1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,400 Oh my gosh, I must have a filter on. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:12,720 Oh well, we've started and I am going to try to get Lauren in 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,920 here from Girls Con Raw. I'm really excited for today. 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,160 Well, hello there she is. OK, so I'm going to try to 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:28,600 accept. Let's see if that works. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,360 Hello, everybody. Thank you so much for being 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,480 here. Hello you. 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,800 Know it's funny, before that live that I did with Doctor 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,720 Katie, I built this whole wall. And I was like. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,120 You know what? So cute. 11 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,640 It's like I should put a brand up there somewhere. 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,680 So welcome to my official Instagram Live backdrop, 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,160 apparently. It's adorable, I like it. 14 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,680 It's very aesthetic. Got my forever dog life there of 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,120 course. Yes love, love forever dog and 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,120 forever dog life. I haven't made anything out of 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:07,200 it yet. Have you tried? 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,880 I did the lycopene liquors. It was like a watermelon 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,480 popsicle, OK? It did not look like the book. 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,360 The book was all acidic and it was like you could see the 21 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:26,400 definite layers in my to have a very poppin basil plant in the 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,840 backyard. And I was like, I have a 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,840 watermelon rotting on my counter. 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Let's see what we can make out of this. 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,720 And yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was during that time when it 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,400 was like 107° here. It was so hot and my poor 27 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:43,480 Rottweiler was like melting so. OK, you're on the East Coast. 28 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,000 What part? Ohio, Central Ohio, yes. 29 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,280 All right. So for some reason, I mean, we 30 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,720 haven't had a hot summer like this in a long time. 31 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,400 So weather is weird, definitely. And then we had flooding. 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,120 That's really not normal. Well, I think a lot of not 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,480 normal stuff is happening this year. 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,120 Like maybe the entire year, like the last 10. 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,039 Yeah, I know. I'm like if any year has turned 36 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,760 me into a conspiracy theorist, it's it's been the last couple 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,520 for sure. Well, Speaking of, we're going 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,920 to talk about feeding our dogs and cats a species appropriate 39 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:25,760 diet today. And I'm so excited that Lauren 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,720 from Girls Gone Raw Pet Health is joining me today. 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880 And you too tell tell everybody what you do. 42 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:32,760 So I don't. Butcher it. 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,560 Yeah. So we make dehydrated, locally 44 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,360 farmed for the most part, pet treats and chews. 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,280 So it's essentially what you would see as like the body part 46 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,640 company. And that's me. 47 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,040 I sorry, I'm trying to figure out my angle here. 48 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,120 I, I really love of the relationship that we've made 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,680 with farmers around us. It's definitely a slow grow. 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,320 Like my quail farmer, we basically invested in him. 51 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,280 I think it's called Renewed Roots LLC. 52 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,080 He was an electrician and I believe wanted to get more to 53 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,880 homesteading for his family. And he's like, I'll start 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,560 raising quail your way, you know, the clean, holistic, happy 55 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,560 quail way. If we can come up with an 56 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,720 agreement. So we work together and got him 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,080 completely set up and now he's like super invested and growing 58 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,400 the operation, which is super cool. 59 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,440 So all of our coil are raised specifically for us and it's 60 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,200 really cool. Yes, with the just some of the 61 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,400 relationships I've gotten to make of the last couple years, 62 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,880 but everything is dehydrated, so low temperature for a long time. 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,320 And I have some props here. We are known to to make some of 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,040 the the weird kind of niche stuff. 65 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,720 So we have like whole pray quail and like I said, that's from my 66 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,400 really awesome farmer out of Northeast Ohio. 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,440 He also freeze dries coil chicks for us because I'm a crazy cat 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,120 lady and I wanted to make sure that I had something that was 69 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:04,760 soft and species appropriate for my very crazy cats. 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,720 So yeah, we have these little guys, which I'll go into that a 71 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,600 little bit later, but I have a whole spiel kind of about those 72 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,360 because the baby things make people sad. 73 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,600 But basically the whole premise of my company and my philosophy 74 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,400 as a person and my background and how I got here. 75 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,760 I worked in zoo medicine. I've worked in, you know, 76 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,600 biology, anatomy, veterinary science for my whole life, and 77 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,120 I've never understood anything more than the fact that food is 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,520 medicine and enriching the animal is vital. 79 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,400 Yes, and that's the basis of everything for this company's 80 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,280 enrichment. And food is medicine. 81 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,960 Well, and I think those two really go hand in hand when we 82 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:56,440 talk about our pets, especially that we realize how enriching it 83 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,200 is for our pets to be feeding them species appropriate foods. 84 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:08,080 And I actually just did a live maybe two weeks ago with Carol 85 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,960 from mind Pep player and I I've been using her platters because 86 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,320 I had her on the podcast maybe two years ago. 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,640 So I've had the pliers for maybe it's a little bit more than two 88 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,360 years, I'm not sure, but somewhere around there And just 89 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:29,480 the science behind like how we feed our pets is so fascinating 90 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:36,160 to me, not coming from like that wildlife or even like to biology 91 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:42,120 background, but understanding that like our dogs and cats 92 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,480 really shouldn't, we shouldn't see them. 93 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:48,760 That's because they have evolved and just because they look like 94 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,280 house pets, their brains are very instinctual still. 95 00:05:52,280 --> 00:05:56,320 And we know that because they like to shred and chase and tug 96 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,720 and hunt cats especially. And like I have board cats with 97 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,280 a very small house, but it's like the best we can do in this 98 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,080 economy, you know what I mean? And that's, yeah, enrichment. 99 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,520 It's it's not just feed the body, feed the mind too. 100 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,200 It's taking care of the whole. Animal, so let's first of all 101 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:22,760 jump back first so I'm going to just OK, we will definitely try 102 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,720 to get to any questions you guys have so keep posting them. 103 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,960 I see that we, we already have a really good question, but I 104 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:36,720 wanted to jump back quickly because kibble, commercial pet 105 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,680 food in general, but like the dry stuff in a bag, the stuff in 106 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,480 a can, that's actually what's new for our pets. 107 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:49,800 If we look at like the history of existence of, you know, these 108 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,920 animals on the planet, even through domestication for our 109 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,680 dogs, I think there's argument that we're still currently 110 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,920 domesticating cats. But if we look at dogs, I think 111 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,960 everybody's pretty well settled on the fact that we have 112 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,640 domesticated many breeds of dogs. 113 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,200 We've done a done a lot of work on that species for sure. 114 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,400 Yeah. So even through the 115 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:18,000 domestication process, dogs still ate pretty natural diet. 116 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:24,360 It's only since, I mean, pet food in general came about in 117 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,760 the late 1800s, but we didn't really see kibble until like 118 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:33,440 1950s, roughly there in the 1950s. 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,320 So I mean, we're less than 100 years in to what I think we are 120 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,040 already seeing as a failed experiment. 121 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,400 At least you and I, I think, can agree. 122 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,640 Cancer rates and those cancer rates and those cancer rates and 123 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,160 those cancer rates and the lighting of the lifespan ever 124 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,960 like, well, modern medicine. They should be living longer 125 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,960 with modern medicine that we have, honestly. 126 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,480 Well, well, and I think that's a whole other topic, quite 127 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:06,160 honestly, that we are starting to see humans talk about for us. 128 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,600 But the the human medical system and the pet medical system 129 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,240 really mirror each other in a lot of ways. 130 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,120 And I think even worse in our veterinary medical system 131 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,600 because the liability isn't there, you know, they pets are 132 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,760 still considered property. So the. 133 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,400 Still kind of disposable. Right. 134 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Dad, I'm so sorry. You should get a puppy. 135 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,679 That's not the point. I'm like, you know, I'm like. 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,559 That's. Just because I can replace it, 137 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,000 doesn't, you know, that's not the point of it. 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Yeah, absolutely. But really, I if I could get 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,400 like nothing across to anybody else. 140 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:50,040 Kibble is the experiment. Kibble is the new the new and 141 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,320 it's not working. So if we really look back at 142 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,800 like the history of what our dogs and our cats have been 143 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:03,600 eating forever and ever and ever, it is a prey that they 144 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,640 would catch in the wild or for our dogs, especially through the 145 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:14,440 domestication process, what was found in whatever it like if if 146 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:17,840 an animal were taken into a home, scraps that they were fed. 147 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,560 But if they were wild, they often would eat from like trash 148 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:28,000 piles and whatever excess that humans threw out, in addition to 149 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,560 hunting and and whatever they could find did carcasses in the 150 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:37,680 woods, all of that. So one of the things that I like 151 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:43,080 about what you're doing, it's not just that you are putting 152 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,040 out a healthy species appropriate product, but that 153 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:56,280 you are really like embracing the whole, well, I was going to 154 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:00,360 say like the whole like actual nature of how what they would 155 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,800 find and eat in the wild. Like we're bringing that back 156 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:03,760 onto the plate. That's. 157 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,240 Why I like to use the label specifically species 158 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,880 appropriate. It's yeah, it's biologically 159 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,000 appropriate is what, you know, is used a lot. 160 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,320 But it's. Yeah, yeah. 161 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,200 Sorry to cut you off, but that's yeah. 162 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Why a label that I really mean, and especially for cats, too. 163 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,640 I mean, for some reason, every time I put cat content up, it it 164 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,320 flops. But people forget our cats are 165 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,400 carnivores. Obligate. 166 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,120 That's what they need. They're also horribly unenriched 167 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,480 and like, I'm not perfect about it. 168 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 I have 4 cats. I do what I can when I can. 169 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,640 They have a cadio, they have things like that. 170 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:47,760 But our cats are, you know, massively successful predators 171 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,920 locked in a box all the time. So I try to leash train my 172 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,320 animals. I have one that's bored, they 173 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,560 have their caddy and things like that. 174 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,360 But yeah, going back to like the scavenging aspect of it, it's 175 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,920 such a frustrating topic and I've I've had to cut myself off 176 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,240 from trying to argue at the carnivore versus omnivore. 177 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,480 And dogs are really that fine middle line where, yeah, there's 178 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,840 there's absolutely proof that they need and can benefit from 179 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:18,920 non meat food inclusions. If you see a, a dog out grazing 180 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,480 on grass, eating dirt, things like that, that's them filling 181 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,960 their own gaps naturally. That's the scavenger part of 182 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,320 them. They are opportunistic 183 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,520 carnivores. They're scavenging carnivores. 184 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:35,600 And so their diet should be largely meat, fresh meat, and 185 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,920 then adding in whatever they can get, blueberries, greens, dirt, 186 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:45,960 hair, things like that. So we can just tell people, no, 187 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,880 go ahead. Well, I'm sorry, I'm just going 188 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,720 to say you're on the like topic. I think I I just posted a 189 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,960 podcast episode with Doctor Chris Besson this week and I 190 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:02,720 think she had one of the best explanations I've heard of why 191 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:08,960 so many people, especially in big pet food, argue that our 192 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,240 dogs are omnivores. And she said it's because it is 193 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,960 so easy to nutritionally abuse them because they don't show 194 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:24,040 signs for such a long time that that nutritional abuse in the 195 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,640 eyes of, oh, we did a 10 month study, looks like they can be 196 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,600 omnivores, right? So like, that's kind of the best 197 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,800 explanation. I've I've really heard anybody 198 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,520 say of why people have this idea that our dogs are omnivores, but 199 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,440 they're not. They're, like you said, like 200 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,240 scavenger. Like we do to ourselves as 201 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,400 humans, right? We as a species just lightly 202 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,800 nutritionally abuse ourselves for our whole lives and it 203 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:57,360 doesn't show up as huge disease most of the time it shows up as 204 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,680 weight gain, achy joints, headaches, this chronic low, you 205 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:08,160 know, lifetime diseases. And I like you said of the pet 206 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,680 and health industry, you know, human health industry being 207 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:12,800 mirrors. I have never been so fired up in 208 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,120 my life because we are finally talking about it. 209 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,160 And I just know that and and nobody make this political 210 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,320 health is not a partisan issue. Health is something that 211 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:29,600 everybody should be thinking about and the just what do you 212 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,960 call it? The corruption within our health 213 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,320 industry is, is blaring. And so glad that they're finally 214 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,760 talking about that because that directly mirrors into the pet 215 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,080 health industry. And you know, I'm a mom and I'm 216 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,520 a pretty low income mom, you know, as small business, We're 217 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,320 not raking it in. I still have to feed my kid and 218 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,920 get him music classes and stuff to make sure that he's enriched. 219 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,480 It's hard to feed pets on a budget really good clean food. 220 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,000 It's hard to feed kids on a budget really good clean food 221 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,920 because everything that I look at has BHABHT food coloring. 222 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,600 You know, I'm like even just buying blocks of cheese and then 223 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,680 you have to shred it because I want to avoid all the mold 224 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:13,440 inhibitors and things like that. And I'm like, it's why is it so 225 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,960 hard just to get clean food for our pets? 226 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,240 You have to wade through so much crap just to get to the good 227 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,480 stuff. So that's what I'm like. 228 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,280 I promise from I'm like, I will not put anything in any of my 229 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,800 stuff that you don't need, period. 230 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Yeah. Well, and that's what I actually 231 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:34,280 think that our job educating pet parents, in my opinion, is going 232 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,200 to get a lot more difficult before it gets easier. 233 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:46,360 Because with the, with the fact that we as a society for human 234 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,080 health are really seeing a lot of pushback and people talking 235 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,440 about it. And it looks like we might 236 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:59,440 actually get some positive changes in, in that aspect if 237 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,400 we're not making the same changes in pet food at the same 238 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,920 time. I I fear that the new right 239 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,520 regulation, the new push for healthier human food is actually 240 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,040 going to wind up making pet food even worse If we're not doing, 241 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,120 if we're if we're not following the same path, Yeah, at the same 242 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,600 time in both industries. So I think our job may be a 243 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:29,360 little harder before it gets better. 244 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,920 But I mean, I'm willing to take that on so that we, because it 245 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,240 always does like even whatever is happening with humans, we are 246 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,840 eventually going to see it in pets. 247 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,400 So I'm not mad about it. I just think like we're going to 248 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,320 have to still. Yeah, Yeah, that's a good point. 249 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,760 That's a good point. I, I think that also, I try to, 250 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:57,400 I'm so far into my little bubble of amazing pet health that 251 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,480 sometimes I get outside of that. I'm like, how do you guys not 252 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,920 see this? You know what I mean? 253 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,080 Like it's, it's hard and I have to kind of humble myself and 254 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,760 realize that sometimes we have to go way outside the bubble, 255 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,560 start from the bottom and welcome that up. 256 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,160 And I actually, it's easy in social media within my bubble to 257 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,760 start getting kind of edgy. I mean, people like kind of 258 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,400 controversial stuff. And I made a couple reels back 259 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,880 in the day that everyone's like, wow, we loved your Instagram. 260 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,960 And I was kind of getting some pushback that it was low key 261 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,320 kibble shame me. And I'm like, that's not the 262 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,120 point, but it's easy to put content out there that your 263 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,040 followers want to see. What I want to do is create 264 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,000 content that's going to encourage people. 265 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,200 And when somebody that's been feeding, you know, Purina Pro 266 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,920 plan, their whole life comes to me and they just see like, you 267 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,000 know, screw Purina, blah, blah, blah, they're they're going to 268 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,800 run for it. But if we put out educational 269 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,200 and encouraging content, telling people like, hey, if you're 270 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 adding steamed broccoli to your dog's kibble, you're doing 271 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,080 great. If you're adding water, that's 272 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,880 the first step. Let's talk about some other easy 273 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,319 ways. You don't have to spend 274 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:09,040 $1,000,000 because, yeah, like I said, it's really hard on my 275 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,000 budget to feed what I want to do. 276 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,319 I'm really lucky that I'm surrounded by fresh meat 277 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,640 constantly. So right now I do the Doctor 278 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,520 Harvey's. They get that for their nutrient 279 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,079 balance and then I'm able to give them chunks of really 280 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:23,839 awesome fresh meat, whole birds, chunks of rabbit, things like 281 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:27,599 that. But I don't even know I went so 282 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:30,640 far down that rabbit hole. But yeah, I mean, it's we are in 283 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,480 this amazing bubble of people that care and love their pets so 284 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,600 much and are constantly trying to do better even with it if 285 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,320 it's with clean treats and things like that. 286 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,000 So I don't always get that side of the customers because I am 287 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,080 the, you know, whole dead bird lady. 288 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,080 But that's why I keep like my chicken jerky. 289 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,240 If you are substituting a Milk Bone for a chicken jerky you're 290 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,080 doing, you're doing great, and I really like that the Forever Dog 291 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,560 book talks about that. Even if you're substituting your 292 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,040 processed treats for a simple whole food treat, you're doing 293 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,080 great. Yeah. 294 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,000 But it is kind of funny that you bring that up though, because I 295 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,520 definitely see the same trend. Like if I post something really 296 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,360 controversial that people are either fix up getting like 297 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,960 literally posting death threats on my page or yeah, then it's. 298 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,520 Like you're like, thanks for the engagement, like right. 299 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,840 And then the more like we're all going to be OK, just do a little 300 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,040 bit at a time like that just kind of falls flat. 301 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,360 And it's like how like finding that balance of I need to be 302 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:39,880 able to reach people, but also like I want exactly what you're 303 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,200 saying, like be able. To like the Mr. Rogers of pet 304 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,120 food content, Like, hey, you're doing great, your dog's cute, 305 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:49,760 have a good day. Right go. 306 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,880 Add some meat in there. Yeah, You're awesome. 307 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,120 Yeah. That's what I would like to be. 308 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,920 That's why I strive to be. But it's hard because, you know, 309 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,840 as a small creator, as a small brand, it's the edgy stuff that 310 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,600 brings people in. I mean, yeah, I posted one that 311 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,400 I was kind of like, I don't know, I was just talking about 312 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,760 like, you know, the big pet food companies or like kind of a 313 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,200 sassy one. And like I got like hundreds of 314 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,440 likes. And that's obviously that's 315 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,480 going to help my business grow. So you have to make sacrifices 316 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,400 like that sometimes. And that's why social media is 317 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,800 kind of toxic. I was call it my necessary evil. 318 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:28,960 Yeah. Well, OK, so for our dogs, for 319 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,840 our cats, feeding them, I mean, obviously I know the answer to 320 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,240 this, but just for the sake of this conversation, what does it 321 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,200 mean to feed a species appropriate diet? 322 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,600 In my opinion, as a non medical professional, but very heavily 323 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:52,720 educated on all sides of that, it's a moderately balanced over 324 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,840 time meat heavy diet with some fresh produce and herbs and 325 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,400 medicinal herbs and things like that. 326 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,600 And it really doesn't have to be that hard. 327 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,880 I will never, ever, ever tell somebody to go out and feed, you 328 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,720 know, chicken thighs every day or somebody the other day was 329 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,080 like, I can just feed my dog like raw hamburger, right? 330 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,400 I'm like raw hamburger and. And what? 331 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,520 Yeah. And so that's why I like things 332 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,440 like the Doctor Harvey's because it's just dried whole food mix, 333 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,320 at least the raw vibrance, the Paradigm has some vitamins and 334 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,280 minerals as well, but it's just that. 335 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,400 And then you add in whatever fresh foods you can get on on 336 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,360 whatever budget you have. If it's grass fed bison, heck 337 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,640 yeah, go for it. If it's haunted deer, heck yeah. 338 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,480 But to me, you know, a good diet for our pets looks like lots of 339 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,320 fresh meats. And adding in that, what is it, 340 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,640 20%? Remember, I think it, it's 341 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,160 certainly. 10/10. Yeah, certainly can vary 342 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,880 individually. I really like to look at like, 343 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,640 animals as individuals. And the more you listen to 344 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,360 somebody like Doctor Billinghurst, right, he will, 345 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,440 first of all, he'll gross you out with how much he talks about 346 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,680 how much dogs eat poop. It's just constant, right? 347 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,000 That's like his favorite thing to talk about, I think. 348 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,400 And then maybe second is raw meaty bone. 349 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,600 So it I think it also depends on like how much bone content your 350 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:29,640 particular animal, especially your dog really thrives on 351 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,040 because we can get into like these. 352 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,000 That's one of the things that I don't like about the 801010 is 353 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 that people take it like gospel and it's no please. 354 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,520 I use it as like a basic proportional guideline. 355 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,680 And yeah, I mean, when I the name of my companies, actually 356 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,280 Girls Gone Raw is the story of my dogs and my cat. 357 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,360 We're all kind of low key sick. Yeast infections, chronic UTI's, 358 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,960 whatever cancer. Both my dogs had cancer at the 359 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,240 time and I had just left working for Champion Pet Foods, which if 360 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:00,600 you don't know is origin in the Canada. 361 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800 So I left the world of kibble is God. 362 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:07,480 And I was mortified about the industry, first of all. 363 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,240 And we started doing DIY raw. Oh, and if I tell you I went in 364 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,480 head first, OK, we we went in head first. 365 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,360 I was buying like tongue meat, heart, kidney, liver, pancreas, 366 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,760 yadda, yadda, yadda, which was great. 367 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:24,840 But I became like obsessed with it. 368 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,920 And I had my little thing, my calculating, like how much bone 369 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,920 content is in this bone and this bone. 370 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,000 And it's so overwhelming. And, you know, I feel like 371 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:43,120 people expect me to in my position and being kind of a 372 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:46,160 voice in this industry and living in this industry, they 373 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,880 expect me to be more exact about it. 374 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:54,320 I don't think I've measured my dog's food in years. 375 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,800 I mean, it changes all the time. What's their exercise level? 376 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,440 You know, they start to look skinny. 377 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,560 We bulk up a little bit, start adding eggs. 378 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,280 You, you know, they start to look a little fat. 379 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,520 We cut back a little bit and it varies all the time. 380 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,560 I switch it up all the time. Different brands, different 381 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,240 supplements daily, things like that. 382 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,960 That's a little controversial, I feel like almost, but. 383 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 It it is I I find the same thing. 384 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,400 I actually feed my pets commercial raw just because 385 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,400 that's where I'm at. In my life, I don't love 386 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,840 Steve's. I I was. 387 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,480 I'm really just about Steve's for years. 388 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,560 And it's easy. I'm busy human being, yeah. 389 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,120 Exactly. I'm I'm I've got other things to 390 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:41,320 do and I also have really picky animals, even my dog really 391 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,200 picky. So if I can get a commercial 392 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,560 food that is ground, like the bone is ground really fine and 393 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,080 she's not picking it out because she will pick it out if it's too 394 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,840 big. And if I try to add veggies on 395 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 top, that's not happening. It's got to be mixed in. 396 00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:02,320 So like it's just so. Yeah, most of them. 397 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,520 Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. 398 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:12,480 And so I find that too. A lot of people come to me and 399 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:18,400 yeah, I, I do all day long have covalent recipes. 400 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,920 But I talked to every single person and I try and I'm like, 401 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,680 we don't have to do it this way. Yeah, this isn't the end all be 402 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,080 all. Like if this is what makes you 403 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,520 comfortable, we can do this, but we don't have to do it this way. 404 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:33,360 Balance. Over time. 405 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,480 Yeah, yeah, I, I think that's one of my favorites too. 406 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,120 And I, I want you to talk more about like exactly what it is 407 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:43,560 you do. But before we do that, there 408 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,160 were a couple of questions that I wanted. 409 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Yeah, sorry, I like I go off from rabbit holes. 410 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,680 Very. Quickly and. 411 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,200 Bring myself back and I'm like how did I love ADHD or something 412 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,720 like that, OK. Does feeding too much protein 413 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,280 have any risks? Thinking about blood tests and 414 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,880 urine. If it can show any abnormalities 415 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,600 by feeding high protein. I've got thoughts, do you? 416 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,120 Yeah, it's really hard to feed too much protein, especially raw 417 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,600 meat. You see really high protein in 418 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,840 kibble because it's sucked down all the moisture and everything 419 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,160 is taken out of it. It's basically isolated protein. 420 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,160 Especially if you're getting chickpea or plant based 421 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080 proteins. In a fresh meaty diet it's 422 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,960 almost impossible to get too much protein. 423 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,160 You'd be massively over feeding your dog. 424 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,160 You would notice that before you notice high protein in, you 425 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,600 know, values. Well, and so a couple of things 426 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:43,560 I noticed is that our lab value averages and veterinary medicine 427 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,560 are based on kibble fed dogs. So there are some values that 428 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,200 are raw fed dog might be a little, might be not always. 429 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,920 Actually. Usually not, but can be a little 430 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,960 bit out of range because those values. 431 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Are fun, right? Blood urea nitrogen. 432 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,120 Yeah, blood urea nitrogen. So, so that's always something 433 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:10,280 to, to that's, that's why one of the reasons why you shouldn't 434 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,800 hold back, like have respectful conversations with your 435 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,240 veterinarian, but don't lie to them. 436 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,880 Because if you can have those respectful conversations and let 437 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,280 them know that, yes, your dog does eat a fully balanced raw 438 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,680 food, you know, however you want to say it, raw food diet. 439 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,120 They can look at those numbers and say, Oh, OK, well, I know 440 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,400 this is just a little bit off because you feed a raw food 441 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,840 diet. Hopefully that's how they see 442 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,880 it. That's how they should see it. 443 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:43,040 But like you can know that going in and there are, if you do DIY 444 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:47,080 raw feeding, you can do things like HTMA testing to make sure 445 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,600 that you know all the minerals and everything are in balance 446 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,680 and that you don't need to make any. 447 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,880 They're they're informational to let you know where you might 448 00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,800 need to make some adjustments if you're doing DIY, but. 449 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,920 Yeah, I don't mean DIY yes definitely follow I wasn't I 450 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,520 didn't want to imply with what I was saying like just feed 451 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,000 everything all the time don't worry about it. 452 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,200 I also, you have lived this life for a long time and if you've 453 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,080 been doing it, you know generally what proportions are 454 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,920 safe and I do follow general guidelines. 455 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,640 So just to amend that. I don't want people to cancel. 456 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,200 Yeah, no, I mean, I assume somebody. 457 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,960 Like you was doing. That I get it. 458 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:31,520 But also one of the other things I think about when people ask 459 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,960 about protein specifically is like urinary kidney health. 460 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,840 And one of the last things we ever want to do for a dog or a 461 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:48,760 cat, even a dog or a cat that does have is in some form of 462 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,520 like kidney disease. We don't want to like that is 463 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,160 the first thing a traditional veterinarian is going to want to 464 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,520 do. Cut protein. 465 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960 The problem with that, yeah. The problem with that is when we 466 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,480 cut protein in a carnivore and whether it's a scavenger 467 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,960 carnivore or an obligate carnivore, they have to get 468 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480 those essential amino acids from somewhere. 469 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 So they are going to start pulling it from their own muscle 470 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,320 mass. So you're going to start seeing 471 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,320 muscle wasting and your pet may actually suffer the effects of 472 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240 muscle wasting long before they would have ever suffered the 473 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,800 effects of kidney disease just because you have decreased the 474 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,400 protein. So there are other things we can 475 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,160 do to decrease like phosphorus binders, because that's 476 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,000 ultimately what the goal is, is to decrease the phosphorus. 477 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160 So we can do that in various ways. 478 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,440 Certain foods, I can't think of any at the top of my head. 479 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,920 I would send people toward Doctor Judy Morgan's kidney 480 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,560 diet. I had a dog with kidney disease 481 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,200 and she lived with it for a long time and we pretty much didn't 482 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,800 change too much. We went full raw. 483 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,040 And my first tip to people, I'm like, talk to your doctor. 484 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,440 Maybe find a doctor that's more holistic because you know your 485 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,360 your Western doctors are going to give you those banded fix. 486 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,520 They're going to put you on a specialized prescription diet, 487 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:19,040 which I have big feelings about, but it's not, Yeah, it's just a 488 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,000 Band-Aid fix. It get those. 489 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400 Chickpea proteins, the plant proteins out of those, because 490 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,120 that was really hard on their kidneys, yeah. 491 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,960 It is well and like you were just saying you made the switch 492 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,520 completely to raw and a lot of times, especially if it's like a 493 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,880 stage one, maybe stage 2, just switching from eating a dry food 494 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,640 diet all the time to eating a high moisture diet all the time 495 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 is going to make a huge difference in any of those like 496 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600 urinary. As soon as the word kidney or 497 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,480 urinary gets into anything. Like I have a cat that has 498 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000 fluted she basically stress or just when she's having a bad day 499 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,800 she's blind. So everything kind of stresses 500 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:03,400 her out blindish and she'll start peeing blood and it's just 501 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,440 kind of like something like I tried the the prescription food 502 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,240 at first because I felt horrible for her. 503 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,680 It was like a move plus COVID plus a baby stacked on top of 504 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,320 each other that spurred it all. And now it just comes up every 505 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,920 now and the if the water bowls dry for a day, she's Yeah. 506 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:25,080 So the only thing that's helped me completely manage that and 507 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000 stop it from progressing is well, I wouldn't say the only 508 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,480 because I use a lot of the crazy cat ladies supplements 509 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,920 proactively for her. I use their urinary pH and their 510 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,440 gosh, what's the one with enzymes? 511 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,600 I think catalyst. Yeah, but is going to 100% raw 512 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,200 diet for her. Even when I was trying to budget 513 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,320 myself. And we do at the worst, a soaked 514 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,960 like Farmina with freeze dried and we make it into like, you 515 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:57,560 know, complete mushy soup basically and, and completely 516 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,480 cut all that went entirely to the Steve's quest. 517 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,960 And I love that she's very, I can like really see it coming 518 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,720 sometimes. It's usually severe things that 519 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,040 set it off. And then I just start putting in 520 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,320 CBD urinary pH and she, she's back to normal in like a day. 521 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,360 But it's yeah, moisture, moisture, moisture. 522 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,600 And cut those harder to process proteins, which you're going to 523 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960 get in almost any kibble, grain free, grain inclusive. 524 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,600 It's all kibble. OK, Lauren, any plans to on 525 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,840 getting your product in stores in Florida specifically Orlando 526 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280 I? Have a couple stores in Florida. 527 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200 I can't think of them off the top of my head, but what I 528 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,640 always tell people is if you want my stuff, a lot of times if 529 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640 you tell your local stores that there's demand for it, they can 530 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,440 reach out to me and look at my stuff and start stocking it. 531 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,040 So if you reach out to me, I can send you like my wholesale 532 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,880 information or you can have them just reach out to me and we can 533 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,520 get them set up. They can at least look around. 534 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360 And then like I said, a lot of times if independent stores know 535 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,560 that there's demand, they might just not have heard of me or 536 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,640 send me your local store and I'll reach out to them, one of 537 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,080 the two. But yeah, definitely, I do a ton 538 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,960 of wholesale and there's a million of them. 539 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,680 So a lot of times we just haven't heard of each other. 540 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,080 But yeah, for sure, Diane says. I let my cat have some cooked 541 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,840 chicken skin today. I hope that was OK. 542 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,680 I don't love cooked fats, but I mean, every once in a while I 543 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,120 don't. As long as they don't have any 544 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,320 pre-existing, yeah. My cats a lot of butter. 545 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,080 Not usually intentionally, usually they RIP it out of the 546 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,560 cabinet really. But God, they're monsters. 547 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,760 I wish I had Darwin in here. He's like, oh, he's if you see 548 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800 me cringing while I'm talking about my cats, I'm thinking 549 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,360 about him. I love him so much. 550 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,840 But he was my boyfriend's family's outdoor cat. 551 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,520 My boyfriend had found him as like, I don't know, like 1/2 552 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,720 dead kitten hit by a car sitting under a rain gutter, just like, 553 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,640 and then they took him and he's an indoor outdoor cat, which you 554 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080 know, it's a pretty, it's a pretty safe area. 555 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,480 They have a farm. And he disappeared last year for 556 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,680 like 2 weeks or something like that around Thanksgiving. 557 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,360 And I was like, it's coyote season Camden. 558 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,720 Like, I think you need to. He's like, oh, he'll come back. 559 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,400 He'll come back. And I was like, I was being 560 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,680 negative about it. And it's we live in a very 561 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,360 pretty rural area. So anyway, Long story short, 562 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,800 somebody found him like 4 cities over with a broken leg under a 563 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,160 car and then brought him over to the other side of the state 564 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280 where she lived. And whatever we got him treated 565 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,680 and he was this like perfect little Angel snuggly, like so 566 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,800 sweet. I was like, we're keeping this 567 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,920 cat like he's not going back outside. 568 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,080 He's been hit by a car like at least two times. 569 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,680 You know, he's he's running down his lives and he is the most 570 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,440 he's in the tennis. I mean, he can open cabinets. 571 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,000 He today broke two of my cups just knocked him off the counter 572 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920 because he was bored. I mean, he'll do backflips off 573 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,719 you in the middle of the night. He steals everything that even 574 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,440 once smelled like food. He broke into a thing of like 575 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520 Nesquik powder I left on the counter made by some hot 576 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,639 chocolate. I don't know, just he drags it 577 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,159 under the under the bed too. So I found like a whole horde 578 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,880 one time, like a like a dragon den of just food trash, any kind 579 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,560 of basting brush. He loves those. 580 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,560 I always eats the bristles. But yeah, he'll break into the 581 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,320 the cabinets and eat an entire stick of like Kerry gold butter. 582 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,480 And I'm like, God, that's like 6 bucks a stick. 583 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,239 I'm going to get him in here. He's so funny. 584 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,320 He's just like this looks like a Russian blue, but it's probably 585 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,679 just a mutt, you know? But he's so nice. 586 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,199 Oh, my God. Like his mom's always. 587 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,960 Like I can take him back. I'll keep him inside. 588 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,920 And look, I can't. I just love him too much. 589 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,480 He's too amazing. Yeah, too amazing. 590 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,240 But he's absolutely the bait of my existence. 591 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,880 Does muscle wasting stop? You have to put work. 592 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,600 There. Yeah, theoretically, yeah, If 593 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:11,280 you can, If you can, if you can get the animal to eat 594 00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,720 appropriately, like the right balance. 595 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,920 I would say that's definitely a case by case. 596 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,960 Based organs, yeah, I think it's going to depend on. 597 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,360 How that causes? Yeah, How bad off it is and how 598 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,720 long it's been going on. And yeah, I think that's that's 599 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,880 a, that's a tough one. You have to. 600 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,960 It's definitely something because I have senior dogs 601 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960 galore and I had one that came to me. 602 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,640 She's actually by my feet right now, sunshine. 603 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,520 She came to me very like her hips were like tiny, completely 604 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,360 muscle wasted, couldn't get herself over just a little like 605 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,960 hop up into the door when I got her and was just sick mange 606 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,280 everything like that. I think she'd been eating trash 607 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,960 pretty much is how she wasn't like emaciated because now she 608 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:06,680 eats like any trash. And, and it took a while, but 609 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,160 yeah, I went full raw with her pretty much right away and it 610 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,360 took a while, but then her muscles, yeah, came back. 611 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,960 And so it depends on what the cause is. 612 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,760 Is it something more, what's the term idiopathic? 613 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,360 Is it a neurological thing or is it a nutritional deficiency, 614 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,800 which I would almost call like protein leaching from like an 615 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,280 inappropriate diet? I'd call that more like a 616 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,920 nutritional issue. And it's like taurine, too. 617 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,240 You can supplement proactively and reverse some of the damage 618 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,720 done by, you know, enlarged tart. 619 00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,680 Yeah, yeah. Because I I also think it even 620 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,880 if it is nutritional and you try to reverse it nutritionally, you 621 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:57,560 also have that hurdle of your, the muscle isn't necessarily 622 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,560 going to rebuild unless there's a reason to. 623 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,720 So if they're already so that off that they're like energy 624 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,960 level is really low. If they're not even, they're not 625 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,720 getting any exercise if it's going to be difficult to get 626 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,880 exercise. Is the one I'm thinking of a lot 627 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:19,120 of people Myos is a supplement of myos. 628 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,560 A lot of my dog sport people use that for muscle building and I 629 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,800 believe that it was actually recommended to me for senior 630 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000 dogs because we had a little bit of muscle wasting. 631 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,520 She was like 17 and my vet recommended, you know, we could 632 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,480 do myos and for sunshine as well myos. 633 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:45,000 Yeah, I have heard of that. Muscle Formula supplement and 634 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,400 it's, I think it's a really cool supplement because a lot of 635 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:52,840 people in our industry love it. Yeah, green lip mussels. 636 00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,000 Yeah, yeah, I've heard of this. I have never used it. 637 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,640 I mean, I haven't really had a reason to use it, but I have 638 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,360 heard of it and I've heard good things. 639 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,360 Yeah, yeah. So if you have a dog with muscle 640 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,000 wasting, look into that. Talk to you. 641 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,040 If you have a holistic vet, talk to them about it. 642 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,800 And I like to tell people too, it's really hard to find good 643 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,160 holistic vets in most areas. Honestly, I lucked out. 644 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,000 I moved to Columbus and immediate was like, thank God I 645 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,360 moved closer to my holistic vet that I've been driving hours 646 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:28,760 for. And having a good integrative 647 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,600 vet on your team is game changer, especially as your pet 648 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,320 comes into senior age, because it's really easy to do what they 649 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,480 do to our seniors and just pump them full of drugs to Band-Aid 650 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,800 patch issues. And it it's really rough on 651 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,720 their bodies. You know, there needs to be a 652 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,200 point where we say we're going to do this just holistically and 653 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,520 then, you know, focus on health span rather than lifespan. 654 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,000 And yeah, I have 212 year old dogs. 655 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880 My last been passed from cancer at and she was 14, but she had 656 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,240 cancer since she was 7, did everything holistically. 657 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,040 And then our one before that, who was the other girl and girls 658 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,720 gone raw, diagnosed with cancer I think around six or seven and 659 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,360 then passed away at 17. Well, they had. 660 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,720 So we like our old girls around here loud too, which it was. 661 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:20,000 It was pretty impressive. It's hard to be mad about that. 662 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,440 Yeah, they got you got a lot of good, good life out of them with 663 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,040 beans as you made Lola Blue the Danes as the butter is popular 664 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,160 with their cats too. Yeah. 665 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200 And even Doctor Katie, when I was talking to her, was like, 666 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,480 give them butter. Do you have butter, ghee, 667 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,800 coconut oil, things like that? Yeah, that's another thing. 668 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,360 I think that's changing with the industries we're getting into. 669 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000 The people that are talking about butter being good, 670 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,520 cholesterol being OK, you know, raw milk, we're getting back 671 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,720 into that, which is super cool. Yeah. 672 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:58,080 So I think generally speaking, we have two different buckets. 673 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,800 We have people who are looking to do the best they can for 674 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:09,760 their pets from the start from, you know, there's nothing going 675 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,160 on. Everything's great. 676 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,840 They just. Learn more and want to do 677 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,440 better. And then we have the other 678 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,520 bucket where it's like people are frantic because they're 679 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,840 like, I need to know everything right now because my dog or my 680 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,680 cat. Is sick, right? 681 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,960 Yeah, and I've been in both of those buckets. 682 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,920 Yeah, yeah, same and the. Laver is hard. 683 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,080 It is. It's really. 684 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,560 Frantic. Really, really hard to kind of 685 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,640 wind yourself down and realize that you are not going to learn 686 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,000 everything all at once and to try to pinpoint where to start. 687 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:54,400 And for me, the, the some of the most frustrating things are when 688 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,520 because people have we have been conditioned for decades. 689 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,920 So we have this mindset of what can I give my dog for X, right? 690 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,320 So even though they're like, I want to do everything 691 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,720 holistically now, they still have the mindset of what's up, 692 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,440 what holistic supplement can I give you this instead? 693 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640 And it doesn't, in my opinion, it doesn't work that way. 694 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,280 We always have to start. With food. 695 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:25,720 And treats or chews are really, really good, like gateway drug, 696 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,320 but I'm going to call this a gateway drug. 697 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920 Oh, I said this the other day. And so now it's my thing, it's 698 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080 my term. I'm going to forever say this 699 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,400 now. Our pets trademark. 700 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,720 Yeah, our pets are pet food injured. 701 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,680 They are pet food injured even even a dog or a cat that is like 702 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:53,520 born today and raised from the get go holistically, they still 703 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,440 have the genetics of the past few generations to overcome. 704 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,920 So our pets, in my opinion are pet food injured and we have a 705 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:08,760 lot to overcome with that and it is always a good idea to start 706 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,280 with the food. So with that, I would love for 707 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,760 you to tell me like some of the offerings that you have. 708 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,360 And I know you wanted to talk a little bit more about like some 709 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000 of the things you were doing for cats that were different and 710 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,960 softer. And so tell me about your. 711 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,000 Products. So I always tell people to one 712 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,120 of my first things I meant to say this earlier is it is a fact 713 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,000 that modern pet food, the nutritional balance of it was 714 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,360 based off of the nutritional balance of a prey animal. 715 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,600 The fiber, the fat, the protein, the blah, blah, blah, everything 716 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,720 pretty much except for moisture, which we already know is an 717 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:46,000 issue in pet food, but it is what it is. 718 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,360 So feeding whole prey is pretty much the most perfect package 719 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,200 you can get. And like I said, you know, 720 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,240 balance over time. No pet food also is perfect. 721 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,400 I always tell people like don't pick a food and only feed that 722 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,280 ever. No food ever will cover all of 723 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,600 the gaps. Your dog could process that 724 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,000 vitamin C differently than it processes the vitamin C in a 725 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,160 different food, things like that. 726 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:16,200 So we do a lot of whole and I like to do kind of different 727 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,320 levels of it because not everyone's willing to buy a dead 728 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,080 bird for their dog, you know what I mean? 729 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,000 We have, I'd say like the whole prey quail is one of the most 730 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080 extreme. We have the whole freeze dried 731 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,720 chicks like I already showed you guys. 732 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,480 Really popular one is whole rabbit heads. 733 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,240 So this has the brain, the eyes and all sorts of really cool 734 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:44,480 secreting organs. Again, not everyone's cup of tea 735 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,240 really cool things about it though, because there's a lot in 736 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,440 the brain and the thyroid and the pineal gland and all of that 737 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,000 that are dogs don't get naturally that they completely 738 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,200 can benefit from. I mean, look at what's the, the 739 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,160 company I was seeing out like Primal Queen, they're really 740 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,640 pushing organ meats on people now. 741 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,720 And people are like, oh, hold on, that just changed my whole 742 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,280 hormonal balance. And like, yeah, yeah, there's a 743 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,680 lot of pieces that we're missing. 744 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,480 I tried. I actually tried primal Queen 745 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,960 once but I have been taking desiccated bovine like female 746 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,360 reproductive organs for a couple of years and it's made a big 747 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,120 difference. Yeah, and standard process 748 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,120 supplements are amazing like that. 749 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,960 If you read the ingredients, sometimes I'm like what it says 750 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,800 placenta, you know, it has like all of these crazy things, but 751 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,280 to me there's so many amazing vitamins and minerals and just 752 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,360 we're going to call them like, you know, code Co nutrients and 753 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,320 things that if you have this and this at the same time, it does 754 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,440 amazing things. But if you only have this or if 755 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,880 you only have that, they just kind of fall flat. 756 00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,880 So when you feed the body as it was meant to be, you gain a lot 757 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,400 from that. And that really is, I think, 758 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200 like feeding the organ meat and all of that is medicine, you 759 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,800 know, coming from me. I don't think I've eaten an 760 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,160 organ meat in my life. I need to, but I was raised a 761 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,360 picky kid. I'm I'm recovering. 762 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,600 Acceptance is the first step of something. 763 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,280 So, so like I said, I have levels, I have like the body 764 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,880 parts and this obviously to me, I love that feed lots of 765 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,920 moisture to it. And then I have like my 766 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,800 quartered rabbit frame. I love this. 767 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,920 For me, this is the easiest way. I literally took a whole meaty 768 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,520 rabbit and I have a video actually on my Instagram that I 769 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,280 did. It was very edgy for me because 770 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,040 I was like, nobody wants to see these. 771 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,720 It's what I do is honestly disgusting. 772 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,160 My, you know, my shoes are all stained with rabbit blood. 773 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,960 And I was over at what Super Zoo? 774 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,280 And you all were like, show us the process videos. 775 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,400 And I was like, all right, I'll do it. 776 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,320 So I went home and I filmed that and people loved it. 777 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,240 I didn't get one angry comment. I was really proud. 778 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,400 But we take a whole rabbit frame and then we separate it into 779 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,880 four pieces. We have the pelvis, the waist 780 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,520 with the kidneys and then two rib sections. 781 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,640 And then they have like the lungs, a chunk of liver on both 782 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:22,320 sides, and then the heart and add that even just onto some 783 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,600 kibble. I use that. 784 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,440 And then I'll feed something like a greens mix with it. 785 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,760 And there's so much nutrition in that. 786 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,640 And having all of those natural fats and things like that. 787 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,000 I will never tell you side note that anything of mine is better 788 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,680 than feeding the raw version of it. 789 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,960 And I stand by that. Raw liver is not even comparable 790 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,560 to dried liver. Raw eggs are not comparable to 791 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,320 dried eggs. But this is the best that a lot 792 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,440 of people can do and it's easier to get. 793 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,360 It's more accessible. I don't always want to have a 794 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,560 thing of raw liver in my fridge. It's stinky. 795 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,880 It's a really gross texture. I'm glad I'm. 796 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,960 Not the only one. It oxidizes really fast. 797 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,440 I think it's the iron in it. And we used to make this big, 798 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,520 big vats of raw chicken grind, and we do a lot of chicken liver 799 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,520 in it. And then, I mean, within 20 800 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,680 minutes, it's green and smells like farts. 801 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,760 And that's like the Oxide. Yeah. 802 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:28,240 It's not my favorite, but then I also have my Franken buddies. 803 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,360 We're backwards here, but this is Frank and Bunny. 804 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,080 And then I also have the Frank and duck. 805 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,080 And there's something known as the Frank and diet, which is 806 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,440 kind of a part of prey model feeding, which would be like, 807 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,800 you know, feeding the whole animal and that's feeding like 808 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,040 pieces and parts. So this has a head, 2 legs, 2 809 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,480 feet, a tail, and a whole prey rabbit sausage. 810 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,920 And I'll pull one of those sausages out. 811 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,160 I have it right here. These are the whole prey rabbit 812 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,800 sausage and these are my absolute most popular product 813 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,640 right now. I think aside from the like 814 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,640 heads and rolls, this is an entire rabbit ground into a fine 815 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,960 sausage. We have some batches kind of 816 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,440 making their way in that have the hide ground in as well, and 817 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,400 we're kind of playing with that formula, but this is essentially 818 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,240 an entire rabbit with that heart, liver, kidney, heart, 819 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200 liver, lungs, kidneys. What am I forgetting? 820 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,800 That might be it, but. It's everything but the head, 821 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,560 right? Is everything is everything but 822 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,040 the heads, feet and intestines. So we do move the the intestines 823 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,440 for just like sanitary reasons, but it keeps a lot of those 824 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120 vital organs. So that's the whole rabbit meat. 825 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,840 Like if you were to buy straight from a farmer, it would just 826 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,040 stick in the grinder. So this is a really awesome 827 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,640 product. Pets really gravitate towards 828 00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:48,960 it. You can tell because it has a 829 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,520 lot of that organ meat and it's a really rich, but then it's a 830 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,400 really good way to get some of that bone content into animals 831 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,560 that don't like to chew. Like I think you said, your dog 832 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,560 will pick out chunks of bone. A lot of dogs won't chew. 833 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,120 My cats won't chew bones except for one of them that likes the 834 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,440 quail. And you can kind of see it's a 835 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,840 really cool texture. It's really crunchy and you 836 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,400 could even kind of smash it like you're smashing like Oreo 837 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,120 cookies, whatever, and rehydrate on top of food. 838 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,640 I use this one. We're traveling to kind of 839 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,280 supplement foods and things like that. 840 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,880 So these are kind of the, yeah, the levels of whole prey. 841 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,200 And I will say I am actively working on a whole prey with 842 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,920 feathers, quail grind, and I want to add hopefully some 843 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,160 functional foods into that as well. 844 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,080 I'm talking to a mushroom supplier around us and some cool 845 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,400 things like that. But I have to get through the 846 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,920 holiday season. The holiday season always smacks 847 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,160 me. And then I get to January, I'm 848 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,080 like, yay. And that's when wholesale for 849 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:56,880 somebody picks back up and I'm like, OK, so I know Elf on my 850 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,280 Shelf. I'm expected to do with Elf on 851 00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,800 my Shelf. And I'm like, honey, Mommy needs 852 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,640 to. Yeah, I'm just kidding. 853 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,840 I love her. You're inviting Faye into your 854 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,840 home. That's not a good thing. 855 00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,320 I feel weird about him. I'm like, why is he rummaging 856 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:16,160 around? Yeah, everything, Remy says. 857 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,720 How can we get your you stocked in our stores? 858 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,880 She must have recently joined but. 859 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,560 Shoot me a message and I can send you either a link through 860 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,520 Instagram that'll go towards it, or if you just go to 861 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,400 girlsgonerawpet.com, there's a wholesale tab. 862 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,400 Fill out the form on the top and I'm sending out wholesale 863 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,600 emails. Actually today you just shop 864 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,320 online with it like normal. I just have to get you a 865 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,320 password and the information. Awesome. 866 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:48,880 Yeah, I think our cats especially I, I find that 867 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:54,080 there's one company in particular of food that I feed 868 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,880 that my dog loves it. But I actually find that my cats 869 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,960 like it even more because it does have a much higher organ 870 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,200 content than most commercial raw foods and more of like a prey. 871 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,120 Model. Well, it's even more than that. 872 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:17,120 Like it's a lot of heart, like a lot of heart and liver and 873 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,400 kidney is significantly more than 5% and. 874 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,040 Those where a lot of people think of it as an organ meat, 875 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,360 sorry to cut you off, Think of it as an organ meat, but it's a 876 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,240 muscle. But it's just one of those 877 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:31,120 amazing muscles. It is because it has like the 878 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,760 nutrition of organ but is technically right. 879 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,760 Technically a muscle, but it has way more than 5% kidney, way 880 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,640 more than 5% liver. And you know, I think that's 881 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,160 scary for a lot of people that are already feeding a raw food 882 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,920 diet. They're like, Oh no, no, no, it 883 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,000 has to be 5%. My cats especially are just 884 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,560 like, they freaking love it. They're scything on it. 885 00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:02,560 And I mean, granted, for me it's anecdotal, but there are lots of 886 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,720 people. Isn't this is fairly popular in 887 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,080 our world and. You'll have to tell me what it 888 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,000 is. I'd love to try it because my 889 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,440 cats are like picky but not picky. 890 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,000 It's more texture. And I like, I got to the point 891 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,040 where like when I was living with my parents, we had like 8 892 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,520 cats between US and all of them like the Steve's Quest, which is 893 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,160 their prey model formula. And I was like, we're sticking 894 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,600 with it. That's it. 895 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960 Yeah. I mean, they like my cats like 896 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,880 Steve's, they like Small Batch, but the green juju they are 897 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,680 just. Oh yeah, that's just going to 898 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,800 say green juju. I was wondering if that's what 899 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,280 it was. Yeah, so. 900 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,360 It's something that I just I really play with a lot. 901 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,440 Even even when I balance for like an individual recipes for 902 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,920 like individual dogs, I will if they're healthy, I. 903 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,560 Will. Test out more than 5% liver 904 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,480 because I'm like, here you go, let's see how we do. 905 00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,680 It and it's something you can play with. 906 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,680 Yeah. And it's like it doesn't have to 907 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,760 be Yeah, it can be something you kind of figure out. 908 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,800 Like I said you have every single animal is different. 909 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,400 You can't feed 1 the same and expect it to be the same. 910 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,840 Like Scarlett if you probably counted the calories are 911 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,440 Rottweiler. If you counted the calories of 912 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:31,720 what I got her, it would be so far from what the AFCO I guess 913 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,560 requirements and stuff are, but she's thriving. 914 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:39,600 She lost like 40 lbs when I came into her life as like a 11. 915 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,920 I think she just turned 12 year old Rottweiler and she's like a 916 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,480 puppy sprinting around her arthritis episodes completely 917 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,280 dropped off. And like, yeah, Sunshine was 918 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,320 super sick when I got her. And their, yeah, their diets 919 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,360 are, if I fed them What it was recommended to give their age 920 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,720 and weight and everything, they would be balloons. 921 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:06,480 Yeah, it was my lab. My lab was a 45 LB, like, lean 922 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,280 machine. She got like 1/2 of a Steve's 923 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,000 Patty as a meal and was, yeah, an absolute meal, meal machine. 924 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,760 Yeah. And everyone's like, wow, she's 925 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:23,880 so skinny. Adam Rottweiler supposed to look 926 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,880 like a cinder. Blah. 927 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,840 Yeah, yeah, there's, there are a lot of we, we've kind of made a 928 00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,600 lot of things normal for our pets that really shouldn't be 929 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,840 and then stigmatized things that should be normal like the trees 930 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,680 that you made. I, I branded myself a 931 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:53,160 professional dog body shamer and it's, it's not, I'm not sure I'd 932 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,680 say it's my best trait, but honestly, like people need to 933 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,840 hear it because it just it, I'm just like, you are completely in 934 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,800 control of that. I've gotten nicer about it. 935 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,560 I figured out better ways to. Work. 936 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:13,520 Yeah, it really is. One of the best things we can do 937 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:20,720 for the health and lifespans of our pets is to bring them back 938 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,720 to a normal weight. And so many of us don't know 939 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:33,520 what that even looks like, because we as humans barely know 940 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,040 what it looks like for us anymore. 941 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Somebody said they'd like to see 942 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,080 my pets. I'm trying to get Sunshine out, 943 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,320 but she is. I got old ladies. 944 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,240 They're snoring behind me, Scarlet. 945 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,760 I can't. My cats are. 946 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,720 I'll show you my doggy. You say hi. 947 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:59,960 There's Kimberly. The sweater queen herself. 948 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,240 Hi, Kimberly. I love those ears. 949 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,000 This is Sunshine. We're dealing with some 950 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,680 allergies right now, and she's struggling a little bit. 951 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,160 Oh. No environmental deep. 952 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:18,040 Is I think it was brought on by flea. 953 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,200 We definitely found a couple. I think they're just like living 954 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,840 in our yard for some reason. So we've gone nuts on that. 955 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,760 And I've always done all of the same holistic flea stuff my 956 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,560 whole life and it's just not cutting it here since I moved to 957 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,200 this house and it just sent her down a spiral. 958 00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,720 So now she stinks, but we're doing a lot of different stuff 959 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,680 to try. And it's definitely like, I 960 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:52,400 understand now after her why people get pushed to Apoquel 961 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:55,080 Because I'm like, there was one point where she was like covered 962 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,960 in hives after God knows what. And as soon as I think it gets 963 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:02,560 better than it gets worse. And then chewing holes in 964 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,800 herself and I'm like, I'm doing everything right. 965 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,560 I'm doing everything I do. You know what I mean? 966 00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,280 It's frustrating. But when I got her, she had like 967 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,080 no hair. She was greasy, sting, teeth 968 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,520 rotting out of her mouth like little. 969 00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,000 And I was like, oh, I need that one. 970 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,720 Yeah, I foster failed her. She was my 25th foster dog, 971 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:21,400 26th. Maybe she's trying to steal the 972 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,680 treats on her. And yeah, I foster failed her. 973 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:27,920 She's the absolute light of my life. 974 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,440 She's adorable. She goes everywhere with me and 975 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400 then Scarlett snore down here. Scarlett. 976 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,120 Yeah. And I have 4 cats. 977 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,240 Would not. I don't know, I'd recommend 978 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,200 having 4 cats. Scarlett, Good morning. 979 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,120 Sorry I got a little off top in here. 980 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:52,520 That's OK. Yeah, so I think, you know, 981 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,560 whole prey is amazed. I I very much appreciate that 982 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,960 you said that, you know, raw would be even better because we 983 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,720 got the moisture right where which is in itself like a Co 984 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:16,440 nutrient to to the food and but doing the dehydrated is also 985 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,880 like incredible, an incredible addition. 986 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,520 It can also be anything easier for travel, which you may 987 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:33,480 mention and training for sure if if you want to use it that way 988 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,360 and just adding enrichment to your dog's bowl Meal 989 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,560 replacements. I think you also mentioned that 990 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,280 too. So you know, we often talk about 991 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,200 doing like raw meaty bones for meal replacements, but doing 992 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,080 whole prey is is also a great way to do meal replacements. 993 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,840 Because that feels more gaps too. 994 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:01,280 And yeah, for sourcing reasons, it's the the availability of 995 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,680 having air dried or freeze dried meaty bones and, and whole 996 00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:08,000 treats like that is amazing because like I'm lucky to live 997 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,240 in an area that has a lot of cool farmers. 998 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,200 I could go out and buy a beef liver and a rabbit tomorrow if I 999 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,680 wanted to. But I've tried, I've tried the 1000 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,400 actual whole prey feeding before and, and ironically, I didn't 1001 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,400 have the stomach for it. My dog also was like, what do I 1002 00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,880 do with it? Yeah, I love the idea of that. 1003 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,040 But we need to be realistic. And yeah, and like you said 1004 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,560 right in the beginning, it's like a gateway drug. 1005 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,040 I always tell people that I'm like, they're like, why do you 1006 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,160 do like chicken jerky? Like you have so many more 1007 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,320 exciting things. I'm like, it is. 1008 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,880 It's a mind opener. They come in, they see chicken 1009 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,880 jerky. Oh, my dog loves chicken jerky. 1010 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,760 Oh, like were you feeding before we talked about the recall the, 1011 00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:59,800 you know, possibly China sourced chicken that had the I can't 1012 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,960 mella melamine. Yeah. 1013 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,800 So let me talk about that. And then, you know, we're able 1014 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,200 to then it gets into food and oh, they have chronic yeast 1015 01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,880 like, oh, I have some kefir back here. 1016 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,080 Have you ever thought about addressing the gut and then 1017 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,240 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, maybe next 1018 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,920 time they try a chicken foot and then next time after that they 1019 01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:24,920 try a duck head. And then after that they're 1020 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,080 like, my dog loved it. We're going to go for a rabbit 1021 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,680 roll. You know what I mean? 1022 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,400 And it is kind of like I, I tend to grade my farmers market 1023 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,080 booths from like PG, PG-13 and Radar. 1024 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,680 So I have like my jerkies and the bone broth and egg powder. 1025 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,600 And in the middle is like rabbit sticks and the quartered rabbit 1026 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:46,800 Franken bunnies. And then the end is like the 1027 01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,440 hairy cow ears that are like the size of my head. 1028 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,880 And I was just talking to Kiwis distinguished goods yesterday. 1029 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,600 She's like, Oh my God, your beef years are huge. 1030 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,800 I'm like, they're huge. Like have you have you seen 1031 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,960 Carol right now? I'm like I said, look up that 1032 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,480 was thick Ohio grown cows. Apparently the difference is 1033 01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,200 ours. I'm completely I sold out of 1034 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,760 them right now, but the difference on ours, we have this 1035 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:14,880 base that's like this thick around and it's definitely just 1036 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,080 happened. I think it I just did it. 1037 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:23,280 Oh, there like there we go. Oh, technology. 1038 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,320 But yeah, like I like to grade it. 1039 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,480 And then people come in they're like and like go that way, that 1040 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,560 way. Yeah, blinders like, you know, 1041 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,520 cuz it does scare some people. But every now and then I'll 1042 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,720 bring the whole quail or the chicks to a market. 1043 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,720 And it's fun seeing people. They're like, that's disgusting. 1044 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,960 I'll take five of them. I'm like my guy, right. 1045 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,520 And it's funny. I love having those 1046 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,880 conversations. That really is what drives me 1047 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,560 because in the economy, it's hard for moms to have a career 1048 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,160 that also fulfills them. And that's not a blanket 1049 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,680 statement. That's just kind of a general 1050 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,080 statement. A lot of times they're pushed 1051 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:10,560 into whatever role works with school schedules and then kids 1052 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,960 get sick sometimes or bite a kid at school and need to be picked 1053 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,640 up or, you know, every now and then I want I want the 1054 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,040 flexibility to take my son to the zoo for an entire day in the 1055 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,280 middle of the week. And I don't have to ask for 1056 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:27,440 permission to do that. So I'm super lucky that I have 1057 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,520 that family flexibility and I get to talk to people every day 1058 01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,040 and do something that fulfills me and then go to super zoo and 1059 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,440 meet Karen Becker and Rodney Habib and I'm like sweating. 1060 01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,680 And you know, I admired you and watched your stuff for so many 1061 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,120 years. So I'm like, I'm in such a cool 1062 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,240 spot right now that I feel like I'm actually making a bit of a 1063 01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,920 difference in the world. For sure. 1064 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:52,160 A lot of us get to do that. Well, and that reminded me 1065 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,280 because I, I intended to say it earlier on and I, I didn't, but 1066 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,960 I think we, I got down the like conspiracy rabbit hole in my 1067 01:02:59,960 --> 01:03:07,080 head, But you know, the idea of even feeding commercial foods to 1068 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:11,000 our pets. I think talking about moms, 1069 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:16,520 that's, but the marketing that they did to women, especially 1070 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:24,080 around the like 50s and on was very much, and, and this is 1071 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,400 documented. This isn't a conspiracy, but 1072 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:31,560 very much they wanted women in the workplace so that they're 1073 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,840 getting 2 taxable incomes in every household. 1074 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,920 And so they create things to market to women to say, look, 1075 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,120 you can, you can go out here and earn money so we can collect 1076 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,680 taxes from you. And then in the meantime, you 1077 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,600 don't have to put the time and energy and effort and love into 1078 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,960 feeding your kids and your pets and all the things, right? 1079 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,800 Like that's part of it. And I think that's also part of 1080 01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:00,800 like the awakening that a lot of people are having is that, you 1081 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,400 know, there is no such thing as work life balance. 1082 01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:10,320 You do have to choose your hard, but for women especially, like 1083 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:16,080 more embracing the like feminine roles again and realizing that 1084 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,400 you can do something in your life that fulfills you and that 1085 01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,480 you're passionate about and still take care of your kids and 1086 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,680 take care of your pets and do those things that like fill you 1087 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,560 up as a female. And it's, and it's annoying to 1088 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,480 me that that's a controversial thought. 1089 01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,360 Like if you say that on some platforms you'll get beat up and 1090 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,240 I'm like. Yeah. 1091 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,240 It's very curious, corporate girly and have a Danny. 1092 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,560 Go for it. If that's what absolutely fills 1093 01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,960 your cup, go for it. You know what I mean? 1094 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,960 But I'm like, I my kid is so cool. 1095 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,400 I also could not spend all day with him. 1096 01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,360 And and I'm a person that has to work. 1097 01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,200 I have to if I wasn't working, like if I was in a position 1098 01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:01,280 where maybe I didn't need an income, I would still volunteer 1099 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,280 full time. I'd be like, heck yeah, I know I 1100 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,120 can do the stuff that I don't have to worry about getting paid 1101 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,600 for. I used to work at the zoos and 1102 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,000 the Raptor centers and stuff like that. 1103 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,600 And they're like, we can't afford to pay you. 1104 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,960 And I'm like, I can't afford to keep volunteering, you know? 1105 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:15,960 But it's the most fulfilling work. 1106 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,560 So I am so deep on the crunchy mom side of the world. 1107 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,400 It's that's why I'm like, I'm lit on fire about everything 1108 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,480 that's happening right now with like the Food Babe, the 1109 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,360 Kellogg's push and everything. Like I'm out there like picking 1110 01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,240 up because it's so cool. I'm like, finally somebody's 1111 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,560 listening to us. Like I, I just want to be able 1112 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:43,000 to have better choices for my kids pediatrician and I could 1113 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,520 have an entire social media page just on my crunchy mom stuff. 1114 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,080 But it's, you know, I can barely manage this one. 1115 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:53,920 But it's it's a wild world out there for parents trying to do 1116 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,160 things cleaner. I know I would really love for 1117 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:04,000 it to just completely like places where we can just label a 1118 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:09,720 lemon a lemon and then the non organic lemons like they need to 1119 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,600 be labeled as. I don't know. 1120 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,360 But like, we need to come up with a label for glyphosate 1121 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:17,520 lemons or something. I don't know. 1122 01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,960 We're like, now it's a peel. I'm like, I don't always have 1123 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,000 time. Sometimes my kid grabs an apple 1124 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,720 off the shelf and just starts eating it. 1125 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,520 And I'm like the appeal, like, you know, it's now it has heavy 1126 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,560 metals and a wax coating and things like that. 1127 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,080 And, and it's, it's, it's like all consuming. 1128 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:37,000 I'm in a really, like I said, a really lucky place with my pets 1129 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,960 where I'm surrounded by really amazing company. 1130 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,400 So my choices are easy and I feel really comfortable. 1131 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,560 But every time that I go out to grocery shop, yeah, I just want 1132 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,600 to flip it over. Have you ever tried to find 1133 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,560 pepperoni that doesn't have BHA or BHT? 1134 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,640 You can't. Like I found one, one time at 1135 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,960 like Meijer or something. And my son loves pepperoni, but 1136 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,440 I'm like, yeah, you know, my, my brother-in-law passed away from 1137 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,880 a childhood cancer. He, you know, was in his 30s, 1138 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,800 but it was like a childhood lymphoma or sarcoma. 1139 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,560 And so I talked to them and she's like, was it what we fed 1140 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,400 him? I'm like, there's don't you 1141 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,760 can't beat yourself up because that first of all is not your 1142 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,160 fault and crappie kibble is not pet owners fault. 1143 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,360 That's the industry's fault. But we're hopefully going to be 1144 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,440 working on on some of that false marketing and and corruption 1145 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,000 like I said, but. Yeah. 1146 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,840 In fact, that was like kind of the second-half of what I wanted 1147 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,800 to talk to you about. But maybe we can schedule 1148 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:40,200 another because we brought this up at Super Zoo that like Quick 1149 01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,640 Live that we did where like we were like trying to remember 1150 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,160 like what is called the like green washing and and pet food. 1151 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,320 And I looked it up and according to ChatGPT, it's called either 1152 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,960 health label. I'm sorry, health washing or 1153 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,200 clean labeling. So that would be cool to talk 1154 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,840 about. And then again, kind of that 1155 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:06,360 rabbit hole of understanding all, all of those really vague 1156 01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,320 terms. And I, I recently published an 1157 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,400 episode with Isabel where we talked about the per act because 1158 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,279 if that goes through and it looks like it before the this 1159 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,040 election, it looks like it was going to go through. 1160 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:27,600 I don't know now, but it really is going to be so detrimental 1161 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:33,560 for pet food consumer. I've heard it and as soon as you 1162 01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,439 start saying I'll I'll it'll drop my memory. 1163 01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:41,920 Yeah, the PER Act is they're basically so the FDA is ending 1164 01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:49,160 their understanding with AFCO moving everything over to the 1165 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:54,800 Center for Veterinary Medicine. And if you read through the PER 1166 01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:00,160 Act, it is so vague, there's a lot of holes in it. 1167 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,800 It's going to open up. So pet foods that you and I 1168 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:07,120 feed, I don't think will change because they're small, 1169 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,200 transparent companies. They're also voluntarily putting 1170 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,520 things on their labels that they don't have to, Right. 1171 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,359 I actually was, I was reprimanded for putting 1172 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,960 carbohydrates on my label even though it's 0%. 1173 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,279 They're like, you can't have it on there. 1174 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,000 And like, what I want to. Yeah. 1175 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,160 Like you want to change it. Yeah. 1176 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,279 So. But for big pet food for the 1177 01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:33,439 majority that's I think we're probably still well around 90% 1178 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:38,880 of at least people in the US who are feeding big pet what I call 1179 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,720 big pet food, you know, the big kibble companies and but. 1180 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,439 It's it is akin to big pharma. It's very big. 1181 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,359 Food now is one that I don't think people are talking about 1182 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:55,760 enough big food. It is it's going to give them so 1183 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,760 much more leeway. It, it, the, the one thing it 1184 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:04,880 does state that is very concerning is that basically, if 1185 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,320 an ingredient does or does not make it into that batch of food, 1186 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,600 oh wow, you don't have to change the label. 1187 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,720 Like people don't need to know like it's, it's OK. 1188 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:19,040 It may or may not be in there. That like, yeah, gosh, that's 1189 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,480 something. Then like every time something 1190 01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:21,960 comes up on, I just internalize it. 1191 01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,920 I definitely, I could do an entire like 2 hours on that 1192 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,000 because I've worked in the pet food industry and I've gone down 1193 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,480 so many of the rabbit holes and it's absolutely like I almost 1194 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,720 want to call it abuse. Because it's, it's certainly 1195 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,160 abuse of power. It's, it's abuse of the trust 1196 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:46,480 that people have, abuse of marketing claims like they, it 1197 01:10:46,480 --> 01:10:48,760 should not be allowed. And that's why I say like, I'm 1198 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:56,920 actually a little concerned that if we don't have a reform in the 1199 01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,720 pet food industry at the same time we're having reform in the 1200 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,960 human food industry that. Pet food is going to get way 1201 01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,320 worse. RFK Who's our pet food? 1202 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,080 RFK do we find? Susan. 1203 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,280 Susan Bixton. Yeah, just let her loose. 1204 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,560 Right. Right, Yeah, because it's every 1205 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,640 time I see Oh my God, I got a Snapchat filter. 1206 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:21,800 I think he was, it was either Royal Canyon or like whatever 1207 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,760 one of those like a pet food Snapchat filter. 1208 01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,880 I'm like, get off of my phone and it was, it was like a puppy 1209 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,600 playing around and I'm like that's it's so deceptive. 1210 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,320 It's very deceptive. It's so deceptive. 1211 01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,280 I would like PET food to be labeled like pharmaceutical 1212 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:41,360 bottles, like a yeah, I want matter of fact. 1213 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,640 Brings up a whole other topic because I've not found people 1214 01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,560 the. Commercials, the labels or 1215 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,200 whatever in the back I want, yeah. 1216 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,080 Well, yeah, that, and I've talked about this on my podcast 1217 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,800 before too. Like unless you're getting your 1218 01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,760 prescription from like your Costco pharmacy or a compounding 1219 01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:03,160 pharmacy, when was the last time your veterinarian gave you the 1220 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,880 package insert for the prescription that they're 1221 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,280 they're just giving your pet? Like you have to ask and they're 1222 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:16,360 like, no, it's, it's fine. And I'm like, I, I know it's 1223 01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,760 probably fine. Just would like to know. 1224 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:27,200 I also I'm a little, I'm a little opinionated about 1225 01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:32,800 vaccines as well, because no animal that is not completely 1226 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,000 healthy shaped receive a vaccine period. 1227 01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,360 I recently, I think that was yesterday, I saw that they're 1228 01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,360 adding lepto to required vaccines. 1229 01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,720 I've heard that too. That's insanity. 1230 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,400 I'm insanely. Lucky because my dogs are old 1231 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:52,240 and I won't be giving them any more any more vaccines. 1232 01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,800 If they tighter, they'd be completely, you know, covered. 1233 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,640 But it's like I have to have an exception letter to get my dog 1234 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:05,560 groomed and I get it and you know, rabies is terrible and it 1235 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,520 is making, you know, it's kind of rearing its head again. 1236 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:11,760 I've seen videos recently. So I, I do believe in 1237 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,880 vaccination. I'm a, you know, I'm a student 1238 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,600 of science. I do believe in evidence based 1239 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:20,360 medicine. But that's exactly why you also 1240 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,120 believe in titer testing, right? So. 1241 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,920 The whole, the whole booster shot, yeah, I could go on 1242 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,240 forever about this, but the whole booster shots yearly thing 1243 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,360 doesn't. If you know anything about 1244 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,840 vaccines, it doesn't really make sense because yeah. 1245 01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:42,360 Yeah. I could go on about it, but it's 1246 01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:45,320 it's, yeah, I just think that there's so much out there just 1247 01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:49,000 praying on well meaning pet owners and it disgusts me. 1248 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,400 And that's why I'm like, regardless of I could shut this 1249 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,840 company down and I honestly might even go harder on the 1250 01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:00,360 Instagram because the voices out there like yours, like Karen 1251 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,800 Becker, like the fact that we now have a moderately mainstream 1252 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:09,520 source and it's not being called, you know, snake oil and 1253 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,280 it's not being called woo woo. It's factual. 1254 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,080 It's amazing. So I'm like, finally there's 1255 01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,560 some uptick. But yeah, I mean, I agree, we 1256 01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:23,600 need like a Susan Thixton or somebody out there just knocking 1257 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,680 some people down. And yeah, luckily we have like 1258 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,440 Judy Morgan's doing a great job and people, a lot of our 1259 01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,320 industry is now starting to go to AFCO. 1260 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:40,800 It just is kind of too much of a big beast to take on from a 1261 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,880 grassroots scale. So there has to be something, 1262 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:48,120 has to be something else. Yeah, yeah, kind of keep 1263 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:49,960 plugging away. And then I was going to talk 1264 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,160 about for a second, sorry, borders and bites, you said, how 1265 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,040 do you feel about open farm raw mixed kibble? 1266 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,440 I wanted to talk raw. Mixed kibble is one of those 1267 01:14:58,440 --> 01:15:08,680 things that kind of, you know, irks my pet food marketing brain 1268 01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:17,240 because it's usually a lot more money than just adding some raw 1269 01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,480 food to your kibble. It is great marketing because 1270 01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:24,600 now they're getting the people that hear that raw food is 1271 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,480 great. Open from generally is a good 1272 01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,160 food. It's one of those that I that I 1273 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,840 would feed, but the raw mixed kibbles to me like just go get 1274 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,920 some great raw and add it, add it in to me. 1275 01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,400 To me, it's just kind of a marketing plug. 1276 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,960 I agree with that, I think I even did an episode about it. 1277 01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,520 What? Garlic's posed up by the door. 1278 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,600 She heard your dog. She's like, come here, Scarlett, 1279 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,200 what do? You think of homemade cooked 1280 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,760 meat diet for cats with an added completer? 1281 01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,320 I think it's better than kibble. This Scarlett. 1282 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:00,880 Oh, my goodness. She's our. 1283 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,440 I call her like my junkyard dog. She's just big enough to scare 1284 01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:07,200 the people that need to be scared. 1285 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,600 But she's she's she'll take your knees. 1286 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,920 Yeah, she's the girl. She's like the perfect man's dog 1287 01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,240 probably to be. But she's also an Angel. 1288 01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,080 She drools constantly. Sweet, sweet baby. 1289 01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:24,240 Yeah, and 12 for a Rottweiler is crazy, given the fact that when 1290 01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,360 I met him, he was feeding just whatever off brand food from 1291 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,080 like a feed supply. I did it was like 65% carb and 1292 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,840 I'm like she's like, what do you think of this? 1293 01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:36,080 I think it was our first date. He's like, this is the food that 1294 01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,120 I get. Could you tell me what you 1295 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:38,240 think? I'm like how? 1296 01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,720 How deep do you want? To do you want to grow? 1297 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,880 I usually ask people how long you got. 1298 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,520 Yeah. Are you sure you want to get 1299 01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,480 into that? I got a couple hours for you, 1300 01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,680 right? All right, Well, yeah, let's do 1301 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,000 this again. Let's talk about what did we. 1302 01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,320 What did I say? Clean labeling. 1303 01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,960 Maybe at some point in theories and rabbit OH. 1304 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,520 My God, I could go on to. Do it I could. 1305 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,360 I could go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and. 1306 01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,800 I'm so, so deep on that side of things right now and there's 1307 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,640 once you're in, you can't get, you can't. 1308 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,680 I think it's like Candace so and there's something said like, if 1309 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,000 you're not a conspiracy theorist by now, who? 1310 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,240 What are you doing? I know how. 1311 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,680 It's not even conspiracy theories because it's so once 1312 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,240 you start to look at it, you're like, Oh my God, like what 1313 01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:30,920 happened with the hemp industry, The whole history of how pot 1314 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:32,400 became illegal. Yeah, it has. 1315 01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,040 Nothing to do with it being a drug. 1316 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:35,280 No. It has to do with. 1317 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,480 The. Yeah, yeah. 1318 01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,120 Yeah, it's it's insane when you really start to go down the 1319 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,160 rabbit holes. And I'm telling you every time I 1320 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:46,600 watch a Joe Rogan episode so that I find a new one to go 1321 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:47,360 down. So. 1322 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,360 I've been, yeah, I watched like 3 Joe Rogan episodes a day. 1323 01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:55,280 But yeah, we'll have to do that another time. 1324 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,480 I'm like, I have to pick up my kid here so I can go for another 1325 01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:58,880 six hours. God knows. 1326 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,440 Yeah, that's why I think I'm almost bad. 1327 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:04,560 All of my fangs and fur podcast episodes that I've done are like 1328 01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,480 2 hours long and he's like, all right, yeah, coming into this, 1329 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,920 let's try to stick around 45 minutes and it's like an hour 1330 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,760 and a half long. I'm like, I'm so sorry. 1331 01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,280 It usually has to be like the explicit thing after it because 1332 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,640 I dropped a swear words, but it's yeah. 1333 01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,080 Oh my goodness. All right, well, it was so nice 1334 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,080 to talk to you. And I hope people do check out 1335 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:30,400 Girls Gone Raw Pet Health. And if you want to talk to your 1336 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,800 indie pet store about carrying it, please do because they can. 1337 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:40,040 They can order wholesale directly from her website and no 1338 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,920 excuses. So talk to your indie pet store 1339 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,520 about carrying it. All right, I think, you know, 1340 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,040 I'm not going to fight that Diane. 1341 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,280 I will have my cats on here next time but they are chaos and they 1342 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,040 have to be touching me all the time and it's extremely 1343 01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:57,160 distracting. Most of them like to sleep like 1344 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,360 right here. They're like, so yeah, take take 1345 01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,040 your breath away is that. I'm a crazy cat lady for sure. 1346 01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,400 Say my love. Well, it was, yeah, it was 1347 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,800 awesome talking here. Sorry to do that forever. 1348 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,680 I know you too. Have a good rest of your day and 1349 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,840 we will plan another one soon. Sounds good. 1350 01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:16,960 Thanks for hopping on guys. It was good answering all your 1351 01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,080 questions as well. Absolutely. 1352 01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:20,720 All right. Have a good rest of your week. 1353 01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:21,880 See you.