1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,040 Welcome back, pet parents. So today we are talking about 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,240 sound again, which I find so fascinating. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,840 I actually was recently talking to Rita Hogan and we were 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,280 discussing a little bit about the impact of classical music on 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,720 us and our pets. And there's actually research in 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,280 cancer and other things related to classical music and sound. 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,840 And so I, I'm really excited to bring today's guest to you, 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Doctor Amaya Espindola with Felvet. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,360 And we are going to be talking a little bit about sound. 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,600 But before we do, I want to welcome you and thank you so 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,560 much for being here. Thank you for inviting me, it's 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,800 a pleasure. Yeah, I well, and one of the 13 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,600 things that I really like to do because I, it just doesn't 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,640 happen very often, is kind of highlight cats. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,840 I get so many people on here, we talk about dogs a lot and a lot 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,880 of that translates to cats. But to really call out cat 17 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,400 specific things is something that I do like to do as often as 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,560 possible. I've had cats since literally 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,280 the day I I left home at 8 of the day I turned 18. 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,400 I've had my own cats at least one ever since. 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,000 And as much as I love dogs, I'm just, I know like in my heart, 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,960 my cats are like my babies. And again with the sound thing, 23 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:31,440 that's just, it's so fascinating to me. 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,040 Again, I want to thank you so much for being here and bringing 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,480 all of your expertise with you. But I would love to start out 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,480 just by hearing a little bit about how you got started and 27 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,560 veterinary medicine, and then we can kind of talk about how 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,440 things have evolved since then. OK, so the story is it's 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,600 actually a bit funny because I was afraid of cats. 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:02,240 And and it's not, it's not just that I was afraid of cats. 31 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,800 It was kind of a cultural thing because I've never been attacked 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,639 or I was simply allergic. And all my family is. 33 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,440 And simply we had this idea of, you know, cats are independent. 34 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,360 They don't want to be with you. They, they are not lovable or, 35 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,320 you know, we were all dog people, right? 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:25,920 So, and, and actually for my mother, the idea of having a pet 37 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:30,000 was such a responsibility that she was like very cautious every 38 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,400 time we asked for a pet, you know, I was like, yeah, we want 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,880 a dog or we want something. And, and yeah, she was like, 40 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,640 yeah, I know I'll be taking care of them. 41 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:41,560 So she was a little bit say like resistant to have more pets. 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,680 But I mean, when I started, I had a dog. 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,000 I had one of my I think was the first teacher I had her, her 44 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,360 name was Sophia. I was a mixed breed kind of 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,240 shepherd and Husky dog. And she had an issue in her back 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,920 and when she turned 14, before that, I think she never visit 47 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:04,280 the vet. Those dogs that always eat the 48 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,280 same food you do, you know, those we never fed even any 49 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,080 ultra process. We didn't know anything about 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,800 it. But yeah, the same food that we 51 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,240 had. And I met the first vet there, 52 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,080 one of the local vets we had. And I saw the way he was, you 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,680 know, he was very open. He, he would open a book with 54 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,040 you and, and discuss it. And I thought, this is amazing 55 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,280 how how he works and how he does it. 56 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,760 But in the end, we could not find a solution for her. 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,880 So we had, we had to euthanize and it was kind of a very bad 58 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 experience in that because it was my first connection. 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,240 I had the opportunity to learn about what she was going 60 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,480 through. So I said to myself, I want to, 61 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,760 you know, I want to make sure that, you know, we did the right 62 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,760 thing, kind of. I liked animals, but at the same 63 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,160 time I was very artistic and I liked music. 64 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,560 So I was kind of a difficult decision. 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,320 But in the end you turn out for the supposedly to be safe, safer 66 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,120 career. No way. 67 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,120 And you and you go for medicine. And I said, OK, I started there 68 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,520 and up until the end of the career when I, when we had a 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,279 Class, A specific class with a guest coming from Buenos Aires 70 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,680 to talk about specifically about cats, I was not convinced to 71 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 work working with cats. And after that class, I was 72 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,480 like, OK, I'm afraid of the 50% of the of the animals I'll be 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,040 treating. Right. 74 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,400 They have to do something about it. 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,360 So well, I did, went to practice with him and suddenly things 76 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,840 started to happen, things that were unexpected. 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,640 I ended up practicing for John August in College Station in 78 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,720 Texas A and I ended up in Spain working all my all my jobs were 79 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,680 in feline hospitals. So it's kind of the doors open 80 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,920 up for me. After I decided to face the fear 81 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,480 of being with cats, the my allergies disappeared. 82 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,560 I am the only thing my family that does does not have 83 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,800 allergies anymore of cats. I was going to ask you about 84 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:09,840 that. Like what did you do? 85 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Nothing. I just rubbed them because they 86 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,920 had no other option. Then then I learned through 87 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,880 psychosomatics that allergies come from a could be a conscious 88 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,240 or unconscious fear. So there is a reaction to the 89 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,040 from your body to something external, right? 90 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,040 And that can be conscious or unconscious. 91 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,600 So then I learned. But when I faced the fear of 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,160 cats and I stopped fear and fear in them, the allergies 93 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,440 disappeared just like that. I didn't know at the time I 94 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,120 simply robbed them like this. I was like, OK, I need to face 95 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,120 this. I need to do it. 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,480 And that's how I got into, you know, the feline world. 97 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,880 And I became really passionate about. 98 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,840 I had the chance to work in a cat cafe in Madrid for seven 99 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,440 years, and I was the responsible bed. 100 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,240 I had to deal with 30 cats at the same time. 101 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,760 That was the greatest experience I had because you can learn a 102 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,760 lot of things in books. You can learn about how to 103 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,200 handle a cat. But when you have 30 cats were 104 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,480 roaming around and you're rescuing 1, you have to bring 105 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,320 it, You have to accommodate them. 106 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,560 You have to make sure that the people visiting the Cat Cafe is 107 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,280 it's doing well. And all the cats, I got the 108 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:20,800 chance to try holistic therapies with them. 109 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,800 It was quite a really good moment as a, as a, as a 110 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,200 development for me. That's, that's why it, it 111 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,120 actually made the difference because up until then, I already 112 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,960 had a degree of feline medicine. I had all those things. 113 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:40,560 But until you face an aggressive cat, until you face introducing 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,600 a new cat in the environment, I think you don't know anything. 115 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,520 I mean, you can learn everything in books. 116 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,000 So there was one thing I was doing at the time and it was 117 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,200 singing. Because when I, when I'm 118 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,080 nervous, I sing, that's my other, my other part, the 119 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,240 musician was not never left alone. 120 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,120 I mean, I was studying veterinary school at school and 121 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,280 then at the same time I was learning music and singing. 122 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:10,720 So those things were always parallel when, when I, when I 123 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,760 was nervous and I knew my energy was a bit, you know, when you 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,360 find a scared, scared cat, you need to relax a lot. 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,040 You need to calm down to, in order to try and communicate 126 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,280 with them. So without again, without 127 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,600 knowing what I was doing, now I know, but without knowing, I 128 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,720 started singing and I start seeing the benefits from it. 129 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,440 But at that time I didn't do anything with. 130 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,800 I was just simply relaxing. Oh, I got it. 131 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,520 Now I can vaccinate now I can, you know, that's all I thought 132 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,560 about and that's how I started. How that's how my holistic 133 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,160 career, everything felt that was born. 134 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,480 It was all through those experiences, It was all very. 135 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,360 So it sounds like because one of the things that I like to talk 136 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:05,320 to veterinarians about is their transition into holistic or 137 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,520 integrative medicine, because most vet schools, at least I 138 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,680 would imagine, I'm here in the US, but I would imagine around 139 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,520 the world, there isn't a whole lot of emphasis, if any at all, 140 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,040 on natural remedies, on natural treatments. 141 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:26,000 And, you know, considering incorporating them into your 142 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,800 practice. So, you know, I heard you say 143 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,560 that when you were at the Cat Cafe, that's kind of where you 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,440 were able to bring in some holistic options, which is 145 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,200 absolutely amazing. I love that the you were given 146 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,919 kind of that freedom to do that. And I'm just curious as to like 147 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,360 what what some of the things were that you start. 148 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,000 I mean, you know, you were singing and that certainly is 149 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,080 very holistic thing to do, but what were some of the things 150 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,320 that you kind of dabbled in at first? 151 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,560 Well, all as you say, old schools are old school, they 152 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:03,480 don't they don't add anything. What I would say it's, I would 153 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,400 consider a benefit studying in like a third world country like 154 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:13,680 Argentina is that we learn to work without resources and in a 155 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:17,960 way that gives you a holistic perspective of things. 156 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,040 I remember working especially with horses that we need to, we 157 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,400 needed to connect with the horse in order to get things done 158 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,000 because we were taught, imagine if you don't have anyone around 159 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,800 helping you out and you have to deal with a horse in the middle 160 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,200 of the field that you have to deal with it, right? 161 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,800 So those things were very valuable for me. 162 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,920 That's one of one of the things I really liked about my career, 163 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,040 the good and the bad, because we also learned a lot of animal 164 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,240 production things that were horrible for me. 165 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,280 You know, the cow's how you know, the meat production, the 166 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,400 milk, those those were really, really difficult for me. 167 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,760 But in the sense of learning without resources, it was one 168 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,000 thing that when I went to Texas A and I saw the benefits of, you 169 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,520 know, having all the technology at your side. 170 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,400 So I kind of was able to touch in different worlds. 171 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:17,040 And this is already a thing that opens up your mind to, OK, if I 172 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,480 go here, instead of trying to push what I know, I adapt to the 173 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,000 next, OK, here we have certain technologies. 174 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,040 The day that fails, I know what to do. 175 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,960 And when I, when I arrived to Spain, I met a vet that she was 176 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,600 already how holistic she was doing traditional Chinese 177 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,640 medicine. And at that time we, we became 178 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,160 very close friends. And she was, she was simply just 179 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,680 saying things like, you know, homeopathy works like this. 180 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,840 And I remember my brain going, I understand. 181 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,200 And, and this is vibration of that. 182 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,560 I was when I met the people at the Cat Cafe, they were very 183 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,640 open. They already knew about animal 184 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,840 communication. So for me, it was like what, 185 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,680 where am I? What am I doing? 186 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,280 But again, I adapted into the environment of those people 187 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,480 that, you know, they were doing a lot of things. 188 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,680 And to be honest, the first thing that we did was animal 189 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,360 communication. My friend would come and do a 190 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,600 little bit of homeopathy. She introduced me to cranial 191 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,000 sacral. Well, she did acupuncture. 192 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,560 I, I never, I never digged into traditional Chinese medicine. 193 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:30,200 I don't think I I'm aligned to that, but I love certain facts 194 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,080 that traditional Chinese medicine has, which I use, such 195 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,000 as the heat and all those things. 196 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,120 But you know, kind of my mind was like bubbling of new things. 197 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,920 And I had 30 cats and they were open for me to try everything I 198 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,240 wanted. So that's where I learned so far 199 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,480 my pregnancy talent on Touch Backflowers, others, Essence 200 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,640 Music. I was able to try everything 201 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,480 there because they were open to it. 202 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,840 And actually the owner, she was really good communicating. 203 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,160 So when I learned I was able to tap into that as well and 204 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,400 practice with her, you know, it was, it was as I said, it was 205 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,960 really good experience that changed my perspective. 206 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,000 And also there I met someone that came as a commercial. 207 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:23,080 She was selling a wet food for cats and she gave me a book of 208 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,760 raw diet and she said I sell this because it's the closest 209 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,000 thing to raw because it was a really good brand of I don't 210 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,680 remember the name now. And and she said, but you should 211 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:36,520 read to and you should read Ian Billinger's and I and I said, 212 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,280 OK, I will when when I started reading, I was like, this has so 213 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,760 much that. Bring it. 214 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,240 Like, yes, yes, that's How I Met the raw feeding veteran society. 215 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,760 That's how you know, so everything started to be aligned 216 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,200 in that job and then the pandemic came that closed down 217 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,280 and I, I said, OK, I have enough with all the things I've learned 218 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,080 during the seven-year period. Now it's time to develop velvet 219 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,680 and start doing it on my own, right. 220 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:11,240 And, and that's how that's how I I got into things. 221 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,120 And then after that I started perfection in the things that I 222 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,320 was more aligned to the therapies, which is so 223 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,120 pharmacognacy is one of my favourites because it changed 224 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,000 the way I see animals. As a vet, you are taught to 225 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,480 interpret the symptoms and make decisions for them. 226 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,160 But when you are faced with two pharmacognacy and you allowed 227 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:38,600 them to tell you how they feel, you add that with a little bit 228 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,080 of communication or you add that with a bit of talent and touch, 229 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,440 and you allow them to be the owners of their own bodies. 230 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Like we should be doing as well with our own health. 231 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,720 That changed the perspective of how I treat animals completely. 232 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,800 It was not only as a zoo farmer cognosy thing. 233 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,880 It was, OK, I'm going to give you this antibiotic. 234 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,320 If the cat doesn't want to take it, I have to think, rethink the 235 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,840 whole thing. Maybe I'm making a mistake, you 236 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,160 know? And that was really powerful for 237 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,160 me. There are a lot of things in 238 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,760 there I want to touch on. I definitely want to talk a 239 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,480 little bit more about C pharma cognosy and then the idea of 240 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,120 when you say, you know, I can prescribe an antibiotic to a 241 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,320 cat, but if they don't want to take it, then what do we do? 242 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,240 Right? Like so the idea of working with 243 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,280 cats is, in my opinion, very different from working with 244 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,960 dogs. But before we jump into that, I 245 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:37,240 kind of wanted go back a minute to what you said about being 246 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:43,720 more open to holistic natural options in a third world country 247 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,280 because you don't have the resources. 248 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,680 That hit me, that really touched me when you said that because 249 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,920 living in the United States, I've always, I mean, I've 250 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,160 traveled a little bit outside of the country, but not a whole 251 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,840 lot. And so somebody who has grown up 252 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:04,280 here, who has let's just basically say never left, I know 253 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,880 like in our culture, in our society today especially like we 254 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,520 really, I think things are starting to change a little bit 255 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:17,360 in our climate. But we really for so long have 256 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,880 looked at people who try to do things the natural way, who want 257 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,120 to eat right, take care of their body. 258 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:30,320 Like they, these people have really been looked at as 259 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,880 outsiders, as almost bougie because like, oh, you're so 260 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,480 extra for wanting to, you know, like take care of yourself in 261 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,480 that way. And I know that, like, to me 262 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,640 that just sounds so weird. But also we live and, and I 263 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,160 don't know where it is where you are, but here when we want to 264 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,920 buy food that isn't sprayed with glyphosate, when we want to buy 265 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,280 meat that was raised regeneratively, we pay dearly 266 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,800 for it. Like you can spend a few dollars 267 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,680 and have a meal and it is full of herbicides and pesticides. 268 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,760 It is full of if you get real animal product in it, which you 269 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,320 may not, but if you do, that animal did not eat a species 270 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,880 appropriate, like it's also inflammatory, full of chemicals. 271 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,080 And if you want to actually care for your body and return to 272 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:27,000 nature as much as possible and eat right and all of it like you 273 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,720 do, you spend an arm and a leg. And so it's really looked at, 274 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,720 even though like, like you said it in in another country, 275 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,680 especially like a third world country, you don't have the 276 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,520 resources. So you do look to nature. 277 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,520 And so like there's just this huge. 278 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,640 It's, it's just so it's like 180° to me, but I get it and I 279 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,840 see it. But I wanted to acknowledge that 280 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,520 because I feel like so many people listening probably feel 281 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,520 that way too. And I'm not sure if it's like 282 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,760 that, like what I described. I'm not sure if it's like that 283 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,760 where you are, but it's just it's, it's like you're looked at 284 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,599 as an oddball for wanting to care for yourself. 285 00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,440 Well, for example, one of the things that shook me when I 286 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,720 moved to Spain was that we have in Argentina, we have very good 287 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:21,079 quality what we used to because you know, we tend to, we tried 288 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:24,319 to get into the first world country things that we do, we 289 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,880 start doing things wrong. Extensive meat protection was 290 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,680 very common. So you know, it was fairly 291 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,080 common to see cows roaming around and that's what now it's 292 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,640 all full of soy, which that's the economic issue that now we 293 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,040 have. But before you, you could get 294 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,360 without having to buy organic or grass fed, grass fed was 295 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:48,800 something common, right? So it was, it was something that 296 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,920 you could buy in any, any butcher, butcher store. 297 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,000 And but then, you know, now, now it's changing and now it's not 298 00:17:56,120 --> 00:18:01,160 as good as you could find. Spain and Europe in general, I 299 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,080 would say we have really, well, not really good about better, 300 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,000 better organizations. You can find for example here in 301 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,920 Mallorca, there is a consumers group so you can fight find 302 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,400 local products. You pay a fortune for them 303 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,040 unless you know you find buy directly to the person. 304 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,600 But once it you have the supermarket in between or 305 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,360 something else, you're, you're paying a lot of money for it. 306 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:29,240 For example, olive oil, which is one of the most common things in 307 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:34,440 Spain, it's really expensive. Wow, it is it is something that 308 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,640 because in order to find a good olive oil that is extra virgin 309 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,440 with, you know, first extrusion and you know, without any heat 310 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:47,800 without any any additives or anything, you pay that a lot of 311 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:51,560 money for it. They call it the the golden, the 312 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,160 golden liquid or something like that because how much the price 313 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,600 increase. So we, we still have those 314 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,040 issues. But it's true. 315 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,480 I have my sister living in Houston and, and family all in 316 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,960 Texas and they, they struggle a lot to find and they pay much 317 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,840 more money for organic foods or it's difficult to find. 318 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,440 Actually, my, my uncle has his own garden because he likes to 319 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:22,360 look into details and he's like an odd, but like you say, but 320 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:26,200 it's because of this, it's difficult to, to find well in 321 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,720 animal feed. It's well, it's bought in 322 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,280 Argentina as well. The the cable that you find. 323 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,960 Mostly it's is the big brands. And in Europe we have the 324 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 alternative of the grain free. There is a lot of grain free or 325 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,480 better or premium or anything. But still it's all ultra 326 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,840 process. But when I look at the some of 327 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,960 the products in the US, I really need to like look into very 328 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:54,400 deep, very deep, very thoroughly to find, to make sure that that 329 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,600 food is good. And this is this is something 330 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,560 that concerns me a lot. Yeah, it me too, believe me. 331 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,360 Oh my goodness. Well, I just, I think that we 332 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,720 definitely see our pets are suffering there. 333 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,160 There's no ifs, ands or buts about it. 334 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Like our pets are suffering and we are too. 335 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,000 We just. I think we see it quicker in our 336 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,960 pets because they have a shorter lifespan, they're smaller, they 337 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,080 can't handle the amount of toxins that we can. 338 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:26,400 Like, it's, there's so much to it. 339 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,280 But yeah, I, I kind of want to bring things back around to cats 340 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,280 a little bit because they are, and I know I've talked about 341 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,880 this so many times on the podcast, they are the most toxic 342 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,160 animals on the planet, I believe is the correct way of saying it. 343 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,360 And I think that there are a lot of reasons for that, especially 344 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:48,920 here in the US. They pretty much don't ever get 345 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,640 to go outside. So they're not touching healthy 346 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,040 soil. They're not off gassing or so 347 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,640 like so much smaller than us or even our dogs. 348 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,680 And their paw pads absorb like everything. 349 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,520 So whatever is in that cat litter, just because, you know, 350 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,800 cats do ingest it because they clean themselves, but they're 351 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,200 also getting all of like if it's scented or fragranced or 352 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,680 whatever, like it's all being absorbed in their paw pads. 353 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,400 Whatever chemicals we're using to clean our homes and they're 354 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,520 walking on those surfaces. There's so much in our 355 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,280 environment that is so detrimental to them before we 356 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,760 even start talking about food or vaccines or, you know, 357 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,080 neurotoxic chemicals that we put on them to kill fleas and like 358 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,680 whatever we're doing, they are some of the most toxic animals 359 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,520 on the planet. Maybe they talk most toxic 360 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:45,040 animals on the planet. And it is so sad because to me, 361 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:47,960 and I've I've talked about this with animal communicators that 362 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,480 I've had on in the past. I believe that our cats or our 363 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,160 cats and our dogs, I think are both absolutely incredible, 364 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,240 wonderful, wonderful creatures that I think humans need. 365 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,400 We we need them in our lives. I truly believe that, but in a 366 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,640 different way. And I think cats are very 367 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,440 spiritual creatures. I think cats protect us in more 368 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:15,080 spiritual levels. And I do wonder so much about, I 369 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,600 know for us here in the States, we have fluoride in our water 370 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,640 and that calcifies the pineal gland. 371 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,080 We are not connected to nature. I think that's one of the 372 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,640 biggest reasons why we're not like we don't seek connection to 373 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,720 nature anymore. And I just wonder, like, are we 374 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,160 doing the same things to our cats when I I feel like they're 375 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,240 supposed to be such spiritual creature. 376 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,680 What do you think about that? Well, I do agree there are 377 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,120 actually I was trying to find since there is a lot of local 378 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,640 producers here are artisans that work with wool and wool is one 379 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760 of the most natural fit products. 380 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,520 And actually it's it's not used, it's not properly. 381 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,760 They use it, they trash it, they don't use it. 382 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,720 Wow. And it's free and you have to. 383 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,600 I've been, that's why I started doing toys for cats with wool 384 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,160 because wool is one of the most natural products you can get. 385 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,880 Before you treat it, of course you has to be plain and cool. 386 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,480 But not only we have the toxins of the cleaning products that we 387 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,160 have or the fabrics which our couches are made, because most 388 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,320 couches have that. It's a product they put to avoid 389 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,040 ignition. Yeah, there's like fire 390 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,320 retardants, but there's also like stain guards. 391 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,200 And so, yeah, they do a lot of different things. 392 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,880 They do and most of them are plastic or contain a lot of 393 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,880 plastic, so that's one thing. Then you have all the sense that 394 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,320 when I, when I started having cats and I decided to remove and 395 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:53,080 use only natural scents and things like that, everything is 396 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,240 scented. Once you realize that when you, 397 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,720 when you're going to wash your, your clothes, when you're going 398 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,600 to do any, everything is over. My, my, my sense of smell is so, 399 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,240 so sensitive now because I removed all those things. 400 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,280 Then you have the electricity, the radiation where the water, 401 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,280 you know where or the, the, the, the water runs around your 402 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,240 house, the electricity and the radiation from the Wi-Fi. 403 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,760 So there's no scape. I mean, there is a lot even if 404 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,800 you if they want to get the sunlight in through the windows, 405 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,680 they don't get the benefit from the real sunlight that they 406 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,880 would get outside. So, so cats are a very powerful 407 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,760 machine, as you say. I do also believe they protect 408 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,400 the spiritual world and as dogs are more physical and they they 409 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,120 they, they share with you like a journey of I get more physical 410 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,800 journey of you being connected to her that they take you 411 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,040 outside. I think cats take you inwards. 412 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:02,400 And and if you see how we evolved with cats, they were 413 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,480 always a symbolic thing. You know, you loved it, you 414 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,480 hated it. They were associated with all 415 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,080 religious things. They were associated with 416 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,760 symbolism, symbol of wealth as well with women. 417 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:19,840 But on the other hand, dogs allowed us to survive because we 418 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,840 were able to sit down, cultivate and have groups and tribes and 419 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,640 because you we had the protection of dogs. 420 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,520 So it's a completely different evolution. 421 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,920 So it's understandable as well. All the myths surrounding cats. 422 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,440 It is normal to have culturally develop these fears of this 423 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,920 respect because, you know, it's a symbol. 424 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,560 You never got the chance to actually connect with them. 425 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,960 And I can tell, I can see that it's fearful because they they 426 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,360 push you to look inwards and not, not all people want to do 427 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:57,600 that. So it's really hard. 428 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,280 And when you when you start doing that and you realize that 429 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,600 your home is a hazard. Yeah, everywhere. 430 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,920 Very much so. It's very difficult because you 431 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,480 cannot sometimes you were renting, you cannot do a 432 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,040 sanctuary everywhere you go or you cannot change and vibrate 433 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,480 really high frequencies to to get it done. 434 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,000 So it's really difficult. I used to believe that cats 435 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,800 were, well, indoor. And now, now I don't what are we 436 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,000 doing or whether we move to the countryside and leave it 437 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,280 connected to nature. And then we have cats. 438 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,600 And that would be the perfect life for me, for them. 439 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,760 But at the same time, if you see the situation, at least here in, 440 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,160 in Spain, you will see that there's a lot of predators. 441 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,440 You know, we not only ruin the indoor life with all the 442 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,920 technologies and all the things we do, but outside the outside 443 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,080 world is actually very dangerous because there are no ecosystems, 444 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,920 you know, And so we blame them to be the very, very high. 445 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,000 How do you say this? They kill the the phone around 446 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,360 they, they, and for fun, you know. 447 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,080 Sometimes they kill our birds. Yeah, people don't like that 448 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,400 they kill the birds. But, and I think, yeah, I think 449 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,240 other wildlife is honestly the least of our concerns when it 450 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680 comes to cats. Like, yes, there are wolves, 451 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,920 there are coyotes, there are mountain lions. 452 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,400 There are like, there are certainly risks in the world for 453 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,560 cats in general, but I think humans are the biggest threat to 454 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800 cats living outside with, you know, our neighborhoods, with 455 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,520 traffic, with. With the kids playing with 456 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600 stones and throwing at the cats. Yeah, like it's just and and 457 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000 then we don't want them living behind shopping center, you 458 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,280 know, I mean, there's, I think humans are the biggest, biggest 459 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,600 cats living outdoors. But at the same time, since we, 460 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,920 we destroyed the ecosystem and we don't have that variety that 461 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,480 it's needed, we, we bring more diseases. 462 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,480 So if they, if a cat feeds on, on a migratory bird or if they 463 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,920 have, you know, a rat, even you don't know if somebody else 464 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760 actually put a poison on that, on that rat. 465 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,200 So there are there are many, many risks outside that. 466 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,120 Of course, there are a whole human caused, but there are some 467 00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,080 risks because of it. And when they say that they are 468 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,440 predators and they kill a lot of birds a year, they are 469 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,680 forgetting that indoor there's no excitement, there's not the 470 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,840 right food, there is no nothing. Because if you see a lot of 471 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720 because well, I have in front of my house, I have like a space 472 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,400 with like 10 cats and they don't they don't take more than they 473 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760 need. They use, they know how to use 474 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,720 the enough resources that they need and that's it. 475 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,080 And they reproduce accordingly to the resources that they have. 476 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,600 We're trying to control because we make, we are making it wrong. 477 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,400 We are making the wrong outside and inside and our solutions. 478 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080 I do believe that this is the only solution we have at the 479 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600 moment. Like for example, the capture, 480 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,840 neutering and release, those are solutions for me are temporary 481 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,800 solutions. We have this issue. 482 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,120 We destroyed ecosystems. We have to acknowledge that we 483 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,200 have this solution at the moment, but there is we had to 484 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,800 have another plan for the future, let's say for 20 years. 485 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,800 I don't it doesn't matter. But we need to look into other 486 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,800 ways to restore those ecosystems so we don't have to turn into 487 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760 these things. So I believe cats have like 488 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240 this. They are misinterpret, they are 489 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,640 not understood. They and we tend to blame loads 490 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,320 of things on them. And yes, they are the most 491 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320 toxic. And yeah, poor cats. 492 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600 I know, I know. Well, and to go back to what you 493 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,840 were talking about, it sounds like a better way to treat cats 494 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,080 because they are, in my opinion, and I know Jay and Adrian 495 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160 always, every time I say this, they're like, how dare you. 496 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160 But I I say it because I believe it's true. 497 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,440 And I feel like it is more difficult to raise a cat than a 498 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200 dog. And they both have their 499 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,040 challenges, But for a cat, I just feel like they it, it's 500 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,760 trying to force anything on them is so much more difficult. 501 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,960 So a dog you can hide a pill and you know, a piece of meat or 502 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,160 syringe something into their mouths. 503 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,000 You can, you know, they'll sit there and let you trim their 504 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,600 nails even if they don't like it. 505 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,480 Like you can work around things with dogs, with cats, you really 506 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,160 they, they need to trust you. And even when they do, there's 507 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,760 not a good chance you're going to get cooperation from them for 508 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600 anything. So the idea I would like for you 509 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,040 to explain a little bit more about what Sue Pharmacognosy is 510 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,480 and how you utilize that. OK, well I'm going to. 511 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:31,440 I'm going to agree with Jason because every time I have to 512 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,400 treat a dog because sometimes I get friends that ask me 513 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800 questions or for me they are not that easy. 514 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,440 I experienced, actually the best experience I had, it was with 515 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240 pit bulls that, you know, we surprised, but they're very good 516 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,640 patients. They're they're amazing ones. 517 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,240 Yeah. And with cats, what I learned 518 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,480 is, is that what I said before about the energy that you have? 519 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,280 And it's not about, of course, dogs have this service 520 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,800 motivation that the, you know, they, they always going to try 521 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 to please you. And cats don't, they don't have 522 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480 that. So that is why you may find it 523 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,920 easier to deal with them. But there is a way with cats, if 524 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,840 you not only they learn to trust you, but you learn to control 525 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,920 yourself and forget about expectations, what they actually 526 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,440 want from you and what makes them feel safe. 527 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560 It's you being 100% in the present. 528 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080 That's how you manage. Because I my cat, not the one 529 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160 that's probably going to walk away in a moment, but she's 530 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,760 right here. My other cat was aggressive. 531 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840 There was a reactive and a very aggressive. 532 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560 And yes, I started with a towel going around and throwing, 533 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,600 trying to trim the nails like that. 534 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,440 But with work, with a lot of work nowadays, I call him with a 535 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120 treat. I cut. 536 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,040 So I cut one hand and then he goes and I said OK. 537 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120 We stop and then I give him a treat. 538 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200 I distract him and I said OK. But I'm not. 539 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440 I'm not even trying to please him at all. 540 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,440 I'm just trying him to forget, calm down, just the information. 541 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,160 Nothing happened. I'm alive, everything is fine. 542 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,400 And then I go back. I grab him and say OK the other 543 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,240 hand. Come on. 544 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040 And then again. And I did that with pills. 545 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040 I can syringe, I can give anything. 546 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960 Every time he tries, he tries to avoid, he runs away a little 547 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800 bit. And then he said, OK, she's 548 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,720 going to get me. Right. 549 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,480 Yeah. But all of this came with a lot 550 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240 of work, and when I'm thinking about it, I'm not already 551 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,160 thinking that it's going to be difficult. 552 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200 I've learned to be totally in the present. 553 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,120 Totally. I'm not thinking about anything 554 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,600 else that you're going to take this and if you don't, then if 555 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120 you don't, I'll think about it, why you didn't want this. 556 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,280 But at that time I'm just thinking on that and that that's 557 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040 what made it made it easier for me. 558 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,400 Talking about the pharmacognacy, which is the the ability animals 559 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,280 have to self medicate. You can offer them. 560 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400 That's a really good way to offer nature for indoor cats. 561 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,280 You can allow them to release certain things. 562 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,239 There she goes. You allow them to to touch into 563 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,400 those medicines and and tell you how they are feeling 564 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,400 emotionally, physically, if there is something going on, you 565 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,760 know, because even even they can choose things that they are 566 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,199 potentially toxic for them. But if they are choosing them, 567 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520 it's something in there that they need. 568 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,400 Yeah, most people would would get confused and say, oh, yeah, 569 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840 but my cat eats any plant, right? 570 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560 And he goes around and he's eating this plant and that 571 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000 planted. He's not selecting anything. 572 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,400 So when I started asking about what plants do they have? 573 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,280 And this, this happened to me once they have a bonsai of a 574 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,840 it's a plan I can remember now. It's, it's a plan used for 575 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,720 arthritis. It's a tree. 576 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,600 It's a tree that it's used for arthritis. 577 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,600 And she told me, she told me that, that what the bonsai was. 578 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,280 And I said to, to her, well, we need to look into arthritis 579 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,040 plans, plans for treating arthritis. 580 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,840 And he selected three of them. Wow. 581 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,440 So once we started treating the arthritis, he stopped eating the 582 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,400 bonsai. Wow. 583 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,760 I saw this for example, cats with digestive issues that you 584 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,200 will see that they will take plastic or they will, they will 585 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,400 choose to chew on well most plastic have a little bit of 586 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,080 potato starch, you know, so sometimes it's not what they 587 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,920 they are looking for. But some other cats will eat 588 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,480 bread commercial and very ultra processed bread. 589 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,400 So if you have that, you may need to look into the digestive 590 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,960 system. There's something going on 591 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,960 because that's not normal for them. 592 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920 And when you start eating them, they will stop eating the bread 593 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040 and so on. So you can, you can just simply 594 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,080 go and say, OK, I can use valerian root catnip or any 595 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,440 normal herbs around. You can use cat gardens. 596 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680 There are around some people that do this, you can 597 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160 individualize and do a session for them. 598 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,480 I used to do that for behavioral problems. 599 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,280 And most of the times I, I was surprised of the result. 600 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,400 I, I was expected, you know, you kind of put your expectation and 601 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160 said this is the problem. So I'm going to select this and 602 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040 suddenly they can't choose something completely different, 603 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,720 right? So it's kind of a really nice 604 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,400 experience. You allowed them to release a 605 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,800 little bit to do the grounding that they are not allowed to do 606 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,880 because they live indoor. Cats that have access to the 607 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,800 outside usually won't select as much. 608 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,840 Sometimes you need to tap into essential oils because they 609 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,120 already have the dry herbs or the plants or anything outside. 610 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,240 So it's not the same experience for all. 611 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,520 And if you've tried already a garden, you bought it and then 612 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,400 the cat's not selecting anything, then even that is an 613 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160 answer of why it's not selecting. 614 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,400 It's not selecting because it's not sending anything. 615 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,680 He's doesn't doesn't want to. He's anxious of other things. 616 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,600 Are you doing it with another cat? 617 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:50,840 So everything, once you put nature for them, if they are not 618 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680 selecting things, they are disconnected. 619 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,760 So you need. So everything you do with the 620 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:02,760 pharmacognosy allows you to have a broader spectrum of what what 621 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,320 the problems might be. And This is why I loved it so 622 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320 much. It's so fascinating to me and I, 623 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,240 I never implemented it until the first time I spoke with Rita 624 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,400 Hogan, who was a canine herbalist. 625 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,080 And it really is so incredibly interesting. 626 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,480 And I did notice what you said about being disconnected, like 627 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,320 that's kind of how I felt my dog was. 628 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,200 I feel like my cats are better at selecting and I and I and I 629 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,440 felt like my dog was less so. So we've been working on that. 630 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280 But it is very, very interesting. 631 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,120 But I want to switch gears a little bit and go back to the 632 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,400 beginning where we were talking about sound, because I know 633 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,720 you've mentioned that music is your other passion. 634 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,520 Your cat behind you is just adorable. 635 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,160 Your other passion is music. And I know that you have put out 636 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,080 some lullabies that people can purchase that are specifically 637 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,360 created for cats. And I would just love to hear a 638 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,840 little bit about how you use sound therapy in your practice 639 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,440 and how you created what these lullabies are for. 640 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680 OK, this is something very new. Actually. 641 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,280 They are not yet recorded. We are, I have three of them and 642 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,320 but my goal is to teach, to teach people how to use their 643 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,520 voice in a way that it's relaxing for, for their cats. 644 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,680 And the best way to do it is through lullabies because it's 645 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,280 something that it's already in our systems. 646 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,960 We and when I say lullaby, it doesn't have to be a song to 647 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,520 rest or sleep or you know, it's not that the point. 648 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,520 The point of lullabies is that it connects you to your yourself 649 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,960 when you were a baby and your mother will sing to you in a 650 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,640 repetitive way in a certain tone and it had a frequency and it 651 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920 becomes kind of a language, a universal language that can be 652 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,240 transmitted to a baby. Does it that it hasn't developed 653 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,120 language yet, but still the baby connects to it. 654 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,640 So it doesn't make any difference if that baby is a 655 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,560 cat. Actually, you can do it with 656 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,160 dogs as well. So the important thing is how 657 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,840 you do it. What I'm doing now is to record 658 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,280 this three lullaby, which contains certain words that 659 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040 empower you because you are the only one who is going to 660 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,920 understand. But the idea is for you to 661 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,880 connect with those words, to connect repeatedly and create 662 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160 that bond with your cat by using them. 663 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,760 It's kind of like a mantra, but for me, mantras are very it's, 664 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160 it's part of, I respect them so much. 665 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,760 I believe that they are made for specific purposes. 666 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,320 So if you are very aligned to that and you like to sing 667 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,320 mantras, great that you can use mantras because it's the same 668 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,720 process. But I think for everybody, 669 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440 that's my goal, that every single cat or dog parent, they 670 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:14,000 should tap into what they listen as as a kid, as a baby, to 671 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,040 connect now with their pets. And there's a lot of scientific 672 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,880 research on how lullabies should be, how they create this safe 673 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,840 space, how the nervous system develops. 674 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,920 And this is aligned to immune immunity. 675 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,000 And it helps to relax, it helps to adapt to environment much 676 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,960 better. So imagine if you rescue cats, 677 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,800 that will be something really good to do because you're going 678 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000 to become the mother, right? So instead of becoming those 679 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,400 worried mothers, mothers that we, we are, you know, like, are 680 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,120 you doing this? I always, and I am one of those 681 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,560 because when I work, when I work with cats and I was, you know, 682 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,760 you get desperate when things go wrong. 683 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,880 So if you get into this, it's a very simple exercise. 684 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,200 So what I'm offering at the moment is teach you how to use 685 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,720 your voice properly, how to connect and how to create that 686 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,760 space. So when my lullabies are finally 687 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,640 out, you can get and sing them or you can sing anything in your 688 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,880 own native language that you remember, right? 689 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,120 That's another option. But the important thing is how 690 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,120 to be present and how to do it. And that's that's what I'm 691 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,160 teaching because that's what I've learned as a singer, how to 692 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680 how to do that, how to breathe properly. 693 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,280 And it's going to also improve your life because if you speak 694 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,200 better, if you you're heard because your voice is out there, 695 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,600 you're going to have better relationships as well. 696 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520 This is kind of a benefit to all of us. 697 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,960 And that's one of the things then sound therapy, as you say, 698 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,760 before the classical music, classical music has a lot of 699 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,280 effects, positive effects of and and it's and if you look at the 700 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,880 had the special, how do you call the music sheet, right? 701 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,600 If you look at the classical music, it's not jazz. 702 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,320 It doesn't have all the craziness that we developed over 703 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,480 the modern music. It's very specific and it 704 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,960 contains certain things are accepted and some others that 705 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,880 don't that are not. So the same structure applies. 706 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,520 But then there was David Day that decided to add to that 707 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,960 classical music a little bit of the sounds that the animal is 708 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,880 accustomed to. So for example, he developed 709 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,360 music for cats. He's a cellist and he he did 710 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,320 music for cats where he added the the suckling, the purring 711 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,680 and everything that a baby hears when they are near the mother 712 00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,520 and added it to classical music. And he got much better results 713 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,440 from it. So he said he started with this 714 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560 new concept of species appropriate music. 715 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,320 Wow. Yeah. 716 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,080 And so I use that as well. So if I want to combine it. 717 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,160 And then you have bioacoustics as well, which is the sound of 718 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,040 nature. When you walk around in nature, 719 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,960 you have certain sounds, maybe you are not aware of them, but 720 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,480 those sounds are working on you and then you feel refreshed, you 721 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,040 feel better. There is one, at least I know 722 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,880 one in Spain doing it. It's called Sound and Life. 723 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,680 And she does apply bioacoustics, which she goes around the world, 724 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,320 records things in a specific time and place. 725 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,000 She measures the frequencies of it and tells you what? 726 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920 What are they good for? I had seen, oh, I wish I could 727 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320 find, I haven't seen it in a while because you know how 728 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,440 social media algorithms go, they're always changing. 729 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,920 But I used to see, I think it was on TikTok. 730 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040 There was somebody, I'm sure there are more, but there was 731 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,560 somebody. They have like device where they 732 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,560 click one, They're two different clips that you can clip to like 733 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,320 a plant or something and then you can hear the frequency of 734 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,320 that plant and how different they all are. 735 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,680 It's amazing. It's also very calming and 736 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,080 soothing and I'm like, this is just incredible. 737 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,360 Yeah, and they play with with fruits, they touch with fruits 738 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,000 and they play music with it. And yeah, those are a bit. 739 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,960 The only problem with those is that the sound they create is a. 740 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,840 It's too meaty. So it's a sound that is a bit 741 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,480 artificial, though it's a frequency and and it's all that. 742 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,480 It's tapping into different electric fields around. 743 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,720 So it creates a sound from it, but it's a bit artificial. 744 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,080 The best is to go to nature and measure those frequencies. 745 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,760 Those are the best you can use. Actually, later this couple of 746 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,640 weeks, I've been using one of the sounds just because I had 747 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520 trouble sleeping for a few days and I decided to put the sounds 748 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,040 and not only slept better, a lot better, but I had like this 749 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,040 feeling this. I woke up very well, you know, 750 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,840 like not only rested but also happy, you know, content and and 751 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,080 I looked at because I chose it just, you know, before I go to 752 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,080 sleep, I have like several sounds from her and I chose one 753 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,760 that it's ocean. It's an ocean in a specific 754 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,440 place. I don't remember exactly where, 755 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,160 but she has different water sounds and you have to play them 756 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,040 very in a very low volume. Some of them are to be applied 757 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,600 topically for, for example, arthritis or pain. 758 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,520 You have others because sometimes you listen to certain 759 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,560 sounds and you feel uncomfortable and if that you 760 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,800 have to remove it. So it has a really powerful 761 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,160 effect for you. And then she has a lot. 762 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,320 And now I'm trying to help her to translate things because I 763 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,400 want her to reach first because she has a very interesting work. 764 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,280 So my participation in all this sound therapy and all the things 765 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,920 I've been trying, I've been trying also singing and I went 766 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,240 to gong bounced baths, but every time I tried to use those, the 767 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,960 cats will simply disappear. They're like, no, that's that's 768 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,160 wrong. That's just wrong. 769 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,520 We're not doing that. So I know some people use it and 770 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,320 they have really good, maybe they have different than they've 771 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,720 tried. I just simply my experiments 772 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,920 with singing bowls and all this harmonically developed 773 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920 instruments. I've seen cats sometimes 774 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,080 comfortable, sometimes not that for me, the voice is one of the 775 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,920 things I can control and I know and I understand and I know the 776 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,080 benefit of it because my personal growth was around that. 777 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,880 So I'm actually also learned light language and soul song, 778 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,400 which is kind of the the song that you meditate and you 779 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,480 connect and you're your challenge your own soul to 780 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400 produce a sound. And all of those things allow 781 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,480 you to connect deeper and deeper. 782 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,440 I can tell you if you learn how to use your voice, you can 783 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,200 communicate with the cats and dogs. 784 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,560 I can tell more about cats, but any other species? 785 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,920 Much much better. It really is amazing. 786 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,120 I was reminded as you were talking about it earlier, 787 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,280 there's many, I'm sure channels on YouTube, but there's one in 788 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,280 particular that my husband watches and this guy goes out 789 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,640 into a crowded area, a public area, and plays the guitar and 790 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640 has a sign that says sing with me for free. 791 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,680 And he always said people come up and they choose the song and 792 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,840 he plays the guitar and they sing and he always asks them 793 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,640 when they're done with the song. How do you feel now that you've 794 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,200 sung? And everybody 100% of the time 795 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,760 across the board says I feel better or I feel amazing or like 796 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440 it really. It does something inside of us 797 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,320 that I don't know if we even really completely understand it, 798 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560 but it definitely changes us for the better. 799 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,120 And the words we use. Sometimes you don't understand 800 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,040 the language you're singing, but you understand the emotion 801 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,640 behind it and suddenly you connect to it. 802 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,520 There is a lot of power in in voice. 803 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,280 If you're listening out there and you think, oh, but I Can't 804 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,680 Sing. I'm like, if I sing, you know, 805 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,560 because that's the usual I get. I would say everybody can sing. 806 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,960 All the tribes, all, you know, around the world, all the tribes 807 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,760 used to sing without any judgment. 808 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,800 The problem is the judgment we created in our minds about it. 809 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,400 And if you cannot get the note right, it's because you're 810 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,960 overthinking it. That's the only thing. 811 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,360 If you connect with the breathing, if you simply try, 812 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,000 you know, not trying to get the notes, simply go around sing 813 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,840 without thinking about it, you're going to get it right. 814 00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,040 So it's not impossible and the idea of singing right better or 815 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,200 it's very commercial. It's not a good voice. 816 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,040 I've heard many good voices around. 817 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,440 They're not commercial. They are not going to sell a CD 818 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,520 ever in their lives. And some others that have that, 819 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,400 you know, that pop and thing that it's very popular. 820 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,760 They're going to sell CDs and they're, well, CDs. 821 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,440 Not anymore. But it's a lot of songs and and 822 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,640 it's because of it's popular, it's not necessarily the best 823 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000 voice. So we need to make a 824 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,880 distinguished and start and stop judging about it. 825 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,840 I think that's a good place to end when not judging yourself 826 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,800 and just feeling into it. And yeah, because I think we 827 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,560 could all use that in our lives to just free ourselves from all 828 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,760 the judgment. I think we place so much more on 829 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,440 ourselves than the outside world ever would place on us. 830 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,960 So where can people find you can find Felvet? 831 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,400 Where can they go to like learn more and follow you and all the 832 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,480 things? They will find me on 833 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,720 felvet.co.uk Felvet for cats in most social media. 834 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,800 And if you tap on the Hard Cut and Soul podcast, it's fairly 835 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,920 new. The Spanish one is much more 836 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,640 advanced, but hard cut and soul. I will start again on February 837 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,320 because I'm now in the holiday time, but I'm, I'm going to 838 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,800 start again in February. And that's, those are the 839 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360 places. And if you if you speak Spanish, 840 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,320 then just stop my name and you'll find the same website, 841 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,880 misbindle.com and you'll find everything in Spanish as well. 842 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,280 Awesome. And all of that will be in the 843 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,480 show notes for you guys. So I want to thank you again so 844 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,000 much for coming on and sharing your story and helping us learn 845 00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,880 a little bit more about what you do and how it can improve the 846 00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000 lives of our pets. So thank you so much. 847 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,560 Thank you for allowing me to share everything too. 848 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,840 So thank you too. Awesome. 849 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,680 You guys have a wonderful rest of your day. 850 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,760 Please give your pets some extra love from me and Doctor Amaya 851 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,640 this week and I will talk to you next week. 852 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,280 What?