of mine who is an animal communicator and just 360 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,160 to try to. Like I don't know me, I was kind 361 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,720 of hoping that it would make him realize that like it's not just 362 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,280 him that the kitten has frustrations to the kitten is 363 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,120 going through all of these changes to like, I don't even 364 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,080 know, but that's kind of my my story about. 365 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320 Yeah, and it's great that you recognize that the cat was for 366 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,760 him, right? And like, that's. 367 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,400 Yeah, cats are incredible. Like because they will go to all 368 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,200 sorts of lengths and to get your attention, like they'll pee on 369 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,000 your pillow and. I've had that, I have had that. 370 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,560 I have. I had a cat one time. 371 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,240 He actually, it's only been a couple of years since he passed 372 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,520 away, but I literally like he was great for a number of years 373 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,920 and then all of a sudden, which you know, me being me, like 374 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,400 I've, I've finally figured out there was another animal coming 375 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,920 in the yard. And that kind of like started 376 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,280 him spraying. Even though he was neutered and 377 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,960 had been for a while. He started spraying and it got 378 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,640 to the point where I had to keep him in a separate area of the 379 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,440 house and that area of the house was covered in puppy pads 380 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,160 because all he did all day and all night was spray. 381 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,080 And I would like, I would literally on multiple occasions 382 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,680 I would just be on the floor in a ball crying because I'm like, 383 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,880 I can't handle this anymore. I don't know how to help you. 384 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,840 And I get it. I get that cat saw. 385 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,920 Yeah, they will push every button you have. 386 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,160 Totally, like, totally. And they're quite incredible 387 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,640 because they're so they're also very agile. 388 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,840 So it's like, you know, the dog, you kind of just put the dog 389 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 downstairs or in the cat, the cattle find a way, you come up 390 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,280 the window, start meowing. Actually, yeah. 391 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,680 You know, they're, they're mighty, mighty healers in that 392 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,200 way. Mighty healers. 393 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:22,000 But they are, you know, I tangent again, you know, I have 394 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,960 been. So my boyfriend has only ever 395 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,400 had one pet in his life, which is another cat that he does 396 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,480 still currently have. She's 8 years old and it's the 397 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,160 only pet he's ever had in his life. 398 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,280 And he's 50 years old. And so he's learning a lot. 399 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:42,560 And so I've been trying to tell him a lot of the things about 400 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,640 cats, like, and it was interesting just the other night 401 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,920 I was like, you realize, like they can change the hurts of 402 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,040 their purr and actually heal bone. 403 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,040 And he was like, what? Yeah. 404 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,800 It's really amazing what they can do. 405 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,520 Yeah. And he lost with their power, 406 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,920 right? Yes. 407 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,040 Yeah, yes. Oh, my goodness. 408 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,280 But yeah, I do think that as much as the kitten follows me 409 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,040 around and does all the things with me too, I truly believe 410 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,280 that that the he, he, he's my boyfriend's guy. 411 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,840 Yeah. Truly believe that? 412 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Yeah, I would like, I have, I still have so many questions 413 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,840 about what you do, but I would love just because you brought up 414 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,120 the leash reactivity with dogs. That is a huge issue. 415 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,720 And I was a dog trainer for a while. 416 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,760 I don't really do it anymore. I just, I didn't love it the way 417 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,160 I thought I was going to love it because it's people training, 418 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,680 not dog training, right? Like that. 419 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,120 That's the truth of it. And people are a lot harder to 420 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:54,320 train than dogs. But the leash reactivity, it is 421 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,160 it, it almost always is the other end of the leash, the 422 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:02,600 person that's holding the leash. So how I'm just curious like how 423 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,240 you communicate that to your clients. 424 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:12,080 And obviously every case is different, but what are some of 425 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,760 the things, because you have a lot of training and like, you 426 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,560 know, Chinese medicine, the flower essences, I would imagine 427 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,840 can be very helpful for people. How do you, how do you tend to 428 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,520 address that with people? Yeah, so. 429 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,360 What I do is like, I'm very upfront in all my materials and 430 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,800 everything that this is about, you know, if you're going to 431 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,760 work with me on a deeper level, it's about looking at yourself 432 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,720 and looking at, at the animal as well. 433 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,800 So I don't put, I don't like dance around that issue. 434 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,440 I'm just like, if you're, if you're riding a horse, it's 435 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,480 going to be you and the horse, you know, and it's so, so I just 436 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,520 don't, I just, I'm very honest. So because of that, I think I 437 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,920 attract in people that are probably ready to hear it. 438 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,240 But at this, you know, but at the same time, I am gentle with 439 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,880 it, right, Because it's like what I do is I, I'm also teach 440 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,480 meditation, right? So I've got just so many 441 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,000 meditations and I, I create that I've created and recorded and 442 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,000 I've got meditations. I've got one particular 443 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 meditation that I would use and this would be on my deeper 444 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,040 program. It's a mirroring meditation 445 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080 where it's, it's the type of meditation, it's called insight, 446 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,080 where, umm, you ask a question and then you give the person 447 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,600 listening obviously time to think the answer in their head 448 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240 and you take them down a, a journey, a rabbit hole as it 449 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,200 was, and to really understand who they were when this animal 450 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,800 came into their life. Umm, and in that exact moment, 451 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,360 what was going on for you? And is there any mirroring that 452 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,640 you can see there? And, and, and, and now it goes 453 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040 much, much deeper. And usually by the time they 454 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,080 come out of that, that meditation, it's almost like 455 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,440 they've, they've taught themselves that this is coming 456 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280 from me. I can see now I will have talked 457 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,400 them around it, I will have supported them. 458 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,720 And then when I give them the meditation, it's usually about 459 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,040 month 3 when we're working together, they are ready for it. 460 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,560 And I would say 99% of my clients just really run with it. 461 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,440 It's, it's just this light bulb moment. 462 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,160 And so then what I do is I say, OK, so now you see, I said it's 463 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,480 like, you know, and they the animal as well, what they do is 464 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000 they'll say self select botanicals for themself. 465 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080 And then they'll, they'll create a booth bespoke essence mix for 466 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,000 their person. And the way I give that essence 467 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560 mix to the people is it's a specific type of, of selection 468 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,640 of essences that tells a specific type of story. 469 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280 I learned it from Tony Pinkhurst from Ainsworth homeopathy in 470 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560 London and just giving him a shout out because he's an 471 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840 amazing man. And, and it tells an emotional 472 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,120 story. So when, when they read that 473 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,800 story, they're like, how does the dog know that that's where 474 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,840 I'm at right now? And I'm like, so, so they'll, 475 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560 they'll have been taking those essences each month, right? 476 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,160 So that's opening them up as well. 477 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240 So by the time they come to the mirroring meditation, they're, 478 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,920 they're ripe for it. They're ready. 479 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,760 And then when I have that, that they have that genuine 480 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,920 understanding, then it's like, you know, when you're on the 481 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,440 walks, who are you? Where are you? 482 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,200 Like I have one, one lady, for example, very big dog that would 483 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,840 would literally pull her over, you know, a very strong dogs, 484 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,000 like they'll just drag you. And it's, it's like, you know, 485 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720 we got her to the point where the dog as well was saying she's 486 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,880 not paying attention. So I'm, I'm pulling her into the 487 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,560 moment and I'm like, wow. And and I say, do you feel more 488 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600 connected to the dog when you're more present to the dog? 489 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,680 And she said, yeah. And I said, OK, you got to 490 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,800 start. You know, I'll give them a 491 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,000 little exercise to do in the garden and just to kind of 492 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,920 continue that communication. So you, Jessica, it's really 493 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,560 about you. You, you hit the nail on the 494 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,080 head. Like dog training is about 495 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,520 training the person. I've never heard it say it that 496 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,800 way, but I'm going to steal that. 497 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,760 It's so good. Like it's so good. 498 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,400 And and so it's really about helping the person take 499 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,480 responsibility for what's going down the lead. 500 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240 And once they can do that, of course the animals are going to 501 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,640 be out of balance as well. They still have their story. 502 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,480 So, but it, it lifts a huge amount of responsibility off the 503 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760 animal in terms of them having to constantly mirror back stuff 504 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080 because they feel heard, seen, recognized, and they know action 505 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,120 is happening. And then it's like, it's like a 506 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,720 break in the clouds. The sun starts to shine in 507 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,720 moments and the person starts to see calm moments on the walk. 508 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,000 And then they recognize God, they were calm when I was calm. 509 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,680 Or all of a sudden the dog will just pass another dog and not 510 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,280 react. And then they'll react and then 511 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000 they'll kind of go, oh God, it really is me like, and the dogs 512 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,160 will just look at them like, it's amazing. 513 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,200 You just literally let the animals as well play their role 514 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,360 in it. And so it's not a quick fix and 515 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,720 it's really tricky. It can be a very tricky fix 516 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,520 because it depends on the, the depth of the trauma in the 517 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,680 person, you know, and it really does and, and how how much 518 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,080 they're able to cope with on the healing process and how long. 519 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280 So even though I work with clients for six months, I've got 520 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,360 clients that will be 1 to one me for a year and a half to two 521 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,800 years because there's there's that level of, of imbalance that 522 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600 we have to bring down. And this is the reactive dogs 523 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,520 I'm talking about that you have to bring it down, down, down. 524 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760 And then the dog will come up and meet them. 525 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360 But that's, yeah, that's how I do it. 526 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,440 Like it's, it's a process. Yeah, that's incredible. 527 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,840 So how do you said you also trained in PCBM but like 5 528 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,040 elements and so how do you utilize that as part of your 529 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,560 practice? Yeah, it's, it's just, it's just 530 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,800 incredible this. And like, I feel from my 531 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,480 experience of all the stuff that I've learned over the years and 532 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000 being exposed to hand in my heart, I think Chinese medicine 533 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000 is the most powerful diagnostic tool available to us. 534 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040 It's thousands and thousands and thousands of years older than 535 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,520 modern medicine. And because it has that really 536 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840 powerful diagnostic way of seeing basically, I mean, the 537 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240 patterns. OK, So you can recognize by 538 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,240 what's going on in the body and in the mind which of the organs 539 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000 is driving that imbalance. And when you know which of the 540 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,520 organs is driving the imbalance, you can then figure out, well, 541 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,840 what is the subtle pattern? Is the liver involved? 542 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520 Is it the spleen, pancreas, or is it just the kidneys and the 543 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920 spleen? And, and when you can see that 544 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,040 kind of where, where the imbalance is coming from, then 545 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,400 you can be much more tailored in what botanicals you use, what 546 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,480 herbs you use, what Chinese medicine, food therapy that you 547 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400 use. And you'll find that like if I 548 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,480 get the people to make up a, a doggy Stew and that is one that 549 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,840 the animal has selected for themselves and that is going to 550 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,880 work on, say their kidneys, they will, if that animal has been 551 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,960 having a picky appetite and you put that food down in front of 552 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560 them, they recognize that that is their healing meal. 553 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,600 It's like a herb and a bowl, but it's actually a Stew of organs 554 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,960 and veg and things like that. And they will wolf it up. 555 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,680 And what happens then is they will eat that food until they no 556 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560 longer need it. And then they'll go off it just 557 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,720 like they do the herbs, essential oils. 558 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160 When they're self selecting and self medicating. 559 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400 They know what they need and for how long. 560 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,040 And when they stop having that food, then I'll go back in and 561 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,240 I'll look at their pattern and the China and I'll go and think, 562 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,120 well, what other meal might they need now? 563 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440 And then I'll ask the yams, you want this one, this one, I'll 564 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680 have that one. And then so then they go on this 565 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,160 really deep healing process. So, so, so I would say for me, 566 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,520 like the also what the Chinese medicine enables me to do is 567 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,440 track how the animal is doing. So the first time I do one of 568 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200 the deeper readings, I will ask the animal to show me. 569 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,160 This is all, all my work is done remotely by the way, all I've 570 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,960 got, most of my clients are American and Irish, umm, I'm 571 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200 based in Ireland. And what, what happens is at the 572 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440 start of the reading, they'll show me which of their meridians 573 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,080 are out of balance and that's the energy flow into the organs. 574 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680 You've got the left side of the body meridians and the right 575 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,360 one. And they'll show me where, what 576 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160 their pictures last like a snapshot of their Wellness, but 577 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,080 a very detailed 1. And I kind of go, OK, see what's 578 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,160 going on here. And then I say, well, what is 579 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,960 the Meridian, the priority Meridian you want us to go in 580 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080 through? And then we'll work with that 581 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,960 one. It'll help balance the other 582 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440 ones and it'll show me what botanicals it is you need this 583 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,840 month and then you repeat that process each month. 584 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800 So by the time at the end of the say the six month period, you've 585 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920 tracked how they're doing. And as long as I can see that 586 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,600 the meridians are becoming more and more into balance each 587 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 month, no matter what else is going on, I know that deeper 588 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,200 healing is happening. And it might take a while to 589 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480 show on the surface whether it's a physical or emotional or 590 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,160 mental imbalance, but I know we're headed in the right 591 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960 direction. And so it's like, I even read 592 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,000 blood tests, like, you know, because of my science 593 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,640 background, I read blood tests, umm, for animals using Chinese 594 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,440 medicine, uh, principles. Umm, So my vet friends have a 595 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520 lot of vet friends that are my besties. 596 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,320 They get me to read their animal bloods for their fluffs. 597 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880 And they're like, how did you see that in the bloods? 598 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040 And I, well, of course, see the liver, see the speed because 599 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,080 they look at bloods and kind of go, yeah, all above parameters, 600 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,680 all normal. And I'd be like, now hang on a 601 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,640 second. I said like, well, if you think 602 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840 about, because, because in, that's again, it comes back to 603 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800 way Chinese medicine is able to see patterns. 604 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600 It's a pattern. And when you can see the pattern 605 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,960 and and you start to recognize in the blood what different 606 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,440 patterns look like or you might have a suspicion, you go, you 607 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,840 know, I might think could be the liver. 608 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120 And I actually think the liver is a bit Yang deficient. 609 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600 And then you look at the bloods. You see the liver parameters are 610 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,160 on the floor and you kind of go bang. 611 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,800 And then you've got real confidence. 612 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200 You kind of go, yeah, look, we're going to go this way. 613 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,520 I can work without bloods as well because some animals do not 614 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,880 like the vets, but most pretty sick animals usually have had 615 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,440 bloods done even within some kind of a decent time frame. 616 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,600 And it's, yeah, it's so I use it in so many ways. 617 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,440 Like it's incredible. It is. 618 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,440 I find Chinese medicine just fascinating. 619 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360 And I was so wrapped up in your story that I'm like, what do I 620 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,360 say next? I've got I've got something else 621 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,080 that I can share. Then I've got something else. 622 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,400 Yeah, yeah. And so the other, the other side 623 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,440 of, of the Chinese medicine that I use is the five elements. 624 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520 OK. So the five elements are like 625 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,760 the personalities and the constitutional personalities. 626 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440 So you've got you've got fire, earth, metal, water and wood. 627 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,159 And again, this is very, very profound, right. 628 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,639 So I'm going to give you an example. 629 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,280 A lot of the time animals may have certain characteristics 630 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,760 that people misread as almost like the animal doesn't like 631 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,480 them. So some animals, if they're a 632 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,480 fire or an Earth, there could be quite cuddly animals. 633 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,160 They love to snuggle up, you know, they're just all over it. 634 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,560 Probably a little bit too much sometimes if it's a little bit 635 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,600 out of balance. But then you've got animals, say 636 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560 for example, like the metals and the waters, and they can be 637 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,440 quite aloof and they can be quite boundary. 638 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400 They want their own space, you know, and they can get, and some 639 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080 of them can get a bit insulted and the, the waters can get 640 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,680 quite fearful. And you just find like, what 641 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,240 does this animal not like me? And if you think about like the 642 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,800 water elements, for example, they really need their own 643 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600 space. Water is the kidneys and the 644 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360 bladder. OK, so water elements, their 645 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,440 overriding emotion is fear because fear lives in the 646 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,280 kidneys and and the bladder. So if you have an out of balance 647 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,680 water element animal that's very, very nervous and fearful, 648 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920 the worst thing you can do is try and get them through their 649 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,800 fear by give exposing them to their triggers. 650 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440 This is when I get animals that have just been messed up by 651 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,920 training, you know, messed up because it doesn't not the same 652 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,240 path works for every animal. And these animals are the most 653 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,080 unpredictable. They're definitely the ones that 654 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,920 can bite you or plant you to the wall if it's a horse. 655 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360 And what happens is if you think about the element of water, 656 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,520 water like the ocean, the ocean goes out, the tide goes out and 657 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640 there's nothing we can do. We have to wait for that tide to 658 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160 come back in again. So if you think about a water 659 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,240 element, those animals will just, they'll literally 660 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,320 disappear. You're like, where is the cat? 661 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,720 I just can't find them because they found some hidey hole that 662 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,840 they're just gone. The tide has gone out. 663 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,760 Umm, or the dog just wants to sit in the spare room. 664 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,120 Umm and you're watching telly and they just want to be in the 665 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,920 spare room because the tide is out. 666 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,240 They need their space, they need to process whatever it is and if 667 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040 at some point the title come back in and the animal will 668 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,920 start to come back again and you'll suddenly the cattle 669 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,320 appear. So, so these, these, these five 670 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,440 elements characteristics really help us decode who an animal is, 671 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,400 umm, and also what their genuine triggers are because there's 672 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,920 like the kidneys rule, for example, rule the health of the 673 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,560 ears because their job is to bathe the ears with the fluids. 674 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920 OK, so to keep the ears in balance. 675 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640 And what can happen is when the kidneys are off, uh, our kidneys 676 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,760 all get tired as we get older, we start to go a bit deaf if 677 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,320 we've got tinnitus, tinnitus can be from a kidney imbalance and a 678 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,040 lot of water element animals even at a young age will show a 679 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,120 phobia to noise, fireworks, umm, you know, all, whatever it is 680 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,960 that triggers them noise wise. And then as senior animals get 681 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,880 older, they can get, umm, noise sensitivities to things like 682 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,880 knives and forks on the table or the dishwasher, all this kind. 683 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,720 And that's the tinnitus there. It's literally, it's literally, 684 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,200 it hurts them to hear and they might start shake and things 685 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560 like that. So, so you can have a water 686 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200 element constitution, uh, personality, but you can also 687 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,440 have a water element imbalance that starts to, uh, show up as 688 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,480 they get older because water element is the winter stage of 689 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,400 life. And I just focused on that 690 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,120 element. You could do that with all the 691 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,640 other ones. You could talk about all of 692 00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,200 them, but I, I think the reason I picked the waters is because 693 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080 they're the most understood and they're the easiest animals for 694 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520 us humans to mess up. And if an animal is deeply, 695 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,080 deeply fearful of something, you got to listen to that and not 696 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,000 try and make them brave enough to get through it. 697 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Like just, you know, it's, it's just and it becomes dangerous 698 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,720 then because because of water element, if they feel corners, 699 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,240 they will bite and then they're in trouble. 700 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,720 You're in trouble and things can escalate, you know? 701 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,200 Yeah, yeah, that is so true. So I have, I have a cat who is 702 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,720 very much a water cat. And he, he, he has been tricky 703 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,400 his whole life, his whole life. And what's interesting, I was, I 704 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:48,200 was, as you were saying that he he's 17 and about a year, a year 705 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,440 and a half ago, I started noticing his hearing was 706 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680 diminishing. He was starting to lose his 707 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400 hearing. And of course, I mean, and this 708 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,040 happens with cats anyway as they age, like they almost all are 709 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520 going to get kidney disease. But it was right on that same 710 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160 track with him losing his hearing is when his kidney 711 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,960 values started to to increase. And so, yeah, but he has been a 712 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,920 very like that typical scaredy cat that that people think of 713 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,760 like that has been him his whole life. 714 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,800 But I also, I find it fascinating even for us humans 715 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,120 because I know I don't I'm, I'm still learning a lot in in 716 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,520 Chinese medicine, but I like just my personality. 717 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,240 I struggle with other I, I struggle with people who have a 718 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,880 wood personality. I am, I, I get frustrated by 719 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:49,360 them very easily, very easily. And I find myself like quicker 720 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,800 to anger with people who have a wood personality. 721 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,520 And what's your constitution? I don't know that's I have a 722 00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,920 really hard time figuring out my own constitution because I feel 723 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,960 like I feel like I waffle all the time. 724 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,880 Between things. But I do know that about myself, 725 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,560 about with wood personalities, I struggle with wood 726 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,800 personalities. I have I have somebody in my 727 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,520 life who I work with who is a wood personality and I didn't, I 728 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:27,560 didn't realize why I had so much of A struggle with her until a 729 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,160 couple of years ago. I talked to Doctor Judy Morgan, 730 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,520 who is a wood personality, and I was like, I get it. 731 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:42,600 I just clicked with me. I was like, I get it now I get 732 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,440 it. I get it. 733 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,600 They're very, very strong. Yeah. 734 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,080 Personalities. For me, I would imagine every 735 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,200 element interacts with the other elements a little differently, 736 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,920 but for me I have a very hard time with personality people. 737 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480 Yeah, it is. It's really, it's really cool. 738 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840 Like my, my friend is I, I'm wood fire. 739 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,000 OK, so I'm probably more, some come across much more fiery. 740 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640 Yeah, but there's. Yeah, but there's a wood there. 741 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,600 And my friend. My friend is metal and I melt 742 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,240 her head. Yeah. 743 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,720 When I'm all firing, excited, she has to limit how much time 744 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,040 she spends around me. She's like, I can only do you in 745 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,120 two hours slots, she said. Then you just melt my head like 746 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,280 I'm like, well, we understand each other, you know? 747 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,440 That's funny, Yeah. But I do find Chinese medicine 748 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,120 just so fascinating because as much as, you know, modern 749 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:47,880 medicine kind of well, and we have been, we've been 750 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:54,080 indoctrinated to kind of brush off all of the, the old ways, 751 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,240 right? The homeopathy and, and 752 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,480 anything, anything spiritual really, like energetic. 753 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,400 We've been taught that, you know, it doesn't work, it's 754 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,000 fake, blah, blah, blah. So it's hard, it can be hard to 755 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,720 get people to kind of open up and just give it a chance. 756 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,760 And Chinese medicine, I feel like falls in that that 757 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,480 category, but it's so right. It's so like dead on. 758 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,440 Even like if you compare it to Western medicine, if in the ways 759 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:37,160 you're able to, even though like Western medicine is very like it 760 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,480 compartmentalized and, but, but I do think like there's, 761 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,040 there's, there's a lot of overlap that we can say see. 762 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,320 No, they've, they've had it right this whole side. 763 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,000 Like, even though they didn't know the the the body and in a 764 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,240 way that we know it now with, you know, the way they really 765 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,760 had it right, I think. Oh, they did. 766 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040 And a lot of the knowledge came from from meditations and 767 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,440 downloads and things like that. You know, they, it was this, 768 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,680 this, this knowledge of Chinese medicine isn't really of this 769 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,240 Earth, you know, it's, that's how profound it is and how ahead 770 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,240 of if it's time it is like, and, and I, you know, I would say 771 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,120 that like also, I just want to make a note that when we talk 772 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,960 about Chinese medicine, sometimes people think we mean 773 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,080 that we're going to be using herbs that include animal parts 774 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,360 of these exotic animals and things like that. 775 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,120 Like there's very much, I follow very much a vegan path and 776 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,280 within Chinese medicine and I, you know, use vegan herbs and 777 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,160 things like that. So as animal lovers listening to 778 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200 this, you know, for everybody listening like there is a way to 779 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,360 dive into this world and not cause harm, you know, Yeah, I. 780 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,440 Think. It's hard to say that. 781 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,880 No, that's I hadn't really thought of that, but that makes 782 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,360 sense that people might they. Do. 783 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,120 Yeah, some people are. Yeah, yeah. 784 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Yeah, no, because there definitely are some practices 785 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,320 that I I, I know I can't get behind, especially with, you 786 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,040 know, harming animals and and especially like endangered 787 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,800 animals. And yeah, so, yeah, thank you 788 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,760 for that. Well, goodness, like this is 789 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,920 just so fascinating and I love that you work one-on-one with 790 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,360 people so that they can like, I feel like that provides the most 791 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,960 benefit, even though it's, it's hard. 792 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560 Like I get it because I work one-on-one with people and it's 793 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,280 hard. It's time consuming. 794 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,760 You almost can't charge enough to actually make a return on the 795 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,400 time that you're putting into it. 796 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,120 As a practitioner, it's hard to scale because it's you, like 797 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,520 you're the commodity, right? Absolutely. 798 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,360 So I get how it's very, very difficult, but so needed because 799 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,560 like, people and pets need it. They need the one-on-one 800 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,720 support. I think especially because we're 801 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,720 just so disconnected from nature, from how we're supposed 802 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,720 to be living in the world, how we were designed to be living in 803 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,920 the world. And the fact that, you know, our 804 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,120 pets, our dogs and our cats, it is so unnatural the way we ask 805 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,480 them to live. Yeah, that it is so needed. 806 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,840 So how? Well, first of all, is there 807 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640 anything else about your practice that you would like to 808 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120 discuss? Or do you have other offerings? 809 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,880 Do you have like, community or do you teach anything or. 810 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080 I don't know, I'm just. Yeah, at the moment I'm just 811 00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,040 taking a little bit of a sabbatical from teaching. 812 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,120 I was teaching over the last three years, I had like a 813 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,680 membership program, but I've just had to take a little step 814 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,520 back, a little rest. And, but what I have on my, my 815 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,960 website is I have little short online courses and that if 816 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960 people want to just kind of drop in just where I've given a 817 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,240 little master class, say on flea and tick, uh, treatments that 818 00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,000 are, you know, holistic ones versus chemical ones. 819 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520 And there's one talks there on how to support an animal at the 820 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,480 end of life and through grief, how to really understand dog 821 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960 food and cat food. And so I've got these real 822 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,360 simple, but actually really needed kind of courses that 823 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600 people who just dip in and out of if they want to, that are 824 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,360 super affordable and, you know, have huge resources around them 825 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,400 as well to empower people. So yeah, at the moment I'm in a 826 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680 bit of a, a rest period around the teaching, but I, I think so 827 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,040 something is cooking in me, but I'm just in hibernation mode at 828 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,480 the moment and I love that. Yeah. 829 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,360 So how can people find you? Where? 830 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,880 Where can they find you? Sure. 831 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,440 And my website is animal healing dot IE for Ireland and that's 832 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,120 the best place to find me because there's so many free 833 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,360 resources on there. I give free meditations, free 834 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,840 master classes and just lots of stuff that's tons of blogs, so 835 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,880 many podcasts, so people can really, really deep dive and 836 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,760 get, get a lot of resources from there as well as actually 837 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480 learning about my stuff. So I always prefer because I'm 838 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,760 not, I am on social media and things like that. 839 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,120 Absolutely. But I, I, I don't know, I'm kind 840 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,360 of at loggerheads with at the moment because here I am trying 841 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,400 to heal people from their anxiety so as that it heals the 842 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080 animals, right and heal people from their imbalances. 843 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,760 And if I'm feeding and driving that by getting them to 844 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960 constantly scroll, it's just, it's just, it's just 845 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080 counterintuitive to what I'm on this earth to do so. 846 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,440 And so the best way to get me is get onto my website, get onto my 847 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,440 mailing list, and let's let's connect and actually have 848 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,280 conversations with each other properly. 849 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,960 Yeah, awesome. Well, Lisa, thank you so much 850 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200 for being here. Thank you for what you do and 851 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,760 for helping us understand a little bit better what you do. 852 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,880 And yeah, that was, that was awesome. 853 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,400 I appreciate you guys. Make sure to tune in next week 854 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,880 for another great episode. Until then, please give your 855 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,400 pets some extra love from me and from Lisa this week and I will 856 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,400 talk to you next week.