1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,400 Welcome back, pet parent. I'm so excited for today's 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,040 episode because we are talking about oral health, dental 3 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:12,840 hygiene, all the things, but not in the ways we have talked about 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,120 this in the past. I've had other veterinarians on. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,560 We've talked about dental cleanings and we've talked about 6 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:21,480 raw meaty bones with Doctor Billinghurst. 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:22,840 We've talked about so many things. 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,400 This is a little bit different. I have Jen with Coniferrah on 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,080 today. And if you haven't heard of 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,440 Coniferrah, well, you were kind of like me a couple of years 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,120 ago. Because the truth is that my dog 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,200 is a little Princess who doesn't like to chew things. 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,840 And so I have tried so many things with her and she's just 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,720 like, she just stared at me when I said that. 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,880 I have tried so many things with her and I know how important 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,760 dental health is and I do things for her. 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,400 I have to, I have to really make up a lot. 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,360 If your dog is a chewer, count your blessings because dental 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,400 health is so important for overall health. 20 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,360 We talked about the oral microbiome with Emily from 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,000 Teeth. If you remember that episode. 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,240 I could go back to so many, but I want to welcome Jen Johnson 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,640 from Coniferra on today's episode of the Pet Parenting 24 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Reset podcast. How are you doing today, Jen? 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,280 Great. Thank you so much for having us 26 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,640 on today. Yay. 27 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,360 I know this is going to be such a fun conversation. 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,600 This is not a sales pitch, but we are going to talk about all 29 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,000 of the different products because Coniferro has really 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,640 grown at their product line. One of the reasons why I said 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:36,120 yes to Jen is because of the sustainability of what they're 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,400 doing. We they're actually using 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,720 products that would otherwise be tossed, burned, thrown out, 34 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,400 possibly ending up in landfills. Not good for the environment. 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:48,480 We're going to talk about all of that. 36 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,120 If you're new here, my name is Jessica. 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,960 I am your host for the Pet Parenting Reset podcast. 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,880 I'm also a canine nutritionist and holistic pet health coach. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,160 I really, really focus on food as medicine, food therapy. 40 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,680 So that's what we talk about a lot, which is why in past 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,600 episodes talking about dental health, we've talked about raw 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,160 meaty bones. We've talked about all the 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,040 different ways that food can help with our dog's oral health, 44 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,080 but today we're talking about some different things. 45 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,000 So Jen, can you kind of give us an idea? 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,160 Let's start with like the idea behind the brand, because I 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,800 think that is such a cool story. Yeah, of course. 48 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,600 So kind of Farrah makes all natural dog chews. 49 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,600 So all of the chews we have are 100% all natural. 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,600 There are no synthetics, plastics, additives, anything 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,040 used in the chews. It's just the actual chew. 52 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,520 They're all made from resources from nature, and we started out 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,400 with our coffee wood stick, which literally looks like a 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,840 stick. But it is very unique because 55 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,200 the coffee wood is a special type of wood that does not 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 splinter when the dogs chew on it. 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,600 So it actually comes off in flakes or pieces, and these 58 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,600 pieces are fully digestible for the dog. 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,800 And so if your dog loves to chew sticks in your backyard, this is 60 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,680 a great safe alternative. Many people don't know that the 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,600 sticks in your backyard are dangerous for dogs because they 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,240 can splinter, they can puncture gums, intestines, plus they 63 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,320 could have saps on them. They could have something on the 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,280 outside that could cause digestive distress. 65 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,640 So our original product, the coffee would stick, is something 66 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:17,320 that is very safe for dogs to chew. 67 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,760 And at the same time, what you talked about earlier promotes 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,360 dental hygiene because as they chew, they're able to scrape off 69 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,080 the plaque and the tartar on their teeth and also strengthen 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,840 their jaw, which allows the dog to literally clean its own 71 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,680 teeth, which is great. It it is because, you know, we 72 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,840 don't look, here's the here's the reality. 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,160 I know Doctor Katie Kangas is going to hate me for saying 74 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,120 this, but we don't brush our dogs to, I mean, some people do. 75 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,440 Some people do, don't get me wrong. 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,680 And I think it's even worse for our cats, which I know you have 77 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,880 a new cat line coming out. We'll talk about that a little 78 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,880 later on, but it's just not, it's not easy. 79 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,600 It's not convenient if you don't start when they're a puppy or a 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,320 kitten, they hate you. You know, bite risk is real, 81 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,120 right? Like we have to consider that as 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,400 well as pet parents, even the, you know, our little babies, 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,520 which they shouldn't be our little babies, they're dogs, but 84 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,839 still our little babies can bite when they are scared or if 85 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,000 something hurts and you know, it's, it's a reaction. 86 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,040 It's not like they're trying to be mean to you. 87 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,800 You know, if you if you accidentally hurt your dog, it's 88 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:30,920 fair that they're going to snap and bark or like they're dogs, 89 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,400 They're not, they're not humans, right? 90 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:38,360 So whatever we can do to improve their health all around. 91 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,360 And we know. So again, I was saying earlier I 92 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:46,720 talked to Emily from teeth and the downstream effects, you 93 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,760 know, we know this and in human dentistry as well, the 94 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,800 downstream effects from having poor hygiene in the mouth. 95 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,440 I mean, literally, you could die. 96 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,120 And, and I don't say that lightly. 97 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,160 Obviously it's not going to happen overnight, but you know, 98 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,480 you get an infection under your gum. 99 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,400 You don't even know it's there. It, it's, it can get into your 100 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,400 bloodstream pretty quickly. Like oral hygiene is so 101 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,440 important. Dogs need to chew. 102 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,880 They have very different teeth from us. 103 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,240 They are a different species from us. 104 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,880 They need to be chewing. And so one of the things, of 105 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,720 course, I talked to Dr. Ian Billinghurst, he's a huge 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,920 advocate for raw meaty bones, but even dogs in the wild, 107 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:37,720 wolves, foxes, anything in that lineage in that like genus of of 108 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,600 animal, they are also going to chew on other things. 109 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,400 And so that was one of the coolest things that I thought I 110 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,560 heard, you know, when I was looking into this product is 111 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,160 like, it's actually really, really beneficial from that for 112 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,200 them and could possibly be something because like you said, 113 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,120 dogs will chew on sticks. They just naturally know how to 114 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,480 do these things that it is beneficial for them. 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,480 And so providing them more appropriate resources to do this 116 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,800 with, it's just so cool. So that's actually our slogan at 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Conifera is the natural desire to chew because dogs innately 118 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,960 want to chew. And so when people get a puppy 119 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,440 and they're like, oh, my puppy's chewing on my slippers or my 120 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,720 socks or something, it's because they have that desire and they 121 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,240 need to be given something that they're allowed to chew, but 122 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,160 also that provides a bit of a challenge. 123 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,560 And so our chews offer a wide variety of types of chews for 124 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,280 the dog that is a medium to heavy chewer to an aggressive 125 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:36,080 chewer. So they can have that challenge 126 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,400 they're looking for because the only way for dogs to truly relax 127 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,040 is by chewing. So the way that they release the 128 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,240 dopamine and the serotonin is by chewing. 129 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,800 They don't go and, you know, take a bath and watch Netflix, 130 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,520 have a glass of wine. Like that doesn't happen for a 131 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,360 dog. And so if they're able to chew 132 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,880 for ideally 20 minutes, that's like when they can reach their 133 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,960 relaxation and their calm. So chews are great for dogs who 134 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,800 are anxious, who are stressed out. 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,720 If they're able to chew, they can can really calm down and 136 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,000 their behavior improves. So it's just a redirection of 137 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,440 what they can chew as opposed to what they cannot. 138 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,360 Yeah, well, as you were saying that I was reminded, I have 139 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,760 always been slightly uncomfortable with this whole, 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,200 like, movement of like lick mats. 141 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,680 And licking is also something that can release dopamine for a 142 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,040 dog that can help calm them down. 143 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,920 So it's often recommended and like behavioral modification to 144 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,960 let dogs lick on things. The Kongs, there are lick mats, 145 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,640 there are slow feeders and like different like maze bowls and 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:43,000 different things like that. And I, I had Carol from mine pet 147 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,840 platter on who designed a platter that is it's based on 148 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,480 like how dogs and cats actually eat a carcass in the wild. 149 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,200 So I fully got behind that. But still lick mats are huge. 150 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,280 And I just like, I have tried them. 151 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,200 I do have some. I never use them because I just 152 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,840 can't. There's something about them 153 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,640 that I don't love. And Carol again from My Pet 154 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Platter explained to me, explained to all of us on this 155 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,680 podcast that it's because it's frustrating. 156 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,040 Yes, initially they're gonna get that dopamine release. 157 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,480 They're going to enjoy it. It's gonna, it's gonna like 158 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,960 start to scratch that itch. But the way lick mats are 159 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,520 designed, ultimately, it's a very frustrating thing for them. 160 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,280 They and it can harm their noses as well. 161 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,240 When you have like deep bowls, cause some some of them are like 162 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,440 bowls and their noses get in there. 163 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,200 It kind of blocks the scent make it really overwhelming. 164 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,480 It can do a lot of damage. And the frustration factor is 165 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,760 what really gets me, especially as somebody who comes from more 166 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,880 of a behavioral training background. 167 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,800 I don't want to put my dog in a situation where they're 168 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,480 frustrated because that can obviously it's going to 169 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,160 backfire. Everything that I thought I was 170 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,440 doing right. It's, it's, it's all going to 171 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,880 backfire when, when they actually get frustrated and at 172 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,240 the end. So that's why I again, so 173 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,720 excited about the idea of letting them chew and having 174 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,840 something that isn't a raw meaty bone for a couple of reasons. 175 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,840 One is because some people are still really put off by them. 176 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,560 They don't want to feed raw or they don't want to give their 177 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:27,760 dog, you know, access to the house to have this raw meat all 178 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,080 over the house. You know, of course, I'll just 179 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,520 tell, I just tell them to put their dog outside. 180 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,840 But you can't always do that, you know, if it's freezing or 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,040 raining. So having these other options, 182 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,200 which I think are really natural for like animals in the wild 183 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,560 would be seeking these out anyway, as you said, with 184 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:48,120 sticks. So you've got the coffee wood. 185 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,520 And tell me a little bit more about like the flaking of it, 186 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,160 because I know if some people can get kind of freaked out, 187 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,160 especially when we think of like if they look at it and they 188 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,560 think it's splintering, it's not splintering. 189 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,920 Right. It's not splintering. 190 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,320 I mean, when it comes to the coffee wood stick, it is an all 191 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,080 natural product and so there is going to be some pieces left 192 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,880 behind. There's a little bit of a mess 193 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,560 with some of our products and it's just like pieces on the 194 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:13,120 floor that you can easily sweep up. 195 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,560 But it can be, you know a deterrent for some pet parents. 196 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:18,200 So we do like them to know that the coffee would stick as it 197 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,680 comes off the the dog saliva actually softens the wood, which 198 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:23,760 makes the pieces very easily digestible. 199 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,320 If they're on the floor and you come back an hour later, they 200 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,400 look hard like splinters. But when they were chewing, they 201 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,360 weren't hard like splinters. And so those are the pieces that 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,880 you just want to sweep up and throw away. 203 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Now for a very aggressive chewer, I don't think the coffee 204 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,760 would stick is the best option because they can really demolish 205 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,080 it pretty quickly, which is not what you want with any of our 206 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,880 products. All of our chews are meant to be 207 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,440 long lasting and durable. So this is great for like the 208 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,360 medium, the average chewer heavy chewers can be great, but we 209 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,880 always say size up. So if you have, you know, like a 210 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,680 dog that's a size large, but they're really heavy chewer, try 211 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,840 the extra large, which is just going to be a bigger stack. 212 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,120 So we have all of our products in size specific according to 213 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,920 the dog. So we want to make sure you get 214 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,000 the right size and if you're unsure, you size up. 215 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,520 But we do have products that are more durable for those highly 216 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,640 aggressive chewers, which is one of our favorite ones, which we 217 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,800 actually consider to be a solution to a problem of heavy 218 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,040 chewers that find cannot find anything to chew that gives them 219 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,520 a challenge. It's called the briar root. 220 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,560 It looks like a rock, but it's actually made from the root of 221 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:30,360 the Heather tree. And they take this and they sand 222 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,360 it down to make it really smooth, as you can see. 223 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,440 And this thing is nearly indestructible. 224 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,280 We have had dogs who have been chewing this thing for a year 225 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,320 like a pit bull, a Doberman, and it is it's holding up really 226 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,560 strong. Very small pieces come off. 227 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,200 But we have yet to see any dog do any real damage to this. 228 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,640 We have a challenge, two weeks, your dog chewing on this. 229 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,440 If they demolish it, we'll give you a free chew of your choice 230 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,240 because we believe in this product so much. 231 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,640 In fact, we could probably extend the guarantee to months, 232 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,960 because a heavy chewer is not going to do much to this. 233 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:06,120 So, OK, so you've got the coffee wood chew sticks you've got. 234 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,560 Where did I go here? I was pulling up your website 235 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,680 and sure lost it. Okay, so you've got the coffee 236 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,480 wood chew sticks, the briar root choose and you were telling me 237 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,440 when we were talking prior to recording that you actually had 238 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,440 somebody come up to you at a show a year later and was like, 239 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,960 it barely looks like my dog. That's what it's been. 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,440 We were at Global Pet Expo this last March in Florida and the 241 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,320 lady came up to me and she has a Pitbull and she said, hey, my 242 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,840 dog really loves your briar room. 243 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,760 And I said awesome. She's like, I got it a year ago. 244 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,960 I said, great, can you send it to me and I'll give you a new 245 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,240 one. And that way I can show here's 246 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,320 what it looks like chewed. We really love to show pet 247 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,800 parents like here's what it looks like chewed so they know 248 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,520 when to discard it, you know, and get a new one. 249 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,720 And she said, to be honest, it looks pretty much the same. 250 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,840 She's like, it is this. It was like corner kind of 251 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,400 missing off of it, but the dog can still safely chew on it. 252 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,880 And so I said, all right, I gave her another one. 253 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,840 I said, just tell me when it gets down small enough, but her 254 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,720 dog absolutely loves to chew on this. 255 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,040 It's just a really good challenge. 256 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 Those dogs that are heavy chewers, they want a challenge 257 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,400 and this provides them with a safe challenge that you know the 258 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,240 pieces are digestible. You know, they're not, they're, 259 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,400 they cannot get a piece off this. 260 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,720 It's just impossible. You can throw this on concrete 261 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,640 multiple times and it nothing happens. 262 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,680 It's it's a very, very strong true. 263 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:27,400 But what is great about this is the roots of the Heather tree 264 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,520 would normally be burned and destroyed. 265 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,400 And now we can use it as a useful product for a dog. 266 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,240 And so everyone's winning. And the people who are digging 267 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,880 these up have a job because they can dig these up and make these 268 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,600 for us, which is awesome. Yeah, Well, that was one of the 269 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,560 biggest reasons why I was like, yes, let's come talk about this 270 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,840 because of the sustainability aspect to all of this. 271 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:54,000 I think you said the the people that who originally you can tell 272 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,240 a story. I don't need to tell the story. 273 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:57,840 And something with forestry, Yeah. 274 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,960 So we have two founders. They're German, and one of them 275 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,680 is a forestry major. And he went to Vietnam and 276 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,240 discovered that coffee wood trees need to be burned down 277 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,840 every 20 to 30 years to grow a new coffee crop. 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,160 And so he hated to see that all this wood was being wasted. 279 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:18,000 And they can use it to, I don't know, to make fires, but it's 280 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,120 Vietnam, it's hot. So they don't really need the 281 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,400 wood. So a lot of it was just being 282 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,240 destroyed. And unfortunately, you know, 283 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,680 it's a fairly poor country. And so the only income they were 284 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,160 getting was from the coffee beans themselves. 285 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,840 So he just first originally said, hey, I'm going to make 286 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,680 bird purchase with these. And that was going fairly well 287 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,760 until he discovered the dogs like to chew on this and it's 288 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,880 safe for them to chew. And so he was able to take the 289 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,640 coffee wood and make it into sticks, which we have factories 290 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,840 over there that employ a large amount of people that sand them 291 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,840 down and make them into really nice sticks for us of all 292 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,440 different sizes and then ship them over. 293 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,960 We're a worldwide company now to anywhere within the world can 294 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,600 get these. And the coffee trees are not 295 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,960 being wasted anymore. And I have to add, there's no 296 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,280 caffeine in these. So we get that question a lot. 297 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,600 My dog does not need any caffeine. 298 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,040 No, the caffeine is only in the cherry and the small bean. 299 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,720 So these are completely safe for dogs to do. 300 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,360 Yes, and thank you for mentioning that because I'm sure 301 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,600 there are people out there going wait coffee. 302 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,120 No, my gosh, and I do so I know there are more products that we 303 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,480 can talk about, but I, I just want to say, you know, I 304 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:30,120 continue to grow and learn and that's kind of one of the best 305 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,120 parts for me about doing this podcast is like getting to learn 306 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,280 alongside everybody else, having guests on that. 307 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,520 I'm like, wow, really? That's amazing. 308 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:46,120 One of the things for me being an American, I've always lived 309 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,560 here. I have traveled abroad, but not 310 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,120 extensively. But I am definitely, I've 311 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,960 definitely in the past been one of those people that's like all 312 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,840 US all you like, you know, U.S. companies made in the US, blah, 313 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,080 blah. Let's keep it all here. 314 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,120 And like in some cases, I'm still like that, don't get me 315 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,960 wrong, but I appreciate that's why I appreciate learning the 316 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,080 stories behind all of this. Because those coffee trees are 317 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,240 growing in like, why would we export them into another country 318 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,360 to have the labor be done? Like that doesn't make sense, 319 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,320 right? So it's OK that like this is 320 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,720 where these trees are growing or and then the the the Heatherwood 321 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,480 tree, you said the Heather tree, I don't remember. 322 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,080 Is that from the? Heather, the Heather tree is in. 323 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,680 What did you say that that one was in like Italy or something? 324 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,000 Exactly, yes. And with all of our products, 325 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,360 they're from all different countries and it's because 326 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,680 that's where they're sourced from. 327 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,360 Like our red deer antlers are from the Czech Republic, that's 328 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,520 where they have red deer. And so we can't say, you know, 329 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,000 we can get it in the US because I don't think we have red deer 330 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,360 in the US that we can get these. But these are naturally shed on 331 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,480 the forest floor. So we have teams that go out and 332 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,600 get the naturally shed deer antlers that just another animal 333 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,119 would probably come chew on or they would just sit there and 334 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,119 decompose. That we can use these for dogs. 335 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,359 That again hugely promoting dental hygiene and is a great 336 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,800 challenge for dogs too because they're much thicker than white 337 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:15,480 deer. Antlers. 338 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,599 OK, that was I was going to ask about this because antlers have 339 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:22,599 been something that like I have avoided like the plague. 340 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,560 I'm like, no, like they're too hard. 341 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,400 You know, dogs are going to break their teeth on them. 342 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,640 And I know nothing. I'm throwing this out there as 343 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,160 like somebody who knows nothing because my dog doesn't chew and. 344 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,080 But I'm actually really glad that you brought that up, 345 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,320 because I think antlers are very controversial. 346 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,880 And I think one thing that we have to understand, when it 347 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,280 comes to dogs teeth, it's similar to let's say, human 348 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,400 teeth. If you have very good, strong 349 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,680 teeth and you have good genes and you've taken care of your 350 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,280 teeth, you can eat nuts. However, maybe your mom, who has 351 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,560 a lot of dental problems and doesn't have strong teeth, 352 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,240 cannot eat nuts because she might break a tooth. 353 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,840 It's a similar thing with antlers. 354 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,560 So if you have an especially a young dog who you've had maybe 355 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,880 since he was a puppy and you've watched all the teeth come in, 356 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,320 great dental hygiene and there's no history of that, you know, 357 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,160 of, of, you know, teeth problems, good genes, It's great 358 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,400 for them, them to chew on the antler. 359 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,600 Maybe you have a senior dog who, you know, was raised in a 360 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,560 shelter for how many years maybe didn't eat the best quality dog 361 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,920 food, has weaker teeth. I would stay away from antlers. 362 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,480 I mean, I think as a pet parent, you kind of know what your dog 363 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,720 can handle and what it can't. And so for some, we have the 364 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,880 majority, especially younger dogs do great with antlers. 365 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,040 But if you have a senior dog or a dog that's had teeth problems, 366 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,240 you maybe just want to avoid them. 367 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,200 You know your dog best. We do offer the antlers in both 368 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,640 holes and splits. With the splits, the marrow is 369 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,560 exposed. And so with this, it's the dog 370 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,760 can get direct access to it, which makes it less of a 371 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,040 challenge. They don't have to chew through 372 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,400 the wall as much. It's still going to be a hard 373 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,920 chew, but it's not going to be as hard as them trying to get 374 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,600 through this the wall to be able to get to the marrow. 375 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,520 So there's two options, but I think that parents have to be 376 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,600 know their dog and then know what chew is is best for their 377 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,720 dog. Yeah, so, and I'm looking on the 378 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,960 website and it says that these antlers are odor free, which I 379 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,960 know for me like especially some of the like nastier things that 380 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,960 you would get from like these big box pet stores for your dogs 381 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,320 to chew on. They stink like especially once 382 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,360 your dog starts chewing on them, like they smell bad. 383 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,520 Another thing that you know, I grew up with dogs who were given 384 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,280 pig ears. I still think pig ear, you know, 385 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,040 like a natural pig ear is still something great to give your 386 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,560 dog, but it's more of a treat than it like it is a chew, but 387 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,840 it's not going to last a long time. 388 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,800 Like these chews that we're talking about today. 389 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,920 It's going to give them a little bit of of exercise for their jaw 390 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,720 and they're going to eat it and they're going to be done with 391 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,280 it. It one of the things that I'm 392 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,840 not sure maybe you can tell me and we did, I didn't prep this 393 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,480 question at all. So who knows what's going to 394 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,800 happen next, but I do find with, you know, there certainly are 395 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,520 dogs in various stages of of resource guarding. 396 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,160 But I think with food based treats, food based chews, that 397 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,720 can be a little bit more exacerbated with with resource 398 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,440 garters. Do you see that? 399 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,640 Less so with these types of chews because they're not food? 400 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,720 Well, I think it's kind of again, it depends on the dog and 401 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 their behavior. So you know that, but we the two 402 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760 animal shoes we have, which are sheep horns and the red deer 403 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,520 antlers, I think dogs are probably more protective over 404 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,040 because they do have the animal scent. 405 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:33,720 They do have, you know, the taste that is more, you know, 406 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,080 flavorful for them. Are other chews with the briar 407 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,240 root, the coconut and the coffee wood? 408 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,640 Probably not as much. In fact, we do find a lot of 409 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,480 dogs that play with the coconut rope toys together. 410 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,400 So I had yesterday, we have a circle that we're developing a 411 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,360 coconut ring and I had my dog and my dad's dog tugging on it 412 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,520 together. I got a great video. 413 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,200 They're playing with it, eating one on each end. 414 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,520 It was the cutest thing. And so they're not, it's like a 415 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,960 playful toy. So a lot of our coconut rope 416 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,760 toys, including that's the Cocoa Ball, are similar to traditional 417 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,080 rope toys without the risks of what you would have with rope 418 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,640 toys getting washed in their intestines. 419 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,480 They're made of coconut. And so it is purely coconut 420 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,680 fibers that they smash the coconut, they dry out the fibers 421 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720 and they weave it together. It's hand braided. 422 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,480 All of these are hand braided and then they braid them into 423 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,080 different shapes. So we have like a cocoa bone. 424 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,680 We have a cocoa ball. We have, I don't have it with 425 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,200 me, but we have a coconut rope that has a piece of coffee. 426 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,560 What on it? Our most popular product is the 427 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,760 coffee and cocoa. So it's a tug and a chew and a 428 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,560 play toy all in one. But the fibers that come off are 429 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,280 completely digestible. They're very small fibers. 430 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,280 And we a lot of questions about this. 431 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Is it safe for my dog to swallow? 432 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,880 We'll have blocked their intestines. 433 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,880 And what we tell everyone is the fibers are so small, I could 434 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,360 literally just pull one off. And they're just these very 435 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,760 small hairs, like super, super small. 436 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,680 You can't even see them fully digestible. 437 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,000 But you also don't want your dog, you know, eating a huge 438 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,760 bunch of them because they're going to have some digestive 439 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,720 distress most likely because they're not meant to eat all 440 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,800 this drying coconut fiber at one time. 441 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,920 And so we say monitor your dog. If they're really chewing the 442 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,120 pieces out and swallowing them, they're probably going to have a 443 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:16,720 tummy ink. But they're not going to have 444 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840 the issues you have with traditional broke toys. 445 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,840 Yeah, one of the things I actually learned probably maybe 446 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,800 just a couple of years ago was how bad tennis balls are for 447 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,600 your dogs teeth. So I guess whatever the fiber is 448 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,280 that they're using on the exterior of tennis balls and 449 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,120 tennis balls are so popular for dogs. 450 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,120 Like you can actually find them in pet stores, like that's how 451 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:43,080 popular they are for dogs, but that it really damages the 452 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,880 enamel of your dog's teeth. And so I like the idea of using 453 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:52,000 the natural coconut instead, but getting that same like ball that 454 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,640 you could toss throw. Throw with it. 455 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,480 And the cool thing is these little fibers act like dental 456 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,440 floss. So they're scraping away the 457 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,680 plaque and the tartar they're getting in between the teeth. 458 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,360 And I play tug with this all the time with my dog. 459 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,960 And she's pulling on this. And like, I can see like the way 460 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,040 she's pulling is scraping her teeth. 461 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,200 And it's just great because the dog is taking care of its own 462 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,880 dental hygiene. And we don't have to think about 463 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,320 brushing the dog's teeth. And like, I just give my dog, 464 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,400 I'll give her any one of the chews or I'll play with her for 465 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240 a little bit. And I could tell her teeth are 466 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,520 are doing great, which is wonderful. 467 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,120 One less thing to think about, right? 468 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,120 That's great. We have a need to think about. 469 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,960 So, and I think you, I think you said it, but I just forgot 470 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,480 because that's how my brain is today. 471 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,040 The red deer antler versus the white deer antler. 472 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,680 What did you say the difference was there? 473 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,280 So it has a thicker cell wall on the outside, which makes it more 474 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,960 durable. So if you look at a white deer 475 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 antler and you compare like the end of it, it's thinner and 476 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,520 these are thicker. They also say that it has more 477 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600 vitamins inside of it. I think it's just, I want to say 478 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,840 a healthier breed of deer, but I think it's just is, you know, a 479 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,720 more robust deer, let's put it that way, from where it lives. 480 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,960 And so it does have more of the nutrients packed in it. 481 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,640 The other thing I don't think I mentioned to you, the only 482 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,440 products we have that have any calories are the red deer 483 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,960 antlers and the sheep horn. The other products are all 484 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,520 calorie free. And so that does make them a 485 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,520 great, you know, option for overweight dog. 486 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,760 A sedentary dog, especially the coffee would stick if the dog is 487 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,840 actively chewing on it. They're not getting any added 488 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,400 calories and yet they're burning calories. 489 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,480 And so that can be a great alternative because I know many 490 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,560 pet parents say, you know, I don't want to give my dog more 491 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080 calories. He's already needs to be 492 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,840 restricted. He already needs to lose weight. 493 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,400 These are great options of getting your dog more active and 494 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920 not, you know, heading to the weight gain. 495 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,720 Yeah. So, OK, the sheephorn chew is 496 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,240 what I was going to ask about next, but I want to talk. 497 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:51,440 So the the deer antler, we are, we are not trapping deer, We're 498 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,560 not raising deer specifically. We're just going on the the 499 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,480 floor of the forest or wherever and picking up what these deer 500 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,760 are naturally shedding. So with the sheep horns, is that 501 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,640 the same concept? Yeah. 502 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,640 That's exactly the same product concept. 503 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,400 So we all the think the animal products are naturally shed. 504 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,680 And so we're taking the pieces that would just otherwise be 505 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,920 left behind. And my husband actually the 506 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,840 owner of Conifer here in the US, he went over to the Czech 507 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,760 Republic and they did this practice where they went as 508 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,000 teams out into the forest and, you know, looked for them and 509 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640 gathered them and then came them back, came brought them back to 510 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,640 the warehouse and you know, sanded them down and checked 511 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,320 them. And I mean, there's so many 512 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,440 quality checks that happen because they are natural 513 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,920 products. So we have to make sure, you 514 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,960 know, they don't have, you know, anything growing on them or bugs 515 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,160 or something like that. So there's a lot of quality 516 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,560 checks that go into place, which was based on our German founders 517 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,200 bringing that to all the factories that we have worldwide 518 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,240 to say we need to have multiple quality checks to make sure 519 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,680 we're giving the best products. And to be honest, when I hold 520 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,840 all these shoes, none of them seem, they're all very, very 521 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,760 clean. There's not, like I said, 522 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,080 there's no odor. There's no, you know, residue 523 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,920 left behind. They're very natural clean 524 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,360 products. And as your dogs play with them, 525 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,000 you'll notice the same thing in your house. 526 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,360 They feel very clean. So one of the things I remember 527 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:18,720 saying, I reached out to friends who do have dogs that chew and I 528 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,000 was like, tell me what you think about this brand. 529 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,200 And they did say, and you mentioned this earlier, just to 530 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,960 make sure you're getting the right size, the right chew 531 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,000 level. So this is something that you 532 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,560 kind of have to know your dog for. 533 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,200 If somebody is just starting out with like a new dog and they 534 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,280 have no idea, where do you recommend they start? 535 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,520 Yeah, that's a good question. And that's probably one of the 536 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,160 most challenging thing with natural chews is figuring out 537 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,840 where to start. On our website, we do have what 538 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,720 we call a chewo meter and it does give some indication of, 539 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,040 you know, durability, long lasting, the strength of The 540 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,880 Chew. And so you can say like if my 541 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,680 dog is that, I know I need to head for this too. 542 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,840 But one thing I encourage people is what is your dog already 543 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,960 chewing that the dog likes? For example, some puppies love, 544 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,480 you know, they gravitate more towards socks or you know, 545 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760 furniture legs or are they chewing something wood? 546 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,680 OK, let's let's try a wood chew. Are they chewing something more 547 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,240 fabric? Y let's let's try something with 548 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,280 the coconut rope. Are they wanting the the scent 549 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,080 and the taste of an animal chew? Because those are the things 550 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760 they go after. That's how I usually say to 551 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760 start when it comes to the coffee wood. 552 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,520 It's usually a great place to start. 553 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Unless you know, my dog is a really aggressive chewer and he 554 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,480 can demolish a fully stick in minutes, then don't start there. 555 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,800 I would say try one of the harder chews and see, see where 556 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,600 it fits your dog. But I think one of the great 557 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200 options we have what we call a happy chew box and it has a 558 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,520 variety of four chews in it that you can try for your dog and say 559 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,480 which 2, it's a great value, Which two would my dog like the 560 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,960 best? And then we say a chew that your 561 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,600 dog doesn't prefer, give gift it to another dog and see if they 562 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,640 like it. I think it's useful to kind of 563 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,600 pass the word around that there are natural chews available. 564 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,320 You don't have to go with Coniferra, but there's options 565 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,040 out there that aren't plastic and you know are safer for your 566 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,600 dog. So before we talk about the cat 567 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,920 shoes, I'm glad you brought up the idea of, you know, other 568 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:27,360 shoes that are out there and why we would want to choose more 569 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,600 natural options. Obviously, I'm such a big fan of 570 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,040 the fact that they're, you know, this is sustainable. 571 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,520 This is something that we are taking what would otherwise be 572 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,360 waste and finding a really amazing use for it. 573 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560 I love that at the end of the day, even if that were not the 574 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:48,480 case, even if these were being grown intentionally for this 575 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,520 resource, there are so many things out there, especially 576 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,200 like these big box pet stores that seem, you know, people buy 577 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,320 so much junk. I just want to like be like, 578 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,480 please save your money. Please stop wasting your money. 579 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,800 You're not only wasting your money, you're also potentially 580 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,800 harming your pet with the money you are spending. 581 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,760 So what are some of the things that we absolutely want to stay 582 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,160 away from? I mean, I think #1 it's the 583 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,360 safety of your dog. And so, I mean, I will admit, 584 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,160 years ago we had a dog and we gave her, Now this is way before 585 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Connor Farah. We gave her a Nyla bone, sorry, 586 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600 Nyla bone fans, but she chewed A chunk off, got a lodge in her 587 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,280 intestine and had to have emergency surgery because they 588 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,480 pieces are not digestible. They got stuck and there was no 589 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,160 other way. But and now fortunately, she was 590 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520 a younger dog. She was only three or two at the 591 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,440 time. And so she came to the surgery 592 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,600 quite well. But for an older dog, that may 593 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,640 not always be the case. So I think #1 concern is could 594 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,480 my dog choke on any of the things, the plastic squeakers 595 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:59,600 and toys, obviously our big choking hazard rope, traditional 596 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,800 rope toys that can get lodged in the intestine because if you the 597 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560 dog gets a big piece off that, that can just get wrapped up in 598 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,480 there. And so those are huge concerns. 599 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840 So that's my number one thing. Is it going to be safe for your 600 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,760 dog to chew? And is what they're chewing 601 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,400 digestible? And then #2 you have to start to 602 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,720 think about the synthetics, the chemicals, the plastics that are 603 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,880 on the outside of this. I mean, if your dog is chewing 604 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800 on things and constantly getting plastics, their health, their 605 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,560 teeth, their dental health, you know, is going to really go 606 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,400 downhill. And then you're fighting a 607 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,840 losing battle trying to maybe even give them healthy food 608 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640 while they're chewing on something that's unhealthy. 609 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,120 And so those are my two biggest things, I would think first, as 610 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,760 a pet parent, is it safe for my dog? 611 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,560 And what are they, you know, getting inside of them as they 612 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,720 as they chew all of this? I think, I think so much about 613 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,720 the chemicals and rawhide and the like bleaching that 614 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,960 happened. It's just such a nasty, nasty 615 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,040 product to me. And then like you said, with the 616 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,920 plastics, I, you know, and the, and The thing is sort of 617 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,440 everywhere. They are everywhere. 618 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,680 I think I saw, I heard, I don't remember where I've, I've 619 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,440 probably heard this in multiple places, but like humans and we, 620 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,600 I think we, we know from various different tests. 621 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,840 And I don't think this particular test has been done on 622 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,840 dogs that I know of, but like various different tests, we know 623 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,600 that our pets are actually more toxic than we are. 624 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,960 Cats are the worst. They are the most toxic animals 625 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,640 on the planet because they don't get outside to off gas to 626 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120 ground. They're stuck in our homes. 627 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,080 They're so much smaller than most other animal. 628 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,800 And, and I don't know who knows with like hamsters, gerbils, 629 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,520 fish, I don't, I don't know. I don't know that they've been 630 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,800 tested. But like when humans recently 631 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:56,120 and and like recent years are tested post mortem, they have 632 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,280 enough microplastics in their brain to in the brain. 633 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,920 So this is passing through the blood brain barrier to like 634 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,120 create an entire credit card. That is terrifying. 635 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,520 And then just knowing that our pets are worse off than we are 636 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,440 because they're smaller than we are because they're not getting 637 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,120 outside the way we do. They're not wearing clothing to 638 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,360 protect them from things. They're walking on floors that 639 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,760 we just cleaned with chemicals and their paw pads absorb 640 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,080 everything Like it. It just, it's like it's our 641 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,800 obligation, I think to know all of this, to continue learning to 642 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,120 provide them with safe products, with safe food, with safe 643 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,680 choose, with safe toys. And yeah, I just wonder with 644 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,400 like the micro plastics where they're at because I know it's 645 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280 horrible for us. I know it's like there are 646 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,760 studies. We know it's got to be worse for 647 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,200 them. Well, I love that you brought up 648 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520 the concept, brought up the concept of grounding. 649 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,040 And so if you think about it, when a dog gets outside and 650 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040 their pop heads are on the grass, they are getting that 651 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,880 wonderful grounding and energy from the earth and the sun's 652 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,280 coming down. And Can you imagine if they also 653 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600 had a natural chew in their mouth that is also from nature? 654 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,760 That is that it's like the perfect trifecta of like 655 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,440 grounding on the earth, the fresh air, the sunshine, or just 656 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,840 being outside of nature and then chewing on some that is also 657 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,160 natural, getting into their bloodstream. 658 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,840 It's relaxing them, it's cleaning their teeth and it has 659 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,120 this beautiful synergy that all comes together. 660 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,640 And so if you follow us, any of our socials, the majority of our 661 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,880 content is outdoors. A Conifera dog is a dog that's 662 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,400 outdoors in nature, no matter the weather, enjoying, you know, 663 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,680 what Mother Nature has. And that's what we want to 664 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,920 provide is like these safe chews of saying, oh, tons of dogs have 665 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,800 chewed on these. We know they're OK for dogs to 666 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,240 chew. Just find the right one for your 667 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,960 dog and your dog is going to achieve that balanced, peaceful 668 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,920 state that there's there they want so badly. 669 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,280 It's like we want so badly, but how do we get there? 670 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,440 Let's help our dogs get there. I actually one of my favorite 671 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,120 food brands, Green Juju, Billy Hookman comes on the podcast 672 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,440 regularly. And that's something he's been 673 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719 talking about lately too, is like bringing bringing the 674 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:20,080 outdoors back in because so many dogs don't don't live in an area 675 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,520 where they even can get outside and tell, you know, if you think 676 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,639 about people that live in like New York City and they're living 677 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:30,560 in a high rise, you know, these dogs may may not touch the grass 678 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,960 their whole lives. And so bringing anything we can 679 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,120 do to bring the outdoors in to bring whether that is through 680 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,639 food and enrichment like this, like this is I just keep going 681 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,280 back to like the trees. I mean the antlers too, But like 682 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,480 this is bringing nature back into our dogs lives when they're 683 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,320 so far removed from it. You know, I think generally 684 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,760 speaking, dogs have it better where they at least go outside 685 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560 to for potty breaks. Of course, if you're in a city 686 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,360 like and they're doing this on concrete, then you're you're not 687 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,600 getting the benefit, but you're getting the fresh air, you're 688 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,000 getting the off gassing, but you're not getting the 689 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,040 grounding. Cats have it even worse because 690 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,560 they're not they they're they're rarely getting outside, if at 691 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,600 all. Are, you know, even when they're 692 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,160 using their lure box, not using like natural litters. 693 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,920 It's all synthetic, it's all fragrance. 694 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,480 It's terrible. Like our cats. 695 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,120 I feel so badly for them. And so you guys have recently 696 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,480 come out with some cat shoes. It looks like shoes and toys, 697 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,880 four of them. So tell me about, tell me about 698 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,040 them and how those. What we found was that we had a 699 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,840 lot of dog owners coming to us and saying, hey, do you make 700 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,480 anything for cats or My cat loves the coconut rope. 701 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,160 The coconut rope is very appealing to cats. 702 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,680 If they are able to scratch it, they're able to bite on it and 703 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,800 gnaw on it, similar to dogs. It's great for their dental 704 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,840 hygiene, which I've never tried to brush a cat's teeth and I 705 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,160 don't think I want to because I don't think it would be very 706 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,080 healthy. But again, it does the same 707 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,080 thing with the natural dental floss and the scraping away of 708 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,640 plaque and tartar. But we had pet owners just 709 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,400 saying like you need to make something for cats and Conifer 710 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,480 is branded as a dog company. And so this has been an 711 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,960 interesting journey for us to break into the cat world. 712 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,000 We did some research on pheromones and what cats are 713 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,120 attracted to in terms of scent. And yes, they liked the coffee 714 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,280 wood, but they love olive wood. And so we have developed one of 715 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,120 our cat toys is an olive wood and coconut rope toy. 716 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,800 It's cat sized so it's much smaller than the dog size. 717 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920 They can bite on it, they can chew on it, they can bat it 718 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,960 around. But we're also finding cats love 719 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,040 to nuzzle it. They like the scent of it. 720 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,520 I have gotten a lot of feedback with cats sleeping with their 721 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,240 their little toy, which is really cute. 722 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,680 But it also gives them one thing you mentioned earlier, the 723 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,720 mental stimulation and the engagement, which the dog cheese 724 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:07,120 provide the dogs and these cat toys now provide the cats. 725 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,600 We don't sometimes think about what kind of mental enrichment 726 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,600 do our pets need? And yes, we want them to maybe 727 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,280 calm down or just give us a little space if we're working. 728 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120 But also they want to be stimulated like they're bored, 729 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,080 you know? And so giving them different 730 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,880 opportunities for mental enrichment. 731 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,720 And there's so many more out there now. 732 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,080 But again, this is a natural way to do it as opposed to maybe the 733 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,040 lick mats that could make them frustrated or have plastics. 734 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,840 This is a natural way to say this is also mental stimulation 735 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,960 for both cats and dogs. I love it. 736 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,840 I love I love the story behind it all. 737 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,240 I love that it's natural. I love that it's sustainable. 738 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:50,040 I love that it's so well received by cats and dogs and 739 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,960 just, you know, the whole mission behind it. 740 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,760 I'm here for it. So I want to say thank you. 741 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,080 I want to give you a moment if there's anything else that we 742 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,040 didn't talk about that you wanted to talk about. 743 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,240 And then we can talk about like where people can find these 744 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,880 products at. Thank you. 745 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,800 Thank you. I mean, I think we covered all 746 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,120 the chews pretty well. Like I said, the biggest thing 747 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,280 is just finding the right chew for your dog. 748 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,800 And please, if anyone's unsure, reach out. 749 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,720 I get so many, I run the marketing in Coniferra and I get 750 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,000 so many questions like I don't even know where to begin. 751 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,360 And so the first question is like, what is your dog like to 752 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,000 chew now? And let's try it. 753 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,320 Like let's try something that's a little bit similar to that. 754 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,280 And then how aggressive a chewer is your dog? 755 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,560 The challenges that we face as an actual chew company, is the 756 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,360 dog destroyed that quickly or something like that? 757 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800 And the first things I usually say is was it the correct size? 758 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,840 Because that can be an issue. Please don't say I want to save 759 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,080 money and try out and get a small stick for a large dog. 760 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,320 He could easily just crack it right in half. 761 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,320 It's depending on the aggressiveness of the dog. 762 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,080 Get the right size for your dog or size up and make sure that 763 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,680 you're monitoring your dog while chewing because with any new 764 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,520 product, you don't know what your dog's going to do with it. 765 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Like I said, you don't want your dog eating tons of coconut 766 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,760 fibers and throwing up because he was not meant to eat tons of 767 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,880 coconut fibers. So monitor your dog and you can 768 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,480 always use use these chews as like a give them a time limit. 769 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,520 Like I said, 20 minutes is ideal for chewing or as like a 770 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,600 behavior type of system. One pet parent I have, she has a 771 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,960 very large, I think it's a goldendoodle and she uses the 772 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,400 sheep horn during grooming time. So she will literally hold the 773 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,440 sheep horn out for the dog and the dog will chew while she 774 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,400 grooms. And she said this is the only 775 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,280 way her dog will stay still or be brushed. 776 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,640 And so that's another alternative. 777 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,120 You can say like I'm only going to bring the sheep horn out for 778 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,920 this time and be creative about it. 779 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,880 I think it's useful. Also, the sheephorn is great to 780 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,720 put like peanut butter in or you can try yogurt. 781 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,920 Just make sure to clean it out because it is a natural product. 782 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,120 Give that as you're a little enrichment toy. 783 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,360 And probably the one of the last things I'll say is don't leave 784 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,800 these outside. They're great to give your dog 785 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,840 outside to be in nature, but don't leave them outside because 786 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,480 they it rains. They will get, you know, moldy 787 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,040 and dirty and then you don't want your dog chewing on them. 788 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,320 So if you let your dog play outside, just. 789 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,120 Bring them back in when you're done so that way you don't end 790 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,760 up wasting the sticks. You know, like my dad leaves 791 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,400 outside and I yell at him all the time. 792 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,280 I'm like, can we bring these inside? 793 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,680 He's like, you know, but. No, that makes sense. 794 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,920 That makes so much sense. And we do have to be aware of 795 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:28,120 these things that are different for natural products versus, you 796 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,880 know, plastics and things that that most people are used to. 797 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,040 We just have to be aware. And if we know, then we can we 798 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,760 can do the things we need to do. So. 799 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,200 Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up. 800 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,520 So where can people find these shoes? 801 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,640 I know I've seen them in some indie pet stores, but it's it is 802 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,040 newer in the US. It's you know, you tell me 803 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,320 we've. Been here a little over three 804 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,800 years in the US. We've been in Europe for 10 plus 805 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,880 years, but US, we've been a little over three years and so 806 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960 gradually you're going to start to see us. 807 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,000 We're in Hollywood feed now and we're in a lot of mom and pop 808 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,800 shops all around the country. But conifera.com, it's spelled a 809 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,880 little funny. CANOP, hera.com, you can order 810 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,040 directly there. We do sales monthly, multiple 811 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,360 sales. We're just wrapping up a big 812 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,960 Memorial Day sale, 25% off site wide. 813 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,520 It was pretty awesome. We do a lot like that because we 814 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,760 want people to just try it out and see what you think. 815 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440 And yeah, you can check us out on our socials because we're 816 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440 constantly posting educational stuff that you can find out more 817 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,480 about natural shoes or how to use them right with your dog. 818 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,640 I love it. Thank you so much for coming on 819 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,520 and educating people about this. Again, I think, you know, it's 820 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,480 easy to just go into a big box store and buy something, but 821 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,720 when we actually know better, we know like the reasons behind 822 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,280 using more natural shoes, we know how to make them work for 823 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,720 our dog, how to choose them like that. 824 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,400 It it, it takes a lot of the overwhelm out of figuring it out 825 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,560 on your own, like because I know I was looking going. 826 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,360 Yeah, for sure. We're a transparent company too. 827 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,720 So I when people reach out, we get back to people super quickly 828 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:17,560 and just let you know what we're about. 829 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,600 And we're an open buck. We'll tell you exactly how, 830 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,360 where everything comes from and how everything is made. 831 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,800 My husband recently went to Vietnam and made some videos to 832 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,560 show how the production works over there. 833 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,680 And so those will be rolling out on our YouTube. 834 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,520 And so you can see like this is actually how it's manufactured 835 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920 because like I said, we're it's great for dogs, but we're also, 836 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,240 it's good for people because we're employing a lot of people 837 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:44,480 over there and using the resources that they already have 838 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,200 to bring a lot of joy to dogs around the world. 839 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,360 Love it, love it guys. Check the links in the show 840 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,680 notes. Thank you so much, Jen for being 841 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,600 here and helping to educate on natural chew options for dogs 842 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,440 and cats, toys and shoes. I appreciate you. 843 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,960 I appreciate the mission behind Coniferra and yeah, just excited 844 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,480 to hear what people think about it once they give it a try. 845 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,040 Thank you so much. I appreciate you being on me 846 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,280 being on today. It was awesome and I hope 847 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,800 everyone will give us an opportunity to let their dogs 848 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,320 chill. Yeah, I love it guys. 849 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,560 Have a fabulous rest of your day. 850 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,600 Thank you so much for being here. 851 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,920 Please give your pets some extra love from me and from Jen this 852 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,480 week and I will talk to you next week.