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Hi, welcome to the latest 
episode of Call Me Mistress. 

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I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, 
and I've got with me. 

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Badass. 
Here we go, Madam. 

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You can't say badass and then I 
say it like that. 

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That was that was that was 
backwards. 

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I. 
Didn't expect you to say 

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anything or to introduce 
yourself, but I wouldn't have 

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did. 
It for you? 

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I don't know what to do. 
I always feel awkward when I'm 

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introduced it's. 
Funny. 

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All right, So how was your week?
You had a good weekend. 

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It was a good. 
Weekend. 

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You had a hot three-way. 
I mean, we got to bring that up.

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I mean, yeah, sure, we can bring
it out. 

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Yeah, she had a nice tits. 
She looked like a perfect Barbie

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doll. 
She did, didn't she? 

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She had a perfect little body. 
So nice, nice. 

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She's very nice too. 
It's like her personality was 

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great, which is what I look for 
in a in a threesome anyway. 

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So it's a good personality 
because I feel like I could 

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trust that. 
But yeah. 

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And she look great. 
Perfect. 

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And you you told her that your 
favorite color is purple. 

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Well, we do that as like, so 
that's to separate the two. 

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I want everything done in 
purple. 

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The sheets, when another lady's 
in the bed, the lights are 

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purple, the towels are purple. 
Lay down the bathroom just to 

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make it feel like, OK, this is 
separate from our real life. 

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And then she came in dressed all
in purple. 

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Her, her, she had little hair 
extension pieces that were 

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purple, a purple shirt, purple 
lingerie, purple, purple, 

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purple. 
I was like, oh, purple. 

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That's awesome. 
Yeah. 

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And it's just something that we 
came up with, the color that we 

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came up, we just kind of made. 
That up, yeah. 

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I think that's really cool 
though, is that you have that 

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division. 
Yeah, that's why I wanted was 

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the division so that, you know, 
I still feel comfortable doing 

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it in the bed, but it's still 
not like it's different. 

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It's not what we normally sleep 
with, but it's just purple. 

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You said your boyfriend even 
came up with the purple lights. 

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Oh yeah, he put purple lights in
the lamp and I was like. 

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That's really, that's cool. 
That's very cool. 

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All of it's cool. 
I mean to have like your towels 

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and your sheets and everything 
separated. 

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I thought so too. 
I was gonna make your little 

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basket. 
Yeah, that's awesome. 

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A little purple vaginal wipes 
and purple condom box. 

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I don't know. 
I think it's very cool and I 

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think it's, you know, it's it's 
sweet in a way because you're 

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just like, hey, you're my guest,
you're my special friend and you

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know, we're going to get down 
and dirty. 

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So here's a nice little, you 
know, hospitality basket, and 

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make sure your pussy's clean. 
No, it's like she feels like 

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wants to freshen up before we 
get started or, you know, after.

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Yeah, because like after I was 
like, do you want a towel or do 

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you want to take a shower? 
Do you want a towel? 

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Wipe your pussy, like, because I
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else does it. 
Do you want a towel? 

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Yeah, and I would like it to be 
purple so she can wipe a pussy 

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on the purple towel. 
Yeah. 

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I think it's nice. 
Yeah, and then when she leaves, 

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you go over there and smell the 
towel. 

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Oh my God, we did that with the 
sheets. 

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My. 
God, when we were doing the 

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sheets, I. 
Was joking but hey go. 

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Tell me the sheets off. 
And then I just got a whiff of 

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it from taking it off and I was 
like, Oh my God. 

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And I ran to my boyfriend. 
I was like smell this and he was

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like what? 
And then he smells it. 

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I was like, don't it smell like 
her? 

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Look, it does. 
That's sweet, that's so sweet. 

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I I just adore that wonderful 
person that came to visit you 

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all because she. 
Really was great. 

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She's great. 
I told you. 

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She's the perfect Unicorn. 
You know she's personable and 

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fun and respectful. 
Respectful. 

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You know she respects the 
boundaries of their of your 

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relationship. 
She did. 

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And she would test out the wires
a little bit. 

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When she realized it wasn't OK, 
she stepped back. 

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And I really liked that. 
I noticed that about it. 

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Yeah. 
And I like that. 

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Yeah, that's awesome. 
That's cool because it's, you 

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know, it's really a sticky 
situation. 

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That's why you got to choose 
somebody that you trust or can 

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trust. 
You know, our friends have 

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recently had kind of a fallout 
in having gone into the swinger 

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community a few years back. 
Yeah, swinger's different 

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because you don't want to see 
your lady with another man. 

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That's different. 
I don't think men can handle 

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that the same as women can. 
I guess it just depends on the 

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person, but you know, in the 
swingers community there is 

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there's a thing called full 
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comfortable and swapping 
partners. 

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And then there's soft swap, 
which is you would be OK with 

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him making out with her and vice
versa. 

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So it's kind of like over the 
clothes foreplay kind of deal. 

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OK, But you know every couples 
different and. 

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What am I considered? 
Well, you just did full swap 

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because you. 
I didn't have a guy. 

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No, no. 
But you just did full swap with 

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the female? 
Oh yeah. 

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Well, I like. 
That, yeah, especially. 

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When he got like, really? 
Into it, Yeah. 

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And you allowed him to do full 
swap with the female. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Because you like it. 
I do. 

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Because I don't get to see 
myself. 

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And now I got to see what he 
does to me. 

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I'm like, yes, I can. 
I can imagine it better. 

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Yeah, whenever it's happening to
me. 

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It's interesting how our brains 
work like that, I notice. 

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We got a mirror in here, first 
of all, so she can see what's 

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happening and so I can see 
what's happening, yeah. 

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Hey, yeah, more power to you if 
you can enjoy that and you enjoy

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it together. 
That's that's what it's all 

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about. 
Yeah. 

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You know, and I always said when
I see different, like swinger 

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couples, when I'll say, you 
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because like I said, you did a 
full swap situation. 

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But I know that you don't want 
to have sex with other men. 

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It's just all about, you know, 
having sex with other women. 

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But I noticed with a lot of 
couples, they, they become 

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swingers or they get into this 
type of lifestyle because 

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they're missing something. 
But a lot of them don't want to 

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admit they're missing something 
in their marriage. 

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Ah. 
Well, I started before, so I 

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think that was good, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

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We. 
Started really early on in our 

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relationship so we can 
establish, hey, this is what we 

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want, this is what I was missing
out of my other relationship, so

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let's bring it to this 
relationship. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
You had mentioned it before on 

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the podcast because you had 
talked about what it was like 

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having to go through wanting to 
be with a woman and your 

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ex-husband just not even wanting
any part of it. 

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Oh, yeah, it was, you know, you 
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want to. 
Yeah, but he didn't. 

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I think, I think you, I don't 
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I didn't know his thought 
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He didn't really express his 
feelings as well as I thought he

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did until I moved out of that 
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And then I was like, oh, he did 
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so I did not. 
Know. 

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Yeah, well, you know, what 
advice do you have? 

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For. 
For other couples when you're 

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talking about this, this whole 
swap scenario. 

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Well, you know you chose your 
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You do. 
You know, you love each other 

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and you're supposed to pour your
full self into them and they're 

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supposed to pour their full self
into you. 

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So if you're doing that 
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you. 
So when they hear these things 

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about you, you know, I guess it 
is kind of a sticky situation 

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because let's say it's a man 
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woman and he wants to bring that
to his wife. 

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Like how do you do that gently 
without it making it sound like,

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hey, I don't want to be with you
no more? 

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Because that's not the case. 
Some people, especially men, 

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have a craving for versity or 
verse. 

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What's the word? 
To be versatile. 

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Be versatile, you know, and 
have, you know, options in 

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sexual stuff, which is fine. 
Like I think that's great 

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because not I can't supply 
everything, they can't supply 

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everything. 
But when we're together, you got

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one whole thing, you know what I
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So it's really just bringing it 
up as early as you can. 

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And if you're already in it this
far, they still love you. 

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What are they going to do, leave
you because you mentioned that 

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you wanted to have sex with 
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No, we just have a conversation 
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Hey, I want to have this 
conversation. 

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It's better to have the 
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cheat because if you cheat, 
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over. 
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conversation, at least it's out 
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it. 
And I think that's what our 

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other couple ran into. 
You know she wanted to play. 

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Right, my ugly is out there. 
So, yeah, just like you say, 

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like I want to have sex with 
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You're uglies out there. 
Not You went and had sex with 

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somebody and we're going to talk
about it. 

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Yeah, 'cause that's different. 
That's a whole different thing. 

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And you know, with how open I 
am, I still would be hurt and 

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upset if he had sex with 
somebody without me knowing, 

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'cause I mean, that's still 
cheating. 

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Yeah, 'cause this is like a team
thing. 

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Yeah. 
Walk the line. 

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I don't. 
Know. 

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It's just it's convert, it's 
communication. 

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You have to have really strong 
communication and bring it up 

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very slowly and work with it and
don't just jump right in cause 

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bad things can happen. 
Hurt feelings and not knowing 

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anybody. 
What's your boundaries in it? 

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What's your boundaries in it? 
What are you OK with? 

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What are you not OK with? 
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you to her, you immediately 
said, oh, is she coming today? 

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Well, let me let me contact my 
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Yeah, if I can touch her, yeah. 
For the pictures, yes. 

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But then like halfway through, 
like the the session that she 

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had, I actually liked her 
personality. 

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And that's why I decided because
I I like to keep things very 

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open before I say let's do 
things. 

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I wanted to see which how she 
was. 

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Yeah. 
But you know, if we're going to 

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take pictures, I want to be, I 
want to be OK can I touch this 

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other person? 
You know, because I would want 

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him to sit, do the same thing 
for me. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Asking first. 

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In comparison to what you and 
your boyfriend do when I've 

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talked to other couples, this is
kind of like a stigma, 

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unfortunately in the the swinger
community is when you have a 

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bisexual husband because it's 
kind of like, oh, you know, a 

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lot of people don't want it, you
know, but then you have cooks 

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that are, you know, men who 
obviously want their wives or 

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significant partner to have sex 
with other men. 

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And so that arises to where they
specifically want usually a hung

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man or black man. 
And so the stigma is the husband

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never wants to tell people that 
he's really bisexual. 

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So a couple of my friends, 
husband and wife, they went to 

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this little function and it was 
like a kind of like a low key 

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party where there was other 
couples. 

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Well, they got into a hot tub 
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tub, the the friend of mine 
who's very straight, he said to 

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one of the guys who got in the 
hot tub next to him with his 

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wife, he was kind of rubbing up 
on his leg. 

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And he says, hey, that's my leg.
And he's oh, oh, sorry, sorry. 

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And that happened a few more 
times. 

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And see, you didn't tell me any 
of this now. 

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Then later on, when they saw 
each other again, this time they

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want to come to the dungeon and 
play. 

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And I said, hey, I separated him
from the couple. 

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I said, why? 
Why are you all playing with the

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crossdresser? 
He's like, what do you mean he's

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not a crossdresser? 
I'm like, yeah, he is. 

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And I'm like, he's got great 
hair. 

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He's wearing great shoes. 
He smells like a French whore, 

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like straight up perfume boom in
your face. 

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I said he's dressed very nice, 
nails manicured like high dollar

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hoe is what he's going for. 
But he was dressed in a business

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attire outfit He had on, you 
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And he's like, you really think 
he's a crossdresser? 

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Say he's a fucking crossdresser 
sub and he's like, wow, OK then.

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So he's like, well, I'll tell my
wife because she likes to 

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dominate. 
So he went in and told her, kind

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of whispered it to her at some 
point, and his wife started 

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dominating the guy and had him 
put on her panties. 

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And he's like, he left him 
breathless. 

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Like, how did you know? 
Yeah, she's like, Mia told me. 

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It's always great when somebody 
can see through you. 

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Yeah, where you're like, Oh my 
God, I get something that yeah, 

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I thought I never could talk 
about. 

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Exactly. 
Exactly. 

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And in his situation, I knew 
that he wanted to be a cup 

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because it was later that my 
friend said, yeah, he was the 

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one playing with, trying to play
with me in the hot tub, trying 

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to touch my Dick. 
And I told him that was me. 

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He needs to stop. 
Yeah, crossing boundaries there.

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So I think subconsciously he 
wanted to see his wife with that

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other husband, right. 
But I think when he was touching

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the husband or watching his wife
have sex with this man, that 

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he's envisioning himself getting
fucked. 

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Yeah. 
And that's what I think a lot of

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people don't realize is why do 
you see, in your situation, you 

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just said, and you've said this 
before, I like to watch my 

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boyfriend fuck another woman. 
Why? 

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Because you envision yourself as
being her. 

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Yeah, Yeah. 
So you can imagine what these 

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other husbands, whether they're 
cook or not or like a cook in 

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the closet, they love to watch 
their wife get fucked because 

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they want to be their wife 
getting fucked, you know? 

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And a lot of men don't want to 
really admit to that. 

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It's really hard for them to 
admit that, but it is what it 

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is. 
I guess sometimes I want to be 

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my boyfriend, want to see what 
it feels like in there. 

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Yeah. 
So maybe I feel the same way 

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some ways. 
Yeah. 

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But Charles, I think, is the one
that told me that I might be a 

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cup queen. 
So I was like, OK, that makes 

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sense, you know? 
So I was like, I'll run with it.

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OK. 
All right. 

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You don't know, well, you know, 
again, the whole concept of cook

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and cock holdery and all that, 
you know, a lot of people have 

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their own vision of what they 
want it to be, but ultimately 

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it's a woman who has sex with 
other people and the husband's 

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OK with it. 
And the husband actually a lot 

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of time does clean up after sex 
and the husband's more 

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submissive, etcetera, etcetera. 
Like when we met little Tiny Tim

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with the tiny Peeny. 
I don't remember Tiny Tim. 

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Him and his wife that came in. 
Oh yeah, Tiny Tim. 

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Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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And you know, that was the same 
situation. 

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He's like, I'm happy if she's 
going out and having sex and 

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blah blah blah blah. 
He. 

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Just wants to hear about. 
It he wants to he. 

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Wants to be the guy though. 
He wants to have a bigger Dick, 

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so he wants to envision having 
sex with her. 

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Yeah, and she wants him to have 
a bigger Dick. 

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And my thing of it is, hey, 
commit to doing a surgery, like 

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make something happen. 
Yeah, I mean, he did have a 

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small Dick. 
He did, but you know, there's 

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ways around. 
That and then some people are 

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too fortunate, like why? 
Why are you? 

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And they usually have like 
freaking bad freaking 

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personalities. 
When they got too big of a Dick.

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I was like got you just shared 
because you don't deserve all 

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that. 
No kidding. 

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God, right now I have this one 
fucking douche bag. 

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He contacts me about his wife, 
we talk about his wife, blah, 

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blah, blah. 
But ultimately, you know, he 

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wants this extreme bondage and 
everything else. 

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He's such a fucking douche 
because it's all about him. 

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He's like his wife can't satisfy
him. 

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His wife doesn't know how to 
choke him out and blah, blah, 

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blah. 
And he's got this massive 

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fucking Dick. 
And then he's like, oh, it's not

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that big. 
I'm like, shut the fuck up. 

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You know it's a good. 
Have I met this person? 

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You haven't met him and you 
know. 

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I thought Tiny Tim was acting 
though, but she she couldn't 

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dominate him. 
Yeah, yeah, he wouldn't play 

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into it. 
Yeah, he wasn't allowing like, 

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OK, well, we got to start 
somewhere. 

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Yeah. 
Even if we start from the 

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bottom, we have to start 
somewhere. 

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You can't jump in. 
Yeah, unbelievable. 

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So you know, we're going to end 
it here. 

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But I will say that men, they 
need to open up. 

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They need to be honest with 
themselves. 

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And honest with their favorite 
person in the whole world, 

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right? 
That's it. 

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You know why be with somebody 
you're not completely happy 

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with? 
Yeah. 

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Then what is marriage? 
Yeah. 

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What is marriage, exactly? 
Yeah. 

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You'll see that we're going to 
be talking to someone sometime 

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this week or next. 
And he has a fetish for a 

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certain type of shoe, and he 
likes to cross dress. 

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And I met him years ago when he 
was in college. 

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And I told him then I'm like, 
you're gay, you're gay, you're 

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gay, you know, And he finally, 
it finally resignated with him. 

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He's like, after he left, he had
that session. 

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He's going to talk about it. 
I'm sure he'll tell us all 

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about, you know, his feelings on
it. 

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But he went and got married and 
I'm like, why are you married to

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a woman? 
Yes. 

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Oh well. 
You can get married to a guy. 

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Well, he needs to be with a man 
to be happy, but he's with a 

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woman and he's not happy, you 
know, because. 

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He needs both. 
I don't know, but something we 

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can ask them, we'll figure it 
out. 

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We'll do an interview with them.
Yes. 

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All right, so until then, Liv, 
this has been the latest episode

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of. 
Call me Mistress.