Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Mistress Mia's
Dungeon. I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia,
and I have today with me Ruby Red and her Doberman, and we're
going to discuss pet play and the dynamic they share together.
So welcome guys. How are you today?
Fantastic, I'm. Doing pretty good.
You know, Doberman, you have such a nice voice.
Thank you. You do.
I love your voice.
That's sweet. Tell us, how did you all meet?
So we met through Discord. There was, it was a apparently a
prime primary primarily like Fendom, which is financial
domination for those of you who don't know like base.
And I was labeled because I've tried with other domes and
trying other dynamics and they just didn't work out with some
personal shit and all that. And it just didn't work out.
And throughout the server, I was labeled, quote, a danger to
domes and Miss Ruby, I took a break from it, came back, and
she was there answering any questions, just being completely
friendly, you know, kind of making sure that I just don't
leave the kink scene forever. And I kind of asked her like,
hey, like, would you be OK to take me in as you're submissive
or under consideration? Literally the night that she
said that to me, I told her I'm like, I was wondering when you
were going to fucking ask me that.
How nice? Yeah, how nice is that?
It's fucking awesome. I I definitely can't go back to
vanilla. Fuck vanilla.
Right. It's I mean if y'all, if those
of you who are listening, if you like vanilla, that's you.
But for me it's not it anymore. People who listen to this show
are not into vanilla. We have we have about 80% that
are men and then we have 5 that are non binary and then the rest
are maybe 8 to 10% women of that.
So you know, and there's a lot of older listeners that go from,
you know, 35 to 60, which is, you know, pretty interesting,
honestly really cool. But you know, after the age of
40 and you're young, how old are?
You I'm 21 years old. Oh, you're such a baby.
See. But, you know, it's interesting
because after you reach 40, you're kind of like, I don't
give a fuck anymore. So a lot of people, you know, a
lot of our, our people that come to the dungeon, they're like, I
don't give a fuck. We're going to do this, right?
So what made you think, hey, I'm going to be a puppy, you know,
call me fucking Doberman? So it originally was just an
extreme total power exchange dynamic.
And I had I had a limit for a little bit being called puppy
because of a previous dummy that caused some trauma.
And then I started feeling more and more comfortable with Miss
Ruby. And at that point I told her,
I'm like, you know, can you try it just to see how it feels?
And she said, you know, you're my puppy.
And instantly all that trauma that was there just instantly
resolved. And I'm like, OK, I'm definitely
a puppy. And that's kind of how I did it.
I'd started researching more researching this like the reason
why puppy play is so like liked upon people and yeah.
So what do you get from it? I get the satisfaction that one
mess can show me off however the fuck she pleases, whether it be
shirtless, you know, clothes. I dress more tactical, so that's
actually partial why I got my name and I just enjoy the
feeling that it gives her of just complete power.
Having ownership over me, it's fulfilling, gives me a purpose.
That's a great answer. I love that.
So Ruby, what do you get from this?
I love this. So, you know, when I first came
into the scene, I, I had known about pets, you know, like I
understood it. I got the dynamic like I get it,
but I told myself, you know, like it's, it's not my thing.
Like I don't, I don't want to deal with pets.
I don't, I don't want to do anything with pets.
It's it just seems like too, too soft for me.
And, you know, everyone that I seem to attract turns out to be
a puppy. Or in Aaron's case, as you know,
he's my little Garfield. But all of the submissives that
tend to stick around with me are fucking puppies.
So he's a Kitty? Cat.
Yes, Aaron's a cat. Oh my God, that's so appropriate
for him. I know this, she says.
He's he's my orange cat. How much that makes?
So much sense. It does make so much sense.
He's like big and just cuddly with that long hair.
And then we'll have this random strands of just batshit crazy.
I'm like, yes, yes, Oh my goodness, thank God he doesn't
have claws. But, you know, for me, it just
kind of became like, OK, well, you know, I keep attracting this
certain type of submissive. Like, it doesn't matter what I
do, what I change, I keep bringing it in like a magnet.
So I'm like, OK, there's got to be something going on here.
So I finally just was like, all right, let's just do this.
So I interacted with my first puppy, submissive, which was at
Fedcon in 2023. I had a lot of fun with him.
He was super sweet. We're friends, but we don't have
like a standing dynamic. He still messages me sometimes.
Super sweet guy. And, you know, while I can still
be, you know, twisted, sadistic, mentally torturing Ruby, I can
still do that with a puppy who is sitting there whimpering and
shaking and shivering under my touch.
And it's this, it's this like combination of two things
together. And it gives me, like Doberman
said, this feeling of satisfaction, like, Oh my God,
this is this is awesome. And the fact that they're non
verbal when they're in that pub space where they can only make
noise because they can't think enough to talk.
Yes, please give me more like, I don't want you to talk.
I want you to whine and whimper. And that's what she does.
And any puppy that I interact with does.
And Aaron just sits there and goes.
Like a cat. Thank God we don't have to call
PETA on you, you know. She treats her pets well.
OK. Well, that, that's good to know.
Maybe not to PETA standard, but we all know about them.
Tick tock sounds like Don't worry about him.
He gets fed once a week and outside once a day.
Don't worry about him. Wow, that is awesome.
That's awesome. So in this dynamic, do you find
yourself you you've been in the harness like last?
Night. Yes, and it, it stimulates this
level of comfort for you security.
That's good. Have you always found yourself
to be submissive? No, actually for shit roughly a
little bit under 10 years, I've I was a dominant.
I was yeah, yeah, drama. But yeah, I was, I was a
dominant for a long fucking time and dealing with shit loads of
different people. You know, I was a professional
fuck, I should have been. I would have made money.
But I thought like, I just started feeling like an
emptiness that I'd never felt. And then I was like, oh, maybe
I'm just not, you know, this enough or that and just kept on
searching until I found out, oh, I'm a switch.
I want to submit. And then I found Discord and fat
life and everything and rest is history.
Yeah, I haven't really explored much on Discord, but you've had
other interactions with other people.
Yeah. Discord.
Discord is primarily, it seemed that it's mostly financial
stuff, financial domination and everything there is femdom.
That's the part that I'm pretty associated with.
And some of them, a good majority of them know what
they're doing. But there are some of those that
you really have to make sure that you are vetting, You're
asking questions about, you know, the dominant or the
submissive because people can claim to be one thing whenever
they know nothing about it. And that can just cause issues,
pain and just trauma. Discord is basically a vet life
or only online? Yes, OK, so we need.
The vetting process. When you get in that mindset of,
of being a dog, you know, do you feel like it's, it's just
becomes you? Is it just you know, is it
naturally like that submissive feeling automatically?
Or so I don't whenever I get into puppy like pups face, it's
not entirely that I just like instantly drop down to all
fours. I'm still, you know, bipedal.
Which big word by the way? Absolutely.
And it's more of this fuzz that just fills my head similar to a
buzz. But it's really hard to explain
unless you've been in it and being a dollar man, I am a
little bit traumatic. A little bit so.
I've known you for like 24 hours, yeah.
Sure question. I'm a submissive, but I've
switched before, but I understand submission.
I'm submissive to me and so I get The Wanted to give somebody
power, right, which is what you're describing.
I understand exactly what you're describing.
Well I'm trying to figure out is where the dog mask comes into
it. Does it is it adds something to
it so. The pup mask, the pup hood, it,
it adds an element of cuteness as well as it really helps me
get much, much, much deeper into subspace and pet space.
It would be similar to somebody, you know, going into subspace a
little bit just from, you know, degradation or praise and then
the added bondage that really just catapults them straight
into past the stratosphere into just super deep subspace.
So. Charles, you remember that first
blogging session you ever had with me?
Probably that we've had a few so.
It was the first one you ever had and I had you up on the box.
OK, You remember OK when. I went to subspace for almost.
Yeah, so you remember how you when as I was flogging you, I
started hitting you harder and harder and harder, and then I
kept you toeing that line between subspace and not.
So the pup head to Doberman is basically the equivalent of
toeing that line. I can put her into pub space
mentally where she kind of like shakes herself and like waddles
around and follows me like that. But she's still very much in her
human mindset. She can still talk, she can
still do things, you know, like a human would.
But when she puts on that hood, if she's toeing that line, it's
essentially the thing that pushes her over.
Like if I were to dig my nails into your into your skin, OK.
It's like that one little extra thing.
It's the. One thing that's like final.
Push, yeah. And I get that to a point.
I just don't understand the actual I get part of this like
like when someone owns a pup they're like caring for.
It Yeah. You love the Master, you take
out wags when they come in and you're happy.
I get this because I kind of have similar feelings to a lady
over here. Well, I get that part.
I just can't quite figure out that the Kitty cats.
So it's OK. So basically the the best way I
have come to describe it is just like your submission toward Mia.
You get happy, you're happy to see her, you're happy to do
things for her. You know, whatever she tells you
to do, you're going to do it. But you're still human and
you're still, you know, you're still in this like human
mindset. Pet play is essentially the same
thing, except you're more likely to go non verbal.
You're more likely to rely more on your ID, your body.
Language you can let go. You can let go.
You don't have to keep that like human aspect to yourself.
Like you can still walk around on your hand, like on your feet.
You don't have to crawl on the ground or anything.
Some people do go to that extent.
I've seen some of that. Some people do go that far.
And you know, that's, that's OK if that's how far you go.
But for me, I kind of like the more humanoid pets.
I don't go that far. I'm not saying I wouldn't, but I
haven't. I haven't had someone who would.
OK, OK, it's making more sense. This is also like just regular
slavery because some people sleep in chains and aren't
allowed to talk so. It's just different.
Dynamics. It's a different dynamic, same
same bass, different name, OK. And let the puppy play where
they like they have like the fake feet and they can't speak
at all because but that that kind of forces you in that area.
Like if I was forced to sleep in a box with plugs in both ends,
is the same shit that's going on the same?
Shit, different name different. Little tweaks, yeah, OK.
Those. Are future plans.
I mean, he should throw that out there.
Future plans? I mean, I I wouldn't mind a cage
see but I. Get the change.
I understand the change, I really do, yeah.
And it just, I mean, it really just depends on the submissive.
Like, you know, I've talked about in my past where I was
submissive, I was, I was a cat, but I wasn't a full on like pet
cat. I was what's considered an echo,
which is a humanoid cat. So I just had the ears and maybe
like finger gloves. OK.
Yeah, that's that's actually. Kind.
Of hit on the head. That's exactly what I am.
Except the puppy. Yeah.
So dog girl, yeah. Pretty much it's the.
Same thing, just different levels, yeah.
Exactly love. Girl or bitch, I'm just teasing.
You know what I think? I think too.
I think you could be any animal you want it to be.
But I think when everyone thinks of a dog, they think of loyalty.
Oh. Absolutely.
If you like, I can tell you how I got the name.
Please please. Because to me, I, I think that
you as a dog just kind of resonates and screams loyalty,
you know? So a Doberman, the breed itself
is one scary as fuck. I mean, in my in like my dress
style, I'm very alternative. I'm very, you know, black on
black tactical gear. Bless you, miss.
And I'm also extremely loyal, but more more so.
I am so unbelievably protective to the point where I will go
links that we're not going to discuss on the podcast.
OK. And.
Mobster style I understand. I mean, if for those long time
listeners, you all remember Miss Ruby labeling me as a dark
romance, girly and character and that pretty much hits the nail
on the head. And so I consider Miss Miss Ruby
a bit of a black cat personality wise where she kind of just
watches and doesn't really interact until she's
comfortable. So I did a little like online
test, like what type of dog breed I would be and a Doberman
came up and I did more research. I'm like, holy shit, that
resonates exactly with me. And it's kind of just stuck
well. Not to mention, you know my
favorite photo of you is you wearing that mask with.
Oh yeah. Ears.
Yeah. And I just kind of before you
ever told me that, I kind of just playfully started calling
you my Doberman and. And it stuck.
Yeah. You.
Took an online test like it was a BDSM test or.
No, it's kind of it's kind of like, you know, those, those
buzz like the buzzword just random test plus feed.
Thank you. Yeah, BuzzFeed.
Play test, Yeah. It was just one of those.
And that kind of was like, oh, it's like.
What your favorite color says about you.
You know those those bullshit tests?
There's some of them apparently. Apparently some of them really
do work. Well, Charles is part Chihuahua.
Well, Charles is part. Big.
I was about to say that. So girly Chihuahua.
Always purple. Things.
No no, I love my my 5 chihuahuas they are.
Adorable, yeah. One day we were coming in from
the back door. Exactly 1 day we were coming
from the back door. And I always have to count them.
I never want to leave them outside.
So I'm like 1230. And then finally Charles comes
in. He's like 6.
I'm here. Yeah, well, they they have the
same reaction. Their tails wag when they hear
you come, and they'll get happy to see you.
You know, they get the lick of your face.
I can't or I'll get slapped. Yeah.
She does too. But yeah, I mean that plane
itself is just like any other dynamic.
It's just it's your simple at the core.
It is a master slave dynamic with an aspect a more like
sensitive aspect. Yes, because while Doberman will
let me beat the absolute fuck out of her, she doesn't
necessarily enjoy it. She enjoys it because I enjoy
it. Same like you enjoy it when I
electrocute you just because I enjoy it.
I I. Get that?
Yeah. But she prefers my more sensual
sadism, is what she calls it, yes.
Sensual sadism. That one too, yes.
Rubbing, you know, rubbing back and then instantly feeling nails
digging into your into my back or, you know, a a central
massage and then a cold blade like it's.
My favorite is when I make you count your ribs when I dig my
fingernail under your ribs. Yeah, it it hurts in the best
way possible. I completely understand what
that is. But so basically, you know, like
I was saying, probably play in itself, pet play in itself.
It's just a version of master slave.
And just like you know any other dynamic really at the core, if
it's if you're submissive at the at your core and your dominant
is dominant at their core and you have a strong dynamic at the
end of the day, if you really sat down and looked at it,
whether you like the terms or not.
Your dynamic is master slave because you will do anything for
them, they will do anything for you, and it's.
Just a different uniform you're wearing for the day.
Exactly. Absolutely.
It's like wearing a French maid outfit.
I honestly don't give a shit but I'm still cleaning her house.
But that just adding a little bit of a little spice a little
bit. Yeah.
Can I ask a question? Of course I can.
Maybe a little personal if not. So yeah, go ahead.
Do you ever feel like I know some people get more like an
animalistic side? Forgot the word for.
Primal. Primal.
Very primal, Yeah. Are you like that or because.
Oh. So I'm, I'm, I'm a primal, both
Dom and sub. I, you know with my build
physical, my physical build being a primal sub, I have to
slow down because I am damn near double misses speed.
So. But yes, the Doberman part does
come out, especially whenever we do primal play.
We like to chase and things like that to make it fair for us
because she is so much faster than me and I'm a lot more agile
than her. We kind of mix it up to where
I'm having to duck and weave and, you know, move through and
she can't keep up with me that way.
But there's plenty of straightaways where she can
catch up or I can try to catch her while she's ducking and
weaving because she's so tall. You know, we, we play around, we
have fun biting. A pink for you all.
She she likes it when I bite her, yes.
I've lost count how many bite marks I have on my body.
But she bite. Her so hard too.
I, you know, I thought you said ride there for a second.
I said, I bet she rides you so hard, but it kind of fits you
the whole she does. And then early we were talking
about oral sex and you're like, God, that's the way to die, you
know, be suffocated by. Yeah.
Absolutely fucking awesome I have.
A complete agreement with that. That's awesome.
Well. For the most part, there's some
horror stories that could happen.
There's always worse there. There could be no I I be careful
what you wish for because some of the ladies gonna be you might
murder me. I don't.
Want to go out like that? I do, as long as it's my hurt,
not anybody else. Oh, there.
You go. What's?
Different but. Yeah, that's awesome.
That's pretty much the, you know, assumptions of it.
I guess there's obviously with any dynamic, there's so much
more underneath it. But at the end of the day,
that's the basic understanding and the best way we can describe
it. And, you know, everybody has
different viewpoints and everybody does things
differently. There is no right or wrong way.
That's just the way we have interpreted, Yeah.
Doing what you enjoy? Exactly.
And that's, that's what kink is doing what you enjoy and.
Try to explain it, but in the end you can't.
Yeah, yeah. I mean it, yeah.
The thing is, like with most subspace Dom space switch space,
either you, it's one of the hardest things to explain
verbally unless the other person that you're speaking to or
audience that you're speaking to has experienced it.
It's so it's the English word like the English language cannot
explain it. Trying to explain what
cheesecake tastes like to somebody who's only eaten
bananas their whole life. Exactly to.
Taste it perfect. Analogy.
Wow. All right.
Well, that sounds extremely interesting and I think we'll
just leave it at that. But I will ask one last
question, and that is you're so young and this is such a cool
dynamic. Where do you see yourself in
five years with it? Hopefully with more education,
obviously that's going to come, hopefully by her side and being
her living puppy. Oh, that's so sweet.
Yeah, thank you. That is sweet, isn't it?
You even got the Hortico ride. Just like I just see how happier
she is and like, it's like a noticeable difference.
Yeah, that's. Awesome.
And I didn't. Know this part of her life
existed and I'm so happy to see it like.
I said I can be sensual too. I'm not always.
What do you do this? Morning just.
Back to Texas. Well, before we end this
podcast, I think my little Doberman should make her cute
little noise. Oh, her cute little bark.
Why don't? You make me.
Do it make? Me, you're being.
A dad do it. Hold on.
Do it. Not that one.
What the The yawn, Yeah. Do you think a little yawn?
Oh yeah. Whenever I yawn, it's quite like
a puppy yawn and stuff. Perfect.
That's cute. Perfect.
I'm going to take my noise out there, but that was great
getting hold of my laughter. OK, well, again, thank you both.
It's been a pleasure. And until then, may all your
fantasies become realities.