1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,160 Welcome back, pet parent. I have one of, I think, the most 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,600 interesting guests I've ever had on this show because of what she 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,320 does. I have an integrative holistic 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 of veterinarian. Her name is Doctor Barry Sands, 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,200 who also does emergency critical care medicine. 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,280 And I'm just so fascinated by her. 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,480 I, I listened to her talk a couple of years ago at HBMA and 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,960 I was like, I need to know this woman. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,280 And so I have tried very hard to weasel my way into her circle. 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,240 And she's here with us today and I'm just so excited for to have 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,280 her on and have her talk to you because not only does she do 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,600 emergency medicine, she does holistic healthcare and she we 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,760 use in esoteric topics of energy medicine and quantum biology. 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,840 And Oh my goodness, we're just, we're going to get into all of 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,960 it. So First off, welcome Doctor 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,960 Barry Sands to the pet parenting Reset. 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,640 How are you doing today? Jessica, thank you so much for 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,319 inviting me to speak to your community of like fabulous 19 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,240 people out there. And I'm doing great. 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,680 I'm doing great today. You know I'm feeling pretty 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,960 good. So today, today's a good day. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,520 I've been a little under the weather for the last week and 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,160 now I'm not. That's amazing. 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,960 Like when you just wake up one day and you're like, Oh yeah, I 25 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:22,400 was sick and now I feel amazing. And you just like, really 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,440 appreciate that feeling for a minute. 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Like I know. Yeah. 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,640 Take it for granted so often. That's kind of amazing. 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Absolutely. And, you know, I've been, you 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,880 know, it was a actually a really good reminder for me about 31 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,600 really appreciating all the beautiful biologic magic that's 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,200 always happening inside of us because I have been healthy for 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,600 so long that I forgot what it was like not to be healthy. 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,480 And, and I realized that I was definitely taking a little bit 35 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,760 of that for granted. And so now I'm sort of 36 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,280 recalibrated to be more mindful about just the things that I'm 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,720 doing with my body and my health and my supplements and just more 38 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,840 routine and, you know, just kind of getting back into a different 39 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,840 level of groove, you know, So that was really, it was good. 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,320 It was a good experience. Yeah, well, I mean, that's so 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,400 interesting. And and I'm, I'm curious 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,920 actually, I, I want to maybe circle back around to that. 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,240 But before we do, I would just love, I always like to ask 44 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,480 veterinarians that come on the show, like what got you into 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,680 veterinary medicine? And then what got you down the 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,600 path of holistic veterinary medicine? 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 All right, let's talk straight. What's going on with your dog? 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,520 What's going on with your cat? Do they have chronic GI issues, 49 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,160 bad breath, bad behavior, constant upset stomachs, 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,400 diarrhea? Do they have indigestion 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,840 symptoms? Do they have allergies? 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,800 Are they itching all the time? Do they have skin issues? 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,640 What is going on with your dog? Because chances are based on the 54 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,560 data, based on what we know, there is something going on with 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,320 your dog or cat because most dogs and cats in the US are not 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:05:35,840 super healthy. But before we do, I would just 57 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:40,120 love, I always like to ask veterinarians that come on the 58 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 show, like what got you into veterinary medicine? 59 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,760 And then what got you down the path of holistic veterinary 60 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,080 medicine? Yeah. 61 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,880 Well, you know, that's a really, it's a, it's an interesting 62 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,880 question. It's a little bit of a of a 63 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,880 story. You know, I think everyone has 64 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,000 their story. But for me, it started when I 65 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,520 was really young and I didn't always want to be a 66 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,680 veterinarian. That was not in my in my 67 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,080 consciousness. But what was in my consciousness 68 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,000 was I wanted to work with dolphins. 69 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:21,800 That was my, my driving force. And I had this idea since I was, 70 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,480 you know, five years old at least, you know, and I just, 71 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,960 they were, they fascinated me on so many levels. 72 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,000 And as I got older, I started reading about the, all the 73 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,280 studies and the research that has been done with dolphins in 74 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:37,360 the world of consciousness and energy. 75 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,760 And so it was very esoteric to start with. 76 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,160 And then as I got older, I was like, OK, well, I need to work 77 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,040 with these animals on some level. 78 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,640 I was also very much of A lucid dreamer. 79 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,480 Oh, wow. And still AM. 80 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,840 And so the whole aspect of the dream realm was what I call 81 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,880 dreamtime was a very significant part of my life. 82 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,360 It was like my alternate reality and constantly. 83 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,640 And then I found out that dolphins had a sort of a similar 84 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,400 esoteric sort of sharing of dreamtime. 85 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,960 And so that led me into researching people like John 86 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Lilly, who was a dolphin conscious researcher back in the 87 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,480 70s, and Timothy Leary and Edgar Cayce and just names of people 88 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,600 that were really much into the alternative consciousness 89 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,400 esoteric types of healing. So they were very fascinating 90 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:38,120 for me and I still led me back to the sort of logistics about 91 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,720 how do I work with dolphins. I just wanted to be next to 92 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,360 them. And I grew up in, in New York. 93 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,360 I grew up in Brooklyn, NY. And so there weren't any 94 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,520 dolphins in Brooklyn, you know, And I mean, I, it was a 95 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,000 concrete, concrete jungle. And so nature, it was limited 96 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,440 nature that I was exposed to as a, as a young child. 97 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,600 That being said, as I went through college getting a degree 98 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,680 in biochemistry because I just love sciences, I was also very 99 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,920 much involved in neurology because I wanted to do dream 100 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,280 research and I wanted to do dream research in dolphins. 101 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,680 And so that led me down the path of wanting to get a PhD in 102 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,200 neurology and dream research. So as I applied to all these 103 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,360 programs when I was in college, so after my BS degree in 104 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,160 science, I was going to get a PhD in neurology, but that 105 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,880 didn't pan out because I didn't get accepted into any of the 106 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,559 programs that I wanted. And so there was only three 107 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,880 programs, and they were very selective. 108 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,200 And, you know, hundreds of people. 109 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,720 And I just wasn't one of them. So lots of, you know, letters. 110 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,520 We regret to inform you that you didn't make it. 111 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,760 And so I'm like, OK, well, OK, Different paths change, change 112 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,120 paths. So on my graduation day, my 113 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:01,080 genetic professor came up to me. And he says, so Barry, what are 114 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,120 you going to do now? And I was like, I'm going to be 115 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,480 a veterinarian. Just out of nowhere, I. 116 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Was like, that's what I'm going to do. 117 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,760 And so because I was like, well, if I'm a veterinarian, I could 118 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,520 work with dolphins and then I could, you know, go back to 119 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,600 that. So then that led me down that 120 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,640 path and I ended up going to vet school and loving, loving 121 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,520 medicine. You know, it's just medicine, 122 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,720 loving learning about all of that. 123 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:39,240 And then that led me into a decision to specialize in either 124 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,280 medicine or surgery because after college I did an 125 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,320 internship. I mean, after vet school I did 126 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,400 an internship and now I wanted to specialize because I just, I 127 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,560 don't know, I have this, I'm a constant learner and I'm always 128 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:54,720 learning and I love learning. You never stop learning. 129 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,240 And so that's probably why I do all these things because it kind 130 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,120 of keeps me just very engaged in life. 131 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,000 There's never an endless isn't never an endless supply of 132 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,880 knowledge. And knowledge is wisdom and 133 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,200 wisdom is healing. And so after I couldn't decide 134 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,080 on whether or not I did emergency surgery or medicine, I 135 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,040 decided to do emergency medicine because that was the best of 136 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,240 both worlds. And so that's how I ended up in 137 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:28,040 the ER and I've been doing emergency medicine for about 30 138 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:34,520 years now. And yeah, and it's is the the 139 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:40,520 epitome of conventional medicine training that you get is what 140 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,320 you do in the ER, right? So now, how did my holistic 141 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,360 practice come into play? Right. 142 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,840 And I mean, I always, I still had this yearning for more, you 143 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,160 know, healing and wholeness and all of that. 144 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,960 And so then I was like, OK, well, I need to start diving 145 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,080 into that. And so about 20 some odd years 146 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,040 ago, I started becoming certified in acupuncture and 147 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,560 learning Chinese medicine, you know, and that led me learning 148 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:13,960 to inter learning about herbs and plant medicine, right? 149 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,000 And then that led me into homeopathy. 150 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,000 And then homeopathy led me into energetics, you know, and then 151 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,640 all of this sort of circled back to this dolphin thing, which I 152 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,720 never quite worked on dolphins, but I've swam with them in the 153 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,280 in nature. So I've been with them and I 154 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,400 feel pretty complete with my dolphin experiences. 155 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:41,680 But that's how I got into holistic medicine through my 156 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:46,280 emergency medicine. And then the aspect of heart 157 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,720 math and learning heart coherence and getting trained in 158 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,720 that, teaching stress management and resilience building and 159 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:00,000 coherence training was really introduced to me as an idea when 160 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,480 I was on the emergency service, when I was doing emergency 161 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,280 medicine. Really. 162 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,720 So, OK, I do want to get into all of that, but I want to take 163 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:14,360 a really quick tangent because I'm just so curious what your 164 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,800 thoughts are because you have spent your whole life being so 165 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:22,280 interested in dolphins. What do you think the reason is 166 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,040 that there are laws against us interacting with dolphins? 167 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,040 You mean in the wild? Yeah, yeah. 168 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,040 You know, I think it's, I don't know, I don't know the exact 169 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,320 reasons, but I, I think it's because people mess things up. 170 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,320 You know, people, they create problems and they're not 171 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,920 respectful of nature. And so they, they want to, they 172 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,120 want to put their own spin on things and their own egotistic 173 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,360 experiences. And, you know, they're not in 174 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,480 harmony with nature. And so I think that's one of the 175 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,440 reasons why it's like just nobody touches anybody. 176 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,720 Yeah. Because when I was in, when I 177 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,720 went swimming with the dolphins in the Bahamas, it was very 178 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,000 organic. I was with a group of people who 179 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,680 were very consciously aware and ambassadors for the cetacean 180 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:12,720 community. And we were on a boat. 181 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,200 There was like 12 of us and we would just drive around and, and 182 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,040 call in pods and then when the pods showed up, we would jump in 183 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:24,000 and we would just be with them until they got tired and left. 184 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,960 And then we'd go finding another pod. 185 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:30,120 And they all, they told us, you know, don't touch the dolphins, 186 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,680 don't touch them. And I'm like, OK, you know, and 187 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:39,240 but they wanted to touch us. They wanted at least me. 188 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,120 I don't know about everybody. I just know my experience, you 189 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,560 know, they wanted to like rub against you and they wanted to 190 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:49,560 play with you and bring you toys and play fetch with little sea 191 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,600 reefs and, and things. And there was a moment in time 192 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,680 where I had a dolphin just stop in front of my nose and we were 193 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:03,680 nose to nose touching and time just stood still and it was a 194 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,320 beautiful experience. I was laughing because I'm like, 195 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,440 like, what are we doing here? Are we going to kiss? 196 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,080 I don't understand. It's so amazing. 197 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,400 Like they're so smart and they're so I don't like, I find 198 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:26,120 it very interesting how conscious you are and how how 199 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,120 how much you are just kind of like drawn to dolphins. 200 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,400 That's just so interesting to me. 201 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:39,600 But OK, so tell me a little bit more about how you blend 202 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:45,480 holistic modalities into emergency medicine because as 203 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,480 you said, like that is the epitome of like allopathic care 204 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,040 is in an emergency setting where it's just like you are reacting 205 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,800 and you are having to use pharmaceuticals and use surgical 206 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,760 intervention. And like this is like the 207 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,680 epitome of allopathic medicines. I'm really curious how you blend 208 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,200 holistic modalities into that. Well, you know, the beauty about 209 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,080 emergency medicine and, and allopathic medicine is that it's 210 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,800 designed to work fast and hard, right? 211 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,240 And so if I have an animal that comes in that has a severe 212 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,360 trauma, whether it's an animal attack like attacked by a coyote 213 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,480 or they got hit by a car or in some fight situation or a police 214 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,880 dog that was in gunshot, like whatever it is that comes in, 215 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,480 your medicine is is absolutely your friend. 216 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,600 That's what you want. Then you know, you want your IV 217 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,640 catheters, your IV fluids, your pain meds, your antibiotics, 218 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,000 your blood products, you know the surgical, but you want all 219 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,240 of that. It is in the sort of afterwards 220 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,200 where you would implement more of the holistic things, you 221 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,080 know, as the body is going into its healing phase, you know, to 222 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,280 help with that more natural means of pain control. 223 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Acupuncture, you know, I like to use sound therapy is something 224 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,320 that I've been wanting to implement in, in healing. 225 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,000 So all of those other things, you know, the herbs and the 226 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,160 homeopathic and the acupuncture, the massage, the the PT, the 227 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,480 body work, the laser, the cold laser, all of that is going to 228 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,600 be implemented afterwards in a perfect world, you know, and, 229 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,440 and it's not always like that, you know, people, you know, 230 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,360 there's the human element that's involved and then there's the, 231 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,920 you know, the mindset of what health and Wellness really is, 232 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,040 you know, so I meet people where they're at and ioffer what I 233 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,840 can. And if they want that, they get 234 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,800 that, you know, but not everybody wants that. 235 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,480 Not everybody wants acupuncture or good nutrition. 236 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,760 They just want you to, you know, fix them up and fix the fracture 237 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,640 and then send them home with some, you know, codeine and 238 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,319 gabapentin and they call it a day. 239 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,400 So do you have like a practice outside of the emergency room 240 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,319 where people who you may have met in an emergency situation 241 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:16,720 can follow up with you afterwards? 242 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,599 Is that how you're handling? That, yeah, OK. 243 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,640 So the hospital that I work in is a specialty hospital so we 244 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,119 have all the modalities there. We have the emergency critical 245 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,760 care, we have internists and cardiologists and surgeons and, 246 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,120 and I, I'm on the ER team, obviously, and I also have my 247 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,560 holistic practice. So a lot of the times I meet a 248 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,480 lot of my holistic clients in the ER, you know, that are just 249 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,400 coming back. They keep coming back for all 250 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,800 these issues. And I'm like, OK, well, if we 251 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,440 want to have you not keep coming in for vomiting and diarrhea, 252 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,640 then let's, let's you know, let's help heal the system, you 253 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,760 know, And so then they make an appointment for a consult, for a 254 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,320 holistic consult, and then we'd go down that route. 255 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Nice. That's so rewarding because 256 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,080 that's where the healing happens. 257 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:09,160 And then I don't see them, you know, on the ER anymore, which 258 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,640 is really nice. You know, I mean, I, I tell 259 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,280 people that my goal is for you not to need me, you know, on any 260 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,320 level. So it is really nice actually, 261 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,640 because you know, the other, the other veterinarian that I I've 262 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,680 spoken with didn't have that piece. 263 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,440 And so I feel like in in his particular instance, I feel like 264 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,520 that burnout is going to happen with him so much quicker, which 265 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,000 is interesting. And I don't know, it certainly 266 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,880 wasn't something I had planned on talking to you about. 267 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:43,880 But burnout in veterinary medicine is, is rough and real. 268 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,640 And is that the fact that you get to potentially follow up 269 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,080 with these people holistically, these pets holistically after 270 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,720 emergency care is do you feel like that has helped you from 271 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,600 preventing some of this burnout? I for me, I think the most 272 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,080 important thing to prevent burnout is self-care and self 273 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,520 compassion. And you know, being becoming a 274 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,120 certified trainer working with the Heart Math Institute has 275 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,880 definitely helped with that. And, you know, one of the 276 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:24,440 reasons why I became a part of that community was because one 277 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,720 of the things that drove me there was I in my emergency 278 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,160 practice and also as a veterinarian, I kept seeing 279 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:37,480 this, this really weird phenomenon of animals and humans 280 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,920 sharing a disease process. I say, oh, yeah, you know, I 281 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,720 have this. My animal has that, right. 282 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:48,120 It was so prevalent and amongst everybody, all veterinarians, 283 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,480 you ask them, everyone says, yeah, you know, have you ever 284 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,240 met a client who has the same disease as their animal? 285 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,440 And the answer was always yes, you know, And then so I said, 286 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,480 well, OK, well, why what? That's weird, right? 287 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,160 Like what's happening? What's happening there? 288 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,440 Like, where is that coming from? And so then that led me into the 289 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,640 world of, of energy and quantum biology and quantum entanglement 290 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,160 and biofield Physiology and learning about the energetics of 291 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,440 things in a more deeper level. And so I went when I went up and 292 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,360 met with the researcher and the head CEO of of Heart Math 293 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,600 Institute. I told him about this. 294 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,320 I said there's this phenomenon and I want to understand how 295 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,720 it's happening and why it's happening and if there's 296 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,800 anything I could do about it, you know? 297 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:36,160 And so I learned about the aspects of going into coherence 298 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,440 and what that meant, you know, in your own Physiology and how 299 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,360 that helps heal your body and then how you can use that to 300 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:48,160 heal the animals or even the people that you're interfacing 301 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,280 with. And then that understanding led 302 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,760 me to really circle back to how these modalities such as 303 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,320 homeopathy and energy works, such as Reiki and T touch and 304 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,600 quantum touch and cranial sacral therapy, how all of that really 305 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,520 works in the system. You know, it's because of this 306 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,440 mechanisms and the pathways that we learn about in quantum, in 307 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,360 quantum worlds and quantum and energy medicine. 308 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,840 So it all circled back to energy medicine. 309 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,600 Yeah. So sorry, Go ahead, go ahead. 310 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,720 Well, I just, this is a lot that we're talking about, but you 311 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,600 know, it made me, it made me realize that this energy work is 312 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,600 really the icing on the cake of everything that we are 313 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,880 experiencing. You know, we're taught in school 314 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,720 about biology and we're taught about chemistry and how 315 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,720 chemistry drives biology, right? You take a pill, you get better. 316 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,760 It's, it's that kind of thing. But what we're not taught is the 317 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,840 physics that drives the chemistry that drives the 318 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,600 biology, and then the energy that drives the physics that 319 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,800 drives the chemistry that drives the biology. 320 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,000 So then you just bypass the middle and say energy drives 321 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,840 biology and then you just start working with energy. 322 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 And what I found is that it's simple. 323 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,040 It's so simple to when you start from that level, you know, to go 324 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,560 down and you don't need a lot of, you don't need any tools or 325 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,440 medicine. You know, the energy is the 326 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,520 medicine, the thoughts are the medicine, the emotions are the 327 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,800 medicine. You know, there's a lot to tap 328 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,400 into in that, that way. The sound is the medicine. 329 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,960 You know, the light is the medicine. 330 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,720 And so I mean, I love that. I think it's a it's, it's 331 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,640 fascinating and exciting for me. And, you know, so I like to kind 332 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,520 of try to blend all of that into place because, you know, I still 333 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,320 say if you cut me out, I will bleed. 334 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,400 You know, I mean, we're still flesh and blood. 335 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,280 And so, you know, I, if I, if I take a knife to my hand, it's 336 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,960 going to bleed and I have to do something to make it stop, 337 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,120 right? By opposing the tissue and then 338 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,720 putting over a Band-Aid, right? But after that, everything 339 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,800 underneath that is the energetics of the body that's 340 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,240 healing that you know. Yeah. 341 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,120 So what what are some of the some of the things because I'm 342 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:25,920 thinking of, of things that, you know, are not actually that easy 343 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:31,960 to do in today's world, but that we need to be doing so badly to 344 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,240 reconnect and to kind of get that our energy, pull our energy 345 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,520 back for one, like I'm thinking of like how scattered our energy 346 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,720 is in today's world. What are some of the things that 347 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,160 you might send pet parents home to do on their own without 348 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,960 tapping into the things that they might need to come in for, 349 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,240 whether that's acupuncture or laser or because I mean, 350 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,120 obviously there are pimp devices there, there's red light there, 351 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,600 there are devices that we can use. 352 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,560 But things that pet parents, you said it can be free. 353 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,600 What are some of these things that you might send pet parents 354 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,080 home with to do to kind of work on that energy? 355 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Yeah. Well, you know, the first and 356 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:18,160 foremost I feel people need to learn how to reconnect with 357 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,480 their hearts. And then when you reconnect with 358 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,960 your heart, you reconnect with with the source of the energy 359 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,080 that that's infusing that and you also gives you an 360 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840 opportunity to connect with the ground and the earth. 361 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,440 So simple things like, I mean, there's breathing techniques, 362 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,200 there's heart brain harmony, coherence techniques. 363 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,280 Then there's just super simple things like grounding, you know, 364 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,080 going out in nature with your animal, you know, barefoot in 365 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,560 the grass, laying down, you know, letting the earth kind of 366 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:01,360 rebalance the Physiology and hydration, Hydration is such a 367 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,880 key factor in so many things. And, and you know, like I say, 368 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,240 the solutions are pretty simple, but they're not easy because a 369 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,720 lot of people are just, you know, they're, they're wrapped 370 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,920 up in their story, in their days, in their to do lists. 371 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,760 And they just, and their fears, you know, their fears of, you 372 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,840 know, their animal being sick. Because I mean, really, we're 373 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,600 all talking about illness, right? 374 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,320 Because if everybody's well, then everybody's well and 375 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,000 there's nothing, then we're not, we have nothing to talk about 376 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,560 really, right. And so we're constantly talking 377 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,560 about like, how can I heal? How can I help my, my pet has 378 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,320 this condition. What do I do? 379 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,080 You know, I have this condition, what do I do? 380 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,800 And starting from the simplicity of taking a breath, you know, 381 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,000 using, you know, ox, the your body at first and foremost needs 382 00:25:53,000 --> 00:26:04,200 oxygen and sunlight and water and, and, and, and a higher 383 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,120 frequency of energy in fusing into it through your thoughts 384 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:11,120 and your emotions. And so just that little 385 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,960 checklist is, you know, where you start. 386 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,920 And then there are techniques for that. 387 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,440 I mean, there's so many different techniques for 388 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,200 breathing. Yeah, yeah. 389 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,200 Rhetoric alone. And I think the whole idea is to 390 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,720 not get caught up into one particular way or a dogma about 391 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,200 it because I find that everybody seems to have the solution even 392 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,440 in that realm, you know, like quantum breathing. 393 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,440 And this is how you do it. You know, it doesn't have to be 394 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,840 that stringent. You know, you could just pick 395 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,040 one that resonates with you and then just start doing it. 396 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,760 I mean, I think in, at the end of the day, it's the practice 397 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,680 that makes the most difference, you know, is to just do it. 398 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,520 I was going to go to a meditation class tonight and I 399 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,280 talked myself out of it because I have so much work to do. 400 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,920 And I feel like talking to you right now is like the universe 401 00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,320 saying, you know what, you need to go, you need to go. 402 00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,840 So I think when we get off of this call, I'm going to go ahead 403 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,400 and book that because we are so disconnected. 404 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,200 And I feel it like I literally, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. 405 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,680 I'm addicted to my AI. I'm addicted to chat GPTI use it 406 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,360 for everything. And when I mean everything, I 407 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:27,040 mean like therapy helping me when I'm staring at a blank 408 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,800 page, like all of it, it's been it, it's interesting. 409 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,600 But like, I literally was like, I need, I need to get off of my 410 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,280 phone. And it's funny to me that I went 411 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,360 to my GPT this morning and I was like, I need to get off of my 412 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,240 phone. What can I do? 413 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,480 And I'm like on my phone asking my GPT how to get off of my 414 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,880 phone. So yes, I think I'm going to, 415 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,680 I'm going to book that meditation class tonight. 416 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,440 But yeah, it is, it is kind of interesting. 417 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000 And what I'm kind of going to circle back a little bit because 418 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:04,320 you, you know, growing up in Brooklyn can really identify 419 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800 with people and pets who are living in those types of 420 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,240 environments where they're not touching the grass. 421 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,240 A dog may I like living in a high rise, Like when are they 422 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,200 going to unless their pet parent is very intentional about 423 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,400 getting them into a park somewhere or like when are they 424 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,480 even going to touch grass? And one of the things is that a 425 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,360 company that I think we both know and love is really 426 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:34,400 passionate about doing is bringing that outside into the 427 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240 food bowl. And I'm curious like if that's 428 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,840 also something that you talk to pet parents about because, you 429 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,720 know, like you said, life is busy. 430 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840 We have to do lists, we have things to do. 431 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Like are there other ways in which you might coach people 432 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,600 into into bringing like a more natural rhythm back into their 433 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,120 pet pets lives? I mean, depending on your 434 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,360 environment, there's so many things now that you can bring 435 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,880 like indoors, right? They have these gardens, these 436 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520 small little gardens, these tower gardens that you can, that 437 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,360 you can buy that have that grow lettuces and herbs and all sorts 438 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,680 of things. Like you could put that on a 439 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,360 patio, you could put it in your house by a window. 440 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,520 And they have these mats, these grounding mats now, like little 441 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,400 sheets that just give off this electromagnetic, you know, 442 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,080 pulses of, you know, to balance out the energies. 443 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600 I mean, animals love to sit on that stuff. 444 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,040 You know, it brings the IT brings the outside to the 445 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:41,320 inside. You know, I think that any way 446 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760 that you could do it, you know, you want to get some dirt from 447 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,960 outside, bring it in. Have I mean, dogs need to smell 448 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,880 things. Yeah. 449 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,280 And so there's there's nature everywhere, like even in even in 450 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,640 New York City and and, you know, Brooklyn, they have, they do 451 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440 have parks. They have, I mean, we had this 452 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,960 one tree in our, on our street and it, you know, there's 453 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880 concrete and then there's a tree and then there's like a block of 454 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,520 concrete around it and then there's like some dirt, right? 455 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,760 And then there's a tree. And it was actually this one 456 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,120 tree. It was a ginkgo tree that was 457 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,840 growing in on our street. And I didn't know it at the 458 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,600 time, but it was like a very, we had, we had oaks in, in this 459 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,840 ginkgo tree and it was just very, it was a very cool and 460 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,800 very different tree in. But it, what I just thought of 461 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,760 right now with the oak trees and your, and your question was 462 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,040 that, I mean, in, in cities, we have seasons, you know, we don't 463 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,760 have seasons in, in San Diego too much, but we have fall in 464 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,640 that, you know, in the East Coast, there's fall and then 465 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640 leaves fall and there's piles of leaves or dried out leaves. 466 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,200 And so, you know, throw your puppy in a pile of leaves, you 467 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480 know, or like bring just, you have to be creative. 468 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,080 I feel like if you keep a childlike mentality and, and 469 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,560 create and be creative, like how can I bring the outside inside? 470 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,480 You know, there's always ways. I mean, people are creative, 471 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,200 they'll figure it out. Just don't be attached to not 472 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:19,880 making a mess. So am I correct in that you use 473 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,680 bioenergetic scans? I do not currently do that you. 474 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,840 Don't currently do that. OK, Then I'll need to cut that 475 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,640 out. OK. 476 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,080 So you have talked a little bit though. 477 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,840 You've talked about acupuncture, you talked about Chinese 478 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,600 medicine or you know, herbs, homeopathy. 479 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,840 These are all things that, well, homeopathy, I think it's 480 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,640 interesting because you know earlier said like you do the 481 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,680 emergency medicine and then we kind of follow up with a lot of 482 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,280 the more holistic modalities. I know a lot of people and you 483 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800 know, obviously most pet parents probably don't know this, but a 484 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,600 lot of pet parents who are really into homeopathy can use 485 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,200 that certain homeopathic remedies in emergency situations 486 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,360 to get them like to while you're in transport to like an 487 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,080 emergency agency room. Is that something that you also 488 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,400 kind of educate people on so that they maybe can have a 489 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,960 toolbox with them? Yeah, I mean, I'm in in certain 490 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400 lectures that I do and not every, you know, obviously you 491 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240 can see that there's a lot going on here, right? 492 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,200 And I could tell you that most people when you start 493 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,360 introducing, if they're not, if they're not seasoned or I did 494 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,960 into holistic healthcare, it's completely new to them. 495 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,360 And so it's kind of like putting your toe in the water because if 496 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280 you, if I start to tell them, oh, you could do this, this, 497 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,440 this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and then this, 498 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,400 they're completely overwhelmed and they don't know where to 499 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560 start. And so there's this kind of 500 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480 little nuance about like, so where do you, what do you, how 501 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120 do you start? Because I could tell people 502 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400 like, yeah, you could, you should go out and get this 503 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,120 homeopathic remedy. It's really good for seizures. 504 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360 And this is good for bug bites, you know, and, and you can have 505 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,160 that in your little toolbox and they'll be like, OK, thanks. 506 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,880 And that's the end of that, you know, it never happens, you 507 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160 know, so but I try, you know, I try. 508 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,040 It depends. Usually these those kind of 509 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,360 introductions to different modalities comes out in sort of 510 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800 organic conversations as we build a relationship. 511 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320 You know, I mean, unless they, unless they invite them to a 512 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,040 course that I'm taking, I'm giving and say, OK, learn 513 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440 everything you have to learn and do that because there's a lot of 514 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,960 holistic veterinarians that are doing that. 515 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,320 They offer courses, right, to try to get pet parents to have a 516 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560 more global thing. But and I mean, the first and 517 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,960 foremost, we all talk about diet because that seems to be the one 518 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,960 where everyone falls short on to begin with. 519 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,440 You know, it was that diet conversation and then the the 520 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,720 microbiome helping to reestablish the health of that, 521 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400 which which helps with the gut brain access and it helps with 522 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,760 anxiety. You know, can you kind of have 523 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,120 to do all of these things. So it's like, where do you 524 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,280 start? You know. 525 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,440 And and and you just start with. People are more comfortable 526 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,480 starting, which is usually the food. 527 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,120 Yeah. I mean, it's definitely the 528 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,880 thing that I think we feel like we have the most control over 529 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600 day-to-day. It's it's something that we can 530 00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,360 like, you know, it's very tactile. 531 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,400 It's very, it's something that we, I think kind of innately 532 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,040 just as like, you know, being human beings. 533 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,960 No, like we have this relation to other human beings, but also 534 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,159 animals in that like we're sharing. 535 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,120 Love. When we share food, yeah. 536 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,600 Or at least that's how it should be. 537 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,720 That's how it should be. I agree with that. 538 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200 I love, I, I love food. I love to cook food. 539 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640 I have a good relationship with food and, you know, I like 540 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,800 fresh, organic things and, and you know, that translates into 541 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,800 my family and my, my animals, You know, right? 542 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,000 In the veterinary world, that's not the norm, right? 543 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,920 Conversation with, with, with pet parents, right? 544 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,200 They're told to, to eat processed foods and prescription 545 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,040 processed foods, and they're also told not to eat any other 546 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,040 food than that by a trusted resource, which is their 547 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,400 veterinarian. So that's where the problem 548 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,960 starts, you know, because we need it's, that's not, that's 549 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,560 not a true narrative. So you have to sort of untie the 550 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200 knots, right? And because I, I have met people 551 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,720 that are so afraid, afraid of feeding real food to their 552 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,600 animals that they won't do it. They will watch their animals 553 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,920 starve. And I, I don't understand that, 554 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,640 you know, just, and, and I, and I blame, honestly, I blame the 555 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,960 vets. I blame the veterinarians for 556 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,400 put instilling that sense of fear in them, you know? 557 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,440 It is. I know I've said this so many 558 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,120 times. I have had on multiple occasions 559 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,440 that are either veterinarians or a tech, a vet tech that that's 560 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,880 the one that gets me. Like like I I can see clear as 561 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,520 day in my head a vet tech walking up to me at an emergency 562 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,760 hospital telling me if I didn't feed this prescription kennel to 563 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,760 my cat, I was going to kill my cat. 564 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,160 And like, that just breaks my heart because I know it's 565 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,160 happening to so many people and they're like, well, I don't want 566 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480 my cat to die or my dog to die, right? 567 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,200 Like, and I don't want to be responsible for them dying. 568 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,680 It's it breaks my heart so so much. 569 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,880 I don't know what to say. I mean, that's why I want to 570 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,040 empower people. So kind of circles back to the 571 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,440 energy thing, right? Because when you empower people 572 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,880 to get into their heart space, you have a deep connection with 573 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,320 your inner knowing and your intuition and you have this, 574 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,440 this level of trust that comes from your own inner source, 575 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,520 right? And so when that is established 576 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,640 inside of you, then you have this, you're empowered to be in 577 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,600 front of people like that, you know, and say, you know, that 578 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,840 doesn't sit right with me, you know, can you give me more 579 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,080 information about that? Or is there some research you 580 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160 can show me? Or, you know, you can either 581 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,680 call them out or make them prove what they're saying. 582 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,800 Or you could just say, OK, thank you for your information and 583 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,760 just walk away and just do something else. 584 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,360 You know, you have the, you have that choice to, to, to decide if 585 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,760 you want to engage in a conversation or you just want to 586 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,400 ignore what they said and just move on. 587 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,640 But you don't come from a place of like you're feeling uncertain 588 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,520 or attacked or fearful. You know, and that that goes 589 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,160 across the board for everything, not just food for every 590 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,720 conversation that you have. Because you know, there's that 591 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,920 ancient saying. The heart knows. 592 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920 The heart always knows. Except we've lost. 593 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,880 We've lost the way to our heart. They say that the the longest 594 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,800 Rd. is between your heart and your head. 595 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,840 Oh my gosh. Right. 596 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600 Yes. We've lost our way and, and when 597 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,560 we find that way back, everything becomes much more 598 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400 clearer and then simple. And you're not, you're not 599 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,120 afraid anymore, You know, with the sense of knowing there is No 600 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,840 Fear. And I say that because that 601 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,240 translates into everything like say, even in the ER as, as a 602 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,640 seasoned ER doctor, knowing what I know when something comes in, 603 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360 whether it's one case, 2 cases, 3 cases, 4 cases all at once. 604 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,920 I, I maintain this sense of calm usually, unless it's usually, I 605 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,840 mean, it's a lot going on, but usually because I have this like 606 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,240 the bird's eye view of the situation and I can triage it 607 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:31,360 and I can discern like who needs my attention 1st and, and know 608 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,800 what I need to do and how to implement what I, what I need, 609 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840 how to delegate that into the situation with the text that I 610 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,720 have. So there's a level of control 611 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,320 that comes from a place of knowing, right? 612 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,640 And I remember what I felt like when I was very new to the 613 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,560 situation and how I was like, Oh my God, what do I do? 614 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,240 You know, there was fear because I didn't know. 615 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,640 So when you know, that fear goes away because you're like, OK, I 616 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,320 got this. So. 617 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,280 And even if you don't know what to do, ultimately you know what 618 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,720 to do next. I had to write that down because 619 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080 that's just so powerful with a sense of knowing there is No 620 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,800 Fear. I love that so much. 621 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,880 So one other thing I'm curious about with kind of the whole 622 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,880 like energy part of this, I know blood work, for example, we're 623 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,840 just doing, you know, complete blood panel or whatever we're 624 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,360 doing with with our animals. It can take, it can take a while 625 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,040 for things to be breaking down in the body before we see that 626 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,160 in the blood work. Do you often get a sense of what 627 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,400 whatever you're doing, whatever type of energy work you're 628 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,480 doing, do you often come up with things that are like 629 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,880 contradictory two maybe blood panels or labs that you're like 630 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,680 or or does it just help you interpret them better? 631 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,400 Maybe? I'm curious how like you're 632 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,800 blending all of this. Well, I mean, lab work is a 633 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,560 piece of information, right? It's just part of one piece of 634 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,040 the puzzle. And it depends on the type of 635 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,120 lab work you're you're doing, right? 636 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,480 Sure. Different lab work. 637 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:21,040 So your basics, you know, CDC chemistry profile is a very 638 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,880 superficial, you know, kind of lab work. 639 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,880 It's not like your nutrient profiles or your mitochondrial 640 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,280 function, right? Or your your vitamin mineral 641 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320 toxin. It's not, it's not that, right? 642 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,840 Those have a little bit of a deeper essence. 643 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,200 You know, what's cellular level? This is more of an organ level 644 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,200 kind of thing. And so for instance, people say, 645 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,320 can you diagnose cancer on blood work? 646 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,080 And I was like, I'm like, yeah, you know, if your dog is really, 647 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,800 really sick and his blood work is completely normal, he has 648 00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,240 cancer, which is so interesting because, because I have seen 649 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,360 dogs whittled with masses inside their abdomens inside that, you 650 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,560 know, with their liver tumors and mesenteric tumors, whatever. 651 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520 It's like just cancer on the inside. 652 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,040 And their lab work is completely normal. 653 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920 And so it's a piece of a puzzle and, and everything that you, 654 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,480 every piece of information, you have to take it into context of 655 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,160 what's happening in the system. You know, so I don't panic when 656 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,840 I have a cat that comes in and the creatinine is 15, you know, 657 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,280 I mean, he's acting sick, but that doesn't mean it's a death 658 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,440 sentence for this cat. Because with proper care in the 659 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,920 ER, right, getting his, maybe getting him on some IV fluids. 660 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,640 And, you know, I like to use Chinese herbs for that to help 661 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,000 increase, you know, blood flow to the kidneys, you know, when 662 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,720 when the inflammation is gone. But in the acute phases of 663 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,920 kidney failure, it needs some, it needs fluids and it needs 664 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,120 support and maybe some antibiotics if you have an 665 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,880 infection and drugs to help you feel less nauseous because 666 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520 they're nauseous, right? And so you, you help that. 667 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,520 And then you see the creatinine levels come down. 668 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960 You know, one day they're 15, the next day they're 12, the 669 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,400 next day they're 8. And then maybe this cap 670 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,760 baseline's at 8. And that's his new norm. 671 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,400 But that's super high. I mean, a high upper level of 672 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,480 creatinine, maybe 1.9 is, is kind of acceptable. 673 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680 And then if you have a creatinine of eight, most 674 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,480 veterinarians might say, Oh my God, your cat has, you know, 675 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:40,480 horrible kidney disease and you should consider quality of life 676 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,560 and putting him to sleep. And then so I look at the cat, 677 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,840 I'm like, OK, well, what's he doing? 678 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,320 He's walking around, he's eating. 679 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,720 He's seems like he doesn't know he has a crack, you know, 8 no. 680 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,480 And so that's his new norm. So let's support the system 681 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,320 where they're at. And that's when you start doing 682 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,320 all the integrative things, you know, like the acupuncture and 683 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680 the Chinese herbs and the homeopathy and the massage 684 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,920 therapy and the food therapy, you know, things like that. 685 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,960 And the icing on that is the energetics where you have to 686 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:18,240 help the owners not be in a place of fear and panic, right? 687 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,880 And anticipation that their animals going to die at any 688 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,040 moment, because that always seems to be that next level. 689 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,800 That it is something that I I find that more difficult than 690 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040 anything. If I'm working with with a 691 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:40,040 client for their pet, trying to get their anxiety, I'm trying to 692 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:46,600 get them like as the pet parent to get them to, I mean for back 693 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,120 of a lack of a better word, like just to chill the fuck out, 694 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,960 Chill, chill out. You know, just like take a step 695 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,560 back and like watch your dog or your cat playing and enjoying 696 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,000 life and like, you know, leaning into that more. 697 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,920 That's what I find to be like the most difficult part. 698 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,960 Right. Well then that goes back to the 699 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,240 original conversation of our disconnect. 700 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,280 With. And the harmony in nature, 701 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,920 because if you have this connection between that and this 702 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200 understanding of the cycles of life and then how nature unfolds 703 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,960 itself, then the concept of life and death come into play. 704 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520 And then the concept of living comes into play, you know, and 705 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,760 how are you going to live between those two moments? 706 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,760 You know? And, you know, I think Albert 707 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600 Einstein said, you know, you could go through life is if 708 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,400 everything is a miracle or if nothing was a miracle, you know, 709 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520 and it's that it's just then you seem like you're more, you're 710 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440 OK. You know, when we're more 711 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,760 present in the moment and mindful of what's happening, we 712 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,160 become appreciative and, and have more gratitude for what we 713 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,560 have in the moment, right? It's always being present and in 714 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,200 the moment is the most helpful for any of that because in the 715 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560 moment, you have your cat that's in front of you. 716 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,560 He's purring, he's eating, he's loving on you, and that's it. 717 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,760 That's all that's happening. You know, he's not festering 718 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,760 about a creatinine of eight, you know, and he's not thinking 719 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,760 about the day you're not there with him. 720 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,720 And so you, you shouldn't be doing that either. 721 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,360 It doesn't benefit you. It doesn't benefit the cat. 722 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,720 You know why? Why keep thinking about the day 723 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,080 you're going to die and not spend the time thinking about 724 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,960 how you're living? So powerful so I feel like I 725 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,760 feel like I tell people all the time like my podcast is my 726 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,640 favorite thing that I do and for so many reasons because I get to 727 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,880 meet wonderful people like you for the fact that like I'm 728 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000 learning just like everybody else is learning. 729 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,120 That's listening to this, but also a lot of times I feel like 730 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,800 whatever messages are coming that day, whoever I am talking 731 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160 to that day, it's like I needed to hear. 732 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,760 I don't know who is out there is listening and who also feels 733 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,400 that way, but like I needed to hear that. 734 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,200 And I definitely feel like I needed to hear so much of what 735 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,360 you said today. And I know, I know that you have 736 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:23,800 a recurring kind of like a, a live podcasty type thing with a 737 00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,880 dear friend of both of ours, Pam Russell with perfectly holistic. 738 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880 So that's definitely somewhere where people can find you and 739 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,120 listen to a lot more of what you have to say. 740 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,720 But I heard you say something earlier about courses. 741 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,360 Yeah. So I am in the process of 742 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,120 developing courses because I think that they're a really good 743 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,400 way for people to get information. 744 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,880 And so it's not currently out yet, but it hopefully will be 745 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,320 soon. One of the courses, it's called 746 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,120 the Bio Epic protocol, which I really, I really like it. 747 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,000 It's, it's, it's going to be a wonderful course for a lot of 748 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600 people. And what it does, it unpacks all 749 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,240 the layers of healing through the, the four layers, which I 750 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:14,320 call bio Epic EPIC. So it's the bio, energetic, 751 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,560 biophysical, biointelligence and biochemical. 752 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,880 And so when we learn about all of these things with everything 753 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,920 is important in the picture, you know, you, you still, you still 754 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,640 need to eat, you still need to drink, you still need to, you 755 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,760 know, you need to detox, your body sweats, your body 756 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,360 eliminates. So we're human, we're 757 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,680 biological, ooey gooey systems in, but we're fueled by energy. 758 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,920 And when you, when you can tap into that energy on a, on a 759 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,800 daily basis, you can recharge your batteries and give your 760 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,440 body what it needs. I mean, I, I did a deep dive 761 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,200 into the mitochondria, the little powerhouse of our cells, 762 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,400 right? Without them, you're you, you 763 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,080 die, right? And they are health. 764 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,240 Mitochondrial health is always a big topic in regenerative 765 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,600 medicine and in just holistic healthcare to begin with, you 766 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160 know, support your mitochondria, right? 767 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,240 At all costs, support your mitochondria. 768 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,880 And OK, so how do you do that? The two simplest ways for you to 769 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,080 support your mitochondria is to give it oxygen and light, right? 770 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,800 Electrons and oxygen molecules. And so that means going out in 771 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,360 the sun and taking deep breaths. And that's kind of if you, if 772 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,080 you go out in the morning or find a a time where it's 773 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,560 beautifully sunny, usually dawn and dusk are these sweet spots 774 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,320 for meditations and mitochondrial health. 775 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,840 The body really resonates with those frequencies as they're 776 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,320 coming in and have this mindful intention to support your 777 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,360 mitochondria. When you're doing that, you're 778 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,000 going to start to feel that you are feeling better. 779 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,040 So little daily practices like that. 780 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,600 And because everything is like, it's all one thing in a circle 781 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,880 of life. And you know, I always ask 782 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,320 yourself if everything is a circle, where's the starting 783 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,240 point in a circle? And literally it's just pick a 784 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:20,760 point and go start there. You can start anywhere in a 785 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,840 circle. I love that so much because I 786 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,200 think that's one thing that like inevitably we always ask, 787 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,120 whoever's talking is always asking like where do we start? 788 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,680 And everybody has a different place, right? 789 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,760 So I love that explanation so much. 790 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,360 Like just pick up, just pick a place. 791 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,440 It does. It doesn't matter. 792 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,280 Just pick a place. I love that. 793 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840 Yeah, because it will lead you. I call you following the bread 794 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,360 crumbs. You know, it'll lead you one 795 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,600 place will lead you to another place, will lead you to another 796 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360 place, and then you'll go, Oh, I remember that I'm going to add 797 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,800 some, some greens to my food or oh, I remember that I'm going to 798 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,880 go out for a walk. And you know, it's, it's just 799 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640 that we all have a toolbox and then we don't always use all the 800 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,800 tools in our toolbox. Oh, for sure, you. 801 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,000 Know we just we, but we know they're there and I think 802 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,640 sometimes just knowing that they're there is enough. 803 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,080 Honestly, sometimes just knowing that it's right there, that the 804 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,320 possibility that it can, it can have an effect, which is an 805 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,120 interesting concept in and of itself. 806 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,920 You know, it's like the brain is it our bodies and our brains and 807 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,400 our, our neuroendocrine systems are so in tune with our thoughts 808 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,480 and our emotions that the body doesn't discern the difference 809 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,240 between an experience that you've had and thought that 810 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,560 you've had. So, and that's why Dreamtime is 811 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080 so powerful. That's why people have, will 812 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,800 have a dream and feel like they, they, you know, they, they died, 813 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,440 right? Or they have dreams and they 814 00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,840 feel amazing, you know, and it's like, wow, I feel like that just 815 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,960 happened. You know, I mean, I, I've had 816 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,040 dreams where I'm kissing some like amazing, beautiful human 817 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,280 being that I don't even know existed. 818 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,080 And then I and I and I wake and I wake up like, Oh my God, I'm 819 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,880 in love. Like who is this person? 820 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,840 Oh my goodness, I know. I feel like I could talk about 821 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,480 dreams forever too, because I have, I actually spent a really 822 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,840 long time, I don't know if I wasn't dreaming or if I just 823 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,800 didn't remember my dreams. That's hard, you know, a hard 824 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,920 discernment to make. But I've been very intentional 825 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,840 about trying to remember my dreams lately and have I've 826 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,360 definitely had like a lot of big life changes in the past year as 827 00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,920 well and have been doing a lot of shadow work. 828 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,120 And like I've definitely seen that come through in my dreams. 829 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,080 And that is it's powerful. It's very powerful. 830 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,040 Our dreams are a lot more powerful than we think, which 831 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,440 makes me wonder so much about our pets dreams. 832 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,600 But you know, I don't, I don't even know how people analyze all 833 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,360 of that. That's that's beyond my. 834 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,840 Yeah, well, you know, it's the dreams. 835 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,720 The the dreams are are your subconscious that are coming 836 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,280 through. But it's very interesting that 837 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040 and I've had conversations with Mike's subconscious before and 838 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,760 asked it like, why is it so encrypted? 839 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920 Yeah. Why, what, what, why can't you 840 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,880 just say what you want to say? Likewise have to be meshed in 841 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,760 these weird timelines and, and, and symbology, right? 842 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,040 And codes that are, you know, and you know, one of the answers 843 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,800 that I got was that your subconscious is always driving 844 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,040 you to creation and to be creative and to use your 845 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,960 imagination because it's, it's where when you take imagination 846 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,040 plus and creation is this ultimate place of well-being. 847 00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,960 And it's sort of it forces you to use your imagination. 848 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,920 You know, when you're, when you're, but when you're running 849 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,400 through a forest and you're being chased by a bear, you 850 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,920 know, like, what does that mean? Like who's the bear? 851 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,960 You know, the bear represents, you know, my mother or my father 852 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,000 or some authority figure that I'm running away from, like, 853 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,480 like what you know. And so there's all these when I, 854 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,160 you know, when I started doing because I dreamt so much, I did 855 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680 a lot of dream research and dream interpretations. 856 00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,840 And there are these universal things that sort of have a 857 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,320 theme, you know, what it means. And then there's your 858 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,440 interpretation of what it means for you, you know, and everybody 859 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,600 knows what their dreams mean for them. 860 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,840 And you just need a little bit of the questions, you know, 861 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,000 like, and I'll and I'll work with people to help interpret 862 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,440 their dreams and they'll tell me. 863 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,040 And I was like, OK, well, what did that mean for you? 864 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,360 You know, what was the significance for that? 865 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,600 And as soon as you start asking people these questions, they 866 00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,080 know, you know that all. And you get, and then you get 867 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:08,720 these people like, Oh my God, I just realized that that was, you 868 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:13,000 know, what I needed to do. Like, and then they just go out 869 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,120 and they change their lives or quit their jobs or I don't know. 870 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400 Yeah, yeah, we know. We know. 871 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,080 We know so much. We really, really do. 872 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,080 And it's, it's not even, it's not in here. 873 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,080 It's out here. The knowing is out here in this 874 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,960 field of information, you know, and that gets you into the 875 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,520 quantum realm and talks and talking about, you know, quantum 876 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,000 realities and the matrix, you know, of, of where your mind is 877 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,120 and where thoughts come from. And, you know, the, the 878 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,120 collective consciousness, you know, that's a whole other kind 879 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,920 of beautiful conversation to have. 880 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,880 And, and it's, it's when you sort of take all of that and you 881 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,960 put it into this one moment, you realize that ultimately you're 882 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,400 all, you're all OK. Like it's it's all OK, just. 883 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,320 After talking with Doctor Barry Sands, we well, after recording, 884 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,400 we talked a little bit more about her work. 885 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,960 She's such an incredible human being. 886 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,320 But she wanted me to make sure that, you know, there is a free 887 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,400 survey on her website, doctorbarrysands.com. 888 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:31,600 That's DRBARRIESANDS com. You can also find that in the 889 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,840 show notes if you just want a direct link to it. 890 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,840 And you can get a free copy of the ten ways to create optimum 891 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,240 Wellness for you and your pet. There is a quick survey for you 892 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:46,200 to take and I know she would love for you take the survey 893 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,160 because she is compiling a data set. 894 00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,600 But I just absolutely love how and you'll see on the website 895 00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:01,880 she has something that she calls alumina Sciencia, which is 896 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,360 combining the OR bridging the gap. 897 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,400 Excuse me, I want to get the wording right. 898 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,600 Bridging the gap between science and spirit or mysticism and 899 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,600 building, building a bridge to higher consciousness that allows 900 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,480 us to experience with elegance and divinity, the essence of 901 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,200 being in the moment and knowing that everything just is. 902 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,600 So go to Doctor Berry sands.com. That's Dr. Berry sands.com and 903 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,160 Scroll down just a little bit. On the homepage there is a 904 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,000 section that says get a free copy of the ten ways to create 905 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,760 optimum Wellness for you and your pet. 906 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,600 And then it says click here to take the survey. 907 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,080 The survey is about the human animal bond. 908 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,040 It doesn't take very long to take the survey and I know 909 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,200 Doctor Barry would love for you to do that. 910 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,280 Go ahead and and take that survey, get your free download 911 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:08,600 and stay on top of what Doctor Barry is doing because honestly, 912 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,600 she is an incredible human being. 913 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,160 She's. So inspiring. 914 00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,880 I always love seeing her and talking to her, and I'm just 915 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,840 really glad that she came on to talk to me and all of you. 916 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,640 All right pet parents, you already know that I talk all the 917 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,680 time about needing to stop as much as we possibly can. 918 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,960 Feeding our fur babies garbage, for lack of a better word. 919 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,440 That's what we talk about here a lot. 920 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,960 And again, doing the best we can. 921 00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,560 That is the message above any and everything else. 922 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,440 The more we learn, the more we know we need to make some 923 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,000 changes.