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Welcome back, pet parents. 
So today we're actually doing 

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what we like to call a podcast 
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And I guess, I guess there are 
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ways that that could be done. 
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was to record 1 episode and 
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episode. 
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be a super fun thing for both of
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like we just had so many things 
like to talk about that were 

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similar that it would have felt 
almost like doing duplicate 

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episodes if we had decided to 
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each other. 
So you might actually hear me 

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talk a little bit more in this 
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but that is because she was 
asking me a lot of questions. 

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And I am actually really, really
excited for how this turned out 

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because a lot of these things 
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don't always feel like they're 
appropriate to say during a lot 

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of the interview because I'm not
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these things anyway. 
I think this is going to be 

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super fun. 
Kim thinks it's going to be fun 

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too. 
So who am I doing the podcast 

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walk with? 
Well, her name is Emily Breslin 

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and the other podcast that is 
going to be airing this. 

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So who am I actually doing this 
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Well, her name is Emily Breslin 
and the podcast is called The 

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Dog Who Asked for More, which I 
absolutely love. 

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We could do a deep dive on what 
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but I guess she is doing that 
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So Emily is a canine 
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She has a CPCN, same as I do. 
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host of The Dog Who Asked For 
More, a podcast for dog parents 

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navigating the messy, 
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dogs that no one really prepares
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And by golly, is there a lot of 
that going around. 

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Anyway, I did do some deeper 
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Emily, and I had to appall. 
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apologize for her because I had 
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the deep dives I was doing and 
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with her. 
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head has been at today and you 
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out of my mouth. 
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that I told you, I told you guys
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back anymore. 
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level on some of the answers 
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And I hope that you appreciate 
them as much as I want to talk 

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about them. 
And in fact, I would really love

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for you to reach out to me and 
let me know if you want me to 

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dive deeper in any of these 
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I really. 
I feel like we need to be 

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talking about them. 
I think there are some people 

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kind of talking about them, but 
they're not talking about them 

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as they relate to our pets. 
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And I know, I know that that 
sounds may be hard for some 

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people to connect and some 
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But there is a connection in a 
lot of high level things going 

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on in our world today that 
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effect into the pet food 
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And I kind of give a little bit 
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be. 
So if this is the first time you

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are hearing some of the things 
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reach out to me and let me know 
if you would like to hear more 

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about it. 
Or maybe you don't. 

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Maybe you don't want to hear 
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Maybe you're like, just can you 
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chill for me? 
I don't know. 

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Let me know if that's what you 
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don't know that we really make 
change in the world being chill,

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but you know, they're they're to
each their own. 

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So this is our podcast swap with
the pet parenting reset and the 

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dog who asked for more. 
Welcome to the Pet Parenting 

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Reset podcast. 
If you're new here, my name is 

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Jess and this is a space where 
we talk about all things health,

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span, and quality of life for 
your pets and you too. 

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in. 

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When I got into nutrition, it 
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I had a dog with pancreatitis 
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would not eat kibble. 
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because he was allergic to 
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And so literally he was allergic
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there is no way to storage food 
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So it was really, really 
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But I feel like this is what 
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I feel like they don't start 
looking at nutrition or diet 

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options until they've either 
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really, really frustrated, or 
they have a dog that gets sick 

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and they don't know what else to
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Is this, Is this the same 
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It is the same experience. 
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thinking of when you were 
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funny because we're like 
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of like, well, this is dog food 
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And what's so interesting to me,
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up at a conference I was 
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we when something is wrong and 
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the veterinarian says feed real 
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Granted, it's not necessarily 
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Like they still are saying like 
chicken and rice, which is not 

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what we actually want to be 
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But why is it that the answer is
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wrong but we're never thinking 
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from going right? 
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that is boggles my mind. 
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No, I agree with you. 
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Well, and it's wild too, because
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thing with us when we're sick, 
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We want to eat healthy, 
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but are gentle on our stomachs. 
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for our dogs? 
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come to me and they're like, oh,
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you do that? 
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lived out in the wild like they 
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eat? 
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Well, that's because we have 
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our dogs something that's stored
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I think the thing that really 
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kibble was not only learning 
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storage mites and that was like 
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learning that like bags of dog 
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warehouses for like 12 to 18 
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in the pet store. 
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that. 
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I mean, really everything that 
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feel like we're in the twilight 
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It's and, and I, I say this like
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truly like I, I just put out a 
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recording this on my Instagram. 
That actually got better 

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traction than I thought it would
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just going to keep saying this 
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say this until it finally 
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failed experiment. 
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society come to this conclusion,
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to say, right? 
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and our shelters and millions 
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just in the United States alone.
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eating. 
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rather have a fed dog than a 
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collectively come to the 
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experiment. 
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of things, this is the 
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experiment and it is failing 
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But if you don't mind, I 
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rant, a little tangent here with
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And feel free to like jump in 
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want, but I am. 
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decade or more and I've gotten 
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finally have succumbed to the 
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gently cooked foods right now in
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Great. 
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She is aging. 
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will eat it for short periods of
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Regards. 
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I, I feel like raw feeders, all 
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the real food bandwagon and and 
maybe not be so divisive amongst

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ourselves. 
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there's a topic, there's that we
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about that. 
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know, a raw food diet is 
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It's what they would be eating 
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are eating in the wild, all the 
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them thrive? 
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be said for that as well, but 
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of people have brought up this 
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Because I think people tend to 
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not good enough, you know, and 
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it in some way or feed cooked 
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feed cooked. 
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And I think this kind of fits in
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little bit more. 
We are asking our dogs to live 

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in an environment that is 
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In our homes inside 4 walls. 
We are asking them to behave in 

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manners that are completely 
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giving them instruction on what 
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Just a whole lot of no, right. 
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access to the outdoors, 
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biologically. 
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perspective is I do believe 
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But I think also something you 
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enrichment and being very 
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huge supplement fan. 
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supplements first. 
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to supplement, but I think that 
that is not a fault of their 

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biology. 
I think it's a fault of the 

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human impact on the environment.
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the nutrients that it used to 
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I mean, there are bacteria that 
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don't find anywhere else and we 
need it or we and our dogs and 

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our cats need it to be able to, 
to even digest meat. 

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And so if, if we don't have 
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how are we getting those 
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So there's there's a lot of I 
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complex issue and I think I just
went down a rabbit hole that you

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are probably not prepared for. 
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such a layered problem to your 
point where, you know, 100 years

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ago they weren't spraying 
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rotation of how they farmed 
every year was slightly 

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different and cows and chicken 
and all that kind of they 

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weren't getting hormones. 
And there's just so much more to

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it then then I think people even
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people, we don't look at how 
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there's a problem. 
Like right back to the beginning

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of where we started this 
conversation, you know, like 

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we're just eating until, you 
know, we're overweight or we're 

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sick or having an allergic 
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And then, and then that's when 
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know if this is healthy for me 
or not. 

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And maybe I need to figure out 
what's going on here. 

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But you're right. 
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with dogs. 
And it's so funny that you said 

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that about your dog kind of like
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I recently Fitz has been eating 
raw for gosh, about a year and a

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half now and he loves it. 
But most recently, something 

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happened where one of my parents
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bit because they didn't know. 
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meal to not be out of the 
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He would like for it to be a 
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But again, I don't think that 
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preferences either, right? 
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their meal to be warm. 
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wild and he ate some kind of 
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because that's how bodies work. 
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easy it is for me to just be 
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thought of that. 
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different angles that you can 
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to learn. 
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how it has to be with dogs. 
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learning and you're not always 
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you're not really giving the 
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dog into your home and taking 
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controlling everything that they
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and playing outside and having 
all those things, don't somebody

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compared it once to when we were
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we all kind of went a little bit
crazy. 

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their life. 
So that's just one of those 

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areas that we could give a 
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dogs and try to see things from 
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have a little bit better day by 
not forcing them to just behave 

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in this box of a house and, and 
have all these requirements that

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are not even, you know, they're 
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they're not normal for them. 
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how to live in most of the time.
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see how much growth comes from 
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into what's possible versus what
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or what the vet or whatever, you
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there's just so much room to 
grow and improve for ourselves 

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and our dogs. 
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that so many more people are 
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you said about the food and the 
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that, you know, shelters are 
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So, yeah, I totally get why they
feed kibble and they hardly ever

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have extra money for things like
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and helping pets transition 
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an easy thing to change. 
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their entire lives and have 
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year and a half, two years been 
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So it is something that you 
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actually easier than switching 
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kibble to kibble. 
So it's it's definitely a fun 

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thing to see that we could 
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a lot of things I think 
unfortunately that take place 

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before we get to that. 
Yeah, I know because there's so 

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many reasons. 
What's interesting is that I, I 

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started out in the rescue world 
in my early 20s and kind of made

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my way through doing a lot of 
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So I have a lot of empathy. 
You know, their burnout is real,

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but like, it's, it's hard. 
It is hard work emotionally to 

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rescue animals. 
Like really, really tough. 

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know, it has to like some, 
something's got to give 

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somewhere. 
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of changed the trajectory of 
where I'm at today is making a 

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decision that I want to do 
better to be able to help these 

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animals. 
What can I do to keep animals 

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out of shelters? 
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because I said, you know, what 
are the reasons that dogs wind 

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up in shelters in the 1st place?
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something that I saw that I 
could make an impact with. 

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But what I, what I see now is 
that the health of our animals, 

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yes, behavior is a big part of 
it, but how they feel also 

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effects their behavior and how 
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how healthy they are. 
So like there's, it's so 

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multifaceted, it's so layered. 
Like we, I think, I think so 

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many of us go through the day 
without giving any mental 

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bandwidth to these kinds of 
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sometimes not even with 
children. 

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You know, like, you know, life 
is tough. 

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Life is hard. 
And I would, I rather, again, 

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like I said, I would rather have
a, a fed dog than a starved dog.

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But you know, if people actually
knew the reality of the pet food

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industry, I think they would ask
more questions. 

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What do you think about the Pet 
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Because that's been like a big 
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I've been following that very 
closely. 

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I've had a couple of 
conversations with Daniel Shula 

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from Jeez, I messed up his name,
Daniel Shula from Keto Natural 

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Pet Foods, and just some really 
fascinating stuff that I've 

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learned from him as well. 
But the fact that it's going to 

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take like 5 years for them to 
change the label so that they 

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are actually revealing truly 
what's in dog food, that to me, 

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he says. 
Like the industry is scared of 

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what's going to happen when they
have to be honest. 

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They actually have a different 
viewpoint. 

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Oh, I'd love. 
It's awesome. 

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And not to say that that, you 
know, I actually don't know. 

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I don't know him and I don't, I 
don't want to say that he's, I'm

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sure that his perspective is 
completely valid. 

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The pet food industry in general
doesn't want it is set up 

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intentionally so that consumers 
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Really only big, big change that
is coming is that they're going 

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to have to list carbohydrates in
the oh gosh, I can't even think 

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of what that little panel is 
called. 

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They're going to have to list 
carbohydrates. 

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So now we have to do the math to
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Most people aren't going to do 
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Do I think, I don't even know 
that people read the bad, the 

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people that we want this to 
affect, the people that we want 

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to wake up to what they're 
feeding their pets or not? 

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I hope this doesn't age poorly, 
but these are not the people 

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that are reading the labels in 
the 1st place. 

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So I don't think it's going to 
have as huge an impact as a lot 

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of people think it's going to. 
But the entire pet food industry

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is set up as a disposal system 
for the human food waste 

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industry. 
So what isn't changing? 

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I don't, I don't think that that
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transparency. 
The people that want to know the

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carbohydrate percentage can 
already do the math to figure 

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out the carbohydrate 
carbohydrate percentage. 

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What's not changing is what is 
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the reality is that the 
definitions of the words that 

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are in the ingredient panel are 
defined based on feed and not 

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what's in the human food supply.
And there is a huge assumption 

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by the entirety of the world 
that whatever is in that 

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ingredient label on that pet 
food bag matches the ingredient 

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that they would buy at the 
grocery store. 

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And that is not true. 
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but if you want to know what the
definition of that food is, you 

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have to pay $250 to get a 
dictionary. 

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So no, there isn't any 
transparency. 

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Yeah, I think that it's it's 
kind of a mixed bag, right? 

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Because I think that 
unfortunately there are a lot of

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people that don't even realize 
that there are carbohydrates and

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dog foods. 
And I think that that is going 

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to be a shocker for a lot of 
people. 

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I'm hoping that, you know, more 
people will start doing homework

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on things like meat meal. 
I'm recently started a series on

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YouTube where I'm breaking down.
This is how you read a dog 

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label. 
This is what these ingredients 

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mean. 
This is what you should be 

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looking for. 
And things like how ingredients 

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are listed. 
So like the first ingredients 

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are weight before like the water
is removed. 

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And so yeah, it, it says that 
there's X amount of meat in it 

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or whatever. 
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really frustrates me the most is
how little education there is 

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out there about what your dog 
like their requirements are. 

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So your bag of kibble has 20 to 
25% Max protein in it, and your 

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dog should be having 60 to 65% 
of protein a day. 

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So you know that that's a big 
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That's 40% of their dietary 
requirement that they're not 

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getting that is affecting their 
health, their life longevity in 

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ways that that people don't 
understand, which kind of 

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boggles my mind because 
everyone's always like, oh, I 

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want my dog to live forever. 
Well, where's the 1st place that

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you could start with that? 
By eliminating these sugars and 

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starches from your dog's diet 
and feeding them more naturally 

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because that's what their body 
requires. 

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And so it's it's simple to see 
how like some of these changes 

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could be made and how we could 
have dogs live longer lives. 

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I think prior to kibble fed 
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shows that golden retrievers 
used to live something like 16 

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or 17 years long. 
And since we started the kibble 

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industry in 1953, now they're 
only living like 10-12 years. 

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That's a big chunk of time, 
right? 

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Yeah. 
With cancer. 

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Yeah. 
It's wild. 

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It's wild. 
What is your like biggest 

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frustration with like the 
feeding industry in general? 

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I think just how it's, I don't 
want to get too high level, but 

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honestly my answer is very high 
level because the reality of all

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of this is that our planet is 
suffering. 

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And I am a big proponent for 
regenerative agriculture. 

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I truly, truly, truly believe 
that it will save the world. 

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And because when our topsoil is 
dead, the Earth is dead and 

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there is a huge percentage of 
the topsoil in our world because

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of things like glyphosate and 
monocropping that is dead. 

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And fortunately there there is 
there, there are initiatives 

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around the world to bring more 
regenerative farming back. 

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And you know, there's a lot of 
scare tactics in the world right

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now, including in our own U.S. 
government, which I do not want 

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to get political at all because 
that is a whole other rabbit 

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hole. 
But it all ties in together. 

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Like, let's be real that, you 
know, we have somebody who has 

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spent his entire life fighting 
glyphosate now saying, but we 

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have to have it to be able to 
feed the world. 

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That's not true at all. 
That's a fear tactic because it 

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change is hard and you have to 
expect there's going to be 

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discomfort to get where you want
to go. 

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And nobody wants to go through 
that discomfort. 

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And does that mean we may not 
have strawberries in February? 

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Yeah, probably. 
Right. 

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And that's going to suck because
I love strawberries. 

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I want to eat them in February, 
too. 

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But that's not natural. 
And if we have to go a handful 

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of years without strawberry and 
like, I realize I'm 

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oversimplifying things, but 
truly we have to fix the human 

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food supply to be able to fix 
the animal feed supply. 

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And so I'm not like going on 
this tangent for no reason 

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because the animal feed supply 
is truly set up to dispose of 

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any and everything you can think
of from dying and decomposed 

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meats that have cancerous tumors
in them that are not going to be

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allowed into the human food 
supply, all the way down to used

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cooking grease from restaurants 
like and any and everything in 

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between. 
And it allows for things like 

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metals and plastics because 
they're not going to pull those 

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things off of the cattle or, or,
you know, the pig or any, like 

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none of that is being pulled off
of these animals before they are

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disposed of. 
And turned into a literal pulp 

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because that's what goes in into
to pet feed and it animal feed 

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in general. 
Like let's be real, like this is

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what is governing. 
You know, what's feeding our 

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cows and our pigs and our 
chickens and everything else as 

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well. 
The salmon that are that are 

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farmed, all of it, you know, 
same governing body is 

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regulating all of it. 
And so that's heavy. 

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And I know that that's really 
heavy, but that is the reality 

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of like what I wish people would
understand that is it more 

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expensive to buy, you know, a 
pound of regeneratively raised 

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ground beef versus industrially 
raised ground beef. 

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It is you're going to get better
nutrients from it. 

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You're going to and, and we have
to learn as consumers to be less

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wasteful. 
And that's I think where a lot 

448
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,000
of the discomfort comes from 
that we are so, and I'm raising 

449
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,480
my hand too, Like I have grown 
up this way. 

450
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,600
It is hard to not impulse buy. 
It is hard to not have a House 

451
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,360
of things that I don't need to 
be wasteful to throw things away

452
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,840
because I wanted that when I 
bought it and I ate a few of it 

453
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520
and now I don't want it right? 
Like I. 

454
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Get it? 
It's. 

455
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Hard. 
But I think ultimately to affect

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,400
change in our pet food industry,
we have to affect change in the 

457
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
human food industry because 
that's where all of this is 

458
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,960
coming. 
From it is wild how wasteful we 

459
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,000
are as humans. 
And you know, I didn't know 

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,240
until when I just started to get
into this nutrition stuff. 

461
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400
So about the last maybe four or 
five years total. 

462
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,200
I didn't know that dog food was 
made out of basically food waste

463
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,400
until, you know, you start doing
that research. 

464
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,240
But again, that's another one of
those areas we it's just not 

465
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,640
commonly educated on. 
People don't know because it's 

466
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,640
just not out there for everybody
to find. 

467
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
You really do have to dig for 
it. 

468
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
You have to take a course on it.
You have to get a certification 

469
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,640
in order to really be presented 
with the actual materials and 

470
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,320
facts, because that's, that's 
how the, the market like glazes 

471
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240
it over. 
They just, you know, we're here.

472
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Here's here's an easy way to 
feed your pet and you know, 

473
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,120
it's, it's taking care of some 
of the planet waste and all that

474
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,680
kind of stuff. 
And you're right, they don't 

475
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,560
clean up the animals or take the
tags off or, you know, and 

476
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,880
there's things like tire sealer 
that ends up in dog food. 

477
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Like that's scary to me. 
It is I mean euthanasia drugs 

478
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
like I could even go further if 
you. 

479
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Really want me to get. 
Like if you want like a really 

480
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,800
controversial episode, I, I, I 
know we're going to put this up 

481
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,400
on both. 
So I told my listeners at the 

482
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800
beginning of this year that I'm 
done, like holding my tongue. 

483
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040
So, but none of them have even 
heard this from me because this 

484
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,960
is actually something that I 
have done it. 

485
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,480
I've started to deep dive in 
because as a woman, I feel that 

486
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:46,440
I have feminist tendencies and I
have started to dive into like 

487
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,720
the origins of the feminist 
movement and what is actually 

488
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:57,680
done to our society and how it 
is actually very damaging not to

489
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680
not to just women, but to men as
well. 

490
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Like we're where we are in a 
society largely due to feminism,

491
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,880
which was given to us. 
It actually was pushed on to 

492
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,120
like women did not want this. 
And you can even go back in like

493
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,880
the, the books that people wrote
the at the beginning of the 

494
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,800
feminist movement where they 
said that we have to get men on 

495
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
board to vote for this because 
women don't want it. 

496
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
And that's what they did. 
They got men on board to vote 

497
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,160
for it for women because women 
didn't want it. 

498
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,640
And like our entire history of 
what we think women went through

499
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920
is not true. 
It it's, it's absolutely insane.

500
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
But the, the whole point of this
is they wanted women in the 

501
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,560
workforce to have to be able to 
tax both people in the household

502
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640
basically. 
And so we could, we could get an

503
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,720
even deeper dive into because 
kibble was invented because 

504
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,000
women were no longer in the home
and we need convenience and we 

505
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,080
need micro waivable meals and we
need kibble defeat our well, I 

506
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320
mean, if we really go back, it's
because of the rations with the 

507
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480
metal from the war. 
But that turned into once men 

508
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,280
came back home from the war and 
they pushed women into the 

509
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000
workforce. 
They said, Oh, well, now you now

510
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
you really need this because 
because it was really canned 

511
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480
food that we couldn't have at 
1st. 

512
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
And then they had to, you know, 
they needed the metal to make 

513
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440
ammunition and things like that 
in the war. 

514
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120
But then once the men came back 
home for more and they were 

515
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
like, Nope, you women need to 
get get in the workforce and we 

516
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200
are going to tax you too because
what you do at home isn't, you 

517
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120
know, we can't tax that. 
Then women had to have something

518
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,960
easy to feed their pets. 
And it's, it's, it's a whole 

519
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
like rabbit hole that we could 
go down. 

520
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,840
It's interesting how much 
society as a whole pushes that 

521
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
you need to make it easier. 
You need to make it easier. 

522
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Like you need this option 
because somebody who who raw 

523
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,120
feeds, I hear all the time, it's
too expensive. 

524
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920
It takes too much time. 
You know, it's I don't have time

525
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,040
for that. 
It's a lot of work. 

526
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320
But honestly, I meal prep for 28
days at a time. 

527
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,840
I have Pyrex dishes. 
I portion everything out and 

528
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
then I freeze it and then I 
unfreeze day by day. 

529
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,760
It takes less time for me to 
meal prep one day every four 

530
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,040
months or every four weeks than 
it did for me to try to figure 

531
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080
out what the heck I'm going to 
feed my dog every single day 

532
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560
because stomach problems can't 
eat kibble. 

533
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,840
You know, do I add this today? 
Do I give the kibble today? 

534
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Did I, you know, I'd have to 
keep like all these charts and 

535
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,560
everything to keep everything 
organized. 

536
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
That to me was so much more work
than just being able to go put 

537
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,120
it, you know, in the defrost 
mode or sit it on the counter 

538
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,760
for an hour or two and then cook
it in the pan a little bit and 

539
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,920
boom, like that's so much easier
to me. 

540
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,720
So I again, convenience aside, 
what really is convenience, you 

541
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,720
know, like what is what is 
actually easier to to struggle 

542
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440
with your dog and having 
vomiting and diarrhea and not 

543
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800
being able to figure out what 
the source of it is for weeks 

544
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600
and months on end. 
Or is it just being able to just

545
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440
pull a meal out of the freezer 
and be like, there's everything 

546
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,680
you need. 
You know what I mean? 

547
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,800
It's it, I think that the 
definition of convenience 

548
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
changes when people's 
perspective of what is 

549
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,760
convenient changes. 
So it, it really is very 

550
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,480
interesting how much our history
and our politics and even 

551
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,760
religion, like how they morph to
fit whatever the message 

552
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,600
currently is within society. 
It's, it's, it's pretty wild, 

553
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680
which is why I think, you know, 
hopefully one day there's some 

554
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,160
hope that like will actually get
some change in these areas. 

555
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
But I don't know. 
It's got to be the right message

556
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,480
that's being pumped out to the 
masses for there to be any kind 

557
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,840
of significant change. 
Because as you said, change is 

558
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,840
hard. 
People don't want to change. 

559
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760
They want to do what they know. 
They want to stick with the 

560
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
routine and they don't want to 
have to question anything. 

561
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Which in my personal opinion, if
there is ever a time in my life 

562
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400
when I'm not changing, when I'm 
not growing, when I'm not 

563
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,920
learning things, when I'm not 
striving to do more, like what 

564
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,920
is the purpose of, you know, I 
don't want to just come home and

565
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,120
watch TV or doom scroll on my 
phone or whatever. 

566
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Like I want to be having 
experiences with my dogs and 

567
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,000
learning things and sharing it 
on the podcast and helping other

568
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,680
people. 
Like I want there to be a 

569
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880
purpose to my life. 
I don't want to just go to work 

570
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,600
and then come home and live 
behind a screen for my entire 

571
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360
life. 
But I guess that's what makes 

572
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,440
you and I different than, you 
know, a lot of other people. 

573
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680
And that's kind of how you find 
your communities, too. 

574
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Well, it goes back to how you 
started all of this with like, 

575
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,840
people don't even look to fresh 
feeding until there's something 

576
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
wrong, which is exactly what 
happened. 

577
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
And you're like, but it's so 
much now, it's so much easier. 

578
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480
But that's because something was
wrong, right? 

579
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,120
And so how do we reach people 
before things go wrong? 

580
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
That's one of the things that 
I've been trying to figure out, 

581
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,120
and I'm curious. 
You asked me what's one thing 

582
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840
you wish people would know about
the industry? 

583
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,840
What is your answer to that 
question? 

584
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,520
If you're here, it's because 
your pet isn't just a pet, your 

585
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,600
family and you can feel when 
something's off, even if the 

586
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,080
labs look normal. 
That's why I created Wild 

587
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,320
Wellness Pet and the Wild 
Wellness Bioenergetic Test to 

588
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,480
help you see the hidden 
stressors your pets body is 

589
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,960
quietly carrying and give you a 
clear, holistic starting point. 

590
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Head to wildwellnesspet.com to 
explore the Bioenergetic test 

591
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,760
and the apothecary and take the 
next loving, protective, 

592
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,239
proactive step for your pets 
healing journey. 

593
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,840
I'm curious like you asked me, 
what's like one thing you wish 

594
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,320
people would know about like the
industry? 

595
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,760
What do you? 
What is your answer to that 

596
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,520
question? 
I wish that people just knew 

597
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,400
same thing pretty much at how 
much garbage is in actual dog 

598
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
food that it's that it's really 
not that great. 

599
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,040
I think that the other thing 
that really bothers me about it 

600
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,800
is that the palliatives, right? 
They add in flavoring after 

601
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800
they've cooked the heck out of 
it, along with all of the 

602
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
vitamins that your dog can 
actually process and, you know, 

603
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,520
absorb because they're not 
bioavailable to force your dog 

604
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,680
to like be interested in it so 
that they want to eat it because

605
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,720
it's gross. 
I don't know about you, but I've

606
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,360
eaten dog food before, lots of 
different kinds of dog food, and

607
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,640
it's it's gross, it's dry, it 
has a terrible flavor, and it 

608
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,480
definitely wouldn't feel 
fulfilling to me if that's what 

609
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,760
I had to eat every single day. 
Yeah, I have not. 

610
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,120
That sounds horrible. 
I'm so sorry. 

611
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
It does sound horrible. 
Like I even what I feed my dog 

612
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080
right now, I wouldn't eat just 
because there's no like 

613
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,440
seasoning in it. 
Like it still would be bland and

614
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480
boring. 
I don't think I would eat what I

615
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560
feed them now just because 
there's bones and fur in it. 

616
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:24,440
Not about that. 
Yeah, I will say like it was 

617
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,480
funny. 
One of the times that I I was 

618
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,520
at, oh, I was actually at one of
the feed real summits and I was 

619
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560
with Hannah at Evermore and we 
were just kind of being silly 

620
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,880
taking pictures and like they 
would when they started ever, 

621
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,400
they actually did like a whole 
month where they ate their food 

622
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,320
because it is all human grade. 
It is. 

623
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,120
And granted that's a cooked 
food, but they don't, you know, 

624
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
they don't use synthetics or 
anything like that. 

625
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,960
And so just to show that like, 
this is actually food that we 

626
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560
could live off of as well. 
Like it's not right where it's 

627
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,320
not seasoned. 
It's not but. 

628
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
And so when we were at the 
funeral, like we did a little 

629
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
shoot where I was like putting a
spoonful of it in her mouth. 

630
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,160
But she was like, I'm actually 
not going to eat this one 

631
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,520
because it's been sitting out 
all day. 

632
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,120
But yeah, I think, I mean, 
there's so many things I want 

633
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,880
people to know. 
Like it's, it's so much of it 

634
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,320
comes down to the fact that like
over and above anything else, 

635
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,040
one of the things that I I hear 
from people like we have again, 

636
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,560
going back, I'm I'm, I'm just 
going way too deep for you for I

637
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,160
hope I'm not going too deep for 
your audience. 

638
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:32,920
You're good. 
You're. 

639
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Good. 
Because, you know, the reality 

640
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,280
of the public school system, the
indoctrination that we go 

641
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,880
through in the public school 
system in the United States is 

642
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,560
to make us worker bees. 
Like, you know, that's very well

643
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,680
documented. 
We, it is not only like taught 

644
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,920
out of us to be creative and to 
think for ourselves, but also to

645
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,640
follow authority figures, right?
And that truly it is not to get 

646
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,760
an education. 
That is what our public school 

647
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680
system is designed to do. 
And it has done a really, really

648
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,440
good job because now we also, we
do this with every aspect of our

649
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120
lives and we look to our 
veterinarians as the authority 

650
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,720
for our pets. 
And we so many of us don't want 

651
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,920
to question it. 
I, I was that person that I, 

652
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,640
when I was in my early 20s, that
even mid 20s, I did any and 

653
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,800
everything my veterinarian told 
me to do to the point where I 

654
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,800
had a house full of cats that 
every single one of them was 

655
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840
getting a different Royal Canin 
formula because that's what my 

656
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
vet said to do. 
Of course, that's what she sold 

657
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
in her office as well. 
But I, you know, I thought I was

658
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880
being the best pet parent I 
could be when in reality, now 

659
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,320
looking back, I'm like, I did 
literally everything wrong. 

660
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,880
But I did exactly what my vet 
told me to do. 

661
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,040
And that I think is because this
is what we're being told. 

662
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,800
These are the kinds of humans 
we're being molded into to not 

663
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,760
think for ourselves and to just 
do whatever the authority figure

664
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
says. 
And that's where we are. 

665
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,320
I'm so sorry I'm going so deep 
today. 

666
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,640
No, you're fine. 
It's funny though, that you said

667
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,360
that because so I, I was a vet 
tech for like almost 10 years 

668
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,120
and it is wild to me the things 
that I have learned since being 

669
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,520
a vet tech because we did, we 
pushed, you know, certainly and 

670
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,360
tick or heart guard or food or 
whatever, you know, that was 

671
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,400
what we, we pushed out and 
vaccination schedules and all 

672
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,120
that kind of stuff. 
And since then, you know, being 

673
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920
in the veterinary community and 
not knowing what a tighter test 

674
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,400
was, you know, and now it's like
now I get tighter tests done and

675
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,840
I vaccinated everybody just came
home. 

676
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Hey, but not being able to, 
jeez, hang on just a second. 

677
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,720
Still getting used to that. 
People coming home, him not 

678
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,480
knowing what the heck he's 
supposed to do. 

679
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,400
You're fine. 
It's OK, I think. 

680
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,120
My audience is definitely used 
to it. 

681
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Kim Kim normally barks at least 
one my record. 

682
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000
My audience is used to it too, 
but he was like going at it. 

683
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Yeah, well, what's really 
interesting is I did a whole 

684
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,720
episode just on titers with 
Doctor Lori Kosher, one of my 

685
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,640
top like 10 episodes for sure 
that I have done. 

686
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,480
And she even said what's so 
interesting is that because she 

687
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280
has been exposed to rabies a 
number of times in her 

688
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,080
veterinary career. 
And even the AVMA will let her 

689
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,440
get a tighter to decide if she 
needs another rabies vaccination

690
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,720
when she's exposed to an animal 
that could potentially have been

691
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,200
rabid, but somehow that doesn't 
disseminate down to the animals 

692
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,240
and their care. 
Yeah. 

693
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,440
It's, I actually had her name is
Noga and she works for Bio Gal 

694
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Labs and she came on and talked 
about titer testing and what it 

695
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,280
does and how it works and all 
that kind of stuff. 

696
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440
It was a really fascinating 
episode. 

697
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,720
But she said the same thing that
like you can get titer tested 

698
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,080
for everything and it will test 
for rabies because it's designed

699
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,200
to do that. 
But because of the state laws, 

700
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,960
you can't say, Oh, well, we're 
skipping rabies this year even, 

701
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,920
you know, because the state laws
require it. 

702
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,880
But for everything else, if your
dog passes, then you can say no 

703
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
to that vaccination, which is 
really, really nice. 

704
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040
I have had really good 
relationships with veterinarians

705
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920
for many years, obviously, 
because I've worked with them. 

706
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,760
But I also have a really good 
veterinarian now who pretty much

707
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,400
will do whatever she's, he will 
do pretty much whatever I want 

708
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160
to do, which is amazing because 
there are a lot of veterinarians

709
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,680
that are like, and I'm not about
that. 

710
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,120
But if you're going to advocate 
for your dog, you need to be 

711
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,640
able to question what your 
veterinarian says and you need 

712
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,760
to talk about, you know, those 
kind of things. 

713
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Now, the only way that I would 
say like I would maybe not push 

714
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
back in with your veterinarian 
is when there is an emergency. 

715
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,760
If they're telling you that 
something needs to be done 

716
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
because your dog's been hit by a
car or they're having an 

717
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
allergic reaction to something 
or whatever, just let them do 

718
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,760
their job because that's what 
they go to school for. 

719
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120
But when nutrition and stuff 
like that comes into play, they 

720
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,720
are not specialists. 
They don't take a ton of 

721
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,840
education. 
One to three hours is all that's

722
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,240
required. 
That's why they have veterinary 

723
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,400
nutritionists who usually end up
working for cable corporations 

724
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,680
anyway. 
So. 

725
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,840
Yeah, we could. 
We could definitely go down that

726
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,520
veterinary nutritionist rabbit 
hole too. 

727
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,160
But you know, I actually I would
like to push back just a little 

728
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,960
bit because I totally agree with
you that what our veterinarians 

729
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,440
are good at is emergency 
medicine. 

730
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Like that is what they know well
and they know best. 

731
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,920
And my dogs are not going to go 
crazy. 

732
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,800
Sorry. 
Hang on. 

733
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
No, it's fine. 
Maybe I don't know, we'll see. 

734
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
That is what they know best. 
So yes, I, I agree. 

735
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Like we do need to kind of give 
them the reins in that area, but

736
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,160
we still need to be aware of 
what is going on. 

737
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,480
And we still need to make sure 
that that we are communicating 

738
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
really, really well with our 
veterinary staff in those 

739
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,040
emergency situations. 
Because those are the situations

740
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,240
where somebody is going to 
inject your dog with a vaccine 

741
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,000
or something because, oh, it's 
not in the paperwork. 

742
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,560
And that is the last time that 
needs to be like your dog is 

743
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,040
already in a trauma situation. 
We don't need to be adding to 

744
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,240
the burden. 
And I have seen that happen so 

745
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,800
many times. 
People get home and they look at

746
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
their paperwork and they're 
like, why did my dog get a 

747
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,080
rabies vaccine while they were 
in an emergency surgery? 

748
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,640
Like crazy? 
Stuff like that. 

749
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,760
And I'm not saying that every 
veterinarian is going to do 

750
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,880
that, but I'm advocating for 
communication transparency. 

751
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,360
And you should be getting a 
treatment plan with, you know, 

752
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,880
your, I don't even know your 
estimate, I guess is the best 

753
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,240
way to say it, that says this is
what we're doing. 

754
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,960
And you should be able to say 
no, yes, no, yes. 

755
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520
I always worked with 
veterinarians that allowed that.

756
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960
My current veterinarian, it does
that. 

757
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,400
But I do know people who have 
had that experience where 

758
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,160
they've, you know, gone to an 
emergency vet or they've gone to

759
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,320
a new vet and they've come out 
with this ridiculous bill and 

760
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,840
they're like, I don't, we 
transferred all of our records. 

761
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Like what happened here. 
It's definitely something that 

762
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
if you're not careful, if you're
not paying attention, if you 

763
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,320
don't have the communication, 
that can be a problem for sure. 

764
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Yeah, yeah. 
But yeah, they are I do think 

765
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,360
best like amazing at emergency 
like that. 

766
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,640
That's when I definitely want my
veterinarian on board is when 

767
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,440
there's an emergency. 
Yeah, yeah, for sure. 

768
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,440
Tell me a little bit about this 
is going to go in a totally 

769
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,600
different direction now, but 
tell me a little bit about what 

770
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680
you're getting into now because 
you're doing some new stuff 

771
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,040
which is super fascinating and I
am here to like learn all about 

772
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,760
this from you. 
Thank you. 

773
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah. 
So one of the things, what was 

774
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,160
my holistic pet health coaching 
certification that kind of 

775
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,880
opened the door for me to Start 
learning about Chinese medicine,

776
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,280
which is fascinating to me. 
And I had a really, I mean, I'm 

777
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
just going to be out like I had 
a really hard time with it at 

778
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,720
1st. 
And everything that I was doing,

779
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:17,840
even working with animals at 
that time was not leading me 

780
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
down that road. 
Like every animal I was working 

781
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,200
with was so sick that I didn't 
even I didn't feel like I had 

782
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,840
breathing room to take Chinese 
medicine into account because 

783
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,280
these dogs couldn't eat 
anything. 

784
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Like my entire world all of a 
sudden was flooded with dogs 

785
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,160
with severe leaky gut. 
I have an abnormally large 

786
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,080
caseload of SIBO dogs, dogs that
have small intestinal bacteria 

787
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,400
over like even my vet mentor in 
this program is like this is so 

788
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,280
rare. 
I'm so shocked you have a dog 

789
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,800
with SIBO to the point where now
like every other case I get is a

790
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440
free end and I am trying to not 
make these. 

791
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,280
I'm like, Nope, this is not 
Nope, this is not SIBO. 

792
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
And I eventually get to the 
point where I have to realize. 

793
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,120
This is Siva. 
Right, And so these are animals 

794
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,560
that are just finding me and I'm
like at the point where I just 

795
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,760
I'm I'm struggling or, you know,
these pet parents are struggling

796
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,200
to get these animals to eat 
anything without flaring their 

797
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,000
immune system. 
Kims like, yes, I know so to me,

798
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,800
I was like the idea of bringing 
in traditional veterinary 

799
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Chinese medicine was like, maybe
I'll be able to get there one 

800
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,280
day, but I'm just trying to 
figure out something these dogs 

801
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,240
can eat today. 
And the point where I'm at now 

802
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,640
is that everything is energy. 
And yes, I do have even with, 

803
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
you know, with these dogs that 
have SIBO, I do have a really 

804
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,640
hard time initially integrating,
you know, herbs and different 

805
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,800
because there's it's so hard to 
get a pet parent who has a dog 

806
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
that is this sensitive to try 
anything new that just to get 

807
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,200
them to try like a novel 
protein. 

808
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Just finding a novel protein by 
the time they have come to me is

809
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,320
is difficult to the point where 
I kind of now know where you can

810
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,840
get Beaver meat. 
This is crazy, but everything is

811
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,800
energy and this is something we 
have known for a very long time.

812
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,400
You know, it is Tesla and 
Einstein and all of these like 

813
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,080
people that we look on in 
history as being the like 

814
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,240
smartest people ever to walk 
this earth. 

815
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Everything is energy. 
We can't create it. 

816
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
We can't destroy it. 
It only transforms. 

817
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,760
And so when I take take that 
into account and I really look 

818
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,360
at Chinese medicine, which I am 
still learning, like honestly, 

819
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
like this is very new to me. 
And I'm not, I'm very upfront 

820
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
about that. 
But even veterinarians that I 

821
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720
have talked to that have been 
studying Chinese medicine for 20

822
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,640
and 30 years are like, I'm still
learning. 

823
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Like this is a lifelong pursuit 
type thing, which I think is 

824
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,760
also true of so many things like
herbalism and homeopathy. 

825
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,960
And, you know, there are things 
that are a little bit more 

826
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,000
finite that you can learn. 
And like, yeah, maybe in 10 

827
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,400
years we'll figure out something
new that we need to learn about 

828
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,680
it. 
But like, these topics are so 

829
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,760
broad. 
And I think they're so broad 

830
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,000
because they are kind of the 
fundamentals of life and things 

831
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
that we can't possibly know. 
I think not to get like too 

832
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,960
existential with, with, with 
your listeners. 

833
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,920
But like, you know, we search 
and we, we can't possibly, I 

834
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,240
think our, the human brain just 
can't possibly know some things,

835
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,080
which is why we, you know, 
believe and a God or we, you 

836
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,920
know, whatever we believe in the
universe, like all it like, 

837
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,360
because it is so complex that 
our brains can't handle it. 

838
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,880
And I feel like Chinese 
medicine, homeopathy and herbs 

839
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:51,360
are all in that same realm of 
like this is what the world is 

840
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,640
made of and we can't comprehend 
it, which is why it is like a 

841
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640
lifelong pursuit and something 
we'll never fully understand. 

842
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,080
But we try our best while we're 
here. 

843
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,200
And so the more and more I do 
learn about Chinese medicine and

844
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,040
I do implement with my own 
clients, I have gotten really, 

845
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,160
really into bio resonance and 
bio energetic testing. 

846
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,120
So it's something that I have 
used for a number like 4 years 

847
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,760
now, but I kind of used it with 
a grain of salt. 

848
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Like, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll 
see if this is like, we'll use 

849
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,520
it as a baseline. 
And that's why I tell, tell my 

850
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,320
clients, I'm like, this is just 
giving us a starting off point. 

851
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,400
We're still going to have to do 
some testing, blah, blah, blah. 

852
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,200
And I still believe that. 
But I look at it so differently 

853
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
now. 
When I get, when I, when I have 

854
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,040
an animal that does an energetic
test and I get the results back,

855
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,120
I look at it differently now. 
I look at it through the lens of

856
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Chinese medicine versus, you 
know, when we look at a CDC or 

857
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,000
when we look at an HDMA or what 
we look at it even like an Omega

858
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,600
or a vitamin D testing. 
These are all physiologic data 

859
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,320
points that we can say this is 
wrong. 

860
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,720
We need to do this to get it 
back where it needs to be or we 

861
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,280
can't if it's a kidney or 
whatever, like so I don't think 

862
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,200
I and I think that's where most 
people get bioenergetic testing 

863
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,160
wrong is that they're looking at
it as a physiological data point

864
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,560
and you cannot do that. 
When I shift lifted my mindset 

865
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,040
to this is energy and I have to 
look at it through the lens of 

866
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,240
energy. 
And so for me, that's Chinese 

867
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,160
medicine. 
Everything changed and I'm like,

868
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,360
I get it now and I can apply it 
so much better. 

869
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:41,040
And so when I reached out to pet
Medela to interview them on the 

870
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,560
podcast and Samantha, who was 
just a beautiful, beautiful 

871
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,160
human, was like, you know, I 
think we might want to work with

872
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
you. 
And I'm like, okay, cool. 

873
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,680
So I went down and I this like 
rabbit hole with her and I 

874
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,080
talked to some people that she 
was already working with that I 

875
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,720
already knew these people. 
And I was like, how has it been 

876
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,560
working with Samantha? 
What do you think of this 

877
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,360
testing? 
And I did a test and I compared 

878
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,840
it to another company that I had
previously been using. 

879
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,760
And the reality of energetic 
testing is that these companies 

880
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,720
are tech companies. 
And I think that's also kind of 

881
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,760
hard to put into perspective 
because these are technology 

882
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,440
companies. 
These are not some of these 

883
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960
companies make supplements and 
things like that. 

884
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,400
And that's wonderful. 
But it's the technology that 

885
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,760
we're looking for that is 
differentiating. 

886
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Like there, there are a lot of 
energetic tests out there now. 

887
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
And it's the technology that 
you're that they're using that 

888
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,360
is differentiating them. 
And so I do think some are 

889
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,000
better than others. 
Of course, they're very wildly 

890
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
different price points as well. 
So we kind of have to look in 

891
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,840
technology is also always 
updating. 

892
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,720
So we kind of have to stay on 
top of the, we're like in in 

893
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,120
this position right now where we
have to realize one that it is a

894
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360
technology company and we have 
to stay on top of that 

895
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,480
technology. 
And so I was just really, really

896
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:08,840
pleased with the work that they 
had done in their testing and 

897
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,800
the technology that they have 
and the results that they are 

898
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,240
providing. 
And then when I then take my 

899
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,880
lens of Chinese medicine to 
that, I'm just seeing some 

900
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,720
really, really, really amazing 
results in my clients when we 

901
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,320
combine those two. 
Also, just to not leave this 

902
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,400
out, like I'm not completely woo
woo. 

903
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,240
I do also like to use HDMA 
testing and combine them and 

904
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,800
look at the energy and the 
physiological data point and 

905
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,840
like see how we can make 
adjustments on either side. 

906
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,680
I do think that is important. 
I don't want to leave that out, 

907
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,360
but I don't do HTMA testing 
that. 

908
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,480
I have AI, have somebody else 
that I know and I love who does 

909
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,600
it. 
And I think she does a really 

910
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,760
amazing job and I want to leave 
that to her. 

911
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,120
And so with this test, I have 
seen, again, applying Chinese 

912
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,280
medicine principles to the 
results is a game changer. 

913
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,320
And yeah, I don't know what to 
say. 

914
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,880
You're muted. 
I think anything that we can do 

915
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560
to give ourselves any kind of 
edge, right, like looking at 

916
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,520
both tests or adding in some 
herbal modification like 

917
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:19,840
whatever. 
It doesn't matter if it's going 

918
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,120
to help, if it's going to layer 
the success, it doesn't matter, 

919
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,880
right? 
Like if, if we're giving 

920
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,360
ourselves an edge, if we're 
giving our dogs an edge, we are 

921
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,040
making, you know, a step forward
in, in how we progress. 

922
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,720
I'm, I'm a Reiki practitioner, 
so it's not something that I 

923
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,560
talk about a whole lot. 
I have done an episode or two on

924
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,360
it, but everything is energy. 
And, you know, I work, I 

925
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,680
specialize in working with dogs 
who are reactive dogs who have 

926
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,560
big feelings, who, who most of 
the time is stemming from some 

927
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,560
kind of gut problem that people 
don't know about. 

928
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,800
And it's just funny how those 
things kind of tend to come full

929
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,960
circle. 
And and then I meet people like 

930
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,000
you where it's like, oh, OK, 
yes, we completely resonate with

931
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,440
each other. 
And now, you know, I learned 

932
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,520
something because of that, that.
So I just think that if, if 

933
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,040
you're open to, again, the 
multifaceted solution situation 

934
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,000
that is out there, it's not 
going to hurt anything. 

935
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,440
All you're doing is finding out 
what works for that dog. 

936
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,400
It's going to be different for 
every single dog because they're

937
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
unique individuals. 
And it, if anything, all it does

938
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,800
is give you benefit, right? 
Like there's nothing wrong with 

939
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,840
giving your dog extra benefit. 
So I just think it's really cool

940
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,120
that you have gotten so deep 
into it and that you're 

941
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,160
learning, I mean, something that
not a ton of people really know 

942
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,880
about. 
I mean, I think I've met maybe 

943
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,160
one other person and I follow 
one other person in addition to 

944
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,320
that who do Chinese herbs on 
Instagram. 

945
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,560
And that's that's like, really 
it because it is a topic I feel 

946
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,000
like it's harder to educate on 
because it is very complex. 

947
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,840
Yeah. 
But also it's in, again, one of 

948
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,840
those places right back to the 
beginning of the conversation 

949
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
again, where unless something 
happens, most people don't even 

950
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,320
think about it being an option. 
It's kind of like, oh, we've 

951
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,880
gone through all this stuff and 
now like you said, you have to 

952
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,800
source Bieber, right? 
Like novel protein. 

953
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,640
OK. 
What is something that this dog 

954
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,320
hasn't had? 
And most people have had the 

955
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,920
crazy amounts of things. 
I know somebody who ended up 

956
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,640
using kangaroo as a novel 
protein because that was the 

957
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
first thing that they found that
that they hadn't been exposed 

958
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,160
to. 
So it's it really is interesting

959
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,080
to see how deeply you can go 
just by adding a tiny little 

960
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,880
thing in that's actually very 
complex. 

961
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,840
So I'm interested to continue 
following your journey with this

962
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,440
and and continuing to learn 
about it, because I also think 

963
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,760
that it is fascinating and it's 
just one of those things that 

964
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,280
it's it again, not talked about 
enough. 

965
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
I don't think people know that 
it's a solution, that it's 

966
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,240
something that does help remedy 
a lot of situations. 

967
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,640
So I'll definitely, I think 
we'll have to have you come back

968
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,720
and we'll have to really get 
into the Chinese medicine part 

969
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,280
of it and the bio resonance part
of it. 

970
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Once you really have everything 
kind of developed and maybe we 

971
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,520
can do like a little test or 
something on one of my dogs and 

972
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,000
and then talk about it. 
I think that'd be super fun. 

973
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Yeah, that would be fun. 
I am curious though, because 

974
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,960
being a Reiki practitioner, I 
know a handful of people who 

975
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,840
are, I know actually know a lot 
more animal communicators and I 

976
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,320
know Reiki practitioners. 
But one of the things that I do 

977
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
kind of still struggle with a 
little bit with some of my 

978
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,760
clients. 
And I'm wondering how you handle

979
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,120
this is I don't think people 
understand how much their 

980
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,840
emotions and their stress and 
their worry and their anxiety is

981
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,680
affecting their animals. 
And you have to feel that when 

982
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,760
you're like moving energy 
through these dogs, like, how do

983
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,240
you how do you handle that with 
with, with the humans in their 

984
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,760
lives? 
Well, what's wild about it is, 

985
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,880
is that like, I would say that 
I, I'm definitely a multi 

986
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,600
layered, multi faceted 
practitioner as well, right? 

987
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,280
Because you can come to me for 
training, you can come to me for

988
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,720
nutrition, you can come to me 
for enrichment, you can come to 

989
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:11,520
me for, you know, all these 
things, But I often find that I 

990
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,400
usually end up combining all of 
them anyway. 

991
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,720
Anybody who's going to be open 
to letting their dog have Reiki 

992
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,880
is usually pretty open to that 
conversation of like, hey, I can

993
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,960
feel like your dog is stressed 
like in this area specifically, 

994
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,040
and that's probably caused by 
this or this. 

995
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,120
And then, you know, let's tie in
the nutrition piece, but also 

996
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,400
like you're pretty stressed 
about this too. 

997
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,720
So now we've got like a whole 7 
layer cake with sprinkles and 

998
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400
what can we do to like mitigate 
on both sides? 

999
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960
So I don't really have much of a
problem talking to people if we 

1000
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,560
get that far into it. 
It's the people who are stuck in

1001
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,920
like the training or only the 
nutrition or only the enrichment

1002
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,040
part, then I'm like, OK, you 
know, we're doing enrichment. 

1003
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,560
This is helping your dog. 
Do you see how like the stress 

1004
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,000
levels and like the dopamine and
all that stuff is, is helping 

1005
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,000
kind of regulate your dog. 
If you regulate your emotions, 

1006
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,880
when you're helping your dog 
regulate their emotions, you 

1007
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,640
know you're going to be 10 times
more successful than you are. 

1008
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,560
So it's it really is just 
finding the right angle I think 

1009
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,880
to come in at. 
Yeah, see, I see. 

1010
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,960
I don't, People don't come to me
for the energy stuff. 

1011
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,200
So they are coming to me with 
like my dog has kidney disease 

1012
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,600
or my dog can't eat anything and
all these food sensitivities and

1013
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Apoquel and blah blah blah. 
And I'm like, by the way, you're

1014
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
so stressed you need to chill 
the F out. 

1015
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Yeah, the Apoquel man, the bane 
of my existence. 

1016
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360
It's like, yeah, Fitz has 
allergies. 

1017
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
He had again from the storage 
mites. 

1018
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,240
I didn't know that that was part
of it. 

1019
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,000
But he's also allergic to cedar 
trees and pine trees, which are 

1020
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,360
very prevalent in the area that 
I live in. 

1021
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,720
So it's like trying to mitigate 
all of that stuff. 

1022
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,960
Now we do do the cyto point 
injection, but it's because I, 

1023
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,080
if I don't do it, he'll chew on 
his feet and then he'll scratch 

1024
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,280
his ears and then we get a ear 
infections. 

1025
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,320
And so it's like one way or the 
other. 

1026
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,120
But my entire existence has 
literally been for the last two 

1027
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,280
years keeping him off of Apoquel
and diet change was a huge part 

1028
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,080
of that. 
And I mean, he doesn't have the 

1029
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,640
same issues that he used to as 
extremely, but you know, he's 

1030
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,880
allergic to trees and I can't 
control the. 

1031
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Yeah, yeah, that is tough. 
Quercetin and Nettles could 

1032
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,080
help. 
I'm sorry you were not asked. 

1033
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,720
No. 
Yeah, this is where my brain 

1034
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,760
goes. 
Like quercetin and nettles 

1035
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,160
because he's got, you know, we 
need to control the histamine 

1036
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,200
response, liver support to flush
out the histamines. 

1037
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Yeah. 
So there, I mean, there are 

1038
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,680
definitely hopefully some things
you could do because I, you 

1039
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
know, cyto point. 
Definitely works and the 

1040
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,440
unfortunate part of cytopoint is
that usually before you start 

1041
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,520
seeing like the long term side 
effects, it just it stops 

1042
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,520
working cuz the immune system 
gets used to it and. 

1043
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,120
Yeah, we used to only have to 
get it like every six or eight 

1044
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,480
months and now we have to get 
every four weeks. 

1045
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,560
So it it's it's time for us to 
have a conversation about some 

1046
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,360
other options because I'm 
getting to the end of my rope 

1047
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,280
with it, unfortunately. 
Yeah, sorry. 

1048
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,840
No, my dog is. 
No, you're fine. 

1049
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,560
It's their dinner time, so she's
starting to get a little antsy. 

1050
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,680
Well, I have one more question 
for you. 

1051
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,960
It's like my, and you can cut 
this part out of when you share 

1052
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,760
it on your podcast if you want 
to, but this is something that I

1053
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,560
call answering the ask. 
So let me move it over to the 

1054
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,280
screen so that I can read it 
because I had, it's like a 

1055
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,480
really long one for whatever 
reason. 

1056
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,440
OK, before we wrap up, I want to
pause for something that I call 

1057
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,880
answering the ask. 
This is a part, this is the part

1058
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,280
of dog parenting where things 
stop being about fixing and 

1059
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,800
start being about understanding 
what's actually going on beneath

1060
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,880
the behavior, the gut problems, 
all the kinds of things. 

1061
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Can you tell me an example of a 
time you worked with a client 

1062
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,600
that was something that you had 
never seen and the dog was 

1063
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,200
asking you for a different kind 
of approach? 

1064
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,640
And what happened when you 
listened and changed your your 

1065
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,000
treatment plan for that dog, I 
think. 

1066
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,040
One of the biggest things I had 
to overcome at the very 

1067
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,960
beginning? 
Well, not the very beginning, 

1068
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,760
but when I, after I got 
certified for health coaching, 

1069
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,120
pet health coaching, I had only 
ever worked with raw feeding and

1070
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,760
before that and my vet mentor in
this program was very much is 

1071
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,320
very much about cooked feeding. 
And I was really, really 

1072
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,960
struggling with that. 
And so for a little while I was 

1073
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440
kind of bouncing back and forth 
with my clients. 

1074
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,400
My dog is whining. 
I'm sorry, where I really, 

1075
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,680
really want like the end result.
I would very much like if my 

1076
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,080
clients would wind up on a raw 
food diet and it was actually my

1077
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,880
very first like real client. 
After graduating the 

1078
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,000
certification program. 
I tried to go the cooked food 

1079
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,920
route because that is what my 
training had taught me, that 

1080
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,000
this dog had such severe gut 
issues that I needed to 

1081
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,480
alleviate as much as a burden as
possible with digestion and 

1082
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,400
cooking was going to help and 
blah blah blah. 

1083
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:35,720
Well, come to find out, this dog
had what I believe was actually 

1084
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,600
a true histamine intolerance. 
We worked for a year with this 

1085
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,400
dog and I got to the point where
I was like, I just really like 

1086
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,720
this. 
This is so super rare. 

1087
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,320
I cannot believe my first case 
is an actual histamine 

1088
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,480
intolerance. 
And we did go and switch to a 

1089
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,760
raw food diet for this dog and 
that made all the difference 

1090
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,880
because every step of processing
adds histamines to a food. 

1091
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,840
So I think what that taught me 
was that it reminded me to look 

1092
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,640
at every dog as an individual 
and I have to sometimes speak up

1093
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,520
for the animal even when a 
client either I have clients who

1094
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,760
want to feed raw and they're 
like, no, I want to continue to 

1095
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,640
feed raw. 
And then I have clients who are 

1096
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,760
just scared to death of raw. 
And while I want to honor that 

1097
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,480
for them, I think it's my job to
honor what the animal is 

1098
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,680
needing. 
So that I think, I hope that 

1099
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,800
answers your question, question 
as to like one of the biggest 

1100
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,160
lessons I have learned is that I
am supposed to be that animals 

1101
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,880
advocate regardless of my 
preconceived notions and 

1102
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,040
regardless of what the pet 
parent wants or doesn't want. 

1103
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,600
While I try to work with that, 
obviously they're the ones 

1104
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,840
paying the bill. 
Just trying to be that animals 

1105
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,960
advocate. 
I think that's a great answer 

1106
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:57,600
because you can't change the gut
situation, the health situation,

1107
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,760
unless the pet parent is 
actually truly willing to try 

1108
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,840
something different, different 
because just switching to 

1109
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,600
another brand of kibble never 
fixes the problem. 

1110
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,160
And unfortunately that's kind of
the solution that's always 

1111
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,440
plastered on there. 
So no, I think that's, that's 

1112
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,480
wonderful that you advocate for 
your clients, the dogs, even 

1113
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:19,640
though you're still trying to 
work with the pet parents and, 

1114
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,080
and finding those happy mediums 
is, is the most important thing.

1115
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,040
Because if you can find an 
easier way, let's start with 

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01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,760
lightly cooked, then it's easier
to kind of for them to see, Oh, 

1117
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,280
this is helping and then 
progress them to what the dog 

1118
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,720
actually needs. 
So I love that you step them 

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01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,840
through that. 
By the way, that dog made such a

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:43,480
huge transformation and a year 
later, a year after, because it 

1121
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,040
took us about a year to get 
there. 

1122
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:49,640
A year later, that dog saved his
family from a house fire. 

1123
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,360
Wow, Yeah. 
Wow. 

1124
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,000
That's incredible. 
What a cool story. 

1125
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,760
I know. 
Such a cool story. 

1126
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,680
Oh, my gosh. 
Well, will you tell everyone how

1127
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,240
they can find you, connect with 
you, all the things? 

1128
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Yeah, I think the best place to 
find me. 

1129
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,640
Well, it depends on where you 
are. 

1130
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,640
I like, I wanted to be like go 
to my website, but honestly, I 

1131
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,320
think most people find me on 
Instagram. 

1132
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
I have two Instagram accounts. 
The primary one is the pet 

1133
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,000
Parenting Reset because that's 
my podcast. 

1134
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,280
You can of course, go to the pet
parentingreset.com or you can 

1135
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,560
just go to Wild Wellness Pet and
that will lead you everywhere. 

1136
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,920
So yeah, I try to be where you 
are. 

1137
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,680
What about you? 
Because I need that too. 

1138
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Where can we find you? 
You can find me on Instagram 

1139
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:40,240
either at MEM under Score Loves 
Dogs, or you can find us at The 

1140
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,920
Dog Who Asked for More, which is
my podcast, and you can also 

1141
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,160
find us at The Dog Who Asked for
more.com. 

1142
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:51,880
Awesome, yay. 
Before you go, if today's 

1143
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,840
episode got you thinking about 
what's really going on beneath 

1144
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,760
the surface for your pet, don't 
forget to check out Wild 

1145
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,440
Wellness pet.com. 
You'll find the Wild Wellness 

1146
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,160
Bioenergetic test to help 
uncover hidden stressors, plus a

1147
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,400
curated apothecary of holistic 
remedies to support true root 

1148
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,400
cause healing. 
Visit wildwellnesspet.com to 

1149
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,000
start building a calmer, more 
vibrant pet from the inside out.