1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Welcome back, pet parent. So today's episode is pretty 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,480 cool. I haven't done this before, but 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,040 we're actually doing a podcast. Swap. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,040 And if you're not familiar with what that is, it means we 5 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:17,920 recorded together and we're listing it on both my podcast 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:22,800 and her podcast. And I think out of every episode 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,640 I have ever done, this may actually be one of the most 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,920 important, which is saying a lot. 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,480 I realize that is saying a lot because hopefully you continue 10 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:38,720 to come back to the podcast and continue to learn from all the 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,360 incredible experts that I bring to you, which obviously is why I 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,840 do this. But let so you, if you've been 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,960 here a while, you probably already know who Kara Hanrahan 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,480 is. She's been on the podcast a 15 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:55,480 couple of times. She's with Raw Paw Adventures, 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,200 and her podcast is called Raw Now. 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,560 The reason why I think this episode was the episode to do 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,800 this with, to have it go live on both my podcast feed and her 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:15,880 podcast feed is because there's a lot going on. 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Well, there's a lot. Going on in the world. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,080 Obviously, but there's a lot going on in the holistic pet 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:27,160 health space lately. And I hate using the word, the 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,720 words misinformation and disinformation, but there is a 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:37,040 lot of that going on just within the health community in general, 25 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,480 especially like human health. To me, it is entirely to 26 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:49,680 politicized food, health, nutrition, science. 27 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,560 None of this should be political, yet that's where we 28 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,880 are in today's world. It is all politicized. 29 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:03,240 And so Kara and I have decided. We did an episode on identifying 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,320 an educator versus an influencer, specifically in the 31 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,400 healthy pet space, the holistic pet space. 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:16,560 And I think that this is just such an important topic. 33 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:23,200 It's an important conversation to have because we have to. 34 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:30,120 It's our responsibility. It's an added responsibility for 35 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,680 us to have to vet the people that we listen to online and 36 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,560 know who we choose to trust and who we choose maybe to just be 37 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,800 entertained by, right or not listen to it all. 38 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,920 It's it's a new landscape. I mean, not new, new. 39 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,960 Obviously we've had social media for a while now, but we're 40 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,880 figuring this out as humans. And I'm not sitting here, 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,080 neither is Kara saying like I'm the expert. 42 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,440 Like, in fact, as you listen to this episode, you're going to 43 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:11,760 understand why and how we feel like we're providing the best 44 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,880 content we possibly can to our listeners. 45 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:20,440 And in not saying that we're experts with all of the, you 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,920 know, degrees and certifications that we have. 47 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:24,640 And we have, we have different degrees care. 48 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:28,840 As a nurse who has transitioned into functional medicine, my 49 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,480 degree is my traditional bachelor's is in psychology with 50 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:40,320 a focus in animal behavior. And but we have some of the same 51 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,200 certifications moving forward as far as the holistic pet health 52 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,760 space is concerned. And I think it's just a really 53 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,720 important conversation for us to have. 54 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,920 So this intro is already way too long. 55 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,720 Thank you for being here with me again. 56 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,000 And make sure to check out the Raw Remedies podcast if you have 57 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,800 not. Already done. 58 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,880 So there we go. Hello. 59 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Thank you guys so much for joining us. 60 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:08,960 By the way, this is I'm nervous. Dining with Dinah said. 61 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,160 This is a salacious topic. I'm going with that word because 62 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,400 it's sexy. Salacious. 63 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,040 But I think this is an important enough topic that like for me, I 64 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,399 was like, no, this is a no brainer. 65 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,480 We need to put this out for like everybody to listen to. 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,080 Yeah. And influencer versus educator, 67 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,880 specifically in the healthy pet space. 68 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,280 And I just want to, I know like I just read through all of your 69 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:35,200 notes, Cara. And I just wanted to start out 70 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,600 by saying that like, we're all human and we all make mistakes. 71 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,840 And I feel like it's our responsibility in this life to 72 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:46,840 learn and grow. And so I'm never mad at anybody 73 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:49,960 for learning and growing. I can be disappointed, 74 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,360 certainly, but like, yeah, I think this is this is part of 75 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,000 the human experience. And I just kind of wanted to 76 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,640 start out by saying that before we. 77 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,160 I agree. So like everybody, obviously 78 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,520 we're all human. Well, I don't know. 79 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,160 I barely consider myself an Earthling. 80 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,440 I think sometimes I'm from Mars. But you know, it's, it's I kind 81 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,680 of feel, and I said this the other day to Angela Arlino. 82 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,840 I was talking to Angie and I said, if you're going to be an 83 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,960 educator, you have to commit to always being a lifelong student. 84 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,400 The minute you stop learning is the minute you stop growing. 85 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,480 And that is when you need to stop educating. 86 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,360 And so I think my, my frustration here is it's one 87 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,600 thing to and for we might need to like clarify for some people 88 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,040 who are listening, but it's one thing to think that you knew 89 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,080 something was one way and then to educate yourself and learn 90 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,280 and grow and realize, oh gosh, it actually was more like this 91 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,320 or, oh, I had more to learn. I didn't have the whole picture 92 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,160 here. Let me let me like kind of come 93 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,680 out and say like, oh, I learned more about this and I really 94 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 grew in this area and I wanted to let you guys know that, you 95 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,800 know, we, I, I wasn't quite there when I was talking about 96 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,560 it last month, last year, whatever. 97 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:10,600 That's not what happened here. Or, or we get new studies, we 98 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,400 get new science and we expand, right? 99 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,120 Like that's right. That happens a lot. 100 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,280 I mean, even for you and me, for sure. 101 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,040 It's like, yes, look what we just found out, right? 102 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Like, yeah. Always new stuff coming on the 103 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,240 market, always research is happening and always new 104 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,080 evidence is popping up, whether that's anecdotal evidence or, 105 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,920 you know, a peer reviewed double-blind placebo study that 106 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,560 was done in a laboratory somewhere. 107 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,640 But what we're just not super easy to find. 108 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Well, yeah, I know it's who's got the money for that. 109 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,040 But what we're talking about today is a popular influencer 110 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 brand. And I'm not going to drop names, 111 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,840 but you know, they, they put out this very long video and 112 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,800 actually a small part of me didn't even want to have this 113 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,720 live or have this discussion because I don't want to give 114 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,600 them any more views. I don't want to build their 115 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,880 platform further. And I have no doubt that some 116 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,160 people listening, if they haven't watched their video yet, 117 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,520 they're probably going to go and watch it. 118 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,880 That's fine. But we're going to do a little 119 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,480 bit of a breakdown. And it's kind of on my end, I 120 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,920 think a little bit of rebuttals about some of the things that 121 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,600 they said and some of the way they phrase things. 122 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,520 And to be honest, in general, in my opinion, almost gaslit the 123 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,240 entire holistic pet community. Yeah, it's like what it felt 124 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,760 like. Yeah. 125 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,640 So, yeah, well, and I think maybe it might be good to start 126 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,720 with like what we what we see differently an educator versus 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,840 an influencer. Like how, because I think 128 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:43,640 influencer even I know there are definitely people like Rachel 129 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,320 Cucero who like I called her an influencer one time and she was 130 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,000 like, please don't. I don't want to do that. 131 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,120 Like that's not what I want to be. 132 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,040 And I get that. And I think like influencer and 133 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,120 content creator are seem interchangeable. 134 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,640 And I feel like to be an educator, I don't think we talk 135 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,880 about educators. I think they're just lumped into 136 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,440 influencer or content creator as far as social media is 137 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,960 concerned. And I think we should be able to 138 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,000 tell to tell the difference because even in this very long 139 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,640 video that we're talking about, that we're discussing today, the 140 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,440 Doctor Who should have been an educator was very click baity 141 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,360 was very extreme, was very. And it's like, yeah, we don't 142 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,240 agree with him either. I don't know what. 143 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,919 Yeah, that wasn't, that was an interesting part of their video. 144 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:38,039 And we'll get, we'll get to that eventually when we're kind of 145 00:08:38,039 --> 00:08:39,240 talking about the different stuff. 146 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,240 But but you're right, unfortunately people who should 147 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,120 be educators sometimes turn into influencers. 148 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,560 And I don't think that might not be in and of itself a bad thing 149 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:53,840 because sometimes when you're educating somebody, you are then 150 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,640 influencing them to say like, hey, this brand of food 151 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,880 encompasses all of the things that I've been educating you 152 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,040 about and I recommend them or I use them. 153 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,520 You could check them out. So perhaps they can go hand in 154 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,160 hand. But I think what's been 155 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,120 happening, what I've been seeing in our community lately is 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,800 people who step into the space, who have good intentions for the 157 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,800 most part, without really getting that kind of deeper 158 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,440 breath of, of education and knowledge about a topic. 159 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,520 They see something, they get excited about it, they jump on 160 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,200 it and they're like, this is the best thing since sliced cheese. 161 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,640 Everybody needs to do it. And and that's kind of where the 162 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,240 the problem lies, I think. Yeah, yeah. 163 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,080 And I think also some of the problem is in just how our 164 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,240 society is today. So a couple of things that I 165 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,920 want to address about being a content creator or an 166 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,680 influencer. It is not easy. 167 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,240 It is a full time job and so you have to make money somewhere, 168 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,640 right? Like you can't have a full time 169 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,760 job, you can't have a fully functioning medical practice or 170 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,600 veterinary clinic or whatever it may be and be really good at 171 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,920 being an influencer or a content creator. 172 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Like it's just. You can try and do both and then 173 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,360 you can be like me and give yourself autoimmune thyroiditis. 174 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,880 It's totally fine. Right, but that's the thing, 175 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,520 like it is a full time job. So we have to kind of it goes 176 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,800 both ways. Like I also hate when people are 177 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,360 like, I hate that you're selling me something or I hate that 178 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 you're recommending something. I'm never going to follow you 179 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,040 again, right, because they they have to make a living too. 180 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,400 So if you dedicate your time and energy, which would have to be 181 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:44,240 full time or close to it, to educating people online, you 182 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,160 have to have a way to make income. 183 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,320 And like, as long as you are being up and up and like only 184 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,920 recommending or selling products that you actually do believe in 185 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,800 and you're not just taking any sponsorship that comes along. 186 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,640 I know for me, like having been in the space, even though I 187 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,720 still can, like I'm, I'm a mic, whatever a micro influencer is, 188 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,840 right? Like I'm small, but like I have 189 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,760 turned down hundreds of people asking me to promote their 190 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,240 product or talk about their product or I'll send you this 191 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,320 product or I'll pay you to talk about like I have turned down 192 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,400 hundreds just in the past couple of years because they don't 193 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,840 align right, right. So like if you are, if you're on 194 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,960 the up and up and you're only. So that is one thing. 195 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,080 You have to be able to trust the person you're following that 196 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,160 they're not gonna just be promoting whatever comes across 197 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,000 their desk, right? That's one thing. 198 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,440 And I don't remember the second part of what I was gonna say, so 199 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,840 there we go. That's OK. 200 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,520 That's OK. So as we mentioned, for people 201 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,920 who are listening live, we're gonna be posting this on our 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,600 podcasts. So yes, for future podcast 203 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,560 listeners. So for me, that's raw remedies, 204 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,400 a raw remedies podcast for Jess, that's the pet parenting reset. 205 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,720 So for our podcasters, you're going to hear us maybe have like 206 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,920 a respond to a couple of comments that are on the live. 207 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,720 So the healthy Pet nutrition commented and said, what's icky 208 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,520 to me is that these influencers took advantage of many people 209 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,200 and brands and then turned around and kind of gave them the 210 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,760 middle finger, right? And I agree, I think that was, 211 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,120 it's actually one of the points that they cover in their video. 212 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,280 And then she also said, And to say that there's no science 213 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,760 behind the holistic modalities upside down :) for me, upside 214 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,400 down :) means bullshit. Yeah. 215 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,400 Yeah, yeah, I agree. And that was a big hot topic for 216 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:30,960 me. Sorry. 217 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,720 My cat's probably about to knock something over. 218 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,040 That's OK. Was that like they kept saying 219 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,000 like, there's no science here, There's no science here, And 220 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,760 it's like, Oh my God, literally the science of natural medicine 221 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,200 and holistic medicine existed before there was organized 222 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,440 society. Like, don't tell me that there's 223 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,280 no science. Right, right. 224 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,600 Well, and I also think it's important to say that like I, 225 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,160 you and I, I feel like we're both this way. 226 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:01,480 I am very open to, I don't want to live in an echo chamber. 227 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,160 If you disagree with me, I'm OK with us having healthy 228 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,320 conversation and agreeing to disagree. 229 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,000 Like I'm totally OK with that. And I also think even in this 230 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,560 video today or this podcast today, like there are going to 231 00:13:15,560 --> 00:13:19,800 be things that maybe Cara and I are not 100% in agreement with 232 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,320 each other on. And like that's OK too because 233 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,120 we have different learned experiences. 234 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,520 We have lived through different things and she has an extensive 235 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:34,160 like human medical background that I don't have. 236 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,360 So we have very different experiences and we may not 100% 237 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,400 agree. And I think like, I think it's 238 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,560 very healthy for us to still have this conversation together 239 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,200 and bring it to you so that you can see that like we don't 240 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,960 always have to be 100% in agreement with each other to 241 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,960 still respect each other and not gaslight each other and not. 242 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,840 I disagree with that. OK, that's fine by me. 243 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,960 I'm just kidding. So, OK, So yes, 100%, I actually 244 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,240 100% agree with that. I don't disagree with that. 245 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,480 There's probably going to be a few talking points that we maybe 246 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,000 are are not on the same page about, and I think that's 247 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,440 totally fine. And I think that we should kind 248 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,080 of dive in and just start breaking some of this stuff 249 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:19,560 down. Yeah. 250 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,600 Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. 251 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,920 And so, so Dog taught she. I just really quickly want to 252 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,960 say she considers herself to be both an influencer and an 253 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,520 educator. I would agree. 254 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,480 I think we kind of talked about that a little earlier. 255 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,600 She recognizes her limits as an educator. 256 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,440 I, I, I feel the same way. This is why I have the podcast 257 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,800 so that I can bring people to you that know things I don't. 258 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:40,880 I never collaborate with a brand. 259 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,360 I wouldn't use very selective turn down brand deals all the 260 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:45,680 time. Completely agree. 261 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Some people who purport to be educators lack the knowledge 262 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,480 base to actually be educators, but they don't realize the 263 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,720 limits of their knowledge. And I think that is the problem. 264 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Like not realizing your limitations. 265 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,000 Exactly, and that was I had that problem when I first started 266 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,720 here, which gave me like a big almost existential crisis where 267 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,280 I had to step back and go, OK, I can't just apply everything 268 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,760 human to animal. You need to do a little bit more 269 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,640 digging. So and I think that kind of is a 270 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,520 good lead into the first point that I want to make for this 271 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,680 video. So bear with us guys, because 272 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,640 this this video that we're kind of doing a breakdown was like 2 273 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,120 1/2 hours long and we're going to try and cram it until like an 274 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,680 hour. But one of the biggest things 275 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:34,080 for me was it kind of starts out saying like we built a brand and 276 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,840 wrote a book and then went on a book tour. 277 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,120 And then we we started asking the hard questions and he had to 278 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,960 unlearn everything that we had already learned. 279 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,720 OK, that's what they said. That really disturbed me because 280 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,400 you should never be going all in and spending so much time and 281 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,960 money in reaching so many people and saying and recommending so 282 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,920 many things. If you didn't already ask the 283 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,120 hard questions. That is. 284 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,360 That's how you steer people wrong. 285 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,120 That's how you steer people wrong. 286 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,720 That's called jumping on a fad or following the hype and doing 287 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,720 signing up with brand deals and just getting the clicks and the 288 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,720 likes and the follows rather than actually knowing the 289 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,240 information inside and out before you put it out there for 290 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,080 people to consume. So that's like how they kind of 291 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,800 open their video explanation and I immediately was really 292 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,960 disturbed by that. So, and apparently so, is Bear, 293 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,040 if you can hear him barking. Yeah. 294 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Well, and that's like, you know, and probably why it took us so 295 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:45,080 long to get to do this video because I, it took me, it took 296 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:51,240 me not 4 consecutive days, but the, the, when I sat down to 297 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,320 watch this video, four whole days for me to get through the 298 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,520 video because I would start and I would get so frustrated and 299 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 like, I didn't want to have those feelings. 300 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,200 I need to like I'm, I've been learning to actually feel my 301 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,520 feelings again and like process them. 302 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,000 And I, I would have to turn the video off. 303 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,160 I'd have to pause it and be like, I will come back to this 304 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 later. And, but that actually reminds 305 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,200 me of the thing that I was going to say earlier is that in our 306 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,599 society, right? Like they, this book deal was 307 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:23,040 brought to them. And that, that was one of the 308 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,160 things that bothered me. Like I was really happy for them 309 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,600 when that happened because somebody like Rodney or Karen 310 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Rita Hogan with her herbal dog book, like they had to fight and 311 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,080 fight and fight and fight to get their book published. 312 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,240 And this this book deal was brought to them. 313 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,160 And I was so freaking happy for them for that. 314 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,600 And it it's like A to me, OK, the forever dog did amazing. 315 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,080 The forever dog like did amazing. 316 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,080 The herbal dog has done amazing. So those are really great proof 317 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,040 of concept that there is a market for these types of books. 318 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,520 But the way the human brain works is that you can have like 319 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,080 20 amazing experiences and that one bad experiences is going to 320 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,760 ruin all of it. And now like, I'm so curious how 321 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,640 publishers are going to look at this. 322 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,560 Yeah. And see this one bad experience. 323 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,520 I worry that it's going to be like a, you know, one step 324 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,200 forward, 2 steps back when something like this happens. 325 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,840 I think you can really reverberate and backfire in a 326 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,640 community like ours, which can be contentious and where we have 327 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,000 so many big opinions and, you know, people with big brains and 328 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,600 lots of knowledge. And, and you already, I think 329 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,240 find it difficult not to fight amongst ourselves, which is 330 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,880 frustrating in and of itself. But then when something like 331 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,560 this happens, I, I almost feel like it's like the people 332 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,320 waiting the in the wings who are now going, I told you so See, I 333 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,120 knew it was bullshit, right? And I hate that because that's 334 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:50,640 not what our community is about, right? 335 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,000 It really it's about building each other up and, and educating 336 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,200 and just literally all we all want is for our animals to live 337 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,160 better lives. And and I think you have these 338 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,600 influencers want that too, right? 339 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,360 They only ended up here because they wanted their dogs to live 340 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,240 the longest, healthiest, best lives possible. 341 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:12,240 And they still want that. It's just that I think the way 342 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,520 they're going about things is just not the way I would do it. 343 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,120 Oops, yeah. My cat's causing an earthquake. 344 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,520 For me and and look again going back to like I'm not perfect. 345 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:31,040 I don't know everything I I have put out video saying I was 346 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:32,160 wrong. Yeah. 347 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,680 Two that I can think of off the top of my head, one of which I 348 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,240 now I'm like, was I wrong? I don't know, like, like I'm 349 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,080 because I keep learning because we keep getting new science, 350 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:47,120 because we keep getting true, like real experts who spend 351 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,480 their lives doing the research and studying the science, 352 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,680 saying, you know, when we really put, we have these new studies 353 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,760 or when we put these other studies together, like maybe, 354 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,200 maybe, maybe this, maybe not. And, and I but I also think 355 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,120 that's one of the things that is so difficult in every space. 356 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,480 By the way, I think that, you know, allopathic western 357 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,040 medicine really we've gotten, it's like checkbox medicine, 358 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,800 right? Like that's where we are today. 359 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,920 And so they they have done a really, really good job in kind 360 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,400 of indoctrinating us as a society to say everything fits 361 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,840 in a box and when it doesn't. That hurts us so badly that 362 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,240 we're like, we can't handle it, right, We can't handle it. 363 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,080 But the reality of the whole world we live in is that nothing 364 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,400 fits in a box. And I think that's one of the 365 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,400 things that I conversations I know I had this weekend because 366 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,560 we I just went to the more, you know, pet Wellness them and 367 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,320 listening to some amazing speakers, though, who, by the 368 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,160 way, Dr. Connor Brady gets up on stage and says, yeah, I'm 369 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,320 constantly telling you guys that I was wrong because I learned 370 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,560 something new. Look at Doctor Karen Becker. 371 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,840 She's also a great example. Do you remember when she talked 372 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,360 about how she was so sad that she had been recommending early 373 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:02,480 spay and neuter, you know, 20 years ago and now? 374 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,200 Yeah, it took 20 years for us to realize the effects that that 375 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,120 was causing to animals, right? She followed the best science 376 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:12,480 that she had back then and, you know, just in terms of 377 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,040 population control and all of the trouble that we were having 378 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,280 in America 20 years ago. But things changed. 379 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,760 The research came out, evidence was presented, and she went, 380 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:24,720 damn, I need to update my practices. 381 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Hey guys, let me be transparent about this. 382 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,280 That's the right way. That's the right way to say 383 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,960 you've learned better. Right. 384 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,760 What we're discussing that's the wrong way. 385 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,600 But it wasn't. It was part of the conversation 386 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,160 that we were having like privately, like in the with the 387 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,480 speakers and the vendors and the sponsors like us behind. 388 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,680 Like after all the pet parents went home. 389 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,840 I, I don't, that sounds weird. We're pet parents too. 390 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Like I'm not othering people. But like the conversations we 391 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,320 were having were like, I get why this is so hard for a lot of 392 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,280 people because even amongst us, even in one day where we brought 393 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,000 5 speakers together and I don't know, 10 vendors, like we are in 394 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:12,880 one day telling pet parents contradictory information from 395 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,080 the stage right between the speakers. 396 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,600 There's contradictory information. 397 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,160 And like I think all of the speakers, all of the people that 398 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,120 we know and love are really good about saying this is what I 399 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,720 currently believe. But also there's room like we 400 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:35,280 never, I think we try really hard to never come out saying 401 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,360 it's black and white. We always come out saying this 402 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,160 is what I'm currently believing based on the research, but 403 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,200 everything is Gray, right? And I think that's not what 404 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,120 happened in this video. Yeah, I agree. 405 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,520 You know, it's funny, they kind of they kind of make it clear 406 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,160 that they have a bit of a black and white mentality also very 407 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,440 close to being of the video. Because another thing that they 408 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,120 mention is when they first kind of realized that this was the 409 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,000 space that they wanted to step into and they had all of these, 410 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,360 you know, truth bombs coming at them about things that they had 411 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,080 never thought of before. One of the things that they did 412 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,400 is like a complete almost kind of like a health cleanse and, 413 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,400 and gave themselves an incredibly restrictive diet, 414 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,480 which, you know, allowed them to feel healthier and lose a lot of 415 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,240 weight. But they felt like it was 416 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,320 completely unsustainable and overly restricting and kind of 417 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,480 tout that as being like a negative of like being in the 418 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,480 space and kind of like following, well, almost like 419 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,000 following other influencers, right. 420 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,440 And I completely agree that sounds very restrictive. 421 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,040 But that's also not what the holistic pet spaces is 422 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,120 recommending people do. We are recommending A healthier 423 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,840 way of life, yes, but that way of life shouldn't be restricting 424 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,800 or unsustainable. As a matter of fact, I don't 425 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,800 think that I have heard anybody speak to the importance of 426 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,560 feeding fresh food without talking about how to make it 427 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,880 sustainable in a long time. I mean everything when I'm 428 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,440 talking about I have, you know, experts on or nutritionists on 429 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,040 or even on my website. I have a whole. 430 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:15,240 I spent almost, I don't even know, 2-3 weeks combing through 431 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:21,440 the Internet to find as many co-ops by state as possible in 432 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:26,080 compiling that onto a web page for people like the people in 433 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,760 this space want everyone to succeed. 434 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,640 Yeah. You know, if we didn't, we 435 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,680 wouldn't be here and also we'd be out of a job. 436 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,560 I mean, not I'm not called a job, but like for a lot of 437 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,760 people, this is our job. And if, if we couldn't make this 438 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,080 sustainable for people, if it was like, haha, chump got you 439 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,320 and then move on to the next every single time. 440 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,640 I'm sorry, where do you think we would be? 441 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,640 This is millions of people that come back over and over and over 442 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,680 and are continuing to do this lifelong. 443 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,600 So making things unsustainable sounds like more of a personal 444 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,240 problem, not something that the holistic space stands for. 445 00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:04,440 Yeah, I, I completely agree with that. 446 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,880 And also it's really easy to look at the extremes on either 447 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,960 side and say, because they scream at us, right? 448 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,600 The majority of the population is pretty quiet. 449 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,640 It's those extremes that are so loud all the time. 450 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,600 And I think that's what I saw a lot of in this video was the 451 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,800 extremes, the the and because I've seen it too, I've heard it 452 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,520 too. You shouldn't, you shouldn't be 453 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,000 allowed to own a dog if you can't afford to feed them a 454 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,520 species appropriate diet. Like I would never say that to 455 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,480 anybody because you know what a fed dog is better than a 456 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,320 starving dog. And like a dog in a loving home 457 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,120 is better than a dog on the street, right? 458 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:49,560 Like you do the best you can. I mean, I think that is 459 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,280 something that we all have had to learn also can I think a lot 460 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,920 of us, maybe not all of us, but a lot of us start out with like, 461 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,160 no, we have to do it this way because this is the right way 462 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,760 and this is what works. And then we kind of learn really 463 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,280 quickly, hopefully that like you're not, you're not going to 464 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,840 get very far that way because that is unsustainable. 465 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,760 So bringing in the extremes that the extremes are unsustainable. 466 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,480 And unfortunately, the extremes, you're right, are the ones that 467 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,960 tend to shout the loudest, but they're also the ones that I 468 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,760 think are easy enough to go all right. 469 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,840 Well, that person's maybe being a little bit of a zealot about 470 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,320 this and we need to just. For sure, yeah. 471 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,480 They can be, they might be the loudest, but sometimes they're 472 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,600 the easiest to ignore and you can just put the upside down :) 473 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,200 and go about your day. Right. 474 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,680 And I do think, I do think some of it, and I like reading 475 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,760 through some of your notes on, on the video, like I'm probably 476 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,960 jumping all around here, but like there definitely are 477 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,000 creators and influencers. I don't think educators. 478 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,240 I think educators are the ones most frustrated with the 479 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,000 algorithms because we are so against doing click baity 480 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,880 things. Like we might try them in a very 481 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,720 subtle way here and there, like learning that you've got to 482 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,480 catch somebody's attention in the first 3 seconds by saying 483 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,480 something. You know what I mean? 484 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,440 Like we try to do those things because we want people to see 485 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,840 the content and hear the content and realize that like there's 486 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,520 more there than just the click bait. 487 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,680 But a lot of creators and influencers especially are very 488 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,240 click baity. So could I think of an instance 489 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,760 where I would want somebody to eat a piece of chocolate over an 490 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,640 apple maybe, Right. If it's like organic dark 491 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:41,440 chocolate, fair trade whatever versus like a non organic apple 492 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,880 covered in a peel, maybe I would want you to eat. 493 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,800 In glyphosate just prior to to consuming it, yeah. 494 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Maybe I would want you to eat the chocolate versus the apple. 495 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,280 It's like Snow White 2 point O an apple. 496 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,000 Yeah, yeah. Oh. 497 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,480 My God, no, I, I yes, I I know what you're saying. 498 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Sometimes it feels like you are capitulating to get someone to 499 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,520 watch. And yeah, because it is 500 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,120 frustrating at the end of the day. 501 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,440 And you know what? I have cried. 502 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,080 I'm not ashamed. I have cried to you, Jess, to my 503 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,040 husband many times. My poor husband. 504 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,400 He's a St. about how I spend so much time and effort. 505 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,000 First, educating myself. Second, turning that education 506 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,800 into content. Excuse me, Goose. 507 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,440 Sorry. My cat decided it would be a 508 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,000 great time to step right in front of the camera. 509 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760 So make it, getting the education, putting it into a 510 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,520 format that I think people will like taking the time to like 511 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,640 upload it to each social or to, you know, make it into a Canva 512 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,720 presentation or whatever, record it, whatever it is, and then put 513 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,160 it out there for the world to see. 514 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,840 And you get like three people to view it. 515 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,640 And you're like, well, that's cool. 516 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080 I spent 30 hours on this. It's frustrating, it's 517 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,240 exhausting, and it's not fair. It's not fair when you see 518 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160 people like this, people who catapulted themselves to fame by 519 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,880 saying the right things and making click baity videos and 520 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,760 following all the trends just to pull the rug out from under 521 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,600 1,000,000 followers according to what they say in their video and 522 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,520 be like, actually, we didn't really mean most of that. 523 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,000 Like it's infuriating. Yeah, it is. 524 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,520 It is very frustrating and I get a tangent. 525 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,360 You know, you're good. Like it's, it's, it's the 526 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:32,760 reality of where we are and it's the reality of society that like 527 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,640 we can't, we can't sit and watch a 20 minute video anymore, 528 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,440 right? Like if you can't catch my 529 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,320 attention in three seconds, I've got no time for you. 530 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,680 Right? Like that. 531 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200 It's, it sucks. We've allowed it to happen, 532 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,400 right, with advertising and video games, and I mean with 533 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,640 social media in general, like it's very much, you know, a slot 534 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,240 machine very much like that's what they're designed to be is 535 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,560 each one of these platforms is like, how can we get better at 536 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240 being that slot machine that you can't walk away from? 537 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,560 That's the whole point of social media platforms. 538 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,600 So, you know, trying to figure out and I think that's, that is 539 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,520 one of the really I and I cried. I cried watching the video we're 540 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,480 talking about. And I remember texting you when 541 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,440 I felt like the I forced myself to sit there the last like 30 542 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,120 minutes of the video without stopping it. 543 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:27,160 And I was just, I was bawling, crying because one, mostly for 544 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,840 the pet parents that are going to see that video and think that 545 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,440 now they're doing everything wrong. 546 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,320 Yeah. When I don't think they are, I 547 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320 don't think they are. I agree. 548 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760 I'm very afraid that this is going to either turn people off 549 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,280 from the community because they're going to feel like 550 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,760 things are too divisive or that we're wishy washy or that people 551 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,080 are going to take what they say to heart to the detriment of 552 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,600 their pets. And I, I really hope that's not 553 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,040 what happens. Yeah. 554 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,560 You know what another one of the points that gets made in this 555 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,400 video is, And I think I actually quoted it in my notes, it was 556 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,440 said, quote, those who spread misinformation often aren't 557 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,400 aware of it. They actually believe they're 558 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,240 doing what's best for them and other people. 559 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,880 End Quote. I agree, that's very true. 560 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,680 What's not true is to apply that quote to the holistic community 561 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,280 as a whole. That is very wrong. 562 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,120 Yeah. You know, and it aggravates me 563 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:26,080 because they keep talking about how holistic modalities aren't 564 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,320 aren't backed by science. Or they talk about how like one 565 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,560 of the big points that they make is how they were all gung ho 566 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,440 about raw milk for a long time and that they were considering 567 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,040 doing just like drinking only raw milk for like a month to do 568 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,440 a reset and then pulled back and realized that they pulled back 569 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,800 and realized that that that they weren't going to. 570 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,120 I'm I'm pretty sure I and I can't, you know, say quotations 571 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,920 again, but they said something along the lines of we realized 572 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,240 that that wasn't going to give us the nutrients that we need. 573 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,520 And it's like. You know, because we eat off of 574 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,880 a spreadsheet every day. Exactly, I just had a podcast 575 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,680 episode on raw Romney's podcast with the amazing Roxanne Stone 576 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,920 of solutions pet product. She's products. 577 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,960 She's amazing and we talked about raw milk restorative 578 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,640 diets. There is literally I where did I 579 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,520 I even I put it up here on my thing. 580 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,600 This since the 90s, doctors, physicians at the Mayo Clinic, 581 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,560 which is one of the most famous clinics in America, have used 582 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,720 raw milk to help reset and restore chronic gut conditions, 583 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,760 autoimmune conditions, all kinds of things, allergies. 584 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:43,920 There is so much data about raw milk and how it helps people 585 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360 when they're younger and can also help when you're older. 586 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,560 And a lot of that has been applied to animals to just throw 587 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,720 that out casually and be like, well, we realized it wasn't 588 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,320 giving us the nutrients we need. Please Jesus, it explained to me 589 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,240 how we feed babies nothing but raw milk for like 12 months of 590 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,240 life and they grow into tiny humans. 591 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,640 Can you please explain that to me? 592 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,520 And it builds their immune system. 593 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,560 It literally builds their immune system. 594 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,720 Like that? There's a reason why we use it 595 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,640 for restorative diets. I mean I do this with my clients 596 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,400 all the time. It does that mean me that that 597 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,960 that was rough because the reality is the reality is that 598 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,000 the majority of milk production in this country is in 599 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,080 industrialized lot raised cattle. 600 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,680 And to me, I would never drink that milk raw like that no, so 601 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,160 it I would I would very much like that to be the inverse. 602 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120 I would, I would love for the majority of milk on the market 603 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,320 to be raw and I would love for the majority, all cattle to be 604 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240 raised regeneratively and naturally. 605 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,840 That's not where we are. So no, like if you go into a, 606 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,840 you know, an industrial ranch, I would not drink that milk raw. 607 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,880 No, all you need to do is drive by it on the highway and you can 608 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520 smell why you would never want to drink or eat any of that 609 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,560 product. So, yeah, terrifying. 610 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,280 Yeah. Yeah. 611 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,880 But that's, you know, that's not what we're talking about. 612 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,280 We're talking about raw. Like true, safe raw with amazing 613 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,080 requirements. And for anybody who's listening, 614 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440 check out Raw Farms in California. 615 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,480 And Mark McAfee is the owner and founder of Raw Farms. 616 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,719 He's phenomenal. I have met him in person. 617 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,600 I've interviewed him on my podcast. 618 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:34,400 I went to his ranch, I saw how his cows were raised. 619 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,760 I saw his facility. I saw how they test every single 620 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,480 batch multiple times for pathogenic organisms. 621 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,480 I mean, I literally saw their laboratory. 622 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,440 The ones that are doing it right are doing it right. 623 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,280 And those that's, that's how you do a restorative diet, right. 624 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,560 So raw cow milk from them, raw goat milk from, you know, green 625 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,160 juju solutions. Now they have the sheep nog 626 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,520 solutions. I mean, they have, they're doing 627 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,840 it right. Asian has ruined the dairy 628 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,600 industry unfortunately. I mean so much. 629 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,840 It created a lot of controversy and I don't think that's 630 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,880 something that's ever going to change. 631 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,200 And also we could probably spend like 45 minutes on just that 632 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,480 alone. But but that was one of the 633 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,720 points that got me. I know the most riled up, if you 634 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,800 couldn't tell by how riled up I just got again. 635 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,840 I, I had, I had a couple of other moments that got me just 636 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,120 as riled up not to actually. Before we go into it, I just 637 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,240 want to read a couple of these comments on from the live. 638 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,800 SO 4 rooted Plas mentioned in my eyes, they've lost all their 639 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,880 credibility. I agree. 640 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,120 And to be honest, last year even before they came out with the 641 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,440 whole we don't recommend raw milk anymore, I saw that they 642 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,000 started doing affiliate, affiliate links with the 643 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,000 farmer's dog. That was that was the moment for 644 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,080 me. That was it for me because I 645 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,640 know what's in the farmer's dog formulations and it's not 646 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,600 something that I would recommend I. 647 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Would recommend it's it's fresh formulated as kibble. 648 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,040 Yeah. Like that's how I see it. 649 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,640 Lots of seed oils, lots of potatoes and peas and things 650 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,600 that our dogs don't need. So as soon as I saw that 651 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,720 partnership, I was like, I see what's happening here. 652 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,840 It's where can I make the most money? 653 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,600 So that really that's kind of when it flew out the window for 654 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,880 me. Dining with Dina. 655 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,640 That's a cute name said. I say we just thank, thank them 656 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,120 for showing us who they really are and hope that we've all 657 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,440 learned a valuable lesson. Be careful who you take advice 658 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,160 from. I agree. 659 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,000 I agree. Oh hi to Sonia. 660 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:40,760 Sonia from raw pets food is here. 661 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,640 I love raw pets. That's where I order a lot of my 662 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,920 food from. She's amazing. 663 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,000 Dog Tot said. I didn't watch the entire video, 664 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,120 but from what I did watch I didn't think their views changed 665 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,880 that drastically, framing the change as drastic as click bait 666 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,760 itself. I. 667 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,160 Agree, they definitely made a title that was kind of click 668 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120 bait Yi think to try and get as many people to click as 669 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,720 possible. But they definitely have 670 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:04,840 drastically changed their views. Because to say I went from 671 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080 drinking all raw milk to saying we don't trust raw milk anymore, 672 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,560 saying that, you know, they went all in on vet visits, no 673 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,640 vaccines, no flea chemicals, only raw. 674 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,680 And now they're pulling back and saying like, we still believe in 675 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,080 fresh, but we don't think raw is best. 676 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,920 And we we thought that vaccines were the devil and now we know 677 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,920 that's not true. And it's like they really, they 678 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:32,760 swung from extreme to extreme. It's all about the conversation 679 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,120 for each thing. Yeah. 680 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,000 So it's it's not that some of the views that they're 681 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,480 presenting right now I think is wrong. 682 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,760 I agree raw isn't for every pet. Fresh food in general is just 683 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,400 better. But it doesn't have to be raw. 684 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,520 Yeah. Just like a lot of points that 685 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,040 they made. But the biggest point, the 686 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,800 biggest problem is that they did so much gas lighting and made it 687 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,560 seem like there's no science here, that we don't back up what 688 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,200 we say and that we're all just influencing people. 689 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,320 And, and we'll get to, I have another point later. 690 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,040 I think that will kind of solidify some of those things. 691 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,440 So I'll come back to that. But OK, I think that was that 692 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,120 was most of them. Oh, dining with Gina said I 693 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,480 never found them credible. I asked many of my friends what 694 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,800 even made them experts on anything. 695 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,240 Same. And I personally never thought 696 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,800 they were experts on anything. I mean, I don't consider myself 697 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,720 an expert on anything either, but I was pretty darn happy with 698 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:30,200 the reach they were getting for the message that I do believe 699 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,560 in. Yeah. 700 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 So that's where I was like, yeah, if you don't. 701 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,440 Have the reach. It doesn't matter what you say, 702 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,680 no one's there to hear. It I mean, I think, I think 703 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,800 they're going to, I think they'll probably keep some of 704 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,480 their audience, especially the people who aren't in this, like 705 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:49,440 if those were the only influence influencers they were following 706 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,360 about holistic health. If they didn't get into and 707 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,200 start looking into anybody else or following anybody else, 708 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,480 they'll probably keep those people and sadly transition them 709 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,720 back. In my opinion, sadly transition 710 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,600 them back. But I do think they're going to 711 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,760 have to build a whole new audience. 712 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,320 Yeah, and I'm sure they'll find it. 713 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,640 Yeah, I'm sure they'll. No, they're, it's out there. 714 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,160 I mean, PetSmart and Chewy and Petco and Banfield and VC, like 715 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,320 they're thriving for a reason, right? 716 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,560 You know what I mean? Like the audience is there for 717 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,400 sure. Banfield makes me cringe. 718 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,640 Makes me cringe. All right, What? 719 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,080 You were going to make a point about one of the things in the 720 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,280 video that bothered you. So so many things bothered me 721 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,680 honestly. Like I didn't quote anything 722 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,360 here, but to say herbs in nature aren't designed by scientists 723 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,680 and they aren't studied for health. 724 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,920 Like that's what I took from it from one of the first things 725 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,040 they they mentioned, like and just being in the space, I could 726 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,640 tell who they were targeting all along the way. 727 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,480 And that bothering me too. But like, yeah, like whatever 728 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,200 you believe in God, the universe guy, like whatever you want to 729 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,000 call it, the earth gives us so much like if we and humans have 730 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,080 destroyed it. One of the one of the things 731 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,560 that it just popped in my head, Connor talked about, I think 732 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,840 this was just like at the coffee talk yesterday, but he said. 733 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,880 No, it might have been on stage. He was like, if you zoom out to 734 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,480 like a world view, whatever you believe in a creator or the 735 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,800 universe or whatever, and we say, what is what's a pathogen? 736 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,880 And you look at the Earth, humans are the pathogen. 737 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,800 Yeah, right. You know what I mean? 738 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,240 So like that it was absolutely humans are the pathogen, humans 739 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:39,880 are the weed, humans are the pathogen, humans are the ones 740 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,520 that are but without us. Like if we take, if we take away 741 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,120 what we have done to the Earth since industrialization, if we 742 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,520 go back before industrialization, we can look 743 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,240 and see that the Earth gave us everything we needed, just not 744 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,760 in anybody's financial interest, right, To keep it that way. 745 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360 That's that's that's what I see. That's how I see it. 746 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560 Yeah, I think I, I think I remember Doctor Connor talking 747 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,720 about that a little bit at the International Naturally Healthy 748 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:08,280 Pets conference. He was talking about like, what 749 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,280 is a pathogen? What makes something a pathogen? 750 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,600 I really like that reference because you're right, we have 751 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,560 kind of turned and burned the world since we've been on it. 752 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,440 But, you know, now I think it's a bit more synergistic, right? 753 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,720 It would exist without us, but I guess we can't exist. 754 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:23,280 With us. True. 755 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,120 Very true. We need to just do a little bit 756 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,840 better to keep our hosts in good health. 757 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,240 Right, yeah, so Millie's Real Life asked a question, Healthy 758 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,160 Pet Nutrition kind of answered, but I want to jump into it just 759 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,960 really quickly. Millie's real Life says how do 760 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,080 you feel about the effectiveness of homeopathy? 761 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,880 I know there's not much info and studies on it for pets. 762 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,440 Healthy Pet Nutrition says homeopathy has been around 763 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,160 forever. Doctor Richard Pitt Karen is a 764 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,040 great resource. My understanding about 765 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640 homeopathy, which is pretty limited, though I have had 766 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,480 multiple homeopathic veterinarians on my podcast to 767 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,040 talk about it, is that we knew for ever that homeopathy worked. 768 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,040 Hanneman, I think, was the originator. 769 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,040 Is that right of homeopathy? Doctor Hanneman, I believe 770 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,600 nothing about homeopathy. It's one of the things that I'm 771 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040 actually very intimidated about and can't wait to learn more 772 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,920 about in the future. I'm I'm intimidated about it to 773 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,720 even after having talked to so many people about it, it still 774 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,840 intimidates me to try to use it like I'm not. 775 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,040 I will not practice with it. I will not. 776 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,280 I don't know anything near enough to recommend. 777 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,560 Like, that's one of my limitations, right? 778 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:26,920 I know that's a limitation I have. 779 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,640 So Hanneman, I believe, was the name of the doctor that 780 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,520 originated the homeopathy. We knew so much that it worked 781 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,640 so well. The majority of hospitals in the 782 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,920 US used to be homeopathic hospitals. 783 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,040 And then was it, was it Rockefeller? 784 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,080 So he also was very much, he knew and believed in and wrote 785 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,040 about the power of homeopathy. But once he started making all 786 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:56,680 of his money through oil and found out through oil and and 787 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,160 then petroleum and now pharmaceuticals being petroleum 788 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,520 based, he very effectively went out and said no more homeopathy, 789 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,080 killed all the homeopathic hospitals to promote petroleum 790 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960 based pharmaceuticals. This is this was very 791 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:18,800 intentional for you. 100 years later, 100 + 3 years later, to 792 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,600 not even think that homeopathy has basis in science. 793 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,240 No, it absolutely does. It absolutely does. 794 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,600 We just have to remember it and find it again. 795 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,600 I just don't know enough about it, but it's something that I 796 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,480 definitely plan on adding to the toolbox one day once I get more 797 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,560 confident with the other things that I'm already using. 798 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,440 Right thing at a time, right? Not a little bit of this, a 799 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,920 little bit of that. Not dabbling. 800 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,880 I'm diving so right. Can't dive into one until you 801 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,960 finish swimming through the other. 802 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,920 And then Librella. I was. 803 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,800 So I wasn't even sad about Librella. 804 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,280 I was angry. About it, I need to like go lay 805 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,200 down and like curl into a ball like I can't with the librella. 806 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,160 I was angry about the librella. So they made a. 807 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400 They made a comment about so they mentioned librella and like 808 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,760 how senior dogs might have better quality of life if they 809 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,680 take that librella and that pet parents have no business shaming 810 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,640 someone for giving it to their dog even if it means that the 811 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,360 dog ends up with issues down the line because of taking the 812 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,720 librella. They were making a case that 813 00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,560 like if it helps them now, even if it causes problems down the 814 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,000 line, they shouldn't be shamed. That is bullshit. 815 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,640 Well, that. Takes me mad no? 816 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,320 Yes but I I don't believe in shaming people. 817 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,160 I agree with the don't shame people part, yes I agree. 818 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,480 Don't shame people, but. However. 819 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,880 Educate people. It's not about shaming. 820 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,880 It's about educating. You don't you don't say like, 821 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,920 well, it's OK if you do this even though it's going to cause 822 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,000 kidney failure later. As long as they can get up and 823 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,120 walk around for two weeks. No, that's not what we do here. 824 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,880 We say let's look into these multiple holistic and natural 825 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,400 modalities that don't have side effects like that, that aren't 826 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,440 going to potentially end your pets life sooner just because it 827 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,200 gave them a few weeks of relief. Once we learned what this drug 828 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,520 was doing to animals, the outcry should be echoing across the 829 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480 mountain tops. So should anyone be shaming 830 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,400 ever? No, but it's not. 831 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,880 I don't know, I just was really disturbed by them. 832 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:29,560 Saying my issue is not at all with pet parents giving Labrella 833 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,520 and Silencia to their dogs and cats. 834 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,280 My issue is with the lack of informed consent in the 835 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,520 veterinary industry. So I mean in the, in the human 836 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,160 medical industry as well, but we're we're talking about there, 837 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,320 there is no, I don't know what we get. 838 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,440 What do we get informed consent on when we go to the 839 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520 veterinarians office? Like, I don't even know, maybe. 840 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,480 Surgery, that's about it because you have to sign for it. 841 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,080 But no, I agree. My own animal is the exact same 842 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,920 example. Bear got cytopoint for years. 843 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,880 Never one time was I told about risk factors associated with 844 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,200 cytopoint. Never was I given information 845 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,960 about adverse effects. Never was I given the insert in 846 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,560 the package for this shot, not even when I had to come back 847 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,040 sooner and sooner in between each shot, not realizing why 848 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,360 that was happening and why it wasn't lasting as long for him. 849 00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,720 Zero information. It was literally offered to me 850 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,760 as a miracle drug. Your dog has allergies. 851 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,920 Well, we can give him this and his symptoms are going to go 852 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,480 away. So. 853 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,360 And that's unfortunately what happens with a lot of these 854 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,200 pharmaceuticals, Librella included and that one. 855 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,720 Yeah, pretty scary. It's it for me it is. 856 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,440 It is all about informed consent. 857 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,360 Because yes, if you have a 17 year old dog who can barely 858 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200 walk, but you just feel it in your heart that they're not 859 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,520 ready to go yet, then OK, If this is something you want to 860 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,400 try and you understand what the risks are, OK. 861 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,440 But on a four year old dog, we don't even know the extent of 862 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,680 what nerve growth factor does in the body. 863 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,560 So we don't know the extent of what the the risks are. 864 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,800 Yeah, I got, you're right. Like you said, nothing is black 865 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,520 or white. And I could make a case that 866 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,320 maybe if you want to set up home euthanasia services, right. 867 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,800 Or maybe you have some kids at college and you want them to be 868 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,880 able to come home and say, you know, goodbye or or maybe you 869 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,640 really are only hoping for another two weeks, two months. 870 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,040 Yeah. Yeah. 871 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,680 OK. I could see, I could see 872 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,000 reaching for that fix momentarily. 873 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,480 Momentarily. Not if you want yours left with 874 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,520 your animal, because you're not going to get it if you give 875 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,880 this. I don't know, but yes. 876 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,760 I agree, but pet parents don't know that. 877 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,720 Yeah, yeah. Yes, and no one's telling it to 878 00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:47,920 them except the Internet after something has happened to their 879 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,280 pet, because why else would they look until it's unfortunately 880 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,800 too late? Yeah, yeah. 881 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:58,760 Well, it's also so telling to me that like they they put is it 882 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:04,480 Zoetis that puts out Elborella? I don't even know around the 883 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,680 world, other countries have the disclosure and we had to fight 884 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,320 to get the disclosure in our pamphlets in our product 885 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,240 packaging. So this. 886 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:16,600 Was the point that I was going to make earlier. 887 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,440 And then I wanted to wait in this in this lovely video that 888 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,880 we're we've been talking about now for 45 minutes, they 889 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:27,240 reference a different video, an interview between a Doctor 890 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,840 Gundry, who's a cardiologist and Doctor Mike, who's a family 891 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,640 physician. Now, Doctor Mike is one of those 892 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,560 people on the Internet that I would say is both an educator 893 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,520 and an influencer. He's very well known. 894 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,600 He's very handsome. He has a giant Newfoundland 895 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,760 named Bear who is like a walking pillow. 896 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,680 OK. I enjoy Doctor Mike. 897 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,280 Doctor Mike. Too I watch some of his videos. 898 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,200 Yeah, Doctor Mike reaches a lot of people and he's doing the 899 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,880 things right. He knows how to make YouTube 900 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,680 content and he's famous for it. So. 901 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,320 But in that content, his true goal and his passion is 902 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,360 education. And to be honest, I actually 903 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,640 didn't even look up this Doctor Gundry guy afterwards. 904 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,960 I probably should have to see like what he actually stands 905 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,640 for. But essentially what was he 906 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,440 going on about Jesse? He was talking about how like 907 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,000 fruits and vegetables are like bad for you or something. 908 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,360 Like he made a, he made like one random statement like apples are 909 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,120 poison or something. Yeah. 910 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,240 Well, in that psychologist trying to be a nutritionist, 911 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,520 even though we all know that in traditional medical school we 912 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,280 don't get nutrition education. So there's that. 913 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:41,800 So, but I think, I do think he is trying to be an influencer 914 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,840 and kind of hopping on some of the bandwagons because Gundry, 915 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,120 it is Gundry. Gundry, yes, Doctor Gundry. 916 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,840 Because it is true that the fruits and vegetables we have 917 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,520 today are genetically modified. They are not the fruits and 918 00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,280 vegetables that humans would have been eaten. 919 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,960 Yes, most of them. Or dipped in pesticides. 920 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,160 Or, you know, like grown in soil that's depleted in nutrients. 921 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,080 True. Yes, true. 922 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,120 Yeah. So it's not that his argument 923 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:14,720 isn't rooted in truth, He's just taking it to an extreme to get 924 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,040 people's attention. Yeah, as he also answers. 925 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,120 He also was using like kind of like disarming language. 926 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,600 So essentially the reason why the influencers that we're 927 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,160 talking about use this video as an example is because this 928 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,080 doctor Gundry, who is not a nutritionist, he's not certified 929 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,360 as a nutritionist. He's a cardiologist. 930 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,200 He made some admittedly kind of outlandish, outrageous 931 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,360 statements about like nutrition and about eating fruits and 932 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:47,560 vegetables, things like that. He was talking about like this 933 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,640 pathway essentially. I think the whole thing that 934 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,920 sparked the conversation was he was saying like it's OK to smoke 935 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,680 cigarettes because nicotine is good for you. 936 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,600 Because he tried to say that like nicotine becomes nicotinic 937 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,360 acid which is vitamin B3 and like you want your whatever. 938 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,360 Yeah, yeah. He just like, goes down this 939 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,560 ridiculous pathway and Doctor Mike is trying to corner him and 940 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:12,360 make him say, essentially make it clear that he's full of shit. 941 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:14,480 Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. 942 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,040 And. He was, he was. 943 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,920 This is a stupid video. He is full of shit. 944 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,880 I can't even believe that he would let Doctor Mike interview 945 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,040 him knowing that he was going to completely pick him apart. 946 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:26,600 But the point of this is, is, you know, in this video, they're 947 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,480 saying that Doctor Gundry used like disarming language and red 948 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,640 flag language and specific tactics to like disarm and 949 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,840 reroute people to make it seem like he knew what he was talking 950 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,640 about when he actually had no idea. 951 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:48,520 And that video, those tactics, that is what they're saying the 952 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,280 holistic community and holistic vets are doing. 953 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,600 They're saying that we are using red flags and specific tactics 954 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,080 to like, make pet parents think that there's more evidence or 955 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,560 more science or we know more about a topic than we actually 956 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,400 do because we're using fancy language and essentially fooling 957 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,760 them. And I was just so disappointed 958 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680 that they would take such an obvious example of somebody 959 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,000 really skewing the science and making outrageous statements and 960 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,840 then try and say that that's how we as the holistic community act 961 00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,200 and tried to like, make money off of pet parents. 962 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,800 I was just really grossed out by that. 963 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:32,120 Yeah, and I I completely like I don't out of anybody in the 964 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:36,360 holistic pet space that uses tactics like that. 965 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,320 I'm just gonna go with wherever you're pointing in a finger. 966 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560 Therefore going back 3 going back to you. 967 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,360 That's probably the worst thing that I'm gonna say on this whole 968 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,320 whole live. But this is this is exactly like 969 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,880 an average person who has no bandwidth that are just they're, 970 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,720 they're getting through their life, right? 971 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,000 They are, And I, I feel it too. They're getting through their 972 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,800 life. They're working their 9 to 5 or 973 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,680 whatever. They're working there maybe two 974 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,680 or three jobs in this economy. I have no idea. 975 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,560 They're just trying to do the best for their kids and for 976 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,120 their pets. They don't have the bandwidth to 977 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,560 really research things. You see clips, you see reels and 978 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,160 Tik Toks and you're like, oh man, yes, that this type of 979 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,480 content really sucks for those people. 980 00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,160 But this is also, and I was going to say I was going to 981 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,600 bring this up before you brought in gundry, but I think this is a 982 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600 better place to bring in gun to bring this in. 983 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:34,040 Is that I just felt so many political undertones in this 984 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,480 whole video in this whole 2 1/2 hours and this this is this is a 985 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,800 point where I was like, Oh yeah, this is very political because 986 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,040 COVID was politicized and by politicizing COVID, we have now 987 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,520 politicized our whole healthcare system. 988 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,000 And you're either right or wrong. 989 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,760 You believe or you don't believe and you know, I don't care what 990 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,800 you think. They bring in RFK Junior. 991 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,760 So I don't care what you believe or you don't believe about RFK 992 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,600 Junior. Maybe it's too much for you. 993 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:05,680 Maybe. Yeah. 994 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,120 And and like we all do change our minds. 995 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,040 We all do learn and grow. So bringing up a 20 year old 996 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,920 interview or 10 year old interview with somebody verse in 997 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,680 saying see, they've changed their minds. 998 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,040 So you can't you can't trust them. 999 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,880 We all change our minds. That's the point. 1000 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,600 We all live and learn and grow and, and like there's new 1001 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,000 research and we, we open ourselves up to that new, like 1002 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,200 you have to open. If you're not opening yourselves 1003 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,920 up to new information, then you're not going to grow. 1004 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,920 I don't want to stagnate. I don't want other people to 1005 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,400 stagnate. I don't think it's beneficial 1006 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,520 for them or for their pets to just stay stagnant. 1007 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,360 So like I had a problem with all of that. 1008 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:50,520 I have an issue with politicizing health and I felt 1009 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,880 that so deeply. Like it was just like this, like 1010 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,160 hum underneath everything in the video that felt so political to 1011 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,720 me. Yeah, I think I didn't notice 1012 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,800 that or like I guess see it quite in that light. 1013 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,840 Although now that you've mentioned a couple of those 1014 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,120 things, I agree. I can see, I can see where 1015 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,960 you're coming from. And I have a feeling that you 1016 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,000 and I probably have different opinions on a few things just 1017 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,840 like we did, like what you're explaining, which also again, is 1018 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,640 totally fine. But whether or not that 1019 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,840 influenced where they were coming from with all of this, I 1020 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,680 don't know. It could have partially 1021 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,920 influenced, could have been a big influence or could have had 1022 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,960 nothing to do with it. And they just wanted to like use 1023 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,040 these as examples to like pull them in, maybe partially because 1024 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,920 those things in and of themselves are hot topics that 1025 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,760 are that like make people watch and react and share and comment, 1026 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,840 right? So like the more, again, it's 1027 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,760 all about the algorithms. So I don't know. 1028 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,760 Yeah. Well, and that does, I don't 1029 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,640 know there is there were so many other things like between Gundry 1030 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,960 and RFK that like we I know I had made notes about but and I 1031 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,760 do think that does bring us to, but that does bring us to a 1032 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,040 topic where I do think we I think we agree, but not 100% 1033 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,840 which is on vaccines. And I do feel like they 1034 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,720 definitely change their minds big time on vaccines. 1035 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,840 They call vaccines treat prevention in the video. 1036 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,880 OK, so I wrote a note. Tell me if this makes sense to 1037 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,440 you and if this is actually the part where you're at. 1038 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,360 So I had put a note in here. It's #18 of 30 guys, I made 30 1039 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,800 walking points about this video #18 was like using the clips of 1040 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,360 RK Junior and the clips of him saying that unvaccinated kids 1041 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,600 are bright or smarter, more engaged, blah, blah, blah. 1042 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,120 And they feel like this is very insane mantra essentially. 1043 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,920 And my own personal opinion, I'm not afraid to put it on here, is 1044 00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,280 that I do think that that's kind of over the top, some of those 1045 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,080 statements that he made. I think that it's really unfair 1046 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,320 for people who live with autism and and like make a, like a, a 1047 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,880 life and they have jobs, they have thoughts, they have 1048 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,840 opinions, they have love, spouses, children, right? 1049 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,560 I think to make broad statements like blanket statements will 1050 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,480 never do you well in health. I agree with. 1051 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,960 That absolutely. And so I do think that like some 1052 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,200 of the some of the approaches being taken are like a little 1053 00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,280 bit over the top. And I personally do not feel 1054 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,160 like I am educated enough or have read enough research in the 1055 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,520 human realm to be able to take a stance about vaccine, vaccine, 1056 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,560 vaccines and autism. I cannot say one way or the 1057 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,040 other. Yes, I believe this or no I do 1058 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,880 not. And I won't because I would be 1059 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,920 foolish to do so without having educated myself enough about it. 1060 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,520 But what I can say about vaccines for dogs and cats, for 1061 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:40,680 our companion animals is that there is no precedence for the 1062 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,720 ridiculous standards that are set about vaccines for animals. 1063 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,680 And there is no reason why a 10 LB Chihuahua versus a 200 LB 1064 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,480 Newfoundland should be getting the same dose of rabies vaccine 1065 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:58,480 every year when we have science that shows us that you continue 1066 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,800 to mount an immune response against rabies for upwards of 1067 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,120 seven to 10 years. Literally, blood tests will 1068 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,160 prove it to you. And there's no reason why 1069 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,480 veterinarians should be able to get tighter testing and not get 1070 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,600 a booster unless their titer test shows that they don't have 1071 00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,120 appropriate enough immune response. 1072 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,280 And they do that if they get like bitten, scratched or 1073 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,160 whatever, that's that are exposed to potential rabies, 1074 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,320 don't get rabies vaccines every year or every three years. 1075 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,120 They just don't. So why is that appropriate for 1076 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,400 humans? But we can't use that science on 1077 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,160 pets. And it's about money. 1078 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,560 And unfortunately, that in and of itself is politicized, which 1079 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,400 is really like frustrating, but. I can tell you guys. 1080 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,000 Too. It's the same thing for people. 1081 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,040 If I get a healthcare provider in my emergency department who 1082 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,280 got a needle stick, it happens. I've had a needle stick before. 1083 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,320 We draw their blood and we check and see if their hepatitis B 1084 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,240 titer is still active. If you show that you have 1085 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,920 immunity to hepatitis B, you don't get a booster. 1086 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,240 If you show that you don't have an immune response to hepatitis 1087 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,800 B anymore, you get a booster. Why? 1088 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,960 Because you just stabbed yourself with a needle from 1089 00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,760 somebody who has hepatitis B and you don't want to get hepatitis 1090 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,000 B. But we don't just give it to you 1091 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,840 without checking, right? We check. 1092 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,600 Why do we do that for vets? Why do we do that for healthcare 1093 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,080 providers? But why do we not do it for 1094 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:16,840 animals? There's no reason other than 1095 00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,720 money. I agree. 1096 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,560 Well, and I actually, I mean, I actually agree with all of your 1097 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,960 statements. They're like, I don't know near 1098 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,520 enough to say one way or the other on like vaccines and 1099 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:35,640 humans and autism. I I I do agree that it's that we 1100 00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,680 should look into it though. Like, I don't, I don't think we 1101 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,000 can. You research. 1102 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,640 Exactly. That's you're gonna, that's 1103 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,440 where I'm at with it. Like it's not absurd to ask the 1104 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,160 question and research it. Yeah, yeah. 1105 00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,280 If there's a question, if you're not sure, if the science doesn't 1106 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,280 make sense, if the trail doesn't track, then you look into it, 1107 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,160 right. If the studies, you know, if we, 1108 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,040 if everything that we're doing right now is based off of a very 1109 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,800 small subset of studies like 5 of them that were done in the 1110 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,640 80s. Well, maybe there does need to 1111 01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,360 be more research. I agree. 1112 01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,200 Don't stagnate, right? We've said that multiple times 1113 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:13,720 here. Yeah. 1114 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,560 So I do think that there always is room for more research. 1115 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,400 Always. Yeah, and, and I think there's 1116 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,160 more, I think there's room for more research with dog and cat 1117 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,720 vaccines as well. You know, they tried to do the, 1118 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,800 was it the the rabies challenge study? 1119 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,640 And I mean, the reality is what you have to do to these animals 1120 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,960 to to complete these studies is horrific. 1121 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,120 And we don't want to do it. Yeah, right. 1122 01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,880 I get that too you. Don't want to inject an animal 1123 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,120 with the rabies vaccine and find that some of them actually end 1124 01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,480 up getting rabies? We don't want that. 1125 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,440 Yeah, yeah. But is there a different way? 1126 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,120 I don't know. I don't know either and it is 1127 01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,400 it's it's unfortunate that we can't take what we do now, like 1128 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,160 you just said, that we can measure the immune response 1129 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,000 through a blood draw. Yeah, just tighter I. 1130 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,360 Don't know. Just do that. 1131 01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,080 Just do that. It's not. 1132 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,600 That hard? It's not that hard. 1133 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:13,080 I'm moving actually, if you if I pointed my camera literally 1134 01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,080 anywhere else in this room right now, it would look like an 1135 01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:20,000 explosion happened. But our moving our moving truck, 1136 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,680 our pods that we have to load up comes in four days. 1137 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,480 And I I saved this section for last to be broken down so that 1138 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,200 we can do our Live Today. Oh my goodness. 1139 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,040 So it looks nice but actually I'm surrounded by chaos. 1140 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,040 Chaos. But I'm moving back to New York 1141 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,280 in just a few weeks and I need to find a new vet And I'm so 1142 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,800 terrified that I am not going to be able to find a vet that is 1143 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,440 going to accept titers. I was very lucky to have found 1144 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,600 an integrative vet here that lets me tighter my animals and 1145 01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,360 very scared to go home and have to get established with a new 1146 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:57,240 vet and have them tell me that my 3 geriatric cats need a 1147 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,920 rabies or my dog who has a history of pancreatic issues 1148 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,520 needs a rabies booster. Or my dog with a history of 1149 01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,480 leaky gut and environmental sensitivities needs a rabies 1150 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:08,960 booster. Right. 1151 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,640 I don't want to give that to my animals who either are geriatric 1152 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,840 or have had health conditions that's not what their immune 1153 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,560 system needs. So it's it's frustrating when 1154 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,760 you know the education doesn't match like the actual legitimate 1155 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,920 science. And I don't know without being a 1156 01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,680 lawmaker, I don't know where that. 1157 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,200 Comes from, yeah. But I think our point about this 1158 01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,880 was that they swung from no vaccines ever their devil to 1159 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,120 vaccines are preventative. So actually we should be getting 1160 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,200 them. And there's no evidence to to 1161 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,200 there's no true scientific evidence to show that vaccines 1162 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,320 can cause problems. Yeah. 1163 01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,840 Well, which I I also think is a very extremist view to begin 1164 01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,240 with, right. Like that is to say no vaccines 1165 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,480 ever. And yes, there are people, there 1166 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,040 are veterinarians or excuse me, not practicing because they 1167 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,360 can't say it. If they're practicing, if they 1168 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,280 have a current license, they cannot say no vaccines. 1169 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,800 But there are people who were veterinarians who say no 1170 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,200 vaccines ever. And who got in big trouble for 1171 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,920 it and elected it? Elected to forgo their license, 1172 01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,920 Yeah. Because they felt so strongly 1173 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,440 that that was not a part of their Do no harm. 1174 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,960 Yes. Well, and there are no sods and 1175 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,800 there are, there are other ways to create, you know, a healthy 1176 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,920 immune system that has appropriate response to certain 1177 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,360 certain things. This is, again, my limitation. 1178 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,560 It's out of my purview. I haven't done it. 1179 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,040 I can't talk to it. I had Brie Drake on the podcast 1180 01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,520 recently. She did it with her most recent 1181 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:44,640 dog. No sods. 1182 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,800 So no sods. Yeah. 1183 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,800 I really don't know enough about it and I want to but I don't. 1184 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,040 Yet, right, right. I mean, I, I send everybody to 1185 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,760 doctor Will Falconer, I'm like, there you go. 1186 01:03:56,200 --> 01:04:02,000 That's that's, that's the under. Yep, that's beyond my 1187 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,720 capabilities at the moment. But yeah, I, I just think that 1188 01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,640 again, it's, it's not allowing yourself to live in the Gray. 1189 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,720 And I think if you don't allow yourself to, if, if you do take 1190 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:17,480 this as a very black and white, and if you have that black and 1191 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,640 white perspective and you can't live in the Gray, then you are 1192 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,120 going to burn yourself out and you are going to feel like it's 1193 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,640 unsustainable. And I, yeah, I think that maybe 1194 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,240 that's where they wound up because there was a lot of talk 1195 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,720 about none of this being sustainable. 1196 01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:36,640 And the idea that the average pet parent can't do this because 1197 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,040 it's not sustainable bothered me because there are average pet 1198 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,440 parents everywhere doing this. Like, yeah, maybe it's still a 1199 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,240 small percentage of the dog and cat population in the USI can 1200 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,480 only speak to the USI have no idea what's going on the rest of 1201 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,040 the world, But they are doing it. 1202 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,600 They are doing it. So it it takes sure. 1203 01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,160 Is it going to take more? But guess what? 1204 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,680 Gen. Z's are not having babies 1205 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,840 anyway. Like there's a whole movement of 1206 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,480 like, nobody wants kids anymore. OK, great. 1207 01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,840 They're all treating their kid, their pets as kids. 1208 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,000 If that's what you want to do, great. 1209 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,440 So then you do have the bandwidth to do this with your 1210 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,280 pets, right? I don't know this again stream 1211 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:17,800 of consciousness that I have about it. 1212 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,080 I think maybe like a couple more points before we hop off or 1213 01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,400 let's see, I had something about their website, I think. 1214 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,040 Yeah, the one of the phrases that they use that pissed me off 1215 01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,720 was that they said, quote, I literally drank the Kool-aid, 1216 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,560 Yeah, when they were talking about raw milk and the. 1217 01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,400 Holistic raw space. I was like, oh, that's. 1218 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,280 Cool. Tell me. 1219 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,800 Yeah, tell me more about kool-aid. 1220 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,440 All I can think about is like the kool-aid man, like bursting 1221 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,400 into their house. Do you? 1222 01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,920 Remember the seeing all that? Yeah, you're the. 1223 01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,520 Kool-aid man. I just all I see all I hear in 1224 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040 my head when I hear that is like the the cult leader guy, the 1225 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,240 like. Oh God, yeah. 1226 01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,040 Yeah, which I think was the reference that he was making. 1227 01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,440 I don't believe this is AI. Don't. 1228 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,880 Know I'm a part of the Jeep community. 1229 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,960 You want to see a a cult? Go join the deep community. 1230 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,600 We're a bunch of psychos. I was going to say, you want to 1231 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:07,920 start a cult, Kara? Let's. 1232 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,000 Hell yeah I do. Let's start a cult. 1233 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,800 Start a call. I'll start one. 1234 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,280 I would be terrible at it. A bias. 1235 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,440 Let's talk about bias. One of their complaints was that 1236 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,680 companies who sell raw milk and share information about the 1237 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,760 safety of raw milk have no business doing so because they 1238 01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,280 don't warn about bias about their potential bias. 1239 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,440 Anytime you make and sell something, you assume there's 1240 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,040 personal bias there, right? I made this, I'm selling it to 1241 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,160 you. I am biased that it works and 1242 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,280 it's healthy and I want you to purchase it from me. 1243 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,920 I personally don't think that you need to make a disclaimer 1244 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,720 about personal bias for the product that you're selling. 1245 01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:56,120 Now, on the other hand, if you are an influencer or an educator 1246 01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,240 or somebody who does not make or work for that company, but you 1247 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:05,680 make a profit from helping to sell that company's product, 1248 01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,440 that is bias that you should disclose. 1249 01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,720 And the best way that I can explain this is if anybody has 1250 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,320 ever watched like an educational video webinar. 1251 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,680 And I mean, I've watched a bajillion of them over my career 1252 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,080 in healthcare. At the beginning of these 1253 01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,880 educational videos, it starts with an introduction. 1254 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,680 I'm doctor so and so I'm nurse practitioner, nurse 1255 01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,800 practitioner, blah, blah, blah. These are my disclaimers. 1256 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,200 And they will say if they have stake in any companies or if 1257 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,920 they have ownership of any companies or if they make 1258 01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,440 compensation from any companies that they might mention in their 1259 01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,280 lecture. So there's a difference between 1260 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:53,600 I believe in raw milk. So I own a dairy farm and I 1261 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,560 practice good practices to bring you this healthy product. 1262 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:05,720 Or I'm an influencer who gets 10% of whatever you buy because 1263 01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,720 you used my affiliate link. Right. 1264 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,960 There's a, there's a, there's a big difference there. 1265 01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,480 And also, you know that saying that like when somebody 1266 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,920 criticizes you about something, it's because that's what they 1267 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,279 fear in themselves. Yeah. 1268 01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:26,200 Like that's just the vibe that I'm getting again, like I don't 1269 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,279 want to be like super Debbie Downer. 1270 01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,479 Like, yes, we are allowed to change our minds. 1271 01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:36,080 And yes, we're, I think it's just we were attacked. 1272 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,760 Like when we get closer to the end of the video, like we were 1273 01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:44,279 attacked. And I, I feel like, I mean, 1274 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:46,800 we've had this conversation so many times where like you have 1275 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:51,040 such an extensive medical, human medical background that like it 1276 01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,359 feels a lot of people, how do I want to say this? 1277 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,040 Like there's a lot more credibility in what you're 1278 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,120 saying versus what I'm saying. And I can realize that and I'm 1279 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:04,880 not, I'm fine with that. But like, I don't know if 1280 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:05,399 that's. True. 1281 01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,960 Though a lot of people, well a lot of people feel that way and 1282 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,279 I can acknowledge that and not feel threatened by it. 1283 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:18,439 Like I can support you and lift you up because like I know that 1284 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,279 you're to me, I think you're doing a good thing and not feel 1285 01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:25,960 like threatened by that. But like I guess all that to say 1286 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,920 like that, we do share a couple of certifications and those 1287 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,560 certifications were attacked. Yeah. 1288 01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,560 And, and there's things that you might say like I'm not 1289 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,200 comfortable with, go to this person. 1290 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,720 And it's the same thing for me. Like for example, if somebody 1291 01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,120 came to me and they wanted me to help them DIY raw cat food, I'd 1292 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,319 be like, oh, I'm so sorry. Here's my friend Jess's contact 1293 01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:50,640 information because I have no idea how to do that. 1294 01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,040 I can recommend 3 or 4 excellent pre made raw or cooked brands 1295 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,680 for you to feed to your cat, but I don't know how to formulate 1296 01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,360 DIY raw for cats for dogs. Come at me, come at me. 1297 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,440 I will give you all my information. 1298 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,040 Cats Absolutely not. That's not my wheelhouse yet. 1299 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,240 Here's my friend Jess. You know what I mean? 1300 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,360 Like there's everybody, not everybody can be an expert in 1301 01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,320 everything. And I think being able to play 1302 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:16,680 on your strengths but then uplift others when they have 1303 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,920 those strengths that you don't is so important. 1304 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:22,680 And I think that we do do a good job of that in this space and 1305 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,880 so. I do too. 1306 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,640 I think that's why it was so frustrating to feel like so many 1307 01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,840 blanket statements were made. Yeah. 1308 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:33,400 Bear heard me get loud and I think he knows that my emotions 1309 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,080 are running high, so he came over to breathe heavily into the 1310 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,680 microphone. Well, and one thing that I want 1311 01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,200 to say, and this is not something I don't think I've 1312 01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,920 ever said to you before, but I somebody else said it to me and 1313 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,040 I had to sit with it for a while because I think we have some 1314 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,440 aligned beliefs in one of the certifications that we have. 1315 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,400 And, and somebody said this to me and I had to sit with it for 1316 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,760 a while to realize that with this particular certification, 1317 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,720 it's all recommendations. There are no treatment plans. 1318 01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:08,120 There's no like this is all recommendation based as, as a 1319 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:13,880 coach, everybody, whether you're a, a doctor or a veterinarian or 1320 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,960 a human health coach or a pet health coach, we all get our 1321 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,680 education and then we have to start out practicing practice. 1322 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,440 It's a practice because you have like a knowledge base and then 1323 01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:31,000 you actually have to go out and use it and see how it works and 1324 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,040 see how things differ with different individuals. 1325 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:40,160 And like, you know, I'm supposed to do XYZ for this, but I have 1326 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,640 found that if I add this or take this away, it actually works 1327 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,800 better. Like the idea that it's called 1328 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,720 practice for a reason. I had to sit with that and be 1329 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:54,000 like, OK, like people need that breadth of space. 1330 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,840 And that's not to say that it's going to work out for every one 1331 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,600 of them, but the reality is that like there is so much need that 1332 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,760 we need. We also need to give the people 1333 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:11,840 trying that are getting what the education that is out there, we 1334 01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,600 need to give them the space to help because they may not be 1335 01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,800 able to help with everything, but they're going to be able to 1336 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,040 help with some things. And is that, is that better than 1337 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:23,920 nothing? And I think it is, yeah. 1338 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,840 And, and just always making sure that you continue to learn and 1339 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,200 grow and educate, right? It that the buck doesn't stop 1340 01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,000 when it doesn't you click the last like test that you took for 1341 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:34,760 your certification, right? Or when you get it in your 1342 01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,000 e-mail or whatever, you have to keep calling from there. 1343 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,840 And if you don't, then you have no business being around, in my 1344 01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:42,360 opinion. Yeah. 1345 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,120 Yeah, no, I completely agree with that. 1346 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,120 I think we're kind of on on the same page there. 1347 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:50,200 But it was called out and it made me sad. 1348 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:57,160 And because not because they're 100% wrong, but that again, it's 1349 01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,520 a blanket statement. It's a black or white and 1350 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,960 everything in this is Gray, I think. 1351 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,320 Yeah. And so this video, this 2 1/2 1352 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:11,040 hour behemoth ends with them kind of like a call to action, 1353 01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,160 right? To scientists, researchers, and 1354 01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,040 like other people with quote, formal degrees. 1355 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:20,640 And they say that those people need to make more social content 1356 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,880 so that millions of people can get better information and 1357 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,120 essentially have their lives improved through science rather 1358 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,200 than only being able to get this information from people in the 1359 01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,680 holistic space who they feel are spreading a lot of 1360 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,920 misinformation. And what I have to say about 1361 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:42,160 that is I spent 12 years. I know I look like a child, an 1362 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,360 adolescent in my senior year of high school, but I spent 12 1363 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,840 years working in medicine, literally, sometimes savings 1364 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,360 people's lives. I'm not kidding. 1365 01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,000 Like I have. Yeah. 1366 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,840 You know, and sometimes all I do is sow A laceration. 1367 01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,520 And sometimes I bring somebody back from having had a cardiac 1368 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,200 arrest. OK. 1369 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,120 Like I have done all ends of the spectrum. 1370 01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,080 But despite the fact that you might feel comfortable coming 1371 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:10,480 into my ER and putting your life in my hands because I received 1372 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:15,480 that education, I had huge gaping holes in my education in 1373 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:22,080 the realm of nutrition, natural modalities, and holistic health. 1374 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:26,040 And those things should be a part of every well-rounded 1375 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,440 curriculum for somebody who is going into healthcare or 1376 01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:32,280 veterinary care for animals. And it was not. 1377 01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,600 And so if you had come into my ER and wanted to talk to me 1378 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,560 about nutrition, I would have not had anything to say to you. 1379 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,320 So it is not fair to say scientists, researchers, and 1380 01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,320 people with formal degrees are the only ones that you should be 1381 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,040 listening to because I would have Jack shift to say to you 1382 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,000 about nutrition 12 years ago or even five years ago. 1383 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,120 I had to go and find that information myself. 1384 01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,160 I still put a fruit roll up in my lunch every day five years 1385 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,560 ago because I thought I ate chicken for dinner when I went 1386 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:04,560 home, so it was OK that I was eating, you know, colored 1387 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,120 plastic like, you know what I mean? 1388 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,520 Yeah, I do know. You can't just say you have a 1389 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:15,240 formal degree and so you are an authority on all things. 1390 01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,920 Yeah, it doesn't work like that. It's disrespectful for the 1391 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,320 people who have worked hard and went out and got that 1392 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,600 information and educated themselves just because it 1393 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,400 didn't come with a $20,000 two year college, you know, 1394 01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:34,480 certificate or $100,000 six year college degree like mine. 1395 01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:35,760 It's not. Fair. 1396 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:41,800 Especially today when we literally have every bit of 1397 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,800 information that we could ever want access to at our 1398 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,640 fingertips. Granted, not everybody is 1399 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,280 utilizing it. Most people are not utilizing 1400 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,880 it. But if you take the initiative 1401 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:56,240 to go out there and find that information and learn that 1402 01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,320 information, like props to you because that's not easy. 1403 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:04,360 In fact, I think it's harder than walking into a classroom 1404 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:06,640 and having it handed to you. Having it handed to you, but 1405 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,440 yeah, exactly because now with AI and you know, bless AI, 1406 01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:14,520 whatever, it helps me like edit my my blog articles. 1407 01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,720 But if I went into a ChatGPT that I haven't trained and I 1408 01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:22,080 said is garlic safe for dogs, guess what answer I'm gonna get, 1409 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:23,960 right? No, yeah, yeah. 1410 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,600 So that doesn't mean you are an expert in all fields because you 1411 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,680 have a ChatGPT. It doesn't work like that. 1412 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,520 You still have to go out and actually find credible sources 1413 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,600 and Fact Check and get the information from a primary 1414 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,920 source and then be able to read it and understand it and apply 1415 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,400 it. So it takes work. 1416 01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:46,640 And to Foo all the people who do that work, shame on them. 1417 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,560 Yeah, I agree. And also I just want to say one 1418 01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,880 thing about veterinary nutritionist, which by the way, 1419 01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,960 I have so much, and I say this all the time, I have so much 1420 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:01,440 respect for veterinarians. Yeah, they have a knowledge base 1421 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:05,760 that I don't have. I am not here trying to tell 1422 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,200 anybody anything differently. I have a lot of respect for 1423 01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,640 them. But my, my view based on what 1424 01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:19,960 clients have brought to me of what you get from a veterinary 1425 01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:24,760 nutritionist is just cut and paste AFCO like that's what 1426 01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,160 you're getting. And I think people come to you 1427 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:31,760 and me because they have either, whether through education or 1428 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,800 something horrible happening to their pet, have realized that 1429 01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,200 that's not what they want for their pet anymore. 1430 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,920 There's a huge difference. I'm not saying veterinary 1431 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,120 nutritionists are bad or wrong. I'm saying that like there's 1432 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:51,120 room and there is a difference. And that difference is there for 1433 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,600 a very good reason. I agree. 1434 01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:56,440 I agree. Well, I think the take away is 1435 01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,640 there's room for growth, never stop learning and the world 1436 01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,120 isn't black and white. It isn't, it isn't, and at the 1437 01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,080 end of the day, learn what's click bait. 1438 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,480 Yeah. Like, there's so much click bait 1439 01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:12,840 out there that I get that it's hard. 1440 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,240 I get that it's hard. This is a new responsibility 1441 01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,880 that we have as humans in the world. 1442 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,360 Yeah, to weed through it and find the right stuff. 1443 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,720 All right, I think that's it. I think that wraps us up. 1444 01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,560 Yes. Yes, nice talking to you. 1445 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,440 You too. I know everybody keeps saying 1446 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:32,960 they want us to do more of these, so. 1447 01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,360 I would love to, I'll try and be a little bit less Italian with 1448 01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,760 my hands and my voice next time. Oh, I, oh, I talk with my hands. 1449 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,680 I talk with my hands. Yeah. 1450 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:45,920 Maybe like after the summer though, because you're moving 1451 01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,720 with there's so much travel. There's AFCO, there's Super Zoo, 1452 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,520 which we're both going to be at. So we will probably do some, at 1453 01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,040 least one live, maybe from AFCO. Yeah, yeah. 1454 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,640 And we'll, we'll, we'll figure all that out. 1455 01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,040 All right, well. I'll talk to you soon. 1456 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,400 Alright guys, have a good day. Bye.