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Hello everybody on Facebook and 
YouTube. 

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Welcome to the weekly pet 
roundup. 

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We've taken a little hiatus 
because I've been traveling 

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non-stop but we're back and 
hopefully the Tuesday schedule 

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works well because it did help 
me on Monday to just work and 

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not have any interruptions. 
So I'm hoping that Tuesday works

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for our friends who join us 
because it definitely works 

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better for me. 
I had so much work to do at the 

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beginning of the month, so I 
have all my social media 

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management to do for my clients.
And because I've been traveling 

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so much, I haven't worked ahead 
like I like to do. 

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So I'm still getting stuff done,
but it'll get done because I 

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always get it done. 
That's, that's what I've been 

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telling myself too. 
I'm like, there's this one thing

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that I need to get done by 
Thursday and I haven't. 

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And I'm like, I, I don't like 
not, it's weird because like I 

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can't, I, I need that like 
crunch time to get things done, 

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but at the same time, like I 
don't love that I wait until the

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last. 
Minute to do. 

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Well, yeah, I just got a last 
minute assignment for a magazine

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which I had stopped writing for 
the magazines, but this one, 

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this one was kind of like a 
fever. 

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So I I said yes when I should 
have probably said no. 

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So after I hang up here, I'm 
going to reach out to some 

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contacts so that I can write 
this article for this magazine. 

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We shall see if it gets done in 
time. 

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The due date is Monday, so we'll
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Oh boy. 
Well, yeah. 

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And then I'm sure I also agreed 
to sub a yoga class on Monday 

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morning. 
So all of it, it's just like at 

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the same time, which is, you 
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And I my New Year's resolution 
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supposed to be to say no more. 
And as you can see, it is not 

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working all that well. 
I have been saying no more but 

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just not enough. 
Yeah, I've been saying no more 

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too, but. 
Not enough. 

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I I still like, yeah, it still 
feels like not enough sometimes.

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I get it because it's just, I 
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especially like if they're used 
to you saying yes and then they 

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have this like issue, like like 
they're offended if you say no. 

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You know what I mean? 
It's like, how dare you? 

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Yeah, that's more personal. 
That's more in my personal life 

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than in my professional life, 
thankfully. 

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But yes, I hear that. 
It's like more, it's not like 

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upset, it's just like a surprise
that I'm not going to be as 

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available to other people as I 
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And I'm only doing it because I 
obviously need to prioritize my 

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family, my little immediate 
family, my kids, my husband, my 

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pets, myself. 
Those are the priority. 

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And so if I I say yes to 
everybody else, I inevitably 

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have to say no to them, which is
not ideal. 

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So while Speaking of our pets 
and prioritizing them, it is end

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of dust storms, it is 
springtime, which means seasonal

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allergies. 
And that is what we're talking 

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about today. 
We're talking about seasonal 

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allergies. 
If you have a pet that has 

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seasonal allergies, 
environmental allergies even, we

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can talk about, you know, food 
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that's probably for another time
just because it's springtime. 

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And we're trying to make this 
really relevant to those that 

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are kind of starting to notice 
that their dogs are like hacking

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a little bit or sneezing a 
little bit or itching a little 

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bit. 
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popped up now, probably indicate
some kind of a seasonal 

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allergies. 
So, Jess, do you want to get us 

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started? 
Well, I have to say that here in

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Virginia, everything is covered 
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I didn't quite notice it until 
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I woke up. 
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open because it it's nice 
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morning and I looked over and 
I'm like that is covered in. 

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Yeah. 
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like, there's just because it 
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lines of yellow everywhere from 
where, you know, the rain dried.

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So I know that people and pets 
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thick of it at this point. 
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about a lot of different things,
but one of the biggest things, I

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know one thing well, you brought
up before we went live, I'll let

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you bring that one up for me. 
And it is incredibly important, 

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incredibly important. 
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often overlooked when we think 
about our especially seasonal 

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allergies is liver support and 
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Because our liver is what 
processes the histamines and our

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body. 
And so if it is not functioning 

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properly and if we are not 
taking care of it, if we are not

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doing even and we can talk more 
about detoxing a little bit 

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later on because it is kind of 
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definitely get bogged down with 
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our system and our liver not 
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So that's kind of one of the 
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focus on today. 
But I know you had brought one 

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thing up too that is also just 
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So I'll let you bring that one 
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Yeah. 
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health, gut health and the 
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stimulated our immune systems 
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environmental toxins and 
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And like no anti vax 
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Just it is a fact that, you 
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when we give our pets of the 
vaccine, it really ramps up our 

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immune system. 
That's what it's supposed to do.

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But then your immune system is 
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Then also at some point it might
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then now we have seasonal 
allergies coming at us and our 

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immune system can't handle all 
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So the gut is where the immune 
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And so when our immune system is
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It's just not. 
It's a recipe for really severe 

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symptoms. 
Whereas, you know, if your gut 

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flora were healthier, if it was 
more balanced, it would probably

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not be as severe. 
So as a mom to a kid who has 

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allergies, one of the things 
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his gut. 
I feel like it's harder for 

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pets, I mean for kids than it is
for pets because for kids, like 

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all of these tests that we have 
are not available to kids 

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because like, I don't know if 
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I can't remember what it's, I 
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like that. 
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you send in, like you prick 
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blood sample, but it's only 
available for people 18 and over

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because what the FDA has done is
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consent to this. 
So unless it's done in a medical

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office, like we can't really 
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whatever reason, right or wrong,
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But for our pets, thankfully, we
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testing, and those are actually 
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us a lot of information. 
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sometimes wish I could just get 
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and send it to like one of these
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But they'll know the difference.
They will know. 

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I mean, if they're good enough 
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the difference. 
This is not like this is not a 

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cat sample or this is not a dog 
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They will know and they will be 
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So I'm not trying to call myself
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wish that we had tools like 
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that we have for pets. 
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think, encouraging during this 
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tools we can use to help our 
pets with allergies that don't 

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just rely on like, suppressing 
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basically with my kid. 
All I can do is either suppress 

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symptoms with like, 
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that or elimination diets, which
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this age. 
He's 7 because, you know, he 

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eats at school, he has parties, 
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And like, an elimination diet is
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that it's like, hard. 
What's that? 

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Did you hear something? 
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outside. 
It sounded like an airplane 

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taking off. 
I was like, am I and NASA? 

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What happened? 
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OK, Oh my gosh, it sounds it 
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yeah. 
So let's start with liver 

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support, then we'll go into gut 
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We'll answer. 
The questions if anybody has any

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and just so you know Jess, I 
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there are any or feedback if 
there is any, I don't know why 

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my. 
I don't see my so far but. 

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I can't see anything, so if you 
if you see anything, just let me

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know and then we don't have any 
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Facebook and YouTube. 
So let's get started with liver 

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support. 
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I mean, this is the first time 
in our new day, so I'm sure 

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people need to get used to us 
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Mondays. 
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earlier, the liver is 
responsible for processing 

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pretty much everything that goes
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histamines. 
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produced in response to 
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These are things that like our 
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They are in foods that we eat. 
It's not just like, oh, we only 

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have histamines in the body when
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right? 
Like, so this is something that 

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our liver is doing constantly 
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with different foods that we're 
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The more processed food is the 
more histamines that are in that

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food. 
So, and, and that doesn't 

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necessarily mean, you know, 
everything highly processed as 

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bad because I'm talking about 
any processing whatsoever, 

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including fermentation, which is
incredible for our gut health 

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and our immune system. 
But it does still increase the 

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histamines in that food when we 
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process, a long process that 
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So we are always, our bodies are
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ingesting and producing 
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regardless of the season. 
So it's not like again, Oh my 

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gosh, the pollen is out because 
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And now all of a sudden here are
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Here are more histamines than 
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And our our liver has to 
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So if our liver is already not 
doing great, if it's already 

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overloaded, if we're already not
supporting it in the ways that 

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we could possibly be supporting 
it, then it really is going to 

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take that much more of a toll on
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Regardless of how sensitive you 
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allergens that may be around 
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Because there are people that 
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country to another another 
country and realize that, oh, I 

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don't have the same horrible 
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Because, you know, the, the, the
plants are different, the, the 

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pollens are different, but 
everything in the environment is

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different. 
And that's wonderful If you can 

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do that. 
Not everybody can do that. 

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But taking care of our liver, 
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to taking care of, you know, our
immune system, which most mostly

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resides in our gut. 
But taking care of our liver is 

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something that we should not 
just be doing in the spring or 

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just in the fall. 
We should be doing this every 

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single day kind of a low level 
like just a low level detox by 

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being intentional with the foods
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And then we can also use herbs 
to do heavier detoxes. 

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There are of course, you know, 
humic and fulvic acids, 

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clinoptolite. 
There are lots of different 

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things out there that we can use
for heavier detoxes, binding and

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detoxing. 
Because if our liver is 

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overloaded, a lot of times we 
will need to use binders to kind

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of bind up toxins in the body so
that they are not having to be 

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processed by the liver. 
If if, if our bodies are really,

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really maxed out. 
I definitely have dogs like this

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where I need to use binders with
them because even the slightest 

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detox is just too much. 
They can't handle it because 

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their body is already so 
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So that's something to consider,
something to think about if 

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you're like, oh, well, I started
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was like sick as a dog, right? 
Well, maybe that's because their

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body is so overloaded. 
We need to bind up some of these

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actually going to bind up 
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can bind to. 
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most of them away from foods so 
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nutrients in the foods because 
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any and everything that it can 
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either urinate it out or 
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severe cases. 
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because I feel like so many of 
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severe case area because this is
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foods all the time. 
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a more holistic, integrative, 
functional approach to health, 

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whether that's for us, our 
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times need a little bit of 
support to kind of help us 

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through what we're doing. 
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can do on like an everyday 
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really play a huge role in our 
diet. 

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For all of the phytonutrient, 
the, the, what's the word I'm 

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looking for? 
I don't know all of it, all of 

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the polyphenols that are in the 
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plants, plants, all of the 
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that we're eating, they all the 
different colors of foods have 

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different polyphenols in them 
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support us any like antioxidant 
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and cleansing through the GI 
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So when I think of liver support
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of like leafy green vegetables. 
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Chard, but also parsley and 
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purple, but they, these are the 
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thinking that of that are going 
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starting to learn about is this 
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ergothianine, which is found in 
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in some mushrooms more than 
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oyster mushrooms actually have 

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the most herbotheanine. 
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supplement for pretty much every
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also supports the liver really, 
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So much so that when we think of
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think of the liver as being the 
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So dogs that have a lot of like 
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add something like oyster 
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mushroom probiotic or we just 
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supplementation for mushroom 
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clear up in the eyes because it 
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heavily and also pretty gently. 
So those are some of the things 

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that I think about when I think 
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histamine removing histamines 
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better than others. 
That's actually genetic in some 

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people with like genetic 
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Like all the men in my family 
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allergy kid all even my son. 
My daughter has very minimal 

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allergies if any. 
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probably dogs, dust, grasses, 
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And all of the men in my family,
we joke on my mom's side are 

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like bubble boy. 
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A lot of it is that we have an 
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other people might not have 
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certain enzymes and things like 
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already be predisposed do some 

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kind of an intolerance to 
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And I do see that we do see that
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breeds that somehow all of a 
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allergic to grass and you're 
like interesting or all these 

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and it's a lot of it is poor 
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due to poor breeding. 
They're, you know, breeding like

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with like siblings are being 
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in their offspring. 
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something to consider. 
So I mean, if you you don't know

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when you get a pet, if they're 
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you do know that you can control
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So that's kind of one of those 
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get and then you work with what 
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And just so that you are aware, 
whomever is joining us is, you 

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know, some of the the good thing
for pets, which is harder for us

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humans, is that a lot of the 
foods that they're supposed to 

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eat are low histamine foods like
fresh meats, high quality meats,

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eggs. 
For us, there are a lot of 

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things we enjoy that are high 
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like cheese, like you said, 
processed foods. 

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So like if you enjoy your, you 
know, Turkey sandwiches or your,

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you know, your processed Turkey 
sandwich, not like a roast 

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Turkey, but if you enjoy, you 
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your pizza, pizza, wheat 
products, the bread, those are 

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all tend to be high histamines. 
So the the good thing, the good 

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news is that, for example, our 
cats really should be just 

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eating foods that are species 
appropriate, which is like very 

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meat heavy that shouldn't be 
contributing to their allergies 

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unless you are feeding like a 
really crappy food, which again,

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you can control. 
I know it's expensive. 

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Sometimes it's hard, but the 
reality is when you consider the

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importance of a diet versus what
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vet, I always say spend the 
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save yourself the money at the 
vet. 

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Pet going back because your pet 
is like scratching themselves 

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silly. 
They have hot spots, they have 

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diarrhea that they can't 
resolve. 

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You know, they're they're just 
miserable. 

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They have, like you said, the 
gunk in their eyes. 

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There's so many symptoms that 
you know you're not going to 

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just ignore because they get to 
the point where they're so 

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severe you have to go to the vet
when you could have potentially 

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at least controlled those 
symptoms with a proper diet. 

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So as humans, it's harder 
because like I always say, 

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they're not opening the fridge 
and making themselves peanut 

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butter and bacon sandwiches. 
We are opening the fridge and 

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feeding ourselves like 
prepackaged foods and things. 

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So we have to be more careful 
and we can make really good 

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choices on their behalf. 
And, and to that point, you 

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know, our dogs and our cats 
don't have any control over what

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they're eating. 
We have full control over what 

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they're eating and every single 
kibble on the market, I don't 

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care what the quality of 
ingredients that they start out 

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with is high heat processed and 
extruded. 

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And those two processes, I mean,
you could you could have started

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out with the most beautiful duck
or rabbit or whitefish or 

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whatever. 
This really, you know, a 

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beautiful cooling food is high 
heat process. 

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It's extruded, it has high 
histamines, period, end of 

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story. 
Like there's nothing that we can

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do about that other than not 
feed it. 

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Exactly, exactly right. 
And what's the alternative is 

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allergy meds that cause all 
sorts of other problems and 

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affect the liver health, right. 
So we're already the liver's 

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taxed, We're seeing symptoms 
from the fact that the liver and

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the gut flora are just not 
optimal. 

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And now we're giving them 
medicine that's processed 

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through the liver that has tons 
of side effects. 

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And I'm thinking like Apoquel 
and all these things, right? 

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Like that. 
They give you usually you go 

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into the vet. 
I had a dog radar. 

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We talk about a lot. 
He's he was little, he was a 

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Pomeranian mix and he was a 
retired military working dog. 

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And he just would lick his paws 
all the time. 

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Not to the point where they 
bled, not to the point where 

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they were in any way 
uncomfortable for him, I don't 

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think. 
But it was definitely there. 

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And so a dog that is at ease 
isn't going to lick his paws 

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like that. 
It wasn't like a grooming. 

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It was more than that. 
And whenever he got groomed, he 

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would lick and lick and lick and
lick and lick to the point where

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it did become a hotspot, even if
his fur wasn't that short. 

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It was like the, the, the two 
things couldn't, he couldn't 

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tolerate the two things he 
couldn't tolerate his high 

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histamine and a haircut. 
It was like it would just make 

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the symptoms so much worse. 
And every time we went to the 

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vet and talked about it, it was 
here's the Apoquel. 

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And it was never, I mean, this 
was he's, he's been gone for a 

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couple years. 
And I know that I could, I am 

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armed with more information and 
there are more products on the 

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market that I could request or 
do more research. 

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But this was maybe let's say, 
5-10 years ago when I could have

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asked for allergy testing. 
And in Louisiana and El Paso, 

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they would have been like, we 
don't do that, right? 

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Like we don't do that. 
Big cities did it back then. 

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But like where I lived, it 
wasn't happening or in the DC 

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area, it would have been a 
specialist, tons of money. 

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And you know, you get scared. 
You say I'm not, you know, I 

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mean, he's, he's fine. 
I mean, it's just licking a 

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little bit. 
But I can't afford $1000 visit 

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to a specialty, you know, a 
specialist just for them to tell

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me that now I need to go on some
like homemade diet that I don't 

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have time to make. 
So it's like we all think of 

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like the worst case scenario. 
And I'm glad that the industry 

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has moved forward in the sense 
of like these at home kits and 

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at home things that we can test 
to kind of get like a baseline 

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for our pets and improve from 
there. 

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And people like you, Jessica, 
and like our friend Cara, who 

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can help pet parents who don't 
have any clue on this through 

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that process. 
Because like I would, I would 

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love to have somebody help me 
with my kid in the same way, 

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right? 
Like where we could do like 

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heavy metal testing from his 
hair and all that stuff. 

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But like I haven't found 
anybody, not locally, not 

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anywhere near me that's willing 
to do that on a kid. 

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And if they do, it's so 
expensive, it's untouchable. 

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So it's like one of those things
for a year, Damned if you do, 

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damned if you don't. 
Parsley cut. 

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You can do humans through 
parsley cut. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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Or am I supposed to pretend that
it's not human? 

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Am I supposed to say it's Kira 
and send my kids hair? 

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No, it's HTMA and I think they 
I'm almost positive that they 

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also do. 
Maybe they would do yours 

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because they know you, but I 
don't know that they're just 

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going to do sure. 
Oh, look, what's really funny is

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I just looked up Parsley Pet and
the dog that they have there is 

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a Pomeranian that looks just 
like radar. 

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What is hair tissue mineral 
analysis? 

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Here we go, it's right in the 
middle. 

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Nutritional blueprint test for 
humans or now? 

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But is it for kids? 
That's the thing. 

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That's where they get. 
I don't. 

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Think she's going to you? 
Just go to a check out form. 

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It's not asking you any of that.
It's 270. 

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Well, they ask you a birthday 
and I feel really uncomfortable 

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lines. 
So they usually what they do, 

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and I don't know if about this 
particular test, but for a lot 

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of tests, they ask you for the 
patient's birthday. 

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And so I'd have to be like, OK, 
yeah, this is, you know, And so 

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one thing I do want to talk 
about real quick is tests when 

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it comes to testing in humans. 
And I don't know the answer, 

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that's why I'm asking this for 
Jessica, is in humans, there's 

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like this big debate on what's 
better for allergy testing, 

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whether it's the skin prick 
tests or the blood tests. 

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And depending on the medical 
provider that you ask, they have

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different answers for you. 
And so some people say that the 

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blood test is the best, but then
some people say the blood test 

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is too sensitive. 
So like it's just going to flag 

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00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,600
everything. 
And then I did get, I'm actually

448
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,600
doing immunotherapy, 
immunotherapy allergy shots. 

449
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,520
I'm, I've been doing it for a 
year now and I do feel like it's

450
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760
helped a ton. 
And I did the skin prick test, 

451
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,600
you know, on your back where 
they, and I'm, I've always been 

452
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
super allergic. 
I, you know, again, like 

453
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,920
genetically I, I was from birth 
and then living in Ecuador, I'm 

454
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,600
sure that didn't help growing up
in Ecuador with like very being 

455
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,720
like worm dewormed like 
constantly and being given 

456
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,560
antibiotics constantly. 
That probably didn't help. 

457
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,280
I mean, when you are born in a, 
in a developing nation, you 

458
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,400
know, medicine is kind of thrown
at you just in case because you 

459
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,360
know, it's somewhat dangerous to
live there, to exist there. 

460
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,920
But I, I feel like it has 
helped. 

461
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,840
But like when I did the blood 
test, it was one of those mail 

462
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,160
in blood tests for myself versus
the skin prick test. 

463
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Like the, the answers were 
different. 

464
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Granted it was over the course 
of a few different years, right?

465
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,800
So like it was like I did the 
blood work first. 

466
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,000
I think that was maybe 2020 ish.
And then I did the skin prick 

467
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,720
test last year, like early 
spring this time last year. 

468
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,280
So tell us how what's the best 
way or what is the way that pet 

469
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
parents can have their pets 
tested if they were to go 

470
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,640
through like a veterinarian? 
So going through a veterinarian,

471
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,160
I think I have seen 
veterinarians do that, that 

472
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,400
patch of skin thing. 
I, I have seen that. 

473
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
I don't think it's. 
It's not very common. 

474
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,200
I don't think you're going to 
find that very widely used, 

475
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,360
probably for a number of 
reasons. 

476
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720
One, it just takes so much time 
for the veterinarian to do that.

477
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,360
And we have talked about this so
much, veterinarians do that they

478
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,920
don't have time to ask you all 
the questions they need to be 

479
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,480
asking you to, to even properly 
diagnose things. 

480
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Generally speaking, your vet may
not fall in that category. 

481
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920
I'm, I'm, you know, I'm being 
very general here. 

482
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,680
So what you're mostly going to 
find is the blood testing. 

483
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:35,400
And I think it is probably a 
little bit more sensitive to 

484
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:43,320
where because it, it, it's, it's
about like calibrations in, in 

485
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
these machines, right? 
So it can be a little bit more 

486
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:53,040
sensitive and that may and may 
not be a bad thing if you have a

487
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,600
dog that has so much going like 
their symptoms are crazy and 

488
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,200
they really have a lot that they
are truly allergic to. 

489
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,640
That may not be a bad thing to 
be like overly cautious. 

490
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:13,960
But I do think it's it's a 
disservice to not have the time 

491
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,920
to do the skin prick ones 
because that's you can't, you're

492
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,600
not going to mess that up, 
right? 

493
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,480
You're, you're seeing first hand
how that animal is responding in

494
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,160
real time, You know, over 
however, however long they 

495
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,480
they'll wait to see if there's a
reaction. 

496
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,200
You're seeing that on the animal
in real time like that. 

497
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,680
I don't think you can get any 
better results than that. 

498
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,240
I think the blood testing is 
more for efficiency, yeah. 

499
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,680
And I so I'm not saying that 
it's, it's bad, it's what we 

500
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160
have. 
But yeah, I think it can be a 

501
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
little, a little. 
Oversensitive, Well, I mean, if 

502
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,320
your pet is so miserable, I 
mean, it's a good start. 

503
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,240
I, I do that. 
I do that and pair it with a gut

504
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,000
testing kit of some sort. 
Where where, who? 

505
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320
I know there are a couple that 
you recommend, which let's start

506
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,920
with those. 
So innovative pet Labs is one of

507
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,400
my favorites and they are 
constantly rolling out new 

508
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,800
stuff. 
So they recently they have 

509
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200
comprehensive gut check, which 
is what I always start with. 

510
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
And then depending on what's 
going on, if we find there's 

511
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600
something that we need to work 
on, then we can kind of target 

512
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,240
what we're retesting. 
So we're not spending as much 

513
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,480
money on the retesting. 
We don't necessarily have to do 

514
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,520
that. 
That can tell us a lot from 

515
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,160
leaky gut to just all sorts of 
different like inflammatory 

516
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,480
points in in the system as well 
as some pancreatic enzyme. 

517
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,120
So we can kind of gauge how well
the pancreas is working in in 

518
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,560
food digestion as well. 
So the comprehensive does a lot 

519
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:20,480
and then depending on what we 
find, animal Biome also has 

520
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:27,200
testing that is going to let us 
know in comparison to what we 

521
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,520
currently believe a healthy gut 
microbiome is, which there are 

522
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,920
definitely skeptics and critics 
of that, but it's what we have, 

523
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,880
right? 
Like this is what we have to 

524
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,840
see, like where your animal 
compares to what we believe a 

525
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,880
healthy microbiome, gut 
microbiome looks like as far as 

526
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,560
the bacteria that are present. 
Because sometimes we can, you 

527
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:04,560
know, a lot of a lot of symptoms
can be like descriptors for so 

528
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,120
many different things going on 
in the body. 

529
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,760
For instance, one of the things 
that we recently in the past 

530
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
handful of years found out 
through the data analysis that 

531
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Animal Biome has conducted is 
that the what they find in 

532
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:33,400
almost every dog that has acid 
reflux is increased levels of E 

533
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,760
coli. 
So we can target better instead 

534
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
of saying, Oh well, we need 
antacids, right? 

535
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Which is what you're going to 
get from. 

536
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,400
And that's what Kira was given. 
Yes, that's exactly what Kira 

537
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680
was given when she had. 
Right. 

538
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,880
We can address the imbalance and
then got microbiome to bring 

539
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,680
those E coli levels down because
you know, and this hopefully 

540
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:05,020
isn't news to anybody listening,
but we all live with quote, UN 

541
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:10,880
quote pathogenic bacteria in our
bodies, such as E coli. 

542
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,320
We have that in our bodies and 
on our skin. 

543
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,520
Like it's not it's in our it's 
in our gut, it's on our skin, 

544
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,719
our dogs, our cats the same. 
It's just a matter of keeping 

545
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,760
those levels in check from non 
pathogenic to the non pathogenic

546
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,239
bacteria. 
So or what we call. 

547
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,040
Good bacteria and bad bacteria 
versus. 

548
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Bad, I really try hard would I 
learn something like that to 

549
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,719
like stop using that kind of 
terminology good versus bad 

550
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,920
because they're not bad in the 
sense that we want to eradicate 

551
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,800
them because this is a really 
delicate ecosystem that we're 

552
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,639
working with we. 
Just need to balance them. 

553
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,199
Yes. 
And that's something that I 

554
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:59,440
really, I, I really want people 
to understand a little bit 

555
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000
better and and maybe hopefully I
can kind of work this into my 

556
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,920
content once I get back to my 
content a little bit better is 

557
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120
that this is a delicate 
ecosystem that we are working 

558
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,560
with. 
And so it might be like we have 

559
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,800
this mindset of like, again, a 
pill for every ill and like, 

560
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,400
this is going wrong with my pet 
and I want to stop it. 

561
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,600
And we do this with behavior a 
lot too. 

562
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,240
And it's like, no, it's not 
about stopping the behavior. 

563
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,800
It's about what we want our dog 
to do instead. 

564
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,480
What what we want that gut 
microbiome to look like instead 

565
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,800
versus trying to kill off all 
the E coli. 

566
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
That's not that's not a real 
world like scenario. 

567
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,920
That's not going to happen, 
right? 

568
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600
We're not going to be healthy 
and kill off all the E coli. 

569
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,120
No. 
And it's it's one of those 

570
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,800
things where it's like getting 
to the root of the problem has 

571
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,200
stopped being important. 
And like, I will never 

572
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,680
understand that because if my 
kid is acting out or my friend 

573
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,280
or my husband is having a bad 
day, I'm not just going to slip.

574
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,520
I'm a Prozac. 
I'm going to ask them what's 

575
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,440
going on. 
Yeah, right. 

576
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Like that is, to me, like the 
most basic thing. 

577
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,280
And when it comes to the gut, 
because I science, I'm giving. 

578
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,120
You, I'm giving you permission 
when you see me to see if you 

579
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,800
have Prozac. 
Give you a Prozac. 

580
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Noted. 
Noted. 

581
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
I will give you a Prozac. 
I don't. 

582
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,400
I'd have to steal them from my 
husband and my child, but yeah, 

583
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,640
we are. 
We're a Prozac family over here.

584
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Nothing wrong with slipping a 
little something to manage your 

585
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,480
anxiety. 
But the reality is like, I feel 

586
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
like like that makes perfect 
sense to us, right? 

587
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Like that we would not just slip
somebody like a tranquilizer 

588
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
when they're having a bad day. 
But when we go to the doctor and

589
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,760
we're saying we're itching, 
they're just slipping us a 

590
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,440
tranquilizer for the itchiness. 
And it's like we're not getting 

591
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,120
to the why is it itching? 
And it's so frustrating because 

592
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,160
it's just become the most common
thing to do. 

593
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,880
And like as consumers, most 
consumers are just fine with it.

594
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Like my family and I couldn't be
more different when it comes to 

595
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,400
that. 
Like I'm the type to ask 

596
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
questions to figure out what the
cause is come. 

597
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,760
I want to find out how we can 
fix it from the root, not like 

598
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,720
just make it go away for a 
second and then it just comes 

599
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,360
back rearing its ugly head 
again. 

600
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,440
But my family is like super cool
with being like, Oh yeah, the 

601
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,680
pill fix it. 
Yeah, it doesn't fix it. 

602
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Though it doesn't exactly, it 
just depresses the symptoms. 

603
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,200
So finding out what where your 
pet lie like stands in their in 

604
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:47,400
their gut health and in their 
liver health is really so basic 

605
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,080
not just for allergies, but for 
like longevity for energy 

606
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,360
levels, especially as your dog 
is older and taxed. 

607
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360
I mean, all of our dogs are 
exposed to our dogs and cats, 

608
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
dogs more. 
If you have an indoor cat, you 

609
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,600
can kind of control the toxins 
better. 

610
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,920
Not to say that our homes are 
perfectly toxin free. 

611
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
I know they're not. 
Anytime you bring anything home 

612
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,200
from the mall, from Amazon, 
you're something's off gassing 

613
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,000
and your cats probably taking it
all in. 

614
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,040
But like, your pets are coming 
outside to where it was just 

615
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,320
sprayed for mosquitoes. 
Your dogs are walking and 

616
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,000
licking and swimming in water 
that maybe, you know, not 

617
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
optimal, even though it's 
considered safe to swim in, in a

618
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,960
lake or something. 
So all these things they're 

619
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400
taking in so much. 
And so when they're now exposed 

620
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,120
to something that causes high 
histamine and now their bodies 

621
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200
just can't handle it. 
And so I, I know one thing I 

622
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,160
always do is I try to support my
pets liver before and after 

623
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,560
vaccines. 
Can you speak to kind of like if

624
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640
that was something that somebody
is facing right now, what they 

625
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,200
could do just because vaccines 
right now, high histamine, kind 

626
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,880
of a recipe for disaster? 
It is I, yeah. 

627
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720
And and I will answer that. 
But kind of to go back to what 

628
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,960
you were saying, This is why it 
is so important that we are 

629
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,400
doing these kind of like really 
low level daily detoxing with 

630
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,040
like intentionality of the foods
that we're eating and the foods 

631
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,080
that we're feeding our dogs. 
Which is why. 

632
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,400
And again, we we have learned 
through a lot of the data that 

633
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,640
Animal Biome has has gathered 
over the past handful of years 

634
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,320
that raw fed dogs, generally 
speaking, are not getting enough

635
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,120
plant matter in their diets. 
And this is one of the reasons 

636
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,320
why this is that is so important
for us to address as pet parents

637
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,360
who are especially raw feeders 
like myself, because these like 

638
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,160
low level daily detoxes that 
we're doing with plant matter 

639
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,040
is, is what is going to kind of 
keep our dogs and our cats and 

640
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,560
ourselves. 
Able to handle all of it, all of

641
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,400
what is thrown at us on a daily 
basis. 

642
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,280
All of those things you were 
talking about where we can't we 

643
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,960
can't manage the fact that the 
park down the street is being 

644
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,720
sprayed with glyphosate. 
We can't necessarily manage 

645
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:18,440
that. 
Yeah, we. 

646
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,760
We have to buy a new couch, 
right. 

647
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,680
And it doesn't matter where 
we're getting that couch from, 

648
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,560
it's going to off gas. 
Like those are the things that 

649
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,000
it's easy to be become really 
overwhelmed with because it's 

650
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,200
everywhere around us. 
But if we're doing this these, 

651
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,520
these, like really simple things
daily that our bodies are much 

652
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,680
better equipped to handle these 
like, not regular, but, you 

653
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
know, every so often influxes 
that we're getting. 

654
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,800
But yeah, if we are having to do
a vaccine, which is not my 

655
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,160
favorite thing in the world, 
but, you know, everybody's in a 

656
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,040
different position. 
And you as as a pet parent, have

657
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,840
to decide what's going to be 
best for your pet and your 

658
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,800
family. 
I believe the protocol. 

659
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,920
I actually have Rita Hogan's new
book right here on my desk right

660
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520
now that I'm reading. 
I believe her protocol. 

661
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
And everybody has different 
protocols, but I believe Rita's 

662
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,320
protocol is 2 weeks before and 
eight weeks after of Milk 

663
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Thistle. 
This is something that I do with

664
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,800
dogs regularly anyway. 
I do it with myself. 

665
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,600
I'm currently finishing up an 8 
week cycle of milk Thistle for, 

666
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,920
for me. 
And I, you know, I think it's 

667
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,520
important, you know, this is a 
really gentle herb that we can 

668
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,000
use that can really do wonders 
for our liver. 

669
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,920
I also, and this is not in 
anybody's protocol but mine, I 

670
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,520
use a full spectrum hemp extract
with my dog and with myself and 

671
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,560
while yes, I really enjoy the 
calming benefits, especially if 

672
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,480
I give myself way too much of 
it. 

673
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Super Suit 2024 or 2023? 
It might have been 4 because I 

674
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,600
was in a bad way last year. 
I think it was 20. 

675
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,080
No, no, it might have been 23. 
It might have been 23. 

676
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,400
I should have. 
I should have. 

677
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,920
She wanted to do it last year. 
She. 

678
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:41,880
She was so relaxed, so relaxed. 
I had to be like, do you want to

679
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,560
go somewhere? 
Do you want to just sit here? 

680
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,880
What are we doing? 
Because she did she and it was 

681
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,480
it was the CBD dog health right?
Yeah, well, I so I put it, I put

682
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,120
the horse tincture in the dog 
bottle for traveling and I 

683
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,200
forgot. 
That's what I did. 

684
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,360
And I was like, I took my 
regular dose in the morning, 

685
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,160
which is just my regular, no, 
nothing's going to happen to me 

686
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640
dose. 
And then some stuff happened 

687
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,880
during the day where I was like,
I can't handle this, I need to 

688
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
do something. 
And somebody was like, I don't 

689
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,600
remember. 
It might have even been you. 

690
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
You're like, don't have your CBD
And like, I took a whole dropper

691
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,400
full, forgetting that it was the
horse tincture. 

692
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,080
So I wound up with like, I don't
know, over 100 milligrams that 

693
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,560
day. 
But I will say that you 

694
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,800
obviously took too much, but 
it's not like you were sick. 

695
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,680
You weren't, you weren't like 
fool. 

696
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,960
You were just so relaxed. 
Yeah, which obviously I don't 

697
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
know I'll, I'll never reach that
level of relax, I don't think. 

698
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,400
But maybe I'll try it at super 
soon this year, I'll get myself 

699
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680
some horse CBD. 
And so for those who are not 

700
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,480
familiar with Rita Hogan, Rita 
is a canine herbalist and she 

701
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,720
just came out with a book 
actually speaking about Super 

702
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,080
Zoo. 
She's going to be doing, she's 

703
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,000
doing a book tour, but she's 
going to be at Super Zoo doing a

704
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
book tour or two or signing 
there. 

705
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,080
And her book is called the 
herbal dog holistic Canine 

706
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
herbalism. 
So it's very much anticipated. 

707
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,240
She is the leader in canine 
herbalism in the industry. 

708
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,320
And so we've all been looking 
forward to her book. 

709
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,240
So if you're looking to do some 
kind of things with your pets 

710
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:30,200
that start with DIY remedy stuff
at home, this is a great book 

711
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,240
for you. 
I'm going to get mine signed. 

712
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,760
Yeah, yes, I am too. 
But I think in July she's 

713
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,120
because she's going to be here 
in July too. 

714
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,920
When you come for the summit, 
The nautical dog. 

715
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Yes, I'm going to Yorktown or 
not Yorktown. 

716
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,560
Well, I'm going to be in 
Yorktown too, but I'm going to 

717
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,680
be in Williamsburg with Jessica.
Jessica, tell us about that 

718
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,280
event real quick. 
So it is the third annual The 

719
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,360
More You Know Pet Wellness 
Summit hosted by the Nautical 

720
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,840
dog, my beautiful, beautiful 
friend Amanda, who I was lucky 

721
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,480
enough to have lunch with her on
Friday. 

722
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:15,320
Actually, she has had this indie
pet store for 19 years. 

723
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,680
So she's kind of OG and the 
healthy pet space and she, this 

724
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280
is her third year putting on the
event and it is like the event 

725
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,440
on the East Coast, which is 
pretty incredible. 

726
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,320
She kind of shot it out of the 
park the very first year and has

727
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,680
been trying to figure out how to
one up it every year since. 

728
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,240
And so this year we have trying 
to remember the speakers off the

729
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:46,160
top of my head, we have Connor 
Brady is the headliner, Amy Rens

730
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,600
is speaking, Susan Thixton is 
speaking, Rita Hogan is 

731
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,360
speaking, and I believe Doctor 
Katie Kangas is speaking as 

732
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,000
well. 
So it's going to be super fun, 

733
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,800
very informative. 
And I just, I mean, I, I say 

734
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,880
this is the season coming up in 
the summer that I look forward 

735
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,480
to every year because I feel 
like these are my people. 

736
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,040
Yeah, right. 
And like, we don't get to see 

737
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,800
each other except when events 
like these are going on. 

738
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,440
So yeah. 
And then of course, Super Zoo, 

739
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,680
because then we get J and Adrian
and you know. 

740
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,360
Well, so anybody who's in that 
area, Williamsburg, Yorktown, 

741
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Newport News, the Hampton Roads 
area of Virginia, Amy Runs is 

742
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,440
actually going to be at the 
Nautical Dog on April 12th. 

743
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,360
So that's coming up here soon. 
She's going to be talking about 

744
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Whole Foods versus synthetics 
for dogs and cats. 

745
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,840
And that is a free event at the 
Nautical Dog. 

746
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,880
So you can reserve a spot still 
again, that's the Nautical Dog. 

747
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:57,040
And for the for the more You 
know Summit 2025, it is sold 

748
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,080
out. 
So. 

749
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,480
I do believe no, there are some.
No it's not. 

750
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,640
Oh there are some tickets. 
Oh cool. 

751
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,240
So let me know if I need a 
ticket, but I wanted to invite 

752
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:11,000
my my client to. 
She will need a ticket if she 

753
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,520
goes. 
But I will need it right? 

754
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Because you're coming with me. 
Perfect. 

755
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Yay, I'm going to be at your 
booth, aren't I? 

756
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Yes, you're going to be at my 
booth because I am a sponsor for

757
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,600
a day. 
Amazing. 

758
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,160
So yeah. 
So anyway, back to the 

759
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,720
conversation at hand. 
The nautical dog. 

760
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,600
The gosh. 
Why can't I never? 

761
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,800
I think I know her name, but I 
know she doesn't like her name 

762
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,800
being said. 
Maple. 

763
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,840
Sailor's mom, yes. 
No, yes, says Rodney. 

764
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960
And Karen will be speaking at 
Super Zoo this year, which I 

765
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800
actually did not know, so that's
interesting. 

766
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
That's cool. 
I'm surprised they're coming 

767
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,640
back the second year in a row. 
Yeah, that's so cool. 

768
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,680
I'm glad I I thought they had 
fun. 

769
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Well, I thought they had fun, of
course, but I mean, they're also

770
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,920
like, you know, they have a PRR 
team and they're in demand. 

771
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480
They're busy. 
Well, I mean, Super Zoo knows 

772
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,440
what they're doing. 
So a little step back for those 

773
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,280
who are interested in Innovative
Pet Lab. 

774
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,640
Are you an affiliate with them? 
You can actually get their 

775
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,400
products on my website at 
jessicalfisher.com. 

776
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Perfect. 
So yeah. 

777
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,880
And the cost for the cat 
comprehensive gut check is 249 

778
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,320
and the cost for the dog 
comprehensive gut check is 99. 

779
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,520
And I mean, I know it sounds 
like a lot of money, but just 

780
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,840
think about all the steps that 
it saves you at the vet, all the

781
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,440
meds that it saves, like all the
trips back and forth, all the 

782
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,320
topicals that you're going to 
put on the skin and all that. 

783
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,840
So just think about that. 
And then Animal Biome, are you 

784
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,480
an affiliate with them as well 
or do they have one? 

785
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,920
Yeah, I have. 
Well, no, I, I think I have a 

786
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,240
wholesale account with them, but
I don't have their stuff on my 

787
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,840
website yet. 
But I also wanted to mention 

788
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,320
that Innovative Pet lab, because
I said earlier like they're, 

789
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440
they're coming out. 
They they've been coming out 

790
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
with stuff. 
They recently came out with a 

791
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,040
stress test for our pets as 
well, which I think is really 

792
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,040
darn cool. 
Cortisol. 

793
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Levels, yes, yes. 
So that's something that we can 

794
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,120
add on to any of the the 
comprehensive if we if we need 

795
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,200
to for a little bit of a fee. 
But she so dog Todd is saying 

796
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,080
super zoom has invited them to 
come as speakers this year, 

797
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,240
which is pretty cool. 
We'll have to look at school 

798
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,560
the. 
Schedule. 

799
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,360
Yeah, because we have our own 
schedule this. 

800
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Year we're trying to, not trying
to not overdo it like we do 

801
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,920
every year. 
Like last year I came home with 

802
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,400
COVID, I came home with COVID 
like I had never had COVID 

803
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,080
before. 
I've been to super Zoo, I've 

804
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,840
traveled all over. 
I never had COVID before and I 

805
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,000
was I feel like I was so rundown
that I ended up sick. 

806
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,240
I think almost everybody, like 
almost everybody I talked to, 

807
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,960
left with COVID. 
Yeah, yeah. 

808
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,920
And I know I've been exposed a 
million times. 

809
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
My husband had it, my kids had 
it. 

810
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,880
I didn't have it. 
So I know I've been exposed. 

811
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,000
It was just like my immune 
system was not working. 

812
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,960
I was so tired. 
I was so taxed. 

813
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,000
And I didn't even drink or party
that much. 

814
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,760
We were like in bed like normal 
times. 

815
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,720
We were. 2023 was way more fun. 
Yeah, I'll be. 

816
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,160
I'll be honest, it was way more 
fun. 

817
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,240
It was and she's bringing Maple 
cider this year, by the way, to 

818
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,960
meet her. 
Yes, I, I just, we need to have 

819
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
fun again this year and we are 
going to have fun again this 

820
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,560
year while getting our work 
done. 

821
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,480
We will get our. 
Course and we will book, we will

822
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,280
book so we can do this live 
there. 

823
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,280
We'll book the podcast capsule 
if they have it again, so we can

824
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,040
do this weekly pet roundup. 
It'll probably be on a Thursday,

825
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,320
I think Wednesday or Thursday 
depending on what day we decide 

826
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,720
to hit the show floor. 
But I did want to finish up. 

827
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:13,520
I is there anything that's 
missing from our conversation on

828
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,040
your end? 
Because I do want to ask you a 

829
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,960
question that I already know the
answer to, but I want to give 

830
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
you the opportunity to wrap 
anything up that's serious 

831
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:20,880
first. 
I don't. 

832
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Know, I mean I think. 
Use your tools. 

833
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,280
Use your tools. 
Yeah, there's so many podcasts. 

834
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,920
Have you done any podcast 
interviews specifically about 

835
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,560
allergies that people might want
to refer to? 

836
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Not specifically about 
allergies, no, but there are 

837
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,200
definitely podcasts on, you 
know, the polyphenol benefits 

838
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:52,600
of, of plants. 
There's a crap ton on gut 

839
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,920
health. 
Yeah, I think. 

840
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,840
And that's going to get to you 
where you need to be really at 

841
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,640
the end of the day. 
Yes, exactly. 

842
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Don't give up. 
Don't, don't put, you know, a 

843
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,800
Band-Aid on the symptoms by just
giving allergy meds. 

844
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,800
It's not something you'd want 
for yourself. 

845
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,720
So your pet probably won't want 
it for themselves either. 

846
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
And I just want to finish up 
Jessica asking you how you feel 

847
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,200
about veterinary diets for 
allergies. 

848
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,760
Wait, they have veterinary diets
for allergies? 

849
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,920
They do they do they? 
Have them for like food food 

850
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,120
allergies but like Oh my gosh. 
I am in general not a fan of 

851
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,360
veterinary diets. 
Most. 

852
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,480
OK, so Derm Complete 
environmental food sensitivity 

853
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:53,800
dry food from Hills Adult 
Sensitive stomach and skin 

854
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,600
chicken dry dog food, chicken 
based, chicken based. 

855
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,000
No, thank you. 
Which is the most common 

856
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
allergen, I think for both cats 
and dogs, right? 

857
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,280
Yeah, it absolutely just dogs. 
Yes. 

858
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:18,720
So here I no 99% of the theory 
behind those foods, whether they

859
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,040
call them prescription or 
veterinary or whatever they're 

860
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:28,200
calling them, the theory is oh 
crap, the food that we told you 

861
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,480
to buy and feed your dog caused 
a problem. 

862
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,040
So here's another food that we 
make to to fix it and it that 

863
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,960
that's what these are and with. 
Sounds familiar? 

864
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,760
Sounds like the opioid crisis. 
Right with with a handful of 

865
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:53,440
them, the nutrients are so 
inappropriate for the species 

866
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,840
they are feeding that they have 
to be sold to you through a 

867
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,880
veterinarian because they are 
supposed to be modern monitoring

868
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,080
their nutrient levels because I.
Did not know that. 

869
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,160
That's why you can't just go and
buy a kidney diet without a 

870
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,920
prescription from your 
veterinarian because the protein

871
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:22,280
levels are so low that literally
that species cannot live with 

872
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,160
that low of a protein because 
they are carnivores. 

873
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,480
They start muscle wasting. 
They start pulling amino acids 

874
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,120
from their own muscle because 
they're not getting it from 

875
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,120
their diet. 
So in my opinion, while there 

876
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:43,680
are some things that if they are
advanced enough we would want to

877
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,120
make adjustments to the 
nutrients, most of the time we 

878
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,200
really just need to get these 
dogs or cats on a species 

879
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,680
appropriate diet and we're going
to see a lot of resolution with 

880
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,400
just that. 
Yes. 

881
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,960
And one thing I'll add before we
conclude is I know that it's 

882
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,840
really, I had a friend and I'm 
thinking of one person, but I 

883
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,520
know people reach out to me 
about pet stuff all the time. 

884
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,840
I had one friend whose dog was 
miserable, miserable, miserable,

885
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,640
miserable, you know, skin 
allergies. 

886
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,200
It's a, it's a Frenchie, I 
believe. 

887
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,400
So, you know, I don't know about
the breeding and where they got 

888
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200
the dog. 
And you know, Frenchies are 

889
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,440
probably the most misbred, 
poorly bred dog right now breed 

890
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
right now. 
So it is really tough when I see

891
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,400
somebody is like getting one, 
maybe not informed and then they

892
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760
have all these issues with them.
And that's why puppy mills are 

893
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,400
so dangerous because you not 
only spend a ton of money on a 

894
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,880
dog that's not up to par, but 
you also have to deal with the 

895
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,280
consequences of that for the 
remainder of their life, which 

896
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,840
could be short, could be long, 
we don't know. 

897
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,040
So they, she reached out to me 
and she, you know, asked me and 

898
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,000
I referred her to you and Kara, 
you know, I think first and 

899
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,360
foremost, we need to look at the
diet first and foremost. 

900
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,160
We need to look at the gut first
and foremost. 

901
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,680
We need to look at like just 
organ function and things like 

902
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
that. 
And I get so frustrated because 

903
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,840
I don't, from what I know, I 
don't believe that they reached 

904
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,600
out to either one of you guys. 
And I know that these people are

905
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,440
really great pet parents, but I 
think something stops us from 

906
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,560
pulling the trigger on doing 
something that's not what our 

907
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,720
vet has historically said. 
And I do believe that it takes 

908
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:31,280
some gumption and it takes some 
courage to kind of go against 

909
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,720
the grain. 
I recognize that. 

910
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,160
But I assure you that you will 
one, not be hurting your pet by 

911
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,360
looking at these things. 
You're not going to hurt them 

912
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:48,000
because a fecal test or you 
know, swab of some sort is not 

913
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
going to hurt them in any way. 
And then it's going to arm you 

914
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,560
with information. 
So what if it doesn't get 

915
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,760
resolved? 
You're out $300.00, which you 

916
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,560
would have been out $300.00 at 
the vet. 

917
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,400
So now you're breaking even 
basically. 

918
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,280
Because I mean, with you when 
you go just to see the vet and 

919
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,160
just to get the Apoquel, you're 
out $300.00 minimum. 

920
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,360
So you're breaking even at at 
best, worst breaking even, I 

921
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,000
guess. 
And at best you're getting an 

922
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,200
answer. 
So I, I challenge those who are 

923
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,920
really struggling to just like 
contact somebody like Jessica or

924
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,360
contact somebody like Cara or 
contact, you know, anybody. 

925
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080
It's not because I know Jessica 
and I love her and she's one of 

926
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,440
my best friends, but like I know
something stopping you from 

927
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
doing that. 
But like, these people are not 

928
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,160
out to get you. 
These people are not out to 

929
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,920
steal your money. 
I'm sure you offer a 

930
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,760
consultation where you can 
discuss things without a huge 

931
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,480
investment. 
I encourage you to think outside

932
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,800
the box because you have to be 
the advocate for your pet. 

933
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,320
And if you see your pet is 
miserable, you see your pet is 

934
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,720
licking, you see your pet has 
open sores on their skin, their 

935
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,400
eyes are gooey and disgusting 
and like all these things, 

936
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,000
that's just what you see. 
You're not getting what they're 

937
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
feeling because they can't tell 
you. 

938
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,800
So advocate for them. 
Challenge the preconceived 

939
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,240
notions of what it's like to 
potentially feed something 

940
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,640
you're not used to feeding. 
Really do what's best for your 

941
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,600
pet, even if it is a little more
expensive. 

942
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,200
Just because I promise you, I 
promise you that most of the 

943
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,760
people who are on this side have
been where you are. 

944
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,440
And the reason we're so 
passionate about these other 

945
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,160
modalities and these others 
approaches is because we have 

946
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,640
seen the difference that they 
can make. 

947
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,360
And like, I'm just one of 
millions of people who will tell

948
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,040
you if you go to like any of 
these natural groups, you know, 

949
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:45,280
natural pet groups on Facebook 
or if you follow Jessica or Kim 

950
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,800
Gautier or any of these people 
or Oh my gosh, what's his name? 

951
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,720
Roth eating one O 1. 
Why is his name escaping me? 

952
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Right now, Well, he sold it to 
somebody. 

953
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,000
I don't know that person. 
Well, he he, he is the reason 

954
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,840
I'm using his name. 
Why can't I remember his name? 

955
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,360
He's a great guy. 
Scott. 

956
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,080
Scott. 
Scott. 

957
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,360
Something Scott J Marshall 
Marshall Marshall. 

958
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,840
So Scott, the reason everybody 
gets into these things is 

959
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,680
because they're where you are. 
Like it's because their pet 

960
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,840
showed up with something really,
really rough and really hard to 

961
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,080
deal with and something that the
vet couldn't address. 

962
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,400
So the vet kept giving meds for 
and they knew that there was a 

963
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,000
better way. 
So like, use your resources, 

964
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
don't be scared and don't just 
assume that it's going to cost 

965
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,800
you a fortune. 
Like I promise you what these 

966
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,000
people are charging is not 
enough for what they should be 

967
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
charging. 
That's the first thing. 

968
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,040
Like it's not enough. 
They've they're paying for all 

969
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,480
these certifications to learn 
what they're teaching you or 

970
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,040
sharing with you and they're not
charging enough. 

971
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,400
I guarantee you, you'd go more. 
You're probably more likely to 

972
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,320
go broke at the vet than you are
working with somebody like 

973
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,240
Jessica or Kara or buying these 
kits that we're talking about. 

974
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Just think outside the box. 
I can't say it enough. 

975
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Like if you know, the definition
of insanity is doing the same 

976
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,000
thing over and over again and 
expecting different results. 

977
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
And like I see so many pet 
parents falling in that trap and

978
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,760
it just breaks my heart for the 
pet mostly. 

979
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Yeah. 
Well, what I, what I have 

980
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,080
realized is that when we just 
blindly listen to whatever our 

981
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,600
veterinarian says to do, and 
nothing is getting better, but 

982
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,760
we just keep listening to them, 
It's, it's a very disempowering 

983
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,480
place to be. 
And my goal whenever I'm working

984
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,520
with somebody is to empower them
to be their pets advocate and to

985
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:42,680
actually help their pet thrive. 
And, and, and the truth is that 

986
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:50,000
that leap is scary to go from, I
have this professional that I 

987
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,480
trust implicitly to, Oh my gosh,
this is my responsibility now. 

988
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,360
Like that's a, this is scary 
leap, but it's totally possible.

989
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,440
And I think that's why it's also
important to utilize. 

990
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,720
And again, not just myself, 
somebody like Cara or another, 

991
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:14,280
you know, nutritionist and pet 
health coach it it, it is very 

992
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,480
like they're going to help you 
feel empowered. 

993
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,560
They're going to help you 
understand the why to what we're

994
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,880
doing to what? 
Because I'm never sitting here, 

995
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,760
I will never talk to somebody 
like a veterinarian will talk to

996
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,120
me saying this is what you need 
to do or you're going to kill 

997
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,240
your dog, right? 
Like they're veterinarians have 

998
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,720
not just to me, I don't, I 
countless number of people have 

999
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,160
posted that that's happened to 
them, right? 

1000
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,240
It's happened to me. 
We're a veterinarian. 

1001
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,200
In fact, recently I had a 
veterinarian try to tell me that

1002
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,440
everything I was doing with my 
dog is wrong. 

1003
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,920
And I will never talk to 
somebody like that because that 

1004
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,920
doesn't help you learn anything.
And that's my goal is for you to

1005
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,440
understand like the why behind 
what we're doing so that you 

1006
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,040
really do feel empowered and you
can actually take that on, take 

1007
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,760
that information and like work 
with every dog you have. 

1008
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,080
Go down the line forward 
exactly, exactly. 

1009
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,960
Well, and this applies to all 
medical the whole medical 

1010
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,960
community. 
I think it's, you know, it is, 

1011
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
it is. 
There's a right way to do 

1012
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,840
things, right? 
There's a standard in the 

1013
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,960
medical community, and that's 
totally cool. 

1014
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,320
That's totally like, obviously 
your doctor, they shouldn't be 

1015
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,800
giving you your dog. 
Your veterinarian is not going 

1016
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,400
to go rogue either and be like, 
yeah, you know, F vaccines, like

1017
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,320
they'd lose their license if 
they did something like that, 

1018
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,560
right. 
So knowing understanding where 

1019
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,280
they're coming from and their 
training and their licensing and

1020
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,560
what they're the standards 
they're held to are not the only

1021
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,560
option is always a really great 
place to be Like for me, for my 

1022
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,000
kids. 
My kids go to their annual 

1023
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,440
checkup every year. 
We decline certain things every 

1024
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,600
year. 
We will accept medication for 

1025
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,440
things. 
A lot of other parents in 

1026
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,000
general would never accept you. 
My son has ADHD. 

1027
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,520
We've tried a bunch of stuff 
and, you know, to help him. 

1028
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,640
I will do anything, whether it's
medical establishment or, you 

1029
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,520
know, alternative medicine, 
whatever I will try. 

1030
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,640
I will do things based on my gut
and my knowledge of him. 

1031
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,160
So I am all about it. 
But I recognize that, you know, 

1032
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,880
this person is going to come at 
me with this versus this 

1033
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,280
person's going to come at me 
with this. 

1034
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,480
And I think one last resource I 
want to share is Doctor Katie 

1035
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,440
Woodley. 
I think she's really fantastic. 

1036
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,720
I know she's put up a lot of 
things about allergies. 

1037
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,360
Doctor Katie Woodley is a 
veterinarian, but she is an 

1038
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,840
alternative modality. 
She's comfortable with an 

1039
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,000
alternative. 
She does a lot of testing, too. 

1040
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,960
She and I spoke about my son and
she gave me some ideas a few 

1041
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,720
years ago at Super Zoo. 
So that's another really great 

1042
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,880
resource if you're looking for 
something more medical like, 

1043
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,840
right, like you want to go to a 
veterinarian. 

1044
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,520
So there you go. 
You have that option and there 

1045
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,000
are other options. 
I mean, there are plenty of 

1046
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,560
holistic veterinarians that 
actually are probably on your 

1047
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,480
show. 
Yeah, no, I love, I love how 

1048
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,880
doctor, doctor Katie Woodley is 
really like honed in on like 

1049
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,480
everything she does is about the
gut. 

1050
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:32,160
It's all about the gut. 
So yeah, yeah, I think that 

1051
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,920
pretty much covers it and I hope
it this can help people maybe 

1052
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,640
survive allergy season this year
and every year moving. 

1053
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,040
Forward. 
Yeah, the the tree outside my 

1054
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,000
house is waving around like 
crazy. 

1055
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,080
Like so, so crazy. 
And the other tree next to it is

1056
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,440
just now blooming. 
And we have a sandstorm. 

1057
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,480
So you like, literally it's so 
windy here that the sand from 

1058
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,800
the desert gets picked up and 
thrown all over the place. 

1059
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,520
And my son has a cough. 
And I'm like, well, it could be 

1060
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,800
a virus. 
It just could be the 

1061
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,360
environment. 
Like, it could just be how 

1062
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,240
miserable it is here. 
We have a little enclosed patio 

1063
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,520
and you can't be out there. 
Like everything is covered in 

1064
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,320
dust. 
Everything is covered in dirt 

1065
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,240
and sand. 
And it is so dry. 

1066
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,640
And it's so like my skin was 
itching yesterday. 

1067
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,560
And I think a lot of it has to 
do with the environment. 

1068
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,800
So before you start medicating 
on that random things, also take

1069
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,680
a look at what might be coming 
around because it is still, 

1070
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,680
we're still kind of in like flu,
COVID season and allergy season 

1071
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,560
all at the same time, depending 
on where you are. 

1072
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,000
What's the temperature like in 
Hampton Roads area? 

1073
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,960
Yesterday it was like 80 and it 
rained. 

1074
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,440
It thunderstormed overnight so I
think it was like 60 ish. 

1075
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,760
So you guys similar? 
Yeah, temperatures to us right 

1076
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,320
now. 
We're we're about there right 

1077
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,320
now. 
We were 55 this morning when we 

1078
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,120
woke up and my daughter wanted 
to put on hot shorts like she 

1079
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,520
likes to wear, like her Daisy 
Dukes, which, you know, is a 

1080
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,400
whole other conversation. 
And I had to be like, no, we're 

1081
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,880
wearing pants because it's still
55°. 

1082
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,280
She's ready for summer. 
She's a gymnast. 

1083
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,160
She thinks she's a gymnast. 
So that's the hot pants. 

1084
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,280
But yeah, so just make sure that
you're taking care of both your 

1085
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,960
immune system, your allergies, 
supporting yourself, rinsing off

1086
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,080
all that yuck and getting your 
dogs bait. 

1087
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,520
If your dogs bathed, if you're 
in a situation where it's really

1088
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,080
nasty out, that might be that 
might something to help. 

1089
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,520
Yeah, wait there, Pause when 
they come in. 

1090
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,200
Yeah. 
I mean, I think that's something

1091
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,160
we should be doing anyway, but 
certainly anyway. 

1092
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,360
Especially if they get in your 
bed. 

1093
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,880
Now that's another conversation.
But that you really want them to

1094
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,720
get a bath every, you know, 
regularly. 

1095
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,840
A lot of us let it go too far. 
Too far. 

1096
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,680
My dog gets a bath. 
Mobile vet comes every month, 

1097
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,280
once a month, no exceptions. 
And she probably could use a 

1098
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,040
bath every two weeks because she
gets so nasty outside. 

1099
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,840
She rolls around in the dirt and
then she's bringing all of that 

1100
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,760
in. 
So you know, it is what it is. 

1101
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,200
It's part of pet ownership, pet 
parenting, sharing our lives 

1102
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,640
with our pets. 
We hope you have a great week. 

1103
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Thank you guys for joining us. 
This will be on the feed on the 

1104
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,160
Pet Parenting Reset and this 
week I am interviewing on 

1105
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,800
Thursday, 3:00 PM Mountain 
Standard Time, so 5:00 PM 

1106
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,720
Eastern. 
I have a guest, Erin, who's 

1107
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,640
promoting a really fun pet 
contest. 

1108
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,920
So join me for some drinks, a 
happy hour, some conversation. 

1109
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,320
I think I will share the 
information about that so you 

1110
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,440
can get started and follow her 
on Thursday morning because I 

1111
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,080
have so much to do to catch up 
still from my trip to Spain and 

1112
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,800
my cruise with the Texas 
Packers. 

1113
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,560
Yes. 
I know I want I wanted to ask 

1114
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,440
you about that. 
We're we're so overtime right 

1115
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,120
now we're. 
So overtime, but it was so good.

1116
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,840
It was. 
The cruise was amazing. 

1117
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,920
I I love that I. 
Love that the cruise was so much

1118
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,720
fun. 
Like, I feel like, think about 

1119
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,560
all of us getting all of our 
Super Zoo people, Yeah, and 

1120
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,520
going on a cruise together. 
I mean, what could be better? 

1121
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,160
Exactly like that's it was like 
the it's the same thing. 

1122
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,080
It's like this great group of 
people. 

1123
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,240
I adore the Texas Pet Sitters 
Conference people. 

1124
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,479
They've invited me next year, 
2025 or 2026 to MC again. 

1125
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,279
I spoke twice and then SEED this
year, which is a lot. 

1126
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,920
And it was really fun and it was
just really cool to get away. 

1127
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,680
My mom came with me and she met 
everybody and she was like, 

1128
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,200
you're such a good group. 
And I'm like, you got to come to

1129
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,880
Super Zoo one day to meet all 
those people too. 

1130
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,000
I don't think, I don't think she
can hang, you know? 

1131
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,399
Well, I'm glad that she went 
with you and you had a blast. 

1132
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:49,439
And I, you know, I know it's not
a, it's not a cruise next year, 

1133
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,600
but hopefully, hopefully I'll 
get to hang out with you guys 

1134
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,479
next year. 
Yes, exactly. 

1135
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,080
And my goal is to get well, my 
hope is that we all end up 

1136
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,560
there. 
And next year's Texas Pet 

1137
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Sitters Conference, for those 
that are in the pet sitting 

1138
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:09,000
industry, is in Austin and it is
open to pet sitters from all 

1139
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,200
over the world. 
You do not have to be from Texas

1140
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,720
to attend. 
A lot of our members that attend

1141
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,040
every year from Virginia, 
Connecticut, lots of 

1142
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Californians. 
We've had people from Canada in 

1143
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,840
the past. 
We even had a speaker from 

1144
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,479
Ireland last year. 
I think it was. 

1145
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,359
Yeah, it'll be really fun. 
And yeah. 

1146
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,960
And then Spain was crazy, too. 
Spain is fun. 

1147
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,560
I can't wait to go back. 
But the tickets are too 

1148
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,600
expensive. 
I was looking at flights today 

1149
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,600
and I was like, shocked. 
I was like what? 

1150
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,680
OK. 
Well, I spent 500 and some 

1151
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,600
dollars to get to Williamsburg, 
but I am flying into Norfolk. 

1152
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,120
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's usually cheaper there

1153
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,680
than Newport News. 
That's yeah. 

1154
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,000
I mean, I do Southwest. 
So I was like, Southwest doesn't

1155
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,880
even fly into Newport News, I 
don't think. 

1156
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,480
So I just went with that. 
Yeah. 

1157
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,960
But yeah, it's getting 
expensive, guys. 

1158
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,400
It is. 
Hang in there. 

1159
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,400
All right. 
Hope to see you next week. 

1160
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,480
We're doing it Tuesdays again. 
It's 3:00 PM Mountain Standard 

1161
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,800
Time, 4:00 PM. 
Central, 5:00 PM. 

1162
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,840
Now that you're in five, you're 
5:00 PM Eastern. 

1163
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,600
Eastern. 
Yes. 

1164
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,200
So we will see you then guys. 
Thanks. 

1165
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,240
Again, for joining us, bye bye.