1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,840 Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Call Me Mistress. 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,680 I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia. We've got with me, Madam Liv. 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,120 Morning. Good morning, Liv. 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 How are you? Better are you? 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,320 Better. I hope so. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,120 What a base, I love it. On them drugs and that's 7 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:28,640 supposed to be on. They weren't making beer. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Chip, Chip Cheerio. They were not making her field 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,560 chip chip, nothing, no. That was I was really opposite. 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,120 That was Chip chipping away poor Madam Liv. 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:40,520 All right. And we got over in the left 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,160 corner. Poop, poop, poop, poop. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Little poop. Hiya folks. 14 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:51,360 Well guys, we have had an exciting weekend. 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,320 We had 4th of July and now we're going into the second week of 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,400 July. Where is the summer gone? 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,920 This summer have fucking just vanished. 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,560 It has slipped away. I don't like it. 19 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,240 I don't know either. It's gone way too fast. 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,880 When you get older, time feels like that. 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,320 The year passes so fast. I don't know, my summers usually 22 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,320 go pretty darn slow because I'm not doing a whole lot. 23 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,680 I guess it's 'cause you're. Having fun. 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,680 That's exactly what it is. Party hard. 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,200 You'll stop being so fun so it slows down. 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:23,920 God, in that the tree. Sometimes. 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,400 Even when you are boring, you are fun. 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,440 Come on. All right, think about this. 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,840 What was probably your fun year? Your, your absolute best year, 30 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,680 you think in your life stuff so far? 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,280 I mean, we're, we're in our 30s forties now. 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Let's think about that. I can honestly say when I was 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,840 21, I probably did so much that year that it was insane. 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,280 I was, I was doing 2 jobs. I was going out every night of 35 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,880 the week when there wasn't something to do. 36 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,480 I was still trying to do something that night like it was 37 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,200 rarely and I I ever stayed at home. 38 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,400 Last year, because I've been hindranced when I was younger, I 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,680 didn't move out until I was 17 or I moved out early 17 and then 40 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,120 got married right after. Never go out. 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,600 Like he was very conservative. And then when we, yeah, when we 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,640 get finally got, you know, separated and divorced two years 43 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:17,720 in, the first year was rough. For the second year I was doing 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,160 whatever I wanted and it was really nice to just finally let 45 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:21,520 it go. So he's last year. 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,520 Yeah. I love my childhood, like bits 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,880 and pieces of it, like going around the block, playing 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,440 basketball, riding my scooter, like I liked all that. 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,320 Mr. Kool-aid Pillows. Yeah. 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,520 That's why I found that that bulb, you know I never let go. 51 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:47,880 PO what do you say is your best year? 52 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,200 I'm not trying to be a kiss ass here, but it's definitely been 53 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,480 this year. Wow, that's. 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Great. There's something about being 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,760 amongst like minded people and what's that? 56 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,880 The mind, freedom. It is it is and just being able 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,800 to be your true authentic self, not having a mask constantly not 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,640 try to make up excuses for you know, I can't do that because 59 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,640 I'm going to a dungeon and gonna get beat. 60 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:14,680 You know something that nature it's a little hard to explain to 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,640 you vanilla friends that so you have to wind up, you know, 62 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,760 making up some halfway truths. And so like I said, this year is 63 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,040 been forget awesome. I'm glad I learned a lot about 64 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,960 myself. I'm glad we're glad we met you. 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Very. And don't vanilla friends just 66 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,360 suck? Yeah, I really is how boring 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,320 they are. Really and truly. 68 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,400 Like you have a stale life. See, I don't, I, I don't even 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,440 mind like if they're vanilla and their behavior, it's when they 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,480 have vanilla like judgements, if that makes sense. 71 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,280 Like I you don't have to be into the same thing that I'm into, 72 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,920 but you can't listen to my story. 73 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,280 And if you're not like you can find something to laugh about. 74 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,920 You can find something to find joy in it and like, and, but 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,960 when they're just like, I only want to hear that, Oh, that, 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,240 that's just great. It's just like. 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,720 My sister. Doesn't want to hear open your 78 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 perspective a little bit because I'm not asking you to join in. 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,600 I'm just want to tell you my experience and part of my life 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,920 story. I know, Liv. 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,600 I had, I had asked you something one day and you you called me 82 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,680 and you were like, yeah, you know, I tried to talk to my 83 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,600 sister and try to tell her about my really cool scene, but she 84 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,519 didn't want to hear it. She called me gross. 85 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:20,320 I was like, damn, fuck her. Yeah. 86 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,440 She she said that I gave her an unsolicited Dick pic because I 87 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,000 was showing her sounding and I really am so desensitized by 88 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,600 Dick that I didn't think that was a bad thing. 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,160 I thought she was upset that I sent her a picture of a rod 90 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,040 inside of a Dick. OK, but she was like, no, 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,480 Christina, you just sent me an unsolicited Dick pic. 92 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,480 I was like, ohh, I forgot that. That's like a no no. 93 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,440 I didn't even see a Dick, I just saw her rod in something. 94 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,240 Yeah, I wasn't even thinking that way, but she knows what I 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,080 do, so I just didn't think it was that big of a deal. 96 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,080 And we send each other our boyfriends Dicks. 97 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,080 Like, look how big? That's what. 98 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,560 I well obviously she solicited to that one. 99 00:04:53,840 --> 00:05:00,560 Yeah, I'm saying it's it's so it's selective, I guess. 100 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Yeah, selective on her Dicks. You know, it's a part of the 101 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,760 human anatomy. Yeah, but when you stick needles 102 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,840 and rods through it, you know but. 103 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,880 She's not even that interested in sex. 104 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,840 So, like, what the fuck does it matter? 105 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,400 Yeah, my sister, my eldest sister. 106 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,000 I I will tell you, she used to. And she's been married to her 107 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,320 gay husband still to this day for almost 40 years. 108 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,360 And they used to have a set day every week on a Tuesday to have 109 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,080 sex. And that was it. 110 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,560 They both worked, you know, numerous jobs. 111 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,720 They raised, you know, five children together. 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,280 They had a very full, active life. 113 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,480 However, it should have been an indicator that he was a very 114 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,200 sterile, clean man and that he wanted sex only one night a 115 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:47,960 week. Right? 116 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,240 OK, that is. Gay. 117 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,240 If she should have realized that my thing of it is I have tried 118 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,080 to have a conversation with her because she feels it necessary 119 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:03,040 to kiss ass to my aunt and tell my aunt on some level what she 120 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,560 thinks I do right. And my aunt is highly religious, 121 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,200 my sister is highly religious and it's always fucking 122 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,880 religion. And it's just, it's mind numbing 123 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,160 like nobody gives a fuck. I really I don't care. 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,600 But at the end of the day, when they both have called me to 125 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,360 criticize me about what they think I do right, they 126 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,200 automatically think that I'm just this horrible person on so 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,440 many levels. But interested of your job. 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,400 Yes. That's so weird. 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,120 It is, and the fact that I talk about it on the podcast. 130 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Yeah, no, I've I've. Just to each their own, you 131 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,480 know, if you're as long as you're not hurting yourself or 132 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,000 nobody else, why does it? Matter. 133 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,280 Why isn't? It it's just the misconceptions 134 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,640 that people have like they think, Oh, don't like having 135 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,000 you're going there. Well, like, for example, if 136 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,120 they're very, you know, religious, they automatically 137 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,400 think, Oh, that that has something to do with the devil. 138 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,680 Or I mean, like, I, I've heard it so many times and to the 139 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,520 point where I just go, I don't know, maybe it's the, you know, 140 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,320 the, yeah, the worst, best choice you'll ever make, you 141 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,440 know, highway to hell, babe. You know, I don't, I don't know 142 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,520 what to, what to tell you. Because when they have that 143 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,920 exactly, they have that mindset, there's nothing that I can say 144 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,880 to to alter that mindset. So I don't even really know why 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,920 they're telling me their mindset at that point. 146 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,960 Because you know, you're not wanting to have a conversation 147 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,400 and to look at it from my point, even though I will have the 148 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,760 conversation and I can look at it from your point, you're not 149 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,120 going to give me the same courtesy. 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,600 But why even have that conversation? 151 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,000 That's why I only like understanding people. 152 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,840 You don't have to be part of the dungeon, but you can be 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:34,920 understanding it. Sure. 154 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,920 What's the word? You know, caring. 155 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,240 Or like what's compassionate? Compassionate. 156 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:39,960 Empathetic. Yeah. 157 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,080 Yeah, compassion to other people and their feelings. 158 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Just well, interestingly enough, we'd all gone out to dinner. 159 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,280 Liv was there, everybody was there. 160 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,320 My eldest sister actually listened to me tell my niece, my 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,320 eldest niece about specifically two people that I've seen in the 162 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,640 dungeon. And I was like 1 was very much 163 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,680 suicidal before we met. That's it. 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,160 He had a very difficult life and you know, he wants to cross 165 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,640 dress and it was not accepted by his wife. 166 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,200 This is something, you know, I've, I've known, I've helped 167 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,920 him. It's been many years that he's 168 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,440 continue to see me. And so that doesn't make me a 169 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,720 bad person at all. And then there was another 170 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,560 gentleman. I, I told her, I said, you will 171 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,320 not think that you know the guy next door or the uncle or your 172 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,920 boss or people who are really like into BDSM and they had this 173 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,960 kink. You'd never think that they were 174 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,480 a crossdresser or they were in into spanking or it's just 175 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:38,400 something, something specific I said because everybody's into 176 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,120 something I said. It doesn't make them a bad 177 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,640 person. And believe it or not, my eldest 178 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,880 sister was actually sitting there intently, listening 179 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,200 intently. It's crazy. 180 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,720 And I told my niece, I said, you know, I got the nicest e-mail a 181 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,360 few months ago. And I said it was very direct to 182 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,640 say, hey, Mia, I really, truly appreciate everything you've 183 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,320 ever done for me. I love you. 184 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,320 You're the best. You don't believe. 185 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,320 You won't believe how much this has helped me in my life. 186 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 We get emails like that all. The time, all the time. 187 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,200 I've sent a few of those emails so. 188 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,760 You will PO. You will because you guide 189 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,080 people through the fact that you've come here, you opened 190 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,080 yourself up, you talk about being an adult baby freely and 191 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,560 comfortably so and then you've talked about being Master Viper, 192 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,920 just changing it up and. Being you did that beautifully, 193 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,120 you did. I really appreciate that you 194 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,760 helped a lot too, because I, I was feeding off of your energy, 195 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 you know, as we were going through it and I was of course 196 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,920 feeding off of. Everybody in the room. 197 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,840 Sage is energy, you know, I just all the energy that was going 198 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,160 through there and like I said it, it just made for a beautiful 199 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,760 team. Honestly, I couldn't believe how 200 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,960 well it went, but I do know when I went home, God, I was high 201 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,400 like hours high like no drug could touch that high. 202 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,320 That's a good that's a good day Tater. 203 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,520 You got lost and your thought was great. 204 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:04,360 It's great. Now, interestingly enough, a few 205 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,320 years back, my other sister, now I have two sisters, but my other 206 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,360 sister moved in. She'd gone through a terrible 207 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,520 divorce and she'd really struggled with a lot because 208 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:15,400 ultimately I knew the relationship that she had with 209 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,600 her, with her husband and he was very much kind of like he would 210 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,560 top her. And I think really he's more of 211 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:26,480 submissive and more or less wants to be objectified in the 212 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,080 fact that she's very much submissive. 213 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:32,840 And I didn't really want to see it because with me, I like to be 214 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,480 surrounded by women who want to be dominant. 215 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Females find empowerment. But I should have known because 216 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,000 in real life, my sister is a bitch. 217 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,480 She's a miserable bitch at times. 218 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,960 And in turn, I love her. It doesn't change anything, 219 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,360 right? But I saw her at a party. 220 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,200 She came to a party and she was one of your parties, Yes. 221 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,160 And she was dating a very much much older man who was almost 222 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,120 70, and my sister at the time was probably 50. 223 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:03,560 OK, that's a. That's a big. 224 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,040 That's a daddy gap. Like a generational gap like. 225 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,600 Yes, that's a daddy gap. And I told her I said look, he's 226 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,120 he's a daddy gap. I figured out. 227 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,280 Never heard that term before. I like it, I just. 228 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,080 Came up with that poem that was right off the fucking. 229 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Right off the Dome I love. It right off the Dome because 230 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,000 right now I have a Mama gap going on with one of my Subs and 231 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,920 that's OK, I'm lobby. I'm sorry Mommy Gap has a 232 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,240 totally different image in my head to the Daddy Gap. 233 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Daddy gap. I'm thinking like this is where 234 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,360 the older generation that like went to the gap store when they 235 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,320 become dads this is where they go to shop Mommy gap. 236 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Thinking about their gap in between the. 237 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Legs. Yeah, instead of JJ. 238 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,800 Oh my. God go straight to such a man. 239 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,640 I'm talking gap in age you fucking crap. 240 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,800 Not the God damn gap story either, or fucking pussy. 241 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Oh, I just want to fall into the gap. 242 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,920 Please let me do. It oh the double teaming me I 243 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:01,280 love. It. 244 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:08,200 Fantasies become reality. But. 245 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,520 I'm so sorry. Anyway, back to the daddy gap. 246 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:17,400 My sister really loved the concept of wanting to have an 247 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,280 older man objectifier and he did. 248 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,800 He was just like grabbing her ass and pulling up her skirt and 249 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,040 treating her like a little girl dirty whore. 250 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:30,120 And I was like, oh, you know, I was like, oh God, you know, you 251 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,120 don't want to see your older sister that way because I want 252 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,480 the empowered bitch that I know, like fucking bitch. 253 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:40,920 Put him in a skydam place. Don't let this old man grope 254 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:41,760 you. It's gross. 255 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,440 And he's not even attractive. Like give me a sexy older man. 256 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,920 Let. Let's think of a silver fox. 257 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:48,720 Silver. Fox Fuck yeah. 258 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,400 He's not even that. I don't think he's that old. 259 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Actually, he's in his. 60s, right? 260 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,200 I mean, for me, that's a big gap. 261 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,400 He's basically, but he's very attractive. 262 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,400 He's a very attractive guy. But then you take somebody I'm 263 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,120 thinking of like a celebrity, like I'm. 264 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,000 I'm just saying. James Brolin, Clint Eastwood. 265 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Oh, God. Sylvester Stallone, you tell me. 266 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Sylvester Stallone wants to fuck George Clooney. 267 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:18,600 No, fuck George Clooney. It's my I ask you your opinion. 268 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,600 But Sylvester Stallone, trust me, I would. 269 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,960 Fuck, it would be yes. Sylvester Stallone started off 270 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,120 in his career doing a porn called The Italian Stallion 271 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,360 because he has a big monster cock. 272 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,640 So you only like. Him for his Dick? 273 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,160 No, he's a beautiful fucking man. 274 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,680 And you know what else I love about him? 275 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,400 I know he's got to be submissive because his mommy was a fucking 276 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,440 cunt to him his entire life. She was horrible to him. 277 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,080 She wished that he would never been born. 278 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,080 Terrible. And he was beautiful. 279 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,040 God, he was beautiful in his 20s with his dark fucking hair. 280 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,920 Sexy ass Italian. I love fucking Italian men. 281 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,000 I don't care their age, he is a gorgeous fucking man. 282 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,960 And anyway, he. Aged well, he. 283 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,040 Goes to the fucking gym. He's still ripped God, and he's 284 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,880 still got that monster cock. I'm sorry, Liv, sorry about 285 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,040 that. But I've never seen the monster 286 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,240 cock I've. Been looking for fucking Italian 287 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,360 Stallion if I ever find that. Man we need to look for that. 288 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,960 Look for a. I'm on the search. 289 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,040 I'm on that. Fucking porn right there. 290 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,760 I'm going to see some Italian Stallion. 291 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,040 Sly Dick. That's what I want. 292 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,080 OK all. Right. 293 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,720 When's your birthday? All right. 294 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,680 Just saying I have a deadline. Couple days before Valentine's. 295 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,560 That's what I want. Italians dead. 296 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,720 Yeah, OK. But anyway, I see my two sisters 297 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,560 and what they want sexually, and it's like, I don't want to, you 298 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,520 know, me, I don't really want to read into people about what they 299 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,320 really like sexually. I really don't. 300 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,520 But it's just a dead giveaway. Like both of them are very much 301 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 submissive. And it's like, you know, right. 302 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Because in real life they're fucking bitches. 303 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Like they're mean, bitter, they're fucking bitches and they 304 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,640 want some man, like, take charge and, you know, do whatever 305 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,200 they're gonna do. That's your sister. 306 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,880 Yes. See. 307 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Yeah. Hang. 308 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:08,800 On. Yeah. 309 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,320 And she's, like, really hardcore. 310 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,280 I can do whatever what I want. I can beat you up. 311 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,400 Yeah, You know, she's in charge all the time. 312 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,600 But yes, she definitely likes men that will put her in her 313 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,520 place but then doesn't want to be put in her place. 314 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,360 This. Yeah, she's struggling with it 315 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,280 because then you said she was dating these guys and she would 316 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,760 stop having sex with them when she was in a relationship with 317 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,000 them. She was more dating submissive 318 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,840 men then. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she likes that 319 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,640 control. But in actuality, she needs an 320 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,520 equal yes, who will pull her fucking hair, ram it in her, 321 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,280 push her face, stop it and tell her to shut the fuck up? 322 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,560 That's my tummy hurt. Hurt because a big Dick is in 323 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:55,080 it. Ohh I love my life. 324 00:15:57,920 --> 00:15:59,760 Can you blame me? No, no, not at. 325 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,520 All I'm telling you, you get a fucking visual. 326 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,520 It's. Great, I love it. 327 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Lily she gets sends me pictures to show me I guess makes her 328 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,240 feel better to be told she's beautiful when she's in sexy 329 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,920 poses and I don't mind it. I love editing her pictures for 330 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,920 her, but I'm thinking about those pictures when you said 331 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,400 that. They're like, now you know, now 332 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,400 you know. She wants a Dom male. 333 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Oh yeah, I know she does. But she can't because she wants 334 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,080 the control too. She wants the control too, yeah. 335 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:26,440 Wants her cake. Need it too. 336 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,320 So someone that we know, she asked me yesterday to really go 337 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,520 into analyzing her yes, naming nameless and my thing of it is 338 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,520 again, I don't like analyzing people, but she insisted no, I 339 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,280 don't. I like analyzing my friends like 340 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,000 that, you know, unless they really unless they ask me PO 341 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,560 seriously. And so I broke it down for did I 342 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,280 not you? Did a beautiful job. 343 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,800 OK, so I also broke something else down for someone else. 344 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,320 He grew up with an extremely physically abusive father. 345 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,000 We're just gonna say pink panties, OK? 346 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,840 Pink panties, yes. So pink panties, OK? 347 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,000 Pink panties I get the pink Panthers long stuck in my head. 348 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,079 I got such a little boy thought he can't when he hears pink 349 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,560 panties he thinks of Pink Panther, not actual a person in 350 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:16,680 fucking pink panties. I. 351 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,440 Am a little you. Are. 352 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,079 Teapot. But I'm tall and stout. 353 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,480 But anyway, so pink panties, he asked me to analyze them. 354 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,320 He's like, you know, you're always on the podcast, you 355 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,720 analyze people. I said, let's break this down. 356 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,720 I said, OK, well, here's the thing. 357 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,120 When I ever meet anybody who has had a physical abusive father, 358 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:42,360 they always want to do a scene where you make them cry, OK? 359 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:43,680 And it wasn't him. I would. 360 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,760 I'll get them to that point. He will get there. 361 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,120 Trust me about that. We can come back to that. 362 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,000 OK, which part? The making you cry in the scene. 363 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,000 The making you cry in the scene. OK, so years ago, I had this 364 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,080 this one gentleman came and he said that he literally watched 365 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,240 his father kill his mother and it devastated him. 366 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,960 And he cried so much that he never could cry again. 367 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,040 He couldn't save her. He couldn't do anything. 368 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,800 But he watched the 11 years of his life. 369 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,840 He watched his father abuse his mother. 370 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,400 And he was always, you know, he was the little kid, He was the 371 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,040 runt. He couldn't do anything. 372 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,800 He couldn't fight dad off. And if he did, dad would beat 373 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,160 the fuck out of him. And on and on and on. 374 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,120 And So what did he do? Now that he's an adult, he comes 375 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:30,120 to the dungeon. He wants to be beat so bad that 376 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,760 he wants me to make him cry. And I would get him to that 377 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,600 point and I would punch him and I would hurt him and I would say 378 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,680 fucking cry your fucking weak little pussy. 379 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,120 And that's what did it. He wants to feel like his 380 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,480 mother. He wants to be stepping into his 381 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,480 mother's shoes, right? No, what he wanted, he wanted to 382 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,080 be punished because he couldn't save his mother. 383 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,160 OK, you feel that, right? And so now he goes to troubled 384 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,560 women who are troubled women in like, bad work environments, 385 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,280 like strippers or prostitutes. And he wants to save them 386 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,400 because he was never able to save his mother. 387 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,760 And so here he ends up going to a Hell's Angels bar in 388 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:15,080 California and he walks in and, you know, they share their 389 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,280 women. That's how that shit works. 390 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,360 This woman was getting fucked in a bar with these bikers, and he 391 00:19:21,360 --> 00:19:24,680 goes in and he's in the military and he wants to save her. 392 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,320 And I'm like, dude, they don't want to be saved when they're 393 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,360 like that. They have the choice to leave at 394 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:32,440 some point. They can get away at some point. 395 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,960 I mean, I've not been about it. Well, yeah, I can say I had an 396 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,920 abusive first husband. You know, I can fall back on 397 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,600 that. But I'm not using it as an 398 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,560 excuse. I'm just saying there's a point 399 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,800 where enough is enough and you can only take so much. 400 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,760 I said you cannot save anybody. I said your mother was in a 401 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,520 situation maybe she didn't have support from her family. 402 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,720 Maybe she didn't have, you know, love and support. 403 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,840 She didn't have something, but there was something in her mind 404 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,960 where she continued to stay with your father. 405 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,360 You can never change that. You can never go back. 406 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,720 So that was that situation. He wanted to cry. 407 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,200 He wanted to be punished for not saving her. 408 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,520 Now pink panties was more or less he was given a silver 409 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,800 spoon. He had a very elaborate. 410 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,040 Wealthy life growing up as a kid and his dad again beat the fuck 411 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,000 out of him. He got punished, none of his 412 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,520 siblings got punished, so forth so on. 413 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,880 All the siblings, all girls. So a lot of times when boys grow 414 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,880 up and they watch their sisters get treated like little ladies 415 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,200 and they get treated better, they're more apt to as adult 416 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,160 men, thinking that if they're feminized, they'll get the 417 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,080 treatment and the love and the acceptance they never got as a 418 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,400 little boy. So that's what happens there. 419 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,600 Interesting. Then at the same time he was 420 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,880 seeking refuge and I told him he loves to wear thongs, loves to 421 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,440 wear thongs. And I said, I'm going to tell 422 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,400 you that between the ages of 8 to 14, primarily 8 to 12, we 423 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,360 develop a sexual drive. We see things in a sexual way. 424 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,440 At some point, I said, in our environment and how we're raised 425 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,920 and what we're around, people were around structures that into 426 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,960 how we become adults and what we're sexually turned on by. 427 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,720 I said, So with your father being abusive, your mother 428 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,480 condoning it, ultimately, at some point you had to have worn 429 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,840 her panties or something of hers that was feminine. 430 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,000 You felt that fabric against your skin. 431 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,960 You felt the intimacy, the closeness with your mother that 432 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,280 you weren't getting as a child, and you sought refuge and 433 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,800 wearing her clothes. He paused. 434 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,520 And he thought, He thought at some point I didn't know what 435 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,760 the fuck I was talking about because why should I break this 436 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,880 apart? And his response was, yeah, when 437 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,280 I was 8 years old, I started wearing my mom's thongs because 438 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,000 that's what I did, right? And I'm like, yeah, because your 439 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,040 mother was not there emotionally for you. 440 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,480 And when you have a neglectful mother who does not emotionally 441 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,320 support their children, that's what you get. 442 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,520 You get some type of adverse effect for when they're adults. 443 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:14,000 And this is what they do. And then I also said to him, he 444 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,160 has the whole cuck fantasy that he will be in a relationship, he 445 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,120 will be deprived of sex because in his mind, he's not good 446 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,400 enough for sex. He's not good enough for that 447 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,840 level of intimacy he had. He thinks lowly of himself. 448 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,040 Now he projects otherwise. But I can see right through 449 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,920 that. That's a mask. 450 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,960 It's a total mask. He doesn't want to get anything 451 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,160 for himself. He doesn't want to look the 452 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 best. He can look more or less. 453 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Everything's kind of a routine for him because I've seen him in 454 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,560 like in the same outfits and they're very few and far 455 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,400 between. So I'm like, he's not 456 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,960 materialistic. Therefore he doesn't think he's 457 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,840 good enough to to get nice things for himself. 458 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:56,120 Like he doesn't work alone. It's just like little things 459 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,160 like that that you see in a person. 460 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,120 And he had a beard for many years. 461 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:04,920 And I always say, and this is not directed at you PO, you do a 462 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,560 lot of fashionable things. You're very in tune with 463 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,560 yourself and you like to change things up. 464 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,120 You have, you have the look on your face like you like, because 465 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:16,800 you're very consistent with keeping your hair up and your 466 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,240 facial hair up and that kind of thing. 467 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,880 But men that have beards that don't keep up their beards 468 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,320 right, that don't maintain themselves like they should, 469 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,400 they're hiding. They're hiding behind that beard 470 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,520 and it is a mask for them. No, that's a total mask. 471 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,040 It's a total mask. Bore mine for many years and 472 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,040 that's, you know, that's what it was. 473 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,440 It wasn't until I started hanging around 2 beautiful 474 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,560 ladies that you know, I was like show myself, get my stuff 475 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,640 looking good and you know, make it where they actually maybe 476 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,280 want to, you know, they'll get me and hang out with me. 477 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,920 You're pretty now. I said pretty. 478 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,400 But I think that a lot of people that listen to the podcast, I 479 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,080 think a lot of people, whether it's cross dressers or whomever 480 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,320 in the lifestyle, I think they never want to really address why 481 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,920 they are who they are. And that is okay. 482 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,560 If they don't feel like they can come and step to the mic, for 483 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,880 example, to really feel who they are, then they're not ready, 484 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,880 right? But pink panties has a long way 485 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,120 to go. And at this point, he to me and 486 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,760 I told him, I said, you are inferior to other men. 487 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,200 He's like, no, I respect man. I said yes, because again, you 488 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,880 think you're beneath a lot of men. 489 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:27,520 That is why you want to use someone like a girlfriend as a 490 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,800 person that you can live vicariously through that they're 491 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,120 the ones getting fucked when you can't have it. 492 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,840 And, and I bent him over fingering his ass. 493 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,160 I'm doing these things. And let me tell you, he was so 494 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,560 resistant to getting milk, to getting his prostate milk. 495 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,160 He fucking loved it. He was shaking. 496 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,280 He was shaking. But in his mind he's thinking, 497 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,440 I'm, I'm fucking liking this shit too much. 498 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,960 Am I fucking bisexual? Am I gay like he was? 499 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,240 He's like, please don't, please don't, mistress, please don't. 500 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,640 And I'm like, you really fucking want it. 501 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600 I know you do. And it's OK because this is 502 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520 without judgement, right? I'm, I'm getting you through 503 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,920 this. I want him to get through this 504 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,760 journey right and breakthrough. But he has made excuses for his 505 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,600 father and he talks about how much he accepts him and that 506 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,240 he's forgiven him. And then it's over. 507 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,640 And that's what we do. We do that. 508 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600 And I hate to use the word victim, but when we're 509 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,680 victimized or terrorized by our parents at some point, that is 510 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,640 what we do as an adult, We excuse it. 511 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,720 That's what we do. I never did. 512 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800 Yeah, but I'm saying you're also not in denial of who you are. 513 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,040 You've you've come to light with who you are. 514 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,360 But it's people like poor Pink Panties who is seriously still 515 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,480 in denial about who he is, what he wants. 516 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,800 Right, I know I, you know, have defended, you know, my mom and 517 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,480 like, but it's not AI don't see what she did as being correct 518 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880 and being OK. It's just that was part of my 519 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560 process to be able to accept and to go. 520 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,840 I've been carrying this feeling forever and I'm just tired of it 521 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080 and I don't you, you did something be it I felt a certain 522 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,480 way because I'm allowing myself to carry that. 523 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,480 That was just much easier at some point to go. 524 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,080 We're all human. We all make mistakes. 525 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,320 Sucks that it happened then, but it happened and you're not the 526 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,960 same person now. I see the way you treat the 527 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,680 grandkids. I see the way you treat other 528 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000 people. You know, if you're great to my 529 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,960 grandparents that you know, live with it like but you know, but 530 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,120 sometimes you know, you do have to eventually just go. 531 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,880 I'm tired of that burdensome. Head substance, we carry the 532 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,320 weight and we're forced to be the one that have forgive yes, 533 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,920 and that's one thing to face your own feelings in it because 534 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,840 usually you're suppressing suppressing once you finally 535 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,520 feel yes, letting them all out. That's a lot on a person. 536 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,320 And so it's just unfair that we have to go through not only the 537 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,400 problem and the victimizing and then the finally the releasing 538 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,280 of it. They don't go through nothing. 539 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,520 They go through nothing. Actually, sometimes they don't 540 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,360 even have guilt towards it and you still have to forgive them. 541 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,120 When they don't have guilt, you're just like, why? 542 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,760 Because. Selfish people do selfish 543 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,400 things. That's what happens. 544 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,400 And I'm at the point where I'm like, I doubt I'll ever even 545 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,320 confront the subject with her. I don't think she will ever be 546 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,080 able to acknowledge, accept it, acknowledge it and go. 547 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,200 And if she does, it would be in a, a strange way, you know, to 548 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,360 just where. Yeah. 549 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,360 And so it's just like, no, I don't. 550 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,520 I don't. I don't need to put myself 551 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,800 through that either. Then that's just going to give 552 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,040 me more of that guilt. Yeah. 553 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,680 And then it's going to do. I like the way you know that 554 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,360 everything is now. You know, they they are the 555 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,440 reason why they are because of their parents. 556 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,160 So can you really fault fault them? 557 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,320 And then what about their parents? 558 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,760 How are they? Why were they treated like that? 559 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,280 It's just like a never ending story. 560 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,880 It's like, who is the bad guy? Yeah, it's all a cycle. 561 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Who? Is the bad guy. 562 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,800 Generational curses. Yes, but that's when Poe is 563 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,640 going to stop the cycle. That's exactly it. 564 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,880 That's it. Poe's gonna stop the. 565 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,320 Cycle. You're starting a whole new 566 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,600 cycle of something else. No, you're stopping the cycle 567 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,320 because you're being the best mom you can be. 568 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,960 I know they're saying. What I have changed might be its 569 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,600 own trauma in itself. OK. 570 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,880 Like they were so strict on me that maybe I'm not strict 571 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,360 enough, you know, like, you know, you go back, you know. 572 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,880 So it's like, am I hurting them just in a different way? 573 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,640 I overthink though, so to be. No, it's a very fair, you know, 574 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,640 question analogy to kind of pose to yourself and go, OK, where is 575 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,440 that line? I don't want to be this person, 576 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,440 but I also don't want to be way down here, but let you. 577 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,040 So yeah, it's a very fine line to walk and. 578 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,520 If you coddle them and cater to them with material things and 579 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,240 baby the shit out of them then they're going to be baby 580 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,440 bitches. You know, or just plan out 581 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,040 bitches and expect things from people and then they haven't, 582 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,200 they don't work towards anything. 583 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,000 They don't try to earn anything. They just want it. 584 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,680 And that's the obstacle word is when you give them yes, they can 585 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,800 earn something, they can work towards a goal. 586 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,200 You can reward that behavior. You know, that's just positive 587 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,920 reinforcement. That should be every parent's 588 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,720 ultimate goal. Yeah. 589 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,680 So one of my friends, they are in the medical field. 590 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,440 She's a doctor, right? And she has raised two boys, two 591 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,000 boys that she did not raise as men. 592 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,360 They have both finished college. They're twins. 593 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360 They want to be doctors, but honestly, they're fucking 594 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,840 bitches. These boys are big, overweight 595 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,480 Mama's boys won't do their fucking laundry. 596 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,440 Mama either pays for them to get their laundry done. 597 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,600 They don't have to work. That's a lot of weight for her 598 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,520 to hold, too. Oh well, she's a doctor, she can 599 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,440 afford it. I'm just saying, like to hold 600 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,280 that weight as a mother that you've grown kids, you have to 601 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:21,720 still take care of them. That's a lot. 602 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840 Oh, she don't care though. She likes to say. 603 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,600 She may have that savior complex. 604 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,840 Dude. It's like I get to step in and 605 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,800 save the day. Yeah, and she's a fucking 606 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,080 enabler, and that's what she is. And it's like when I, I'm 607 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,280 looking at her and I was like, you realize what you're doing. 608 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,640 You're not raising men, you're raising manchild that these 609 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,800 manchild people are not going to have productive lives and 610 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640 marriages. That's the trauma of herself. 611 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,480 She needs somebody to constantly be around and needing her. 612 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,840 But it's her children and it's men children. 613 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,320 Yes, she's hindering. She doesn't want them to leave 614 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,200 and go to another wife like she did that. 615 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,440 That's a trauma on her and it's affecting now her kids. 616 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,520 That's a good observation. Yes, and so parents. 617 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,000 Bottom line, they fuck. Every single generation. 618 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,680 Have you seen the new generation coming out? 619 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,880 Oh my God, I'm over. Jesus Christ. 620 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,480 Yes, coddled if we ever went into war. 621 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,480 We're doomed. We are doomed. 622 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,040 And you said? I'm serious. 623 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,000 No, you all had to be like, oh, your oldest child has to go in. 624 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,560 We're all doomed. Yeah. 625 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,000 The oldest one is always a little bit weird, like a 626 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,840 pancake. Your first pancake's always a 627 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,760 little weird. OK. 628 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,160 Thank you for for because I was going near the pancakes, but 629 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,560 it's. Not fluffy. 630 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,080 Yeah, no, it's not cooked all the burger all the way it's. 631 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,000 Burnt a little bit in one spot. It's not. 632 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640 White circle. I like the analogy. 633 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,200 All right, so don't raise a pancake. 634 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,760 Don't raise a pancake was the ass pancake. 635 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,480 Oh, my goodness. That's been exciting. 636 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,840 But yeah, you know, it's interesting to analyze people. 637 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,520 Bottom line now, PO, I will say that I had an adult baby years 638 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,040 ago that came in his mother was in the lifestyle. 639 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080 I knew his mother. I met her a couple times. 640 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,360 Not I wasn't associated with her in any way. 641 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,400 But they end up coming to the same party. 642 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,680 They realized this because they both signed up. 643 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,520 They both found each other's fat life. 644 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,040 He made sure that he was in the far corner of the yard and she 645 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,200 was pretty much in the main house the whole night. 646 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,120 That's still weird. It's still fucking weird. 647 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,240 Bottom line, he comes for a session and he is an adult baby. 648 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,200 OK. And immediately I've had so many 649 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,920 adult babies say to me, oh, it was nothing about my mom. 650 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,040 And I'm like, motherfucker, can you look to your left one more 651 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,320 time and lie to me that it wasn't Mama that created this? 652 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,440 And so when I met his mother, I automatically new she is a 653 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,040 selfish fucking cunt right who did not emotionally support her 654 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,200 child. Boom. 655 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,280 And now you got somebody who is an adult baby and not that it's 656 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,320 a bad thing. No at all. 657 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,360 No, it's not. Period. 658 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,520 But I think it is important that you do analyze yourself and try 659 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,600 and figure out why you are that way and then. 660 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,400 And I told him. That you can't accept yourself 661 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,040 and you can't accept the behavior, and you're always 662 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,760 going to think it's taboo and it's so weird. 663 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,320 Yes. Once I figure it out, that's 664 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:11,880 whenever I was able to go. I'm cool. 665 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,320 Yeah. Usually one of the people around 666 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:14,440 you to accept you. Yeah. 667 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,800 You really want it to be like your family. 668 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,080 You do, but. Family blood is not always 669 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960 thicker. No, but my thing of it is, and 670 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560 you know, we talked about this on on a previous episode, we're 671 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,440 talking about what draws you to Reese Witherspoon just look like 672 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,360 your mom. You know, we go back and forth 673 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,280 with these things, right, because of the way our brain 674 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240 works. And I know you're very 675 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,280 analytical. So it's nothing like, you know, 676 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,400 personal attack. However, this kid, I told him, I 677 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,720 said, look, if you're going to be like a Norman Bates and still 678 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,360 going to want the love and support of your Mama that you 679 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,360 will never get because she's a straight up hoe in the 680 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,000 community. Oh, there's no way that you're 681 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,160 not going to be able to you're ever going to really be able to 682 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,040 connect with your mother just because I've met her. 683 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,560 I'm she's a very self-centered person. 684 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,200 It's very difficult to even gauge with her at all because 685 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,280 she thought she was holier than thou. 686 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440 It's like, OK bitch, I get it, you're attractive. 687 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,680 Shut the fuck up. She had one child If you're if. 688 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,440 You're not attractive on the inside, it don't fucking matter. 689 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,520 It doesn't matter, you'll never curse. 690 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,680 I love it when you do. You know that word. 691 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,080 She has a point. Exactly. 692 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,000 But but yeah, but we've had many adult babies and they'll 693 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,360 automatically say, well, it's nothing. 694 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,680 My mom did. I'm like OK. 695 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,040 It's an attention thing. Yes, it is. 696 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,200 And I, you need to be nurtured, didn't understand that further 697 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,640 law. And I understand the nurturing 698 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,320 part, but it is the I am the sole thing that you have to pay 699 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880 attention to. Because you're a little not, 700 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,840 yeah. Right. 701 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,440 And you have to. Take care of me, yeah. 702 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,680 I can't be in danger. Of mess there's a lot of things 703 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,160 that but. Mothers take care of their 704 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,920 children like that. That is a mother thing that you 705 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,160 would be searching for, right? Right. 706 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,120 I mean there are people that search for daddies. 707 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,200 I mean, I think it's all according to, you know, if 708 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,760 you're say that you know, the mom passed away and it's a 709 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,840 single dad and he does a, you know, a great job and he's got 710 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,840 this basically the same thing that, you know, the moms have to 711 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,639 do, which is they have to go out and get a full time job. 712 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,760 They can't. So I could see I could see it 713 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,840 being, you know, a daddy thing as well. 714 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,159 Like I said, mine left when I was four years old. 715 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,159 So I can't help but go, well, it's probably not all just mom 716 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,120 thing. It was a OK, they chose to push 717 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,080 me out. Therefore I no longer had their 718 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,840 attention because they chose not to pay attention to me. 719 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,440 So there's a lot of things that I've kind of analyzed to go, OK, 720 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,920 it's now I didn't do anything wrong. 721 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,480 No, you didn't. Therefore, I have nothing to 722 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000 feel bad about, which is the reason why I can accept being a 723 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,960 yeah being a little being an adult baby because not hurting 724 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,679 anybody. I'm not hurting, you know, not 725 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000 at all anything out there. But again, I didn't do anything 726 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,800 wrong. Therefore, why should I feel 727 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,840 guilty for, yeah, bad or guilty that, you know, that I 728 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,840 participate in that lifestyle and then I'm not ashamed. 729 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,600 Yeah, I think it's great. I really do. 730 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520 I think adult baby, I think it's badass. 731 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,920 I think I like the kink. I think it's cool. 732 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,160 Liv and I really were into it. I am actually gotten really into 733 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,000 the sissification too, but this not the humiliation 734 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,520 sissification. But this is you don't like the 735 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,320 humiliation aspect at all. I get it. 736 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,120 Yeah, but I really like, I've been really starting to dig the 737 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,240 Sissy sissies because I feel like I can kind of understand 738 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:13,800 it. When I understand it is whenever 739 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,000 I start like enjoying it. I know what you need. 740 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,840 Now you can understand why. Yes, yes. 741 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,800 But you know what ABDL? Well, it's more or less direct. 742 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,040 This is the direct. There's no black and white. 743 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,880 It's like this is what I like. It's either a diaper fetish 744 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,440 whereas the sisification. It's all over the place. 745 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,360 It's fucking all over the place is right. 746 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,840 It's like, OK, we can sisify you, OK? 747 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,320 Do you want to be a cook? Oh, no, you just want to suck 748 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,800 Dick. Oh, do you want to be a trans? 749 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,200 Is this the crossing over to it? I mean, there's so many fucking 750 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,680 levels to it. And I must admit, whenever you 751 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,000 were talking about the adult baby that wants, that's a guy 752 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,000 that wants to be a girl, that's where there's two morphs. 753 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,160 And I was like, yes, I want to know the psychology behind that 754 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,440 because like you said, this world is very direct. 755 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,400 This is very that's what I want. This one is like he's. 756 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040 Been around a baby girl that got up a lot of a lot of attention. 757 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,680 Is that that's what it comes down to? 758 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,440 What it is because his daughter OK. 759 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,720 And he was probably raised since the only child, and again, 760 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,520 probably raised as the only child, sees that his wife gave a 761 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,960 lot of attention to his daughter. 762 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,240 He was already a cross dresser because he probably had, again, 763 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,280 a shitty fucking mother, OK. So he was already a trans. 764 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,640 It was. Already a. 765 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,280 Cross. Dresser. 766 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,200 Well, it wasn't a cross dresser, it was a baby. 767 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,480 So that that's where I'm trying to figure out OK but. 768 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,880 He wanted to be a cross dresser as a woman, but he still wanted 769 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,400 to be a baby. He still wanted to be a kid. 770 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,040 He already had. He already wanted. 771 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,840 To be a baby, he wasn't a little. 772 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,120 Right, so but he already had the baby fetish or the ABDL fest and 773 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,360 then. It probably translated into 774 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,200 that, but I don't know. I didn't really dig into he 775 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,840 didn't dig into that further with him. 776 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,680 Well, yeah, because the what I got from him wasn't a little. 777 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,160 It was still he wanted to be a baby, but he still wanted to be 778 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,040 a girl, right. So he still wanted to be 779 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640 feminized. And to me, feminization goes 780 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,440 back to not having that emotional connection with your 781 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,280 mother. But the whole thing with the 782 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,640 baby again, is it the mother? Is it the Father you? 783 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,320 Know the. Wife. 784 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Is it the wife? Yeah. 785 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,160 And maybe he was just closeted his whole time and he was like, 786 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160 Oh well, I'm doing the AVDL. That may be a little easier 787 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,880 transition in his head to be a female baby versus saying I want 788 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,400 to wear high heels and V dress and do the makeup I could. 789 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,920 I could see that actually being it's baby steps. 790 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,720 Baby steps. So cute. 791 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Yeah. We need another episode just of 792 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,320 talking about cross dressing because I've. 793 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,800 I've got some crazy stories. Liv's got some crazy stories. 794 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,680 I mean, we can really get in depth about that. 795 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,560 But we need to wrap it up, kids. We ready. 796 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,520 All right, So until then, this has been the latest episode of.