1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,080 OK, I didn't even have to try that hard. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Welcome back back to the weekly Cut roundup. 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:07,680 I said what you said. This is your. 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,080 This is your. Yeah, you're doing great. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,440 Welcome back to the week we've had Roundup. 6 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:17,960 I'm Jessica with the pet parenting reset. 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,400 This is Isabel with covered in pet hair. 8 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,880 She's amazing, She's wonderful. And we are continuing our 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,200 conversation this week on creative pet care tips. 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:33,280 And if I remember correctly, last week we used AI to help us 11 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,240 figure out some creative ways to save some money but also 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:38,720 continue to take care of our pets. 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,000 So this week we are kind of rolling that into veterinary 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,200 care. Yes. 15 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:48,920 So how we save money, when we've been talking, it's kind of been 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,240 like, I mean, we're like financial analysts now. 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,600 We are. Yeah, we've been talking about, 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:01,080 we've been talking about the economy on the pet, the weekly 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,000 pet Roundup for three weeks now. This is our third week in a row 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,520 that we talked about the economy, and we all know, you 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,160 know, that there are a lot of reasons why right now people are 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,240 concerned about the economy. I was just invited to speak by 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,160 an organization in the pet world about, you know, business owners 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:25,240 in the pet world having concerns about costs going up and people 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,120 not booking and things like that. 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,680 So it's not just here at the, you know, in the weekly pet 27 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,720 roundup that people are concerned about money. 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,920 Everybody's concerned about money right now for many, many 29 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,440 reasons. I will apologize in advance if 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,160 my Internet is not great. Today we are having a dust storm 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,720 so. Another dust storm. 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,680 Yeah. So this has been the, I've been 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:51,120 in El Paso for eight weeks this year, 88 years this week, eight 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,600 years this week, it feels like 8 weeks, but it's been 8 years and 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:01,680 this week feels like 8 years. But I have never seen the number 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,720 of dust storms that we're having like in. 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,360 I think that when we moved here in May, we had just missed like 38 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,720 a bad dust storm season and we have not had one since. 39 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,440 So this is the first one in those eight years that I've 40 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,480 seen. And dust storms suck. 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,680 It's just wind and dust everywhere. 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,760 The air quality is bad to breathe. 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,200 There's literal dust everywhere. You can't wear sandals without 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,880 having to come home and, like, clean your feet immediately. 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,720 You feel like you're covered in dust. 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,760 My kids smell like dust when they come home. 47 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,160 Yeah. It's like we still have to stay 48 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,400 inside even though it's a gorgeous day otherwise. 49 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,160 Like we have to stay inside because it's so dusty. 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,040 And it's like you can't really even see the mountains. 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,400 Like I have a view of a mountain of the Franklin Mountains from 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,320 my house. They're right there. 53 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,760 Like they're not far. I have an entrance to a hiking 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,200 trail across the street from my house and you can't see them. 55 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,400 You can't see the mountains because it's so dusty. 56 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,120 And it's like, I think it's combined with like the the 57 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,040 drought in California and in Mexico with all of that dust. 58 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,720 When the wind comes, we always have wind, but now we have wind 59 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,320 and dust. So anyway, so if my Internet is 60 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,800 spotty, that is probably why. I also want to say that, yeah, 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 we are going to focus on veterinary care. 62 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,760 And like one of the things that we always talk about is just 63 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,720 kind of making sure that you actually need to go to the vet 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,720 before going to spend that money. 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:34,480 So that is obviously understood like trying to monitor your pet 66 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,880 at home, journaling about whatever issues you're observing 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,160 before going to the vet so that you're not going in and out of 68 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,800 the vet paying for tests. You can actually go with some 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,640 information. And that obviously only applies 70 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,960 when it's a non-emergency. If it's an emergency, I'm so 71 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,440 sorry you have to go to the vet immediately. 72 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,880 But when your dog is, you're noticing something like my dog 73 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,880 has reflux and you know, sometimes she goes for weeks 74 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,360 with nothing. And then we start noticing it 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,360 again and kind of start thinking about what is happening. 76 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Have we changed any food? Is there something different is 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,760 in the in the environment, like what's going on? 78 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:14,600 And so before I run to the vet, I try to observe, take a beat, 79 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,040 try, you know, some kind of home remedy, maybe fasting if it's an 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,240 upset stomach, something like that. 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:27,000 And then I go the vet and I know you do the same thing. 82 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,920 You do a lot of home stuff. And so today's focus is going to 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,360 be on when you know you've done whatever you can at home and 84 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,000 you're looking to save money when you know you have to go to 85 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,640 the vet. So this isn't about like home 86 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,360 remedies. This is about the options that 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,920 exist right now and what happens when you're faced with like a 88 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,920 big bill that you are thinking of not taking your pet to the 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,960 vet only because you can't cover that bill. 90 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,840 Because, I mean, we want to make sure that anybody who wants 91 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,520 veterinary care for their pet, who needs it, knows where to 92 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,720 find it. So we may not have every answer 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,400 for every jurisdiction, every city, every state, but at least 94 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,640 we'll get the conversation started and maybe give you some 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,160 ideas. Yeah. 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Yeah. Well, and I think just to kind 97 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:22,520 of really reiterate some of the things you said is that one of 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:28,680 the things I noticed is it, I mean, so many people that I 99 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,920 talked to, they're going to the vet for things that I would 100 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,920 never tell them to go to the vet for. 101 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,880 And then people are not wanting to go to the vet for things. 102 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,680 It's like, Oh my gosh, get to the vet now. 103 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,840 Right. Like there's this disconnect 104 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,880 with what should we go to the vet for and what shouldn't we go 105 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,920 to the vet for? And I, I think these are 106 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,680 generally two different people. Yes, generally, not all the 107 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,360 time, but they're definitely. Yeah. 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,920 Like, if your dog is generally healthy and they get diarrhea 109 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,080 for a day or two, that is not cause to go to the vet unless 110 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040 we're talking about like, a newborn puppy or something. 111 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,000 Like, yeah, that's serious. But a generally healthy adult 112 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,760 dog or even cat like you, you get an upset stomach sometimes 113 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,520 too and you don't rush to the doctor. 114 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,680 So there are definitely things that we don't need to rush to 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,320 the vet for. And then there are things that 116 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,320 we do need to rush to the vet for. 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,760 And just knowing the difference. And I know we previously talked 118 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,080 about just because we are bringing up the whole like, if 119 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,800 it's an emergency, you, you have to go. 120 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,000 I'm sorry, you have to go. And one of the things I know 121 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,720 we've talked about before, because I had Jonathan Weinberg 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:51,760 on my podcast from Care Credit, is that there are there are 123 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,160 things out there that you can rely on. 124 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,760 And I know you've talked in the past about there are, you know, 125 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,560 services that help people to get their pets medical attention 126 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,800 when they don't have the funds for it. 127 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,880 And I think, you know, care credit, yes, you're, you're 128 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,280 going to have to pay that back, But that's kind of in that world 129 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,640 as well. Because a lot of times honestly, 130 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,800 like in the, I probably had my care credit card and this is not 131 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,080 an advertisement for them by any means, But like, I'm not making 132 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,640 any money on off of, off of talking to you about this. 133 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,160 I think I've had mine for like maybe 10 years. 134 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:33,560 And I don't think I have ever charged on that card where there 135 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,640 wasn't something, some, some like promotion going on where 136 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,200 it's like 0% interest for six months or 12 months or what I 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,080 said. Like I, that's how I, I use it. 138 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,040 I use it as interest free money for like I put all of my vet 139 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,000 related expenses on it period, hands down, because they always 140 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,440 have a promotion going on. And then I take the six months 141 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,240 to pay it because why am I going to pay the veterinarian $400.00 142 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,840 upfront out of my bank account versus paying care credit $100 a 143 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,760 month? And I'm not paying any interest 144 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,520 on that, right? Like it's just, it makes 145 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,680 economic sense for sure to to do that. 146 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,480 So long as, yeah, so long as you're responsibly paying it 147 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,040 back, which I think that's where people get caught up is that 148 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,560 they forget that they have to pay it. 149 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,080 And it's not like you get 6 months without any payments. 150 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,320 You still have to make payments. It's just not accruing interest. 151 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:30,920 And yeah, I love, you know, a 0 by a zero interest deal or 152 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,000 offer. I love them. 153 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,320 I think they're, I think they're so helpful. 154 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,480 And I actually, I have a client who has a professional pet 155 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,919 sitting business, dog walking, pet sitting dog training. 156 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,280 And they take care credit. So it's not just for, it's not 157 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,800 just if you have, if you have a pet care provider that doesn't 158 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,960 accept it, talk to them about potentially adding it because my 159 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,360 client did just add it this year. 160 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,720 And I thought it was so smart. Like, yeah, like you have, you 161 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,560 know, like you heaven forbid you have a surgery where you can't 162 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,840 walk your dog and you need dog walking services like falling 163 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,360 back on care credit for that would be so helpful while you 164 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,000 recover. Or heaven forbid, you know, your 165 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 your parent is sick. Or, you know, I think about all 166 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 the people that used to hire us as dog walkers. 167 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,600 I had family who, who, who the 25 year old owner of the dogs 168 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,200 got cancer, leukemia and had to go to like Washington state. 169 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,680 And thinking about them a lot recently, weirdly, but they had 170 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:32,440 to go to Washington State for like a, an experimental 171 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,160 treatment kind of thing. And so they had to hire us. 172 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,840 And like, they were pretty wealthy. 173 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,240 They lived in a beautiful huge house, whatever. 174 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,880 But like, I'm thinking about like a family who's already 175 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:47,560 paying for some kind of cancer treatment or a surgery, a huge 176 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:49,640 deductible. You've had an accident and are 177 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:55,200 in the hospital and like you're kind of desperate and you have 178 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,040 this care credit card that you can just call somebody to be 179 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,040 like, just charged my card and go walk my dog or yeah, 180 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,840 whatever. You know, it's, it's, it's, it 181 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,960 is something to have like I don't have a care credit card. 182 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,880 And like, we're about to have to go back to the vet now with 183 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,720 Kira's teeth. And like when you do teeth and 184 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,200 she's 14, so we have to do all the blood work and stuff. 185 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,360 We are vet kind of thought maybe we could like avoid it like 186 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,800 where her teeth weren't so bad, but we're noticing that they are 187 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,080 really red now all of a sudden or just because I was not there 188 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,560 when the vet was visited so things were missed. 189 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,640 So like we're going to go back and I'm like, why would I like 190 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,600 you said, take money out of my bank account to pay for this 191 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,200 when I could potentially get a deal on something and pay for it 192 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,800 slowly. It's almost like the firm 193 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,760 payments you do online and like those kinds of things that are 194 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,000 really helpful. Like sometimes you need 195 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,160 something today and it's not in your budget, right? 196 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Like it's just not in the budget for the month and you're like, 197 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,600 OK, but instead of the $200, I can pay $50 three like 4 times 198 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,480 and that'll be helpful. So I do, I love that we're 199 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,520 starting with care credit because if you have decent or 200 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:07,920 good credit, it should be something that as a pet parent, 201 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,600 maybe you just have, maybe you just have. 202 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,440 And again, this is not sponsored at all. 203 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,040 None of the stuff that we talked about is sponsored. 204 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,120 This this show has never been sponsored once. 205 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,280 But we can definitely change that for the right. 206 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,520 Change that we can, definitely. Change that for the right 207 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,080 product. Yeah, and I have to say, like I 208 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:35,920 even remember when I recorded with him, like I said, this is 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,560 I'm not here trying to sell you this product. 210 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:43,040 Like I'm not making money off of this, but I legitimately am 211 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,600 thankful to have this product, even though it is a credit card, 212 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:53,640 which like you know, any I don't know financial, I don't know, 213 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,080 like they're always going to tell you they're. 214 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,200 Financial like us like yes, I tell you be careful, be very. 215 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,600 And you do have to be careful with credit cards. 216 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,440 But what I like I one of and this is one of the things I 217 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,800 learned from my my last husband racking them up. 218 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:18,000 Anyway, I have to laugh about it, right? 219 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 I just have to because that's that's what I have to do. 220 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,240 Is it like don't spend your money if you don't have to. 221 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,520 I'm going to spend somebody else's money and not pay 222 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,640 interest on it. Like, why would I not do that? 223 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,520 Yeah, why would I not do that? And right now, we're talking to 224 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,000 people who are struggling financially. 225 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,440 We're not talking to people who have half a million at the bank. 226 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,560 Like, I mean, I'm not worried about like, creative ways to 227 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,520 save money on pet care. They bought their dog for 10. 228 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,720 $1000 right? Like surprisingly, surprisingly, 229 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,200 I have found Kim is driving me nuts. 230 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:02,600 I'm sorry, guys, Surprisingly, I have found a lot of times those 231 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,880 are the people, yes, they're going to spend the money on 232 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,680 veterinary care in the world. They are not going to be 233 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:10,440 spending the money on the right food, not going to be spending 234 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,480 the money on the big rumor. Like, I don't know what this is, 235 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,040 and I'm sorry if you're listening to this and I'm 236 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,560 calling you out, but like, you're going to spend 10 grand, 237 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,080 yes. People are the the more they 238 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,160 mind their money like I, I feel like. 239 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,120 That's that's. Just kind of happens and when 240 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,240 they don't then you find like these like athletes and like 241 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,600 musicians that like blew everything in like a year, 242 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:35,600 right? You know what I mean? 243 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,920 So like there is, I mean, I remember working with 244 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,840 professionals in the DC area who had these amazing multi 245 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,280 $1,000,000 homes. I mean, there was one client of 246 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,240 mine that had a boxwood maze in the front of her house in the 247 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:55,680 middle of Fairfax County in a federal Manor house that was to 248 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,120 die for. And like, they had one dog and 249 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,440 like, I just would sleep over all the time. 250 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,000 And it was like, I would have paid them to stay there. 251 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,160 But I also had people who lived in like townhomes who were very 252 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,600 frugal and had like, you know, their, their amazing careers and 253 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,040 just lived in a small house and maybe spent the money on things 254 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,360 that mattered, like having a dog Walker every day. 255 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,200 So you never know. But like the person who's tuning 256 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 in to this topic is like, times are tough. 257 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,200 I want to have something. And like when times are tough, 258 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,960 having something like care credit, again, not sponsored is 259 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,080 helpful because it's something to fall back on. 260 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,720 You can have this open, this like line. 261 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,280 It's like a line of credit open without a balance just so that 262 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,720 you have it when you need it. My mom, you know, it's that that 263 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,400 is a funny thing is my mom's a banker and I don't think she'll 264 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,680 mind me sharing this. But when my parents got 265 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,560 divorced, my mom was making like $8 an hour. 266 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,240 She's a banker now, but at the time she was not. 267 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,320 I was a teenager and she had this car that she refinanced 268 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,440 like 3 times in order to make the payment. 269 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,280 So like was it a good financial decision? 270 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,640 No. Did she need a car? 271 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Yes right. So like it was that is one of 272 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,120 those things that like it's not about making the good financial 273 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,320 decision for the short term. It's surviving, it's helping 274 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,880 your pet. It's it's your pet ate something 275 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,280 and it needs to come out now, not when you save the money, 276 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,840 right. So we'll talk about too like I 277 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,680 will. I mean, AI helped us last week, 278 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,560 but AI is helping us again this week because I wanted to start 279 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:39,240 off with these online bets. And obviously when you take out 280 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:45,000 the overhead of a veterinary practice, you take out the face 281 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,440 to face visit, you usually can save some money. 282 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,000 And I use something like that. I mean, there's a bunch of them 283 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,480 for veterinary telehealth, but I use that for my kids. 284 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,120 I use something called Blueberry Pediatrics. 285 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:04,160 I think the first year I paid $120.00 for the year and they 286 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,080 sent me like the little pulsometer. 287 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,240 They sent me like a little like the little thing to look in the 288 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,800 ears. They're planning for whatever 289 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,760 like viruses little kids get. So like they want you to be able 290 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,200 to look in the ears and the nose. 291 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,960 They want you to take the pulse and a thermometer, right. 292 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,480 So like they, they send me all that and that was $120.00 293 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,320 including all that kit for the year. 294 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:32,120 And then like I think I renew for like $99 every year. 295 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,640 And I just, and I added my sister's son while he was here 296 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,360 because he got like a virus. And like they let me add this 297 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,240 third child at no additional cost. 298 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,920 And a doctor like you put in, it's an app where you put in 299 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,440 like the picture, like my kids have gotten conjunctivitis. 300 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,360 So you take a picture of the eye and you send them the what their 301 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,320 temperature, their pulse and like whether they have any other 302 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,040 symptoms, they get the picture, they look at it, they call the 303 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,280 pharmacy. You never saw a doctor, you 304 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,320 never left. And then they can provide like a 305 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,560 like a doctor's note for the kids. 306 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:08,119 So to me, it's like $120.00 a year, $100 a year is invaluable 307 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,119 because that saves me the time of calling the the doctor, going 308 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,760 to the doctor, taking them out when they're already sick into 309 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,880 the community. All that stuff is so worth it. 310 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,560 So I'm already a believer when it comes to my kids. 311 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,079 It doesn't replace like if my kid breaks his leg, I'm not 312 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:27,000 calling Blueberry Pediatric. I hope not I'm. 313 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,720 Going straight to the ER, but like it's one of those things 314 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,880 where like, like you mentioned, like the the the kitten or the 315 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:40,040 puppy who's constantly having diarrhea, you know, like send a 316 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,200 picture of it and see what the vet has to say. 317 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,960 So I really like those first people who maybe have a puppy or 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,160 a kitten where or their new pet parents where they may not know 319 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,360 how to gauge the severity of things. 320 00:17:54,360 --> 00:17:58,480 I think that's I got Blueberry Pediatrics during the pandemic 321 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,480 when Mila was born. So I wasn't a new mom. 322 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,560 I was a second time mom, but obviously I was navigating a 323 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,040 totally different world and I couldn't get into the doctor and 324 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,560 I didn't really want to take my baby to the doctor and all that. 325 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:16,400 And so when you are kind of a new pet parent or you're 326 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,920 navigating some kind of challenges where maybe you work 327 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,640 so much that you can't take the day off to go to the vet, you 328 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,360 can maybe take send a picture and then the doctor calls you. 329 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,440 Like, it's not like a FaceTime. But in the case of Blueberry 330 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,000 Pediatrics, the doctor calls you. 331 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,160 So you are speaking to somebody and they're asking you questions 332 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,760 and they're asking for follow-ups and they message you 333 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,000 in the app again, being like, you know, how like 24 hours 334 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,640 later, like, how's the eye looking? 335 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,480 You know, when did you start the drops, blah, blah, blah. 336 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:52,080 And if you can get that for your pet and they're able to call in 337 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,480 a prescription, that's when it gets a little hairy though, 338 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,000 because a lot of prescriptions, they'll have to call a vet near 339 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,240 you for that prescription. So I don't know how that works. 340 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,560 Like most of the veterinary specific medications are going 341 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,440 to be dispensed by a vet. So like I've never used that. 342 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,960 So that would be my only like concern about that. 343 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,560 Yeah. I mean, I think if, if, if it's 344 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:22,480 being used kind of the way you described where you're not like 345 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,440 maybe it's something that they can help you with over zoom or 346 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:34,440 through photographs and video or they're kind of helping you 347 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,480 navigate. Like, is this serious enough 348 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680 that you actually need to go into an office and have 349 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,360 something? Because I think the big 350 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:44,040 differentiating factor between pets and children. 351 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,200 And, and I guess it, it also depends on like how young your 352 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,360 child is, but you know, a pet is never going to be able to say 353 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,280 this hurts. I don't feel well, my eye is 354 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,040 stinging. Like they can't tell you like my 355 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,200 eyes dry or it's stinging or like there's an acute paint. 356 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280 You know what I mean? Like they're they can't tell you 357 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,240 those things. And so having a veterinary 358 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,120 professional put their hands on your animal. 359 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,840 In some cases is invaluable. Well, in this case, it's all for 360 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,360 acute stuff. So this is stuff that is visible 361 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,720 to the eye. This is not to replace your 362 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,120 annual veterinary visit. This does not change that your 363 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,400 senior needs to go to the vet twice a year. 364 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:32,040 This is just your pet started, you know, like having diarrhea 365 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,520 24 hours ago and it's still there. 366 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,960 Or your pet got like a bug bite outside and you're like, does 367 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,720 this need to be seen by a vet? My dog Titan got a spider bite 368 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,720 and you know, within three days it was like necrotic, right? 369 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,960 But like that first 24 hours, I just ignored it. 370 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,600 I, I didn't talk to a person, I didn't photograph it, I didn't 371 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,720 do anything. And three hours, three days 372 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,760 later, it was like necrotic. So obviously that went to, to a 373 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,480 vet and he had to get laser and all sorts of stuff. 374 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:11,840 And but had I had maybe like a telehealth day 2 when it was 375 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,480 still looking kind of not terrible, but not great. 376 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,240 I could have called there and I maybe could have saved some of 377 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,000 that like necrosis from happening, right. 378 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,840 And I was like, there are so many things in veterinary care 379 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 and in children because I mean, having I started this when Mila 380 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,360 was a brand new baby during a pandemic, there are so many, 381 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,640 many things that you see are different. 382 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,760 They're different. Like this poop has mucus in it, 383 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,360 right? Like are you going to make an 384 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,560 appointment and spend $80.00 to see to and then and then you get 385 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,280 there and like the dog no has like a bowel movement that looks 386 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,800 like pristine, like a poop emoji on the vet floor. 387 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,080 And you're like, well, that's just, that's a waste of time and 388 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,520 money. So there are things that like 389 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,560 you really don't want to go to the vet for. 390 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,800 And like I said, this is really only something I would recommend 391 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,440 for people who are newer to pet parenting or have puppies and 392 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,200 kittens where they do, they have an immature immune system. 393 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,960 They do tend to get things more often, especially diarrhea. 394 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,880 Like if I think about when Titan came home to me, he was four 395 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,960 months old. How much money I spent on the 396 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,920 vet as a new dog mom like I would have made, I would have 397 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,960 saved so much having something like this. 398 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,400 I even took Titan to the vet when he was licking himself too 399 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,320 much and like he was like a teenage dog licking himself and 400 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,440 he would get like his lipstick and I was like flipped out that 401 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,400 he had something wrong with him. So I took him to the 402 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 veterinarian for an erection guys. 403 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,320 I love you. Like, would I do that now? 404 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,000 I'd be like, stop licking, move on with your life, right? 405 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,720 Like that's what I would do now. But like, I was new to this 406 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,800 whole gig. And so I think that's where like 407 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,160 this is perfect. If your dog has something 408 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,920 chronic, this is not going to work and they're even going to 409 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,120 tell you themselves. There needs to be a that 410 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:12,360 involved you. Like I was surprised with my, 411 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,440 like with my experiences with Blueberry where like they would 412 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,040 even call in sometimes. Like it was kind of like I 413 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,360 would, I was expecting them to be like, you need to take them 414 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,520 to the doctor, but they would like say, OK, we're going to try 415 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,800 this for 24 hours. If the fever is not down, you 416 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,040 have to go to the doctor. They'll they'll, they would work 417 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,240 with me in that sense and usually was better within 24 418 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,160 hours. But I imagine these are actual 419 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,560 veterinarians. So they are and obviously 420 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000 there's the liability issues. So, you know, they're going to 421 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:47,160 be like I that if your dog is limping and, you know, cannot 422 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,560 support themselves on that foot, you need to go to the vet. 423 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Like there's not a video or a photo that's going to help me 424 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,640 diagnose that unless I touch it. And I will say dogs break their 425 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,240 toes. I had a dog who broke her toe at 426 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,840 six months and like, we waited for three hours, like 3 hours. 427 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,040 She would just like sit there whining and like before bedtime. 428 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,560 I was like, this isn't getting better. 429 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,760 And I had no clue that she had broken anything. 430 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,840 She kind of walked in limping a little bit. 431 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,720 We were concerned about, like, a spider or a snake bite because 432 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,400 she had just been out in the dark in the yard and, you know, 433 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,560 at 11 O clock at night, I had to take her in to the emergency vet 434 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,560 only to find out that she had broken the toe. 435 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,840 And, like, the dumbest way, just like coming up the stairs. 436 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,800 So, like those kinds of things. Yeah, you can't do that unless 437 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,920 you go and they need to, like, touch the toe and see what toe 438 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,920 and get the X-ray. And she got a cast, too. 439 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,160 Yeah, I know. I do that. 440 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,600 I will do that with my daughter. If she's like limping or 441 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000 something, I am OK. We are going to sit on the 442 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,280 couch. You're going to, you're going to 443 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,920 get a massage, but I'm going to be over here figuring everything 444 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,320 out. I'm going to, I'm moving your 445 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,960 limbs. I'm squeezing every single one 446 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,360 of your paw pads to see if there's a reaction. 447 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:04,480 Like I I will do that with my dog because again, I don't want 448 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,320 to go to the veterinarian for a limp, right? 449 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,360 Like, OK, maybe you just pulled a muscle. 450 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840 Maybe I just need to massage it for you. 451 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120 Maybe I just need to put some essential oils on it. 452 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,480 You can't fix a broken bone. But also she. 453 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680 Can't stop whining, right? So like that, Yeah. 454 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,000 It wasn't just the limb. At that point She's like laying 455 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,640 down whining and you're like, OK. 456 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,840 What's going on? This is where I need to and 457 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,280 like, why bother even calling anybody because that person's 458 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,520 going to be like, go to the vet. 100. 459 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,120 Percent looks like your dog's like your dog is throwing up. 460 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,200 You just caught them like with same dog caught her with like an 461 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,200 open bottle of Proen, which is a chewable tablet that tastes like 462 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,880 bacon for incontinence and she had chewed like 30 of them. 463 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,520 Am I going to call the vet and be like, should I bring her in? 464 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,440 I know to bring her in. Who I called at that moment was 465 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,080 the pet poison control line to get the toxicologist down and be 466 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320 like, I'm about to take her to the vet. 467 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,640 This is what she ingested. And then they call the vet. 468 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,160 So like, but again, this is me who's been in this industry for 469 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,840 almost 20 years. And like, I've had dogs, so many 470 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,760 dogs. I've fostered, I've raised 471 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,720 neonatal kittens. I've taken care of, you know, 472 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,160 moms that just had babies, all the things. 473 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,320 But like me at 24 when No 28, when I first got Titan, I'd had 474 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,040 one dog at that point. And like, yeah, Oh my God, the 475 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,240 amount of money I spent on nonsense, especially like we 476 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:32,840 talked last week, all the nonsense. 477 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,520 We talked about that too, the toys, the chews, the this, the 478 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,040 that, that. Like add that to all the 479 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,880 veterinary costs that I spent that I could have saved. 480 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,200 I mean, we're talking in the easily $2000 in the first year. 481 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Yeah. And one of the other things, and 482 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:57,000 I don't know if this is on on a is list or not, there are just 483 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,320 starting to kind of come around. There's well, I shouldn't say 484 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 that. I think it probably started 485 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,960 later after, after the pandemic was technically over, like these 486 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 like mobile veterinarians kind of started popping up 487 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,640 everywhere. Not just like a single house 488 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,080 call that would that's been around forever, but like 489 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,400 franchise type, we're going out everywhere and there are vans 490 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,040 everywhere kind of that popped up. 491 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:32,240 And I think there, there probably is some maybe cost 492 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,800 difference because they don't have the overhead of a brick and 493 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,960 mortar. So there is that to, to be aware 494 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,240 of as well. Something newer that is popping 495 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,280 up that I'm a big fan of particularly because I think it 496 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,440 fits really well and with what I do, I, again, I am not here to 497 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,440 replace your veterinarian. I will never ever say that I am. 498 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:03,320 But there are instances where whether you're in like a desert 499 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,000 where you can't get to a veterinarian because that's a 500 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,240 thing that's happening and popping up more and more, or you 501 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:13,880 you don't have a veterinarian that you can trust at the 502 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,240 moment, you're in in limbo. Maybe you're working with a pet 503 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,280 health coach. There are labs popping up where 504 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,840 you can go in and just get your whatever lab work done that you 505 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,000 need for your pet. So if you are working with a 506 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:32,320 professional, whether it's a pet health coach like me or maybe 507 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,040 doing telehealth with a holistic veterinarian who lives halfway 508 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560 around the world, you can go in and get those labs that you need 509 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,280 without necessarily paying the overhead of this veterinarian. 510 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Now, sometimes you do need a veterinarian to check that 511 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,680 animal out. I'm not saying that this is like 512 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,960 a way to get our results. Absolutely. 513 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,480 Now, I mean somebody like if you are working telehealth with a, 514 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,000 you know, a holistic or integrative vet, they're going 515 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,040 to be able to read the results. If you're working with a pet 516 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,640 health coach like me, I'm going to be able to read the results. 517 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,480 But yeah, you do need to work with somebody to be able to read 518 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,600 the results. And they're absolutely are going 519 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,440 to be instances where a veterinarian needs to have their 520 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,760 hands on your animal, period, end of story. 521 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,800 But these are ways to potentially save. 522 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320 And there are veterinarians out there who are like, this is 523 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,480 these are the kinds of things that take up way too much of 524 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,960 mine and my staff's time. They want you to bring your your 525 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,240 dog or cat in. They want to see your dog or 526 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320 cat. But there are things that they 527 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,720 want to What is the word in outsource out. 528 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,080 Yes, outsource. And so and, and for me, I do 529 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,840 think this is a way where you could potentially save money. 530 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,800 I know when I talk to all of my clients and I'm recommending 531 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,640 them getting rabies titers or anything, any other titers, I am 532 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,800 always directing them to Hemo Pet because it is so much less 533 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,000 expensive. Veterinarians charge an arm and 534 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,560 a leg to do it tighter, A rabies tighter test when we all know 535 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,800 full well I don't care if your veterinarian sends it in or you 536 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600 send it to Humopet. Everybody is sending that rabies 537 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,040 tighter test to Kansas State. It is all going through Kansas 538 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,200 State. There is no reason for you to 539 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:29,360 pay $400 to your veterinarian when you can pay $80.00 to 540 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080 Humopet plus whatever your vet charges for. 541 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,720 A bronze One thing I will about the visiting vets and I say 542 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,440 visiting vets because my mom's vet in Miami was a like he had a 543 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,800 brick and mortar. She had a brick and mortar and 544 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,200 she would also go to the house. So like she called herself the 545 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,720 visiting vet. And in my case, when I first 546 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,280 moved to El Paso, I used to do the my, my vet right now who has 547 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,480 a brick and mortar would do house calls. 548 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000 And it was cheaper for her to do a house call for four pets than 549 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,160 for us to take different pets at different times. 550 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,920 So we would do that. And I think her house call fee 551 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,280 was like 90 bucks, whereas maybe her in in office fee was like 60 552 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,840 bucks, but you couldn't take all four at the same time in case 553 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,720 she doesn't have a big enough practice, right. 554 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,280 So those things are important to ask if you do have a lot of 555 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,720 pets, if it would be smarter to either have your vet come to you 556 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,000 with a fee or to find a mobile vet that can just like clear out 557 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120 the afternoon and come over. And it's amazing how much they 558 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,760 can do at home for these Wellness checks. 559 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560 Like they bring their their little kids, they draw blood, 560 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,120 they take everything. I mean, they euthanize at home. 561 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480 All those things are really doable. 562 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,880 I feel like even like in the case of Titan when he got his 563 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,640 bite, we could have done laser, you know, like cuz it's like a, 564 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,000 it's like a tool. It's not really like that big of 565 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,280 a thing to transfer. But I will say that there are 566 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,200 many different types of online vet services. 567 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Chewy does one for free. So offers free chat and video 568 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760 consultations. That's Chewy. 569 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,280 Connect with a vet. Again, not sponsored but I'm 570 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,160 just giving you ideas. Vetster, Pop, PAWP. 571 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,040 Those are veterinarian, veterinarians and nurses for 572 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,920 advice and support. Whisker Docs. 573 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,960 Whisker docs even does e-mail consultations. 574 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440 Bond Vet. Virtual veterinary care. 575 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,160 Dutch and air vet and some of these charge by like the 576 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880 consultation and some of them have subscriptions. 577 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,880 So you just have to figure out what it is that you are 578 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,840 comfortable with how often you use them. 579 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,040 And then also I want to talk about how there are options for 580 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,920 those big, but this these, these guys are great for like, you 581 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,360 know, diarrhea, whatever you want to save 50 bucks or 582 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,360 whatever. But like, let's talk about when 583 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:08,240 there are big diagnosis, your dog breaks her toe and you have 584 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,040 to pay $2000. And then after you put the cast 585 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,840 on, it gets wet and now she has gangrene. 586 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,640 So now you have to go back in and they remove the cast and now 587 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,560 you're at another $500. And this was like in 2000. 588 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,560 Oh my God. So Can you imagine what it is 589 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,680 now in 2025? Your dog. 590 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Ate a sock, your dog got into the pro and pills. 591 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,840 Your dog heaven forbid got impaled at the park, which one 592 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,960 of my staff members had happened to her. 593 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,600 One day she called me. She's like I can't walk dogs. 594 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,480 I was at whatever park and my dog literally got impaled. 595 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,800 She had like 142 stitches in the wound. 596 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,440 They have to transport her with a stick in her in her torso on 597 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,840 your dog, heaven forbid, gets hit by a car. 598 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,760 These things happen. So like the And then another 599 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,160 thing that happens, your dog or cat gets diagnosed with cancer 600 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,760 or some kind of other disease that you know is expensive to 601 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,080 treat. So what do you do that like, 602 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920 yes, you have access to care credit, yes, you could 603 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,280 potentially start your consultations online, but now 604 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,520 you're at the vet, now you're facing, you know, whatever you 605 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,400 spent that day and whatever comes next. 606 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,639 So there are organizations that will help you. 607 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,239 You just have to do the legwork. And I feel like people here in 608 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,719 this in this topic, I feel like people think it should be 609 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,719 easier, But I mean, there are a lot of people out there in the 610 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,320 same boat. And so it's not easy. 611 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,719 And like there's not a lot of money to go around. 612 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,880 So there are like funds that different organizations have to 613 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,639 help. We have a friend, Sam Bears, 614 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,719 Bears Bikes. That's her business. 615 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,080 And she has, excuse me, she has like a nonprofit where she 616 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,840 raises funds so that she can help people with big vet bills. 617 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,760 And there's a lot that's on a small scale in her area, but 618 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,760 there are bigger organizations, including, you know, the Humane 619 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,400 Society of the United States, who sometimes has help. 620 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,480 So but what happens there is you need to find the organization. 621 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,440 You need to apply for the help, you need to move quickly. 622 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,000 You need to follow up. You may get rejected. 623 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,960 And you know, you need to find multiple places and can't put 624 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,960 all your eggs in one basket. It can be really frustrating, 625 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,600 but it can be really helpful. Like I said, I think it was last 626 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,120 week or the week before. There's a Vet Corner group on 627 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,520 Facebook. They also provide not only like 628 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,520 you can post a picture that says like, oh, my dog's limping. 629 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,360 Look at her toe, it's swollen. They can say, you know, that 630 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,240 needs veterinary attention. It could be broken. 631 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:58,320 But there was a person who posted a cat that she had found 632 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,280 unresponsive and everybody was like, obviously, like, take your 633 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,240 cat to the vet. And then later there was an 634 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,200 update like she's gone or whatever. 635 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,000 And there are other things where it's like a skin issue where 636 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,840 maybe it's not like the life or death, but the vets will be 637 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,680 like, OK, that looks like XYZ. So now you have like a diagnosis 638 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,360 more or less. And you can go to that. 639 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,960 But they also as part of their responses, usually link some 640 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560 like resource, economic, financial resources. 641 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,960 And they're all over like in Texas, specifically Texas 642 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,000 Veterinary Medical Foundation. The LEAP program offers free 643 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,520 veterinary care to economically disadvantaged individuals, 644 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,240 particularly the elderly and the disabled. 645 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:45,240 Frankie's Friends low cost, no cost and low cost veterinary 646 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,920 care, especially for cats, including spay neuter services 647 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000 and veterinary forensic services. 648 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,640 That's if you're there's abuse or something like that criminal 649 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,400 activity surrounding these animals. 650 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,880 Humane Society of the United States, they have a list, 651 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,160 national and state level organizations that provide these 652 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,400 services either, you know, like preventive stuff like spay, 653 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,720 neuter, vaccinations, whatever, microchipping for free or for 654 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,720 low cost and also for bigger catastrophic stuff. 655 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,960 The pet fund owners who cannot afford veterinary care. 656 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,200 It's a nonprofit. Bow Wow buddies, Paws for a 657 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,280 cure, the magic bullet fund. We have a friend. 658 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,680 Oh my gosh, I can't remember what it's called now. 659 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,280 Moose is March. Moose is March does like testing 660 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,480 for cancer for free. So they provide the kits. 661 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,160 So if you are worried that your pet might, you know, have 662 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,360 something and you know, it's not urgent, but you're worried it, 663 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,680 she provides that. So there's like an endless 664 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,400 amount of organizations out there. 665 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,680 You just have to do the legwork. And I think people get really 666 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,080 discouraged really easily. Maybe it's because you and I are 667 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,720 such doers. They were like, I mean, I need a 668 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,280 solution. I'm going to find it like not 669 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,160 everybody's resourceful, but you have AI now. 670 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,720 So like literally tell AI you can use ChatGPT. 671 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:12,840 You can use Gemini and be like ChatGPT, well don't say ChatGPT 672 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600 because you're just wasting water, but just be like help me 673 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:20,440 find a low cost or no cost veterinary care for my dog who 674 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,480 was just diagnosed with cancer. And like see what you get in 675 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,480 your area. Use your resources, talk to 676 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,880 people, call your vet, call your social, your Humane Society, 677 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,720 your local shelter. Ask. 678 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,320 Don't be embarrassed. That's the biggest thing I 679 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,400 think. People don't ask for help 680 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,880 because they're embarrassed, they don't feel deserving. 681 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,640 The organization will determine if you're deserving or not. 682 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,400 Just ask them. Yeah, well, yes, but also like 683 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,760 just because they may not have enough funds also doesn't mean 684 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,880 you're not deserving. They wouldn't tell you you're 685 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,040 not deserving, but like they might tell you like we have 686 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,680 people in more need or they might just tell you like we've 687 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,080 exhausted our funds, like we would love to help you, but we 688 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,440 can't. But like that, I mean, there are 689 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,400 people who want support that maybe don't need it as much as 690 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,680 other people, right? That's true. 691 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:18,280 The the biggest thing too is the sometimes there's there's stuff 692 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,240 going on. I don't know if everybody knows 693 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,640 all like the million pet related holidays we celebrate each year. 694 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,680 Like May is Chip your is national Chip your pet mum. 695 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,480 Yeah, National Pet Week was last week. 696 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080 So like there are a lot of organizations that will run 697 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,960 programs, promos, things like that over specific holidays. 698 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040 Pet Cancer Month, I think is it? When was it? 699 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,880 We just did something on Pet Cancer Month. 700 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,280 We did. No, I think it was back in like. 701 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,840 November. Was it back in October, right? 702 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:47,480 Yeah. October. 703 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,480 November. Yeah. 704 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480 So like when those things are happening, you might have some 705 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,680 success getting some support for something, maybe not, again, 706 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960 super acute, but something chronic that maybe you're 707 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,880 managing, you know, DCM, like degenerative myelopathy. 708 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,640 DM sorry, DM degenerative myelopathy is something that 709 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,920 you've managed for a long time. And so like if you, there are 710 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,640 groups on Facebook for everything. 711 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,280 So like, if you have a diagnosis, go straight to those 712 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,760 groups and ask like, how can I get help? 713 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,680 When my dog Titan was diagnosed with degenerative myelopathy, I 714 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,480 went straight to the DM group on Facebook and it was so helpful. 715 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,720 They told me how to save money on genetic testing. 716 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,080 They told me like what works, what doesn't. 717 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,880 You know, they really are like, and the people who are admins of 718 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:46,160 these groups are so committed to helping pet parents that like, 719 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,440 they truly are like a wealth of information and like invaluable 720 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,760 input for free because it's literally just like another 721 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,840 member of the group giving you all this advice. 722 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,280 Which I wanted temper, but yes, they can be very, very helpful. 723 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:07,200 You just have to, you still have to you still to figure things 724 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,880 out for yourself, but take that under like take everything they 725 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,040 give you under advisement because it can't. 726 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,240 They there are absolutely sometimes where it's going to be 727 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,120 amazing information and there's also going to be sometimes where 728 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880 it's really horrible. I like, I know there's a group 729 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,960 on Facebook. That's why I said admin. 730 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,640 Yeah, yeah, that. Well, there's there's there is a 731 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,600 group that I heard about a few months ago on Facebook that they 732 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,720 are recommending dogs only eat. Fruit. 733 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,440 OK, but don't join those groups I'm talking about specifically, 734 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,200 yeah. Don't join the red. 735 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,360 Flag. When we talk about red flags, 736 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,360 that is like a huge red flag. Any group that tells you to feed 737 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,240 anybody only fruit. Yeah. 738 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,280 Didn't the girl who only ate bananas die? 739 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,880 I I there was that, but that would make sense. 740 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,080 Yeah, like there was a girl who only ate, but I think she was 741 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,200 from Ecuador. This is why, like, I connected 742 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,800 with her and I don't know if she passed away, but there was a 743 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,280 girl very attractive, always in her swimsuit, like, very sexy. 744 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,160 And she was just like, I only eat bananas. 745 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,840 That's all the food I need. And I remember being like, yeah, 746 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,080 that doesn't sound right. So yeah, intervention doesn't 747 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,960 sound right. Double check it. 748 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,400 But it's a really great place to start when you have a diagnosis 749 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,760 that you're learning about. Because those groups for me, 750 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,200 like for the DM diagnosis, there was all the information I was 751 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,520 going to find online was like compiled for me. 752 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560 So it was like curated. And then there were people kind 753 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,800 of like already in comments being like, well, this didn't 754 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560 work for me or this did or I disagree with this because of 755 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,840 this and that, you know, everybody's kind of like, if 756 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,440 they allow links, that's super helpful. 757 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,200 And this particular group does some places don't allow links at 758 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960 all, which is super annoying. But if they allow links, it's so 759 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,280 helpful. And you know, none of none of 760 00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,360 them was were promotional. It was just like helpful. 761 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,200 Like, you know, there's not a lot of there are not a lot of 762 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600 studies on a lot of things that ALR pets. 763 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:11,080 So a lot of it comes down to anecdotal stuff, you know, when 764 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,560 you're dealing with these things. 765 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,320 And that's where this stuff is helpful. 766 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,200 Like, yeah, my dog has DM, but I did this protocol with CBD and 767 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,120 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 768 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,560 And it, you know, he seemed to do better. 769 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,840 So you're like, OK, well, what do I have to lose when you get 770 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,200 these diagnosis where it's like, and like in my case, like we 771 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,160 didn't spend the money on an MRI. 772 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,160 We chose not to because he was so advanced in age. 773 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,760 Like whether or not we were going to find it was silly, but 774 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,320 we did instead use that money for acupuncture. 775 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520 So like by saving some money somewhere, you can invest in 776 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,560 something else. Absolutely. 777 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,960 Well, I think these are all great tips, yes. 778 00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,040 We're going to cut it short today because Jessica and I need 779 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,720 to have a meeting about nothing related to pets. 780 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,520 I mean, obviously pets are always part of the conversation, 781 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160 but we need it to catch up. So I think we talked about 782 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,320 everything. Again, use your resources. 783 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160 Don't take no for an answer. Keep looking for it. 784 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,040 And actually, Jessica, I wanted to ask you if next week you 785 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,680 would be open to discussing what to do when your dog bites like 786 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,880 you have a biter. I just got a message from a 787 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,760 friend in the DC area. Whose friend found a dog, kept 788 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,520 it, and the dog's a biter. Resource guarding. 789 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,680 I mean, in the one paragraph I, I already know like resource 790 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,080 guarding, lots of management having to be done. 791 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,960 But a trainers told them they had to euthanize. 792 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,200 And So what I figured is we could talk about all the options 793 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,200 that come before euthanasia. Yeah, yeah. 794 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,240 Well, and I think. Obviously when it's time to 795 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,360 behaviorally euthanize. Yeah, I and I think I had sent 796 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,200 you. We can do that and then maybe 797 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,200 the next week roll into or even try to. 798 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:03,840 I don't know if we could fit it in. 799 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,920 More than 99% of US dogs have a behavior problem, Texas A&M 800 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,720 research. Yes, that's right. 801 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,800 Yeah, let's do the bite. 1st and then let's talk about. 802 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,120 Roll into behavior problems and what they are common behavior 803 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,640 problems. So we'll get off the topic of 804 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,800 economy. OK, so we're going to, we're 805 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,000 going to like put our financial advisor hats aside and now we're 806 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,480 going to put our behavior consultant hats on and discuss 807 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,720 dog bites and when a dog bite has gone too far, when a biting 808 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:43,280 dog is not fixable. Yeah, yeah. 809 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,360 There are situations where that happens, so. 810 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,800 Spoiler. I mean, there are situations 811 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,120 where the dog is probably better off at rest. 812 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,760 Yeah. They're not enjoying life at 813 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,320 that point either. I think it's extreme, but I do 814 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,120 think that absolutely can be the case sometimes. 815 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,160 And we always want to take the quality of of life into 816 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,880 consideration. So yeah, let's talk about that 817 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,000 next week. All right, guys. 818 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,320 Thank you guys for joining. I really appreciate you. 819 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,680 And if you have anything after you, you catch this later not 820 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,120 live. If you want to continue the 821 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,440 conversation and comments, we're happy to participate. 822 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,040 Just keep it nice. Yes. 823 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,720 All right, guys. All right, y'all have a 824 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,160 wonderful week. Thanks as well. 825 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:25,240 Bye.