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There you are. 
Hello. 

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Hi, Jessica. 
How are you? 

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I am great. 
Thank you so much for having me 

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join you today. 
I'm so excited for you to be 

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here, and I mean, you're so 
amazing. 

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Anyway, I'm going to get all my 
fan Girling out at the 

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beginning. 
Thank you so much. 

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Thank you for sharing that. 
That totally makes my day and 

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I'm happy to be here to share 
for sure. 

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Well, I mean, you have so much 
incredible information to share.

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And so we're just continuing 
this month in November with 

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canine cancer awareness. 
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stoked that we were like already
talking about having, you know, 

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doing an Instagram live and then
this came up. 

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So to actually have like focus 
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it's such a big topic and it's 
such an important topic and it's

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such a topic. 
That is if it hasn't affected 

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you yet, and I, I mean, you as 
like the listener or the viewer,

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then it's likely to at some 
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that's just the sad reality of 
the statistics. 

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But Doctor Katie Kingis, you are
a veterinarian, an integrated 

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veterinarian in Southern 
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You are, you're not in San 
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Where are you at again? 
It's pretty much San Diego. 

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So the technically our clinic, 
my clinic is in Solana Beach, 

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but it's San Diego County, it's 
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So yeah. 
Close enough. 

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And I've had you on the podcast 
before, so a lot of you probably

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are already familiar with Doctor
Katie, but you are an integrated

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veterinarian. 
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perspectives on what that means 
because like, it means something

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to me. 
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little bit about your journey 
and and what you consider to be 

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integrative veterinarian? 
Medicine and just to brief into 

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my journey, I've been, I 
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veterinary school. 
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in vet for more than 30 years. 
That's incredible. 

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And but it feels good, so good 
in the fact that I have amassed 

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so much learning and so much 
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And we're all, all of us pet 
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alive really, we are learning 
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So learning never stops, but it,
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my journey has brought me to the
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enough clinical experience and 
now holistic because I've been 

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holistic and integrated for 
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know, I, I really feel so good 
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give to people and to my pet 
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learning that continues every 
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But you know, once I started my 
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I, you know, sort of my pathway 
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getting acupuncture certified, 
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throughout integrative with 
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Western herbs, homeopathy, you 
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the toolbox, which is such a 
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And that's what we love about 
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And then so to define it for 
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perspective, is that 
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really using all the tools in 
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medicine is that we have so many
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the modalities that I just, you 
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rattling that off. 
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completely ignore conventional 
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and you know, we use it when 
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We make every effort to not 
overuse it and to, you know, use

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etcetera. 
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account when it is helpful for 
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conventional tools, then, you 
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that we can choose from, which 
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the body from those items or 
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preventative. 
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don't get a lot of these, you 
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conceptualize about integrative 
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saying that it's an end of one, 
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patient. 
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of the body, the patient, the 
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is best for this individual, all
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consideration and all of those 
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person or pet person versus the 
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which is much more narrow and 
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to treat the disease. 
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important and today, so we have 
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want to get to that in just a 
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twofold 1. 
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a lot lately to doctor Kendra 
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oncologist. 
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opened my eyes. 
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like, Oh, yes, OK, that even 
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this is almost like a, a kind of
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us as a society. 
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Cancer Research, whether we're 
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going towards like the genetic 
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says it's really 90 to 95% 
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Exactly. 
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think. 
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long that your genes determine 
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And then people just feel like a
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victim, and I can't do anything 
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genetics. 
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discovery of epigenetics, which 
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Is that epigenetics, EPI being 
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that just because you have a 
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that it's going to be expressed 
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vast majority of that influence 
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anything from clearly diet, 
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food, processed food, you know, 
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description is that we really 
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genetic disease. 
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scientists and the rest of us, 
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really understand that it's a 
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genetic disease, so. 
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And so to start to address this,
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like the three of the most 
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air, water, food, right? 
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things that I think to really 
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making could probably take days 
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focus on 1st for a pet parent. 
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around accessing clean water for
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And I know this is something for
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struggle with, but I know that 
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like, OK, I'm comfortable 
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that I could be doing. 
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baseline for me right now, what 
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spring water that I add minerals
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that we probably could be doing.
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around like structured water or 
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stuff. 
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average pet parent, just the 
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being pumped through your pipes 
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getting a clean. 
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A clean, yeah, it's, it's 
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I mean, all the experts are like
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water that are not going to have
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toxins in the water than others,
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the fact anything coming through
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to to be. 
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everybody is not to use tap 
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themselves. 
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know, getting, like you said, 
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spring water or having a reverse
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whole house filtration unit, or 
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that you filter your water 
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know, one of the pitchers that 
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I could even give you a name to 
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There's one that dumb doctor 
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heard such good things about. 
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have that. 
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mineral drops. 
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again, like you said across the 
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for everybody in your family, 
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drinking is the cleanest water 
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chlorine, all that junk, like 
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clean water. 
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more about like where you are, 
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with getting clean water? 
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difference. 
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filter then, you know, I mean, 
there are filters that do a 

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really, you know, the Common 
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but it's better than nothing, 
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things like that, but it won't 
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know, contaminants. 
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if you know, somebody has 
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water, I mean, I think having a 
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be the best thing you can do. 
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picture or something you could 
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building system or the house 
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levels like you were saying, 
there's you can do pictures for 

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emergencies, There are like 
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are like whole house units. 
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know, wherever you are right now
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lifestyle. 
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like I was saying at the very 
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the most fundamental things, 
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But maybe there are other things
for you if you are just giving a

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pet parent like a brief overview
of like where do I start? 

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Where what are some of the 
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can have the biggest impact to 
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Because even if, even if 
they're, they're not necessarily

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thinking cancer off the top of 
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want to keep my pet healthy, 
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Like how, how, how would you 
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What? 
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Jessica, are you talking about 
toxins like air or are you 

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talking just like everything? 
What do we want to do to be 

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prevent? 
I mean, I know that's big. 

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Yeah. 
Like prevention in general or 

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starting off with like the 
actual toxin topic? 

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I think prevention in general, 
whatever you're most 

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comfortable, like what you would
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Here. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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And I think, you know, all of 
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spend any time talking about 
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You know, the food, air, water, 
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are all of the things that we 
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and mitigate to the best of our 
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clean world. 
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realize that we can't always be 
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organic things, not feeding 
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everybody knows that sort of 
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carcinogenic, not to mention, 
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and toxic to the gut and the gut
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comes to all around prevention. 
There are so many great things. 

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that we've already sort of 
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to feel doomed or feel like your
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There are so many things that we
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and lifestyle for our pets and 
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more preventative and more 
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And I love you actually brought 
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is phenomenal. 
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Rodney Hibbett and such and so 
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But she said a comment that I 
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the cure for cancer. 
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immune system cells to identify 
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rogue cells and get rid of them 
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those. 
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things that we can do for 
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constantly in taking food and 
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an animal or a person, then the 
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clean up mode. 
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becoming cancerous. 
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methods that but a powerful one 
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in a prevention mode. 
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a few days a week. 
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it's, it's probably easier to 
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It's short, but you know, really

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informative. 
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plug into as well, you know, And
there's obviously much more, but

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Want. 

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Good comment, right? 
Absolutely. 

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So, you know, I mean, there's so
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with testing and supplements and
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hit on the free things first 
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They're so accessible. 
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you feed your pet and, and how 
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know, how many hours a day 
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sort of thing is huge prevention
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staying lean because we now know
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overweight is a definite, you 
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diseases, including cancer, and 
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humans. 
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whole exercise thing, that's a 
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how much exercise impacts the 
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important as well because 
exercise brings more oxygenation

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to the body's tissues. 
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carbohydrate. 
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species appropriate for dogs and
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helping to suppress cancer 
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cancer cells a lot of fuel. 
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deprived of oxygen, which is why
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sought after in the integrative,
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therapies for people and even 
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ozone therapy because ozone 
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the cells. 
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does that too. 
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exercise, we have healthier, 
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cancer cells in check are 
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is that where you exercise can 
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And the whole thing with, you 
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bathing and, you know, being in 
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and it's so good for us. 
And if our pets are an incentive

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to get us there. 
I mean, what a beautiful win win

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that is. 
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And actually when I was just at 
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talked a lot about the science 
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of the plants in nature are 
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of course our cells also run on 
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And so just like EMF can be a 
treatment and essential oils, 

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which change the vibration in 
the frequency of, you know, 

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cells and everything, just being
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frequency and can amp up the 
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some metophagy and kick out the,
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mutated cells. 
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grounding and forest bathing 
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hyperbaric, that's where my mind
went was getting out and like 

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clean, healthy soil and like 
absorbing that, that energy of 

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the earth, the the ions and all 
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Exactly right. 
Yeah, perfect. 

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add in when you talked about the
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again, you know, grounding, 
whether it's in soil or sand or 

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grass or whatever, that's all 
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And we know, you know, that 
there's so much information out 

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there about docs that spend more
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over overall are going to have 
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And we know that the microbiome 
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influencing the body's immune 
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ability. 
And Doctor Pope talks about this

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too, that the microbiome is very
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to address cancer and prevent 
cancer. 

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So, yeah, so some of the other 
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obviously we kind of touched on 
removing is many toxins from the

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air, from the water, from the 
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And I that's like on one hand, 
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privilege, but on the other 
hand, like it shouldn't be a 

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privilege to be able to eat 
clean food, to be able to have 

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access to organic foods, to be 
able to have access to animals 

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that are raised regenerative 
regeneratively. 

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Like it's, it's sad that we have
this like asterisk next to if 

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you can afford to do that, 
right? 

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No, yeah. 
But it can make a really, really

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big difference. 
And I like it always pops in my 

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head now when I hear people, I 
see people online all the time 

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saying like, I don't know what I
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My dog eats a raw food diet, 
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OK, you're going to the grocery 
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cheapest cuts of meat, blah, you
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that's what you can do to afford
to feed your dog this diet, 

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which by the way, is a win. 
Like that is a win. 

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Yeah. 
Sometimes that that linchpin 

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really can be the difference 
between that GMO crop and that 

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organic crop or the the animal 
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versus an animal raised 
regeneratively. 

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And so I never even though 
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asterisks of like, it's a 
privilege to be able to do this.

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I understand that, but also it 
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Huge. 
It's nice to know that and just 

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not to have any guilt attached 
if people are not able to 

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achieve that fully. 
But even if you can do some, 

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like even if 30% of what you 
feed is organic, it's better 

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than nothing. 
You know, it's better than 100% 

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not being. 
And so I would just encourage 

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people to do whatever they can 
in that regard. 

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And also like you, you know, to 
sort of speak to what you said, 

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Jessica's, if at all possible, 
the more we can invest on the 

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front end of prevention, the 
less we're spending on the back 

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end of that, you know, the care.
Because, you know, if a pet does

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obviously get any disease, 
including cancer, people will do

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everything they can to come up 
with the funds to care for their

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pet, to get them better. 
And it's so nice if that money 

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was spent on the front end 
instead, you know? 

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Yeah. 
So what, to whatever degree that

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that can happen, obviously is a 
beautiful thing. 

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Yeah. 
And so I think with a lot of 

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disease, we really we think of 
inflammation being at like the 

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root cause of a lot of disease. 
So what are some of the like 

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everyday things we could be 
doing, maybe adding into the 

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bowl maybe I don't know what 
are, what are some of the things

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like I, I have a few off the top
of my head that I tend to play 

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around with, but do you have any
like supplements or things that 

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you can do? 
And I think that a couple of 

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things so that I don't forget to
go there because, you know, 

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common supplement or you know, 
good supplements and common 

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supplements we can talk about 
too, because that's super 

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helpful and an easy category to,
you know, touch into for people.

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But some of the things to 
mention right off the bat that 

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are so anti-inflammatory, 
Vitamin D is a huge protector of

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the body when it comes to cancer
and all chronic diseases. 

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Because vitamin D is not only, 
you know, a lot of people 

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recognize it as being very 
helpful for the body to be more 

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resilient to infection, which is
absolutely true. 

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Whether it's bacterial, viral, 
fungal, whatever. 

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If your vitamin D levels are 
low, you're more susceptible to 

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infection. 
But what's also very important 

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is that if vitamin D levels are 
low, the body's going to be more

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prone to inflammation, and it's 
very difficult for the body to 

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resolve inflammatory patterns. 
And so vitamin D is recognized 

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as a big, you know, a big 
advantage for cancer prevention 

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or even once cancer is 
diagnosed, like get that vitamin

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D up to help that body recover 
and do better. 

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So testing though, for vitamin D
is really important because 

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vitamin D, of course, is a fat 
soluble vitamin. 

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So I don't generally recommend 
to just, you know, give an 

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average dose of vitamin D 
because everybody's different. 

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Even within the same household, 
you'll have three dogs on the 

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same diet and their vitamin DS 
are all completely different. 

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So testing is really important. 
Most integrated veterinarians 

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obviously offer these tests. 
I do as well and we haven't, of 

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course, I do a lot of 
telemedicine. 

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So I have an online shop on my 
website and we do sell the test 

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kits if you know over the 
counter and people can get them 

451
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080
and go to their primary vet or 
their local veterinarian and 

452
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,160
have a blood draw. 
If you know anybody listening 

453
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,480
isn't doing this already, 
definitely something I would 

454
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760
recommend. 
And then another test and 

455
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,800
actually the company that I use,
I can just mention it for the 

456
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080
vitamin D testing is VDI. 
Actually put that right here 

457
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,840
just as a visual in case that's 
helpful for anybody. 

458
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,560
But VDI is the lab and there is 
a test called the Essential 

459
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,800
vitamins test, which includes 
the vitamin D. 

460
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,360
And then another really 
important thing for inflammation

461
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,040
is omega-3 fatty acids. 
So the DHA and EPA Omega threes 

462
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,680
that we all need for so many 
aspects of health, but they are 

463
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,880
just very, you know, markedly 
anti-inflammatory. 

464
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,680
And we know that omega-3 fatty 
acids are definitely cancer 

465
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440
protective. 
So and a lot of oncologists, 

466
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240
veterinary oncologists, if they 
know anything about nutrition, 

467
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,920
they're like high dose Omega 
threes when you have, you know, 

468
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,880
cancer or even just in 
prevention. 

469
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
But the beautiful thing is now 
we can test for Omega threes in 

470
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,480
dogs and hopefully soon for cats
too. 

471
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,080
But currently the test is 
available for dogs and we do 

472
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240
have that test as well. 
And Omega Quant is the company 

473
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,400
that most of us use and that's 
what I use. 

474
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,240
And so testing your pets for 
omega-3 levels is so important 

475
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,440
and beneficial in you being 
able, in anyone being able to 

476
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,000
customize, you know, what their 
pet needs and get either more 

477
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,640
omega-3 containing things into 
the diet. 

478
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,120
You know, whether that's 
sardines and wild caught salmon 

479
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,240
and you know, multitudes of 
things that are good resources 

480
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,720
for omega-3, but also 
supplements, you know, and 

481
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,800
whether that's a sardine, 
anchovy oil, a cod liver oil, a 

482
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800
calamari oil, etcetera. 
But yeah, those are very, very 

483
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,520
important topics within the 
anti-inflammatory discussion. 

484
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:03,960
So I, I'm actually so stinking 
excited to edit. 

485
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,600
I, I did a, it's like a master 
class with Judah Feitel from 

486
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Nordic Natural for the podcast. 
And so he gave me, I don't know,

487
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,080
it was well over an hour and all
we talked about was omegas. 

488
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,520
And I'm so excited to get that 
edited, but. 

489
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,960
That is going to be so good, 
like from an omega-3, you know, 

490
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720
expert, you know, a fatty acid 
expert. 

491
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Like that is really valuable 
information because there's 

492
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,800
still so much that people don't 
know and that even doctors don't

493
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,400
know. 
And so getting that kind of, you

494
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680
know, knowledgeable information 
out there is going to be 

495
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520
awesome. 
I know I'm really excited 

496
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,360
because I mean, we went over 
like everything I could think 

497
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,320
of, including like not using 
pump bottles, not using plastic,

498
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,840
like all of the things the. 
Duration and the oxidation and 

499
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280
you know all of that, the 
sourcing, but as well also as 

500
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,920
the, you know, the methods, the 
cold pressing, the storage, 

501
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,160
etcetera, etcetera. 
That is wonderful because it's, 

502
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,080
it's, it's such important 
information. 

503
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
I mean, if we're going to give 
fish oils, let's do it right 

504
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
because there's a lot of fish 
oils on the market that are 

505
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,160
downright harmful. 
And then even if you pick a good

506
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,760
one and it's not in a glass 
bottle or it's in a pump, or 

507
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600
it's not stored right and 
refrigerated, then you're 

508
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,240
actually doing more harm to your
pet's body or your own body than

509
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
than helping it. 
So that's a key, you know, key 

510
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,880
factor. 
So I want to shift a little bit 

511
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,280
towards what you think are going
to be some of the best things 

512
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,000
for pet parents to consider and 
think about when if they 

513
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,520
actually get this diagnosis. 
And I think one, we have a 

514
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
couple of other questions that 
can kind of lead us in that 

515
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000
direction. 
So Lauren with Girls Gone Well 

516
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Pet Health joined and she says 
that she has a friend whose dog 

517
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,320
was recently diagnosed with mast
cell cancer after having a large

518
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400
lump removed. 
There's no other lumps they can 

519
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360
find currently, but she knows 
that mast cell behaves very, 

520
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,120
very differently. 
So they've already discussed an 

521
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
anti-inflammatory diet, 
supplements, full spectrum CBD, 

522
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,560
which we haven't talked about 
yet. 

523
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
I know what else. 
I think she said one more other 

524
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520
thing. 
Oh, she was saying that yeah, 

525
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,520
utilizing that fasting feeding 
window has been very, very 

526
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,440
helpful for her seniors 
especially. 

527
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480
But I know mast cell does behave
very, very differently. 

528
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,240
And one of the things that I am,
I know me as an expert, I'm 

529
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,320
going to leave this up to you, 
but one of the things I know 

530
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,000
with mast cell is that I'm like 
hyper focused on reducing the 

531
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,240
histamines, right, with that one
specifically. 

532
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Right, reducing histamines. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

533
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000
I mean, that's the hallmark of 
mast cell, you know, cancer is 

534
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,960
that these tumors are releasing 
mast cells histamine. 

535
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:07,000
Sorry, I'll grab her. 
No worries, we say. 

536
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,720
We're chiming in with with dog 
voice. 

537
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,240
That's awesome, Shaq. 
I I would love to contribute to 

538
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080
this conversation. 
I know. 

539
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Sweetheart. 
That's perfect. 

540
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,000
So yeah, mast cells are, you 
know, very different and that's,

541
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,240
you know, kind of a little 
category on its own of things to

542
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,360
do, but definitely focusing on 
anything that is reducing 

543
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
histamine release. 
And there are several natural 

544
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,200
things and many people are aware
of quercetin, you know, which is

545
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360
a bioflavonoid that is 
naturally, you know, 

546
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,480
antihistamine. 
There are other things like beta

547
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,480
sterols and you know, the beta 
thyme product that I carry, 

548
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
which has thymus gland and beta 
sterols, which helps to reduce 

549
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,200
histamine and mast cell release.
So that's a nice product as 

550
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,720
well. 
I also really often times for 

551
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440
mast cell tumors, I will tap 
into Chinese herbs. 

552
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,440
That's a really good category to
bring up for that one for blood 

553
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,680
based tumors. 
But all the other things that 

554
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,960
we've talked about are also, you
know, key in that. 

555
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280
And and you know, some of the 
other anti-inflammatory 

556
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
supplements that you know, we 
didn't discuss yet. 

557
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,880
We can sort of segue over to 
that because Lauren brought up 

558
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:26,680
the CBD and cannabinoids, which 
is such a good plant medicine 

559
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,560
category to tap into for many 
things, but certainly for 

560
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
cancer. 
And we know that cannabinoids 

561
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,600
have direct anti tumor benefits,
but also anti-inflammatory 

562
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,040
benefits supporting, you know, 
it's adaptogen supporting, you 

563
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,880
know, immune support, supporting
the overall well-being. 

564
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320
So that's something that could 
be added in for certainly mast 

565
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,120
cell cancer, but any obviously 
cancer. 

566
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Other very well known but 
really, really helpful things 

567
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,120
are things like curcumin, 
turmeric, mushrooms, superstar, 

568
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
obviously category of 
supplements and superfoods. 

569
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,960
So any of the medicinal 
mushrooms are wonderful, but 

570
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,640
some of the common players that 
people would be thinking of for 

571
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760
cancer would be Turkey tail, 
Cordyceps. 

572
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:19,120
But Shiitake Mataki, you know, 
all of those Lion's mane, you 

573
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440
know, Chaga, all of them. 
But Cordyceps and Turkey tail 

574
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,840
really come to to forefront for 
me, for, you know, for, for this

575
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,160
conversation. 
But really, blends are a good 

576
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
way to go. 
And so that's. 

577
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,320
One of the things that I often 
forget but somehow popped in my 

578
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,720
head just now is to not overlook
the liver support because the 

579
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
liver has to process all of 
these things. 

580
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680
And I know that since you 
brought up mushrooms. 

581
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,360
Oyster mushrooms actually if I 
remember correctly from Lee 

582
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Carroll was telling me oyster 
mushrooms have the highest ergo 

583
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,240
theanine levels, which is really
really great for liver support 

584
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,760
and flushing. 
Absolutely, Yeah. 

585
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,840
I talked a lot about ergo and 
how important that component is.

586
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,960
And I love that you brought up 
liver support because I, you 

587
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,639
know, I'm, I'm selective in each
time I meet with pet parents, so

588
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,960
I'm not overwhelming them with 
too long of a list of 

589
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
recommendations because again, 
we have so many tools in our 

590
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120
toolbox, which is exciting, but 
it can be a little overwhelming 

591
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,679
when we're talking about numbers
of supplements to add in. 

592
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920
But I always am considering 
liver support honestly with any 

593
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239
chronic condition, but certainly
with cancer too. 

594
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,560
And a step further is if they 
are, if the pet parent is going 

595
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,280
to pursue any conventional 
therapy, certainly 

596
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,639
chemotherapies or even, you 
know, Prednisone or these other 

597
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,679
things that are 
immunosuppressants that are used

598
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,920
in a cancer protocol. 
Definitely we want to bring in 

599
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,800
some liver support. 
But even if, you know, we're 

600
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,719
just doing integrative and 
holistic tools, then liver 

601
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,120
support is still a good thing to
be on the list. 

602
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Absolutely. 
Good, good mention. 

603
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,760
Lauren says she's currently 
chopping oyster and lion's mane 

604
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,240
as we speak. 
Who? 

605
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Is that I saw she made a run to 
like somebody growing them 

606
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,640
locally near her and she's doing
some sort of fun holiday treat. 

607
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,160
So excited to see what that's 
going to be. 

608
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:28,800
But so if you had unlimited time
to speak with a pet parent in 

609
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:35,480
your clinic and you had to give 
them a cancer diagnosis for 

610
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,280
their dog, what would be the 
first things that you want them 

611
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,080
to start thinking about? 
Or do you want them to start? 

612
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,520
They do you want them to like 
take some time to process, clear

613
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,640
their head, wrap their emotions 
around it all and then start 

614
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,800
looking at like a checklist. 
How do you how would you handle 

615
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
that? 
Yeah, that's such a great 

616
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,680
question, Jessica. 
And, you know, it really is so 

617
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,480
individual because everybody's 
different people react and 

618
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,720
respond differently to, you 
know, this type of information. 

619
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,080
Somebody that's had a pet with 
cancer already that's sort of 

620
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,600
been through this might have a 
very different reaction to 

621
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
somebody where this is just, you
know, completely unknown 

622
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,280
territory for them. 
One of my first questions for 

623
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,720
people would be, you know, are 
they interested in pursuing any 

624
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,240
conventional therapy? 
And they're, you know, different

625
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,520
cancers respond differently. 
I mean, there are some cancers 

626
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,840
that we know, like conventional 
therapy is really, there's not a

627
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,360
lot of options. 
And for most of those, you know,

628
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,520
to, to, to excuse me to the 
degree that I'm familiar with, I

629
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,600
will support people with that. 
Like in my experience, this type

630
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,880
of cancer, you know, probably 
wouldn't respond well to 

631
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
conventional therapies, but 
there are some that do respond 

632
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,120
relatively well. 
And so I always get because 

633
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,360
everybody's different. 
And so I always get that take. 

634
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Do you want to at least know 
your options from the 

635
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,920
conventional side? 
My recommendation is to at least

636
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,320
have a consultation with a 
veterinary oncologist. 

637
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
If you could get in with 
somebody like Doctor Pope, who 

638
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
is an integrative veterinary 
oncologist, I mean, 110% that's 

639
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,000
what I would do. 
But I can guide people with a 

640
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920
lot of the integrative side of 
things. 

641
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,240
And so I like to remind them 
that there's options and that we

642
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,040
can pull in some conventional or
completely, you know, not use 

643
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,080
that at all and delve into 
either way. 

644
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080
What I love to tell people is 
whether you're doing 

645
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
conventional or not, all the 
tools that we have on the 

646
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,280
integrative and holistic side 
are going to be useful. 

647
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,840
And we can just see, you know, 
what works for your dog in their

648
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,280
regimen. 
And so, and then the other thing

649
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,000
that I really like to share with
people to alleviate some of the 

650
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,280
emotional burden is that we 
have, we all have this notion. 

651
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,320
I think doctor Kendra Pope said 
this in one of her recent talks 

652
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,880
where we visualize and think in 
our mindset, we hate cancer. 

653
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,520
We hate cancer cells. 
We want to get rid of them. 

654
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,080
We got to fight the cancer. 
We got to get rid of the cancer.

655
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,560
And although we do really want 
to get rid of the cancer, that 

656
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,280
would be great. 
And sometimes that is 

657
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,080
achievable, but there's also a 
really good mindset of 

658
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,760
acceptance sometimes in that 
let's support the pet to live 

659
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200
well with cancer. 
If it's not something that we 

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,600
can get rid of, you know, if 
it's liver cancer or whatever 

661
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,880
and we can't, you know, resect 
it or surgery is not an option 

662
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,560
or whatever, that there are a 
lot of, you know, circumstances 

663
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,320
where pets or humans can live 
well with cancer in the body. 

664
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,280
And that is still an amazing 
win. 

665
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,760
And I've had so many patients 
that have lived far beyond 

666
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920
expectations that maybe their 
cancer never went away, but they

667
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,440
lived for months or even years 
longer than projected with 

668
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,480
cancer, you know? 
And they're still running around

669
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,800
chasing squirrels. 
And it's like, Oh my gosh, you 

670
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080
know, they're living with cancer
and they're doing it damn well, 

671
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560
you know? 
And so it's nice to know that 

672
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,600
there is power to do that too. 
Even if we can't eradicate the 

673
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,840
cancer doesn't mean that the pet
is doomed from quality of life 

674
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
from the get go. 
Yeah, well, two things there 

675
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
that I thought of. 1 is that the
dog doesn't know that it has 

676
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,160
cancer. 
You're the one that knows, 

677
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320
right? 
So let them be, let them live 

678
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,920
their life, be happy, do all the
things as much as they can, as 

679
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,760
long as they can. 
But also kind of circling back 

680
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,760
to what you said at the 
beginning is that we all have 

681
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520
cancer cells in us all the time 
anyway. 

682
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,960
So living with it isn't an 
extreme thought. 

683
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Like once it gets to there's a 
point where our body isn't able 

684
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,720
to, you know, it's, it's, it's 
proliferating at a point where 

685
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,480
our body hasn't been able to 
contain it, mitigate it, keep it

686
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440
in check. 
Like that's the reality of it 

687
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,800
versus one day you didn't have 
cancer and the next day you do. 

688
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Like that's. 
Not exactly right? 

689
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,440
Exactly. 
And there are certain cancers 

690
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,040
obviously, that are known to be 
more aggressive and, you know, 

691
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,080
more rapid in their progression 
and things like that. 

692
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,000
But there's always individual 
variability. 

693
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,000
And so I always try and retain 
the most optimism because we 

694
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,960
often see stuff, you know, we 
often see better outcomes than 

695
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,640
are projected. 
But you know, I just guide 

696
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,040
people the best I can with the 
experience that I have of how 

697
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:35,280
certain cancers tend to, you 
know, tend to act, but always 

698
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,600
with optimism that the tools we 
have are almost always going to 

699
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,720
get the pet not only more 
longevity, but importantly, more

700
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,960
quality. 
And, and actually, Jessica, on 

701
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,840
many occasions, which is so 
exciting. 

702
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,720
I've had people come to me if 
they weren't doing holistic 

703
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,560
already for their pet, 
especially, and they come 

704
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,320
looking for holistic or 
integrative care for their pet 

705
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
because their pets been 
diagnosed with cancer. 

706
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,040
I've had many pet, many patients
over the years where literally 

707
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,120
3, six months down the line 
after the cancer diagnosis, the 

708
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,280
pet parents are like, my dog is 
healthier now than they were 

709
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,040
freaking two years ago before 
the cancer, you know, and so 

710
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,880
that can happen too. 
And again, you know, 

711
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,960
everything's different and, and 
rates of things can or you know,

712
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,280
rapid movement of things can be 
different, but that happens 

713
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,160
enough times to where it's so 
rewarding. 

714
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,320
Yeah. 
Well, and it is kind of a sad 

715
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,200
thing to think like we have to 
have something oftentimes, not 

716
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480
always, but oftentimes we have 
to have something so horrible 

717
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,120
happen to lead us down this road
to find all of these wonderful 

718
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,680
things and and bring us back 
really to to nature because what

719
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,720
we're doing right now is the 
experiment that is failing. 

720
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,960
But also like I really, they 
like to look at it as everything

721
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,200
is a lesson in life and some 
lessons are harder than others. 

722
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,640
But it's all here. 
It's all designed to, you know, 

723
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:09,120
teach us to make us better. 
And that dog that got cancer, 

724
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,600
that dog that maybe didn't live 
as long as you had hoped or had 

725
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,800
some other disease and you 
really went through it like you 

726
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,240
were really drug through the 
wringer. 

727
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,480
But it taught you so much. 
And maybe that dog was brought 

728
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
here because now you have all 
these other dogs you're going to

729
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,960
have later on in your life that 
you're going to do so much 

730
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,560
better for because you've 
learned so much with that dog. 

731
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
And I just, I, I like to look at
things that way. 

732
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,000
Beautifully said. 
I I do as well and it really is 

733
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,440
accurate, but it's, it's sort of
a, an overall picture, a big 

734
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,600
picture that sometimes people 
aren't seeing. 

735
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120
So it's beautiful to to bring 
that up because IA 100% agree. 

736
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,440
You know, everything that 
happens to us or you know, 

737
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,040
alongside of us that we learn 
through allows us to do better 

738
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,760
as we move forward and, you 
know, help more pets and help 

739
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,640
ourselves and help other family 
members. 

740
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,840
I mean, we really just such 
growth and sex, such expansion, 

741
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,040
every time we go through an 
unwanted or a painful process, 

742
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,240
you know, we reach new heights 
and you know, a lot of times it 

743
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,720
gives us more, more purpose and 
more motivation to, you know, 

744
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,120
learn more and take different 
actions, make different 

745
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,200
decisions. 
And that's a that's an 

746
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,520
empowering thing. 
It is, it is. 

747
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,360
I think so much of what we 
talked about today is very, I 

748
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,520
mean, just like I said at the 
very beginning, like 

749
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:44,560
understanding that 90 plus 
percent of this is lifestyle is 

750
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,080
diet, exercise, removing toxins 
from the air, from the water, 

751
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:56,520
from your home is so empowering.
And like a lot of times when we 

752
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,320
talk about cancer, it seems like
such a sad thing to talk about 

753
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,520
and such a like melancholy like 
we got to talk about cancer now.

754
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,200
But like looking at in in that 
there is so much that we 

755
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:17,360
actually can do to create 
positive change in our lives and

756
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,000
our pets lives like that's. 
It is. 

757
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,880
It's nice to tap into that 
strength, you know, aspect 

758
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,840
because, you know, knowledge is 
power and we're learning so much

759
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
about how these things that 
we're discussing today, how much

760
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,600
impact they truly have. 
And you know, once we know that,

761
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,720
then you know it, it's, it's 
much more enjoyable to take 

762
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,600
those action steps because we 
know we're really making a 

763
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
difference for our pets and 
ourselves. 

764
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,840
Yeah, and I'm glad. 
So I want to, I want you to talk

765
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200
about, you know, you cuz you do,
you mentioned you do telehealth 

766
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,000
and online things. 
You have an online store. 

767
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,120
I want you to talk about all of 
that. 

768
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,120
But really quickly you brought 
up Doctor Mindy Peltz, who I 

769
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,800
absolutely love. 
I'm actually so I read fast like

770
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,760
a girl, I don't know, like two 
years ago. 

771
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
And it has made such a huge 
difference in my life to fast 

772
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,960
like a girl, not just fast, but 
fast like a girl. 

773
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
And I'm currently reading Eat 
like a Girl. 

774
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:22,160
And it's just so like so amazing
the things that we can do for 

775
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480
our bodies and how much control 
we have over them. 

776
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,720
And another account that I would
really love people to pay some 

777
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,640
attention to because I think it 
ties so much into what you're 

778
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:41,040
talking about with how it's all 
connected and how our health, 

779
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,640
our, our dog's health, we say 
our, you know, our pets health 

780
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
kind of mirror our human health.
I think it's probably a lot 

781
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,040
worse actually in our pets. 
But our health is a reflection 

782
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,080
of the health of the earth, of 
the planet. 

783
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Doctor Callie Means talks a lot 
about that. 

784
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480
So if I could put people on to 
like following her as well, I 

785
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,440
think that's a really incredible
resource to learn more about the

786
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,920
interconnectedness of us all. 
Yes. 

787
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,480
And cleaning everything up. 
Cleaning up. 

788
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Not just ourselves, not just our
pets, but cleaning up the earth,

789
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,240
cleaning up. 
Absolutely. 

790
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
And I'm so glad you spent a 
moment, you know, bringing 

791
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
those, you know, experts into 
the conversation to. 

792
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,400
There's such not only leading 
authorities on the on these 

793
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,720
topics, but, you know, they're, 
they're so helpful and, you 

794
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,800
know, so supportive in getting 
these messages and this 

795
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,840
information to people so that we
can, you know, take these action

796
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,120
steps to to help ourselves and, 
and really collectively, then 

797
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,560
therefore the planet and the and
the population. 

798
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,840
And so phenomenal resources. 
And yeah, I'm, you know, reading

799
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,080
both books. 
I follow her podcasts and 

800
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
everything from Doctor Mindy 
Pals and Doctor Means as well. 

801
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,520
So really good, really good 
resources all the way around. 

802
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,440
So we talked a little bit. 
You are in San Diego County, but

803
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,280
you do telehealth. 
So we're like, what kind of 

804
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,120
things can you offer to pet 
parents who may not be in 

805
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,720
California at all? 
Yeah, thank you for asking. 

806
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,880
So really, I would say 
surprisingly, although I'm not 

807
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,200
surprised anymore, but 
surprisingly for a lot of 

808
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,320
people, a lot of pet parents, 
telehealth or telemedicine is 

809
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,280
remarkably useful and effective.
I have assisted, supported 

810
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,080
hundreds and hundreds, I mean 
thousands of pets literally 

811
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,800
without ever seeing them in 
person because, you know, 

812
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,720
usually from a holistic or 
integrative standpoint. 

813
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,760
Oftentimes my biggest value to 
people is to help support them 

814
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,280
with a plan of action. 
That plan can include dietary 

815
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,240
changes, it can include 
supplements, it can include 

816
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,600
testing like vitamin D and 
omega-3, that sort of thing. 

817
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,160
You know, even with when people 
come to me locally, because I 

818
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,440
specialize in holistic, I always
tell people you still need to 

819
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440
have a primary veterinarian. 
You still need to have a 

820
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,280
veterinarian that does General 
Services because I don't offer 

821
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,800
those. 
You know, I'm very specialized 

822
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,720
and streamlined. 
So when it comes to 

823
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,840
telemedicine, all of my, you 
know, clients would have a 

824
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,800
primary veterinarian and 
sometimes specialists, obviously

825
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,040
sometimes numerous specialists, 
you know, they'll have a 

826
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,600
cardiologist and a dermatologist
and an oncologist, etcetera. 

827
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,360
But in conventional medicine, I 
think a lot of us are aware of 

828
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,800
the fact that there's rarely a 
doctor on the the healthcare 

829
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200
team of a person or a pet that's
overseeing everything. 

830
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,200
You know, you have all these 
specialists and you know, and, 

831
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,520
and for somebody to sort of put 
that all together and customize 

832
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,280
a plan of action and a Wellness 
support plan for that individual

833
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,640
is so valuable. 
And so I get to be that, you 

834
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,680
know, that person and provide 
that value. 

835
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,160
And I take, you know, all the 
records, you know, all the 

836
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
records that get sent to me from
any of the veterinarians that 

837
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
these pets have seen. 
And I've got all the 

838
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,120
documentation of the physical 
exams or any labs that were 

839
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,240
done. 
And I assess all of that and 

840
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,480
then meet with the pet parent, 
go through a very detailed 

841
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,360
discussion together on Zoom or 
on the phone, and then help to 

842
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,320
formulate a plan of action. 
Where do we go next from here? 

843
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,560
And then generally, if there's a
lot of significant stuff going 

844
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
off, it's just a little 
preventative health, you know, 

845
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,480
information then, you know, 
people can just tap back into me

846
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,200
as needed. 
But often times, of course, 

847
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,240
people are finding me because 
their pet has a, you know, 

848
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:48,840
condition or a chronic 
condition. 

849
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,840
And so in those kinds of cases 
then, but I really like to, you 

850
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,520
know, inform people of the, the 
outcome is generally going to be

851
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,440
much better when we can do 
follow up. 

852
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,120
So those are important as well 
is to, you know, check back in 

853
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,000
every month or two until the pet
is doing better. 

854
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,400
And that can, you know, 
obviously vary, but it is it is 

855
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,200
really amazing how telemedicine 
works for this. 

856
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Well, I think it's amazing that 
you're doing it because as you 

857
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,040
mentioned, there isn't that, 
like generally speaking, that 

858
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,840
one person that's overseeing at 
all. 

859
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,360
I know so many people. 
I mean, I have multiple 

860
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,640
veterinarians for healthy 
animals. 

861
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,080
So like, I, I mean, I feel 
empowered that I know enough 

862
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,640
that I kind of manage it all and
I can manage between all of it. 

863
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,520
But most parents, it's just not 
like you've got your job, you've

864
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,640
got your kids, you're running 
around, you've got all these 

865
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,560
things right? 
Like you. 

866
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,040
How do you have the time, the 
bandwidth, the capacity to 

867
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,680
handle all that, to manage all 
that, especially if your pet is 

868
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,080
dealing with some sort of 
chronic illness? 

869
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:05,000
And so having somebody who can 
manage all of that and steer you

870
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:11,080
in the right direction that hope
hopefully a more, you know, 

871
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,200
holistic approach or at least 
integrative. 

872
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Approach to I love how you said 
that it is really steering 

873
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,240
people in the right direction 
and either pulling in tools and 

874
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,880
recommendations from the 
integrative holistic realm and 

875
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,840
on occasion steering them to a 
specialist that their pet needs.

876
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,160
You know, does your pet need a, 
a cardiac ultrasound or an 

877
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,200
echocardiogram so that we really
know what's going on so that we 

878
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,840
can affect your pet best from a 
holistic angle and or 

879
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
conventional angle? 
Or do they need an internal 

880
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,600
medicine specialist for some 
diagnostics to get us, you know,

881
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,040
holistic and integrative people?
We love testing and you know, 

882
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,440
anytime we got information from 
testing, we can be more valuable

883
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,880
to that pet to support them with
what they need in a customized 

884
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,880
plan. 
So a lot of times it is just 

885
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,360
steering them in the right 
direction and supporting them 

886
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,200
from a broad scope of all that 
information being, you know, put

887
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,480
together. 
So, well, where can people find 

888
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,640
you to engage in? 
This so on our website 

889
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:18,880
whichisintthatcare.com, so 
INTVET care.com int that care is

890
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,560
also our social media. 
We have int that care and then 

891
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Dr. Katie Kangas and then I also
just started my own product line

892
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,800
after all these years. 
I've been wanting to do this for

893
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,800
quite some time and just started
my own product line and that 

894
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
company is called Share Your 
Bowl. 

895
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,960
And the premises behind that is 
that the products that I'm 

896
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:47,880
creating really are, you know, 
indicated or appropriate for 

897
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,480
people as well as pets. 
So, and that was sort of born 

898
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,960
out of, you know, all this, all 
the years that my team heard me 

899
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,120
saying, Oh, you know, this is 
great for your pet. 

900
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
This is made for pets, but it 
works really well for people 

901
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,000
too. 
So feel free to, you know, share

902
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,440
this with your dog or hey, this 
is made for humans, but we use 

903
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,400
it in pets. 
So feel free to share with your 

904
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,000
pet and you know, the food and 
all the stuff that you know, 

905
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,760
they, we recommend for them that
we should be eating the bone 

906
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,040
broth and the fermented foods 
and all these sort of things. 

907
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,360
So that's where Share Your Bowl 
was born with that concept. 

908
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,440
And we have several products 
including homeopathy, dental and

909
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,200
gingival care. 
More products coming, but we 

910
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,880
just released some healthy spice
blends that are for dogs and 

911
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,760
humans. 
And you can shake them on your 

912
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,560
food and then shake them in your
dog's bowl. 

913
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,120
And we have a turmeric 
anti-inflammatory blend. 

914
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,480
And these, by the way, those 
spices have sprouted superfoods 

915
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,000
in them. 
So sprouted from chia seed and 

916
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,240
hemp seed and sunflower seed, 
etcetera, to all kinds of, you 

917
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,800
know, medicinal herbs and 
spices. 

918
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,400
And they're so tasty. 
So it's really fun for people to

919
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,760
try them or use them I should 
say too. 

920
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,800
But as soon as you taste them, 
like, Oh my God, I'm totally 

921
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,160
using this. 
And then we also have a black 

922
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,280
truffle, you know, blend that is
our antioxidant blend because 

923
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,440
like mushrooms have, the truffle
has a lot of antioxidant 

924
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,360
medicinal properties too. 
That's so exciting I I need this

925
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,000
more than my pets do. 
And I, you know, and, and the 

926
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,680
fun thing about that particular,
those products is that I've had 

927
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,040
so many people tell me over the 
years, you know, I, I home cook 

928
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,920
for my pet or I prepare my pet's
food. 

929
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120
But you know, I'm, I, I never 
add spices and I never and you 

930
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,960
know, most of our community 
already knows this from 

931
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,760
wonderful resources like forever
dog and the the new, you know, 

932
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,560
cookbook as well. 
But let's you know, there's no 

933
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,080
reason to avoid spices like 
they're, you know, a problem for

934
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,000
pet food. 
They're actually very medicinal 

935
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,280
and you know that there's 
occasions where you might need 

936
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,600
to feed bland for, you know, 
certain temporary things. 

937
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,080
But in general, I think spices 
are very under, you know, 

938
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,760
recognized amazing health tool 
that can not only enhance health

939
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,600
but enhance flavor. 
And it's just so much, so much 

940
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,920
more fun. 
Yes, it is fun to play around 

941
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,760
with the bowl and I products 
that I can use on me and my dog 

942
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,960
and my cats. 
Those are my favorite, hands 

943
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,520
down. 
They are my favorite. 

944
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:27,040
I go for them before anything at
like there are certain ones. 

945
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,120
I remember back in July at 
Nautical Dog, we were talking 

946
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,600
about the two Crazy Cat Ladies 
product line and they are like I

947
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,320
I swear by their product line 
because I literally will use 

948
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,200
every pretty much every single 
item they have for me and my dog

949
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,440
and my cat. 
Isn't that great? 

950
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,240
Yep, I love that too. 
Seriously. 

951
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,120
You know, I'm putting Sages bowl
together. 

952
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,520
It's like some for you, some for
me. 

953
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,960
Here's your mushrooms. 
Here's my mushrooms. 

954
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,240
Here's you know, so yeah, it's a
beautiful concept of, you know, 

955
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,320
that for full circle health in 
the family and you know, really 

956
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,240
just joining in that connection 
is, you know, and then and then 

957
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,520
just the love in sharing it too.
And that intention that goes 

958
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,640
into it just helps all the more 
vibrationally for our health and

959
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,040
our pets health. 
And I know I gotta let you go, 

960
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,120
but just because I brought up 
Williamsburg, I know you're 

961
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,160
going to be speaking next year 
at the More You Know Pet 

962
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Wellness Summit and I'm super 
excited to see you there again. 

963
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,640
I. 
Know I'm looking. 

964
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,880
Forward to. 
I do not. 

965
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,280
So Amanda Wilburn and I will 
have that conversation. 

966
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,840
I'm not sure. 
I may. 

967
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Well, I don't. 
I don't want to say. 

968
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,640
I guess I'll wait so that it's a
surprise. 

969
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:41,480
Yeah. 
So. 

970
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480
She'll probably like announce it
on a live or something. 

971
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,840
Going through a couple different
topics and I'll let her decide. 

972
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Yeah, awesome. 
Well, I can't wait. 

973
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,520
And I just want to thank you so 
much for your time, for your 

974
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,240
knowledge, for being so willing 
to put this information out for 

975
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,600
pet parents and for everything 
that you're doing. 

976
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:00,400
Thank you. 
So. 

977
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,880
Thank you and thank you for, you
know, being a conduit for 

978
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,880
getting this information out, 
and I'm so happy to join you. 

979
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,600
Thank you, Jessica. 
Well guys, if you have any other

980
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,280
questions feel free to DM me. 
And please, if you don't 

981
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240
already, follow Doctor Katie 
Kangas. 

982
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,520
She has all of the all of the 
links in vet care, Doctor Katie 

983
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,280
Kangas and share your bowl, 
share your bowl, check them all 

984
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,520
out. 
And thank you again so much. 

985
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,040
You guys have a wonderful rest 
of your day. 

986
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,160
You, everyone.