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And. 
Welcome to the weekly Pet 

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roundup. 
Hi, guys. 

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Hi, we are talking about. 
I know I feel like it's been 

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forever. 
It's only been a week, but I 

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feel like it's been forever. 
Yeah, well we got to take 

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advantage now before the summer 
gets crazy. 

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So we have a great topic today, 
mostly dog related. 

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I'm sure a lot of the advice we 
will give is definitely going to

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apply to cats and probably your 
rabbit and your what else, your 

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bird acting out and stuff. 
But welcome to the weekly pet 

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roundup. 
I'm Isabel Alvarez Arana of 

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Covered in Pet Hair. 
And joining me today is Jessica 

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Fisher of the Pet Parenting 
Reset. 

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Yes, ma'am. 
So we are talking about dog 

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behavior problems and so Texas 
A&M. 

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And we have a barking dog in the
background for fact. 

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For fact, totally planned Texas 
A&M posted More than 99% of US 

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dogs have behavior problems, 
Texas A&M researcher finds. 

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This was also posted like a full
length article in the Journal of

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Veterinary Behavior in the 
December, November, December 

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2024 issue, and that the study 
posted in the journal is called 

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The Prevalence of Behavior 
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States, posted by Bonnie Beaver.
I didn't make up that name. 

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And she is obviously a 
researcher with Texas A&M and 

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she obviously knows what she's 
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articles. 
So, yeah, this is, to me, really

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interesting. 
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the end of last week's episode. 
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43,000 dogs enrolled in the dog 
aging project, which is nothing.

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I mean, we're fairly familiar. 
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with the dog aging project, 
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information that Ronnie Habib 
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or is also pulled from the dog. 
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biggest, like most expansive 
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ever on dogs worldwide, I think.
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And it's it's, I believe it is 
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from the United States for this 
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And you can actually go to 
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to learn more about the dog 
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You can donate to it. 
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potentially. 
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all of that works, but it says 
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a healthy lifespan. 
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Rodney talk about all the time, 
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quality of life. 
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behavior. 
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this research that I found to be
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I'm going to save it for later 
on in our talk. 

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But I mean, as a professional 
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a professional pet sitter for so
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talked about behavioral, 
behavioral issues all the time. 

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It's, it's something that like 
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out, like regardless of the 
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number of dogs, regardless of 
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if there's kids in the homes, 
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what they're eating with their 
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matter. 
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behavior problems. 
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And actually I will say that my 
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educated, very responsible. 
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possibly could for their dogs. 
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where they could afford dog 
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families with disposable income,
dual income families who really 

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could do anything they really 
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dogs. 
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behavior issues. 
So it is definitely something 

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that you can't really throw 
money at. 

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That's the first thing I will 
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Behavior issues are not going to
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They are not always, you can't 
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going to happen. 
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breeder, a rescue, you can't. 
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pet no matter how you acquire 
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I know that some people like to 
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the perfect dog from the perfect
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dog as far as behavior and that 
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I mean, nature versus nurture as
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testing to support the lineages 
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There's no way to know what 
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Genetics is is it does its own 
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but you may not know what the 
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control the history of 
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And you can't also control that 
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lineage and no separation 
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for whatever reason. 
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guarantees. 
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about when we talk about all 
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just dogs. 
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have to get a specific dog, a 
specific breed, a specific long 

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hair versus short hair versus 
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is, is blowing smoke up your 
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preventing bad behaviors. 
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anxiety can be made worse. 
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predisposed to separation 
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And not a lot of people really 
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diligence. 
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sign here and there during the 
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Maybe you didn't ask about that 
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showing these symptoms, they're 
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you, and now you have to 
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So feeling like you can throw a 
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throw money at it, that's not 
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Really, when it comes to these 
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usually starts with you as the 
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Well, and you have no way of 
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knowing how any individual dog 
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stressor that comes about in 
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We do know that the gut 
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the, the gut brain axis is real.
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can determine how an animal 
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stressors to anything going on 
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So just like a, a dog that was 
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behaved at a breeder's home, 
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With when they were with their 
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their mother, and then they're 
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knew. 
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real or something. 
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just kidnapped these animals 
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ever known. 
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family now, all right? 
We're your family now and pee 

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outside, don't go. 
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You're doing it. 
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all the time too, like all the 
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People, people who have like an 
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dog. 
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breed of dog it is. 
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in their belief that you have to
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everybody ever has with a dog. 
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Just like you said, it is 
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being bright. 
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like you're not doing your due 
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from like a backyard breeder or 
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out there and you're getting 
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You still like, you have no way 
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that dog isn't going to react to
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stressors in their life versus a
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Like some of those dogs have 
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It's not like it's not 100% 
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There's a lot of, you know, 
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health and behavior. 
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humans, you know, you can have a
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you know, they do twin studies 
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up exactly the same. 
Their their DNA is identical and

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yet they have two very different
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It's the same with dogs. 
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experience as a pet sitter, I 
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had a yellow lab, like the 
sweetest yellow lab who like 

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lived to 16. 
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I don't believe that the breeder
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couldn't go back to that 
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She found a great breeder, blah,
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The dogs could not have been any
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different, like they were 
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because she was expecting to get
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people are like my my soul dog 
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next dog is not the same 
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from the same breeder in lineage
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who you know, changed your life.
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Like it's hard to to recognize 
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that you had probably some 
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made an impression. 
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to duplicate that, not with 
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when you think about how things 
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let's say in the case of my 
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second dog. 
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environment has changed, 
stressors in the environment has

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changed, have changed. 
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Her energy has changed, her 
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changed. 
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her 16 years into the future, 
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get that same result, right? 
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dog has changed. 
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the recognition that those first
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so important for socialization. 
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and they think like doggy play 
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And that is not at all. 
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not you're dog is predisposed to
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hurting because of their genetic
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stimuli, whether it's noise, 
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humans, other pets like cats. 
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beginning of their life or not, 
whether you travel with them 

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during that time, taking them to
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depending on who you ask, 
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different things. 
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initial week like let's say 1215
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they're going to be a lot more 
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potentially the first five years
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And so everything that we do to 
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issues that we're going to talk 
about is really only in our 

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control if we have the dog from 
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perfectly. 
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socializing a dog just at the 
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simulate them. 
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them with a noise like the trash
truck comes by and that dog will

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You might get a dog who's two 
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they're happy, go lucky and then
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now they're scared of whatever 
it is that, you know, they 

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relate of that traumatic 
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behavior issues. 
We can set them up for success 

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with socialization during those 
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you need to be aware of those 
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Mike Kira, who's 14, I'm not 
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I'm going to manage now, right? 
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make it so that she's not more 
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their developmental periods, 
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have no control over, and all 
the unknowns, right? 

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We don't know before we get them
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experience was like, especially 
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diligence and you don't know 
what questions to ask. 

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You don't know how they were. 
Well do you don't know what they

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training from day one, right? 
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you know, fiddling with their 
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purpose initially still in the 
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they're completely, completely 
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And now that dog at 8 weeks 
hasn't done anything, hasn't 

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seen anything but their, you 
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the, the litter mates. 
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they even spent time with their 
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happen before we get our dogs. 
We do have control based on, you

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know, their age, their 
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their temperament and our time 
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Because a lot of, like I said, 
there's no, there's no throwing 

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money at this. 
There's no magic pill. 

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Behavior issues are solved with 
consistency and compassion and 

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understanding and a heck of a 
whole lot of patience. 

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My gosh, yes. 
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study that was posted in the the
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they said they also reference a 
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232 dogs entering a veterinary 
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surgical services not related to
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And it was estimated that 92% of
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behavioral problem as well. 
Also, an Iranian study of 401 

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dogs showed 86% showed at least 
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Danish survey, Danish survey of 

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502 dog owners reported 34% of 
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behavioral problem. 
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worldwide like Spanish was 
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Even the Iranian was similar, 
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Is really low. 
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recognize that some people and 
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things differently. 
So like we might be like, we're 

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so busy and we're so like easily
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are out of our control that 
maybe we think that 99% of our 

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dogs have behavior issues where 
a Spaniard might look at that or

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a Dane might look at that and be
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and the standards. 
So, you know, separation anxiety

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is something that is a spectrum,
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So somebody who says, yes, for 
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Maybe a Spaniard says, Oh yeah, 
they whined when I got get home,

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but that's not separation 
anxiety, right? 

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result, it is 99% of dogs in the
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that are potentially problematic
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aggression 55.6%, separation 
anxiety, and separation and 

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attachment behaviors. 
They don't use the word anxiety,

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separation and attachment 
behaviors 85.9% and fear and 

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anxiety behaviors 49.9%. 
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separation and attachment 
behaviors from fear and anxiety 

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behaviors, which often are roped
in together. 

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Like I know Kira has both. 
Kira has separation anxiety 

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because when we get home, she's 
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Even if I just went down the 
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excited that we're home. 
That's a key sign that you know,

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they were anxious while you were
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They're not exactly happy to see
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It's often times that's like, Oh
my God, you're back. 

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What was I going to do without 
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And then she has also fear and 
anxiety behaviors and that she's

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scared of noise. 
She's noise phobic. 

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She's scared of any kind of like
when we talk loud, she gets 

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very, very scared. 
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Any changes in barometric 
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shakes. 
So she is obviously she displays

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both of those things. 
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aggression, but I found the 
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and that is more than half of 
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And I will say that I from the 
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would say that that doesn't seem
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And maybe that's because they 
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maybe do a lot of like the early
socialization and we lived in an

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urban environment. 
So the dogs were inevitably, you

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know, socialize to noises and to
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And a lot of people lived in 
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to others. 
So maybe just automatically they

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just got used to those things. 
But it did seem high 4555.6% for

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aggression. 
Well, and yeah, and that sample 

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that you're pulling from, these 
are people who are aware enough 

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as you, as you just stated, they
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their pet needs socialization 
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say, if they work long hours. 
And that is not the case for the

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majority of pets in the United 
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world. 
Yeah, but go and I and I think 

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we should touch on the 
aggression a little bit more and

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the separation and the anxiety. 
But I did want to kind of go 

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back to what you were saying 
about like, how do we know, like

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how these people are actually, I
feel so washed out today. 

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I'm just like, looking at myself
going, what is wrong anyway? 

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Like, we don't know, like how 
people are really responding to 

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these questionnaires. 
And I think they tried to touch 

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on that as much as possible by 
giving people time. 

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They talked about how like, if 
you're just talking to like your

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veterinarian is asking you 
questions, which is something I 

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want to talk about a little bit 
later on the whole veterinarian 

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part of this, because that's a 
whole other topic in my opinion.

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Like you're just answering 
questions, spitballing off the 

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top of your head. 
You're probably not going to 

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come up with a lot of the 
answers that are relevant to a 

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study like this. 
But what they're saying is that 

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they gave people a questionnaire
and they gave them time to think

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about it. 
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up because it says, as an 
example, I once saw a miniature 

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poodle that came in for a 
problem with barking. 

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This is a quote from a 
veterinarian. 

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I'm sorry, the the lady who, who
did the research in the 

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patient's history, I found out 
that the dog would routinely 

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urinate on a Persian rug, but 
that behavior didn't bother the 

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owner as much as the barking. 
So she was actually like going 

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through the the researcher was 
going through veterinary records

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to say, like, does this match up
with the reports that that the 

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the pet parents are giving to us
because they're finding other 

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things? 
Because obviously you know, 

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what's the problem to one 
person, it may not be a problem 

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to another person for it. 
Example, my dog is on my couch 

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right now and she sleeps in bed 
with me. 

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Whereas another person may be 
like, that is absolutely 

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asinine. 
Dogs do not belong in the bed 

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sleeping with you. 
You know what I mean? 

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So like. 
My dogs don't get on the couch 

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or sleep in the bed like it's. 
Yeah, it's just something I 

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don't enjoy. 
My cat does whatever he wants. 

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Yeah, that's all. 
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So Dulce, Dulce's legacy says 
are we allowed to call it 

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neurotic? 
Yes. 

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So anxiety. 
Yeah. 

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I think neurosis is probably 
something we are pets exhibit. 

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Absolutely. 
I know I've talked. 

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I've referred to Kira, my 
apologies, Kira as neurotic. 

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Nucky being a Singleton, he's 
high anxiety. 

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Ellen is just off the charts 
because someone breathes. 

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Yeah. 
And those we, you know, every 

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dog has its own, its own kind of
triggers and every pet parent 

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has different levels of being 
able to recognize that. 

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So like Dolce's legacy, Bronwyn,
obviously highly educated in pet

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dog behavior, dog body language,
whatever. 

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A general pet parent who maybe 
has their first dog is not going

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to know that just people 
breathing sets their dog off. 

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But the idea is that when this 
research is done, obviously they

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guide them as best they can. 
And we there's surveys, right? 

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So like, it's not really like 
being observed by the 

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researchers. 
So it's hard to really say like,

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yeah, I mean, I mean, I've even 
seen it with my pets where 

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they're like, people are like, 
oh, you know, he's fine. 

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He's friendly. 
And I'm like, he'll bite you. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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Just because you've seen it for 
30 minutes doesn't mean that he 

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is friendly. 
He hasn't been you this 30 

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minutes, but give him, you know,
on another day he might. 

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So, yeah, it's it's it's 
something that we can take from 

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the survey what we take. 
But obviously in every one of 

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these surveys that they do, they
want to make sure they get the 

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most accurate answers in order 
for it to be like, why do it if 

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you're going to get crappy 
answers, right. 

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And what they they did describe,
like the behaviors and 

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aggression, for example, they 
asked about growling, snapping 

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and biting. 
The cause was not known why, but

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at least they could recognize. 
Like yes, my dog has displayed 

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that behavior. 
Well, and to go back to what you

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we were talking about earlier in
genetics it this study does show

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that it says the the prevalence 
of breed related behaviors and 

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the prevalence of problems are 
not globally consistent. 

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So in a pretty large sample size
over 47,000 dogs, they're saying

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there is no consistency with 
behavior problems and breed. 

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So that whole like get this 
breed a dog and they're perfect.

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It's just out the window. 
No, I remember that I, I 

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interviewed Melena De Martini, 
the the foremost expert on, on 

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dogs, separation anxiety in dogs
in like 2021 or 2022. 

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And then I had her back on the 
show last year and the, the 

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findings had changed. 
Like at first she was like maybe

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there's a genetic link. 
And then when she spoke to me 

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last year, she was like, yeah, 
we're not that convinced anymore

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just because there isn't enough 
research. 

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And when there is research, it's
a small sample. 

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So it's like hard to well, and I
mean, nobody really wants to 

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think about how hard it would be
to like really do a test 

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separation anxiety research on 
every single breed out there and

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in every single situation, like 
it'd be really hard to do. 

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So we kind of just take what we 
can based on, we don't have all 

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the answers, but this is kind of
that's why we have things like 

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the recommendations where 
socialization should start early

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and you know, aggression is 
going to and we have we talked 

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about dog bites last week. 
That's why we have the scale so 

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that you know how serious this 
is. 

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So you can address it because if
we rely solely on research, I 

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just don't know when we'll when 
we'll get all that done and 

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who's going to pay. 
For it. 

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And Speaking of, so we talked 
about dog bites last week and 

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you sent me, I don't remember 
how many states it was. 

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It was like a good handful of 
states have the like first bite 

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rule. 
Yes, the first bite rule, so 

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this we didn't discuss last 
week, but the first bite rule is

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basically the dog cannot like be
euthanized or held severely 

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responsible for the first bite 
that causes like that breaks 

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skin I think is what it is. 
So that is something that we 

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didn't discuss. 
But I mean, I guess that many 

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dogs are biting, right? 
That we needed to legally state 

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that like the first bite, we'll 
let it go because dogs are dogs 

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and dogs can bite and we know 
that. 

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But after that, you know. 
Yeah, you. 

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Know your dogs can get in 
trouble, so you better do 

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something about it. 
And that brings up a really, 

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really, really important part of
this conversation is that dogs 

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are dogs and that too many of 
us, in my opinion, and I know I 

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don't know if he's still here, 
but one of Brian, I'm going to 

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say his name wrong. 
I'm going to say his last name 

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wrong. 
It's like ban banned fast or 

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something like that. 
Anyway, anyway, he's very, very 

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00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,680
knowledgeable, very educated 
person who spends a lot of time 

451
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800
helping educate people on social
media. 

452
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,160
So props to him for everything 
he does. 

453
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Seriously. 
Like really a really great 

454
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
person. 
And he was kind of chiming in on

455
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,960
the fact that so many of us are 
treating or anthropomorphizing 

456
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,120
our animals and it is causing 
serious problems for them where 

457
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,920
they wind up with these serious 
issues and then they wind up on,

458
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
you know, really serious 
medications because of things 

459
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,440
that we've ultimately probably 
caused in their lives and. 

460
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Perpetual. 
Or yeah, or made worse because 

461
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,040
we never know what what causes 
what starts something like 

462
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920
separation anxiety, right? 
Like that's hard, especially 

463
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,360
when we don't know a dog's 
history. 

464
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,640
It's like hard to know. 
We know. 

465
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080
How to if we wanted to, if we 
wanted to 'cause if we wanted 

466
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,240
to. 
You want to cause sure 

467
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
separation anxiety, you leave 
your dog created for way too 

468
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,840
long, leave them alone for way 
too long. 

469
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600
You're going to cause separation
anxiety. 

470
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600
And it doesn't take more than 
maybe 1 bad experience for them 

471
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
to be like, Oh no, it's going to
happen again. 

472
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120
I'm created, I can't pee, 
nobody's here, I'm going to die.

473
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120
So we know how to give it to 
them, but we definitely don't 

474
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,480
know how subtle these things can
be. 

475
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,480
We don't know how long into that
experience they developed 

476
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,760
separation anxiety. 
So yeah, we don't really know, 

477
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400
but. 
And, and it's one of the things 

478
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,800
that like we talk about so much,
I know me for sure, I talk about

479
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,280
food and feeding them like the 
species they are so much. 

480
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,560
And I don't talk enough about 
treating them like the species 

481
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,000
they are like, you know, making 
sure they're getting enough 

482
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,160
enrichment and outdoor time, 
making sure that they are being 

483
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,600
like, yes, they live in our 
homes with us, but they are, we 

484
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:59,200
are asking them often demanding 
of them that they act in ways 

485
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,720
that we want them to act living 
in our home. 

486
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
And they have no idea how to do 
that. 

487
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Like we're not giving them the 
road map for how to live in a 

488
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
home with people. 
We're just saying you live here 

489
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
now and you should know how to 
do all this. 

490
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240
And they don't. 
They're, they're a totally 

491
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
different species. 
They are not adapt to live the 

492
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920
way we live. 
They don't want to be trapped 

493
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,440
inside with, you know, air that 
isn't circulating with, with 

494
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120
these chemicals that you're 
putting on the floor to clean, 

495
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,560
to clean your home, that the the
off gassing from couches and 

496
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,120
rugs and carpet. 
Like these are things that they 

497
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
would never choose for 
themselves. 

498
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,280
And yet we're at and, and Can 
you imagine, like I recently 

499
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,920
went somewhere and the like, it 
was, it was pretty normal. 

500
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Like the home was pretty normal.
I think an average American home

501
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
that they use for breeze and 
they have candles burning in the

502
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,200
house. 
And it wasn't like overly crazy.

503
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120
It wasn't like walking into a 
bath and body works. 

504
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,920
But like 2 days in and I feel 
like I'm getting sick. 

505
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Can you imagine what this tiny 
little 9 pound, 10 LB creature 

506
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,440
may feel like when they are put 
in that same environment? 

507
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520
And it's something we don't 
often think of that like maybe 

508
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320
they are totally fine, maybe 
they actually don't have any 

509
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,560
behavioral problems, but they 
feel like shit, you know what I 

510
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840
mean? 
Well, I mean, we do a lot of 

511
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,960
that. 
We do a lot of that. 

512
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Think about just the aggression,
like putting a dog in an 

513
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,240
elevator with other dogs. 
Like, have we ever thought about

514
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,560
how uncomfortable that might be 
for them coming face to face 

515
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200
with an unfamiliar dog in their 
territory? 

516
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Because if they're going up and 
down that elevator every day, 

517
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360
they're going to, you know, 
expect that that's their 

518
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
territory. 
And unless they've been properly

519
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
introduced to other dogs, then 
they've smelled them before. 

520
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360
This might proceed be perceived 
as a threat. 

521
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
And then now we are calling them
aggressive because they lunged 

522
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320
at that dog who, like looked at 
them funny. 

523
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
They were on edge because 
they're on an elevator, which is

524
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,200
already an unnatural place for a
dog to be, especially if they 

525
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
weren't, you know, socialized to
it early in life. 

526
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,320
And now we're expecting them to 
also be like, yo, what's up? 

527
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Like they weren't given that 
like the manners course of you 

528
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,960
go into an elevator, you don't 
speak, you nod your head, you 

529
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
put your button. 
They didn't got to get that 

530
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
training. 
And like a lot of urban 

531
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,400
environments, you see that with 
like, you know, all these dogs 

532
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,040
together crossing each other on 
the sidewalk and like there's, 

533
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,760
you know, the dogs that were 
born and raised into that 

534
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,040
situation may be super cool with
it. 

535
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
You see that a lot in Europe 
where most people live in urban 

536
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
environments. 
So the dogs are used to, you 

537
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
know, being up and down stairs 
and sidewalks together. 

538
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840
But you bring a dog from like, 
West Virginia, which is 

539
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
something that we did a lot in 
Northern Virginia, bring a dog 

540
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,040
from West Virginia was found, 
you know, in on the road 

541
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,440
somewhere rural, and you're 
bringing them to an urban 

542
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,560
environment and expecting them 
to just adapt. 

543
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Yeah. 
That's not going to happen. 

544
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,560
You're not setting them up for 
success. 

545
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,360
And obviously that's where the 
adopters are. 

546
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
So we need to obviously bring 
them there. 

547
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680
But how are we setting them up 
for success if we're just 

548
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,000
throwing them to the wolves and 
we're unprepared? 

549
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Like the pet parent who's 
adopting them is not prepared 

550
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,480
for how to properly introduce 
these experiences. 

551
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Yeah, it is. 
It's it's, it's so much more 

552
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,040
than I think most people think 
about. 

553
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:41,400
And also as an animal ages, just
like as a human ages, we are 

554
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,880
less willing to deal with 
bullshit. 

555
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,960
We just and we have to 
understand that our pets are the

556
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,760
same way. 
We talk about, I talk about this

557
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
a lot with cats. 
I talk about it less with dogs, 

558
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,360
but the same thing is true. 
Like they may be, they may act 

559
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,280
as if totally as everything is 
totally fine for most of their 

560
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,040
lives. 
And then as they get older, 

561
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,520
they're just less willing to 
deal with stuff that makes them 

562
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,080
uncomfortable. 
And then you see the snapping 

563
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,120
and the, you know, parking their
floods on the ground, refusing 

564
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960
to move because they're just 
done with it. 

565
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,159
Like these things we, we, we 
call behavior problems, but 

566
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,239
they're really not. 
They are just dogs saying I'm 

567
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,880
sick of this. 
I'm a dog. 

568
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,679
I'm not a human. 
You have not set me up for 

569
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,320
success. 
You have not given me the tools 

570
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
that I need to be able to 
navigate this world that you 

571
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,639
live in, in a, in the way that 
you want me to. 

572
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,199
And I'm just done. 
I'm just done with this. 

573
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,320
Fight, flight or freeze, they're
going to choose one of those 

574
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,239
things because they are often in
survival mode. 

575
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
We've introduced them to things 
and places they don't 

576
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,880
understand. 
They have no idea what the 

577
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,320
appeal is of going to a resort 
hotel for a week and like 

578
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,360
exploring there. 
Most of them are like, I don't 

579
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,960
get it. 
The one of the quotes that I 

580
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,520
really like from the article 
from that we're looking at is 

581
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,120
animals think, but they probably
probably don't think like we do.

582
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,040
So what we see is this really 
great opportunity to do spring. 

583
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720
I'm using spring break as an 
example. 

584
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:23,240
We took Kira, who was our only 
dog at the time, and the cat Van

585
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,840
Gogh to to Phoenix and with the 
kids. 

586
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
And obviously we drove there and
the the cat's like in his 

587
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,960
carrier, like what are we doing?
Right? 

588
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Like why are we still in? 
Why am I still in this carrier? 

589
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160
And we get there to this great 
resort. 

590
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,120
And now it's probably a pet 
friendly hotel room. 

591
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,120
So it smells like other pets and
they're both coming in like what

592
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,520
is this place? 
And now we have to like, you 

593
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,120
know, figure out where to put 
their litter box and their water

594
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,640
bowls. 
And they're this, then they're 

595
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,160
that. 
And they're like, what are we 

596
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,920
doing? 
And for us, it's like vacay. 

597
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360
So for from our perspectives, 
it's so different. 

598
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Just like I'm going down to the 
mailbox for 10 minutes and I 

599
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600
stop and I say hi to my friends 
down the street. 

600
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Kira's in here being like, she's
gone forever. 

601
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,960
What if she never comes back? 
And it's the same situation, 

602
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
just seen so differently. 
And then what we see is these 

603
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,720
behaviors that are usually 
caused by something they can't 

604
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,840
control, right? 
Like the anxiety leads to 

605
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,440
chewing, destructive scratching,
either from a dog or a cat. 

606
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,720
You're talking about like, you 
know, urinating inside. 

607
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560
A lot of dogs self soothe by 
drinking too much water and then

608
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,000
they'll need to go quicker than 
you thought. 

609
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520
So you're not home yet and 
they're urinating on your floor.

610
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,160
They literally have like their 
bowels and their, their bladder 

611
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,320
can't be controlled because of 
the anxiety they feel, right? 

612
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,880
Like they become incontinent 
from the fear, the panic that 

613
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
they're experiencing. 
And we're mad at them for the 

614
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,080
urination or defecation in our 
house. 

615
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,840
And really they're just like, I 
could not control that. 

616
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Like, I know I'm supposed to go 
outside. 

617
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Like I would have done that if I
had been given the opportunity. 

618
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,840
But you were gone for the whole 
day and you were here all 

619
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,280
weekend. 
So I have to readjust every 

620
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Monday to you leaving, right? 
There's always the people who 

621
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,680
say my dog hates when I leave 
and like they pee when I'm gone.

622
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680
And it's like, but do they hate 
when you leave because they're 

623
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,240
like mad that you left or do 
they just not understand that 

624
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,120
you're coming back? 
Did you not did they have a bad 

625
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,360
experience that makes them fear 
that you're not coming back? 

626
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,480
Did they, you know, did they 
have an uncomfortable experience

627
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
in their crate and now you're 
crating them while you're gone? 

628
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,600
Do they have a history of having
been left alone in a previous 

629
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,560
life, a previous home, right, 
like where you adopted them 

630
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,880
later in life? 
So all these things, it's not 

631
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,400
your dog's not spiting you. 
Yeah, well, and it's like, so my

632
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,760
dog Kim, she had separation 
anxiety when we adopted her. 

633
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520
I don't know what happened to 
her in her first 2 1/2 years of 

634
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,240
life. 
I know that she was in a foster 

635
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,920
home with way too many dogs in 
the rescue. 

636
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
And I know that I worked with 
her a lot. 

637
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,920
She did get better. 
Never. 

638
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,720
It never went away. 
Like I don't, I don't know a dog

639
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,920
that it has gone away. 
And I mean, I know I followed 

640
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,440
Milena De Martini's book like I 
did everything. 

641
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,720
It was my introduction into dog 
training was her book on 

642
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,840
separation anxiety. 
And I did everything and it got 

643
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,960
better. 
And then when with my life 

644
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,240
situation and everything that 
has happened this year, she has 

645
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,760
just spiraled. 
It has gotten so much worse. 

646
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,960
And I don't blame her for that. 
Her life, I mean our life has 

647
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,960
been turned upside down this 
year and I can't blame her for 

648
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,320
that. 
But I can like people do. 

649
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Yeah, life changes. 
Life changes. 

650
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,400
A move, a move for for humans, a
move is just as traumatic as a 

651
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280
death. 
A move like just like a physical

652
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,600
move from one house to another. 
Granted, I feel like the 

653
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,800
military, I feel like if you're 
moving every two to three years,

654
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,320
you probably get used to it on 
some level, even though I'm not 

655
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,400
discrediting how stressful that 
is. 

656
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,000
But like, it's not like you have
a death every three years now 

657
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600
that you've been doing it for 20
years. 

658
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,640
But for those people who say 
like they have lived in one home

659
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,720
for, you know, however long and 
now you're moving and it's just 

660
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,040
as disruptive to like the 
central nervous system as a loss

661
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,320
or a huge like trauma because 
it's so, so much, it's so much 

662
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
to handle so many things to 
coordinate. 

663
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,080
It's just the physical, mental, 
spiritual changes that are 

664
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,080
happening. 
And so are and that's us 

665
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,320
choosing it. 
That's us calling the movers. 

666
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,640
So think about when it's 
completely out of the pets 

667
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,960
control. 
Right, they have no idea, they 

668
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,080
just know your anxiety. 
Yeah, like, this was done to me.

669
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,560
One day. 
I'm in this house that I've been

670
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,360
in for five years, and then now 
I'm in this other house. 

671
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,920
It smells different. 
It looks different. 

672
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,880
It feels different. 
When we moved from Louisiana to 

673
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,280
El Paso, the whole the climate, 
the landscape was completely 

674
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,440
different. 
Like, until we got to our house,

675
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480
there was no grass anywhere. 
Yeah. 

676
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:33,000
So Kira's now learning how to 
pee on rocks and gravel, which 

677
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160
she had never done because we 
were in Louisiana or Northern 

678
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Virginia where grass was 
everywhere, right. 

679
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,400
So all of these things that were
just like, Nah, she didn't want 

680
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,600
to walk on the rocks at first. 
She was like, that hurts my 

681
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,560
feet. 
I don't like that. 

682
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
And so it was like she didn't 
pee for like 8 hours. 

683
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640
We would get her out every. 
And then she finally got used to

684
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,160
it. 
But it was those things that 

685
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,400
were, yeah, like if she had peed
in the hotel room, would I have 

686
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
gotten mad at her? 
No, because I was. 

687
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,800
I'm an educated enough to know 
that she's having a hard time 

688
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,640
figuring out what to do. 
The next step was going to be 

689
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,160
literally going to buy one of 
those patches of grass and bring

690
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,320
it in inside or something. 
But we, we, we put our pets into

691
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,840
these situations and then we 
call them aggressive, we call 

692
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,720
them anxious, we call them all 
these things. 

693
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,400
And like there are things that 
obviously we can't control 

694
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
either. 
Like if there is an anxiety 

695
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040
related to noise and there's 
fireworks or there are there's a

696
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,800
thunderstorm, like we can't 
control that, but we can manage 

697
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,600
that and we could try to 
alleviate that through training.

698
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
But when it comes to like 
aggression, we can control a lot

699
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
of those things. 
Like when a dog bites a child, 

700
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,840
why was the child even near the 
dog? 

701
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Where was the management right? 
When a dog who is who has shown 

702
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,600
snapping or growling signs being
made uncomfortable by XYZ 

703
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,920
situation is being repeatedly 
put in those situations, Those 

704
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,200
are the times when we can say 
that was the human error. 

705
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,400
That was not the dog, and we 
need to listen more to the dogs 

706
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,600
so that we can prevent these 
behaviors. 

707
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,280
And then there are times when 
you really do need to get 

708
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,360
professional help immediately, 
like a dog with separation 

709
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,360
anxiety, where they are tearing 
apart your home. 

710
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,560
They can't be crated because 
they're a danger to themselves. 

711
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,040
But then they can't be left in a
room because they'll eat the 

712
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
comforter. 
And you, you know, you're down 

713
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,560
to like nothing in your room and
they're eating the drywall. 

714
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,200
This is, you know, these things 
happen. 

715
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,600
So like at that point, this 
needs to become like a super 

716
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,120
important part of your life 
where you like dedicate time, 

717
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080
patience, compassion, 
understanding and a lot of 

718
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,240
potentially money into fixing 
this problem because your best 

719
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,320
dog trainers are not going to do
this for free. 

720
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,840
And there's a, you know, there's
a lot of liability involved in 

721
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,200
these extreme behaviors, right? 
Like I, you know, they're going 

722
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,280
to your dog trainer should have 
insurance in case, you know, 

723
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,000
something that they tell you to 
do, it results in something that

724
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,480
you didn't want as an outcome. 
So those things, when it comes 

725
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,440
to that point where it's 
affecting your life and the 

726
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,600
pet's life, that's when you need
to get this immediate attention 

727
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,040
from a professional dog trainer 
like now. 

728
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Yeah, absolutely. 
So we only have like 15 minutes 

729
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,520
left and I wanted to bring up 
something that I felt was very 

730
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,520
contradictory and very important
for us to talk about because of 

731
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,880
course it brings me right back 
around to what I'm most 

732
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,520
comfortable talking about. 
So it says for dog owners, it's 

733
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,880
important to learn to read your 
dog's body language and talk to 

734
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,240
your local veterinarian. 
If there is any type of behavior

735
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,720
happening that bothers you, they
can help you identify the cause 

736
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,040
and find a solution. 
However, it also says some 

737
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,920
studies report that only 50% of 
veterinarians ask questions 

738
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,240
about behavior during 
appointments and owners may not 

739
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,320
think to ask the veterinarian 
about something they don't like.

740
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,560
What this to me says is that pet
parents are aware and at least 

741
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,120
to some degree, maybe not all of
them, maybe, and maybe some of 

742
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,880
it is subconscious. 
But to me, what this is saying 

743
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,960
is that first of all, I know as 
a professional that 

744
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,480
veterinarians, generally 
speaking, are not trained to 

745
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,800
help people with behavior 
problems. 

746
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,400
Unless they're caused by unless 
a physical ailment. 

747
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,240
Exactly. 
Yes. 

748
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,080
If they're caused by something 
painful in the body, if there's 

749
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:32,200
some disease process causing an 
issue, some sort of, you know, 

750
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,320
pressure on the brain or, you 
know, who knows? 

751
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Yes, they can. 
I, yeah, they can identify. 

752
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,520
Yes, they can identify things 
that are physical in nature. 

753
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,120
But what this is kind of saying 
to me is like, people understand

754
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,160
even if it's subconsciously that
veterinarians are not equipped 

755
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,200
to handle behavioral issues. 
And generally speaking again. 

756
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Everything, especially now with 
the rise of dog training online 

757
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,920
on social media, like all we see
of, you know, this dog trainer 

758
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
and that dog trainer. 
And like, I mean, I hate to give

759
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Cesar Milan any credit for 
anything, but he did kind of 

760
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,600
hear bring it to that trainer 
that people recognized as a 

761
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
career, as a profession. 
So he did do that. 

762
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,440
I didn't like his his approach, 
but you know, he and Victoria 

763
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Stillwell and you know a few 
others that were kind of like 

764
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,400
the original dog trainers on TV.
They did make it so that we 

765
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
recognize that there's a 
difference between the medical 

766
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
professional and the behavior 
professional, even though one 

767
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440
does go to school. 
And then there are obviously 

768
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520
behavior of veterinary 
behaviorists, but most people 

769
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560
don't know about those unless 
they're referred to 1. 

770
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Yeah, and they are hard, hard to
find. 

771
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,120
My kind of hope in this is that 
people, people also start 

772
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,960
realizing that veterinarians are
not equipped for preventive care

773
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,120
and they're not equipped for 
nutrition. 

774
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Like that's my big one. 
They are not equipped for 

775
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,720
nutrition unless again like a 
veterinary behaviorist, they go 

776
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,200
out and seek additional 
education outside of their 

777
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,400
veterinary degree, their 
veterinary license. 

778
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,240
So that's kind of where like my 
mind went as I was reading this.

779
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,200
It's like, oh, that's 
interesting that we do, even if 

780
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,560
it's subconsciously kind of 
recognize that veterinarians 

781
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
aren't equipped to handle 
behavior, but like we are not 

782
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,880
yet realizing that they're not 
equipped to handle nutrition 

783
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,240
questions and. 
I've never been asked by vet 

784
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,760
about my pets behavior to be 
honest with you. 

785
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,680
I've gone to them with socks had
like crystals in her urine when 

786
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,560
she was a puppy and she was 
peeing all over. 

787
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,520
So I went with a behavior 
concern. 

788
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,720
I go with a behavior concern 
like when radar had some kind of

789
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,920
neurological issue, I went 
saying these this is the 

790
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,000
behavior I'm seeing and I think 
it's time to say goodbye. 

791
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:09,320
We go to them with behavior 
issues that we know are caused 

792
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,400
by some kind of right, because 
like because Socks knew to pee 

793
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,880
outside, but she would pee every
30 minutes. 

794
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,280
So it was like there was 
obviously a medical issue, 

795
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,400
right? 
So if we're somewhat educated on

796
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,120
human health, we kind of go to 
those conclusions. 

797
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,320
But when I think about my like 
talks with vets, the only vet 

798
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,480
that's ever asked me what my 
pets eat was one that was 

799
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,720
prescribing prescription diets 
for socks with the incontinence 

800
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,080
or my veterinarian who came to 
the house and we told her we do 

801
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560
a homemade raw. 
And she asked so that she could 

802
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,160
get more clarity on what we did 
and how we handled it. 

803
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,000
And she was at my house. 
So we showed her the whole 

804
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,680
process and how we kept things 
clean. 

805
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,200
But that's, I mean, I've been a 
pet parent since 2008, like my 

806
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,760
own adult as an adult almost 20 
years. 

807
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480
And what else have I? 
Nutrition. 

808
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,120
No behavior. 
Never. 

809
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,080
I mean, never. 
Like we've gone with Satchmo to 

810
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,520
say he bites when people touch 
him around this area, right? 

811
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,720
Because that's that I know could
be physical. 

812
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:27,800
But yeah, no, I've never, I've 
never been asked about just like

813
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,040
a regular at any age, whether my
pets were four months when I got

814
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Titan or, you know, Satchmo's 
ten. 

815
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,840
I've never been asked, like, how
does he walk on a leash? 

816
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,320
And how does he respond to other
dogs? 

817
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,960
And how does he, you know, 
behave when strangers come over?

818
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Like no, never. 
And I, and I do think, I mean, 

819
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,560
I, I definitely see it on social
media, people want to avoid the 

820
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,800
veterinarian at all cost and 
they don't attribute behavioral 

821
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,360
issues with medical issues 
nearly as often as they should. 

822
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Yeah, we always any, any new 
behavior that your pet is 

823
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,400
exhibiting is a reason to go to 
your veterinarian so that they 

824
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,640
can either say, yes, there is a 
physical reason for this 

825
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,520
happening or no, there isn't. 
And then you can go down the 

826
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,480
behavioral issue. 
I mean the behavioral route. 

827
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,560
That is something I do think 
that pet parents are not really 

828
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,080
great about. 
They it's like they don't want 

829
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,120
to quote, waste money. 
It's not a waste of money to get

830
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,880
a diagnosis. 
Would it be a waste of money to 

831
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
just throw prescriptions at it? 
Maybe. 

832
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,720
Yeah, Yeah. 
So be a discerning pet parent 

833
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,920
and say I'm here for a diagnosis
and then I'm going, you know, if

834
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,720
it's not an emergency, take that
information back home with you. 

835
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,640
Think about it, research it, 
figure out what's going to be 

836
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,320
best for you and your pet. 
Is behavior modification the the

837
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480
first thing you want to do 
instead of throwing Prozac at 

838
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,560
something? 
Probably right? 

839
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840
Well, I mean, and it depends on 
the age too, like at 14 years 

840
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,680
old, maybe you do want to throw 
Prozac at it for quality of 

841
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,240
life. 
I mean, for me, it's always like

842
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
when you start noticing a 
change, if it's like a big 

843
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,080
change, like your dog bit 
somebody overnight and they're 

844
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,120
maybe 1012, that is a really 
good indication that they could 

845
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,000
be in pain and defensive, right?
They've never bit before and all

846
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,440
of a sudden they're biting like,
whoa, that's so quick. 

847
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,960
You need to go straight to the 
vet. 

848
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,120
You need to call and you need to
like kind of pressure them to 

849
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,400
get you in soon because that 
situation can escalate. 

850
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,800
But let's say that your dog's 
pacing a little bit right at 

851
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,080
night, they get up, they pace a 
little bit, they look a little 

852
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,680
confused, maybe that's not 
urgent, but maybe you can 

853
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,280
observe them for a week, Call 
the vet and say, hey, this is 

854
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
what I'm observing. 
If it becomes more frequent or 

855
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,120
it becomes and it's, it's, it's 
coupled with like vomiting or 

856
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,280
releasing their bowels or 
whatever, then now you're 

857
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,440
calling and saying, hey, I need 
to get in sooner. 

858
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,240
But there's a lot that we can 
kind of observe before we go to 

859
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,880
the vet, but not immediately 
just discard the vet. 

860
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Like knowing that behaviors 
often are. 

861
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,560
We talked, we've talked about 
this so much, like even with the

862
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,040
dog bite conversation where like
dogs, they're going to bite if 

863
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,080
they're in pain 100%, but 
they're going to avoid the bite 

864
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,120
as much as they can. 
They don't want to start 

865
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,440
arguments with humans or with 
other dogs, so to speak. 

866
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,400
So if you see that they've 
gotten to that point where they 

867
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,320
are urinating inside and that's 
not something that they've done 

868
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,680
before, there are they are 
defecating inside. 

869
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Like last night, Satchmo woke me
up at 5:00 in the morning to go 

870
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,480
out. 
He needed to go to the bathroom.

871
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,800
He didn't go out after dinner. 
We fed him kind of late. 

872
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,400
We were at the movies. 
So I know that that was just, he

873
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,920
didn't get to go at night and 
then he meet like by the time 

874
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200
5:00 AM rolls around, he was 
ready to go out. 

875
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,600
But if he's waking me up every 
single night needing to go out 

876
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,080
and it's like soft stool, now 
that there's a problem there, 

877
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,840
there might be a problem. 
So having that kind of like 

878
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,600
moment to take a pause and think
about what's happening, you can 

879
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,360
figure out whether it could be 
physical, a veterinary thing or 

880
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,720
a dog trainer thing. 
But most dog trainers will refer

881
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:23,200
you to the vet first. 
Most dog trainers will be like, 

882
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,440
you're telling me he's doing 
this and when is he doing it and

883
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,360
when was the last time he did it
and how old is he? 

884
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,800
And when was his last, you know,
his last blood work or whatever.

885
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,880
And they'll be like, you know 
what, before we work together, 

886
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,040
you need to go to the vet 
because they know that a lot of 

887
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,200
this stuff can come from just 
like, like you said at the 

888
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600
beginning, just feeling like 
crap. 

889
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,520
And one thing I have done is and
because you brought up the like 

890
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,480
pacing at night, I mean, 
fortunately we have so much more

891
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,920
knowledge now like not all 
veterinarians will. 

892
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,800
But generally speaking, 
especially in like the healthy 

893
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,880
pet space, we know like 
mushrooms are excellent for 

894
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,400
cognitive health and we can, we 
can implement these things on 

895
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,320
our own without seeking 
veterinary assistance. 

896
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,960
But one thing that I have done 
if I'm like really unsure, but I

897
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,480
know it's not an emergency is I 
will call the vet and I will say

898
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,600
this is what I'm seeing. 
I know that like I'm not ready 

899
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,840
to bring my animal in. 
I don't feel like it's an 

900
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,680
emergency. 
I feel like this is something I 

901
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,040
need to wait and see. 
But can you tell me what what I 

902
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,200
should be looking for? 
Because if X happens, I know I 

903
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040
need to call and make an 
appointment and they'll kind of 

904
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,680
advise you in that way. 
They may or may not be happy 

905
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,320
about having to take the time 
for that phone call, but 

906
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,320
hopefully you have a really. 
Bad. 

907
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Well, I. 
Mean and The thing is you should

908
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,400
be going to the vet annually at 
some point in their life. 

909
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200
You should be going semi 
annually. 

910
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,720
So twice a year you should be, 
you know, kind of keeping up 

911
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:09,120
with what like follow-ups like 
if your dog had like high kidney

912
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,840
levels, you should be following 
up within three months, maybe 

913
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,800
with a phone call. 
My vet's wonderful. 

914
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,320
I mean, it's not her calling me,
but they do call after every 

915
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,200
appointment being like, how are 
the medicine? 

916
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,800
How's the medicine working? 
Is it working? 

917
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,840
Is it not? 
And if I, and most of the time 

918
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,520
it's yes, it's fantastic, all's 
cleared up, whatever. 

919
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,840
But if it's not, then obviously 
the vet will either ask me to 

920
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,840
come back in or call me. 
And I'd rather, you know, when 

921
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,400
it comes to, like you said, 
preventive, I'd rather be in 

922
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,800
charge of that myself. 
Where I force myself to take my 

923
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,440
dogs every year. 
Now it's more often because 

924
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,720
they're older. 
But like, Van Gogh's going to go

925
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,280
once a year. 
He's like two or three. 

926
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,360
I can't remember. 
I can't do math. 

927
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,680
The past few years have like all
they're all meshed together, but

928
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,800
he only goes once a year. 
And if he doesn't go at the year

929
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,840
and he's doing great and there's
no changes, I don't worry about 

930
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,360
like going at 14 months or 
whatever just because we got 

931
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,600
busy. 
But when it comes to a dog with 

932
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,920
a chronic disease or with a 
who's aging, you know, cognitive

933
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,720
decline is something that I 
think a lot of pet parents don't

934
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,320
know about, don't understand and
don't really can't really 

935
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,440
recognize until it's kind of 
really affected quality of life.

936
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:19,960
And so that's why one of the 
things that you and I always 

937
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,480
talk about is making sure you're
staying on those six every six 

938
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,640
month or every year 
appointments, especially as your

939
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,320
dog gets old, because that is 
maybe when your vet will ask you

940
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,360
like, is there any pacing at 
night? 

941
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,520
Are they still eating? 
Are they still willing to go for

942
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,640
a walk? 
Do they look kind of wobbly in 

943
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,720
the morning? 
What's what about arthritis or 

944
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,760
whatever? 
Because that's kind of dates on 

945
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,680
their radar. 
It's harder when it's the when 

946
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,960
it's like an adult dog who may 
be presenting with issues and 

947
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,360
there's no physical reason for 
it to happen. 

948
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,680
But there could be trauma. 
And I think that what we're both

949
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,640
saying is when it comes to like 
behaviors caused by trauma, 

950
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,480
which we all have, I don't think
veterinarians are going to all 

951
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,760
have the most veterinarians are 
going to have the expertise on 

952
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,960
that because their focus is 
behavior and health related 

953
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,160
things. 
And again, veterinarians have to

954
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,280
learn all animal species outside
of humans and they have to learn

955
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,720
all specialties basically. 
So they're not going to know 

956
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,080
about your dog's trauma and how 
it's affecting them everyday. 

957
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,280
So that's why we have, you know,
Melena di Martini, who 

958
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,640
specializes in separation 
anxiety, Michael Chicashio, who 

959
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,840
specializes in aggression. 
There's a lot of puppy experts 

960
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,000
who are going to set your puppy 
up for success to prevent a lot 

961
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,840
of these. 
Dale Ward is one of my favorites

962
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,320
to refer to. 
And she actually wrote a book 

963
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,640
called Raising the Worst Dog 
Ever because she did it all 

964
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,160
wrong. 
Her book is her first dog that 

965
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920
she trained. 
That dog is why she's a dog 

966
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,200
trainer. 
And that's why she, you know, 

967
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,480
now works with puppies so much, 
is setting them up for success, 

968
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,120
for a life where they don't have
as many traumas because they are

969
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,400
better prepared to adapt to our 
world. 

970
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,400
But this, I mean, this, I think 
this is so cool that we're 

971
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,880
actually taking the time to talk
about this because I think the 

972
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,040
more people recognize that we 
need to stop, like just letting 

973
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,600
our dogs live according to our 
needs, the more we realize that 

974
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,200
these behaviors are common and 
treatable, the more we realize 

975
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,520
that it falls on us to do the 
right thing, the better, right? 

976
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,720
So like when we see that 99% of 
dogs show some kind of behavior 

977
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,520
issue in the United States, at 
least we can say like there's a 

978
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,920
community of us who get it and 
we can all do our part to help 

979
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,240
these dogs do better, cope 
better, adjust better. 

980
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,800
And we have to recognize that 
that's not going to happen 

981
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,840
overnight. 
And maybe it'll teach, you know,

982
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,200
people who are thinking about 
getting dogs that it's a big 

983
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,960
responsibility. 
Like it's there's a very good 

984
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,000
chance that your dog is going to
have an issue and you need to be

985
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,600
prepared to handle it and manage
it and address it. 

986
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Well, not only a very good 
chance that your dog is going to

987
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,880
have an issue, but a very good 
chance that you are causing an 

988
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,000
issue for your dog. 
And not like, I'm not saying 

989
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,240
that in a like being mean to you
kind of way. 

990
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Like is it my fault that I moved
and my dog is now regressing? 

991
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:37,440
I mean in a way, like in a way, 
but also like, I don't have to 

992
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,680
beat myself up over that. 
Don't take that off. 

993
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Don't take that off. 
Is it your fault That is it Is 

994
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,960
it my fault that Kira is more 
anxious than she would be if I 

995
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,840
gave her more exercise for her 
breed? 

996
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Yeah. 
Like I know that her her breed 

997
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,040
needs a lot of exercise and a 
lot of outlets, right? 

998
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,000
Am I giving her enough outlets? 
Probably not. 

999
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,400
So yes, that's my fault. 
And like that is the fault of a 

1000
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,360
lot of us. 
That's a very common fault. 

1001
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,720
That's one of the reasons that 
I, I'm so passionate about dog 

1002
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,280
walkers. 
Dog walkers to me are such an 

1003
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,080
underutilized resource for dog 
parents because you, if you find

1004
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,240
the right dog Walker, not only 
will there, they tailor their 

1005
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,120
services to your dog's energy 
levels and fitness needs and 

1006
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,560
breed demands. 
They're going to, you know, come

1007
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,120
over and make sure that your 
puppy gets potty trained 

1008
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,720
properly, efficiently, right? 
That it doesn't take a year, 

1009
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,920
it'll take three months because 
there's, there's going to be 

1010
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,040
consistency, There's going to 
be, you know, you could work 

1011
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,840
together to say, you know, I 
want my dog jogged. 

1012
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,840
I need my dog jogged while I'm 
at work, not just walked around 

1013
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,840
the block. 
That's not enough for my like, 

1014
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,760
you know, Siberian Husky. 
So those are resources that are 

1015
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
so underutilized. 
And if you cannot afford a dog 

1016
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Walker, guess who's the dog 
Walker You are or don't get that

1017
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,920
breed. 
Yeah. 

1018
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Well, I guess my point is like 
just realizing that we are part.

1019
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Like we have to realize that 
we're part of the problem to be 

1020
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,520
able to address that we're part 
of the problem, if that makes 

1021
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,040
sense. 
Instead of burying our head in 

1022
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:21,120
the sand and saying, oh, this 
dog, that this dog does this and

1023
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,720
that and I hate it and blah, 
blah blah. 

1024
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,560
We have to be able to look at 
ourselves in the mirror and say 

1025
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,280
what am I doing to contribute to
it and what can I do to change 

1026
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,560
it instead of just blaming the 
dog for everything. 

1027
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Yes, 100%. 
And you know what the the reason

1028
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,640
I'm doing that is because that's
literally parenting of any sort.

1029
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,880
That's literally parenting of 
any sort. 

1030
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Our kids, our dogs, they react 
based on us, what we put out, 

1031
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,920
the boundaries we set or don't 
set the the needs we meet or 

1032
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,840
don't meet, the examples we set 
or don't set right. 

1033
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,120
So like if I'm like, you know, 
acting crazy and completely 

1034
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040
unregulated, my dog is going to 
be and my kid is going to be 

1035
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,080
completely crazy and 
unregulated. 

1036
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,080
I need to teach what I want for 
my children. 

1037
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,040
I need to teach my dog to 
settle, right? 

1038
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,680
Like so many dogs, puppies don't
know how to relax. 

1039
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,880
And it's like they don't know 
how to do that because that's 

1040
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,240
not normal for them. 
I'm like, you're going to, you 

1041
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,960
know, you take them to the dog 
park, you want them to be wild 

1042
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,240
there. 
You take them to your backyard. 

1043
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,000
You want them to just relax 
while you have a beer. 

1044
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,920
Like it looks the same to them. 
So you have to teach them these 

1045
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,600
things. 
And one of the conversations I 

1046
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
have with my husband all the 
time is he's kind of like 

1047
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,880
military and like, this is right
and this is wrong. 

1048
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,200
And I'm like, your job is to 
teach them. 

1049
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,080
They weren't born knowing that. 
Like, I get that you understand 

1050
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,080
that they shouldn't do that 
because agreed, they shouldn't 

1051
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,000
do that. 
But when did they learn not to 

1052
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,280
do that? 
Like we taught them not to cross

1053
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
the street without looking 
right? 

1054
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,920
We taught them that, but we 
didn't teach them to maybe, you 

1055
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,560
know, I don't know, make their 
back because it hasn't been 

1056
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,280
something we're teaching them. 
Where, where are they going to 

1057
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,880
learn that if if they're not 
learning it from us? 

1058
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,080
So it's the same thing with our 
dogs. 

1059
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Like if we're teaching them to, 
you know, walk on a leash 

1060
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,480
properly, they're not going to 
naturally know that. 

1061
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,080
If we teach them to, you know, 
not steal the food from the 

1062
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,440
other dog in the house, then 
they might, there might not be a

1063
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,440
fight over the food, right? 
But like, we've got to teach 

1064
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,600
them. 
We've got to manage it. 

1065
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,520
And I think pet parents just 
want things to be easy. 

1066
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,200
I just like parents. 
They just want to be easy. 

1067
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,240
And like if anything, these 
numbers show that it's not easy 

1068
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,760
and that us not being proactive 
is making it worse is leading to

1069
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,480
a place where then it becomes a 
lot harder to manage. 

1070
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,200
Girl OK. 
Well, thank you guys for joining

1071
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,880
us. 
It was awesome to talk 

1072
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,880
passionately about another 
topic. 

1073
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,040
We will see you next week. 
Next week is. 

1074
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,720
We're we're going to be in June 
next week. 

1075
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,480
June 3rd. 
OMG what? 

1076
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:11,480
June 3rd, June 3rd. 
I know I'm so slammed with work 

1077
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,040
too. 
So this week I do have the CEO 

1078
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,000
of Care Credit on the show. 
So TuneIn Thursday at 3:00. 

1079
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,200
We've been talking a lot about, 
you know, finances. 

1080
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,600
I know you had him on the show. 
So if you want to listen to 

1081
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,720
something about Care Credit 
today, go check out the 

1082
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,520
parenting reset. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1083
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,640
And then I have him on my show 
live on, on Thursday at 3:00 PM 

1084
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,680
Mountain Standard Time. 
And then we'll see you next 

1085
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,240
week, Wednesday. 
I'm sorry, Tuesday, the 3rd of 

1086
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,040
June for a conversation. 
We haven't decided what we're 

1087
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,240
talking about. 
Yet no, I need to figure, I 

1088
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,920
don't know, I need to go in my 
inbox. 

1089
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,320
And that's how I that's what I 
do. 

1090
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,840
I go through my inbox and I'm 
like, what? 

1091
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,560
Looks good, let me send this to 
her. 

1092
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,280
I just, I, I listen to people 
talking in the pet industry and 

1093
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,160
I say everybody's talking about 
money, let's talk tariffs, 

1094
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,640
everybody's talking about this, 
let's talk about it. 

1095
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,840
Yeah. 
I haven't seen anything like 

1096
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,760
really trending to be honest 
with you. 

1097
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,920
Yeah, I think people are are 
getting really, I think people 

1098
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,800
are already getting worn out 
this year. 

1099
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,880
I. 
Really do well, especially like 

1100
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,280
for me as a parent now the 
school year is kind of like, 

1101
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,320
yeah, like that's, that's kind 
of like I, I almost, I almost 

1102
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,600
operate on like 6 month periods 
now. 

1103
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,520
So January to June is like one 
period and then like August to 

1104
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,320
December is another period and 
like summer is like a break time

1105
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,040
for me. 
Thank goodness I still work, but

1106
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,720
I still kind of like reduce my 
workload. 

1107
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,840
And I do think that anybody who 
has like, you know, even even if

1108
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,320
you don't have kids, like kids 
in your family, like graduations

1109
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,760
and end of school activities and
presentations and all the things

1110
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,880
that you highlight games and all
the stuff that is happening. 

1111
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,840
So I think people are kind of 
tired, but we've talked about 

1112
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,040
pet sitting, we've talked about 
what to do. 

1113
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:11,000
You know, one thing I don't know
that we've talked about is like 

1114
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,840
boarding facilities, maybe for 
boarding for cats, maybe the, 

1115
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,480
the, the pros and cons of 
boarding for cats and like, 

1116
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,600
because there are people who 
travel for a long period of time

1117
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,840
and maybe can't leave their cat 
alone. 

1118
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,120
So maybe we can talk about 
boarding and some, some degree 

1119
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,440
because I, I'm a big believer in
in home pet care, but I 

1120
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,400
recognize that it's not for 
everybody. 

1121
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,840
So finding the right boarding 
facility is something I think 

1122
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,080
pet parents really need to think
about. 

1123
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,760
I think also boarding options 
for your cat there there there 

1124
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,960
are trends now where there are 
really nice luxury boarding 

1125
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,680
facilities for cats only popping
up all over the US. 

1126
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,080
And that's a really good tool 
for people who are traveling 

1127
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,560
long term or have like a social 
puppy that just wants more 

1128
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,640
attention. 
So if you're cool with that, we 

1129
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,800
can talk about something like 
that, since summer's coming and 

1130
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,680
people are going to have to make
decisions, if you haven't 

1131
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,400
already, about your pets, yeah. 
You should have, you should have

1132
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,440
made decisions about those 
months ago. 

1133
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,880
But OK, I'll talk about. 
It well, it depends on when 

1134
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,160
you're leaving. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1135
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,080
That sounds good. 
We'll talk about that and. 

1136
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Then cat boarding. 
Let's talk about cat boarding. 

1137
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:25,880
OK. 
Yeah. 

1138
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,320
All right, Awesome, guys. 
Well, thanks for joining us 

1139
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,880
again and we'll see you next 
week to talk about cat boarding.

1140
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,240
We gotta get to give some love 
to the cat people out there too.

1141
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,640
Yeah. 
All right, guys. 

1142
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,880
All right, have a good week.