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But we're talking about what's 
really in your pets food today. 

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And Cara with Raw Paw Adventures
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So I'm just going to get us 
started. 

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Thank you so much for letting me
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You can hear me. 
So Consumer Reports just 

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recently their first ever report
on dog food nutrition. 

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They tested 58 different foods 
for protein, fat, vitamin D, 

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copper and fiber, some of which 
is listed on the bag. 

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So they would like the protein, 
the fat, the fiber they were 

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comparing to make sure like what
was in the food matched what was

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in the bag. 
And there's so there's there's a

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lot. 
This was their first ever report

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on dog food as far as like the 
nutrition doing testing on 

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nutrition of dog food. 
And yeah, So what are your, what

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are your first thought? 
I thought it would just be a 

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good like jumping off point to 
talk about what's in what do, do

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we even actually know what's in 
our dog's food? 

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And I think a lot of times we 
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I think the answer is no, and I 
think that their answer also was

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no once they were done with 
their testing. 

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I think my overall take away 
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I, I if you guys saw I had 
posted, I made a reel on my page

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like last week or something like
that because they made a there 

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were some news reports. 
Is that the word that I'm 

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looking for? 
Some news reports, some news 

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articles, I don't know Anyways, 
where they were, they kind of 

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like took their information from
the written article and they put

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it on the news. 
So I made a little like a little

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blurb of that video, but I think
the answer is that you're not 

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always going to know what's in 
your pet food, which is kind of 

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scary. 
There's a much higher likelihood

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that you're going to know what's
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grade food, right? 
Food grade food, not feed grade 

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food. 
And that that will always be the

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case across the board. 
But what they tested I think are

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important components and they 
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breaking things down. 
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with. 
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disagreed with. 
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they made that I think would be 
good to unpack, but it was a 

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pretty in depth article. 
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although I have to admit because
I didn't have a login for this, 

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it didn't let me go past the 
toward when you were getting to 

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the end where they had the 
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Oh my gosh. 
You should have said something 

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to me because I had it. 
Oh no. 

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Well, you can talk about that. 
OK, well, I actually, they 

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emailed me and so I emailed them
back because I had questions and

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then I couldn't see it. 
So they sent me like how to log 

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in and get it for for press to 
see what was on the on the 

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bottom, which I mean, it's just 
the numbers for everything that 

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they talked about. 
So it's not not a whole lot more

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than what you would get if you 
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when I, I, I mean, I can post 
the link to, to the article in 

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my stories when we're done with 
this, but. 

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For. 
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So I mean, I think it's AI think
it's a good. 

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I'm glad they did it in so far 
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awareness to people about not 
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pets food. 
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many people just kind of walk 
for so many different things, 

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but you know, our our focus 
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They just kind of walk through 
life with like, well, this is 

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the food my vet recommends, and 
so this is what I'm going to 

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feed. 
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those stories about not all, but
most veterinarians just don't, 

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you know, nutrition is an area 
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education. 
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did. 
They just, but they don't. 

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And one of the things that I, 
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going to go on for a second, but
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really, really interesting and 
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again because I was interviewing
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family are like human medical 
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And so when she decided to 
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like, Oh my God, why would you 
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And it reminded me about how 
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and you can attest to this 
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human medical training a lot. 
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when you're going to veterinary 
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everything for a plethora of 
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So it's like, I feel like it is 
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medicine doctors kind of look 
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feel like it should almost be 
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Like, I know, I know so many, so
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But across the board, it doesn't
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veterinarian, a medical doctor, 
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practitioner, physician 
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We get minimal nutrition 
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Minimal. 
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reality. 
And I say, you know, my story 

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all the time is that I started 
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animals. 
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So I was still feeding kibble. 
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I don't want to feed kibble 
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Can you help me? 
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add tomatoes. 
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whole world. 
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thinking like doing every single
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And that that one statement like
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and everything I thought I knew,
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veterinarians to know. 
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research does not that I'm the 
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I think Consumer Reports does a 
decent job of like trying to 

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just put factual information out
into the world for people to 

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make better decisions on 
purchases, regardless of what 

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that is, If it's an automobile 
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whatever. 
And now they're getting into pet

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food as well, which makes sense 
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dollar a year industry. 
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waited this long to do it. 
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So yeah, I don't want to 
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what? 
But you're right, you're right. 

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It's it's in, in so far as 
getting people to start thinking

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about what they're actually 
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Because I think so often I, I 
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people just kind of one off 
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overhearing people talking or 
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which doesn't happen as much 
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Facebook. 
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implicitly trust Purina 
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They have done such a good job 
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And what I found, one of the 
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it wasn't a Purina, it was 
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levels were. 
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acceptable limit for AFCO. 
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I us is what they said in there 
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14,500 and their only response 
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That was their response. 
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That's not even a. 
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emailed Consumer Reports back 
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misunderstood the article, but 
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they, they contacted the FDA on 
something else, what we can talk

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about in a little bit, But I 
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feeling that they contacted the 
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when I was reading the article. 
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them and I was like, WTF, Like 
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whatever or it's going to cause 
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this, these levels of vitamin D 
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in a lot of animals. 
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about that. 
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they did contact the FDA, which 
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be a little bit more forthright.
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information in the article, 
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And the other thing that they 
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finding some listeria. 
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products. 
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it? 
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reads to a consumer who doesn't 
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that, Oh my God, they had to 
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is so horrible. 
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that bad because they're not 
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I could. 
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could be like, oh, there was 
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I don't know, maybe that's good 
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I'm efficient in vitamin D, 
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Like unless you spell out, hey, 
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limit is actually dangerous. 
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And one of the things that they 
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the article, which I completely 
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parents don't know how to read 
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That's true. 
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this and I became a 
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distinctly remember my dog, I 
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error that he had a chicken 
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diarrhea all the time. 
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So I took myself off to PetSmart
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and I went over to the Purina 
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retrievers on the bags because I
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And I said, all right, well, I 
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going to grab lamb and rice 
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Well, if I would have done more 
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the bag, which had cutlets of 
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vegetables on it and flipped it 
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ingredient list, I would have 
seen that that lamb and rice was

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still sprayed with chicken fat. 
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there's, there's no, you can't 
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and take it home. 
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too. 
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human food because really it 
should just be there's human 

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grade food and there's feed 
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So there's real food and there's
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But you know, if you're at the 
grocery store for yourself, it's

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the same thing. 
You can't just look at the 

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pretty picture on the cover. 
It's very deceiving. 

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Yeah, that actually, I don't 
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this before, but because 
there's, there is a push and I, 

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I, I think it's too small of a 
push at this point, But I know 

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Susan Thixon has been working on
this tirelessly to get the FDA 

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in pet food specifically to 
distinguish to, to require the 

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packaging to either say feed her
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But I kind of, I like, I, I feel
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human food too, like. 
There's so much that we need to 

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do with human food. 
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They're they even are giving 
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to writing the carbohydrate 
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So. 
They were until ASCO Until they,

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they didn't renew the MOU the, 
the and so I think from that 

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they said they bumped it up to 
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just last the end of last 
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I think that that happened. 
So it should happen a lot 

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quicker though. 
Who the heck knows right now, 

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right? 
I, I, I don't know, but the 

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other thing sticking on the 
vitamin D is that there was a 

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Stella and Chewy's product that 
had way less vitamin D then, 

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well, not way less, but less 
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AFCO. 
So it it went in both directions

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with vitamin D and. 
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can have degradation of vitamins
and minerals and things that are

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synthetic and in real food if it
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processed or if it's exposed to 
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So I'm not entirely surprised to
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a somewhat lower level. 
I think their level was 250 and 

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the low accepted minimum is 500.
So, you know, it's, I mean, it's

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significant, but I could see why
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even to put more because maybe 
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degrade. 
I don't know if it seems like 

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there must be a better way to do
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Yeah, right. 
I know well and I, I think what 

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concerns me the most about 
Pedigree specifically having the

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five times the maximum allowable
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times in the past these huge, 
huge calls from what ultimately 

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winds up being what we find out 
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testing the premix, the vitamin 
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they're getting prior to using 
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like in the past handful of 
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we talk a lot about how we feel 
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companies, but the recalls on 
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less. 
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talked about this, but that 
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it's not just, oh, let's attack 
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It's like favoritism to 
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have the best interest of your, 
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always important to remember 
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food doesn't mean it's an 
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The companies that Cara and I 
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exceptional products, but you 
still have to do your research 

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even with a raw food company, 
because there are raw foods out 

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there that still use and and 
fresh foods that you get in the 

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refrigerated section that use 
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that are. 
So that's still an issue. 

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You still have to be careful, 
but I think I don't. 

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Would you like to talk more 
about what people should be 

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looking for or I don't know. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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No, let's do that. 
So, so a couple of things that 

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stand stand out to me with this 
too that they said that. 

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And again, these are things I 
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are created equal. 
So that kind of piggybacks off 

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of what you just said, right? 
Sure. 

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It could be a fresh food like 
some of the ones that have have 

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been advertised on the Super 
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over television. 
We can think of what those are 

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now, right? 
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might even say the word fresh on
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That does not mean that it's 
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say who it is so and so owned 
by. 

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Palmolive or you know, then 
that's I put it back, put it 

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company that is doing their 
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possible food on the market 
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invested and they care about 
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their own pet that spurred them 
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something because there was a 
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So those are the companies that 
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that own themselves. 
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for things like human grade 
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know, looking at, do they say 
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Some of them do something that's
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this conversation. 
But carbohydrate has started to 

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get a really bad rap. 
Carbs don't mean starch and 

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calories. 
Carbs can mean fiber. 

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Broccoli is a carb, spinach is a
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that are in there is actually 
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total carbohydrate contents, in 
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So it's, it can take a lot. 
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for are people like Jessica and 
I so that you can read our blogs

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and listen to us talk and we'll,
we can help break this stuff 

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down for you, You know, So, 
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It's hard. 
But yeah, packaging can't rely 

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on just the packaging. 
You can't rely on just the name 

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of the brand. 
Look and see who owns that brand

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and know what is species 
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you know what a dog and cat 
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They're carnivores. 
Obligate versus fact, we can 

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have that argument another day. 
But at the end of the day, they 

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have pointed canines, They don't
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They are carnivores and they 
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protein with a little bit of 
carbs. 

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And that's the best way to 
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food is is it species 
appropriate? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Well, and I think a couple of 

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years ago, I started trying to 
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away from just carbs and 
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and carbohydrates. 
Trying to still keep it 

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simplified for people but 
switching their mindset a little

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and things like that's what I 
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want to be feeding a dog and 
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Though I will say I posted in my
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Sissy has not been feeling well 
the past couple of days and not 

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eating much. 
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chicken breast in like salt and 
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oil, like there wasn't anything 
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with a bunch of butter. 
And she like ate 1/3 of my 

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chicken breast off of my plate. 
And then she went for the sweet 

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potato and I'm like, what are 
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the sleep. 

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I think she was going for the 
butter, but. 

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Probably, but I mean there's a 
line right between what am I 

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trying to feed my very healthy 
animal who has a great appetite 

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but I'm trying to keep healthy 
and I have a friend who's not 

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really feeling great and I am 
desperate to get anything 

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possible into their. 
Stomach, let me tell you, I'm in

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desperation mode at the moment 
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anything either. 
Like, yes, my cat is an 

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obligate. 
Yeah, my cat is an obligate 

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carnivore. 
But there are times when eat 

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what you're going to eat. 
Honey, I'm. 

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Going to make a teacher out of 
that that just says let him eat 

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the sweet potatoes. 
You're around Super Zoo and 

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you'll see. 
Me do you like but. 

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But I do agree, I do agree with 
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recalls because something that 
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time one year ago, we all knew 
that there was some craziness 

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going on. 
And we all sat here with bated 

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breath waiting for a recall, 
begging for a recall. 

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Multiple states, countless pet 
advocates begged our governing 

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bodies to do something because 
we saw thousands of animals 

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dying and we thought we knew 
where it was coming from. 

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But doors were closed in 
everyone's faces. 

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Certain vets that we know spent 
thousands upon thousands of out 

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of pocket dollars to do 
independent testing and they 

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just couldn't get what they 
find, what they were looking 

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for. 
And the problem is it could be 

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any number of things causing 
problems. 

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And you don't have infinite 
resources to test 1000 different

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things. 
You could be testing for alpha 

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toxins, you could be testing for
heavy metals, for vitamin 

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toxicity, mineral toxicity, you 
know, poisons, rat poison, I 

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mean, so many things, right? 
And, and one person cannot 

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possibly pay out of pocket to 
test all of those things. 

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And when you don't get help from
the agencies that you're 

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supposed to trust with your 
pet's health, then where are you

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supposed to turn? 
And I think the answer is to the

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people that are sitting here 
screaming louder, advocate for 

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me and recall never came. 
It makes me so angry because we 

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know that something went wrong, 
we know that it happened, but 

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there will never be official 
documentation of it. 

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And the fact that things like 
that seem to be slipping through

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the cracks. 
But then you have the Oregon 

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State Department of Health 
breaking protocol and testing an

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open package for something blows
my mind. 

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And if that doesn't sound like 
bullying the fresh food 

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industry, I don't know what the 
F does. 

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Well, like I said, it's, it's 
double, it's it's twofold, 

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right? 
Because you've got the bullying 

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and I, you know, is it a bigger,
you know, a bigger picture issue

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that they want people to be 
scared of HPAI more than 

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necessary? 
I think so. 

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Especially it was like my, my 
sister, my sister-in-law came in

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the other day and she was like, 
OK, why are my egg prices so 

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high? 
And I'm like, let me tell you 

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why, because we are killing 
millions of healthy birds. 

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That is why. 
So it, it's, it's absolutely 

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insane. 
But also the favoritism with 

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companies that obviously have 
issues that just because they're

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a huge brand name that has been 
around forever, that fund every 

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freaking thing there is to fund,
you know, they get the 

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favoritism just like you were 
talking about with the the brand

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this time last year. 
It, you know, even if even 

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though we couldn't, and I say we
because I, you know, I, I was 

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helping to, we couldn't pinpoint
exactly what was wrong. 

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The fact that so many reports 
made their way to the FDA for 

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sick and dead pets, that alone 
we we shouldn't have to prove 

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what's wrong for the FDA to look
at the numbers and say we need 

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to investigate. 
And that that is the corruption 

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that bothers me. 
And that is the same corruption 

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that ultimately is responsible 
for the pet food labels, which 

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is where we started with. 
Yeah. 

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Which is very right, Yeah. 
But in the end, this kind of 

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round Robin framework is my 
biggest fear is that it's not 

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that raw food will go away. 
It's it won't. 

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We're here to stay. 
My fear is that they're going to

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start bullying these companies 
to the point where they are 

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backed into a corner and then 
they all have to turn to things 

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that I personally am not really 
looking for in a pet food. 

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I don't want to feed HPPI agree 
it's a better alternative to 

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kibble, but that's not what I 
want to give to my pets. 

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I like completely raw food. 
I also some companies are are 

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starting to put probiotics in 
their food to out compete 

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potential pathogenic bacteria. 
What's the downstream effect of 

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that? 
Because we should not be giving 

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the same couple strains of 
probiotics every single day in 

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every single food for the rest 
of our lives. 

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That can cause dysbiosis. 
But we don't know are those 

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bacteria surviving to the time 
when the food is fed? 

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Are they surviving the acidic 
environment of the gut? 

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Are they out competing and 
killing each other? 

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We don't know right? 
There's no long term study but 

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but because of the harshness of 
the testing and really kind of 

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coming down on us, I think it's 
making people rush and making 

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people take drastic measures and
that makes me more worried than 

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anything else. 
Yeah, well, and no, I agree with

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you. 
I think you're right that raw 

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food isn't going anywhere. 
In fact, Colgate Palmolive, 

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which is Hills, just last week 
purchased a raw food company in 

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Australia. 
Granted, it's one of those raw 

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food companies. 
I looked at it that uses appear.

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It's, it's enough synthetic 
vitamins and minerals that it 

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appears that it could be a 
premix. 

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Because you know, you can look, 
well, you and I can look at a 

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pet food label and see like two 
or three or four synthetics and 

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we're like, OK, we know that's 
not a premix. 

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But then you see this paragraph 
and you're like, obviously 

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that's a premix. 
So this one to me, it looks like

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it was probably a premix. 
So still in line with how they 

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produce pet food, but it is a 
raw food that that they bought. 

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So it is definitely something 
that they it's not going 

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anywhere and they are showing us
that it's not going anywhere by 

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buying into it, which is also an
interesting. 

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Like I'm going to be really 
interested to see how they 

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change over the years, how 
they're teaching veterinarians 

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because, you know, there are so 
many veterinarians right now 

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that are absolutely, 100% don't 
you ever dare feed a raw food to

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your pet because that's what 
they've been taught by these 

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huge kibble companies. 
And now if they're going to 

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start making raw foods, like 
what? 

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What are they going to tell the 
veterinarians to say then? 

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I'm curious. 
Yeah. 

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But so yeah, for for me, when 
I'm looking at a food, the first

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thing I'm looking at is the is 
going to be the moisture 

448
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960
content. 
That's the very first thing that

449
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,480
I want to teach somebody about. 
Because when you're feeding a 

450
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,240
dry shelf stable food, and 
granted there are freeze dried 

451
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,240
raws like that, that exists in a
category of food itself. 

452
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,400
Even even that I would rather 
you feed dry than feed a dry 

453
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,480
kibble, but still, I don't want 
you feeding that dry. 

454
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,280
That's like so across the board,
I want to talk about moisture 

455
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520
first and foremost. 
I think that is probably one of 

456
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,960
the very first things that we 
need to get people's mind 

457
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,000
shifted around because if we can
do that, then they realize that 

458
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,320
anything dry is not ideal to 
feed our pets. 

459
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,880
So that's my very first thing, 
the moisture content. 

460
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,280
I agree. 
I agree. 

461
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680
That's probably the most, one of
the most important things. 

462
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
And to be honest, when I talk to
pet parents about macro 

463
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,960
nutrients, I, I include water in
my conversation because although

464
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,200
it's not providing you calories,
it is in my mind macro as in one

465
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,640
of the main parts of the diet is
going to be moisture and 

466
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,240
hydration. 
So I love that you put that 

467
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,480
right up on top. 
That's awesome. 

468
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,040
Yeah. 
I mean if we can even adding 

469
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,080
liquid to kibble. 
So adding liquid to a freeze 

470
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,720
dried raw food is very different
than adding liquid to a kibble 

471
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,560
because of a freeze dried raw 
food is designed to reabsorb 

472
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,600
that moisture and then by the 
time you're feeding it, it is 

473
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,920
closer to if you were actually 
feeding a raw food that wasn't 

474
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,680
processed. 
Additionally, in in freeze 

475
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,640
drying kibble, many kibbles, 
they are not going to absorb 

476
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,960
that absorb that moisture. 
So you have a texture issue 

477
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,560
that's going to not for all 
dogs, but for some dogs, they're

478
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,320
not going to like it. 
They may not eat it that way, or

479
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800
they may eat the food and leave 
a lot of the liquid, but you 

480
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,360
literally cannot add enough 
liquid to it to satiate the 

481
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,840
organs and in the digestion 
process. 

482
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,800
So we're we're keeping our pets 
in this like chronic state of 

483
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200
dehydration, which is bad for 
everything. 

484
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Like literally any. 
Yeah, any function of the body 

485
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960
is going to be affected by 
dehydration. 

486
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,400
But then what you were saying, 
like I, I don't hang my hat on 

487
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
human grade ingredients when I'm
looking at a food. 

488
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Is it wonderful to have human 
grade ingredients? 

489
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Yes, but I think or like a human
grade food all around to be able

490
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920
to have that label of human 
grade. 

491
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,760
I think there are some fresh 
food companies that don't have 

492
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,040
that designation for like maybe 
one or two ingredients and 

493
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,840
overall the formula is still 
preferable for me than than 

494
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,480
other foods on the market. 
So I don't hang my hat on that. 

495
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,000
But I do think it's a good, good
things to be looking at, 

496
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,080
especially I know there are 
nutritionists out there who 

497
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,520
like, if it's not a human grade 
food, they don't recommend it. 

498
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,680
That's just not me, not me. 
But I think, you know, when 

499
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,160
you're doing a DIY, that's not 
you either because that even 

500
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120
though you're technically buying
human grade ingredients from a 

501
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,720
lot of places, the fact that 
they're being fed raw kind of 

502
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,840
makes them not, not quote UN 
quote, human grade anymore. 

503
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Because there is when you buy at
the grocery store, it's like in 

504
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,360
meats, right? 
There's a certain level of 

505
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,720
pathogenic bacteria that's 
allowed in them because they 

506
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,440
expect humans to be cooking it 
before they're eating it. 

507
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,280
So technically, I don't think 
that's would be considered human

508
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
grade anymore. 
But that's my brain going in a 

509
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,240
million direction. 
And acceptable levels of things 

510
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400
bother me because I don't I 
don't love. 

511
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
So that kind of ties into an 
example that we didn't talk 

512
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
about yet that was in the 
article was the aflatoxins. 

513
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,880
So they mentioned in the article
that there was one product that 

514
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760
had tested positive for 
aflatoxins, which are mold 

515
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,600
toxins. 
And this food had 1.5 parts per 

516
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,400
million or like 1.8 parts per 
million. 

517
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,320
And apparently the acceptable 
maximum amount of alpha toxins 

518
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,160
is 20 parts per million. 
And so it's so low that the FDA 

519
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,120
would not have intervened. 
And the company that they found 

520
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,520
these toxins in was not 
mentioned. 

521
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560
I couldn't find the food unless 
it was below in the chart that I

522
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,760
couldn't view it's. 
Not. 

523
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,320
So that made me mad too. 
But the fact that we even have 

524
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,920
allowable levels of things that 
are truly dangerous bothers me. 

525
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,880
You know, apple toxins, mold is 
mold will kill you. 

526
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Mold will cause chronic 
respiratory issues. 

527
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000
I mean, it can even cause 
dementia. 

528
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,840
It can cause autoimmune disease.
Mold is bad. 

529
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,320
You don't want mold. 
You know others that like, 

530
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,480
right? 
There's acceptable levels of 

531
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,560
lead for water out of your 
faucet. 

532
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Why fluoride? 
Why? 

533
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Like, why does this exist, you 
know, but in other 

534
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920
circumstances, I understand why 
you can't have an all or nothing

535
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,480
mentality. 
And, and organisms are one of 

536
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200
those things, right? 
So some bacteria, some viruses, 

537
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240
some parasites, some, you know, 
maybe we don't want any amoebas 

538
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
floating around. 
But but you can't, I do 

539
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
understand why there could be 
acceptable levels of that in 

540
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
certain aspects for people 
because we're going to cook it. 

541
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680
But for pets, because they do 
have their innate kind of 

542
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,640
defenses against, and cats and 
dogs have innate defenses 

543
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
against these bacteria. 
If you have a high pathogenic 

544
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,719
load, sure, that's not great. 
We don't want that. 

545
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,760
But they should be able to 
tolerate some low levels of 

546
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
bacteria Because remember, our 
mouth is full of bacteria. 

547
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,280
It's also full of lysosomes that
kind of cleave through cell 

548
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,040
walls. 
The stomach is acidic. 

549
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,400
The intestines are short. 
You have your own microbiome. 

550
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,320
So you have a lot of things that
are going to protect you. 

551
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,320
And when I keep saying you, I 
mean our pets. 

552
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,639
But as a human, I probably would
not want to go like a raw piece 

553
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,040
of chicken from the grocery 
store. 

554
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
I don't want to do that. 
No, I definitely don't want to 

555
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480
do that. 
I mean, I think, you know, it 

556
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
would. 
It would really, it really would

557
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,760
be nice to live in a world where
there are certain things that we

558
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,560
could guarantee we're not in our
food, like Afrotoxins, I'm sure.

559
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:02,040
But do I, do I think that we 
should live in a world where we 

560
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,520
can guarantee everything is 
completely sanitary? 

561
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Like, no. 
We have to have something to 

562
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,000
test, start to keep our immune 
system functioning and working. 

563
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
We have to have these 
challenges. 

564
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,720
So do our pets. 
We have to be challenged. 

565
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:27,840
But I do think that a lot of 
these allowed limits are because

566
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:35,200
of lobbying by companies who 
either couldn't figure out how 

567
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,320
to not have these horrible 
things in the food or didn't 

568
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,880
want to spend the money to do it
or or or or or like, there's so 

569
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,080
many things. 
I do think that's why we have a 

570
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,000
lot of these allowable limits. 
I hate lobbyists so much. 

571
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920
So I would love to talk about a 
couple of other things that were

572
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,840
in this article that I staunchly
disagree with. 

573
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Go for it. 
So the first one is that, and 

574
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Sandra Fay said this, the 
president of the AVNA, they 

575
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,360
quoted her that you should 
always talk to your vet about 

576
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400
what food to feed and use feeds 
that are used that are meeting 

577
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,600
AFCO guidelines. 
I don't like that. 

578
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,120
I don't like AFCO, I don't like 
their guidelines, I don't like 

579
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,040
their lack of transparency, I 
don't like that they are 

580
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,280
essentially here to create food 
and edible product out of the 

581
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
human waste industry and that 
they don't actually, at their 

582
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
core, care about the well-being 
of our pets. 

583
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,720
What are your thoughts? 
I 100% agree with that. 

584
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,600
I think as much as I don't like 
AFCO, it's all we have at the 

585
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
moment. 
The alternative could be even 

586
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160
scarier. 
Yes, the alternative alternative

587
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040
could be that these pet food 
companies are putting out 

588
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,840
whatever the heck they want and 
killing animals left and right. 

589
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,720
So in that regard, I understand 
and I do. 

590
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,600
I will say it, when I work with 
a client, I feel them out first 

591
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,120
to see if I feel like they can 
handle me telling them that we 

592
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,400
don't have to feed according to 
ACO requirements. 

593
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,360
If I feel like they can handle 
that, then I have the 

594
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,320
conversation with them about it.
And I have the conversation with

595
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,920
them around how we can still 
feed a really well-rounded diet 

596
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,080
to our dogs through rotation 
and, you know, if they're 

597
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,160
comfortable, you know, and so I 
kind of try to talk them through

598
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,520
that. 
But everybody. 

599
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:03,800
And look, she's president of the
Veterinary Medical Association. 

600
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,240
So of course she's going to say 
talk to your veterinarian. 

601
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:13,760
That alone is one of my biggest 
pet peeves that I still, I will 

602
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:21,000
be honest, like I still don't 
100% know how I want to address 

603
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,600
that on social media to the 
public. 

604
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,000
I think about it literally every
day because so many of us and so

605
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,480
many people on social media, 
their only comeback is, but my 

606
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,240
vet said, or you're not a 
veterinarian. 

607
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880
And the reality is I'm glad I'm 
not a veterinarian. 

608
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600
I'm glad I didn't go through 
that indoctrination process 

609
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,520
because I may not be where I am 
today. 

610
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,120
If I did go through that 
indoctrination process, I can 

611
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:57,280
appreciate, and I do appreciate 
very much the education that a 

612
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,200
veterinarian has received, their
wealth of knowledge in the 

613
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,200
biology, the Physiology of my 
pets, where they can help me if,

614
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,880
heaven forbid, my dog gets hit 
by a car or my cat breaks its 

615
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,560
leg or like there are so many 
emergency situations, acute 

616
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,720
issues that, yeah, I want their 
help with because that's what 

617
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,360
they are really, really, really 
good at. 

618
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,080
And I appreciate them for that 
so much. 

619
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,560
But it's kind of in their 
nature. 

620
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680
And I've talked to so many 
veterinarians about this. 

621
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,120
They are pushed so hard in vet 
school to be competitive with 

622
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
one another that they are 
competitive with the world. 

623
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,240
And they are. 
Most of them, not all of them, 

624
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:54,680
are so competitive with the 
world that they aren't. 

625
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600
They're not even willing to 
admit where they don't know 

626
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,240
something. 
And maybe that is because they 

627
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,600
feel like they do based on their
pharmaceutical Rep and their big

628
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,400
pet food Rep coming into the 
office and telling them XYZ. 

629
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,480
Maybe they feel that they know 
what they need to know. 

630
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,000
I think when pressed, a lot of 
them might have to admit that 

631
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,840
they don't know about nutrition,
that they don't know about so 

632
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,920
many other modalities outside 
of. 

633
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Just pharmaceuticals, like we 
don't need to give our pets 

634
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,080
petroleum for everything. 
Well, and there's nothing more 

635
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:44,240
humbling yet more inspiring than
hearing a professional say, I'm 

636
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,560
not sure. 
Let me find out for you. 

637
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,360
Yeah, Yeah. 
I'm sorry. 

638
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,360
I'm not the, I'm not the robot 
from Hitchhiker's Guide to the 

639
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Galaxy that was programmed to 
know everything. 

640
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
I am not ChatGPT. 
I am not an AI bot. 

641
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,640
I can't tell you everything like
I I've got to go figure it out. 

642
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,440
You can, you can catch me 
totally off guard. 

643
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,800
I'm going to go. 
Oh, never thought about that 

644
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,040
before. 
Let me look into that for you. 

645
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
That's how you collaborate with 
someone and that's how you 

646
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
continue learning. 
And I have zero respect for 

647
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680
people who don't have the 
ability to do that. 

648
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,360
So when I run into 
professionals, be they in the 

649
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
human space or the veterinary 
space, the animal space, who 

650
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,360
would rather stand up on that 
hill and die than admit that 

651
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,200
they don't know something, I'm 
just, I'm not interested. 

652
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160
I'll just walk away because 
you've lost my respect. 

653
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Yeah, I just, I feel so 
strongly, I know you do too, 

654
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,080
that if the only education you 
have in nutrition is whatever 

655
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,920
you got in veterinary school, 
which is so minimal. 

656
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,520
Some veterinarians say, I mean, 
I've heard some veterinarians 

657
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,120
say that it's like one Class 1 
semester and whatever you're 

658
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,320
learning in that class is going 
to be whatever big pet food 

659
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,800
company is funding that 
veterinary school, Whatever they

660
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:11,080
want to tell you. 
Plus possibly plus whatever a 

661
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,840
big pet food Rep comes in to 
your office to tell you about 

662
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,040
their food and why their food is
so great. 

663
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,480
So you walk into, you know, it 
used to be a thing, I would say,

664
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
like if you walk into a 
veterinarian's office and you 

665
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,080
look at their degree, they're 
just like where they got their 

666
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,640
veterinary degree and look up 
what big pet food is funding 

667
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
that school. 
I promise you that's the food 

668
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
they're selling. 
I promise you that's the food 

669
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,400
they're selling. 
Yeah. 

670
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,040
And I, I really hate even saying
that because it makes us look 

671
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,400
like jerks. 
Kind of I know we kind of kind 

672
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,520
of look like we're harping, 
right. 

673
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,400
I really hardcore funded some 
veterinarian that with my video 

674
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,800
last week where I was talking 
about like why this article is 

675
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480
bad is like the key points that 
I disagreed with which and one 

676
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,560
of which were that and I wrote 
it. 

677
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Here is one of the things that I
disagree with is that they said 

678
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,720
in Consumer Reports that they 
consulted experts such as 

679
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,960
veterinary nutritionists and 
veterinarians. 

680
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,600
But the next logical question is
what nutrition education do they

681
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,520
have? 
Because if it's based off of 

682
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,880
small animal Clinical Nutrition,
which was founded and written by

683
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,640
the Mark Morris Institute, who 
is the founder of Health Science

684
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,280
diet, then the answer is not 
much. 

685
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,440
And like, you can't. 
There's so much bias it isn't 

686
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,000
even funny. 
And this woman was so pissed 

687
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,760
that I would dare say that they 
were, that she or other 

688
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
veterinarians are essentially 
brainwashed by these big cable 

689
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,840
companies who kind of get their 
hopes into them from the day 

690
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,200
they step into veterinary 
school. 

691
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,840
She staunchly denied that there 
was ever any lectures from 

692
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
kibble reps, that no one ever 
talked about different kibbles 

693
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,440
for different diets. 
No reps came. 

694
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,960
There was no mention of, you 
know, blah, blah, blah. 

695
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,920
And I was like, well, that's 
really weird because the most 

696
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,360
well known holistic 
veterinarians in this space have

697
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,520
completely laid themselves bare 
to tell us about how that 

698
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,320
happened to them when they were 
in school and how it took them 

699
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120
years to realize how wrong and 
biased it was. 

700
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,480
And they share that they spent 
years treating animals that way.

701
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800
And once they realized that they
were doing that, that they had 

702
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,440
shame and horror and 
frustration, and they had to go 

703
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,000
through all those feelings and 
then share them with us so that 

704
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,880
we could understand their 
journey. 

705
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,680
And you're just going to sit 
here and say that that's all a 

706
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,720
lie? 
I don't believe you. 

707
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Yeah. 
No, I believe you. 

708
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,320
So that's that's the person who 
was offended. 

709
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,800
She got personally offended by 
what I was saying and couldn't 

710
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800
admit that she was wrong. 
That's the kind of person that I

711
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,680
don't respect because damn, I've
said I was wrong a lot in my 

712
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,200
life. 
No kidding. 

713
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,240
Oh my goodness. 
Right. 

714
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,240
Same. 
Same. 

715
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,080
I gotta find a little tangent. 
There No, I mean, I think, you 

716
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,960
know, it's an important 
conversation to have and it's a 

717
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,840
difficult conversation to have 
because I absolutely respect 

718
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,680
someone who chose to dedicate 
their life because you're not 

719
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,320
going into veterinary medicine 
for the money, right? 

720
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120
No, you're not. 
So I I mean, I respect that 

721
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,000
decision and I respect that you 
care for the animals. 

722
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,960
I just am so anxious for you to 
find that moment where you 

723
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,360
realize that, oh, maybe this 
isn't the way to actually we 

724
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,000
affect change in these animals 
lives in a positive way. 

725
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,360
Yeah, I yes, you're making 
change in their lives. 

726
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400
I just don't always think it's 
in a positive way. 

727
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,320
And the into the point of the 
veterinary nutritionists. 

728
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:58,480
I there's first of all, so few 
of them and I have yet to be 

729
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
impressed by a single recipe 
I've seen by a veterinary 

730
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,280
nutritionist. 
In fact, I have clients, and I 

731
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,640
know you do too, that bring me 
recipes from a veterinary 

732
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,600
nutritionist and they are like 
crying some of them because of 

733
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,680
the amount of money they have 
spent on these recipes and they 

734
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,160
their pets are not like. 
Chicken better, possibly. 

735
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,400
Chicken, rice, green beans and 
balance it. 

736
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,800
Oh my gosh, it's always balance 
you pay for. 

737
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Yeah, I know. 
And that bothers me so much 

738
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,800
because they you do, you spend 
an you wait, you sit on a 

739
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,920
waiting list and then you spend 
so much money for by the way, 

740
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160
you can get balance it on your 
own and figure it out on your 

741
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,800
own and not spend any of that 
money. 

742
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
I don't like balance it, but I 
don't want you to use it. 

743
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,200
But like you can do that all on 
your own. 

744
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,120
I don't, I don't, I don't 
understand. 

745
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,720
So, but that's because when you 
say you're a veterinary, when 

746
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,680
you have the credential of a 
veterinary nutritionist, you are

747
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,760
still being taught by the same 
system of put some food, doesn't

748
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,360
matter what it is, it can be 
freaking shoe leather and throw 

749
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,480
a premix in there and it meets 
AFCO minimum standards and 

750
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,840
you're good to go. 
Yeah. 

751
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,800
That's what they're trained to 
do. 

752
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
So the good. 
And the bad thing, Yeah, the 

753
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,320
good and the bad, right? 
So one more big thing that 

754
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,200
really stood out for me was that
the same the president of the 

755
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:38,640
AVMA said in here that, you 
know, be wary of Rafu, be wary 

756
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,400
of parasites and bacteria, blah 
blah, blah. 

757
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,800
We've heard about before 
recommends cooking meat. 

758
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,880
But she also specifically stated
that while some dogs may benefit

759
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,120
from grain free foods, there's 
no specific reason a dog would 

760
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,840
need a grain free diet and 
plenty of research to show that 

761
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:02,160
dogs digest grains. 
Well, I would love to see those 

762
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,080
studies and here's why. 
If anybody on here does not know

763
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,760
how an AFCO feeding child works,
here is the criteria for you. 

764
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,360
You have to have at least 8 
animals. 

765
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,960
Only six out of eight of those 
animals have to complete the 

766
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,920
trial. 
In the trial, no more than 15% 

767
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,680
of body weight can be lost, 
blood tests must remain within 

768
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
normal ranges and there can be 
no signs of nutritional 

769
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,040
deficiencies or toxicities. 
So that is your only criteria. 

770
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,960
And it's not even a full blood 
panel. 

771
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,040
It's only yeah full. 
Specific things and it only 

772
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,440
lasts 6 months. 
I'm sorry, I could eat Ritz 

773
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,720
crackers for six months and I'm 
not going to show signs of 

774
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,760
nutritional deficiencies or 
toxicities. 

775
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,720
And I'm probably going to have 
OK blood work because the body 

776
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,960
doesn't work like that. 
You could eat grass at first six

777
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,720
months, maybe not grass because 
we're not cows. 

778
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,520
But but you know, you, your 
body, you store things in your 

779
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,800
tissues. 
It's not, you do not need to 

780
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:06,840
eat, you know, two micrograms of
copper and 20 milligrams of zinc

781
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,760
and you know, you don't need to 
have that every single day or 

782
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
else the next day you're going 
to miraculously have 0 copper in

783
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,040
your body and you're going to 
wither and die. 

784
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,080
It doesn't work that way. 
So the trials are not long 

785
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,640
enough, the sample size is not 
big enough and the criteria is 

786
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,400
not robust enough. 
So I don't like that they're 

787
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,440
going to quote things like use 
AFCO and have the, you know, go 

788
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,480
We, we have studies that say 
that dogs digest grain is fine. 

789
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,880
All you need to know that all 
you need to do to know that your

790
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,520
dog is not digesting grains fine
is feed them food with grains in

791
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,360
it and then go outside and look 
at the gift they left you on the

792
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,000
grass. 
It's big, it smells, it's soft. 

793
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,320
They are pooping out what you're
putting in. 

794
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,160
And it's not supposed to be that
way. 

795
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,360
I don't need a trial to tell me 
that that was the last thing 

796
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,680
that the smell. 
Well, and I think, you know, so 

797
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,800
this whole grain free thing is 
just never going to go away. 

798
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,720
It's never going to go away. 
It isn't. 

799
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,120
I don't want you to feed grain 
inclusive or grain free. 

800
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,760
If it comes in a bag and it's 
dry, I don't want you to feed 

801
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,120
either one. 
Yeah, just. 

802
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
Don't do that. 
Just don't do that well. 

803
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,000
And the only the only 
qualification for a grain free 

804
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,720
food is that it literally 
doesn't have a grain in it. 

805
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,560
There's no there. 
There's no, there's no 

806
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,040
qualification for what they've 
replaced those grains with. 

807
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:43,120
So to say that yes, but it 
doesn't even have to be like it 

808
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,240
can be literally anything they 
want it to be as long as it's 

809
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,200
not a grain. 
There's there, there's no 

810
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
restrictions on it, right, But 
so. 

811
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,320
But you know that they're not 
going to replace it with 

812
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,040
something better, right? 
Like the protein that you need 

813
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,880
to synthesize, amino acids that 
are good for the heart, you 

814
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,800
know, I mean, so there's sure 
you're taking something out, but

815
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,680
what you have to put something 
in its place. 

816
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,160
What could it be? 
Whatever you want. 

817
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
That's not yeah, it isn't. 
It isn't great. 

818
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,400
So but yeah, this whole grain 
free thing, Oh my gosh, it's, 

819
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,280
it's, it has persisted and I 
feel like it's not going away 

820
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,960
anytime soon. 
Like there are still people 

821
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,880
today that will come to me and 
say my vet said not afraid to 

822
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,960
feed a grain free food like. 
Oh my Lord. 

823
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,840
OK, we do have some questions 
and comments on Instagram, so 

824
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,520
let me just scroll back. 
Millie's Raw Life wants to see a

825
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,360
close up of my books. 
Here they are. 

826
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Millie. 
I know your name's not Millie. 

827
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,840
It's Amanda. 
How do I do this for you? 

828
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,360
So here's here are the faves. 
I got some of the faves. 

829
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,720
I've got some. 
There's Piper. 

830
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,680
That's a little ceramic. 
My husband made that little 

831
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,680
ceramic thing he made of our dog
Piper. 

832
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,160
So yeah, there's all kinds of 
stuff in here. 

833
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,640
Some human books down here. 4 
pause, 5 directions. 

834
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:12,840
That's a fave. 
Yeah, she also said Millie's 

835
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,720
real life says I've seen a big 
increase in companies adding 

836
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,440
probiotics in their commercial 
raw. 

837
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,000
I have two. 
I don't know that I love it 

838
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:26,280
either because exactly what Kara
said at the beginning, there's 

839
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,280
no variety. 
There's no like variation. 

840
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,600
There's no and. 
Yeah. 

841
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,960
What are the downstream effects?
We don't. 

842
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,720
Know it's, it's a, it's a whole 
thing. 

843
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,400
It's a lot that we don't know, 
right? 

844
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Millie's real life also says all
the vets I've had have been 

845
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,280
competitive, even with myself. 
You're exactly right. 

846
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:55,360
I've had a vet tell me how 
essential corn and potatoes are 

847
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,320
to the diet. 
Lord Jesus. 

848
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
I feel like finding non-GMO corn
in this country by. 

849
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,240
The way it's not possible I I 
actually try really hard not to 

850
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:10,440
eat corn, but I I will on 
occasion because I am from the 

851
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:17,000
South and corn is like a staple.
I love and let me tell you, I 

852
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,360
love. 
So when I was growing up, it's 

853
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,800
like this is my comfort food. 
OK, I will have a big heap of 

854
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,880
mashed potatoes with tons of 
butter and I know. 

855
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,520
What you're going to say? 
Crumble up cornbread, sweet 

856
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,200
cornbread into it and then add 
some corn to that and mix it all

857
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,560
up. 
And that is like, it has to be 

858
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,320
my favorite meal in the whole 
wide world. 

859
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,240
And I probably haven't had it in
like 10 years, but it is it's, 

860
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,400
it's my like Southern Comfort 
food. 

861
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,200
There are two kinds of people in
this world, the people that mix 

862
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800
their corn and mashed potatoes 
and the people that keep them 

863
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,560
separate. 
Jessica, we are two different 

864
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:05,680
people. 
I I don't, and I try really hard

865
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,040
not to eat corn, but if I'm 
going to eat corn in this home, 

866
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,760
probably not know what to say. 
OK, Millie's real life. 

867
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
How do you feel about premixes 
without synthetics? 

868
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
I have feelings. 
What do you have feelings on, 

869
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,680
Karen? 
What is a premix without 

870
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,560
synthetics? 
Well, what comes? 

871
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,560
To mind for me is like like a 
Doctor Harvey's. 

872
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,400
That's what comes to me. 
Oh, OK. 

873
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,080
OK. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

874
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,400
There there are some like Corley
flavor has some. 

875
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,960
I think too that you kind of, I 
don't know, but I what came to 

876
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,520
mind for me first was Doctor 
Harvey's. 

877
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,840
Doctor Harvey's. 
I think that it can be a good 

878
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,040
alternative for people who are 
intimidated, maybe don't have 

879
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,160
the time to do complete DIY, 
that are looking for a base to 

880
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,200
add something to. 
The problem I've run into is 

881
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,240
first, it's expensive. 
Second, it tends to come out to 

882
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,760
a lot of vegetable matter. 
I've had dogs who were eating 

883
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,960
that, who were pooping like 3-4 
times a day and there are pieces

884
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,040
of that dehydrated food still in
their stool that's whole, not 

885
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,080
well digested. 
And I've had that with multiple 

886
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,480
clients and we went through all 
the things, right? 

887
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,800
Like are you soaking it long 
enough? 

888
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Maybe let's try hotter water, 
Like let's like, do you want to 

889
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520
blitz it in the blend? 
They still were having that 

890
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,320
problem. 
And I thought, oh, maybe there's

891
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,280
a digestive issue. 
But as soon as we took that out 

892
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,920
and just took fresh veggies and,
and steamed and pureed them, the

893
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,240
problem was gone. 
So I'm not a huge fan, but I 

894
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,800
would still rather take that 
over a bowl of kibble. 

895
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:44,280
Yeah, yeah. 
I find the people that get on 

896
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,600
those like bass mixes, like a 
Doctor Harvey's. 

897
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
And so, by the way, Dr. Harvey's
has one that does have 

898
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,920
synthetics in it, and then they 
have another. 

899
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,560
One that does. 
Out. 

900
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,560
So I obviously would prefer the 
one without, but what I have 

901
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:04,960
found with my clients that are 
using it is that it becomes a 

902
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,240
crutch. 
And so they wind up feeding the 

903
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,800
same thing over and over and 
over again for years and years. 

904
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,480
And so we still wind up with 
dysbiosis. 

905
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,120
Yeah, a lot of times. 
Where's your variety? 

906
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah, no, there's no bet. 
You could change your meat 

907
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,840
variety, sure, but where's your 
vegetable variety? 

908
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,520
And another thing about it too 
is you have to add an oil. 

909
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,320
Yeah. 
Yeah, you do. 

910
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,560
We know how. 
I feel about oils, yeah. 

911
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,360
I have a lot, I have a lot of 
feelings about oils and if you 

912
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,120
really want to know you could go
to rawpopventures.com/blog and 

913
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,680
read my blog about oils or you 
could go to Jessica's profile 

914
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,280
and you could watch our live 
about oil. 

915
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,960
Yes, we did have a pretty good 
live about oils. 

916
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,480
Millie's raw life says kind of 
off topic, but I saw in your 

917
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,040
recent video, my recent video. 
I think that I use the mine pet 

918
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,440
platter. 
Is it worth the investment? 

919
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,760
I, I don't know what they cost 
today. 

920
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,400
I can send you a discount code 
that I have for it, but I love 

921
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,920
it. 
I really do. 

922
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:15,120
I, I want to almost always feed 
off of something flat for my, 

923
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,440
for my animals. 
The only time I don't, I will 

924
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,360
sometimes use a pasta bowl if 
I'm adding a lot of like bone 

925
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,120
broth or something just because 
it's messy. 

926
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,920
Like it has the ridges in it 
that catch the bone broth. 

927
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,760
But if your hands are at all 
shaky, you're still going to, 

928
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,240
you're going to lose some of 
that bone broth. 

929
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080
So. 
I have them too. 

930
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,400
I have them for the cats. 
The large one is 45, the small 

931
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,560
one is 40. 
I have the small ones for the 

932
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,880
cats. 
You I agree. 

933
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,920
You can feed off any flat 
surface. 

934
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,360
You can feed off of the plate 
that you eat your food off of. 

935
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,880
You can feed off a cutting 
board. 

936
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,040
It doesn't have to, you know, 
but but what I do like about 

937
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,200
this is she's very meticulous 
with her her material. 

938
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,240
So like there's nothing toxic in
them. 

939
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,360
If you if you have an animal 
that is enjoy. 

940
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,720
It's what am I trying to say? 
Like kind of like the licking 

941
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,280
process because if you like 
swish it into the grooves that 

942
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,240
that can be a little bit of 
enrichment that can slow them 

943
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,920
down if you're feeding just a 
grind. 

944
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
So that's nice. 
But be wary if you have an 

945
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,000
animal that gets a little bit 
obsessive or anxious if they 

946
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,920
can't get every last bit of 
food, maybe that's not the best.

947
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,120
You might not want to like 
squish it into those grooves. 

948
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Like my cats, if it gets 
squished down in there, they 

949
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
will leave that last little bit 
because they are just not 

950
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,200
interested. 
So I I just plop it on there. 

951
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,360
I got it because I wanted to do 
an experiment and see if I could

952
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,480
get one cat to pick one color. 
Yeah, it didn't work. 

953
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,760
So I have three different colors
for my three different cats and 

954
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,640
they migrate to whichever 1 I 
put down first. 

955
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,280
So I didn't work, but I still, 
it's still convenient and it's 

956
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,120
really easy to clean if you have
one of those scrub brushes. 

957
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,520
And I like to use the Project 
Suds dish soap and I just Choo, 

958
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Choo, Choo and I and it gets in 
all the little grooves. 

959
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,320
It's perfect. 
Yeah. 

960
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,720
I mean, I, I very much 
appreciate, because I've had 

961
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,080
Carol on a couple of times, I 
have very much appreciate the 

962
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,800
amount of research that she did 
to try to make it more of an 

963
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:17,600
experience so that it does mimic
more what it would be like for 

964
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,760
an animal to like actually lick 
the meat off of the ribs and 

965
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,360
different, you know, things like
that. 

966
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:30,200
So I, I appreciate that a lot. 
And I do think that my dog does 

967
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,400
take a little bit longer to eat 
her food versus if I just put it

968
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,200
on a wooden cutting board or a 
pasta dish. 

969
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Like it's not a lick mat type 
situation, which Carol hates by 

970
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,320
the way. 
It's not that kind of situation,

971
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,280
but it does take her just a 
little bit longer, which I mean,

972
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,720
you know, I think that's a good 
thing. 

973
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,040
Yeah. 
Cool. 

974
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,040
So Millie's raw life. 
Didn't know you had cats. 

975
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,080
I don't have any idea how. 
Amanda I. 

976
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Have 3 cats and I had to kick 
them out of the room because 

977
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,920
they were being annoying. 
I just got back from a trip and 

978
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,440
they were excited to see me and 
I immediately shut them out into

979
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,600
this room so that I could do 
this recording. 

980
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,240
So. 
OK. 

981
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,800
So yeah, I think, I think the 
good and the bad. 

982
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,400
So the good is that a lot of 
people, especially the older 

983
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,960
generations do very much utilize
Consumer Reports. 

984
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:40,160
And so having them do testing on
dog foods may bring about 

985
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,040
questions. 
So it may have people asking 

986
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,080
more questions. 
I don't know how the younger 

987
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,680
generations even like, I wonder,
I bet Gen. 

988
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Z like doesn't even know what 
Consumer Reports is so we'll. 

989
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,000
See. 
How this age is but so yeah, 

990
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,120
getting people to ask questions 
I think is probably the best 

991
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,400
part of them doing this. 
And the worst part is the whole 

992
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,800
always ask your better 
experience. 

993
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,680
I think that's the worst. 
Part yeah, the the three worst 

994
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,640
ones were always ask your bet, 
always check for ethical 

995
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,240
guidelines. 
And then the last one was don't 

996
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,120
make a change to your pet's food
once you find something that 

997
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,360
works. 
That was the last one that I 

998
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,800
forgot. 
That's a complete bullshiz, 

999
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Nizz. 
It's a lie. 

1000
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,840
I'm trying to keep the PG for 
Jess's page here but I I swear a

1001
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,280
lot of my pocket but I know it's
complete bull. 

1002
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,520
Please change your pet's food 
often. 

1003
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,440
Not only do you want to provide 
variety, but this also prevents 

1004
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,760
the development of sensitivities
if there's any leaky gut. 

1005
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,440
So change it and change it 
often, yes. 

1006
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,400
I agree, completely agree. 
Yeah. 

1007
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,040
All right. 
I think that's going to wrap it 

1008
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,200
up unless you have anything 
else. 

1009
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,080
I mean, I have a lot of things 
to say, but only an hour to say 

1010
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,000
I'm. 
OK, I guess we will. 

1011
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,720
Are you going to join me next 
week or what are what's your 

1012
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,280
schedule? 
I'm off all of the Mondays. 

1013
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Oh wow oh OK. 
Well if you guys have any 

1014
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,400
recommendations or requests for 
topics you can DM either one of 

1015
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,000
us because we will need to pick 
a topic. 

1016
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,400
For next week. 
Usually do better. 

1017
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,920
Come back and comment on this. 
Yeah. 

1018
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,400
Oh, yes, that would be great. 
Please. 

1019
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Comment on this, tell us what 
you want us to talk about, and 

1020
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,200
we'll do some research and come 
back with some really great 

1021
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,040
quips and maybe a few swear 
words next month. 

1022
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,400
Next week. 
All right guys, y'all have a 

1023
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,240
great rest of your week and we 
will see you next Monday. 

1024
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,600
Bye bye.