Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me Mistress.
I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, and today I bring you Safra
Master and his beloved wife, Lady Petra.
How are you today? We're great.
Thanks for having us. Really appreciate it.
Absolutely. I think that we can start by
saying you 2 are kind of like the ideal fetish couple.
Well, that's very sweet of you. Really.
It's. True.
It's true. Follow you on Fetlife.
We're friends there, but over the last, I think it's been
three years since we talked and we interviewed one another for
our for our podcast. I've always looked at your feet.
I've always enjoyed it and it's been really diverse and unique
at the same time. I, I see the switch in both of
you and it's like one day I see Safra Master and his chastity
and the next, you know, I see Titty Tuesday for Lady Petra.
No, it's true. Our, our journey has been, let's
say it's not been static. You know, it's a process of
evolution. Both aspects of of being a
switch, you know, being neutral about things.
Yeah, our our viewpoint is that we're sexual creatures and the
curiosity that we have is in discovering what where our
arousal lives for each other. You know, and for me, it was
never really about being a dominant or being a submissive
as much as it is about finding ways to please my partner that
align with my own arousal, if that makes sense.
And always a living in an authentic experience of our
sexuality. Yeah, I would say so too.
I think like we've transformed over the years and I think where
we're at now is more in a like sacred sexuality or well,
transcendent sexuality because it's, it doesn't feel like
there's any context for gender or role.
It's just this kind of like yin Yang kind of ebb and flow of
each other in the actual moment of being with each other.
So that could mean anything. And, you know, I'm a bit of a
hedonist, so I'm going to gravitate the things that I
enjoy more more, you know? That is, yeah, very evident on
your profiles. Yeah.
So. So you all have been doing the
kinky cocktail hour for what, the last three years?
No, we're going into our seventh season.
Oh wow. OK.
We started right before COVID hit.
We actually, we're very fortunate in a way, because
about a month after we started podcasting, the we got the
lockdown from COVID began. And at that point, you know, we
were exploring our sexuality in ADS dynamic from a completely
different place. So to set a masochistic place
and we would see it and then podcast every day.
And that's what sort of what got us started was the conversations
we were having after we seemed, and we kept saying, you know,
these are great conversations. We should record them and then
we should podcast them. And then one day we just said,
what the hell, we'll podcast them.
And yeah, we were so surprised, you know, because we had 100
people following us and then 1000.
And then all of a sudden we've got like 600,000 downloads, you
know what I'm saying? Yeah.
And we've done like, I want to say 1000 episodes now, maybe
1100. But going into our seventh
season, eventually we started interviewing others.
You know, we were having our own conversation about sexuality.
And so we wanted to hear what is the conversation other people
are having about sexuality. And so it became just this way
of back in an inquiry that journey that we were on when
forming our own journey by talking to other kingsters.
And, you know, we learned a lot. We learned a lot about things we
weren't interested in and we learned about things we were
interested in. And we took some of the things
we were interested in and incorporated them into our play.
And, you know, some of those things persist and some of them
have sort of sort of fallen away.
And where we are right now, kinky as we are, and we're
pretty kinky. I mean, you know, she dresses me
in panty, you know, pages sometimes.
I mean, it's all very random. But kinky as we are, it isn't.
We don't think of kink as our like happy place, although as
king, as kingsters, we, we were given the room to explore inside
of agreements that we made and boundaries we had established
and we got to explore. Like what is it that impact
player, for example, brings to the table?
Or what is it that hypnosis or hypno king brings to the table?
But, you know, somewhere in there we fell in love and that
changed the conversation completely because now all of a
sudden we're interacting not as kingsters, but as lovers who
happen to also have kinky fetishes, if that makes sense.
And so that changes everything. And so, you know, we've been
together for seven years almost to the day.
And I, I'll just say this has been the happiest 7 years of my
life. It's been incredible.
Oh yeah. Bar none.
Yeah. Wonderful.
I know that whenever I go back and I'll check our ratings on
any type of podcast forum like the feed spot and and different
things like that, you know, we are always neck and neck
together. That's good.
All of our ratings. I'm like, oh, kinky cocktail
hour. Oh, misters, Mia, that's so.
Great. Yeah, I I stopped looking at
ratings a while back, but you bring up the point we got a
thing from I wanna say Spotify, maybe it's for.
Rap, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Don't you? Love that.
I love those things. What I loved about it was it
told us that people who treated podcast listen, share it, have
conversations, comment, you know that the listeners are engaged,
which I really. Very much.
Yeah, How long have you been podcasting?
Oh, it's been almost four years I am, you know, but I haven't
been fortunate enough to find that perfect Co host.
Yeah, I I'm not bringing my lover in on the podcast like the
two of you, but yeah, it's like, it was like my first Co host.
We were just kind of starting. But she's very serious.
I'm not serious, you know, And then I had John on and John was
like overly funny and I'm not overly funny and and it was just
like, it's just, it just didn't click.
And so if. I had the right energies.
You do, you really do, Yeah. You just have to mesh with that
person. And it's sometimes it's just you
just don't mesh well. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. I will say, though, that, you
know, podcasting aside, our journey as sexual creatures,
it's been a steady journey and we literally play every day.
We have for seven years and you, you know, for us to be able to
keep up that intensity of our energy, there has to be a lot of
positivity in our experience. You know, and I think the thing
that we discovered more than anything was that kink.
Let me say this again, the thing that we've discovered more than
anything is that communication is our kink.
And the reality is, is that because we're in communication
in such an open and consistent way and, and we have it like
there's nothing wrong and we get to talk about what there is to
talk about around our scenes. We've always been able to just
keep the energy alive. And that's, I think that's been
the most like illuminating thing from the from the whole
experience to me. Yeah.
When you just connect, you just connect.
Right. You know, and it's effortless.
Yes, I do. I do think, I think also the
context of creating really living into creating each other
newly each day that this is the day we're in right now, not
yesterday or two weeks from now or it's not about looking
forward to something. It's about what are we up to
right now. And being that present we found
is the juice for everything, for the access to everything.
Like as soon as those occurrences begin happening, I
mean, orgasms changed and opened up a spectrum of orgasms that
wasn't at the buffet before. And now they are purely because,
yes, I have a wonderful partner. But I think particularly because
women are blessed with the ability for this, I think a much
on a greater scale than men. We can experience the world in
ways that are if we can open ourselves up and be vulnerable
to that. And you have to have the right
circumstances and partners. But I think there are things
there I'm seeing now or experiencing that weren't there
at all. Not even, you know, And I'm in
my 50s. I'm not even in my 20s.
We're there. I'm more vibrant now, more
sexualized, more aware of my own sexuality to engage in a way
where I get the biggest bang for my buck basically out of every
experience. And I think that power for women
is paramount. Absolutely, and when you have
perfect tits like yours, I mean. They definitely are the perfect.
They are perfect. It just reinforces what you say.
Yeah, our journey evolved so rapidly once we decided to get
married that I wrote the book Hard Married because we looked
at what was the journey and how did we navigate that journey to
get here? Because where we are is an
amazing place and we think it's accessible to everybody.
But we we believe that people step over some of the important
steps to get there. Like they sort of they want to
get there, but they don't want to do the, let's call it work,
but it's not really work. It's really just the engagement
in the, the relationship. So.
So I basically wrote the manual for how to have what we have and
yeah. It's my love letter.
It's a love letter. Yeah, I saw that.
It's on lulu.com. Yeah, exactly.
I'll send you the link so. Yeah, yeah, I saw your link on
fat and I'll certainly post that as well for people to read
that'd. Be cool.
I I think the best thing to, like you said it, it's so
essential that you have this connection when you're married
and that you can share it with your partner because far too
often in this lifestyle, people, they're married and they can't
play together. They don't, Yeah.
They're not on the same level. They have different kinks and
you know, it just happens that way, but it's just kind of sad.
I think it's true for any partnering.
You don't have to be married to be hard married, right?
No, it's really just the. It's that hard commitment.
It's, it's the, it's the connection, the relatedness, the
commitment, the communication, the listening, right?
Like there's a lot of different ways we engage with each other
and all of those ways are important in any relationship
you have that involves intimacy. You know, you've because if you
can't step forward in a completely authentic way, if
you're putting forward a, let's call it an act or a character,
then you're not really with that person.
You know, you're not, you're just, you're just being an act,
being a character actor. And The thing is that it's so
easy for people to get into a place where what they're telling
themselves about this sexual experience isn't what was
actually happening in the sexual experience.
They're just telling themselves about things that were
happening. So now they have this story
about how it goes, and all of a sudden there's space between two
people that shouldn't be there. And I think if you're married,
it's more important because the cultural overlay, like if you
look at the cultural overlay, it's a very particular paradigm.
That barrage is culturally right.
It's like this made into this huge thing.
It's a very kinky experience when you think about it.
The bride's being gifted to the groom kind of thing.
You're putting a ring on like a collar.
Like it's all of it's all of this kind of imagery, but none
of the work is there. None of the actual, you know,
interpersonal connection is there that allows the individual
to be in the relationship completely, if that makes sense.
So the divorce rate's like 50%, right?
So it's not working. If.
If you get second married, it's like 60%.
If you get third married, it's like 70%.
So we don't have the skills to do this right.
So this is where This is why these skills are so valuable
because it teaches you as an individual how to engage with
your marriage in the present right now with your partner,
like collectively working on something together around at all
aspects of marriage. It's it's all aspects.
It's not just the sexuality, but that's a very important part
because if that's not there, you know, it goes away pretty
quickly. I think that a kinky couple for
AI think for a kinky couple, it's even more important because
not all kinky couples are monogamous, right?
There's a lot of open sexuality in kink, and you have to have
communication for that to work. You really do, You know, you
know, on the podcast right now, we're reading Sex at Dawn.
Oh yeah, yeah. Which is a really great book.
It's it, but it talks a lot about early human sexuality and
about how people related to each other and, and how there's that
this more of egalitarian way of being and what's happened since
agriculture is that's all gone. And so we've gotten away from
what our instincts tell us sexually should happen, and
we're now living inside of a societal construct that no
longer supports the the normal sexuality.
That's why we have, you know, so much infidelity and so much like
anxiety about sexuality and relationships.
And I think it's also unnecessary because it comes
down to just this very simple thing.
When you're sitting with another person and you're talking to
them, you have to be authentically yourself and they
have to be authentically themselves and you have to be
there together. And then you can have like the
kick is hardest sex that you can for as long as you can.
We literally have the hottest sex everyday that we've ever had
for seven years. That's what's so weird.
I feel like it's not weird. It's actually fantastic, but it
it feels completely out of sorts because it's not like I'm
looking forward to, oh, when we go on this vacation, you know, I
build up in my head that's going to be the big sex moment.
You know, we're going to be in this location and we're going to
be able to do these things or whatever.
Right now it's like every day is like, Oh my God, that was the
best ever. And it because I'm present it,
it's the only thing that exists. So it really is.
It's not even like lying to yourself or passing it off as
something else. It's in that moment we created
that kind of experience that's magical.
And then tomorrow I get to do it again.
And the next day and the next day and it.
And when you start living like that, it's endless possibility.
Yeah, we'll have to say every day is a party, right?
So we get high, we have sex, we have a great cocktail, we have a
great dinner, we curl up in the couch and watch our show, go to
bed, right? Every day is a party and we
treat every day like it's the only day that exists.
You know, like tomorrow may not come.
We'll make it hit by a meteorite and then hit the volcano.
If the Yellowstone goes, we're all gone.
So yeah, so we just we just live into each day as if it's the
only existent day that ever will occur ever.
And this the last day, you know that there is.
So we're going to take like the we got to say we use the whole
day up, right? That's kind of our strategy in
our sexuality. It's our strategy in the way we
eat. It's our strategy in exploring
cocktails. It's, it's our strategy and
just, you know, being out in nature together, you know, like
we literally operate by trying to be present at all times.
That's wonderful, It really is. Do you, do you see, though, that
so many couples right now, they're going into Poly
relationships? You know, we do, you know, we've
heard, we've heard from a lot of people, we've talked to some
Poly people over the years and you know, we've, we've had our
own inquiry about it as well, right?
We've had an inquiry about like, is it, is it appropriate?
Is it appropriate for us in the way we operate for us to like
engage in another person at the level of intensity that we
engage at? Is, is there room for that in
our life? And we decided for us, it's not
a thing. That's not to say that other
people don't benefit from that kind of experience, right?
For sure. Our inquiry was like, well, you
know, what am I going to gain by doing that that I'm not already
experiencing over here? But it's also true.
Like, you know, there are certain certainly circumstances
where people love each other, but one person's kinks.
Don't. Align, don't align with the
others. And for that reason, you know,
we took have a lot of couple friends where for that reason,
the the one partner goes out and gets their kids satisfied over
there. And that's fine, you know, and.
Some are, some of them it's just kink.
It's not even sexualized. It's just it's it's a need.
Typically it comes off by masochists expressing this,
particularly if it's a male masochist and his wife is not
feeling like they want to be dominant in that way.
And that they I've, I've had it where there's been full
agreements where they just go over here, they get the service
of the beatings that they need, whatever fills their bucket.
And then they come back and they have their completely other type
of sex or other intimacy with their with their life.
Yeah. And then we have people that
are, I also go over, oh, it's an open relation.
I go over here and I have a full buffet over here and I also get
to come home. But this is my primary partner.
And I just think if it if there's good communication, if
it works for a couple or three summer or what have you, I think
that's great. I don't really want to yuck on
anyone's Yum. I just want to be able to.
I think my experience has been not as much what other people
are doing and should I keep up with the Joneses or whatever to
to supposedly have this great experience, right?
What I'm learning is my great experiences is where I feel the
most comfortable and self expressed.
And so I'm trying to stay in my lane and there's other people in
other lanes, you know, obviously.
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong. I don't think there's anything
wrong with, you know, particules that are grounded in
communication. I think that if everyone's in
agreement and if it's all what you know, rather than polyamory,
I prefer the term ethical non monogamy.
If it is truly ethical, right, If there really is agreement, if
there really are standing arrangements.
You know, when we've talked to Poly folks in the past, the
biggest problem is the calendar. They can't figure out when to
get with each other, you know, because everyone's busy.
And so that's a, that's just a thing.
When I was originally concerned considering polyamory, I was
considering it from the perspective of, you know, I'm a
sadist. And not every woman is a
masochist. And so if I'm a sadist and I'm
dating somebody and she doesn't want to be a masochist, I might
want to go find my opportunity to play with a masochist as
well. But what I discovered was for
myself, that really wasn't the the issue, right?
The issue for me in my in my experience was I was really
operating from a place to feel like I'm missing out over here
and really living with Petra, I get everything.
I get the host notice for it. I'm not missing anything.
And I learned that. So yeah.
So I think, I think that there's, if you read the, the
book Sex at Dawn, genetically, we're programmed to be open in
relationship sexually. We're, we're, we're programmed
genetically for that. So it doesn't surprise me that
there's a lot of polyamory afoot, you know, because it's
just instinctively like what people are about.
They, they get attracted, they want to act on that.
They want to act on those impulses.
And you know, genetically, if you go back to our original
biology, we, we're bonobos. We that's what we would do.
Yeah, I have an inside joke about the Bonobo monkeys
because, yeah, apparently scientists have done a lot of
research with them because they were kind of secretive in what
they do, but ultimately they're the most highly sexual monkey
species. Totally.
Yeah, with the the group orgies and and Everything Everywhere.
Like that because humans are the we have sex for just enjoying
it. It's all the time we're
actually. More related to bonobos than any
other of the big apes. We are actually big apes.
We're, we're, we're, we're, we're part of, we're part of the
giant apes. It's what we are.
You know I was. Going to say there's there's
only so many species of animals that actually mate for for fun.
I think dolphins is another one. They are.
Yeah, right. There aren't any species that
are monogamous, by the way. Yeah.
I mean, they say. They save life, partners with
birds that nest, but that's just nesting.
But still, birds will still cross, you know, pollinate, if
you will, before they get to the full nesting point.
So it's not just that. Yeah.
No, this is this monogamy situation that we have in our
current iteration of a lie of lives as human beings on planet
Earth. Is is impacted by Christian
morality, right? So basically, basically you've
got, you know, 10,000 years of the church sort of poo poo and
sexuality. And and you know, we're at a
point now where we're starting to see people, you know, walk
away from religion. But the societies like construct
is this sort of monogamous religious construct.
You know you can't legally marry like multiple people, but in the
past you you could you could marry as many people as you are
just be just sleeping next to them was considered marriage.
In some. Tribes, you know, but I don't I
don't think that you can make an argument today, but knowing what
we know now that we're not related to bonobos, everything
about the the way we relate to each other sexually have sex for
fun, have sex for settling an argument, have sex for, you
know, just procreation, whatever.
It's all in the world of what bonobos are up to.
And because male certainty of offspring is no longer
consideration or or it was the consideration in the past, but
by when you look at the sort of detail, it's not the
consideration. It really does come down to
women are the most powerful sexual creatures.
Women are definitely the ones who Dr. sexuality and if you
look sort of through history, that's the standard.
You know, in female led societies, sex is freely
available. The older men are getting more
sex because the women are are having more sex.
There's less there aren't even words for a divorce or words for
a rape or there's like none of that, right?
Because it doesn't. It just doesn't exist in a
female led society. And so that's really, that's
really like what we're trying to do in our home.
We believe that a female led relationship is the best
relationship. That's our experience.
Such a smart, wise man, aren't you?
Isn't he? That's great.
I know My husband always tells
me you're just always right. And I'm like, exactly, exactly.
You figured this out. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong at all with, you know, multi
partner relationship. Communication is the thing.
That's the most important thing because if everyone's on the
same page and it works for everybody, As soon as somebody
doesn't carry the water, though, something will be jealousies and
resentments, and that's no good. Doesn't make you better sex,
let's put it that way. No, not at all.
So where do you all see yourself with your kinky cocktail hour
and and say three to five years it's.
A great question. Yeah.
Our our conversation, I think, I think that the primary or the
prime directive of our podcast is to demystify kink and
sexuality. And at the same time, it's also
been there for us to inform ourselves.
And because of the place we're in, our next sort of step is to
do a series on sacred sexuality. And, you know, and continue that
we we continue to do readings of interesting books in the world
of sexuality. The team have conversations with
interesting kicksters and we continue to review like movies
and things we watch around sex and sexuality.
And so the the long as long as there are humans having sex and
humans fighting about sex, there'll be a worthy
conversation about sex and and and kink, you know?
Very much so. So, you know, we're just going
to keep plugging away at it and eventually it'll make sense.
It won't make sense for us to do it anymore.
But, you know, for right now, we find it enjoyable to share our
thoughts and to listen to those who have something to offer.
And I think that's beautiful about kink and human sexuality
is every single person has a story and has a journey to to
share. And it's in that sharing that
allows somebody listening, you know, to hear something for
themselves. Yeah, we've had a lot of
feedback from random people who have heard a podcast here or
there and heard something for themselves and got something
really out of it. We got a message once from a
couple, a young couple that said, you know, we're just
getting started and we've been listening to your part.
It's been so helpful, you know, So we think we'll just keep
plugging away at it and I don't know, six or seven years, not
sure that you know. It's just part of our life
though, so it's, it's, you know, we're going to have a
conversation anyway post sex, so sometimes it's just great to
turn the microphone on. Don't you just love those emails
though, too, To know that you make such a difference with
people that they can, they can listen to your story and be
like, yeah, you know, it's so great.
It is. It's amazing people.
You know, the way I think about it is there are a certain number
of people who write and then there's a number of people who
who would never write, but also getting something out of it.
You know, I appreciate the folks who let us know that they've
heard something good that inspired them to have better sex
in their life. But I also know that for
everyone that does, it may be 20 or 30 or 100 or 1000 who didn't
but are also getting some advantage from this information
that I think is some of it's great information.
You know, like we're making the information, we're talking to
people that, for example, we don't play with fire.
We've talked to somebody who played with fire.
You know, there was a lot of information that I hadn't even
considered when it comes to playing with fire.
And I think like somebody else who's a fire player might go,
you know, that was actually worthwhile.
I heard that that was great. So, I mean, I remember we, we
did a thing. On Oh the knife play too.
We didn't the guy that is the MMA session, MMA fighter that
now. This guy wrote this really
interesting article on fat life about trying to think of the
topic of his conversation, but it had to do with consent.
It was a consent sort of based conversation, but in that
conversation it came out that he was a knife player.
And so he started sharing about how he plays with knives.
It was the most fascinating conversation because I hadn't
really considered playing with knives.
And certainly Petra was like, I don't want to play with knives,
but but what? But she didn't understand.
And I didn't understand what that what that meant, what
playing with knives. Meant we had it a picture in our
head. What that meant, it was
completely different when he explained it.
Yeah, so, so things like that were really valuable.
We talked to this amazing guy in Holland who ties up penises.
Yeah, artistically. Artistically, yeah, he does.
That's amazing. He's got these amazing
photographs. And they're amazing.
Like there's a plate of spaghetti and then the penis
just flopped on top. So he must have had a hole in
the plate in the bottom. He pulls the person through and
he laid it like a sausage. It just, and it, I mean, at
first glance you would think it was a sausage on some spaghetti.
I mean, we really would. It was that artistic.
And then when you look close, you're like, Oh my God, that's
what it is. Yeah, but I mean, he was, he was
really interesting because it was such a specific fetish.
It was such a specific fetish. You know, it's just been fun.
The whole the whole experience of talking to people about human
sexuality has been really fascinating.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, I often say that, you know, back in the 70s, eighties,
it was still even then, after the fact that BDSM has been
around for centuries, you know, it was still so taboo.
And it is, yeah, it is. And but it's only been within
the last 10 years that they're starting to put it in this this
fresh light. Well, it's much more mainstream.
We were watching. The.
Other night, what were we watching?
Dodge ball, dumb movie. And there's a whole scene in
that movie where they get some gear and it's all like hardcore
kink gear. Yeah.
And they go. It's on main mainstream TV, you
know what I mean? That would have never been on
TV. Yeah.
No, I. Mean they could barely run
tampon ads in the 80s. Yeah, it's definitely
mainstream. It definitely is at the same
time there it's it's it's mainstream and kind of a
titillating kind of way. Like it doesn't really get at
the only a few movies we've seen where it really gets at what the
draw is for something like, you know, BDS and M, you know, like
what's what's the draw? And so I think you know, that if
you ask like, where are we going to go in the part in the future?
I think that's an interesting conversation to keep having
because yes, the language and the images are more mainstream,
but that they're still it's, it's almost like it's
titillating and we have to get underneath that to, to really
get, you know, at what the draw is and what the benefits really,
truly are. I mean, most people, average
person doesn't realize that, say impact player produces a
chemical cascade that gives some relief to the, you know, bottom,
for example. But that sort of that sort of
information is valuable, you know, and, and the more it's out
in the world, the more people will enjoy the experience of
being able to experiment for themselves.
Interesting, isn't it? Yeah.
So. So what movie do you think is
really beneficial right now for someone to watch about PDSM?
There's some. Standard ones that I think
there's, they're still a little stylized, but I do think it
offers a a window into a masochist is the secretary.
Secretary is great. Yeah, because I think I think
both both roles play at the the pulling extremes of those
dynamic, you know, roles themselves.
And you do learn that the mischievous of like putting the
bug in the bed later, the brattiness of that, the
titillation she got from that and that she knows she's going
to get caught and she's going to be punished or something.
But she that turns her on and and they do a what a great job
at demonstrating that. Whereas when I, if I was just to
serf, you know, fed or something, what I'm running into
a lot is a bunch of caricature pictures of people in whatever
role they're describing themselves to be.
And it doesn't let you know who that person is or what it really
means to be a little or what have you, you know.
And so even in fact, Neil and I were talking about Fetlife has
changed a lot in at least the last five years, six years
dramatically, where when I first went on, I thought I had access
to something that was I'd never seen before.
So then I was like, this is a whole new pool of people to
interact with. And now it's like only fans
practically. Yeah, interesting, huh?
You know which movie that I I recently watched was Baby Girl
with Nicole Kidman. I don't know if you've seen that
yet. You would really enjoy it.
It's on Amazon. OK.
But her role was just a very domineering woman in the
workplace. And she meets this younger
gentleman who's just an intern, and there is this instant
connection. And she realizes how submissive
she is, even more so once she meets them.
And she's already married to Antonio Banderas.
And she has never been able to, like, you can just tell she's
never had like, this mind blowing orgasm with him because
he can't be dominant with her. And he's just doing vanilla sex.
And ultimately, like, at the very beginning of the movie,
right off the RIP, she is having sex with him.
She gets him off. She sneaks off into her office
and watches this submissive video and masturbates and then
the rest of the movie, it's just like, wow.
It's so good it. Is a wonderful movie.
Yeah, it. Is a good one.
Yeah, you need to check it out. I think you all would enjoy it.
But yeah, I think that what we do as podcast host, I think it's
just so cool because we do. We reach out to so many people
and all over the world and they just benefit so much.
And between the uniqueness of your show and how you represent
stuff and talk about things and you're like you, like you said,
you're so fluid with everything and in your connection, I just,
I think it's really such a cool thing.
It's such an amazing thing that you can do and and just kind of
give back to the community with that.
I think people genuinely appreciate that tremendously.
I feel like that too. And I also think, you know, on a
very personal level, you know, we obviously talked about
starting the pod because we think these are valuable
conversations. But but also, umm, it's
interesting for us to even just go back and listen to some of
those first podcasts from where we are now standing now and
hear, you know, my old self and think, Oh, you're silly one, you
don't even know yet, you know, but just to to follow that
journey. I mean, who this is what I think
is fantastic is who has a running dialogue of their love
affair, right? And we do.
And you do exactly. Yeah, exactly.
That's wonderful. Yeah, That's a wonderful thing.
Well, I think that's a good note to leave it on.
OK. Great.
Thank you. Patrick, I've got one of my one
of my associates has some kink movies that he's been
recommending, so I'll grab a few of those and send them to you as
well. Yeah.
Oh, that'd be wonderful. All right.
Thank you both very much. Thank you.
Thanks for. Having us really appreciate it.
Thank you very much. It's been a treat.
So until then, this has been the latest episode of Call Me
Mistress.