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Hi, welcome to the latest 
episode of Call Me Mistress. 

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I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, 
and today I bring you Safra 

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Master and his beloved wife, 
Lady Petra. 

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How are you today? 
We're great. 

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Thanks for having us. 
Really appreciate it. 

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Absolutely. 
I think that we can start by 

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saying you 2 are kind of like 
the ideal fetish couple. 

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Well, that's very sweet of you. 
Really. 

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It's. 
True. 

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It's true. 
Follow you on Fetlife. 

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We're friends there, but over 
the last, I think it's been 

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three years since we talked and 
we interviewed one another for 

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our for our podcast. 
I've always looked at your feet.

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I've always enjoyed it and it's 
been really diverse and unique 

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at the same time. 
I, I see the switch in both of 

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you and it's like one day I see 
Safra Master and his chastity 

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and the next, you know, I see 
Titty Tuesday for Lady Petra. 

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No, it's true. 
Our, our journey has been, let's

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say it's not been static. 
You know, it's a process of 

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evolution. 
Both aspects of of being a 

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switch, you know, being neutral 
about things. 

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Yeah, our our viewpoint is that 
we're sexual creatures and the 

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curiosity that we have is in 
discovering what where our 

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arousal lives for each other. 
You know, and for me, it was 

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never really about being a 
dominant or being a submissive 

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as much as it is about finding 
ways to please my partner that 

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align with my own arousal, if 
that makes sense. 

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And always a living in an 
authentic experience of our 

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sexuality. 
Yeah, I would say so too. 

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I think like we've transformed 
over the years and I think where

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we're at now is more in a like 
sacred sexuality or well, 

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transcendent sexuality because 
it's, it doesn't feel like 

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there's any context for gender 
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It's just this kind of like yin 
Yang kind of ebb and flow of 

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each other in the actual moment 
of being with each other. 

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So that could mean anything. 
And, you know, I'm a bit of a 

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hedonist, so I'm going to 
gravitate the things that I 

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enjoy more more, you know? 
That is, yeah, very evident on 

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your profiles. 
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So. 
So you all have been doing the 

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kinky cocktail hour for what, 
the last three years? 

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No, we're going into our seventh
season. 

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Oh wow. 
OK. 

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We started right before COVID 
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We actually, we're very 
fortunate in a way, because 

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about a month after we started 
podcasting, the we got the 

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lockdown from COVID began. 
And at that point, you know, we 

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were exploring our sexuality in 
ADS dynamic from a completely 

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different place. 
So to set a masochistic place 

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and we would see it and then 
podcast every day. 

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And that's what sort of what got
us started was the conversations

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we were having after we seemed, 
and we kept saying, you know, 

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these are great conversations. 
We should record them and then 

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we should podcast them. 
And then one day we just said, 

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what the hell, we'll podcast 
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And yeah, we were so surprised, 
you know, because we had 100 

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people following us and then 
1000. 

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And then all of a sudden we've 
got like 600,000 downloads, you 

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know what I'm saying? 
Yeah. 

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And we've done like, I want to 
say 1000 episodes now, maybe 

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1100. 
But going into our seventh 

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season, eventually we started 
interviewing others. 

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You know, we were having our own
conversation about sexuality. 

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And so we wanted to hear what is
the conversation other people 

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are having about sexuality. 
And so it became just this way 

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of back in an inquiry that 
journey that we were on when 

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forming our own journey by 
talking to other kingsters. 

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And, you know, we learned a lot.
We learned a lot about things we

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weren't interested in and we 
learned about things we were 

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interested in. 
And we took some of the things 

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we were interested in and 
incorporated them into our play.

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And, you know, some of those 
things persist and some of them 

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have sort of sort of fallen 
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And where we are right now, 
kinky as we are, and we're 

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pretty kinky. 
I mean, you know, she dresses me

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in panty, you know, pages 
sometimes. 

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I mean, it's all very random. 
But kinky as we are, it isn't. 

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We don't think of kink as our 
like happy place, although as 

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king, as kingsters, we, we were 
given the room to explore inside

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of agreements that we made and 
boundaries we had established 

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and we got to explore. 
Like what is it that impact 

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player, for example, brings to 
the table? 

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Or what is it that hypnosis or 
hypno king brings to the table? 

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But, you know, somewhere in 
there we fell in love and that 

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changed the conversation 
completely because now all of a 

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sudden we're interacting not as 
kingsters, but as lovers who 

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happen to also have kinky 
fetishes, if that makes sense. 

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And so that changes everything. 
And so, you know, we've been 

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together for seven years almost 
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And I, I'll just say this has 
been the happiest 7 years of my 

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life. 
It's been incredible. 

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Oh yeah. 
Bar none. 

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Yeah. 
Wonderful. 

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I know that whenever I go back 
and I'll check our ratings on 

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any type of podcast forum like 
the feed spot and and different 

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things like that, you know, we 
are always neck and neck 

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together. 
That's good. 

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All of our ratings. 
I'm like, oh, kinky cocktail 

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hour. 
Oh, misters, Mia, that's so. 

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Great. 
Yeah, I I stopped looking at 

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ratings a while back, but you 
bring up the point we got a 

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thing from I wanna say Spotify, 
maybe it's for. 

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Rap, Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Don't you? 
Love that. 

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I love those things. 
What I loved about it was it 

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told us that people who treated 
podcast listen, share it, have 

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conversations, comment, you know
that the listeners are engaged, 

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which I really. 
Very much. 

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Yeah, How long have you been 
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Oh, it's been almost four years 
I am, you know, but I haven't 

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been fortunate enough to find 
that perfect Co host. 

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Yeah, I I'm not bringing my 
lover in on the podcast like the

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two of you, but yeah, it's like,
it was like my first Co host. 

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We were just kind of starting. 
But she's very serious. 

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I'm not serious, you know, And 
then I had John on and John was 

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like overly funny and I'm not 
overly funny and and it was just

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like, it's just, it just didn't 
click. 

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And so if. 
I had the right energies. 

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You do, you really do, Yeah. 
You just have to mesh with that 

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person. 
And it's sometimes it's just you

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just don't mesh well. 
Yeah, totally. 

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Yeah. 
I will say, though, that, you 

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know, podcasting aside, our 
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it's been a steady journey and 
we literally play every day. 

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We have for seven years and you,
you know, for us to be able to 

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keep up that intensity of our 
energy, there has to be a lot of

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positivity in our experience. 
You know, and I think the thing 

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that we discovered more than 
anything was that kink. 

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Let me say this again, the thing
that we've discovered more than 

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anything is that communication 
is our kink. 

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And the reality is, is that 
because we're in communication 

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in such an open and consistent 
way and, and we have it like 

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there's nothing wrong and we get
to talk about what there is to 

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talk about around our scenes. 
We've always been able to just 

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keep the energy alive. 
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the most like illuminating thing
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experience to me. 
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When you just connect, you just 
connect. 

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Right. 
You know, and it's effortless. 

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Yes, I do. 
I do think, I think also the 

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context of creating really 
living into creating each other 

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newly each day that this is the 
day we're in right now, not 

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yesterday or two weeks from now 
or it's not about looking 

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forward to something. 
It's about what are we up to 

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right now. 
And being that present we found 

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is the juice for everything, for
the access to everything. 

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Like as soon as those 
occurrences begin happening, I 

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mean, orgasms changed and opened
up a spectrum of orgasms that 

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wasn't at the buffet before. 
And now they are purely because,

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yes, I have a wonderful partner.
But I think particularly because

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women are blessed with the 
ability for this, I think a much

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on a greater scale than men. 
We can experience the world in 

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ways that are if we can open 
ourselves up and be vulnerable 

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to that. 
And you have to have the right 

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circumstances and partners. 
But I think there are things 

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there I'm seeing now or 
experiencing that weren't there 

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at all. 
Not even, you know, And I'm in 

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my 50s. 
I'm not even in my 20s. 

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We're there. 
I'm more vibrant now, more 

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sexualized, more aware of my own
sexuality to engage in a way 

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where I get the biggest bang for
my buck basically out of every 

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experience. 
And I think that power for women

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is paramount. 
Absolutely, and when you have 

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perfect tits like yours, I mean.
They definitely are the perfect.

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They are perfect. 
It just reinforces what you say.

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Yeah, our journey evolved so 
rapidly once we decided to get 

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married that I wrote the book 
Hard Married because we looked 

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at what was the journey and how 
did we navigate that journey to 

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get here? 
Because where we are is an 

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amazing place and we think it's 
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But we we believe that people 
step over some of the important 

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steps to get there. 
Like they sort of they want to 

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get there, but they don't want 
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but it's not really work. 
It's really just the engagement 

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in the, the relationship. 
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So I basically wrote the manual 
for how to have what we have and

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yeah. 
It's my love letter. 

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It's a love letter. 
Yeah, I saw that. 

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It's on lulu.com. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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I'll send you the link so. 
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fat and I'll certainly post that
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that'd. 
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I I think the best thing to, 
like you said it, it's so 

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essential that you have this 
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and that you can share it with 
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often in this lifestyle, people,
they're married and they can't 

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play together. 
They don't, Yeah. 

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They're not on the same level. 
They have different kinks and 

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you know, it just happens that 
way, but it's just kind of sad. 

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I think it's true for any 
partnering. 

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You don't have to be married to 
be hard married, right? 

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No, it's really just the. 
It's that hard commitment. 

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It's, it's the, it's the 
connection, the relatedness, the

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commitment, the communication, 
the listening, right? 

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Like there's a lot of different 
ways we engage with each other 

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and all of those ways are 
important in any relationship 

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you have that involves intimacy.
You know, you've because if you 

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can't step forward in a 
completely authentic way, if 

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you're putting forward a, let's 
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then you're not really with that
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You know, you're not, you're 
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being a character actor. 
And The thing is that it's so 

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easy for people to get into a 
place where what they're telling

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themselves about this sexual 
experience isn't what was 

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actually happening in the sexual
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They're just telling themselves 
about things that were 

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happening. 
So now they have this story 

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about how it goes, and all of a 
sudden there's space between two

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people that shouldn't be there. 
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it's more important because the 
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look at the cultural overlay, 
it's a very particular paradigm.

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That barrage is culturally 
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It's like this made into this 
huge thing. 

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It's a very kinky experience 
when you think about it. 

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The bride's being gifted to the 
groom kind of thing. 

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You're putting a ring on like a 
collar. 

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Like it's all of it's all of 
this kind of imagery, but none 

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of the work is there. 
None of the actual, you know, 

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interpersonal connection is 
there that allows the individual

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to be in the relationship 
completely, if that makes sense.

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So the divorce rate's like 50%, 
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So it's not working. 
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If you get second married, it's 
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If you get third married, it's 
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So we don't have the skills to 
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So this is where This is why 
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your marriage in the present 
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like collectively working on 
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aspects of marriage. 
It's it's all aspects. 

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It's not just the sexuality, but
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because if that's not there, you
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quickly. 
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AI think for a kinky couple, 
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not all kinky couples are 
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There's a lot of open sexuality 
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communication for that to work. 
You really do, You know, you 

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know, on the podcast right now, 
we're reading Sex at Dawn. 

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Oh yeah, yeah. 
Which is a really great book. 

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It's it, but it talks a lot 
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about how people related to each
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this more of egalitarian way of 
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agriculture is that's all gone. 
And so we've gotten away from 

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what our instincts tell us 
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we're now living inside of a 
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longer supports the the normal 
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That's why we have, you know, so
much infidelity and so much like

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anxiety about sexuality and 
relationships. 

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down to just this very simple 
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When you're sitting with another
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them, you have to be 
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have to be authentically 
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there together. 
And then you can have like the 

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kick is hardest sex that you can
for as long as you can. 

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We literally have the hottest 
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for seven years. 
That's what's so weird. 

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I feel like it's not weird. 
It's actually fantastic, but it 

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it feels completely out of sorts
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looking forward to, oh, when we 
go on this vacation, you know, I

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build up in my head that's going
to be the big sex moment. 

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You know, we're going to be in 
this location and we're going to

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be able to do these things or 
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Right now it's like every day is
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best ever. 
And it because I'm present it, 

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it's the only thing that exists.
So it really is. 

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It's not even like lying to 
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something else. 
It's in that moment we created 

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that kind of experience that's 
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And then tomorrow I get to do it
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And the next day and the next 
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And when you start living like 
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Yeah, we'll have to say every 
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So we get high, we have sex, we 
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great dinner, we curl up in the 
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bed, right? 
Every day is a party and we 

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treat every day like it's the 
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You know, like tomorrow may not 
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We'll make it hit by a meteorite
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If the Yellowstone goes, we're 
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So yeah, so we just we just live
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only existent day that ever will
occur ever. 

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And this the last day, you know 
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So we're going to take like the 
we got to say we use the whole 

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day up, right? 
That's kind of our strategy in 

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our sexuality. 
It's our strategy in the way we 

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eat. 
It's our strategy in exploring 

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cocktails. 
It's, it's our strategy and 

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just, you know, being out in 
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we literally operate by trying 
to be present at all times. 

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That's wonderful, It really is. 
Do you, do you see, though, that

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so many couples right now, 
they're going into Poly 

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relationships? 
You know, we do, you know, we've

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heard, we've heard from a lot of
people, we've talked to some 

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Poly people over the years and 
you know, we've, we've had our 

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own inquiry about it as well, 
right? 

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We've had an inquiry about like,
is it, is it appropriate? 

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Is it appropriate for us in the 
way we operate for us to like 

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engage in another person at the 
level of intensity that we 

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engage at? 
Is, is there room for that in 

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our life? 
And we decided for us, it's not 

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a thing. 
That's not to say that other 

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people don't benefit from that 
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For sure. 
Our inquiry was like, well, you 

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know, what am I going to gain by
doing that that I'm not already 

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experiencing over here? 
But it's also true. 

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Like, you know, there are 
certain certainly circumstances 

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where people love each other, 
but one person's kinks. 

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Don't. 
Align, don't align with the 

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others. 
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we took have a lot of couple 
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the the one partner goes out and
gets their kids satisfied over 

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there. 
And that's fine, you know, and. 

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Some are, some of them it's just
kink. 

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It's not even sexualized. 
It's just it's it's a need. 

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Typically it comes off by 
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particularly if it's a male 
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feeling like they want to be 
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And that they I've, I've had it 
where there's been full 

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agreements where they just go 
over here, they get the service 

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of the beatings that they need, 
whatever fills their bucket. 

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And then they come back and they
have their completely other type

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of sex or other intimacy with 
their with their life. 

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Yeah. 
And then we have people that 

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are, I also go over, oh, it's an
open relation. 

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I go over here and I have a full
buffet over here and I also get 

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to come home. 
But this is my primary partner. 

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And I just think if it if 
there's good communication, if 

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it works for a couple or three 
summer or what have you, I think

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that's great. 
I don't really want to yuck on 

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anyone's Yum. 
I just want to be able to. 

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I think my experience has been 
not as much what other people 

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are doing and should I keep up 
with the Joneses or whatever to 

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to supposedly have this great 
experience, right? 

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What I'm learning is my great 
experiences is where I feel the 

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most comfortable and self 
expressed. 

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And so I'm trying to stay in my 
lane and there's other people in

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other lanes, you know, 
obviously. 

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Yeah, and there's nothing wrong.
I don't think there's anything 

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wrong with, you know, particules
that are grounded in 

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communication. 
I think that if everyone's in 

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agreement and if it's all what 
you know, rather than polyamory,

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I prefer the term ethical non 
monogamy. 

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If it is truly ethical, right, 
If there really is agreement, if

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there really are standing 
arrangements. 

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You know, when we've talked to 
Poly folks in the past, the 

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biggest problem is the calendar.
They can't figure out when to 

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get with each other, you know, 
because everyone's busy. 

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And so that's a, that's just a 
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When I was originally concerned 
considering polyamory, I was 

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considering it from the 
perspective of, you know, I'm a 

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sadist. 
And not every woman is a 

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masochist. 
And so if I'm a sadist and I'm 

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dating somebody and she doesn't 
want to be a masochist, I might 

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want to go find my opportunity 
to play with a masochist as 

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well. 
But what I discovered was for 

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myself, that really wasn't the 
the issue, right? 

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The issue for me in my in my 
experience was I was really 

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operating from a place to feel 
like I'm missing out over here 

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and really living with Petra, I 
get everything. 

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I get the host notice for it. 
I'm not missing anything. 

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And I learned that. 
So yeah. 

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So I think, I think that 
there's, if you read the, the 

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book Sex at Dawn, genetically, 
we're programmed to be open in 

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relationship sexually. 
We're, we're, we're programmed 

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genetically for that. 
So it doesn't surprise me that 

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there's a lot of polyamory 
afoot, you know, because it's 

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just instinctively like what 
people are about. 

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They, they get attracted, they 
want to act on that. 

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They want to act on those 
impulses. 

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And you know, genetically, if 
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biology, we, we're bonobos. 
We that's what we would do. 

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Yeah, I have an inside joke 
about the Bonobo monkeys 

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because, yeah, apparently 
scientists have done a lot of 

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research with them because they 
were kind of secretive in what 

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they do, but ultimately they're 
the most highly sexual monkey 

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species. 
Totally. 

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Yeah, with the the group orgies 
and and Everything Everywhere. 

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Like that because humans are the
we have sex for just enjoying 

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it. 
It's all the time we're 

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actually. 
More related to bonobos than any

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other of the big apes. 
We are actually big apes. 

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We're, we're, we're, we're, 
we're part of, we're part of the

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giant apes. 
It's what we are. 

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You know I was. 
Going to say there's there's 

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only so many species of animals 
that actually mate for for fun. 

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I think dolphins is another one.
They are. 

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Yeah, right. 
There aren't any species that 

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are monogamous, by the way. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, they say. 
They save life, partners with 

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birds that nest, but that's just
nesting. 

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But still, birds will still 
cross, you know, pollinate, if 

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you will, before they get to the
full nesting point. 

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So it's not just that. 
Yeah. 

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No, this is this monogamy 
situation that we have in our 

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current iteration of a lie of 
lives as human beings on planet 

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Earth. 
Is is impacted by Christian 

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morality, right? 
So basically, basically you've 

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got, you know, 10,000 years of 
the church sort of poo poo and 

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sexuality. 
And and you know, we're at a 

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point now where we're starting 
to see people, you know, walk 

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away from religion. 
But the societies like construct

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is this sort of monogamous 
religious construct. 

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You know you can't legally marry
like multiple people, but in the

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past you you could you could 
marry as many people as you are 

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just be just sleeping next to 
them was considered marriage. 

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In some. 
Tribes, you know, but I don't I 

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don't think that you can make an
argument today, but knowing what

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we know now that we're not 
related to bonobos, everything 

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about the the way we relate to 
each other sexually have sex for

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fun, have sex for settling an 
argument, have sex for, you 

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know, just procreation, 
whatever. 

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It's all in the world of what 
bonobos are up to. 

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And because male certainty of 
offspring is no longer 

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consideration or or it was the 
consideration in the past, but 

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by when you look at the sort of 
detail, it's not the 

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consideration. 
It really does come down to 

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women are the most powerful 
sexual creatures. 

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Women are definitely the ones 
who Dr. sexuality and if you 

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look sort of through history, 
that's the standard. 

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You know, in female led 
societies, sex is freely 

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available. 
The older men are getting more 

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sex because the women are are 
having more sex. 

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There's less there aren't even 
words for a divorce or words for

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a rape or there's like none of 
that, right? 

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Because it doesn't. 
It just doesn't exist in a 

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female led society. 
And so that's really, that's 

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really like what we're trying to
do in our home. 

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We believe that a female led 
relationship is the best 

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relationship. 
That's our experience. 

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Such a smart, wise man, aren't 
you? 

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Isn't he? 
That's great. 

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That's great. 
I know My husband always tells 

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me you're just always right. 
And I'm like, exactly, exactly. 

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You figured this out. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Yeah, there's nothing wrong at 
all with, you know, multi 

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partner relationship. 
Communication is the thing. 

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That's the most important thing 
because if everyone's on the 

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same page and it works for 
everybody, As soon as somebody 

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doesn't carry the water, though,
something will be jealousies and

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resentments, and that's no good.
Doesn't make you better sex, 

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let's put it that way. 
No, not at all. 

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So where do you all see yourself
with your kinky cocktail hour 

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and and say three to five years 
it's. 

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A great question. 
Yeah. 

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Our our conversation, I think, I
think that the primary or the 

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prime directive of our podcast 
is to demystify kink and 

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sexuality. 
And at the same time, it's also 

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been there for us to inform 
ourselves. 

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00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,440
And because of the place we're 
in, our next sort of step is to 

451
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:44,560
do a series on sacred sexuality.
And, you know, and continue that

452
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,680
we we continue to do readings of
interesting books in the world 

453
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,680
of sexuality. 
The team have conversations with

454
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,960
interesting kicksters and we 
continue to review like movies 

455
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,280
and things we watch around sex 
and sexuality. 

456
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,040
And so the the long as long as 
there are humans having sex and 

457
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,120
humans fighting about sex, 
there'll be a worthy 

458
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,280
conversation about sex and and 
and kink, you know? 

459
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320
Very much so. 
So, you know, we're just going 

460
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,360
to keep plugging away at it and 
eventually it'll make sense. 

461
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,080
It won't make sense for us to do
it anymore. 

462
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:23,040
But, you know, for right now, we
find it enjoyable to share our 

463
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:29,320
thoughts and to listen to those 
who have something to offer. 

464
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,600
And I think that's beautiful 
about kink and human sexuality 

465
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,360
is every single person has a 
story and has a journey to to 

466
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:43,480
share. 
And it's in that sharing that 

467
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,320
allows somebody listening, you 
know, to hear something for 

468
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,280
themselves. 
Yeah, we've had a lot of 

469
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:56,040
feedback from random people who 
have heard a podcast here or 

470
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,400
there and heard something for 
themselves and got something 

471
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,960
really out of it. 
We got a message once from a 

472
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,120
couple, a young couple that 
said, you know, we're just 

473
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,000
getting started and we've been 
listening to your part. 

474
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,680
It's been so helpful, you know, 
So we think we'll just keep 

475
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,920
plugging away at it and I don't 
know, six or seven years, not 

476
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,600
sure that you know. 
It's just part of our life 

477
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,080
though, so it's, it's, you know,
we're going to have a 

478
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,440
conversation anyway post sex, so
sometimes it's just great to 

479
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,680
turn the microphone on. 
Don't you just love those emails

480
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,120
though, too, To know that you 
make such a difference with 

481
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:32,600
people that they can, they can 
listen to your story and be 

482
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,200
like, yeah, you know, it's so 
great. 

483
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,840
It is. 
It's amazing people. 

484
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,560
You know, the way I think about 
it is there are a certain number

485
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080
of people who write and then 
there's a number of people who 

486
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,680
who would never write, but also 
getting something out of it. 

487
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,280
You know, I appreciate the folks
who let us know that they've 

488
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,920
heard something good that 
inspired them to have better sex

489
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,880
in their life. 
But I also know that for 

490
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,840
everyone that does, it may be 20
or 30 or 100 or 1000 who didn't 

491
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,520
but are also getting some 
advantage from this information 

492
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,880
that I think is some of it's 
great information. 

493
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,960
You know, like we're making the 
information, we're talking to 

494
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,920
people that, for example, we 
don't play with fire. 

495
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,560
We've talked to somebody who 
played with fire. 

496
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,840
You know, there was a lot of 
information that I hadn't even 

497
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
considered when it comes to 
playing with fire. 

498
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,720
And I think like somebody else 
who's a fire player might go, 

499
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,040
you know, that was actually 
worthwhile. 

500
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200
I heard that that was great. 
So, I mean, I remember we, we 

501
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160
did a thing. 
On Oh the knife play too. 

502
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,680
We didn't the guy that is the 
MMA session, MMA fighter that 

503
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,680
now. 
This guy wrote this really 

504
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,840
interesting article on fat life 
about trying to think of the 

505
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,960
topic of his conversation, but 
it had to do with consent. 

506
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,520
It was a consent sort of based 
conversation, but in that 

507
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,240
conversation it came out that he
was a knife player. 

508
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,120
And so he started sharing about 
how he plays with knives. 

509
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200
It was the most fascinating 
conversation because I hadn't 

510
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,880
really considered playing with 
knives. 

511
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
And certainly Petra was like, I 
don't want to play with knives, 

512
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,920
but but what? 
But she didn't understand. 

513
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,120
And I didn't understand what 
that what that meant, what 

514
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,720
playing with knives. 
Meant we had it a picture in our

515
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,480
head. 
What that meant, it was 

516
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,400
completely different when he 
explained it. 

517
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Yeah, so, so things like that 
were really valuable. 

518
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:26,280
We talked to this amazing guy in
Holland who ties up penises. 

519
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960
Yeah, artistically. 
Artistically, yeah, he does. 

520
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480
That's amazing. 
He's got these amazing 

521
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,640
photographs. 
And they're amazing. 

522
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,720
Like there's a plate of 
spaghetti and then the penis 

523
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,440
just flopped on top. 
So he must have had a hole in 

524
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:44,040
the plate in the bottom. 
He pulls the person through and 

525
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,320
he laid it like a sausage. 
It just, and it, I mean, at 

526
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,000
first glance you would think it 
was a sausage on some spaghetti.

527
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640
I mean, we really would. 
It was that artistic. 

528
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,640
And then when you look close, 
you're like, Oh my God, that's 

529
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,840
what it is. 
Yeah, but I mean, he was, he was

530
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,520
really interesting because it 
was such a specific fetish. 

531
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,160
It was such a specific fetish. 
You know, it's just been fun. 

532
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,760
The whole the whole experience 
of talking to people about human

533
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,760
sexuality has been really 
fascinating. 

534
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

535
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,680
You know, I often say that, you 
know, back in the 70s, eighties,

536
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,960
it was still even then, after 
the fact that BDSM has been 

537
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,880
around for centuries, you know, 
it was still so taboo. 

538
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,840
And it is, yeah, it is. 
And but it's only been within 

539
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,640
the last 10 years that they're 
starting to put it in this this 

540
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,840
fresh light. 
Well, it's much more mainstream.

541
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,120
We were watching. 
The. 

542
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,000
Other night, what were we 
watching? 

543
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,800
Dodge ball, dumb movie. 
And there's a whole scene in 

544
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,040
that movie where they get some 
gear and it's all like hardcore 

545
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:50,920
kink gear. 
Yeah. 

546
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,120
And they go. 
It's on main mainstream TV, you 

547
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,280
know what I mean? 
That would have never been on 

548
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,160
TV. 
Yeah. 

549
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,120
No, I. 
Mean they could barely run 

550
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,600
tampon ads in the 80s. 
Yeah, it's definitely 

551
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,960
mainstream. 
It definitely is at the same 

552
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,560
time there it's it's it's 
mainstream and kind of a 

553
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800
titillating kind of way. 
Like it doesn't really get at 

554
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,760
the only a few movies we've seen
where it really gets at what the

555
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:24,160
draw is for something like, you 
know, BDS and M, you know, like 

556
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,840
what's what's the draw? 
And so I think you know, that if

557
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320
you ask like, where are we going
to go in the part in the future?

558
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,640
I think that's an interesting 
conversation to keep having 

559
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,560
because yes, the language and 
the images are more mainstream, 

560
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,240
but that they're still it's, 
it's almost like it's 

561
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,040
titillating and we have to get 
underneath that to, to really 

562
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,600
get, you know, at what the draw 
is and what the benefits really,

563
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,320
truly are. 
I mean, most people, average 

564
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,120
person doesn't realize that, say
impact player produces a 

565
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,240
chemical cascade that gives some
relief to the, you know, bottom,

566
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440
for example. 
But that sort of that sort of 

567
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,280
information is valuable, you 
know, and, and the more it's out

568
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,880
in the world, the more people 
will enjoy the experience of 

569
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,200
being able to experiment for 
themselves. 

570
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,160
Interesting, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

571
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,360
So. 
So what movie do you think is 

572
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,640
really beneficial right now for 
someone to watch about PDSM? 

573
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,280
There's some. 
Standard ones that I think 

574
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,040
there's, they're still a little 
stylized, but I do think it 

575
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,920
offers a a window into a 
masochist is the secretary. 

576
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,680
Secretary is great. 
Yeah, because I think I think 

577
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:51,080
both both roles play at the the 
pulling extremes of those 

578
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920
dynamic, you know, roles 
themselves. 

579
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,480
And you do learn that the 
mischievous of like putting the 

580
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,880
bug in the bed later, the 
brattiness of that, the 

581
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,240
titillation she got from that 
and that she knows she's going 

582
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,320
to get caught and she's going to
be punished or something. 

583
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,520
But she that turns her on and 
and they do a what a great job 

584
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,440
at demonstrating that. 
Whereas when I, if I was just to

585
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,800
serf, you know, fed or 
something, what I'm running into

586
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,320
a lot is a bunch of caricature 
pictures of people in whatever 

587
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320
role they're describing 
themselves to be. 

588
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,920
And it doesn't let you know who 
that person is or what it really

589
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,320
means to be a little or what 
have you, you know. 

590
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,120
And so even in fact, Neil and I 
were talking about Fetlife has 

591
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,199
changed a lot in at least the 
last five years, six years 

592
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:56,440
dramatically, where when I first
went on, I thought I had access 

593
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600
to something that was I'd never 
seen before. 

594
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,880
So then I was like, this is a 
whole new pool of people to 

595
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,360
interact with. 
And now it's like only fans 

596
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480
practically. 
Yeah, interesting, huh? 

597
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,800
You know which movie that I I 
recently watched was Baby Girl 

598
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,160
with Nicole Kidman. 
I don't know if you've seen that

599
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,520
yet. 
You would really enjoy it. 

600
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,240
It's on Amazon. 
OK. 

601
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,320
But her role was just a very 
domineering woman in the 

602
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,680
workplace. 
And she meets this younger 

603
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,600
gentleman who's just an intern, 
and there is this instant 

604
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,360
connection. 
And she realizes how submissive 

605
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,680
she is, even more so once she 
meets them. 

606
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960
And she's already married to 
Antonio Banderas. 

607
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,880
And she has never been able to, 
like, you can just tell she's 

608
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,840
never had like, this mind 
blowing orgasm with him because 

609
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:01,360
he can't be dominant with her. 
And he's just doing vanilla sex.

610
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,440
And ultimately, like, at the 
very beginning of the movie, 

611
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,880
right off the RIP, she is having
sex with him. 

612
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,760
She gets him off. 
She sneaks off into her office 

613
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:18,200
and watches this submissive 
video and masturbates and then 

614
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,440
the rest of the movie, it's just
like, wow. 

615
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,600
It's so good it. 
Is a wonderful movie. 

616
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,720
Yeah, it. 
Is a good one. 

617
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,080
Yeah, you need to check it out. 
I think you all would enjoy it. 

618
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,200
But yeah, I think that what we 
do as podcast host, I think it's

619
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,800
just so cool because we do. 
We reach out to so many people 

620
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,880
and all over the world and they 
just benefit so much. 

621
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,200
And between the uniqueness of 
your show and how you represent 

622
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,160
stuff and talk about things and 
you're like you, like you said, 

623
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,520
you're so fluid with everything 
and in your connection, I just, 

624
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,160
I think it's really such a cool 
thing. 

625
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,440
It's such an amazing thing that 
you can do and and just kind of 

626
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,040
give back to the community with 
that. 

627
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,840
I think people genuinely 
appreciate that tremendously. 

628
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,240
I feel like that too. 
And I also think, you know, on a

629
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,840
very personal level, you know, 
we obviously talked about 

630
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,160
starting the pod because we 
think these are valuable 

631
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,760
conversations. 
But but also, umm, it's 

632
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,240
interesting for us to even just 
go back and listen to some of 

633
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,960
those first podcasts from where 
we are now standing now and 

634
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,040
hear, you know, my old self and 
think, Oh, you're silly one, you

635
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,520
don't even know yet, you know, 
but just to to follow that 

636
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,080
journey. 
I mean, who this is what I think

637
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,680
is fantastic is who has a 
running dialogue of their love 

638
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,480
affair, right? 
And we do. 

639
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,200
And you do exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

640
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,400
That's wonderful. 
Yeah, That's a wonderful thing. 

641
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,880
Well, I think that's a good note
to leave it on. 

642
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,520
OK. 
Great. 

643
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,000
Thank you. 
Patrick, I've got one of my one 

644
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,040
of my associates has some kink 
movies that he's been 

645
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,880
recommending, so I'll grab a few
of those and send them to you as

646
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,600
well. 
Yeah. 

647
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,840
Oh, that'd be wonderful. 
All right. 

648
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,520
Thank you both very much. 
Thank you. 

649
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,160
Thanks for. 
Having us really appreciate it. 

650
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Thank you very much. 
It's been a treat. 

651
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,840
So until then, this has been the
latest episode of Call Me 

652
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,600
Mistress.