1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,560 Welcome to the Pet Parenting Reset podcast. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,640 If you're new here, my name is Jess and this is a space where 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,320 we talk about all things health, span, and quality of life for 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,160 your pets and you too. I'm so excited that you're here. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Let's dive in. Welcome back, pet parent I There 6 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,759 has been a question that has been etched in my brain for so 7 00:00:32,759 --> 00:00:37,640 many years, and it's a pretty confronting question. 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,400 And that is that should we all have dogs? 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,200 And one of the things that I remember seeing way, way back, I 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,680 don't want to date myself too much, but when I was doing 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,920 rescue work was that every dog deserves a home, but not every 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,000 home deserves a dog. And I think people kind of can 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,280 take that differently depending on how that might hit you when 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,640 you hear it. For me, it means just being able 15 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,080 to give the dog quality of life. Even though we talk a lot about 16 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,920 food and nutrition and holistic health and all of the things on 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,040 this podcast, to me, ultimately a fed dog is better than a 18 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 starving dog. But being able to provide your 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,680 dog just the the things they need to thrive in life, to have 20 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,720 a quality of life. That's all I think of when I 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,400 when I hear that question, but it can be very confronting to a 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,320 lot of people. And so when I got an e-mail from 23 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:39,440 today's guest asking to come on the show, at first I was like, I 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,960 have no idea how we're going to make this work. 25 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,040 But I think it's an important topic to talk about how to 26 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,280 choose a dog for your family or for you if if you're alone and 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,120 there are lots of different homes, there are lots of 28 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,240 different situations and circumstances. 29 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,960 And do you, do you have kids? Do you have pets? 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,760 You know, what do you have time for? 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,600 There's there's so many questions. 32 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,199 So before we get started into that conversation, I'd like to 33 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,400 welcome Seth on to the podcast. Thank you so much for being 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,440 here. I wish, I wish there was a way 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,960 to just like include dogs in the podcast, but. 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,840 They no wouldn't that. Be Fun doesn't come across on a 37 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,400 podcast very well. Yeah, yeah. 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,840 Thanks for having me. I appreciate you letting me. 39 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,880 Come on. Yeah. 40 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,920 So you reached out because of your dog, Dutch. 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,640 Yeah. And you are a farmer in 42 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:36,120 Wisconsin. And before we get into the topic 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,440 of today's conversation, one of the things that you put in your 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,640 profile that you sent to me was that you are working on your 45 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:49,800 farm to restore, restore the health of the land. 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,480 And that's also something that I talk about on this podcast. 47 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,520 It's harder to to find guests to come on to talk about that. 48 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,000 I think it's, it's kind of sad that we have to label it 49 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,720 regenerative farming, like we have to label organic apples or 50 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,240 you know what it like that should just be an apple and the 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,800 other thing should have to have the labels on. 52 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,520 But I'd love to just start off by because I think you were you, 53 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,080 you probably started your farm before you got Dutch. 54 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,720 So before we get into Dutch and how that came about, can you 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,320 just break down for me like what, what is your overall goal? 56 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,080 What are you trying to do with the farm? 57 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:37,720 Yeah, well, we, we wanted to, I wanted to be a grazer, you know, 58 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,600 somebody who brings the animals out and has them out on pasture 59 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,680 because a lot of people do what's called setstock grazing, 60 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,520 which is harmful for the soil, which makes it harder for the 61 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,440 the soil or for grass to infiltrate into the ground. 62 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:01,440 And I think we, we treat the ground very poorly and not like 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,880 a, like something that we can extract versus something that 64 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:10,600 we, that we should have a relationship with to, to pour 65 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,680 into. We extract rather than pour 66 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,640 into. And I thought, this is nobody's 67 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,440 doing this. And, and I, I want to be 68 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,959 somebody that's helping the soil. 69 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:24,960 And so I got goats and we, and we said, OK, I'm going to, I'm 70 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,920 going to make soap. I'm going to make goat milk 71 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,360 soap. And what I realized as I had 72 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:37,920 more goats is that there are, they have to go in and out every 73 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,760 day to pasture or else it's, it's just not great. 74 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,520 And moving them from this place to that place is difficult. 75 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,480 It's it's it's not. Turns out there are herders for 76 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,520 a reason. And what does the herder do? 77 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,400 The herder has a dog. I, I learned this. 78 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,440 I tried with a bell and it worked OK, but I thought, Oh my 79 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,520 goodness, as we have more animals, the bell is just not 80 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:13,800 going to work. And so, so he is my dog Dutch. 81 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:21,720 He helps us actually do what we need to do to get the goats from 82 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,360 the barn out to the pasture. And I mean, as far as 83 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,560 regenerating the soil goes, you know, we couldn't, we couldn't 84 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,200 do it with our goats without him. 85 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,720 So he he plays a huge role and I'm very thankful for him. 86 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:42,040 Yeah, I just in case anybody listening is like, what the heck 87 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,720 are you talking about? What what kind of farming are 88 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,840 you referring to? I had, I was very fortunate to 89 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:54,200 have Ian Somerhalder on the podcast a while back when the 90 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,720 second documentary came out. The first one was called Kiss 91 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,560 the Ground and the second one is called Comic. 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,560 I think I got that right one. Yeah, one of them is called Kiss 93 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,000 the Ground. One of them is called Common 94 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,240 Ground. And it really outlines exactly 95 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,960 how we are killing our like, if our topsoil is dead, the planet 96 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,760 is dead, and how so much of the topsoil around the globe is 97 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,160 dead. And regenerative farmers are 98 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,080 bringing that back to life through working with, just like 99 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,440 you said, like there's a symbiotic relationship between 100 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,320 US and the Earth, and that includes the soil and all of the 101 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,320 organisms living in the soil. And so if, if you are interested 102 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,840 in that, I would, I would suggest checking out those two 103 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,640 documentaries because for me, and I, I don't say this lightly, 104 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,320 because I watch, you know, I, I have to consume a lot to be able 105 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,720 to produce a lot so that I know what I'm talking about or at 106 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,640 least start to know what I'm talking about. 107 00:06:54,280 --> 00:06:58,040 And those two documentaries changed the way I look at 108 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,680 everything else because something as simple as dirt, 109 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,080 which I don't know about you, I mean, hopefully you didn't. 110 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,360 I grew up in the city thinking, Oh my gosh, dirt. 111 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:15,040 Like I don't want to be dirty, which is actually really, 112 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,160 really, really bad for us to think that way anyway. 113 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,640 So switching topics a little bit, you got Dutch and Dutch is 114 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,800 a herding dog and he works for you. 115 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,480 But it's when we talked, it kind of sounds like he is part of 116 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,320 your family as well. So can you talk to to us a 117 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,840 little bit about Dutch and what he does and then we'll kind of 118 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,600 get into selecting and providing for? 119 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:53,120 Yeah, so he is an English shepherd, which means he is, if 120 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,120 you're thinking of a border collie, he's actually kind of 121 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,760 the opposite. So border collies, when they 122 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,160 want to move an animal, they will stare at them and look 123 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,240 fierce. And then the stock decides, OK, 124 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,840 I don't want to be near this dog. 125 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,360 So they that's what's called a strong eyed you look at them 126 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,200 that the dog looks at them and is, you know, scary and 127 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,760 intimidating. Dutch is what's called a loose 128 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:26,240 eyed dog, which means he it has, which means he gets closer to 129 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,960 the stock. And so he pushes the goats more 130 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:36,280 with his physical presence, which I think is helpful for 131 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,400 goats because they tend to be more stubborn. 132 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:44,000 And so if you're if you're, if your animal was, for instance, 133 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,280 they might look at look at the border collie. 134 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,600 And I've never tried moving stock with the border or my 135 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,000 goats with the border collie. But in theory they might just 136 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,880 say, OK, you're looking at me. So what? 137 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:02,320 But so they they needed they needed somebody to kind of get 138 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,120 them going. And that's why I thought though, 139 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,520 that the herd or that the excuse me, the Lucide dog would be 140 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,480 perfect because they would respond to the physical dog 141 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:17,560 being right there. And we did. 142 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:21,920 We did a lot of training, you know, come by away to me, all 143 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:26,040 that stuff. And he's incredibly smart. 144 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,800 And it's one of those things where the, these dogs, they just 145 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,600 have something in them to where that just a natural gifting of, 146 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,400 of knowing what to do with the stock. 147 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:46,400 And so even if I'm he, he senses also, OK, we're trying to 148 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,040 accomplish this goal. We're trying to get the, the, 149 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,760 the, the goats in this location. And, and he does a really good 150 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:01,360 job of assisting me. So for instance, he'll, he'll 151 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,600 even pick up on my, my hands, my hand cues of pointing this way 152 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,320 or that way, even if I don't speak, he'll be able to, you 153 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:16,440 know, go each different way. So yeah, when we, when we're out 154 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,360 on pasture, we're having a lot of fun. 155 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,400 It's, it never goes exactly the way you plan it to, but that's 156 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,400 OK because they're, they're eating grass. 157 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,320 So we don't, we don't have to stress too much about, you know, 158 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,720 how we got there just then once we're where we're at, we just 159 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,360 get to kind of relax and and have fun and yeah, and be there. 160 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,240 I think that's one of the things that that a lot of people don't 161 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,000 quite understand with their dogs. 162 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,120 And this isn't necessarily true every single breed, but probably 163 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:52,360 most breeds of dogs that they were bred to do something. 164 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,240 And it really is our responsibility to engage them 165 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,200 for whatever they were bred to do. 166 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,480 And that doesn't necessarily mean we have to go buy a farm. 167 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,120 I'm sure that that would be amazing for every dog because 168 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,720 when we look at the oldest live dogs, the one thing they have in 169 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:17,040 common is that they do spend the majority of their time outdoors. 170 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,000 And that's kind of a whole, whole other topic, but being 171 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:28,800 able to provide what your dog needs doesn't just mean food and 172 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,680 shelter. It also means being able to 173 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,120 engage their brain, being able to provide them whatever 174 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:39,720 physical exercise they need. So, you know, there are so many 175 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,960 rescue dogs out there. And I have a heart. 176 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,200 I have a big, big heart for rescue dogs. 177 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,480 A lot of rescue dogs, not all of them, but a lot of them are 178 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,760 mixed breed. And I do think it's important to 179 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:55,520 know to to use the DNA test out there to find out what mix of 180 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,680 breeds your dog is so that you can understand them better. 181 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,920 For example, one of the breeds that my dog is her two main 182 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,600 breeds. She has a lot of breeds, but her 183 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,520 two main breeds are Chihuahua and Poodle. 184 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,200 Those are two very different dogs. 185 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,840 Yeah. Very different dogs and she has 186 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:21,240 a lot more characteristics of Chihuahua when I look at her 187 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,360 personality then poodle. But I, I need to understand what 188 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,200 both of those are and what she needs. 189 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,920 And I, I just think that can be so, so important. 190 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,520 So how when you went through this process of figuring out 191 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120 what kind of dog you need, like you knew what you needed or what 192 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,480 you were looking for, what or do you have any tips for people 193 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,680 when trying to to choose what kind of dog is going to work in 194 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:51,800 their home? Yeah, I think, yeah. 195 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,920 I mean, sort of like what you were saying is it's more of a 196 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,280 responsibility. You don't and of course you're 197 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,960 going to develop an attachment to the dog and you know, our, 198 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:11,240 our our animals, they're they're it's important to like we treat 199 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,880 the soil with dignity and honor all an animal. 200 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:22,720 We need to do that as well. Well, and I'm reading right now 201 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:27,520 a book about a Joel Salatin book called The Marvelous Pigness of 202 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,800 Pigs. He's just the best. 203 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:34,960 He's awesome. I really appreciate Joel 204 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,920 Salatin. And I think maybe that that gets 205 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,560 to the dogness of dogs and, and even the poodleness of poodles, 206 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:48,600 right. And, and the considerations, 207 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,880 yeah, of OK, well, for instance, if you're going to get a dog, 208 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:57,600 think about am I living in an apartment where it's the, the 209 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,560 barking is going to be a problem? 210 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,840 Well, OK, maybe I want to rescue, but and that's well and 211 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,800 good. But if you live in an apartment 212 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:10,240 where dogs, maybe they're OK, but the barking is going to be a 213 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,800 problem for all your neighbors. Are you actually helping, you 214 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,200 know, because who knows, 3-4 months from you down the down 215 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,800 the line, maybe maybe you're going to have second thoughts 216 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:26,000 about the doubt that dog and and then maybe maybe the dog misses 217 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,800 you, right. And now they're back where they 218 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,880 were before. And now they just have one more 219 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,280 person that that kind of, you know, brought them back to the 220 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,560 shelter, which is, you know, unfortunate. 221 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:43,360 So I think, yeah, I think temperament is really important. 222 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,560 And then kind of being in a good position to where you can 223 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:56,480 provide that area to thrive where that dog can be the the 224 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 dogness of the dog, so to speak. And I think it's important to 225 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,920 know that there are there are resources available to us. 226 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,360 So if we do live in an apartment or we do, you know, we maybe 227 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:15,360 live in the city versus the country, there are facilities 228 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,360 where we can still train agility. 229 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,320 There are barn hunt facilities there. 230 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,440 There are places we can go. There are things we can do with 231 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,880 our dogs outside of, you know, scent work classes. 232 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,720 There are things that we can do for our dogs to get them out of 233 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,080 the house and and provide for them in in those ways as well. 234 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:43,640 But would you, would you think that a dog like Dutch would be 235 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,040 happy living in like a suburban neighborhood? 236 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,040 How do you see something like that going? 237 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:57,440 You know, I, I do, I do. If I if I had Dutch in a 238 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:05,680 suburban place, I would try to, I would try to have him around 239 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,960 to people because as much as he likes hurting and he likes it a 240 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:16,240 lot, he really, really loves people and playing like so fetch 241 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,480 And there are there are 1,000,000 places where you can 242 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,200 play fetch, I think if so, I think that he would be totally 243 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,320 fine not on a farm. I think he really enjoys it 244 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,920 here. But kind of like you were saying 245 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,960 with the the options for I've never heard of scent training, 246 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:38,040 but it sounds pretty cool. But I was fortunate enough to 247 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:45,640 get to go to a kind of a hurting coaching situation in 248 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,480 Minneapolis one time. And this wanted, OK, what does a 249 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,560 dog look like when they're hurting, when they're doing 250 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,400 their job? And what I found was a, a bunch 251 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,760 of people who have herding dogs that don't have a farm. 252 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,200 And I mean it, it was not a small group. 253 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:10,599 It was, I mean, 10, 10, maybe a few more people who all had dogs 254 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:17,480 and no farm and it was just really cool to see them to see 255 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,560 all their dogs in action. So I think it's definitely 256 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:27,640 doable and, and training a dog and then getting to go do that 257 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:32,600 and put them and really put them on display and allow them to, to 258 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,480 be themselves. It's it was really cool. 259 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,240 And if we could do that more, that'd be fun. 260 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,760 But but, you know, so yeah, I think, I think you could 261 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,720 definitely have a dog in a suburban area and make it work, 262 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,600 or at least a herding dog too. Yeah. 263 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,880 So I'm wondering what the process was for you to get to 264 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,760 the point that you selected Dutch. 265 00:17:54,760 --> 00:18:01,440 You obviously had a role in your family on your farm that you 266 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,520 were looking to fill. I'm wondering what that process 267 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:13,360 was like for you and how we can adapt that to any individual's 268 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,880 situation because unfortunately we just don't have that many 269 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,560 farmer. So people want dogs, but they 270 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,680 may not like. I think a lot of people, like we 271 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,720 said at the beginning, don't realize that dogs have jobs and 272 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:36,120 need jobs to, to feel fulfilled, just like we need to feel 273 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,760 fulfilled and have things to do in our lives. 274 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,560 So I'm, I'm curious how like what did that whole process look 275 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,720 like of you deciding on Dutch and then again, how we can adapt 276 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,800 that? Yeah, it was quite involved 277 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,720 once. I so I, you know, you look at, 278 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,880 OK, there's this breed and there's that breed and they're 279 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:04,000 all really cool and they're just amazing and, and eventually I 280 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,800 decided, OK, I want to go for the English Shepherd for the 281 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,000 reasons I said before the especially the loose eyed for 282 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,400 reason. But then I had to find a 283 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,720 breeder. And so I went on to, I forget, 284 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,320 there's an English Shepherd website somewhere. 285 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:32,400 And I, I just went through the list and I just, you know, 286 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,960 called, called this person, called that person, this isn't 287 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,160 going to work out. And then this one. 288 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:47,120 And eventually I had somebody say, oh, you should talk to so 289 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:52,320 and so. OK, well, so I called and sure 290 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,880 enough, she was, she had puppies and we were, and she did 291 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,160 something called she, she allowed him to be around the 292 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,320 stock to kind of get an idea of if he was going to be scared 293 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,360 around them or if he was going to be brave, which is extremely 294 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,880 important. And he was, he was brave around 295 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,720 them even as a little puppy. So that meant that he was good 296 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:20,960 enough to be, to be, to take a chance on him because now they 297 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:27,440 don't always work out. And so and so we brought him 298 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:32,400 here and. He and one of the things is that 299 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,040 you don't put one when they're really young, you don't want to 300 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,760 risk getting them scared around the stock because even if they 301 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,240 have that instinct, they might, they might get scared and then 302 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,160 they might see the stock as scary and just grow up and, and 303 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,640 just not work out. So you have to wait until the 304 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,880 dog is fast and big in order to bring them and actually start 305 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:06,280 training them with the stock. And so I think thinking about 306 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:11,240 your to answer your question, I think the thing to consider is 307 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,080 like, how would how would a person replicate what I did? 308 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,880 I think it would be being very intentional about where am I 309 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,120 getting this dog and are they going to fit in my particular 310 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:29,960 situation. So I think knowing yourself and 311 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,840 knowing what you're looking for is that's what I would say. 312 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:40,080 So if I were to be in a suburban area and I would think, OK, do I 313 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,160 like playing fetch? If I like being playing fetch, 314 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,160 OK, that helps me figure it out. OK. 315 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:50,440 Or do I want a dog that will sit with me and watch television? 316 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,720 OK, well then, you know, that effects also what I'm looking 317 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,520 for. Am I looking for a hobby? 318 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,920 You know, if I'm looking for a hobby, maybe I do want to get 319 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,680 that herding dog, you know, something to do on the weekends, 320 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,280 something like that. And, and then finding and then, 321 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,760 well, you know, once you figure out, OK, kind of what you're 322 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,080 looking for. I've only done, I've only done 323 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,520 the, I've only done it once where you find a dog. 324 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,040 And so I'm sure you probably have more experience than I do, 325 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:31,080 but finding the right person and the right situation I think is 326 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,200 important as well. If, for instance, I, I found a 327 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,400 breeder that said I typically my dogs are more for pets and it, 328 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,160 but he was right down the road and I so that would have been 329 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,160 really convenient, but I had, I had to say no to that breeder 330 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,080 because I just thought I am putting way too much. 331 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,840 I need this to go right. And so if I try to get a pet and 332 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,600 I try to make him into a herding dog and I'm just kind of setting 333 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,040 myself up for failure. So I did the hard thing and I 334 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:12,560 said I need to find a breeder that fits to my needs. 335 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,200 And so I feel like, you know what, if you're going to have a 336 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,200 dog, you're going to spend a lot of time with them. 337 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:23,120 Do what? Do the extra work to really find 338 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,440 a an animal that will really fit into your situation. 339 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,880 If you're here, it's because your pet isn't just a pet, their 340 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,960 family, and you can feel when something's off, even if the 341 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,440 labs look normal. That's why I created Wild 342 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,720 Wellness Pet and the Wild Wellness Bioenergetic Test to 343 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,840 help you see the hidden stressors your pets body is 344 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,360 quietly carrying and give you a clear, holistic starting point. 345 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,520 Head to wildwellnesspet.com to explore the Bioenergetic Test 346 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,120 and the Apothecary and take the next loving, protective, 347 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,640 proactive step for your pets healing journey. 348 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,120 Yeah, and I think, I mean, there's no one right way to go 349 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:19,640 about it. I know it, it can be easy to sit 350 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,440 back and say, oh, because again, I come from the rescue world. 351 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,280 So it can be really easy to sit back and say, oh, we don't want 352 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,640 to buy from breeders. We only want to rescue because 353 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,400 there are so many animals that, that need a home. 354 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,520 However, you know, and then this is a whole other conversation 355 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,680 that we don't need to have today. 356 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360 But choosing A breeder that you're comfortable with that is 357 00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:44,120 reputable, that isn't like a backyard breeder that is, it is 358 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,280 actually caring for their animals in a way that you're 359 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,320 comfortable with asking to see the mother and doing all those 360 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,160 things. Those are, that's again, a 361 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,400 separate conversation. I don't think necessarily that 362 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,960 wanting or needing a certain breed of dog is bad, especially 363 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,560 if you have specific circumstances that you sorry, 364 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,720 hang on just one second. Sorry, my dog was getting in the 365 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,080 cat food. So you know, if, if, if you have 366 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,840 something very specific that you are needing and looking for or 367 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,960 knowing that one of the things that I'm I'm have been very, 368 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,640 very intentional with lately is not just knowing what you don't 369 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,120 want, but actually knowing what you do want. 370 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,680 And that's a lot harder to that's a lot harder for people 371 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,720 to pinpoint. It's really, it can be very easy 372 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,960 to say, I don't want this, but OK, what do you want? 373 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,360 And so when you are very particular, you know, looking at 374 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,040 certain breeds can be very important. 375 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,720 The other thing I would say is that, you know, this is where a 376 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,160 lot of rescues shine, not all of them, but a lot of rescues 377 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 shine. And some shelters can as well 378 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,160 because they spend time with the dogs. 379 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,200 Some of them, not necessarily shelters, but rescues will DNA 380 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,800 test their dogs so they know what breeds they're working with 381 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,560 and so they know the temperament of the dogs. 382 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,040 And so if you are a person who is looking for a pet or looking 383 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:26,400 for a family pet, I know that people that have children tend 384 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,040 to have different wish lists for dogs and people who do not have 385 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,520 children, right? I mean, obviously nobody wants a 386 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,480 dog that bites, but finding a dog that has the right 387 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,160 temperament for especially young children is, is definitely going 388 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,400 to be huge on somebody's checklist if they have young 389 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,920 children. And some breeds are going to be 390 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,760 better at that than others. Some breeds are more nippy than 391 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,480 others. Again, going back to what were 392 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,920 they bred to do in the 1st place? 393 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,280 And I'll just give a little example. 394 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:04,720 My, my mom has had she, her current dog is not a specific 395 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,160 breed, but in the past she chose, she did the research when 396 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,760 I was younger, when I was growing up and she decided she 397 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,760 wanted Lakeland terriers and she had a couple of Lakeland 398 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,720 terriers. And it's was a little bit 399 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,680 confronting to my stepfather who takes so much pride in a 400 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,720 meticulous lawn that these terriers were digging up the 401 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,120 yard. Well, what are these dogs bred 402 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:37,920 to do, right? They pull animals out of their 403 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,840 holes. So of course, they're digging up 404 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,760 the yard, especially when there are like moles and bulls in the 405 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,040 yard that they're trying to get to. 406 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,960 So knowing these things about your animal can really make a 407 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,000 huge, huge difference in not just selecting an animal, but 408 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,920 knowing what you want and what you don't want it in an animal. 409 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,400 And I think that is just something that we don't think 410 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,120 enough about because compatibility is important. 411 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,120 Again, like I said at the very beginning of this, I believe 412 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,920 every dog deserves a home. And and maybe instead of saying 413 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:23,240 not every home deserves a dog, it would be a little nicer to 414 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,000 say that it's our responsibility as humans to do the research for 415 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,400 what we actually want so that we are not setting our dogs up to 416 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,920 fail. Oh yeah, absolutely. 417 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,360 I agree with that. Well, then I mean similar, 418 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,040 similar to like the pigness of the pig. 419 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,680 But what's OK? Well, what's the soilness of the 420 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,840 soil, right. OK, that it's the point of 421 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,200 purpose of the soil is to grow grass or, or to produce a crop. 422 00:28:52,440 --> 00:29:00,280 And, and we respect, we respect those various things by bringing 423 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,640 out their, their nature. And, and so with, with a dog, 424 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,400 what do we pay? Well, we want to respect them. 425 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,000 We want to bring out their nature. 426 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,440 So then we think, OK, well, what's, you know, in a suburban, 427 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:21,520 in a pet situation, what, what are we wanting them to do? 428 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:29,040 What are what, how can we help that animal to, to perform their 429 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,280 duty best and in a respectful way? 430 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,800 How do we be respectful to that animal? 431 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,160 And I mean, I think, you know, play is, is, is important. 432 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,560 And it's also if you're, if you have a family, you know, OK, 433 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,280 let's, let's probably find a dog that likes to be around people. 434 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,920 And I mean, even even beyond the breeds, you know, each dog has 435 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:10,280 their own character. And so I know somebody, a gal 436 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:16,560 and she has a really big dog with, you know, a big 437 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,720 personality and, and it's, it's fun to see them together. 438 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,200 She, she also kind of lives in the suburban area. 439 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,040 And I think the two of them together, they've really grown 440 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,960 over the years in that they, they're, because he's such a big 441 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:45,280 dog, she's had to kind of grow into a, how do I, how do I bring 442 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,240 him places? How do I, how do I allow this 443 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,320 big dog to do big dog things that kind of put put her outside 444 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,320 of her comfort zone in a good way in like in a way of, OK, I'm 445 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,600 going to grow into I'm going to grow by learning something new 446 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:14,440 about how do I allow this dog to be the dogness of himself? 447 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,720 So obviously that doesn't it, not everybody is able to do 448 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000 that. But I feel like even with me, 449 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,840 like when I'm training Dutch, I have to think about, OK, what, 450 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,680 what are his capabilities? He's not going to learn a 451 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,680 command just by telling him once, right? 452 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920 I could just, I could say, oh, it's not working. 453 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040 I told him to go left and he didn't go left the first time. 454 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:49,920 Well, or, or if he's barking at the chickens, I can't say that's 455 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480 annoying. I don't like that. 456 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,000 Well, you know what? He's a dog and he is bred to 457 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640 bark at things. So it's something that I've had 458 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,480 to to learn is OK, the barking might be annoying, but this is 459 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,440 what you chose. So this is what you so. 460 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,040 And I'm not going to change him. So I have to change myself. 461 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,920 I have to change my frame of reference and grow as a person 462 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,520 to say I'm going to let the dogness of Dutch shine out and 463 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,760 I'm going to change my behavior because it asking him to not 464 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040 bark would would not, it would be disrespectful. 465 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,840 So I think those are definitely things to consider. 466 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,920 That's an excellent point, Very, very excellent point to let our 467 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,520 dog be a dog. I would love to just hear what a 468 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,120 typical day is like for Dutch, from the exercise, the 469 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,880 enrichment, the training, what he eats like. 470 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,800 I would just love to hear how he interacts with your family. 471 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880 What does a typical day look like for Dutch? 472 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:08,240 Sure. So typical day is we kind of 473 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,440 started the day with breakfast. He loves food. 474 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,080 He is not picky. So I'm blessed with that. 475 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,320 I just, you know, standard, pretty standard dog food. 476 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:33,000 I, I am, I know, go crazy, but, but thankfully he is, is a very 477 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,360 healthy eater. And you know what? 478 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,320 He also, he loves scraps. You know, he, he enjoys, you 479 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:45,320 know, things. You know, just when we, when we 480 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:51,360 make soap, we, we have, we, we get cracklins, which is just a 481 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440 byproduct of, of making soap and it's a, it's a meat, meat 482 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:02,520 product and he just goes crazy. So we end so Dutch is is very 483 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,200 blessed in in the dog world to be able to eat cracklins from 484 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,199 time to time. He just he goes crazy for those 485 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,159 things. But yeah, so there. 486 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,120 So, you know, starting the day like that, we typically wait 487 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,880 until the sun is is high in the sky. 488 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560 So it's kind of a waiting game in the morning. 489 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,560 Then we open up. And so. 490 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,840 OK, Dutch, all right, let's go. So I open an up the door. 491 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,280 He now you know, and this is this is where where he this is a 492 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,520 very important part for him is he goes into the pen where the 493 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,639 goats are and because the door is open now and so he has to 494 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:49,679 bring them out towards me. And so I'm walking backwards and 495 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:56,360 if, if there's one where he is, where if he, if he doesn't get 496 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,000 them all, maybe there's one back in the pen and that's kind of 497 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,720 inconvenient. So I have to help him and make 498 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,920 sure that we've gotten all the goats. 499 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,120 Once they're all there, we will, we will walk together and I use 500 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,440 a command like steady because that helps him to, to keep his 501 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960 distance, an appropriate distance so that they don't 502 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,040 scatter. And so we will, we will back up 503 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,240 and back up and back up. And then we get to our so we 504 00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,880 will get to the pasture and I will have set it up the day 505 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,040 previous. And so once we get to a certain 506 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,480 spot, I allow Dutch to kind of just take over. 507 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:53,080 And so he walks with them and they know where they know where 508 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000 they were the day before. Sorry about that. 509 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,480 Yeah, no problem. OK, so where is I? 510 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440 Oh, yeah. So this is kind of where Dutch 511 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,640 really gets to shine. Is he, he is in the back of him 512 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,680 and he's just, you know, walking side to side and forward and 513 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640 making sure that the goats go forward into their paddock. 514 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,560 And once they're in there, we kind of shut, you know, shut 515 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,280 the, the fence in such a way. And it's this really awesome 516 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,880 moment where we get to kind of, you know, I get to tell him, 517 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,560 good job, you know, well done. Not every dog gets to do a cool 518 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,760 job like that. And he definitely knows, he 519 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,520 knows that he's done something good. 520 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,720 And so it's really cool to be a part of that with him. 521 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,800 Once that's done, we typically let them out onto the pasture 522 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,120 for a while. And then on really special days, 523 00:36:53,120 --> 00:37:00,080 we will do, we will do extra herding, which we'll kind of go 524 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,400 out in. It's not necessarily an UN 525 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,040 fenced area, but a less fenced area. 526 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,400 And this is where things kind of get a little bit more intense 527 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,800 because they could get, they could get out and I really don't 528 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,200 want them to. And so this is where, you know, 529 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,720 Dutch and I have to really work, work together to kind of 530 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,920 sometimes the goats will start to run, which is not good. 531 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,480 We want them grazing heads down, calm. 532 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880 And I usually if I'm, if we're doing that, I try to have it be 533 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,320 3 hours doesn't always work that way. 534 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,880 Sometimes it's, you know, it's about to rain or something. 535 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,360 But so we're out doing that and then we bring the goats back to 536 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,920 their original paddock. Dutch helps me. 537 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600 Well, once they're back in their paddock, Dutch and I walk 538 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,840 together to go see the chickens, you know, grab the eggs and I'll 539 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,800 go inside, take care of my stuff. 540 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,600 And then in the evening, so I, you know, probably about 5-10 541 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,080 minutes before sundown, we do that. 542 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,040 We do the same thing again. And I open up the gate and I 543 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360 make sure that Dutch goes to the back. 544 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,840 Once he's behind all the goats, then I tell him to, to come to 545 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,600 walk up and he brings the goats and we slowly, gently walk back 546 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,120 to the barn and, and everybody's happy and you know, he's done 547 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,160 his job and the goats bellies are full and it's, it's really 548 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520 fun. And, you know, another day of 549 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200 just grazing. So he is still part of the 550 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520 family. Does he come in in the evening 551 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,360 with you or how does that? Mean he likes to stay out with 552 00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:02,360 the stock yeah, he he like, but he enjoys being with he really 553 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,920 loves the kids Like a lot like a lot. 554 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:16,520 And so that's another example of knowing what you're getting with 555 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,920 the dog. So with my kids, I've explained 556 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,640 to them that, OK, yes, he he is going to want to be right by 557 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,640 you, you know, and they're small. 558 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480 So he's so even though he's not mean, he's very friendly. 559 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,600 It's kind of scary for them. So but it's not, it's not fair 560 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,240 to Dutch to say, hey, you quit getting so close. 561 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,320 Don't do that. You know what I mean? 562 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560 It's OK. I want to help him under 563 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,680 understand boundaries, but at the same time, I have to 564 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,440 understand what he, what he's bred to do. 565 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520 And so now I have to have a conversation with my kids 566 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,000 saying, Hey, Dutch is going to get in your face. 567 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,840 He he's, he's just being nice. We, we know we have to 568 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,040 understand where Dutch is and meet him where he's at. 569 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,600 But so I've, so I've taught my children. 570 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,440 So when it's time to feed Dutch, you know. 571 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,400 I'll have him stay where he's at, right? 572 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840 And then I'll then I'll give the command go. 573 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160 And then, you know, then he'll, he'll go into his bowl. 574 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,320 He runs, he books that he just loves his food. 575 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,200 But in order to include my family in it, I've taught both 576 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:40,960 of my children how to, how to give Dutch the command to, to, 577 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,560 to go to get his food. They, they love it. 578 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,880 And it helps him because now he's getting command from 579 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:57,320 somebody that's not me. And they're, they're a part of 580 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560 it. And I think especially as as the 581 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:06,960 kids get older and, and grow, they'll get more time even 582 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,000 training with him or, or, and, and working with him out on 583 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,600 pasture. So. 584 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:19,800 One of my favorite things to give a dog or a cat is goat's 585 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,920 milk. And I know we talked on like 586 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,080 previously that your farm does not sell goat's milk, publicly 587 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,840 at least, and you are making soaps. 588 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,720 What is the benefit of a goat's milk soap? 589 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,800 Oh, it's, it's huge. Well, so like our goat milk 590 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,960 soap, we, we don't have the phthalates which are big 591 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800 nowadays. Everybody's not everybody's 592 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,160 trying to avoid the phthalates. So our soap does not have that. 593 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,320 And I'm outside a lot and especially in the cold weather, 594 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,240 your hands, we're washing our hands a lot nowadays. 595 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,240 There's just a lot of reasons why to do it. 596 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,560 If you chintz out on the soaps, right? 597 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,520 If you're low, I want, I want that really cheap blah, blah 598 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,960 soap. I'm going to go to the Dollar 599 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,720 Tree. Well, you're going to, you're 600 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,480 going to pay for it another way. You're going to pay for it 601 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,440 because your hands are going to be dry and cracked and it's not 602 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,120 going to be super duper fun. And, and the one of the cool 603 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,760 things about our soap is it's made using lard, which is 604 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:42,880 actually closest to human skin. Well, well, so pig pigs skin in 605 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,280 our skin are very are the closest in the animal world. 606 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:55,480 So our soap combined with with the goats is very unique in its 607 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:04,160 smoothness. And also just a lot of soap 608 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:12,880 companies are like the what they will do is they will they will 609 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:19,760 take out in the soap making process all of the regenerating 610 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,320 portions of it of that process. So they can then stick it in, in 611 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:33,360 the, the like the hand, like the conditioners or stuff. 612 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,280 So, so they get their soap product and then they want you 613 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,080 to buy this other thing. But with us, we keep it 614 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,840 together. And so it's really good for your 615 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,160 hands. And I mean, it's, it's goat milk 616 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,240 soap. So it's, it's extra fun in that 617 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,120 way too. It's not just, it's not just 618 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,280 soap soap, it's it's goat milk soap, which makes it, I think 619 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,880 extra nourishing for your hands. And it has a story too, you 620 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,720 know, instead of, you know, you people that have our soap are a 621 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:17,800 part of our story versus just being a part of the, I don't 622 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,680 know, Dollar Tree soap story. Not interested in that. 623 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,760 Yeah, so where, where could people find the goat's milk 624 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,400 soap? And then where can people see 625 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,080 Dutch in action? So where they can find our soap 626 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,920 is New Plymouth farm.com. We have a website and we have a 627 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,920 lot of really cool soaps on there, lots of different 628 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,280 varieties and sense. We, we buy the best sense 629 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,880 around. So we we want to make sure that 630 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,760 if you're going to buy goat milk soap, it's important that you 631 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,440 get really cool sense, really, really awesome sense. 632 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,440 So we we make sure to do that and they can see Dutch. 633 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,520 We actually have a YouTube channel. 634 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,680 I'm getting more videos on there right now. 635 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,720 So I'm working on some videos and stuff. 636 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,680 But if they want to see Dutch in action, this is really cool. 637 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,600 So I've I have a drone and I'm all certified. 638 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,360 Turns out there's turns out if you want to use a drone for a 639 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,240 commercial purpose, you need a license to do that. 640 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,560 So and I have it. I have it now. 641 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,560 So this in 2026, if people want. If so, if you're a person and 642 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,840 you want to see a herding dog in action, you can go to our 643 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200 website or excuse me, our YouTube channel. 644 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,560 It's just New Plymouth Farm this this grazing season, there's 645 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,880 going to be videos and videos and videos of me and Dutch out 646 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,320 on pasture and our goats and I think it's going to be a hoot. 647 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,360 And so, yeah, people can see that. 648 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,800 I don't think there there's very, I don't even think I've 649 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,480 heard of anybody else doing this type of thing. 650 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,640 So if, if you ever if a listener has ever wanted to see a herding 651 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,760 dog in action or even enjoy grazing just the just what that 652 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,880 looks like, they should check out her, her YouTube channel, 653 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,120 New Plymouth Farm. Yeah. 654 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,880 Well, we are so disconnected from everything. 655 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,360 I think it would probably be very relaxing just to watch him 656 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,640 her. Yeah, agreed. 657 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520 Well, I appreciate that and thank you for coming on to talk 658 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:41,160 about this Seth, and for introducing us to your soaps and 659 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,120 how you selected Dutch to be your herding dog. 660 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,920 We appreciate it and thank you so much for being here. 661 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,000 Guys, please have a fabulous rest of your week. 662 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,960 I give your pets some extra love from me and from Seth this week, 663 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:02,000 and I will talk to you next week before here you go. 664 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,680 If today's episode got you thinking about what's really 665 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000 going on beneath the surface for your pet, don't forget to check 666 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,120 out Wild Wellness pet.com. 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