1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,880 Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Mistress Mia's 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,120 Dungeon. I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,400 and I have today with me Ruby Red and her Doberman, and we're 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,240 going to discuss pet play and the dynamic they share together. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,960 So welcome guys. How are you today? 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Fantastic, I'm. Doing pretty good. 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,840 You know, Doberman, you have such a nice voice. 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,080 Thank you. You do. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,200 You do. I love your voice. 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,480 That's sweet. Tell us, how did you all meet? 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:35,320 So we met through Discord. There was, it was a apparently a 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,280 prime primary primarily like Fendom, which is financial 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,240 domination for those of you who don't know like base. 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,720 And I was labeled because I've tried with other domes and 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,640 trying other dynamics and they just didn't work out with some 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,760 personal shit and all that. And it just didn't work out. 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,520 And throughout the server, I was labeled, quote, a danger to 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:04,400 domes and Miss Ruby, I took a break from it, came back, and 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,360 she was there answering any questions, just being completely 20 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,840 friendly, you know, kind of making sure that I just don't 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,080 leave the kink scene forever. And I kind of asked her like, 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:19,360 hey, like, would you be OK to take me in as you're submissive 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,720 or under consideration? Literally the night that she 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,360 said that to me, I told her I'm like, I was wondering when you 25 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:26,560 were going to fucking ask me that. 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,240 How nice? Yeah, how nice is that? 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,800 It's fucking awesome. I I definitely can't go back to 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,560 vanilla. Fuck vanilla. 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,880 Right. It's I mean if y'all, if those 30 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:42,960 of you who are listening, if you like vanilla, that's you. 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,160 But for me it's not it anymore. People who listen to this show 32 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:54,040 are not into vanilla. We have we have about 80% that 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:59,520 are men and then we have 5 that are non binary and then the rest 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,520 are maybe 8 to 10% women of that. 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,680 So you know, and there's a lot of older listeners that go from, 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,520 you know, 35 to 60, which is, you know, pretty interesting, 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,960 honestly really cool. But you know, after the age of 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,400 40 and you're young, how old are? 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,000 You I'm 21 years old. Oh, you're such a baby. 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,000 See. But, you know, it's interesting 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,960 because after you reach 40, you're kind of like, I don't 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 give a fuck anymore. So a lot of people, you know, a 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,880 lot of our, our people that come to the dungeon, they're like, I 44 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,800 don't give a fuck. We're going to do this, right? 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,920 So what made you think, hey, I'm going to be a puppy, you know, 46 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:39,040 call me fucking Doberman? So it originally was just an 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,520 extreme total power exchange dynamic. 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,000 And I had I had a limit for a little bit being called puppy 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,440 because of a previous dummy that caused some trauma. 50 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,360 And then I started feeling more and more comfortable with Miss 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,120 Ruby. And at that point I told her, 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,880 I'm like, you know, can you try it just to see how it feels? 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,880 And she said, you know, you're my puppy. 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,800 And instantly all that trauma that was there just instantly 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,480 resolved. And I'm like, OK, I'm definitely 56 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 a puppy. And that's kind of how I did it. 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,360 I'd started researching more researching this like the reason 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,800 why puppy play is so like liked upon people and yeah. 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,600 So what do you get from it? I get the satisfaction that one 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,280 mess can show me off however the fuck she pleases, whether it be 61 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,840 shirtless, you know, clothes. I dress more tactical, so that's 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:46,040 actually partial why I got my name and I just enjoy the 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,080 feeling that it gives her of just complete power. 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,320 Having ownership over me, it's fulfilling, gives me a purpose. 65 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,800 That's a great answer. I love that. 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 So Ruby, what do you get from this? 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,960 I love this. So, you know, when I first came 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:11,120 into the scene, I, I had known about pets, you know, like I 69 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,600 understood it. I got the dynamic like I get it, 70 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,800 but I told myself, you know, like it's, it's not my thing. 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,839 Like I don't, I don't want to deal with pets. 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,120 I don't, I don't want to do anything with pets. 73 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:25,840 It's it just seems like too, too soft for me. 74 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:34,120 And, you know, everyone that I seem to attract turns out to be 75 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,360 a puppy. Or in Aaron's case, as you know, 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,920 he's my little Garfield. But all of the submissives that 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,760 tend to stick around with me are fucking puppies. 78 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,880 So he's a Kitty? Cat. 79 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,080 Yes, Aaron's a cat. Oh my God, that's so appropriate 80 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,320 for him. I know this, she says. 81 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,600 He's he's my orange cat. How much that makes? 82 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,320 So much sense. It does make so much sense. 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,840 He's like big and just cuddly with that long hair. 84 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,200 And then we'll have this random strands of just batshit crazy. 85 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:13,800 I'm like, yes, yes, Oh my goodness, thank God he doesn't 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:19,080 have claws. But, you know, for me, it just 87 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,320 kind of became like, OK, well, you know, I keep attracting this 88 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,080 certain type of submissive. Like, it doesn't matter what I 89 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,680 do, what I change, I keep bringing it in like a magnet. 90 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,280 So I'm like, OK, there's got to be something going on here. 91 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,720 So I finally just was like, all right, let's just do this. 92 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,920 So I interacted with my first puppy, submissive, which was at 93 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,120 Fedcon in 2023. I had a lot of fun with him. 94 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,800 He was super sweet. We're friends, but we don't have 95 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,840 like a standing dynamic. He still messages me sometimes. 96 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:59,160 Super sweet guy. And, you know, while I can still 97 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:07,480 be, you know, twisted, sadistic, mentally torturing Ruby, I can 98 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,240 still do that with a puppy who is sitting there whimpering and 99 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,040 shaking and shivering under my touch. 100 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,160 And it's this, it's this like combination of two things 101 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,640 together. And it gives me, like Doberman 102 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,320 said, this feeling of satisfaction, like, Oh my God, 103 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,720 this is this is awesome. And the fact that they're non 104 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,760 verbal when they're in that pub space where they can only make 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,320 noise because they can't think enough to talk. 106 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:43,600 Yes, please give me more like, I don't want you to talk. 107 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,760 I want you to whine and whimper. And that's what she does. 108 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,120 And any puppy that I interact with does. 109 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,400 And Aaron just sits there and goes. 110 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,160 Like a cat. Thank God we don't have to call 111 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,800 PETA on you, you know. She treats her pets well. 112 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,560 OK. Well, that, that's good to know. 113 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Maybe not to PETA standard, but we all know about them. 114 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Tick tock sounds like Don't worry about him. 115 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,040 He gets fed once a week and outside once a day. 116 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:26,520 Don't worry about him. Wow, that is awesome. 117 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,960 That's awesome. So in this dynamic, do you find 118 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,320 yourself you you've been in the harness like last? 119 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Night. Yes, and it, it stimulates this 120 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,880 level of comfort for you security. 121 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,720 That's good. Have you always found yourself 122 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:48,200 to be submissive? No, actually for shit roughly a 123 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,800 little bit under 10 years, I've I was a dominant. 124 00:07:52,640 --> 00:08:00,680 I was yeah, yeah, drama. But yeah, I was, I was a 125 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,960 dominant for a long fucking time and dealing with shit loads of 126 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,440 different people. You know, I was a professional 127 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,280 fuck, I should have been. I would have made money. 128 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,560 But I thought like, I just started feeling like an 129 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,920 emptiness that I'd never felt. And then I was like, oh, maybe 130 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 I'm just not, you know, this enough or that and just kept on 131 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,680 searching until I found out, oh, I'm a switch. 132 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,919 I want to submit. And then I found Discord and fat 133 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,159 life and everything and rest is history. 134 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,240 Yeah, I haven't really explored much on Discord, but you've had 135 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,280 other interactions with other people. 136 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:44,480 Yeah. Discord. 137 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,320 Discord is primarily, it seemed that it's mostly financial 138 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,680 stuff, financial domination and everything there is femdom. 139 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,760 That's the part that I'm pretty associated with. 140 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,560 And some of them, a good majority of them know what 141 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,440 they're doing. But there are some of those that 142 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,800 you really have to make sure that you are vetting, You're 143 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,320 asking questions about, you know, the dominant or the 144 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,400 submissive because people can claim to be one thing whenever 145 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,240 they know nothing about it. And that can just cause issues, 146 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,920 pain and just trauma. Discord is basically a vet life 147 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,480 or only online? Yes, OK, so we need. 148 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,560 The vetting process. When you get in that mindset of, 149 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:37,680 of being a dog, you know, do you feel like it's, it's just 150 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,640 becomes you? Is it just you know, is it 151 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,880 naturally like that submissive feeling automatically? 152 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,880 Or so I don't whenever I get into puppy like pups face, it's 153 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,600 not entirely that I just like instantly drop down to all 154 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 fours. I'm still, you know, bipedal. 155 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,200 Which big word by the way? Absolutely. 156 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:06,800 And it's more of this fuzz that just fills my head similar to a 157 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,240 buzz. But it's really hard to explain 158 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:16,040 unless you've been in it and being a dollar man, I am a 159 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:20,600 little bit traumatic. A little bit so. 160 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,680 I've known you for like 24 hours, yeah. 161 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,520 Sure question. I'm a submissive, but I've 162 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,840 switched before, but I understand submission. 163 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,760 I'm submissive to me and so I get The Wanted to give somebody 164 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,040 power, right, which is what you're describing. 165 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,080 I understand exactly what you're describing. 166 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,240 Well I'm trying to figure out is where the dog mask comes into 167 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,400 it. Does it is it adds something to 168 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,520 it so. The pup mask, the pup hood, it, 169 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:55,800 it adds an element of cuteness as well as it really helps me 170 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:01,000 get much, much, much deeper into subspace and pet space. 171 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,680 It would be similar to somebody, you know, going into subspace a 172 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,640 little bit just from, you know, degradation or praise and then 173 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,080 the added bondage that really just catapults them straight 174 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,400 into past the stratosphere into just super deep subspace. 175 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,200 So. Charles, you remember that first 176 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,160 blogging session you ever had with me? 177 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,960 Probably that we've had a few so. 178 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:30,840 It was the first one you ever had and I had you up on the box. 179 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,280 OK, You remember OK when. I went to subspace for almost. 180 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,640 Yeah, so you remember how you when as I was flogging you, I 181 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,120 started hitting you harder and harder and harder, and then I 182 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,360 kept you toeing that line between subspace and not. 183 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,720 So the pup head to Doberman is basically the equivalent of 184 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:55,320 toeing that line. I can put her into pub space 185 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,960 mentally where she kind of like shakes herself and like waddles 186 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:06,080 around and follows me like that. But she's still very much in her 187 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,640 human mindset. She can still talk, she can 188 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,960 still do things, you know, like a human would. 189 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,560 But when she puts on that hood, if she's toeing that line, it's 190 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,520 essentially the thing that pushes her over. 191 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,640 Like if I were to dig my nails into your into your skin, OK. 192 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,720 It's like that one little extra thing. 193 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,640 It's the. One thing that's like final. 194 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,080 Push, yeah. And I get that to a point. 195 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,360 I just don't understand the actual I get part of this like 196 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,160 like when someone owns a pup they're like caring for. 197 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,280 It Yeah. You love the Master, you take 198 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,680 out wags when they come in and you're happy. 199 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:48,400 I get this because I kind of have similar feelings to a lady 200 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,840 over here. Well, I get that part. 201 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,000 I just can't quite figure out that the Kitty cats. 202 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,080 So it's OK. So basically the the best way I 203 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,440 have come to describe it is just like your submission toward Mia. 204 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,280 You get happy, you're happy to see her, you're happy to do 205 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,600 things for her. You know, whatever she tells you 206 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,240 to do, you're going to do it. But you're still human and 207 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,000 you're still, you know, you're still in this like human 208 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,200 mindset. Pet play is essentially the same 209 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,320 thing, except you're more likely to go non verbal. 210 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:28,640 You're more likely to rely more on your ID, your body. 211 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,280 Language you can let go. You can let go. 212 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,720 You don't have to keep that like human aspect to yourself. 213 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Like you can still walk around on your hand, like on your feet. 214 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,560 You don't have to crawl on the ground or anything. 215 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,600 Some people do go to that extent. 216 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,040 I've seen some of that. Some people do go that far. 217 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,880 And you know, that's, that's OK if that's how far you go. 218 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,520 But for me, I kind of like the more humanoid pets. 219 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,400 I don't go that far. I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I 220 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,080 haven't. I haven't had someone who would. 221 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,200 OK, OK, it's making more sense. This is also like just regular 222 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,560 slavery because some people sleep in chains and aren't 223 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,760 allowed to talk so. It's just different. 224 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,920 Dynamics. It's a different dynamic, same 225 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,280 same bass, different name, OK. And let the puppy play where 226 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,360 they like they have like the fake feet and they can't speak 227 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,440 at all because but that that kind of forces you in that area. 228 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,720 Like if I was forced to sleep in a box with plugs in both ends, 229 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 is the same shit that's going on the same? 230 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,760 Shit, different name different. Little tweaks, yeah, OK. 231 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,120 Those. Are future plans. 232 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,440 I mean, he should throw that out there. 233 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Future plans? I mean, I I wouldn't mind a cage 234 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,920 see but I. Get the change. 235 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,360 I understand the change, I really do, yeah. 236 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,080 And it just, I mean, it really just depends on the submissive. 237 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,200 Like, you know, I've talked about in my past where I was 238 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:01,640 submissive, I was, I was a cat, but I wasn't a full on like pet 239 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,920 cat. I was what's considered an echo, 240 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:08,760 which is a humanoid cat. So I just had the ears and maybe 241 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,920 like finger gloves. OK. 242 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,040 Yeah, that's that's actually. Kind. 243 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,240 Of hit on the head. That's exactly what I am. 244 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Except the puppy. Yeah. 245 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,560 So dog girl, yeah. Pretty much it's the. 246 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,200 Same thing, just different levels, yeah. 247 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:28,880 Exactly love. Girl or bitch, I'm just teasing. 248 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,960 You know what I think? I think too. 249 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,160 I think you could be any animal you want it to be. 250 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:37,000 But I think when everyone thinks of a dog, they think of loyalty. 251 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:37,960 Oh. Absolutely. 252 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,840 If you like, I can tell you how I got the name. 253 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,440 Please please. Because to me, I, I think that 254 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,440 you as a dog just kind of resonates and screams loyalty, 255 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,760 you know? So a Doberman, the breed itself 256 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:59,320 is one scary as fuck. I mean, in my in like my dress 257 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,240 style, I'm very alternative. I'm very, you know, black on 258 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,960 black tactical gear. Bless you, miss. 259 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,840 And I'm also extremely loyal, but more more so. 260 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:19,680 I am so unbelievably protective to the point where I will go 261 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,040 links that we're not going to discuss on the podcast. 262 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,640 OK. And. 263 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Mobster style I understand. I mean, if for those long time 264 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,680 listeners, you all remember Miss Ruby labeling me as a dark 265 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,520 romance, girly and character and that pretty much hits the nail 266 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:45,120 on the head. And so I consider Miss Miss Ruby 267 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,480 a bit of a black cat personality wise where she kind of just 268 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,520 watches and doesn't really interact until she's 269 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,160 comfortable. So I did a little like online 270 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,040 test, like what type of dog breed I would be and a Doberman 271 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,440 came up and I did more research. I'm like, holy shit, that 272 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,640 resonates exactly with me. And it's kind of just stuck 273 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,800 well. Not to mention, you know my 274 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,400 favorite photo of you is you wearing that mask with. 275 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,440 Oh yeah. Ears. 276 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:14,680 Yeah. And I just kind of before you 277 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,520 ever told me that, I kind of just playfully started calling 278 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,680 you my Doberman and. And it stuck. 279 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:20,760 Yeah. You. 280 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,359 Took an online test like it was a BDSM test or. 281 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,000 No, it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, those, those 282 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,960 buzz like the buzzword just random test plus feed. 283 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,000 Thank you. Yeah, BuzzFeed. 284 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,120 Play test, Yeah. It was just one of those. 285 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,840 And that kind of was like, oh, it's like. 286 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,440 What your favorite color says about you. 287 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,560 You know those those bullshit tests? 288 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,320 There's some of them apparently. Apparently some of them really 289 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,720 do work. Well, Charles is part Chihuahua. 290 00:17:51,120 --> 00:17:52,280 Well, Charles is part. Big. 291 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:56,640 I was about to say that. So girly Chihuahua. 292 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,520 Always purple. Things. 293 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,240 No no, I love my my 5 chihuahuas they are. 294 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,400 Adorable, yeah. One day we were coming in from 295 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,760 the back door. Exactly 1 day we were coming 296 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,000 from the back door. And I always have to count them. 297 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,120 I never want to leave them outside. 298 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,640 So I'm like 1230. And then finally Charles comes 299 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,480 in. He's like 6. 300 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,600 I'm here. Yeah, well, they they have the 301 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,960 same reaction. Their tails wag when they hear 302 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,480 you come, and they'll get happy to see you. 303 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,160 You know, they get the lick of your face. 304 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,120 I can't or I'll get slapped. Yeah. 305 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,200 She does too. But yeah, I mean that plane 306 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,000 itself is just like any other dynamic. 307 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 It's just it's your simple at the core. 308 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,960 It is a master slave dynamic with an aspect a more like 309 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,280 sensitive aspect. Yes, because while Doberman will 310 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,600 let me beat the absolute fuck out of her, she doesn't 311 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,400 necessarily enjoy it. She enjoys it because I enjoy 312 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,680 it. Same like you enjoy it when I 313 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,360 electrocute you just because I enjoy it. 314 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,200 I I. Get that? 315 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,880 Yeah. But she prefers my more sensual 316 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,960 sadism, is what she calls it, yes. 317 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,440 Sensual sadism. That one too, yes. 318 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Rubbing, you know, rubbing back and then instantly feeling nails 319 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,040 digging into your into my back or, you know, a a central 320 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,960 massage and then a cold blade like it's. 321 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,520 My favorite is when I make you count your ribs when I dig my 322 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,040 fingernail under your ribs. Yeah, it it hurts in the best 323 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,080 way possible. I completely understand what 324 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,800 that is. But so basically, you know, like 325 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,480 I was saying, probably play in itself, pet play in itself. 326 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,920 It's just a version of master slave. 327 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:52,880 And just like you know any other dynamic really at the core, if 328 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,840 it's if you're submissive at the at your core and your dominant 329 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,120 is dominant at their core and you have a strong dynamic at the 330 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,840 end of the day, if you really sat down and looked at it, 331 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,000 whether you like the terms or not. 332 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,920 Your dynamic is master slave because you will do anything for 333 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,800 them, they will do anything for you, and it's. 334 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,640 Just a different uniform you're wearing for the day. 335 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,880 Exactly. Absolutely. 336 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,320 It's like wearing a French maid outfit. 337 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600 I honestly don't give a shit but I'm still cleaning her house. 338 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:27,160 But that just adding a little bit of a little spice a little 339 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:27,960 bit. Yeah. 340 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,800 Can I ask a question? Of course I can. 341 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,560 Maybe a little personal if not. So yeah, go ahead. 342 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,160 Do you ever feel like I know some people get more like an 343 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,400 animalistic side? Forgot the word for. 344 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,920 Primal. Primal. 345 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,240 Very primal, Yeah. Are you like that or because. 346 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,520 Oh. So I'm, I'm, I'm a primal, both 347 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:57,320 Dom and sub. I, you know with my build 348 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,000 physical, my physical build being a primal sub, I have to 349 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:08,120 slow down because I am damn near double misses speed. 350 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,480 So. But yes, the Doberman part does 351 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,720 come out, especially whenever we do primal play. 352 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:24,960 We like to chase and things like that to make it fair for us 353 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760 because she is so much faster than me and I'm a lot more agile 354 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,520 than her. We kind of mix it up to where 355 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,800 I'm having to duck and weave and, you know, move through and 356 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,280 she can't keep up with me that way. 357 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,720 But there's plenty of straightaways where she can 358 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,920 catch up or I can try to catch her while she's ducking and 359 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,920 weaving because she's so tall. You know, we, we play around, we 360 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,280 have fun biting. A pink for you all. 361 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,400 She she likes it when I bite her, yes. 362 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,640 I've lost count how many bite marks I have on my body. 363 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,640 But she bite. Her so hard too. 364 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,120 I, you know, I thought you said ride there for a second. 365 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:13,680 I said, I bet she rides you so hard, but it kind of fits you 366 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,280 the whole she does. And then early we were talking 367 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,040 about oral sex and you're like, God, that's the way to die, you 368 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,640 know, be suffocated by. Yeah. 369 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,200 Absolutely fucking awesome I have. 370 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,600 A complete agreement with that. That's awesome. 371 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,640 Well. For the most part, there's some 372 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,880 horror stories that could happen. 373 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,360 There's always worse there. There could be no I I be careful 374 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,640 what you wish for because some of the ladies gonna be you might 375 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,280 murder me. I don't. 376 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,320 Want to go out like that? I do, as long as it's my hurt, 377 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,160 not anybody else. Oh, there. 378 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:50,800 You go. What's? 379 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,640 Different but. Yeah, that's awesome. 380 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,160 That's pretty much the, you know, assumptions of it. 381 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,720 I guess there's obviously with any dynamic, there's so much 382 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,160 more underneath it. But at the end of the day, 383 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,240 that's the basic understanding and the best way we can describe 384 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,760 it. And, you know, everybody has 385 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,440 different viewpoints and everybody does things 386 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,920 differently. There is no right or wrong way. 387 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,400 That's just the way we have interpreted, Yeah. 388 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,920 Doing what you enjoy? Exactly. 389 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,800 And that's, that's what kink is doing what you enjoy and. 390 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,480 Try to explain it, but in the end you can't. 391 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,040 Yeah, yeah. I mean it, yeah. 392 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,160 The thing is, like with most subspace Dom space switch space, 393 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,280 either you, it's one of the hardest things to explain 394 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,040 verbally unless the other person that you're speaking to or 395 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,880 audience that you're speaking to has experienced it. 396 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:53,520 It's so it's the English word like the English language cannot 397 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,560 explain it. Trying to explain what 398 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,080 cheesecake tastes like to somebody who's only eaten 399 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,160 bananas their whole life. Exactly to. 400 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Taste it perfect. Analogy. 401 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,680 Wow. All right. 402 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,480 Well, that sounds extremely interesting and I think we'll 403 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,920 just leave it at that. But I will ask one last 404 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,600 question, and that is you're so young and this is such a cool 405 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,040 dynamic. Where do you see yourself in 406 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:21,000 five years with it? Hopefully with more education, 407 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:26,560 obviously that's going to come, hopefully by her side and being 408 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,800 her living puppy. Oh, that's so sweet. 409 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,560 Yeah, thank you. That is sweet, isn't it? 410 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:38,360 You even got the Hortico ride. Just like I just see how happier 411 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:41,800 she is and like, it's like a noticeable difference. 412 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Yeah, that's. Awesome. 413 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,200 And I didn't. Know this part of her life 414 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,560 existed and I'm so happy to see it like. 415 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,080 I said I can be sensual too. I'm not always. 416 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:50,280 What do you do this? Morning just. 417 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,400 Back to Texas. Well, before we end this 418 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,200 podcast, I think my little Doberman should make her cute 419 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,880 little noise. Oh, her cute little bark. 420 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,760 Why don't? You make me. 421 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,920 Do it make? Me, you're being. 422 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,600 A dad do it. Hold on. 423 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,160 Do it. Not that one. 424 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,840 What the The yawn, Yeah. Do you think a little yawn? 425 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Oh yeah. Whenever I yawn, it's quite like 426 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,360 a puppy yawn and stuff. Perfect. 427 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,840 That's cute. Perfect. 428 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,240 I'm going to take my noise out there, but that was great 429 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,240 getting hold of my laughter. OK, well, again, thank you both. 430 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,600 It's been a pleasure. And until then, may all your 431 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,720 fantasies become realities.