1
00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,240
Welcome back, pet parent. 
Today I have one of the coolest 

2
00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,960
guests I could possibly have for
you. 

3
00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,160
And I don't say that just 
because she's staring at me on 

4
00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,320
the screen right now. 
I say that because I got to meet

5
00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:18,200
her about a year and a half ago 
at the HVMA conference in San 

6
00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:24,720
Diego and she just blew me away 
with how casually she's just 

7
00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,520
like knows so much. 
And I, I love it. 

8
00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,760
I love that she's so willing to 
not only help her animal 

9
00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,760
patients, but to help other 
people do better with their 

10
00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,920
animal patients. 
And so I, I would love to 

11
00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:48,400
welcome a recipient of the 
Carvel. 

12
00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:55,240
I is it Teichert? 
Teichert, a recent recipient of 

13
00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,760
the Carvel Tikkert Lifetime 
Achievement Award at the 

14
00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,480
American Holistic Veterinary 
Medical Association. 

15
00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,480
Doctor PJ Broadfoot, thank you 
so much for being here with us 

16
00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,480
today. 
Thanks for inviting me. 

17
00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,680
Just I am great. 
Well, I say that it is cold here

18
00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,920
and I don't like cold weather. 
I mean, I left Kansas because I 

19
00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,440
didn't like cold weather and I 
think it followed me to 

20
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,120
Arkansas. 
It's like been in the teens and 

21
00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,000
supposed to get down into the 
single digits, which is 

22
00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,200
generally not in Arkansas. 
It's not going to last very 

23
00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,360
long, but it kind of feels like 
I'm into Arctic, so, you know. 

24
00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,400
I can't. 
I can't even. 

25
00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,120
I'm in Central Texas and I 
definitely did not come here to 

26
00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,760
yesterday. 
Wake up to 21°. 

27
00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,400
I'm like, what is going on? 
Yeah, we at least didn't get the

28
00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,880
8 inches of snow they got in 
Northwest Arkansas. 

29
00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,880
We got we get just got an inch 
so but it is cold. 

30
00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,280
It's been really cold. 
Well, you know, spring is spring

31
00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,320
is coming, so something to look 
forward to. 

32
00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,440
We're we're over the hump of the
middle of winter at least that's

33
00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,600
right. 
So hopefully spring will be here

34
00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,880
before we know it, but you have 
been a practicing veterinarian 

35
00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,960
for quite some time and you are 
not only into some really cool 

36
00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,160
holistic modalities, but some 
that I had never heard of and 

37
00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:24,120
probably more that I have still 
not heard of, which isn't, you 

38
00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:29,640
know, a big leap. 
But I just, it amazes me how 

39
00:02:29,640 --> 00:02:33,240
much there is out there. 
And I'd love to start off just 

40
00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,160
by getting a brief synopsis of 
like your story and how you got 

41
00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,640
to be where you are and how much
you love animals and all of. 

42
00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,560
That jazz. 
Well, I got into veterinary 

43
00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,480
medicine. 
I I'm actually from a very 

44
00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,760
medical family. 
My stepdad was, my real dad was 

45
00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,560
a doctor, he was a neurologist. 
My stepdad was an internist 

46
00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:56,240
cardiologist. 
My grandfather was a General 

47
00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,520
practitioner. 
They didn't specialize in those 

48
00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,200
days. 
And interestingly enough, the 

49
00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,920
person that he had take care of 
his family back in the 30s 

50
00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:09,280
probably was a homeopath, an MD 
homeopath before the Flexner 

51
00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,320
report completely squashed 
homeopathy in the United States.

52
00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,920
So, but so my step dad was 
really, really open to all kinds

53
00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:19,520
of stuff. 
They used homeopathy and his 

54
00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,240
family and he actually used an 
herbal for hypertension in his 

55
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,600
patients. 
So, you know, he just had a, he 

56
00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,560
never, he never believed the 
statin stuff, the cholesterol 

57
00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,520
stuff, you know, he was kind of 
a skeptic of a lot of those 

58
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,400
things. 
So medicine was just kind of in 

59
00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,600
the just in the genes, I guess 
was in my family. 

60
00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,240
When I decided I was going to go
to vet school, my stepdad said, 

61
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,040
honey, don't you want to be a 
real doctor? 

62
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,520
We'd we'd laugh. 
We joked for years that I didn't

63
00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,400
want to be an Rd. want to be a 
DVM, not an RDA real doctor. 

64
00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,680
So, and you know, with time, he 
kind of he came to terms he had 

65
00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,720
one of his other kids, one of 
my, my younger sister became an 

66
00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,160
MD. 
So he got an MD out of the out 

67
00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,920
of the sibling bunch. 
So he was fine. 

68
00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,920
And then we've got the like, 
I've got a, he's going to Med 

69
00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,440
school, a nephew that is a, is a
anesthesiologist. 

70
00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,640
My son is a pathologist. 
So like we've contributed more 

71
00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,800
to the, the human side of it. 
Not one of my four children 

72
00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,720
wanted to be veterinarians. 
It's kind of sad. 

73
00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,640
I think that dragged him out of 
bed at 3:00 in the morning to go

74
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,360
on emergency calls, probably 
broken any aspirations of being 

75
00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,720
veterinarians. 
So so anyway, I went to bed 

76
00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080
school and and the first my 
first introduction to anything 

77
00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,960
holistic in the veterinary 
world. 

78
00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,800
We actually at K state of all 
places, which is obviously not 

79
00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,480
one of your alternative 
medicine, integrative medicine 

80
00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,160
kinds of schools had a couple of
acupuncture's come in and talk 

81
00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,800
to the student chapter AM A A/B 
MA and so I knew there was 

82
00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,560
something else out there. 
It was the first time I'd heard 

83
00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,480
of acupuncture, but I knew that 
there were other things out 

84
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,480
there. 
So kind of gave me just an 

85
00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,920
inkling that that we didn't what
we learned in Med school wasn't 

86
00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,640
all there was to know and that 
school just left all kinds of 

87
00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,400
trails of odds and ends of 
things. 

88
00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,160
They talked about actually fecal
microbial transplant, that I'm 

89
00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,480
old. 
I got out in 1981 and they 

90
00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:15,600
talked about fecal microbial 
transplants. 

91
00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,520
The first one I ever did was in 
1981 on a horse when I worked on

92
00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,560
the the set of the Blue and the 
Gray, which was a mini series 

93
00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,840
that was done back then. 
I had a horse that colic and he 

94
00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:29,280
was a valuable horse. 
None of the drugs touched him. 

95
00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,200
I mean, none of them. 
So I remembered something, you 

96
00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,960
know, one of those offhand 
comments that one of the 

97
00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,560
clinicians made and I took poop 
from several different horses 

98
00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,120
and meals and I put it down with
a nasal gastric tube and it was 

99
00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,480
like miraculous. 
And I then I didn't do it again 

100
00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,000
for about 30 years, which is 
really stupid, but but I got 

101
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,880
that, you know, little bit of 
information in that school. 

102
00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,040
And then they talked about 
butazolidin was retarded bone 

103
00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,000
healing and race horses. 
So I knew back in the that as 

104
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,040
far back as the 70s, we knew 
that non steroidals retarded 

105
00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,200
healing, but you know, when you 
get out of school and that all 

106
00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,440
you have is Butte and aspirin 
and Arquel, which didn't last 

107
00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,520
very long in the market. 
So I'm guessing it was deadly. 

108
00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:11,680
And that was before the 
Internet. 

109
00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,680
So I don't really even know what
happened to it, but it just kind

110
00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,880
of disappeared. 
Learned about autologous blood 

111
00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,360
therapy of all things from a cow
vet who said, well, you know, if

112
00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,200
you can't get that cow over it, 
take a slug of blood out of the 

113
00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,840
jugular and put it back in the 
hip. 

114
00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:29,520
And at the time I thought what a
weird thing to say. 

115
00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880
But, you know, then I started 
learning about autologous blood 

116
00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,560
therapies when I started doing a
lot of the homotox stuff. 

117
00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,840
And for years I lectured for 
years on on autologous blood 

118
00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:40,520
therapies. 
And I finally went down a rabbit

119
00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,440
hole with it that had to have 
come from somewhere in the 

120
00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,480
United States. 
And because why would that 

121
00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,160
veterinarian K State have even 
mentioned that? 

122
00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,080
And it turns out that AMD named 
Rosenau, I think was doing 

123
00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,800
autologous blood therapy in at 
GOSH, one of the big schools, 

124
00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,880
Mayo Clinic, Mayo Clinic, he was
doing, he was doing blood 

125
00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,840
therapies. 
So but you know, you can't 

126
00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:07,480
patent blood. 
So it kind of fell out of favor,

127
00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,360
but it's, it's an immensely 
valuable form of therapy because

128
00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,960
it's basically body specific 
immunotherapy. 

129
00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,000
So, you know, they were, and 
there were other things, you 

130
00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,480
know, that people just mentioned
in, in that school that steroids

131
00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,600
should be a line of last resort 
and things that kind of colored 

132
00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,360
my, my looking for other things 
when I got out. 

133
00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,680
And then when I got out, God 
just dropped things in my lap. 

134
00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,240
Every once in a while I was 
like, here, look at this, look 

135
00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,920
at that. 
And then I get a case that 

136
00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,520
nothing else would work on and 
then you'd have to be looking 

137
00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,520
for something else. 
That's how I got started on 

138
00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,080
homotox. 
And then thymus extracts. 

139
00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,520
I learned when I was in Germany,
couldn't find any thymus 

140
00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,160
extracts when I got home, but I 
learned about it there. 

141
00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,520
And then someone happened just 
walk in my clinic one day that 

142
00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,080
was a Rep for one of, for a 
different company that I mean, 

143
00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,280
this thymus extract wasn't, 
wasn't handled by anybody. 

144
00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,200
And he said, are you interested 
in thymus extracts? 

145
00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,440
It's like, my gosh, yes. 
And about two weeks later I got 

146
00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:06,080
a box in the mail from Hawaii, 
these little lyophilized vials 

147
00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,400
and a diluent. 
And I thought, I have no idea 

148
00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,720
what to do with this at this 
point in time. 

149
00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,680
What I learned about it for was 
cancer, didn't have a cancer 

150
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,720
case at the time, but then I got
a last ditch in for case on the 

151
00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,640
cat and I gave it to him because
absolutely nothing else worked. 

152
00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,160
And that's why you get those is 
so that you use them and then 

153
00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,440
you're down bad. 
You're down that track. 

154
00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,960
We've used it on thousands of 
cases since that that cat's name

155
00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,880
was Stevie. 
And we've used it on thousands 

156
00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,840
of cases since then. 
So, you know, so it's one thing 

157
00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,720
after another that just, you 
know, here, try this. 

158
00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,840
Yes, Oh my goodness, there's so 
much, so much in there. 

159
00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,440
I think to be to be learned. 
But what are so a couple of the 

160
00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:56,320
things that I had never heard of
thymus extract before I met you 

161
00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:02,120
and I had heard but had not 
really utilized deer antler 

162
00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,080
velvet. 
Yes. 

163
00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,040
And and so those are a couple of
things that I find incredibly 

164
00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,000
intriguing in both cases. 
What are they? 

165
00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,320
How do you use them? 
It sounds like with Thymus you 

166
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,840
use it for quite a bit. 
Yeah, just about everything. 

167
00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,720
Basically it's the linchpin of 
the immune system. 

168
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,480
So it helps to balance, 
counterbalance the T threes, T 

169
00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,720
fours. 
So whether you've got a hyper 

170
00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:29,160
immune state or a hypo immune 
state, whether you've got cancer

171
00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,400
or autoimmunity or inflammation,
it actually has some anti shock 

172
00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,400
effects. 
It's just an amazing, but you 

173
00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,640
know, you think about it, the 
linchpin of the immune system, 

174
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,080
it shrinks with age doesn't mean
it does not work at all anymore,

175
00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,720
but and you can regrow thymus, 
which I think is pretty 

176
00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,360
interesting, but it's so 
integral to to the immune 

177
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,320
system, which is the center 
point of everything. 

178
00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,720
So, you know, we use it off 
label as an as an injectable 

179
00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,760
often, more often than not as an
autologous blood therapy. 

180
00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,040
And we use it. 
You can use it in acupuncture 

181
00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,680
points. 
I do quack you puncture. 

182
00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,600
I only know a few good points. 
I've learned a few here and 

183
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,320
there and I put them in those 
points and I know you know which

184
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,640
ones to use. 
You can use it sub Qi am. 

185
00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,800
It's just an absolutely amazing 
therapy. 

186
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,680
And, you know, we've done a lot 
of lectures on cases that we've 

187
00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:30,000
had that have just been, you 
know, kind of the blow you away,

188
00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,080
you know, just, you know, that's
what worked. 

189
00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,360
So thymus extract's been a, a 
big part of my armamentarium 

190
00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,680
probably for about 12 years or 
so now. 

191
00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:42,360
Deer antler was kind of funny 
because I happened to they, they

192
00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,200
were at a H VMA1 year. 
The New Zealand people were, and

193
00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,200
I had kind of, I walked or was 
walking around the exhibit hall 

194
00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,360
and I the thing that attracted 
me to it wasn't the deer antler,

195
00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,240
which I didn't know anything 
about. 

196
00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,800
It was the fact that they used 
turnip and which is the 

197
00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,440
Greenland muscle and Perna 
changed the way I practiced 

198
00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:05,240
medicine back about 1980 three 
1984 because it's so 

199
00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,920
regenerative. 
It has anti-inflammatory 

200
00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,560
capabilities. 
It has 9 glycosaminoglycans, 53 

201
00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:14,480
fatty acids, three of which are 
that we know are 

202
00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,560
anti-inflammatory. 
So the only I have always used 

203
00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,080
Detrascience and that's the and 
that changed the way I practiced

204
00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,600
literally because I knew non 
steroidals retarded healing 

205
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,520
because the thing that actually 
recruits stem cells for healing 

206
00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,480
is the inflammation. 
So if you give an 

207
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,720
anti-inflammatory in an acute 
injury, you have retarded 

208
00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,560
healing on a cellular level. 
So what? 

209
00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,240
So when I ran across the Perna, 
that just completely changed the

210
00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,640
way I practice because there was
something else that you could 

211
00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,320
use in an acute injury or in 
chronic injuries. 

212
00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:55,760
We use it for dogs with, you 
know, chronic arthritis. 

213
00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,120
Interestingly enough, it can 
also help with, you know, 

214
00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,880
bladder disease in cats because 
and and gastrointestinal issues 

215
00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,760
because it has an 
acetylglucosamine in it, which 

216
00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,000
is the primary coder of the 
mucus membranes. 

217
00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,520
So, yeah, we had a cat that had 
been on antibiotics like 

218
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,400
forever. 
I just one after another. 

219
00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,440
And I don't like antibiotics to 
begin with. 

220
00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:20,440
I really do test them now. 
I use them every once in a 

221
00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,240
while. 
But you know, they they have to 

222
00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:23,800
best be a clear indication for 
it. 

223
00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,040
But this cat, it was just, it 
was driving me crazy because we 

224
00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,200
just kept, you know, she beyond 
the antibiotics she'd clear up. 

225
00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,400
A few weeks later, she'd back in
with another UTI. 

226
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,320
So I finally said, Luanne, we're
missing something here. 

227
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,480
I don't know what it is, but I 
put her on new cat, which at 

228
00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,040
that time had Perna. 
It doesn't have Perna in it 

229
00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,960
anymore, but it was like a broad
spectrum kind of a nutritional 

230
00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,120
supplement. 
And lo and behold, that cat 

231
00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,360
cleared up and was years went 
years without another UTI then 

232
00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,640
you know, year. 
And I, I thought I had no idea 

233
00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,080
really what a component of that 
helped until there was an 

234
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,240
actually a journal article that 
was talking about injectable 

235
00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:09,280
glycans for cats with cystitis. 
And I went, it was the 

236
00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,440
permanent. 
So we have used Perna and or an 

237
00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,200
acetal glucosamine now for 
decades for cats with cystitis. 

238
00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,440
So and an acetal glucosamine has
actually been used for like for 

239
00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:26,680
people with IBS, IBD and it can 
reduce the stress that gut brain

240
00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:28,520
highway thing. 
There are people, there's no, 

241
00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,080
there's no research on it. 
I looked at least there wasn't a

242
00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,240
few years ago, but there were a 
lot of people who took an acetal

243
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,120
glucosamine that said that their
stress levels reduced remarkably

244
00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,880
when they were taking in a seed 
of glucosamine for their gap. 

245
00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,200
So yeah, always there's always 
new stuff to learn. 

246
00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,080
So anyway, back to the how I end
up on deer antler. 

247
00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:55,600
I I digress a lot, I think. 
Yeah, they had Pernet. 

248
00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,840
They had this product called 
that was AI think it was called 

249
00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,600
dog agility or something. 
At the time it was deer antler 

250
00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,240
and Perna. 
So I thought, well, you know, I 

251
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,080
really don't know anything about
deer antler. 

252
00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,920
And I didn't at that time didn't
really think I needed much of 

253
00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:15,920
anything else for the arthritis.
But at an ABC one year, I was 

254
00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,240
invited to a dinner with a bunch
of veterinarians from Israel and

255
00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,880
most of them used the deer 
antler and liked it a lot. 

256
00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,280
And I thought, well, you know, 
there's, there's enough people 

257
00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,000
here that find it useful that I,
I went ahead and got some of it.

258
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,520
And the, the first dog I put on 
it had been actually was doing 

259
00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,120
better. 
She had been improving with 

260
00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,840
time. 
But when she came into my 

261
00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:43,000
practice, she had been, she'd 
had a cruciate surgery done a 

262
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,000
year or so before and the 
surgery went fine. 

263
00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,440
She never used the leg. 
She was just packing that leg. 

264
00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,200
So she was 3 legged and she 
started blowing the other 

265
00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,400
cruciate. 
I mean, she was, couldn't squat 

266
00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,800
to pee. 
And so the owner, you know, told

267
00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,800
me, he said, you know, if you 
can't help her, we're going to 

268
00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,120
have to put her down because she
literally cannot urinate. 

269
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,360
You know, nothing like being 
under the gun. 

270
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,240
So we started her on complex 
homeopathics. 

271
00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,640
We were doing injections on her.
And then I sent her to a friend 

272
00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,680
of mine who does Prolow therapy.
I don't, I don't inject joints. 

273
00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680
It makes me nervous. 
So he did, he was doing quite a 

274
00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,320
bit of Prolow at the time. 
And I sent her there and that 

275
00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360
improved her. 
So we were getting some, you 

276
00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,600
know, we were we were moving in 
the right direction. 

277
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,600
We did some supplements on her 
and then I had gotten the deer 

278
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,640
antler permit and I said, let's 
let's try this on her. 

279
00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,400
Her name was Cassie and she was 
a weenie. 

280
00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,040
So, you know, that leg was 
probably fine. 

281
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,560
She was just a weenie about it. 
So we put her on the deer 

282
00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640
antler. 
And I am telling you it was not 

283
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,880
very long. 
That dog was running and both 

284
00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,960
legs, I mean using both legs, 
including the leg that she 

285
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,120
hadn't used in a year. 
So when I was hooked, because, 

286
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,920
yeah, when you think about it, 
deer antler is the only 

287
00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,440
mammalian tissue that 
regenerates every year. 

288
00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,320
It goes from a blastema to a 
rack. 

289
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,000
It grows an inch or two a day. 
Those there's called service 

290
00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,440
Elvis is is the variety in New 
Zealand that they harvest those 

291
00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:15,000
from an inch or two a day. 
That is a phenomenal rate of 

292
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360
regeneration. 
So you can imagine that there's 

293
00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,440
a lot of regenerative potential 
in those antlers. 

294
00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,640
So it's a we've used, we, we use
a lot of it. 

295
00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,320
And then we, we developed a 
formula that has deer antler, 

296
00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,680
Perna thymus colostrum and an 
algae. 

297
00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,640
And the algae that I wanted was 
is AFA algae, which is grown in,

298
00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,440
which grows in a lake in Oregon.
And it also was another game 

299
00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,560
changer in my practice. 
I love blue-green algae, but 

300
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,760
they don't grow. 
They don't have anything like 

301
00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,680
that in New Zealand. 
It's a cold water algae and it 

302
00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,760
grow the lakes that it grows in 
is frigid. 

303
00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160
I tried to walk through the 
headwaters of it one year and I 

304
00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,440
levitated out of the water. 
It was so cold, I couldn't walk.

305
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,200
There was people swimming in 
that I could, I could even walk 

306
00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,000
in it. 
It's freezing. 

307
00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,880
So, but to, to maintain cellular
integrity in that cold, cold 

308
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,560
lake, the those that algae has 
to put a lot of omega-3 fatty 

309
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,640
acids into the cell wall. 
So it is literally the bottom of

310
00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,720
the food chain for omega-3 fatty
acids. 

311
00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,599
So, and we've made a powder in 
the clinic. 

312
00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,040
We, you know, we don't, it's not
commercially available at this 

313
00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,880
point in time, but we have added
that, that blue-green algae to 

314
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,360
our powder at the clinic. 
But the one that they still make

315
00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,760
in New Zealand has a red algae, 
which it was kind of a funny 

316
00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,720
deal I was looking for. 
I was looking for an algae that 

317
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,080
they harvested in New Zealand 
and I found this kind of a 

318
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,640
abstract on a study that was 
where it showed that the they 

319
00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,640
were using this particular 
algae, red algae, but it turned 

320
00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,800
the oil green. 
And I said, well, it has to be, 

321
00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,000
it has to have, it has to have 
chlorophyll. 

322
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,480
I was looking for chlorophyll. 
Chlorophyll is a base. 

323
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,680
The body can actually nearly 
free substitute the iron 

324
00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,760
molecule into the algae to make 
blood. 

325
00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,520
So it's a blood builder. 
It's a blood builder. 

326
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,800
My mother went from a hemoglobin
of four to a hemoglobin of 10. 

327
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,200
I'm just taking the blue-green 
algae from Klamath. 

328
00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,480
So anyway, I was looking for a 
green algae and but there was, 

329
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,360
it was just an abstract. 
I couldn't get the paper. 

330
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,880
So I contacted Barry and the 
lady who'd done the the work was

331
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,440
in Christchurch, New Zealand. 
And she said, so she, he calls 

332
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,200
me and he said, hey guy. 
I saw that she was in 

333
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,280
Christchurch, so I rang her next
thing I know. 

334
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,000
So I'm talking to this, this 
researcher who's probably kind 

335
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,600
of thrilled that somebody 
actually read her paper. 

336
00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:48,360
And she said, Oh yeah, that is 
a, that is a green algae in a 

337
00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:51,360
red coat. 
So it actually does have 

338
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:53,560
chlorophyll in it. 
And that's, so that's what's in 

339
00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,720
the what's called pentagenesis, 
which is the, the algae 

340
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,000
combination that with the thymus
and the colostrum and the, and 

341
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:06,360
the antler and the perna. 
So it's a, it's has been, that 

342
00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:10,440
has been a really, really good 
combination for a lot of dogs 

343
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,800
for a lot of different 
combinations of problems. 

344
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:18,080
So use a lot of that one. 
I mean, I feel like that's 

345
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,080
enough. 
And for me, like people can, 

346
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,040
can, could stop there if they 
wanted to. 

347
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,640
Please don't because there's so 
much more coming, but they could

348
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,120
stop there and be like, you blew
my mind. 

349
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,600
I need to think on this for a 
couple of days and I'm going to 

350
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,120
come back and listen to that was
so much. 

351
00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,400
Yeah, well, that's kind of The 
funny thing. 

352
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,400
That's why modus operandi is I 
use something and then if it 

353
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,680
works, then I have to know why. 
So then I then then I'm down 

354
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,640
rabbit holes for days or weeks 
on end. 

355
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:51,320
Actually, we're getting ready to
to hopefully develop a thymus 

356
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,800
book. 
But when we went to, when I went

357
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,840
to gather the data that I have, 
I have like 34 of information on

358
00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:02,560
thymus extract alone. 
So there's there. 

359
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,880
There's not a large language 
model right now that can handle 

360
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,160
that. 
Now Neo, which is now I take it 

361
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,600
back, I think he's, I think his 
new, the new one is called 

362
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,960
Enoch. 
But Mike Adams, who's the health

363
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,840
Ranger has developed a large 
language model that probably can

364
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,680
handle all that data. 
And part of the reason there's 

365
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,920
so much of it is I've got videos
and pictures and, and there's so

366
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,360
much data to collate that needs 
to be kind of put in a framework

367
00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:33,960
that that's digestible. 
So, and then I, we did, I did 

368
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,160
that 7 hours of video of an 
interview with Doctor Ushishima 

369
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,200
that developed the thymus 
extract. 

370
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,680
So 7 hours of conversation with 
the absolute one of the most 

371
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,600
brilliant people on the planet. 
So you know, that that's a lot 

372
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,960
to kind of distill down too. 
And a lot of the, a lot of the 

373
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,720
things that I used it for were 
because of things that he's, you

374
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,520
know, would say like in passing.
It's like they, he said that 

375
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:05,200
they had a dozen patients with 
end stage emphysema that they 

376
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,040
gave. 
Well, one of the docs I was 

377
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:08,960
working with him said, hey, he 
did this at work. 

378
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,880
If we nebulized it and he said 
no, they did it anyway. 

379
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,800
They got no less than 100% 
improvement in lung function on 

380
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,680
these people with end stage 
emphysema. 

381
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,840
The average was 300% improvement
in lung function. 

382
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,800
Some of those people went back 
to smoking. 

383
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,320
It's like in the world, why 
would you do that? 

384
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,440
Yeah, but some of them went to 
get back to playing golf. 

385
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,080
I mean, they got their lives 
back and these were people that 

386
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,000
were living on oxygen. 
So, you know, and then just it's

387
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,920
like every time you talk to 
them, there's some other story. 

388
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,040
They had 30 some patients that 
went into remission with end 

389
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,360
stage cancers with Lymus is 
great. 

390
00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,800
Some of those things that works 
better with the Synergist so 

391
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:55,480
BCGSPL colostrum. 
So they had but just really 

392
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,640
fascinating cases and the, you 
know, first place they used it, 

393
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,560
he used it was for with calf 
syndrome, which was, I don't 

394
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,400
know if they ever did actually 
figure out what the causing of 

395
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,240
Organism was, but they they 
assume it's a virus or maybe a 

396
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,160
retrovirus. 
But these these cows would drop 

397
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,200
calves and they wouldn't get up.
They just died. 

398
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,760
So the, you know, producers are 
just in our panic. 

399
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,200
And I think I remember this when
I was in vet school this week, 

400
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,360
calf syndrome. 
And of course, I was long before

401
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:23,200
the Internet, so I hadn't been 
able to find anything on it. 

402
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,080
But one thing that they found 
when Doctor Ushujima did the 

403
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,200
necropsies on them was their 
thymus was shrunken down enough 

404
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,440
virtually they were, He said, 
where'd he put the thymus in 

405
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,720
cattle? 
He's Japanese. 

406
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,920
So sometimes some of the things 
he says are they, they sound 

407
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,960
kind of funny. 
I love it. 

408
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,400
So anyway, they, they didn't, 
they found virtually no thymus. 

409
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,960
And then, you know, they should 
be big in a, in a newborn. 

410
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,280
So he happened to read, you 
know, another one of those God 

411
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,680
things. 
He just just happened to read 

412
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,360
some research articles by a 
researcher, Dave Goldstein, who 

413
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,120
was doing work on thymus 
extract. 

414
00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:02,000
So they did a crude extract and 
they said well, just to give 

415
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,440
this much, inject this much, 
three, you know, 3 * 3 doses and

416
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,840
the producers are in a week or 
two, they're just smiling ear to

417
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,520
ear saying hey, doc, we got a 
problem. 

418
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,840
They're smiling. 
They were having to rope them to

419
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,680
give them a third dose. 
And these were cats that were 

420
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,480
dying. 
So, you know, that was pretty 

421
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,160
amazing. 
And then they did respiratory 

422
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,600
syncytial virus in pigs and 
stopped losses at a hog farm. 

423
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,480
And so, you know, then it got 
legs. 

424
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,240
The other MD's got very involved
in it. 

425
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,560
They did, they had a case of a 
young woman who had internal 

426
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,160
Scleroderma, which is a death 
sentence basically. 

427
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600
And they had said Scleroderma 
was one of the, the things they 

428
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,760
weren't going to treat because 
it was so resistant to any kind 

429
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,160
of treatment. 
Well, this happened to be the 

430
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,360
niece of one of the MD's that 
was working with him. 

431
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,760
So they gave her the, the thymus
extract and she went into 

432
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760
remission. 
So, and they tried to send that 

433
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,520
information to the, you know, 
the Scleroderma people. 

434
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,840
You know, there's all these 
societies that are always 

435
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,360
looking for money. 
Nobody was interested. 

436
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,200
We had, we had a couple of dogs 
with alopecia Eck, which is a, 

437
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,800
you know, genetic thing where 
they kind of end up looking like

438
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,800
a lion with no hair and 
exception weird Tufts on 

439
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,200
different parts of the body. 
And we had several of those that

440
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,320
grew coat back, completely grew 
their coats back. 

441
00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:20,640
And so I tried to contact the 
like the people that were, were 

442
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,240
the alopecia X people never 
heard back from them. 

443
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,160
So I know it's like, how much do
you really want to know? 

444
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,640
And how hard would it be to do a
short trial? 

445
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,120
There's a lot of alopecia X dogs
out there, so I had one in my 

446
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,480
practice. 
We treated 1, the caisson in 

447
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320
California that completely grew 
her coat. 

448
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,000
So, you know, we we had pretty 
yeah, had pretty good luck with 

449
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,720
it. 
So that was that was actually 

450
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,800
with algae. 
The first one that I treated was

451
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,560
algae and penta. 
So the you know and then the but

452
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,440
the dog in California only got 
penta but their network 

453
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,360
combination. 
Well, so, OK, I have to ask 

454
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:07,000
because it's obviously 
miraculous what it does, but one

455
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000
of the things that comes to mind
with any supplement that I'm 

456
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,040
looking at is how are we getting
it? 

457
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,360
Like, and I don't, I don't say 
that to be like we shouldn't be 

458
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,160
using it. 
But you know, you brought up 

459
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,840
colostrum, which I do use 
sometimes with, with some 

460
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,840
animals that I'm working with. 
But I know there are, you know, 

461
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,880
moral and ethical issues around 
it. 

462
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800
How do we get the thymus 
extract? 

463
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,120
And are there issues that that 
we need to be aware of? 

464
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,160
Well, the thymus extract can be 
actually you can use it from any

465
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
species. 
Basically thymus is thymus. 

466
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Most of it comes from the the 
slaughterhouses. 

467
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,640
So, you know, it'll be one of 
those things that be thrown away

468
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,280
or put into animal feed or 
whatever it it is. 

469
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,640
You know, the more sustainably 
you can resource it, the better.

470
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:09,160
I had a had a encounter with 
the, what was she naturopath, I 

471
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320
think, in Chicago a few years 
ago. 

472
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,480
And her mother was treated with 
thymus extract for an autoimmune

473
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,000
condition, if I recall 
correctly. 

474
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,680
And they were using rabbit 
thymus. 

475
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
I wrote they were, yeah, they 
were extracting that evidently 

476
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
probably from one of the bigger 
slaughterhouses. 

477
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,360
When I was lecturing in Lyon, 
Mexico, many years ago, there 

478
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,440
was a veterinarian who came up 
and told me after the after my 

479
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,080
presentation that they had 
treated AI think it was a tiger 

480
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,200
with a non healing wound, that 
it was just not responding to 

481
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160
anything. 
And they treated that, that big 

482
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,640
cat with crocodile thymus. 
Wow. 

483
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,920
So, so this is something that 
presumably the animal is 

484
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,840
slaughtered and then you 
harvest. 

485
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760
This is not OK, got it. 
All right. 

486
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,360
I don't know why that came that 
just like popped in my head. 

487
00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,840
I'm like I need to know the 
answer to. 

488
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160
That well, and it's a good 
question because you want to 

489
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
know that I mean that you're not
just killing something from for 

490
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,480
one thing. 
So no, it's it's just a you 

491
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760
know, it's like sweet breads are
thick or thymus. 

492
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,280
So, and the question also comes 
up often on the deer Amber and 

493
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,120
they and they, you know, they 
don't, they don't kill those 

494
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,760
deer. 
They do, they harvest them. 

495
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,040
Why they said they sedate them 
or anesthetize them. 

496
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,120
I'm not sure which, but they 
have done cortisol studies on 

497
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,800
those on those before and after.
And there's virtually no, you 

498
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560
know, they virtually have no 
changes in their stress 

499
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400
hormones. 
So and you know, they're, if you

500
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
don't harvest them, they injure 
each other to these are, you 

501
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
know, these are, are they are 
pastured animals. 

502
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,120
So and you know, you don't want 
to run a bunch of boys together 

503
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,720
and have them. 
That's the, you know, I just 

504
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,720
read something someone was 
asking about it can improve 

505
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240
clotting mechanisms. 
So then of course, the question 

506
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,120
is, is it a problem? 
Does it make them clot too much?

507
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,720
Which I don't, I've never seen 
that honestly to be an issue at 

508
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,920
all. 
But there's actually a study 

509
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,040
that was done that showed that 
that deer have a more robust 

510
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,160
clotting mechanism because when 
they fight, so they would bleed 

511
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,080
out if they got too much damage.
So it's actually, you know, I 

512
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,680
think it's a balancing. 
It's a it's another one of those

513
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240
things that's a balancing thing.
So I don't think there's so much

514
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,640
of it that it would interfere 
with like if you had a human on,

515
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,080
on anti clotting drugs, I would 
think that might keep them 

516
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
actually from turning into 
hemophiliacs. 

517
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600
There's so many people that just
bruise like crazy when they're 

518
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120
on, on those drugs. 
They need a balance to that. 

519
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520
And I don't I don't know that 
there's any study that's been 

520
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,080
done, you know, as far as you 
know not using it usual response

521
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,680
on the the conventional side is 
not to use anything that counter

522
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,000
counter effects what's being 
what is being given, even if 

523
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,880
what is the side effects of what
is being given are really 

524
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,880
relatively awful. 
So I think that that using 

525
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840
something like the antler that 
has that could probably rather 

526
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,920
nicely counterbalance the overt 
or the tendency to bleed too 

527
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
profusely. 
Interesting, interesting. 

528
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120
So I do want to talk about 
homeopathy, but before we do, I 

529
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,160
think sticking on this this 
supplement topic a little bit 

530
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,600
because there are we were just 
briefly chatting before I hit 

531
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,280
record. 
The supplement world is mind 

532
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,160
boggling. 
It is. 

533
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Overwhelming it is. 
And I have definitely had people

534
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560
on the podcast in the past 
where, you know, we've had this 

535
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,960
conversation about choosing 
supplementation and kind of how 

536
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,000
to figure out, you know, even 
even I still sometimes will fall

537
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040
for that. 
You know, shiny object syndrome 

538
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,640
marketing is boy, it can really,
really get to us. 

539
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,640
And I think that's why the 
supplement world is so confusing

540
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,520
for so many pet parents. 
So what are like when you are 

541
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
looking at supplements? 
You were, we were talking 

542
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,800
briefly, you have a lot of homie
hypotheses and also a good 

543
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320
amount of supplements that you 
know you have in your back 

544
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,800
pocket when you are looking at 
supplementing an animal, 

545
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,960
regardless of what issue we're 
talking about, like are there 

546
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,960
some defining factors where 
you're like definitely not 

547
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120
looking at that anymore or I 
think this has a possibility, 

548
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
this has a good possibility that
we could find. 

549
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Like what are some of your like 
qualifications for choosing a 

550
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,320
good supplement? 
OK, so the first thing I look at

551
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,840
is, is there a kind of a whole, 
a full plate that we can give 

552
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,320
the body so it can pick and 
choose what it wants? 

553
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240
So that's that's where I put 
stuff like the AFA algae, which 

554
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
is grows in a lake with a 35 
foot mineral base. 

555
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,440
It has all 20 amino acids, it 
has omega-3 fatty acids. 

556
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
It's got minerals, it's got 
vitamins. 

557
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000
It's, you know, so that a lot of
times you can give that as A and

558
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,760
it's actually a 
photobiomodulator. 

559
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,000
It's a photon emitter, which in 
cancer you've lost your light 

560
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
emission. 
Part of the cell to cell 

561
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,320
communication is light, which is
biophotons and frequency. 

562
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,120
They sing to one another. 
So if you lose that cell to cell

563
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,840
communication, you're you're one
step away from ending up with a 

564
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
cancer somewhere. 
So anything we can do to help 

565
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040
restore that is, is bound to be 
helpful. 

566
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,080
So it's an alkalizer, which, you
know, most of us run acidic to 

567
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,840
the to the high degree, just, 
you know, lifestyle and food and

568
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200
other threats. 
All those things probably 

569
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,560
contribute to body acidities. 
So I, you know, for, for most 

570
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,800
patients, I'm a big fan of 
that's a no harm strategy. 

571
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,640
We actually make 4 supplements 
in the clinic that are based on 

572
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080
that blue-green algae. 
Now we target them. 

573
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,040
One is more for allergy and 
general Wellness. 

574
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
We have one that's more for 
arthritis. 

575
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240
We have one that's more for 
immune. 

576
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880
And then we have the one that 
we've made recently with the 

577
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240
deer antler, which I can't, we 
don't produce enough of that, 

578
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,640
you know, to do commercially. 
But, but the AFA is kind of a 

579
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,080
defining factor in all of that 
because it's, I had, I have 

580
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600
notebooks, like 4 notebooks that
are two or three inches deep, 

581
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,720
one just on kids stuff, which is
actually one of the reasons I 

582
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,840
got started. 
That's the reason I got started 

583
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800
lecturing actually, was the, 
because of the drugging of 

584
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:38,000
children and, and the algae 
turned my ricochet rabbit child 

585
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,760
into completely normal in 10 
days. 

586
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,640
Now, he didn't stay that way 
unless he was on the algae for a

587
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,960
while. 
But you know, it was so apparent

588
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
that his kindergarten teacher 
could tell what he'd been 

589
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,560
offered for a couple of days. 
And my staff, he came, well, got

590
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,360
off the bus and came into clinic
and my Susan and Corey looked at

591
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
me and said, he's not taking his
algae. 

592
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920
It was like you could just see 
him. 

593
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,200
He was like this, this, and he 
turned out to be a great kid, 

594
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,240
But you know, when I was in vet 
school, they actually used 

595
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Ritalin to hop race horses. 
Literally, it was speed for 

596
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,960
resources. 
So that was not going in one of 

597
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,280
my kids. 
And I actually my first lectures

598
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,880
that I ever did was because of 
the children being drugged in 

599
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,440
large numbers. 
So that that's the bottom of the

600
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
food chain. 
My, my asthma kid was off of 

601
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,760
asthma drugs within six months 
and he was a critical asthmatic,

602
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,800
so that wasn't a small thing. 
So and my mother had diagnosed 

603
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,000
with breast cancer in 1996. 
I started taking giving her the 

604
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,600
algae months before that because
I knew she was, we knew she was 

605
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,000
sick. 
All my sisters and I got 

606
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,680
together something wrong with 
mom. 

607
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160
She's not herself at all now. 
She was coughing, she was 

608
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
tiring, she was sleeping more 
and that's not her. 

609
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720
She's a ball of fire. 
So that was 1996. 

610
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400
We saw her on the algae in May 
of 96. 

611
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,920
She was diagnosed in September. 
She had mastectomy, she had no 

612
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,120
chemo, no radiation, and she 
just turned 96 last August, so 

613
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,560
still taking the algae and her 
hemoglobin went from 4:00 to 

614
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,239
10:00. 
So she hasn't been getting blood

615
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,800
transfusions for the last 40 
years either. 

616
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,120
So, you know, pernitomy is a 
full plate for the joints. 

617
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,800
It does other things like we 
talked about, you know, 

618
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,480
gastrointestinal and urinary 
tract and stuff, but it has, you

619
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,120
know, 9 glycosamine of glycans. 
So everything that is intended 

620
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,760
to make a joint is in that 
green, red muscle, but then to 

621
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,440
survive that big low and close. 
So that is a in that the, I 

622
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,120
don't know if you remember 
seeing the advertisements for 

623
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,320
like Omega XL and some of those 
they're, they're a green red 

624
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,800
muscle extract. 
They're of the, of that cost of,

625
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
well, maybe all of that fatty 
acids, I don't know if they 

626
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,719
fractionate them, but there's 
one of the novel fatty acids and

627
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,840
that's called my cost of 
tetranoic acid. 

628
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,600
ETA it is like 300 times more 
potent than salmon oil as an 

629
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,800
anti-inflammatory. 
So, so you have to be careful 

630
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
when you're looking at permanent
products because they're 

631
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,640
extracting that oil out of a lot
of it. 

632
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,560
So a lot of things have got the 
glycans and stuff, but they 

633
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,560
don't have the fatty acid, which
is the one of the 

634
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,200
anti-inflammatory components of 
that. 

635
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160
So, you know, if you see Perna 
on something, be somewhat 

636
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680
skeptical that it doesn't have 
that. 

637
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
It's not a full plate that the 
Omega threes are not in. 

638
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,960
So I'm a big, big, big fan of of
that as a whole food thing. 

639
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,720
And then things like colostrum 
tend to really be kind of a 

640
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,160
whole food if there's just a lot
of lot of factors for 

641
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,280
regeneration and colostrum. 
So and then went from there. 

642
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520
We kind of look at what I 
consider targeted nutritionals. 

643
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,560
If you have a liver problem, we 
may be looking at a silver and 

644
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,160
maybe looking at not silamrine. 
Yeah, silamrine, milk Thistle. 

645
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,120
And I tend to do the herbal, the
whole herbal rather than bits 

646
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,640
and pieces of things. 
I'm also a big fan of dimethyl 

647
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,840
glycine, which is, is a targeted
nutritional. 

648
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,400
It is not mostly probably does 
liver stuff, but there's a whole

649
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,760
book on DMG that's really, 
really fascinating. 

650
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
They've used it for neurological
stuff. 

651
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,920
So it, it's a metabolite, but 
most of the time when you think 

652
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,240
about it, you think about it for
liver stuff and it does a way, 

653
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,080
way, way more things like than 
that in the body. 

654
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,680
And it was actually the probably
the second supplement I ever 

655
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,080
used. 
The first one I ever used was 

656
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,840
choline loading in dogs for 
senility. 

657
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,520
And then we, I read that it 
helped with reducing the 

658
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960
frequency and severity of 
seizures in people. 

659
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,080
So we use a lot of it for 
seizure dogs as well. 

660
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Wow. 
Well, that was the that was the 

661
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
first one that I used. 
The second one, second one was 

662
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
the dimethyl glycine because I 
had a horse where my horses, the

663
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,160
horses had tying up syndrome and
that reduced lactic acid and 

664
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720
improves immune system. 
And it's really an amazing 

665
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,320
substance with my friend that 
had told me about it said, well,

666
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,440
they, you know, they've got this
product called Glycoflex. 

667
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
It's pretty good for arthritis. 
While I'm ordering, you know, 

668
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,800
you couldn't get them from 
distributors back then. 

669
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,000
So I ordered, I ordered from 
Vermont. 

670
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,840
You had to order direct at the 
time. 

671
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560
So I ordered some of them. 
All they had was Glycoflex 300 

672
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,320
milligram. 
That was it. 

673
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
And so that's what I ordered. 
And the dogs that couldn't get 

674
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,920
up that were, you know, the 
owners were threatening 

675
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
euthanasia because they just had
no quality of life were up and 

676
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,960
running. 
And it was like, my gosh, this 

677
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200
is this is great. 
I mean, these are dogs that have

678
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,240
already failed non steroidals. 
So that was the third one I ever

679
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,640
used. 
And then things just kept, I 

680
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,280
think the algae came in like 
1995. 

681
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Homotox was about 1995 because 
it was a dog that had an 

682
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600
osteosarcoma and they did not 
want to take the leg off her and

683
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
they didn't want to do chemo or 
radiation. 

684
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,000
And so I was scrambling. 
That was before Google Internet 

685
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,480
and so I was fishing through 
journals and all kinds of stuff 

686
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,880
and I finally got a copy of the 
Orange Book that a friend of 

687
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,440
mine had given me and I knew 
about Toronto Meal. 

688
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360
That was the only complex 
homeopathic I knew about. 

689
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,240
And I called him up and I said I
have an Osteosarp dog, what do 

690
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,040
you have? 
And they sent me like 1/2 a 

691
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
dozen thing. 
That dog lived a year and a half

692
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,080
and was running and playing and 
compressed the bone. 

693
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,520
That tumor actually shrunk. 
So that got me hooked on 

694
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,320
Homotox. 
But as you know, as far as the 

695
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,760
other supplements, so there's so
many of them that are targeted 

696
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
for so many things. 
Alpha lipoic acid can help with 

697
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,040
liver failure. 
I mean, abject liver failure. 

698
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Some really funny stories about 
alpha lipoic acid out there yet.

699
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,720
Look up Bert Berkson and his 
adventure with alpha lipoic 

700
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,280
acid. 
Nearly got thrown out of 

701
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,640
bedspool because of alpha lipoic
acid, but he saved some saved 

702
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,600
some liver failures with in the 
midst of all of that. 

703
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,000
And those are really very 
targeted nutritionals and acetyl

704
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440
cysteine. 
And there's an endless array of 

705
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,400
them. 
You can walk into any, any 

706
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,480
store, any herbal store and 
there's a bazillion of them and 

707
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,040
they're all slightly different. 
And, and so it is the, the 

708
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,800
difficulty is coming up with the
right combination or the right, 

709
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,960
you know, the starting point on 
those. 

710
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,000
We have a quest unit, which is a
bio energetic screening. 

711
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000
And that that actually gives us 
some kind of numeric idea of 

712
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,520
besides what comes out on the 
print out or like what things 

713
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,000
we're looking at, what, what is 
what's not vibrating correctly. 

714
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320
That will make us look on our 
own for some things that we 

715
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,760
already know about. 
Because not everything in the 

716
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,240
world is programmed into that. 
But often it will give us 

717
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,200
something that's that somebody 
has put the data in, it's 

718
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,800
programmed in, and it'll pull it
up. 

719
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,760
And then we check to see which 
are the most critical for that 

720
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,160
patient at that point in time. 
So you've brought up a couple of

721
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,160
times different homeopathy and 
there seems one of my first 

722
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
questions is you're saying is 
that you said complex 

723
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,520
homeopathy, right. 
So there's the classical, and 

724
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,760
then there's complex. 
Yeah, or, or, or compounded or 

725
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,800
so classic homeopathy was 
developed by Samuel Hahnemann 

726
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000
and it is a very exacting 
science for for a lot of 

727
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,200
patients and a lot of, you know,
homeopaths, their intake is 

728
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,760
sometimes an hour, hour and a 
half, which you know, most 

729
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,440
people in general practice can't
do. 

730
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,720
Like, you know, I, I do block an
hour like for atopy dogs and 

731
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,080
stuff. 
But to come up with the the 

732
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,240
single. 
Homeopathic at the correct 

733
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,280
dilution is not is a very, very 
challenging very, very 

734
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,080
challenging to do and Reckowig 
in the early nights. 

735
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,080
His father was cured of a 
incurable renal disease, kidney 

736
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
disease with use of 
homeopathics. 

737
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,920
And so when he went to Med 
school, he said he was going to 

738
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,200
meld the disciplines of 
homeopathy and Western medicine 

739
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,880
and he set out to do that. 
But what you find in that is 

740
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,800
that like if you, if you look at
single dose, single remedy 

741
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,160
homeopathy, that picture changes
like sometimes within minutes 

742
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,240
and then it's asking for a 
different remedy. 

743
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,760
So the reality of that in 
practice is not that easy to do.

744
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,360
So what he started doing was 
putting together symptom 

745
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
pictures or symptom 
progressions. 

746
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,120
So if you get the flu, you've 
got aches, fever, chills, 

747
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,200
sweats, appetite loss, you know,
whatever that, that you, 

748
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,920
whatever you're rolling through 
those. 

749
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,600
And he put them together, he 
complexed them. 

750
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,320
And some of the things are 
he'll, they're called a 

751
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,480
homicort. 
They'll have three different 

752
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,080
dilutions of something in it. 
And it's because the body, the 

753
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,320
body's a tuning fork. 
So every cell, every organ, 

754
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,800
every tissue has its own 
resonant frequency. 

755
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,040
And if you put in the frequency 
that it wants, it will tune 

756
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,560
itself to that frequency that 
it's that like a tuning fork in 

757
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,880
the front of the room. 
If the one in the back of the 

758
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,560
room is a resonant type, it will
strike you strike the one in the

759
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,360
front, the bat one in the back 
will also start singing. 

760
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:12,400
So we're, so we are, we are a 
series of we're a sometimes a 

761
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
cacophony, but we're, we're an 
orchestra of resonant 

762
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,520
frequencies. 
So he started putting orchestras

763
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,560
together to to give to simplify 
the, the treatment. 

764
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,040
So something like Tromyel has 
something for the heat, pain, 

765
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,600
redness, swelling, edema, 
whatever the, you know, that 

766
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
whole complex of things that 
happens like if you sprain an 

767
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,280
ankle and it's it's nearly 
miraculous. 

768
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,040
We had kids that would like 
sprain an ankle on a baseball 

769
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,960
diamond with a, you know, ankle 
this big around and they were 

770
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,320
back playing in a week. 
So you get it on, get it on 

771
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
right away. 
There's, you know, that swelling

772
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,520
goes down really rapidly and 
they, they are, you know, back 

773
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,960
on the court or the field or 
whatever in very, very short 

774
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,040
order. 
So, you know, with the, with the

775
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,960
single remedy homeopathy, you 
know, you're having to hit every

776
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:17,560
successive set of sentence. 
So, and, and it's a, it is a 

777
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,520
really, it's amazing. 
It's a whole system of medicine.

778
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520
The nice thing about it is for 
those of us that, you know, 

779
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,040
learned Western medicine, I'm a 
very Cartesian, I can't keep yin

780
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,040
and Yang straight. 
I'd love to do Chinese medicine,

781
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,440
but I can't keep yin and Yang 
straight. 

782
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,840
So you can, you can take what 
you learned in, in that school 

783
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,800
or Med school or whatever, and 
you can look it up in a word 

784
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,880
search and you can find the 
things that have those things in

785
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,200
it and see which one fits the 
best. 

786
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,520
So that's called homotoxicology 
or nanopharmacology. 

787
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
They're all nanopharmacology. 
Any kind, anything that's a 

788
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160
delusional dilutedness, a cost 
is a nanopharmacology. 

789
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,800
It's kind of funny because nano 
medicine, nano anything has 

790
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,440
become less of a taboo, kind of 
a woo woo kind of a thing 

791
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,400
anymore because we're, you know,
now the word Nanos in our in our

792
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,320
vernacular. 
So, so we use, you know, and 

793
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,560
have they've got some amazing 
stuff for heart issues and 

794
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,840
kidney issues, liver issues, and
there's good data out there. 

795
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,440
In fact, one of the I think 
there's only probably a few 

796
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,040
substances or few things that 
have all four levels of evidence

797
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,200
called the mosaic of evidence. 
And Tromil is one of them and 

798
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Vertigo heels another where they
know the basic research, like 

799
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,280
the mechanisms of action. 
They put them in real world 

800
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,360
trials. 
They've done meta analysis on 

801
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,920
them. 
So there's, there's, you know, 

802
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,480
all of those bits of evidence, 
every, every type of evidence is

803
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,080
in though it has been done on 
those on those two that we know 

804
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,040
of. 
Zeal may be in there too at this

805
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,200
point in time, but not very many
things in conventional medicine 

806
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,760
can actually boast that. 
In fact, I'm not sure I can come

807
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,360
up with any right offhand. 
And I will say that if in the 

808
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,840
conventional medicine field, the
British Medical Journal, I think

809
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,200
it was a British Medical 
Journal, BMJ, it's been a while.

810
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,880
It's been a while ago, decade or
more ago actually did a study 

811
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,080
where they looked at the safety 
and efficacy studies. 

812
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Only 13% at that point in time 
of conventional therapeutics, 

813
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,320
drugs, interventions, whatever, 
only 13% had true safety and 

814
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,080
efficacy studies. 
Where they were they were proven

815
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,680
to be safe and useful. 
Like more than 50% was unknown. 

816
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
They had no idea. 
I don't think that's gotten any 

817
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,520
better. 
No, I mean why would I mean 

818
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,960
especially ones that don't even 
have liability. 

819
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,760
Yeah, I wouldn't get to mention 
that, but if recent history 

820
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,520
tells us anything, yeah. 
For sure. 

821
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,640
Gosh, I feel like I feel like I 
could just like ask you 

822
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
questions for hours and hours 
and hours, and I think that 

823
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,240
actually would lead me to my 
next question for you, and I 

824
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,400
hope this doesn't catch you too 
off guard. 

825
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,320
It sounds like you you have some
plans coming up. 

826
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,480
You were talking about a book 
on, on thymus extract, but one 

827
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:32,080
of the the themes that I got 
from the conversations that I 

828
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,440
was fortunate enough to be 
involved in at the AHVMA 

829
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:43,880
conference in 23 was that a lot 
of the truly holistic we coined,

830
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,160
we coined a new term on this 
podcast not too long ago called 

831
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,120
tholistic for those who are 
tholistic. 

832
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,800
Like FAUX. 
Like faux. 

833
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,560
OK, that doesn't sound very 
nice. 

834
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
It well, it actually wasn't me 
that came up with it. 

835
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,720
It was another woman that I 
know. 

836
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:08,000
But we just have come across so 
many allopathic veterinarians 

837
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,120
who learn acupuncture and then 
call themselves holistic, but 

838
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,520
then they put you on a 
prescription kettle or, you 

839
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,240
know, they're still doing the 
jabs every year and the you know

840
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,920
what? 
It's so we're like, OK, they're 

841
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,760
they're, they're pholistic. 
That's well, you know, that's 

842
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,400
probably that's probably more 
people who learn the medical 

843
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,240
acupuncture rather than Chinese 
medicine because you know that 

844
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,720
it, that's more, I don't know, 
Cartesian, like put a put a pin 

845
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,280
in it. 
You know, this one does this and

846
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200
that one does that. 
They're not looking necessarily 

847
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,360
at the whole of the body like 
the like Chinese practitioners 

848
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,880
do. 
The thing is that a lot of those

849
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,200
will eventually always laughed 
at. 

850
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080
You know, people ask me how I 
got into alternative medicine 

851
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,080
and it's like my failures, you 
know, the things that I couldn't

852
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,320
fix that that kept coming back 
or that there were no 

853
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,760
conventional answers for. 
And there's a lot of those, you 

854
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,680
know, it's just like, let's 
leave you a steroid and you can 

855
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,760
go back. 
We'll see how long you last. 

856
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,000
So that that's never set set 
very well with me. 

857
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,400
You know, most of the people or 
a lot of people that get, really

858
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,560
get into integrative medicine, 
it's because of the things that 

859
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,880
for which they had no 
conventional answers. 

860
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,040
And I think a lot of people, you
know, you get your foot in the 

861
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,400
door and you know, and a lot of 
those people that you know, a 

862
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,040
lot of it's kind of funny 
because when I've lectured 

863
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,840
mostly at like NABCBMX, we would
when we, when I first started 

864
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,280
lecturing there, it's like 
people look at you like you were

865
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,120
like out of your mind when 
you're an integrative 

866
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,480
practitioner. 
But then as, as time went on 

867
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,360
there, there would be people 
sitting at the table thinking, 

868
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,280
saying, yeah, you know, we're 
thinking about bringing on a 

869
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,000
chiropractor or an acupuncturist
or because they clearly see that

870
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,880
their clients are looking for 
that. 

871
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,360
And there's so much more data 
available anymore. 

872
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,080
So I think that if somebody, 
even if somebody gets into it as

873
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,480
a medical acupuncturist, they 
will often, you know, in the 

874
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,640
process of getting continuing 
education or, and their clients,

875
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,200
I'm going to tell you, my 
clients often bring me really 

876
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,320
interesting things and I will 
look at them. 

877
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,880
You know, I may or may not end 
up incorporating them, but I 

878
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
will look at them because 
they're, you know, we don't. 

879
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,040
And it's a big world out there 
and we do not know. 

880
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,560
There's no end to what I'm 
learning every day. 

881
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,680
You know, my hard drive is full.
I don't have room for anything 

882
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,720
else out there. 
So I have, I have a staff person

883
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,120
who's not my external hard 
drive. 

884
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,360
I just let her absorb all the 
new stuff. 

885
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,080
I have to say. 
Taylor. 

886
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Taylor, do you remember? 
Well, so yes, I, I do hope that 

887
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,680
it is getting the ball rolling 
for, for a lot, if not most or 

888
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,600
all of them. 
So, but a lot of the 

889
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,720
conversations that I did get a 
chance to hear were that many of

890
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,040
the holistic veterinarians at 
least that were at the 

891
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,080
conference that year are getting
to the point where they're 

892
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:17,920
thinking about retirement and 
and so that your knowledge, 

893
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
their knowledge needs to be 
passed. 

894
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Along. 
Especially for these people who 

895
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,160
are just, you know, these 
veterinarians who are like, OK, 

896
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,200
let me bring in accurate like 
they, they, this information 

897
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,880
needs to be available to them at
some point down the road when 

898
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,000
they are ready for it. 
So that's kind of where my mind 

899
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,760
was going with this. 
Next part is like, how do you 

900
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,640
see that developing? 
Do you, how do you see yourself 

901
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,680
putting your brain, your hard 
drive somewhere for future 

902
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,120
veterinarians to to have this 
information? 

903
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,120
That is really a difficult 
question. 

904
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,840
And I have seen some of my 
colleagues that, you know, about

905
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,880
the same age as me that, you 
know, couldn't sell their 

906
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,960
practices and just walked away. 
And it's like all of that, all 

907
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,720
of that information just is, you
know, left with them. 

908
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
You know, that when they when 
they walked away from their 

909
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,120
practice, there was no one, 
there was no legacy to leave. 

910
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,280
You know, they had a legacy, but
they took it with them. 

911
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:20,600
And that is that's concerning to
me because there is so much, 

912
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,240
there is so much information 
that needs to be passed to the 

913
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,360
next generation. 
And, you know, one time at the 

914
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,800
AHEMA, we had talked about doing
like a mentor program, but you 

915
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,720
know, that's kind of hard to do 
long distance. 

916
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,680
And I've actually had one or two
veterinarians that would just 

917
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,960
come and spend a couple of days 
with me and we would, you know, 

918
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,200
do like cases that came in. 
And I love, you know, I love the

919
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,480
the hands on part of that. 
But, and I don't know, but I 

920
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,840
don't have the answer for that. 
I'm actually giving the keynote 

921
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,800
for the 40th anniversary at a 
HDMA this year. 

922
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,360
And that's one of the things I'm
going to bring out is what do we

923
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,280
do for this next generation? 
Because a lot of us are aging 

924
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
out. 
You know, you're not all going 

925
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,240
to be Doctor Tucker still 
practicing in his 90s. 

926
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,960
You know, I, I don't know how 
long I'm going to go, but I have

927
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,720
a blood analyzer to pay for now.
So when people come in and say 

928
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:10,920
you're not retiring, are you 
USA? 

929
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Well, not to only pay for that 
blood analyzer, you know, we do 

930
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,680
have to use conventional 
medicine sometimes I've got to 

931
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,640
pay for a blood analyzer. 
So I, you know, that is a, that,

932
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,360
that is a big worry for me. 
And I have a colleague that's, 

933
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:32,640
that is, has been putting 
together like a series of, you 

934
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,000
know, lectures and stuff for 
veterinarians to, to kind of 

935
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,200
broaden their, their, their 
knowledge. 

936
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,800
I can only homotox. 
You can, you know, teach basics 

937
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,760
in a, in a conference, but but 
you can't really teach them 

938
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,280
techniques. 
It's kind of like the thymus 

939
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,320
extract. 
You know, there's so many ways 

940
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,160
to use it, but it has to be 
presented to people like this is

941
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,080
how you do it. 
But one-on-one takes, you know, 

942
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,280
that just takes up infinite 
amounts of time and then it's 

943
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360
not repeatable. 
So, you know, I actually did an 

944
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
autologous blood therapy, just a
little tutorial on it at one 

945
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,000
point in time when we were 
trying to get veterinarians to 

946
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,360
do like autologous blood therapy
for, for allergy dogs and stuff.

947
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,840
It was like they just can't 
process the idea of it, even 

948
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,840
though it is body specific 
immunotherapy. 

949
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,400
So you know, it's it's immune, 
it's immune modulation using the

950
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,560
blood as a reference point. 
Wow. 

951
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,720
So. 
Well, I can't say that I have 

952
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,520
suggestions, but it is on my 
mind. 

953
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Well, you know, it's been online
too. 

954
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,280
It, it really has because I hate
for, you know, all of the, you 

955
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,840
know, 30 or 40 years of, of work
that I've been doing the, the 

956
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,280
knowledge I've been accumulating
and I'm a librarian. 

957
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Basically. 
That's what, that's what my 

958
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,520
friend Rick Palmquist calls me. 
I'm not sure if that was 

959
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,040
supposed to be a Councilman or 
not, but he calls me the 

960
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,520
librarian. 
So I archive everything and I so

961
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,760
I have a ton of data, but I 
don't know how anybody would be 

962
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,040
able to utilize that unless it 
was kind of like the large 

963
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,240
language models collated into 
something that somebody can 

964
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,520
actually use. 
Yeah. 

965
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,880
So I'm hoping that that, you 
know, I'm not, I'm not really a 

966
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,320
big AI fan, but I'm hoping that 
that will be one gift to 

967
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,400
humanity that and actually that 
Enoch model, everybody should 

968
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,320
probably look into that because 
he has put into that. 

969
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,400
It's not available yet. 
I think it will be in March or 

970
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,880
April or something like that. 
He has put like Joseph Mercola's

971
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,400
stuff in there, green Med info, 
the health Ranger, and it's all 

972
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,280
going to be free anybody and 
regenerative farming. 

973
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,040
And yeah, so it was it was 
called Neo, but I think this one

974
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,360
is called Enoch. 
I've lost books of the Bible. 

975
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Yeah, I do find AI to be 
terrible, terrifying and 

976
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,920
fascinating at the same time. 
Same time yeah it could be used 

977
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,600
for good or evil like anything, 
but I'm hoping that that will be

978
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,520
that will be something good that
comes out of it is the ability 

979
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,280
to access massive amounts of 
data because you know those 

980
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,560
rabbit holes take a long time to
go down and then try it's like 

981
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,160
that 34 gigabytes or so that 
I've got just nothing but 

982
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Dynamos extract the can't can't 
collate that can't I can't put 

983
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,240
all of that into a format that's
where all that data is rational 

984
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,280
and reasonable and readable 
where I think in a language 

985
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,440
model probably could do that and
it needs to be done because 

986
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,160
that's that is one of the most 
valuable therapeutics out there 

987
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,200
It's kind of like all these 
peptides. 

988
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
You know the that's been one of 
the big buzz things. 

989
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,800
The thymus is peptides was one 
of the original ones. 

990
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Those are peptides. 
Yeah, and you know, Neuralink I 

991
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,800
think scares me even more having
access to to your body that way.

992
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,120
But I. 
Maybe if maybe if I was pairwise

993
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,800
and would want help walking, but
I don't want an implant in my 

994
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,000
brain with anybody else to 
access. 

995
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,240
Whatever's in there can just 
stay as scrambled as it is right

996
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,560
now. 
I don't want an implant. 

997
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,080
No, I well, what I was thinking 
was like to gather that 

998
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,400
information out of your brain. 
Yeah, Do they, the Vulcan mind 

999
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840
meld, That's what I need is the 
Vulcan mind. 

1000
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,040
You remember the Star Trek? 
Star Trek. 

1001
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,320
Yeah, Yeah, Mr. Spock, that's 
what I need is somebody that I 

1002
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,120
can just transfer that into 
their brain so they don't have 

1003
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:34,840
to. 
So they don't. 

1004
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,720
That which is actually why I 
started teaching was because you

1005
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,960
know that that knowledge is to 
be shared. 

1006
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,120
It's, you know, you don't hide 
it away under ask it somewhere. 

1007
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,760
You share it so that the next 
people don't. 

1008
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,800
You don't have to repeat all the
work that that you did to get to

1009
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,920
where you are. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,880
I'm absolutely hoping that that 
will, you know that will 

1011
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,120
eventually I have started, I 
have started doing some work 

1012
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,160
with Marlene on her on her 
lecture series. 

1013
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,320
I'm a little kind of behind on 
that project, but it's not 

1014
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,960
because I don't have anything 
else to do. 

1015
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,480
I've only got 7 grandkids and. 
Yeah, she is a go getter. 

1016
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,080
All right. 
Well, I cannot tell you how much

1017
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320
I appreciate your time. 
This was a while in the making 

1018
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,680
and I am just so appreciative of
you freely sharing your 

1019
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,160
knowledge, information, and 
maybe I'll take you up on coming

1020
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,240
and shadowing you one day. 
Yeah, more than happy to have 

1021
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,080
you. 
Oh my goodness. 

1022
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Well, thank you again so much as
if I know you have your practice

1023
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,600
in Arkansas and you have someone
else who who helps you with your

1024
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Facebook. 
But if anybody is interested I 

1025
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,760
know you have a website where 
you do. 

1026
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,480
Have you mentioned the like 7 
hours of video? 

1027
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,360
On that's on there under the 
thymus tab. 

1028
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,880
So all those all of those are in
that under the in that drop 

1029
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,080
down. 
There's a little bit of 

1030
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,040
information on ozone. 
So I don't know. 

1031
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,360
I don't know. 
I didn't build it. 

1032
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,520
I don't even know it's on there.
Yeah, start there. 

1033
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,040
And then some of the interviews 
that I've done are actually 

1034
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,800
posted there as well. 
The, the interview that I did 

1035
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,320
with Ty Bollinger for The Truth 
About Pet Cancer, that whole 

1036
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,280
interview, that whole interview 
is on that is on my website, so.

1037
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Awesome. 
And that is DRP, jb.com, 

1038
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,440
correct? 
Correct. 

1039
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Perfect, that will also be in 
the show notes. 

1040
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,160
Again, thank you so very much 
Doctor Broadfoot. 

1041
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,760
It was so wonderful having you. 
I appreciate you and just want 

1042
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,920
to tell everybody out there. 
Thank you for for listening and 

1043
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,240
I hope you give some extra love 
to your pets from me and Doctor 

1044
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,600
V today. 
Good night everybody.