1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 It's time to rethink how we raise our pets. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,800 A reset to naturally healthy dogs and cats. 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,480 My name is Jessica. I'm a certified professional 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,120 canine nutritionist, raw nutrition certified for dogs and 5 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,400 cats, a holistic pet health coach, the founder of Wild 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,160 Wellness Pet, and the host of the Pet Parenting Reset podcast, 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,280 where every pet deserves the absolute best and every pet 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,640 parent is welcome. Learn from the best holistic and 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,840 integrative experts in veterinary medicine and 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,480 nutrition every Tuesday right here on this podcast or get 11 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:39,680 individualized help with your pet through one-on-one 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,320 consultations and take a deep dive into the root cause with 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,440 the Wild Wellness Bioenergetics at Home test kit. 14 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,440 If you've been feeling like there has to be something more, 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,640 something better, a better way to raise healthier pets, welcome 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,640 to the Pet Parenting Reset. Welcome back, pet parent. 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,600 Today's episode is so cool. I'm so excited for this. 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,560 It has been a while in the making, but I have Sean Cahill 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,040 with us today from Tavati. And he was like, you know what? 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Let's bring Doctor Katie Kangas on with us. 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,800 So you guys are probably familiar with Doctor Katie. 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,160 She's been on the podcast a couple of times. 23 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,000 She's absolutely amazing. One of my favorite people in the 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,520 whole world. So Sean and Doctor Katie, 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,560 welcome to the pet Parenting Reset. 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,000 Thank you so much for being here with us. 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,160 Thank. You. 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,920 It's a pleasure to greet you. Absolutely. 29 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,000 I was going to say the same. So I'm really happy to be part 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,720 of today. So thank you for having us and 31 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,320 hosting this great topic. Yes, Tevadi is something that I 32 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:40,560 learned about at Super Zoo this this year, 2025. 33 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:46,880 And it was one of two products that everybody in our space, our 34 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,000 little healthy pet space for just like this. 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,680 These are the two products of the year. 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,520 I like, I think we all were getting kind of burnt out 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,880 looking for innovation. Like we hadn't seen innovation, 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,400 we hadn't seen anything new for years and years and years. 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,680 And then we get 2 products in one year and Tavadi is one of 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,080 them. And so I would love to just 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,480 start with Sean, if you would tell us a little bit about what 42 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,760 Tavadi is, because that's a weird name that people are like, 43 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,400 what is this? Yeah, well, look, it's great to 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,840 be here and to have Doctor Katie also, and he is amazing. 45 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,720 So thank you for having us. Firstly, it's a privilege to be 46 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,920 here. So Tavati is from the word 47 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:31,240 Tervati and it's hard to say in our language, let alone other 48 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,760 people saying it. So essentially we abbreviated 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,840 the word to Tavati. Now Tavati is from the Cook 50 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Islands, which is essentially hibiscus bark or medicine juice, 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,400 which is what the word actually means. 52 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,440 Essentially it's a product, it's made of hibiscus bark, which has 53 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,240 been in our our culture for centuries upon centuries that 54 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 our traditional ancestors used for bones of tissue and 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,400 cartilage healing, for workers, for sports people and just 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,480 people within the island that have these sort of injuries, 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,720 etcetera. That our founder, Doctor 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,120 Matheson, AKA Cookie, we call him Cookie obviously being from 59 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:12,080 the Cook Islands, was awarded a PhD to cut it, was awarded a 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,520 scholarship to come to Australia. 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,880 Sorry to to become a doctor. Yeah, it's a fascinating story. 62 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,120 It's something that's been around forever and a day in our 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,280 traditional multi medicine that now we get the privilege to 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,000 share with pet parents, but also humans. 65 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,880 Yes. So it's a it's just great to be 66 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,320 here. Well, thank you. 67 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,440 And it so you connected with Doctor Katie who is I don't I 68 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 don't want to mess this up like you're you're like the US 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,160 ambassador or something. How are we doing this? 70 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,000 We're going to wind this back because Tibati, it was in the 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,800 emerging brands section at Super Zoo and we were like, well, 72 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,080 we're a brand new product into a brand new market. 73 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,120 So emerging brands is where we should be. 74 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,880 And we had a small little stand and all of a sudden I seen this 75 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,240 chick that I had a whole heap of hair rushing towards us with a 76 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,720 whole heap of people. And it was actually Doctor 77 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Kangas's practice manager to Jessica. 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,440 And I'm like, well said to Romeo. 79 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,120 I'm like, holy shit, there's a bunch of women coming towards 80 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,840 us. You know what's going on here? 81 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,600 What have we done? And it was Jessica had used to 82 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,600 vatsi on herself before applying it to a dog, Hamilton. 83 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,880 And she had told all these people, and to be honest, I 84 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,960 didn't even know who Doctor Katie Kangas was. 85 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,400 Like where Romeo and I are two Aussies, my background is some 86 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,680 more and so Polynesian. And we have all these women 87 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,240 running towards us and I'm like, this could be really good or 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,760 really bad. So. 89 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Jessica basically used Tavati because she was, she found out 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,080 about Tavati from Clayton Payne who has a podcast in the UK 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,240 called the Pet Business Disruptors. 92 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:50,440 And he had gifted her a packet of artsy and she goes, well, I'm 93 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,000 not using this on my dog till I test it on myself. 94 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,920 So she used it on herself and I think she had an issue with her 95 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,160 ankle or something or multiple issues. 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,840 And within a very short period of time, she was getting around 97 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:05,920 0 pain. And what she had been previously 98 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,720 suffering with, she wasn't suffering with with anymore. 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,480 So come super zoo, we're standing there a, a chick with a 100 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,160 whole heap of hair and a whole heap of exuberance comes running 101 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,600 towards us and saying, I've been waiting to meet you guys. 102 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,520 And by the way, here's this fit, here's this fit, here's this 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,520 fit. And I'm like, oh man. 104 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,160 And then she told us her story and, and that's where we 105 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,240 started. The next thing I know, we, we 106 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,640 basically spent most our time with Jessica and Clayton and, 107 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,440 and Doctor Kangas throughout Super Zoo. 108 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,920 And we we formed very, very quickly, which I think is is one 109 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,880 of the most amazing bonds that was just meant to be. 110 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,240 Absolutely. Yeah, I'll just chime in on 111 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:48,160 that, that Jessica did, as Shawn say, said she had tremendous 112 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,440 results with herself and she actually broke her foot. 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,840 And when we went to the natural naturally healthy pet in Orlando 114 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,880 in May, we met Clayton there and he said you need this Tavati 115 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,840 product and sent it to her. So she used it on herself and 116 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:08,240 then Hamilton and got remarkable results on both herself and her 117 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,640 dog. And so she had been telling me 118 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,440 all kinds of information about it. 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,680 And so I was eager to meet the Tabadi team. 120 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,120 And then as Sean said, we formed such a bond. 121 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:23,560 I mean, just the energy of these guys and the value behind their 122 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,200 intentions in this company, the sustainability of the product, 123 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,720 the fact that it's indigenous medicine, clearly as an 124 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,400 integrative and holistic, that it's so exciting to me that we 125 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,040 have a plant medicine product with centuries of use behind it 126 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,200 being, you know, effective. And now having global patents 127 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,040 because it was, it's proven efficacy is so exciting. 128 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,880 And then also from the veterinary space, the fact that 129 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,280 this is not only natural, 2 natural ingredients and we can 130 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:55,120 get into that, but that it's topical because there are so 131 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,840 many pets, especially cats, but even dogs too, that, you know, 132 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,720 we start getting into sort of an excess of supplements and people 133 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,360 get concerned that they're giving too many things, there's 134 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,160 too much stuff going in their food. 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,360 Is there some, you know, counteracting between some of 136 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,680 the, you know, multiple things that they're being given and 137 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,960 like you said, what an innovative new thing that not 138 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,040 only is this effective, but that it's a topical product that 139 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,760 doesn't even need to be ingested. 140 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,720 So it's such a unique space that it's in and then to see it work, 141 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,400 you know, and really helping to up regulate the healing of bone 142 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,960 and joint tissue and cartilage, etcetera. 143 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,320 So it's quite remarkable. I want to hear so much more 144 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,120 about what you're seeing, how you're using it in your because 145 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,280 you have so much experience as a veterinarian. 146 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,560 But before we talk about what you're seeing, Sean, can you 147 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,880 tell me what this like doctor Katie just said talked about 148 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,800 there's two natural products. What? 149 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,160 It's so simple, but what is it? Then nature's intend to keep 150 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,960 things simple. Yeah, I think. 151 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Yeah. And the thing for me is Tevati 152 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,840 is made of two products. So the hibiscus we grow in the 153 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Cook Islands, we have 15 islands in the Cook Islands that's we 154 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,800 have, there's an abundance of the actual tree. 155 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,000 So when we harvest, we harvest by hand, the Kotinui and our, 156 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,160 our locals do the harvesting for us. 157 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,400 So there's 0 machinery in regards to the way that we 158 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,440 harvest. And I think with that there's 159 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,680 zero machinery. But we don't cut trees down and 160 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,040 you know, so we only ever harvest 1/3 of bark off any 161 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,840 given tree. So within 12 to 18 months, 162 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,480 potentially a bit longer, the buck completely grows back on 163 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,440 that tree because we're not a country where we're going to cut 164 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,039 down trees to, to, to make a quick sale. 165 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,720 It's not what we're ever going to do because we need to keep, 166 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,000 we need to keep mindful that our elders never did it. 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,120 So why we we need to keep to stay true to what our ancestors 168 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,840 did. And if we change that, then in 169 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,840 our culture, then that means, you know, the sustainability and 170 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,720 then the knock on effect to our culture and to our children who 171 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,040 are learning from our legacy is ruined. 172 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,320 And, and we will never, ever cut trees down to, to make a quick 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,280 sale or make a quick buck. It's not about that. 174 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,040 It's about sharing our traditional medicine, our 175 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,440 traditional knowledge and the right way. 176 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,680 And the key thing is sustainability. 177 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:23,520 So in the Cook Islands, we harvest the the bark, which from 178 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,520 the hibiscus tree we standardize. 179 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,840 We do all the processing in the Cook Islands at our own factory. 180 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,120 The way that we standardize the hibiscus is with a machine 181 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,200 called a mass spectrometer. Now it costs hundreds and 182 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,680 hundreds of thousands of dollars, but we invested in this 183 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:41,160 to make sure that every single time we harvest, the 184 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,200 standardization and process of this product is exactly the same 185 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:50,000 every single time, you know, and so then that product then gets 186 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,280 sent to Florida. So we work with a Co Packer 187 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,760 there that's GMP certified. It's got the best QCQA process 188 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,520 that there is that we could find. 189 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,520 And the carrier is organic coconut oil and that's the only 190 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 two products that the ingredients within that makes 191 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,520 Tabasi. So, you know, as I said, didn't 192 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,440 nature intend to keep things simple, you know, things that 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,600 come from the ground? We, we are just maintaining what 194 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,440 comes from the ground, keeping it very, very simple. 195 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,920 And again, like Doctor Katie said, it's, it's topical, you 196 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,600 know, so with pets, we rub it on to the animal's neck. 197 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,040 It absorbs into their bloodstream and treats them 198 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:27,960 systemically. So essentially it treats them 199 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,160 overall, you know, so there's no need of trying to shove it down 200 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,280 their throats or trying to put it into their food or hide it in 201 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,920 a toy, you know, which they can or may not take. 202 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,000 But I'm not a vet. Doctor Katie can talk in regards 203 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,200 to when things are being induced by the gut. 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,960 And I, I think that's the great thing of having Katie here 205 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,360 because I'm not a vet. I'm just a custodian of Tabati. 206 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,400 So I'm not here to give people, you know, advice as a vet 207 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,600 because I've just been brought up on this. 208 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,920 I've had the privilege of had this in my life from a baby. 209 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:03,400 So my grandmother, when I used to get headaches, she'd go into 210 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,120 our plantation, she'd get another plant, but essentially 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,960 she'd mix it with coconut oil and then we call it for four. 212 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,440 So she massages it for falls into my head. 213 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,280 And then I never had any more migraines ever again. 214 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,960 So we've always used traditional medicine. 215 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,120 I've been brought up on traditional medicine. 216 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,600 That's why I'm so passionate about telling this story 217 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,520 because, you know, we treat one drop at a time, but we educate 218 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,240 one conversation at a time. I do want to hear your 219 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,640 experience with this, Katie, but before we do and you. 220 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,800 So when Sean, when we talked before booking this podcast, you 221 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,280 were telling me a story about how this has been something you 222 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,120 have used in humans forever. And you were telling me about 223 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,040 somebody who was using it and they called you in a panic 224 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,520 because of their horse and they used it on their horse. 225 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:50,040 And this is how it kind of you're like, oh, we need a 226 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,000 headline. So when? 227 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,720 When we first started Tavati six years ago, so the 1st of October 228 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,680 2019, we created Tavati, you know, a commercial business that 229 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,480 was going to sell a product into the human space to assist humans 230 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,120 with recovering from bone and soft tissue injuries. 231 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 And, and, and sports people because my background's 232 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,680 professional soccer and so I understood when playing what it 233 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:17,400 meant to recover. But the products that I used 234 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,040 back in the day were to the detriment of my career because 235 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,360 it was a Band-Aid that enabled me to get back onto the field, 236 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,200 but it essentially cut my career down. 237 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,560 So I know the risk that people take and sports people take. 238 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,080 So being able to have a product that I work directly with Doctor 239 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,400 Matheson with ASADA, which is an anti doping body, Water World 240 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,040 Anti Doping Association, to show athletes they could use this 241 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,680 product from an acute phase for safely. 242 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,960 Because if they got tested, they didn't have to worry. 243 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,920 But they could also use this product while they were playing 244 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,840 to assist in prevention, which was a game changer because 245 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,400 there's not a lot of products which treat systemically 246 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:59,240 enabling repair while playing. So I said I had this athlete had 247 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,840 a horse, had spent a crap load of money on it and said it 248 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,760 broken down and it said it smashed a hawk. 249 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,480 And I'm like, fuck, what's a hawk? 250 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,520 You know, I have no idea. And so I was like, quickly 251 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,240 Googling Hawk and I'm like, he goes, it's broken. 252 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,360 I'm like, OK, he goes, can I use my Tavaati on the horse? 253 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,120 And I'm like, man, in my culture, there's no such thing 254 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,760 as a product for an animal or a product for a human. 255 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Our elders go into the plantation, get the product that 256 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,080 fixes the issue, puts it into the bowl of coconut oil and 257 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,960 applies it topically. So anyway, he rings me 2-3 258 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,240 months later and says, hey, man, my horse healed. 259 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,400 I'm like, yeah. And he goes, but it's 260 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,960 unbelievable that the vet can't see where the fractures were. 261 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,000 And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, but the vet said 262 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,760 he's never seen that before. And I'm like, no shit, you know, 263 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,920 So apologies for swearing, but it's just I'm telling the honest 264 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,480 truth. And so we essentially work 265 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,040 through the equine space. We fell into the equine space 266 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,160 and and competitive dog space because vets had never seen this 267 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,320 thing before. And the problem was the trainers 268 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,000 were calling me directly and I'm like explaining what Tavaati is 269 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,360 and how it does. And I said, we really want to 270 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,280 use the product Tavaati. We know, we know it's grown in 271 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,960 Tahiti and we want this. And I'm like, well, I wish I was 272 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,240 in Tahiti, but it's called Tavaati and it's grown in the 273 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Cook Islands. So then my phone was ringing 274 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,240 24/7. And then we fell into the animal 275 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,480 space and I tried to reach out to vets here in Australia and 276 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,960 New Zealand and they basically told me to piss off. 277 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,320 And then three months later, they'd bring me back because all 278 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,240 the horses that they said would never be able to get back into 279 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,960 work on, all the rest of it returned. 280 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,560 They couldn't see where the fractures were. 281 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,440 They couldn't see where the tendon tears were. 282 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,880 They couldn't see any of the injuries that were present 283 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,960 before. They apologized for telling me 284 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,520 to piss off. And they said, how do we come on 285 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,160 board? And I'm like, man, you're great. 286 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,600 The funniest story was a vet called Warwick Vale here in 287 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,240 Australia. He was the president of the Ava 288 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,360 and I'm like aviation Association, What the hell is 289 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,320 that? I never worked with vets before 290 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,240 and I've only ever worked with humans. 291 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,680 Turns out he was the president of the Australian Veterinarian 292 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,360 Association. Been a vet forever, 4050 years 293 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,360 and said I've never seen a product like this before. 294 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,400 How do I get involved and help you build your business? 295 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,760 I said you're in. So we've had some of the best 296 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:17,240 vets on the planet go piss off and then basically ring me back 297 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,120 and say I can't believe what I've just seen in my own eyes. 298 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 And the best thing about working with animals, there's no such 299 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,360 thing as placebo. Humans. 300 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,560 There's a huge possibility of everything known unto mankind 301 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,520 with humans because we're a weird bunch. 302 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,320 But with humans, with animals, phenomenal that there's no such 303 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,640 thing as placebo. And why we have grown as a 304 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,160 business over six years with bugger all promotion. 305 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,040 It's been organic, it's been word of mouth. 306 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,840 The demand came to move to America because more Americans 307 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,880 were wanting the product. They'd heard from someone else, 308 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,520 they'd heard from someone else. And Romeo and I made the 309 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,600 decision to bring Tavarti in the emerging brand section at Super 310 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Zoo Now set Tavarti up as an American LLC business where we 311 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,440 now hire Americans. You know, we're two Aussie lads 312 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,360 from Australia. My background again being 313 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,720 Polynesians, now hiring Americans, now having an 314 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,160 American business, you know, supporting locals and, and now 315 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,520 bringing on some of the best vets in the world like Katie 316 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:14,760 Kangas. It's phenomenal. 317 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:16,400 Thank you. And I have to to say I was 318 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,760 chuckling as Sean was saying, Oh, and these vets said piss off 319 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,840 because I'm laughing on the inside going. 320 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,840 I'm not surprised because they were completely doubting and why 321 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:32,200 wouldn't they that something like this could do what it does? 322 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,840 You know, it is like, you know, I've had clients go, Oh my gosh, 323 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,160 it's a magical elixir. And I'm like, it is, you know, I 324 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,280 mean, it just seems it seems too good to be true for a modern day 325 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,040 mind, especially those of us who are, you know, conventionally 326 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,160 trained as doctors. We're so used and you know, 327 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,320 obviously I'm integrative, but you know, the general consensus 328 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080 is, you know, pharmaceuticals. And then, you know, even the 329 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,920 modern day, you know, pet parent who, you know, wouldn't expect 330 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:03,280 that two natural ingredients that are applied topically could 331 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,599 truly heal bone and joint tissue. 332 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,839 It sounds, you know, too good to be true. 333 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,560 But as Sean just relayed on what I've seen clinically already, it 334 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,160 is true. It's absolutely remarkable. 335 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,520 And I'll just, let's also add in that you, the creator, Doctor 336 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Graham Matheson, you know who Shawn was talking about, One of 337 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,359 the reasons he did his PhD study on discovering what the active 338 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,200 ingredient was in this indigenous traditional medicine 339 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,680 that they had is because he also grew up in athletics and was a 340 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,440 rugby player. And most people know that rugby, 341 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,080 as well as soccer has a lot of, you know, and a lot of athletics 342 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:41,840 in general. You get a lot of injuries. 343 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,400 And he had multiple injuries and broken legs and stuff like that 344 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,600 and healed so well with the traditional medicine from his 345 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,480 country that he's like, I've got to study this and, you know, 346 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,520 figure out what's happening so that I can help other people. 347 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:58,520 And, and then lo and behold, the pathway took it into helping 348 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,120 animals. And when I first heard 349 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,640 conversations and had conversations with Doctor 350 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,600 Matheson, I was floored when he relayed to me that one of the 351 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,920 biggest excitements for veterinarians, as Sean said, is 352 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,000 when we do an X-ray after an injury to check on the healing. 353 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,720 And you literally cannot identify the original site of 354 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,240 injury. Like you have a fractured bone. 355 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,440 And normally when that bone heals, there's enough misshaping 356 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:30,960 or you know, inflammatory tissue around it and you know bulk of, 357 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,760 of new formation and healing around that, that you can see 358 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,920 where everything is or it hasn't repaired well or hasn't repaired 359 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,200 optimally. And so many times with horses 360 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,600 and dogs using this product, the bone healed so well that you 361 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,240 literally couldn't identify the initial injury spot. 362 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,840 And that is beyond remarkable. Like the only thing that is in 363 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,560 my head right now is I just, I just want to say like, take 364 00:18:54,560 --> 00:19:00,280 that, Rockefeller. But anyway, so how has this 365 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,640 changed your practice? You know, it's so fun and it's 366 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,320 just still emerging because it's just in the first few months of 367 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,560 me recommending this. But I have to tell you, I am so 368 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,880 excited not only because it works honestly, but also because 369 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:22,200 I have something else to offer my clients that is easy to use, 370 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,360 that is, you know, topical, that is natural. 371 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,280 There are so many instances and like I called out, especially 372 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,880 with cats where arthritis is so often times under recognized 373 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,280 actually, but also under treated and under addressed. 374 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,160 And there's so few things that are safe for cats, certainly in 375 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,280 the pharmaceutical world. And then even in the herbal and 376 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,720 natural world, there's a lot of things that are difficult to 377 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,640 give them or that they, you know, they won't take or that 378 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,760 they don't respond to. And so to have a fresh new 379 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,400 product on the scene that is so effective and given in such a 380 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,040 different way via the skin has really changed a lot. 381 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,800 And so I've been recommending it to add on to even when people 382 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,760 have been using lots of things before. 383 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Sometimes things work. Sometimes. 384 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,480 The pets doing well for a while and then you know, as they age 385 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,000 and more arthritic symptoms or other injuries come into play, 386 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,080 having something else to add into what you've been doing for 387 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,520 a while can really level up. You know, that healing and that 388 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,280 progress, but also right out of the gate. 389 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,400 So it's been fun to offer it to clients that have been using 390 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,240 lots of holistic strategies for a long time and people that are 391 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,760 just dipping in now. I mean, this is just a perfect 392 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,200 product to add in at any time and multi layered is always 393 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:41,760 good. I mean I still like, you know, I 394 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,280 have my homeopathic line and I have products that pair really 395 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,760 well and are nicely synergistic with the Tabadi product. 396 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,120 So we could talk about those if we get to that. 397 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,560 And I also like to use herbs. I certainly always talk about 398 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,640 nutritional medicine. And so I love the multimodal 399 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,760 approach where we're layering in food medicine and herbal 400 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,440 medicine, homeopathic medicine, and now this topical coconut oil 401 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,880 and hibiscus bark extract. And it just adds such a level of 402 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,600 value to the whole integrative space. 403 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,480 I think a great thing with that, sorry to interrupt, is go ahead. 404 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,720 I keep on saying, I try and explain things as simple as 405 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,640 possible because pet parents, we've got a family farm and I've 406 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:28,080 got cattle and my cows get Savati, my donkeys get Savati. 407 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,280 If my, if I can catch my chickens, they'll get Savati. 408 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,120 But the big thing for me is we know as pet parents the amount 409 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,600 of products that we buy, right? So when you open that carpet up, 410 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 and I've said it before and you've got that carpet and it's 411 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,360 full of everything, and you think about the investment that 412 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:47,120 you spent just buying those products and what that amounts 413 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,440 to, right? Because one thing that I won't 414 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:54,200 shy away from and why I'm always transparent is Tibati isn't 415 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,280 cheap, right? So it's $199. 416 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,520 But The thing is that people need to be mindful of this isn't 417 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,640 a product that's coming from China, right? 418 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,080 And I'm going to be transparent about that. 419 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,280 This is a product that's coming from the Cook Islands that's 420 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,080 harvested by hand. Now, hopefully in 12 to 18 421 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,640 months time, we're going to be able to invite all you guys back 422 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,880 to the Cook Islands to come with us to see the beautiful country 423 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,480 that it is. But we're going to show you guys 424 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,200 just how hard it is to harvest because we're doing it all by 425 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,640 hand. It's labour, a shit ton of 426 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240 labour that takes to get this product back to the factory to 427 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,880 then do the whole process of standardizing it, the investment 428 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,880 that's gone into that product. But again, it's expensive 429 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,760 because it's the only one of its kind at the moment that's 430 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,320 topical. And again, I refer back to when 431 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,440 you look at that medicine cupboard that's not just for 432 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,520 you, but for your animals, just think about how much money 433 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,320 you've spent on every single product in that in that 434 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,720 cupboard. And then think about there's a 435 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,560 coffee a day. Because if you think about the 436 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,880 cost to treat per day for your animal, it's about a coffee and 437 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,200 a half a day. So when you're, when you talk 438 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,920 about it in a coffee or a beer, whoever drinks or whatever it 439 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,800 may be, it really isn't a big an investment when you think about 440 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,120 just how much money you've spent to get to us, which is typically 441 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,840 out of desperation because you've used everything else. 442 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,800 Yeah. And the other good, you know, 443 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,320 fact to add to that is that it's only every day typically for the 444 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,160 first few months in the loading phase and then after that it may 445 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,800 be two or three times a week. And actually in pets under 10 446 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,480 lbs and cats, I'm recommending to just start from the gate, 447 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,800 start starting out two times a week. 448 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,000 So you know, for little pets it's really cost effective 449 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,840 because one bag has 30 tubes in it. 450 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,960 And if so, if you're using it every day, it's a one month 451 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,200 supply for a human or a medium or larger pet, for a small pet, 452 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,600 you know, that's going to last for much longer if we're only 453 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,800 using that twice a week. And it's quite effective at 454 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600 twice a week in these small pets. 455 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,920 So that that really, you know, plays into, so I love to tell 456 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080 people, yes, you know, the cost may be higher than other 457 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,120 products, but if it works, which I've seen it work incredible, 458 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,480 you know, and we can't ever expect or claim that any 459 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480 products going to work in 100% of pets or, you know, animals 460 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800 and 100% of people. But from what I've seen, this 461 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560 product has such a high success rate in working that I tell 462 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,560 people if it works, you know, people would spend that $200 463 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,600 happily if it's going to because there are so many things that 464 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,040 don't work. And, you know, people, you know, 465 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,920 as we're just talking about spend a lot of money and spin 466 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,640 wheels with a lot of things that don't end up with, you know, the 467 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,920 highest results. So this really the efficacy and 468 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,240 you know, the ease ability of, of using it and applying it and 469 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,800 the fact that it is topical so you can add it into all these 470 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,160 other things that we're doing orally or food medicine and it 471 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,120 complements well is such a, you know, a beautiful alignment. 472 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,440 Yeah, Well, I think on that note of it complimenting, well, I 473 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,640 just celebrated my dog Kim's 12th birthday and we've had a 474 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,320 lot of changes this year and there's definitely been a lot of 475 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,800 stressors for both of us. And I've started to notice with 476 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040 especially with all of the stress that we've been through 477 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,320 this year, it was like all of a sudden she was a puppy. 478 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320 And now it's like, wait, she's aging. 479 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,280 And so I just within the past like week and 1/2, I have 480 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,600 started adding 2 new things into her regimen and Tavadi is one of 481 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,320 them. And I will say that she wants to 482 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,600 play a lot more than she has been wanting to play. 483 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,760 And the other thing that I'm concerned, that I have been 484 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,200 concerned with is that I have never had stairs in her entire 485 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,720 like the entire time I've had her. 486 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,240 And now all of a sudden this year, we have a lot of stairs. 487 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,160 And so with her aging, it's just something that I want to be very 488 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,680 proactive, just knowing that that's, you know, something that 489 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,240 is, isn't easy for, you know, aging dogs to, to, to manage, 490 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,520 especially if they've never had them before. 491 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,640 It's like, wait, my muscles work that way. 492 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,520 But I also think it's very telling, just being like a 493 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,360 business minded person. I, you know, had, I haven't 494 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,640 worked for anybody. I've had my own business in one 495 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200 way, shape or form for the past 12 plus years. 496 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720 So having a very like business mind, I think it is very telling 497 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840 that Doctor Katie, you have your own line of products and yet you 498 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,360 are so passionate about this product that you do not own that 499 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,160 you are coming to talk about it and sing its praises because 500 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,920 other business owners may not do that, right? 501 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,240 Like it's just really telling to me that you're like, yeah, I 502 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,880 have my own line of products and they're great. 503 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,040 But let me tell you about this one. 504 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,640 That's like amazing poison. I'm going to jump in here 505 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,440 because guys, like I'm a custodian of Tavati and I'm 506 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,360 protective over my culture. I will protect it to the NTH 507 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,880 degree. So the secret was for Romeo and 508 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080 I was to get to know Katie and Jessica at Super Zoo. 509 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,400 And I'm telling you, within four days I felt like she was my 510 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,040 biggest sister. You know, I felt like we're 511 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,840 brother and sister honestly because we don't bring on just 512 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,880 any Tom, Dick or Harry, right? And this was the whole thing for 513 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,280 us that we will build as a business because we have over 514 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,080 six years, but we will build with the right partnerships and 515 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,560 we will not let Dick heads come on board because me being head 516 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,200 of HR, we have a no Dick head policy. 517 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,120 And and that's the whole thing I've sold, I sold my family 518 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,000 farm. So my farm that my wife Bianca 519 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,400 and I bought, we sold our farm to invest our money into this 520 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,600 business because we've had that many people try to invest into 521 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,480 our business. It was like, so Romeo and I have 522 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720 invested our money, our family's money into this business to grow 523 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,120 it with Cookie because it's part of my duty to my culture, to my 524 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,880 people, to my sons, to understand the legacy that we're 525 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,080 building for our culture. And Doctor Katie coming on board 526 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,520 is a privilege. You know, I wish I could scream 527 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,120 a bit now, but it's it's a privilege because I'm screaming 528 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,800 inside. Because when you know you. 529 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Yeah. And I, I saw it right away to 530 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,240 the authenticity, you know, and, and the intention behind this 531 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,000 company and the efficacy of a product that comes from 532 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,840 traditional culture medicine that was studied in the modern 533 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,920 scientific context to literally achieve global patents. 534 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080 I mean, this is remarkably unique. 535 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,760 And so I'm excited to help its its journey into the pet space 536 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160 and the animal Wellness space. So yeah, I'm, I'm super 537 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520 passionate and so many reasons. And now I just keep accruing 538 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,800 more and more reasons as I get more feedback, not only from 539 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Jessica and her dog Hamilton, who this is literally changed 540 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,200 Hamilton's life, this product, her cavalier spaniel, but now I 541 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,520 have multiple patients that are on it and people reporting back 542 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,520 to me. Very similar, you know, many 543 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,080 comments very similar to what you're seeing Jessica with your 544 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,200 doggy and that just more vibrant moving better anything from 545 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,120 mobility to energy level, because when you're more mobile, 546 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,440 more blood flow, more energy, this really does just sort of 547 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,640 catapult into higher vitality and better living. 548 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,520 What what this plant medicine is doing is it's up regulating the 549 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,120 body's ability to repair tissue, notably bone and joint tissue 550 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400 and cartilage and ligaments and things like that. 551 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,360 But that can obviously be used after an injury, after an acute 552 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,520 thing. But so many times there's 553 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,880 chronic issues and chronic issues can be just recurrent 554 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,480 from previous injuries that keeps recurring or arthritis. 555 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,160 But even arthritis is oftentimes a result or or at least the pain 556 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,240 I should say from arthritis can be the result of recurring 557 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,320 injuries. So that if you have arthritis, 558 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520 you already have a weakened area that's had an injury before 559 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760 etcetera. It can re injure and there's no 560 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,600 little micro cracks in the bone or injuries to that tendon or 561 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560 ligament and then causes more pain and more inflammation. 562 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,320 And so with this product to body being applied, you know on a 563 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360 regular basis, even at the maintenance of twice a week or 564 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600 so, it's allowing the body, I think Sean said this earlier, 565 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,400 it's allowing the body to repair as things are happening so that 566 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,800 you don't end up in that advanced state of pain and 567 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,200 stiffness and soreness etcetera. So these I mean older pets I 568 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,400 say, but you can, I mean this is great for any age, but for older 569 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080 pets especially or pets with injuries, you can really see the 570 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,240 difference and typically the difference is seen, starts to be 571 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,440 seen. I mean, it will obviously take 572 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,080 some time for more full efficacy, but the differences 573 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,640 can be seen within five to seven days or so from my clinical 574 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,640 experience thus far. Yeah, Well, I want to say that I 575 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680 absolutely can as to what Sean just said, because when we had 576 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,120 our Zoom call before this, he was like, I asked around about 577 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880 you because I'm not just coming on any podcast. 578 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,680 I was like, oh gosh, OK, well I'm glad people had nice things 579 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,200 to say about me, but I want to. It's true though, because at the 580 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280 end of the day, got you, you just can spend a lot of time 581 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360 building your own personal brand, right? 582 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,440 And, and with them when it comes to personal brand, that's 583 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680 everything and, and my culture to me and my name is everything 584 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,000 to me. So we will protect our, our 585 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,280 people and you are our people, you know, So again, 586 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,200 understanding Katie when we met her, her own doctor, Katie's 587 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,640 remedies are a compliment to what we do at Tibati. 588 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,680 So how do we partner with people that have complimentary, you 589 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,520 know, remedies that can benefit our business? 590 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720 Because Tibati is not everything. 591 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,320 People will go, oh, Tibati does this and Tibati does that. 592 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840 That's great. But Tibati is not everything 593 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,400 because Tibati, it's businesses need value adds because Tibati 594 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,680 is not going to come out and then do a Tibati dog wash like 595 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280 all that bullshit we don't do. There's no way. 596 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200 So we will partner with the right businesses, the right to 597 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200 have the right efficacy with the right brands, with the right 598 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,840 people to then say, hey, I've tested these people personally 599 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,760 because you're not getting past me. 600 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,240 And, and if you want to, you can try, but you're not, you know? 601 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,600 So again, my passion, I wear my everything on my sleeve and I'm, 602 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,280 I'm unemployable, you know, and I, I wear this unapologetically 603 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200 because it's, it's very important to me that our 604 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520 customers, our people, our tribe, when we're sharing our 605 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,880 bowl, that they understand that we've tested, we've had the 606 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 conversations and not all the conversations are going to be 607 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,960 pretty at the start, but we're going to do it for the right 608 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,520 intentions. Doctor Katie, can you talk about 609 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,400 what you saw with Hamilton, specifically what he was going 610 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,480 through and how Tabadi? Yeah, Hamilton story is actually 611 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560 really interesting because when you learn about what Tabadi 612 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,480 does, you would generally be targeting it for pets or 613 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520 patients. And in my, you know, from my 614 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,680 ankle that would either have injuries or lameness or, you 615 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960 know, arthritis, you know, just older aging. 616 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,320 Hamilton actually has the Chiari malformation. 617 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,920 So he has the CM issue that a lot of cavalier spaniels have 618 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:25,000 where the spinal outlet of the CSF is too narrow and so the CSF 619 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,440 fluid gets trapped in the cranium and it can be God awful 620 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,600 painful. I mean it is this really a 621 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,640 difficult syndrome for these dogs to live with lifelong And 622 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Jessica has taken Hamilton to numerous specialists and 623 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,560 neurology appointments etcetera. He's been on pharmaceuticals in 624 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800 the past. Fortunately, he actually got off 625 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,000 his pharmacy. He was on multiple 626 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,880 pharmaceuticals. And then when we started working 627 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520 together, we slowly got Hamilton off all his pharmaceuticals and 628 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,360 still maintaining a very good and high quality of life on CBD 629 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560 very regularly as well as well as you know other supplements 630 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760 and getting chiropractic and acupuncture regularly, stuff 631 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680 like that. But Despite that, even even 632 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,159 though he wasn't in downright pain, she didn't realize until 633 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,360 she started to body that he could actually be so much better 634 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360 than he was. Because she did a bunch of 635 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120 research on it and read up on it and found out from, you know, 636 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,760 Sean and the team and all the, you know, stuff we've looked 637 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,760 into that it is patented for tissue repair, but many humans 638 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,760 that have used it very specifically have had the 639 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360 benefit of reduced pain. So and it when she was using it 640 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440 for her foot fracture, her pain subside. 641 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,400 She was waking up in the middle of the night from throbbing pain 642 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,280 of her broken foot. Within three days of applying to 643 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,159 body, she was able to sleep through the night. 644 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,880 And she's like, holy shit, if this helps my level of pain, 645 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,360 what could it do for Hamilton, even though he doesn't have a 646 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840 broken bone or injured tissue that, you know, we're aware of. 647 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,199 So she started using it on Hamilton and within a few weeks, 648 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,640 I mean, I'm almost going to get emotional for her because this 649 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,200 is really because I've known him and now for a long time and I 650 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,440 love this little dude. And she, she's like, he would 651 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480 never run at the park. Her other dog, Rusty, now that 652 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,720 we healed his IMPA, you know, he runs and plays at the park. 653 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,920 And Hamilton would just saunter around and sniff and not engage. 654 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,640 He is now playing, He's rolling. She goes. 655 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,720 I didn't realize I haven't seen him roll around in grass in 656 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,880 years or ever. And so and he's happier. 657 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,040 He's just like more social in the house. 658 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,840 Her mom came to visit this last week and her mom's like, this 659 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,800 dog is laying on my lap more in one day. 660 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160 And then he's laid on my lap in seven years of me visiting. 661 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,680 Like he's just, he feels better. And it's just such a lovely 662 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080 thing to see. And it's not something that I 663 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,480 would have predicted would come out of Tavani. 664 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,480 And so it's just cool that as we use it more and more, the 665 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,280 demonstration that we can see how this can apply in so many 666 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,280 different facets is nothing short of really exciting. 667 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,360 Yeah. Well, and a lot of the things 668 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,720 you're talking about feel like typically going into, you know, 669 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,600 conventional veterinarian's office, one of the things that 670 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,880 may be prescribed is some sort of and said and or steroid. 671 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,440 And we know how detrimental those can be to the liver. 672 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,000 And I'm imagining because this is an all natural 2 ingredient 673 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,200 product that it is actually really gentle on the. 674 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480 Absolutely. And there's in all the studies 675 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,400 that were done, there was no negative effects seen at all to 676 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,000 organ systems or to health in anything they were able to 677 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960 document. And you know, is certainly 678 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,400 obviously it's been used on, you know, humans and dogs and 679 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480 horses, you know, for quite some time. 680 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400 But in the studies on, you know, rabbits and other animals too, 681 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,880 nothing has ever been seen that's negative. 682 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,280 That's amazing. And I'm also, the other thing 683 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,360 I'm thinking is about all these animals that are being 684 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,640 prescribed Librella and silencia and we're seeing like really, 685 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,200 really horrible side effects and, you know, decreased 686 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280 lifespans and all the all the horrible things. 687 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,760 And I'm just imagining that that this as a layered approach like 688 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,240 like you were talking about, could be so much more beneficial 689 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,240 to these animals. Absolutely. 690 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,600 And even a lot of, you know, integrative minded pet parents, 691 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,760 multimodal, I mean you use as many natural products as that 692 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,320 makes sense, you know, for that pet that work in a complementary 693 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600 alignment together. But sometimes pet parents still 694 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,920 have to turn to pharmaceuticals to keep their dogs comfortable 695 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,040 and have a quality of life. And we were talking about the 696 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,960 cost. I mean, these pharmaceuticals 697 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,240 like, you know, the end stage, whether it's, you know, 698 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,320 Carprofen or Galaprint or you know, these new thing not, you 699 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,240 know, not to mention, I mean, we don't want at all the Labrela 700 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,680 and Silencia type stuff. But these other end stage talk 701 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680 about liver impact of these pharmaceuticals going on a daily 702 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,040 basis for chronic use, sometimes permanent use and not to mention 703 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,000 even just the biochemical negative buildup that that can 704 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,280 cause 'cause. But the cost too, I mean, we 705 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,000 were talking about the cost of Tavati big dogs on NSAID's every 706 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,280 day. That's 2 bucks a day. 707 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680 I mean that's, you know, at least maybe $4.00 a day 708 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,400 depending on their size. So that adds up a lot and that 709 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,040 is contributing to, you know, obviously concern for the liver 710 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,960 and many other things that. But what about the cost of 711 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840 trying to to to help those dogs post? 712 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,920 What about that? You know what I mean? 713 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,720 So they use these other products. 714 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,880 Then what does it mean about the cost and the vet visit and 715 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160 potentially not seeing your dog because it's constantly in the 716 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,760 vet hospital, whatever it may be? 717 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,400 What about the emotional factor cost to this as a pet parent? 718 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,760 Because I know my I've got three sons, we don't give our kids any 719 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,360 pharmaceutical products. And that says, so I'm not giving 720 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,960 my pet a pharmaceutical product. Even if the vet or doctor 721 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,560 prescribes it, I still don't give it to them. 722 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400 Then that's just us to be totally honest, you know, so I'm 723 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,080 not giving my kids something that I wouldn't take and I don't 724 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680 expect my animals to take something I wouldn't take. 725 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,280 And that's the benefit of Tivati because it's not a product just 726 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280 for animals. This is a product that's for 727 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,880 humans and animals. And we become your well-being 728 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,240 partner because when you're applying Tivati to the animal, 729 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,720 it's absorbing in through your hand because your skin is the 730 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,400 biggest organ there is on your body. 731 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,360 So essentially which also treating the pet parent at the 732 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520 same time unknowingly. So when they ring us back. 733 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280 So when we worked in the, in the equine market, or we're sorry, 734 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,280 we do work in those markets, the trainers used to ring me and go, 735 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,640 man, I know you told me there's only two ingredients in this 736 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,280 product, but what the fuck's really in it? 737 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,840 Because I've got the worst pain. I haven't been able to, to my 738 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,320 pain in my hand, in my back, but I'm in zero pain. 739 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560 And I'm like, is that a good thing or a bad things? 740 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,800 I know it's fantastic. I will keep on using the 741 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080 product, you know, and and so it's I get so passionate about 742 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,120 this, but again, you've got to think about the knock on effects 743 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,760 of doing your research, you know, and, and understanding 744 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,760 exactly what it is just because someone says, use this, do your 745 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,600 research, understand what it is, what's the ingredients, check 746 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,440 the ingredients on the product and say, well, this thing that's 747 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,720 got a list from A-Z Google, you know, there's so many things at 748 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,600 at our fingertips as as pet parents that we can find out the 749 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640 information or just ask a professional like doctor Katie 750 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,920 Kangas. I feel like plant medicine is 751 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,680 really having like a resurgence right now and I'm loving it so 752 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160 much because as, as you said at the beginning, like, shouldn't 753 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,880 this be simple? Shouldn't the, shouldn't, you 754 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,200 know, the earth provide everything we need? 755 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,400 And I feel like that's kind of like an oversimplified statement 756 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640 because we've done so much damage to, you know, depleting 757 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,000 our soils and all of the things, which is why it's so important. 758 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,200 I think that these product that the hibiscus bark is coming out 759 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,840 of the Cook Islands because you're probably have much 760 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040 healthier soil there. We're not allowed to end the 761 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000 solids and we're not allowed to call it organic. 762 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,800 Like that's the weirdest thing for us. 763 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120 We source our our coconut oil, but we have a piece of paper 764 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880 that says it's organic. But in the Cook Islands, it 765 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,120 grows wildly. It grows naturally and there's 766 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,240 no pesticides, but we can't call it organic. 767 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,120 So we'll just call it natural. Yeah. 768 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,000 You know what, I'd love to tag on to what you said, Jessica, 769 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,280 about how it's so great that plant medicine is making a 770 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680 resurgence. And it is, I mean, the wave of 771 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,200 the future, it's funny to call it the future. 772 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,840 I mean, well, it is integrative, you know, and it's back in so 773 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,240 many traditional routes. And one of the things that I 774 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,000 heard Doctor Graham Matheson say in the podcast with Clayton mean 775 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,960 on the, the on pet business disruptors podcast, I would 776 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000 include, I would encourage all of your listeners and audience 777 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680 to listen to that podcast. It's amazing. 778 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,720 But one of the things that Doctor Matheson said in that 779 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,360 podcast, which I really enjoyed hearing is he said, you know, 780 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,640 it's only been the last 50 or 60 years that we've, that medicine 781 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,440 has revolved around designer medicine. 782 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,600 He goes, it used to be discovery medicine. 783 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,040 It was, it was cultures discovering what worked, what 784 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,600 worked from the earth, the planet, these plants, and then 785 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,600 creating protocols around what worked. 786 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,880 Now it's designer medicine in creating something that works 787 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,800 rather than discovering what works. 788 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,440 And in creation, it's obviously synthetic and it's out of 789 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,600 balance and it's sometimes taking the medicinal agent out 790 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080 of a plan and isolating and that in creating it since 791 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400 synthetically. And sometimes it's just creating 792 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,880 it synthetically from the get go. 793 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,160 But again, like a designer approach rather than a discovery 794 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000 approach of let's use what works. 795 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,280 So that was provided to us, you know, through the earth. 796 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,200 So that's such a beautiful thing to get back to. 797 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,560 It really is. And I think it, as we've 798 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,240 already, already mentioned, does complement your line of products 799 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:42,480 at Doctor Katie's Remedies. So how do you combine to body 800 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,960 with some of the products you have? 801 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,280 You have a lot of homeopathy. And my homeopathics and I was 802 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,520 smiling as Sean was talking because he said the words share 803 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080 your bowl. It's like yeah, because one of 804 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,200 the reasons why we bonded so quickly on so many levels, you 805 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,280 know intention and the you know the authenticity of of where 806 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080 they are in their mission and spiritual actuality behind all 807 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,360 of this was so beautiful. But the fact that their product 808 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,960 fits my passion of providing things and supporting people 809 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,840 with education and resources and choices that affect both their 810 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,120 pets and themselves. So our company, you know, 811 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,480 tagline share your bowl is all because of Doctor Katie's 812 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,120 remedies. Everything I've created is 813 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,520 suitable for humans and very effective for humans as well as 814 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680 pets. And the reason that that tagline 815 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,560 came about, share your bowl is Jessica suggested that as my 816 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800 practice manager, she'd been hearing me for years talk to my 817 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,320 clients in the exam room with their pets, saying, you know, 818 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,600 this product is made for pets, but it's really good for humans. 819 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,080 So feel free to take some yourself and share the bottle 820 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,440 with your pet. Or the flip side, I'd say, you 821 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,320 know, this product is made for humans, but I'm going to send it 822 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360 home for your pet. Just so you know, it's a human 823 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,560 label because it's made for humans. 824 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,200 So share the bottle with your pet. 825 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,920 This is really great. You know, they start asking, 826 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,960 asking me, oh, you're recommending bone broth for my 827 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,200 pet. I should be drinking that for 828 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,280 myself, shouldn't I? And I said, yes, you should. 829 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,880 And you're eating all your fermented foods and all these 830 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,920 things. So it was share your bowl. 831 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,760 It was, hey, these are things that across species, I love how 832 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,120 Sean said, you know, we don't have products that are for pets 833 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,520 or for people. We just have these natural 834 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,440 ingredients that work to heal the body, whether you're an 835 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,800 animal body or a human. I mean, we all are animals. 836 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,080 So just so well aligned with my passion of where I'm going with 837 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,880 my product line and really with my education. 838 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,640 I've amassed such an amount of training and education in 839 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,240 functional medicine. And so much of what I learned or 840 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,800 my training in functional medicine was literally on the 841 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,600 human side. And then I apply it to pets and 842 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080 some of it was straight veterinary, but a lot of it was 843 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,880 human application of functional medicine and then integrating 844 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,680 that into a veterinary approach. And so this product, my line, 845 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,960 you know, to the Tabati product and the Doctor Katie's line mesh 846 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,160 right in there with that functional support for humans 847 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,920 and animals. And mine are homeopathic so far. 848 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,760 I'll probably expand from there. But my products are homeopathy. 849 00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,120 And as just to explain that briefly, it's homeopathic 850 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,960 remedies, of course, are have also been used for centuries and 851 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920 they are all natural ingredients and homeopathic remedies. 852 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,840 You can do a single remedy or blended remedies. 853 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,760 Mine are all blended, you know, remedies that I've custom, you 854 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000 know, blended for, you know, each of the approaches that the 855 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,080 formulas are are targeted for. But a homeo adeopathic 856 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,720 ingredient is always exceedingly diluted and that's what lends to 857 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,280 the great safety margin. And one of the best things about 858 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,360 homeopathy is it's so gentle, unsafe, and it can be used in 859 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280 all species. You know, Shawn was bringing up 860 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640 chickens and, you know, I mean, you can use homeopathy in 861 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960 anything and it's, you know, in its natural. 862 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,280 So homeopathy is like heels, like is, is, you know, where the 863 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,840 language actually, you know, comes from is like heels like or 864 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,480 like treats like and in nature, an ingredient that we would be, 865 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,160 you know, using in a homeopathic formula at full strength, it 866 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,120 could be toxic. But when you are diluting it 867 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,720 down to an extreme dilution, it's just enough for the body to 868 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,960 energetically recognize, to nudge or shift the body, help 869 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,280 shift the body into healing itself and to using in its 870 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,200 innate mechanisms to correct that imbalance and get back into 871 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,480 homeostasis. So it's so beautiful. 872 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,480 It's this tiny little amount. And even like conventional 873 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,840 medicine, Western medicine, people look at homeopathic 874 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,960 remedies and they're like, shit that's so dilute. 875 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,400 There's no way that could be doing anything. 876 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640 There's nothing in there. And you know, we holistic 877 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640 people, anyone who's used homeopathy and sees it work, we 878 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,560 know that that tiny amount, this is on a very energetic like 879 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,200 quantum, you know, Physiology aspect of this working in the 880 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,720 body is it's just creating that little shift of the body healing 881 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,040 itself or correcting the imbalance or correcting the 882 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,280 condition. And so that's what my formulas 883 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,960 are after. And then I guess I could mention 884 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,560 that I don't know if my camera maybe not, but that's mobility 885 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,360 and that is nerve. So these are two of my formulas 886 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,000 that pair very well with the, you know, Tavadi product that 887 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,040 could be used in a little trio set. 888 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,000 The mobility has ingredients in it for, you know, inflammation 889 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400 and pain, but also things that are targeted for bone healing 890 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,080 like Cymfitum, things that are targeted for cartilage healing 891 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,880 and resilience like the Cartilago. 892 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,200 There's also, you know, arnica and you know, other things for 893 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,640 inflammation and and etcetera. So that pairs very nicely. 894 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,280 And then the nerve formula is targeted more for nerve pain, 895 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,560 which we would definitely think of with neck or back problems. 896 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,040 But a lot of times with other injuries, nerves are either 897 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,880 being no pinched scar tissue, inflammation, adhesions in the 898 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600 tissue, you know, you know, from post injury and all kinds of 899 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,040 things, even post surgery can trap nerves in there. 900 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,840 And so a lot of times that's inter, you know, is, is in the 901 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,120 play of how that is manifesting into symptoms. 902 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,000 And I've seen some incredible results with both of these 903 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,400 formulas. But I released the nerve formula 904 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,960 more recently and now I've got a lot of feedback coming in on how 905 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,680 well this is working. Even pets that have like muscle 906 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,840 tremors and leg twitches and things like that, they've gotten 907 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,240 a lot more steady or even tremors resolving on the nerve 908 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,640 formula. So that's got a lot of 909 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,600 application. Mobility is just kind of the 910 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,680 nice go to across the board for anything with lameness being 911 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,440 arthritis. And then if it seems applicable, 912 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,720 adding the nerve in is a is a great addition. 913 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,520 And the nice thing about homeopathy, just to state this 914 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,960 to you, is that it doesn't counteract or contradict 915 00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,880 anything else. And that's a beauty of 916 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,160 homeopathy too, is that it can be used right alongside, of 917 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,120 course, pharmaceuticals, but it can be used alongside multiple 918 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,520 herbals, you know, and so many other natural tools too. 919 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:06,120 And we do know that with herbal medicine, it being so much safer 920 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,760 in general than pharmaceuticals, of course. 921 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,360 But when you're starting to use multiple herbs and Chinese 922 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,920 herbal formulas often have 12 to 15 herbs and 1 formula, when 923 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,720 you're really racking up the herbs and layering on things, 924 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,480 sometimes things can start to have maybe some counter action 925 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600 there where you want to be knowledgeable or plug into an 926 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,280 practitioner that can really help people decipher what a good 927 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760 regimen is when you're combining herbs. 928 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,880 But the beauty of homeopathy is if the pets already on some 929 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,720 herbals things, on some maybe prescription things, adding in 930 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,880 the homeopathy, you never have to worry that that is going to 931 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,320 cause any negative influence or impact. 932 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,760 It's amazing. So do I remember correctly that 933 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,000 there was some issues with the FDA that you couldn't put a lot 934 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480 of things on the website, Sean, is that I don't know if I'm 935 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680 remembering that right? So essentially we kind to be a 936 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,640 massage or that works around joint and mobility with dogs, 937 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,160 horses, etcetera. When you're trying to register 938 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,800 anything in any market, there's a lot of things that can come 939 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480 up. Now our patents are registered 940 00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,440 globally in every single major market globally obviously to 941 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,640 rejuvenate bones of tissue in cartilage. 942 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,200 But if you're going to go out and try register a product in 943 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,240 any market, they want XYZ and millions and millions and 944 00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:33,760 millions of dollars. So we chose down to go down the 945 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,760 least resistance path and we got it over the line with the FDA in 946 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,120 regards to joint mobility and joint issues etcetera. 947 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,240 And and that's what we're really happy with because whatever else 948 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,000 our customers see the product work for, it's a bonus for them. 949 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,800 Yeah, I just, I wanted to bring that up in case somebody listens 950 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,240 or hears something from someone about it and they go to the 951 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,000 website and they're like, wait, is this the same product? 952 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,200 Yeah. And it's great that you asked 953 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,400 that because So what we've done now the Tivari Traditional is 954 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,920 our human product, Tivari Pet and Tivari Equine would 955 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,840 basically put everything under one website because we had so 956 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,120 many customers go, oh, why we're going to a different website 957 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,560 while we're doing this. And we're like, you know what, 958 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,680 go to one place because so we're seeing our customers not only 959 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,160 buying the Tivari Pet product for their animals, but now 960 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,520 buying Tivari Traditional for themselves. 961 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,440 So again coming back to the holistic view of being the 962 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,040 family's well-being partner. I love it. 963 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,640 So we're all I I'm sure there are multiple places that people 964 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,360 can get to body. I don't. 965 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,120 Do you have it on your website too, Doctor Katie? 966 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,400 Yes, we have links to that on our website and direct people to 967 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480 thetavadi.com website all the time now as well. 968 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,840 Perfect. Correct. 969 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,280 Well, I, I just am so grateful for both of you and to have 970 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,840 learned about this product. I am just a lifelong student, so 971 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,800 I love just learning any and everything new that comes along, 972 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,680 especially if it is natural and actually works, which is 973 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,320 amazing. So I just want to say thank you 974 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,800 both for being here, for taking your time to come on and talk to 975 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,320 all of us about this product and what you're seeing from it. 976 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,920 And obviously, Sean, you have your whole life, you've been 977 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,880 around it. So you're like, yeah, duh, this 978 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,520 is what it is. But for other people like me, 979 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,880 we're like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. 980 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,080 Amazing. Where did this come from? 981 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,280 Yeah. And look, it's it's a privilege. 982 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,440 It really is, Jessica, because like, you reached out post Super 983 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160 Zoo, we didn't get to meet there, but hey, we're here now. 984 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,880 You're using it on your own pet. You're seeing it for yourself. 985 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,520 And as I said, the best thing with animals is that there's no 986 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120 such thing as placebo and your eyes don't lie. 987 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,600 And that's the most beautiful thing about what we're doing. 988 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,480 It's the most beautiful thing that we're doing with Doctor 989 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520 Katie Kangas. You know, she's now the 990 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,080 official, you know, Tavaati well-being veterinarian officer 991 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,200 for us, which is even bigger privilege for us. 992 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,040 So for us to be able to share our story on the pet parenting 993 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,880 reset with you have Katie on here. 994 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,160 And just as I said, we treat one drop at a time. 995 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,360 We educate one conversation at a time. 996 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,960 So thank you so much. And if you're like on the fence 997 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,960 and you're like, I have no idea if this would help my pet or 998 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,840 not, you probably have pretty a pretty long wait list. 999 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840 But I know Doctor Katie, you do a telehealth as well, if people. 1000 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,760 Yes, thank you, Jessica for mentioning that. 1001 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,320 I do. And we're still seeing new 1002 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,840 patients and there might be a month or so wait time, but not 1003 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,360 too bad. And I'm so happy to do that 1004 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,960 Ioffer telehealth so I'm able to work with pets across the globe, 1005 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,440 which is really, really fantastic. 1006 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:33,160 And the telemedicine is really so, you know, so successful in 1007 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,720 the integrative space. So I, I really like working with 1008 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,520 people that way and supporting them with providing a, a 1009 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,800 customized Wellness plan to, you know, support their pets to 1010 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,800 healthier well-being from anything chronic or even just 1011 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,840 preventative and stay healthy. That's awesome. 1012 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,240 Well, I appreciate both of you, Sean and Doctor Katie. 1013 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,440 And guys, if you have any other questions about the body, feel 1014 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,440 free to reach out. And you can just check the show 1015 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,200 notes for the link to anything we talked about today. 1016 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,040 So you can just click and go there. 1017 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,720 And with that, I want to say again, thank you guys for being 1018 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,800 here. Give your pets some extra love 1019 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,600 from me, from Sean and from Doctor Katie this week and I 1020 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,120 will talk to you next week. Thank you. 1021 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:16,600 Thank you.