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I've been involved in doing 
stuff around human sexuality and

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kinky my whole life. 
As I get older, I'm more 

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interested in and kink and 
helping that mainstream a little

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bit. 
So I did a documentary called 

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Touch Kink, which kind of goes 
through the reasons why people 

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shouldn't be afraid of kink. 
And in fact, I actually started.

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I think it's a superior way to 
interact, at least the, the 

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mindset of kink, of following 
those the, the, the circle. 

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The reason I have the, the big O
in touch kink is a, it's a 

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circle. 
You know, if I talk to you and I

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don't assume anything, I just 
ask you who you are and what you

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like and, you know, tell me a 
little bit about yourself and so

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on and negotiate something. 
And if we decide we're going to 

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try something, then we work on 
the consent and make sure that 

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it's not just consent, not just 
a yeah, but a hell yeah. 

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Like an enthusiastic consent. 
I think a lot of people 

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sometimes take yes, is, is, is 
the end all and beyond. 

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I don't think it is because I 
think people will say yes to 

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things that they're not really 
ready for sometimes. 

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So it's your job to sort of make
sure they're ready for what 

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they're saying yes to. 
So it's enthusiastic informed 

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consent and then, you know, 
playing and doing whatever that 

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is and then checking in with the
person afterwards, the 

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aftercare. 
And you know, the more I think 

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about that circle, it's sort of 
the way forward for everything, 

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for business. 
You know, I shouldn't be just 

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trying to take from you. 
I should be able to try and make

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a circle and make sure you're 
happy with whatever we did. 

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Personal life. 
We should, you know, shouldn't 

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just be taking. 
It should always be this kind of

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circle. 
And I think it's also a way 

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forward culturally. 
A lot of men I've talked to are 

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kind of like, well, what do I 
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How am I supposed to behave 
around women anymore? 

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My dad used to say, you 
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on the shoulder and you you work
down to the thing. 

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And then you try and wrap around
to the boob and see how far you 

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can get before they say no. 
You know, that's kind of how it 

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was apparently back in the day. 
So a lot of guys said, well, 

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what are we supposed to do now? 
You know what, what's the rule? 

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You know? 
And I said, well, it's actually 

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better than it was before 
because the other person also 

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has the responsibility to take 
charge of their own pleasure and

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their own whatever. 
So you will have to ask them 

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what they like, what kinds of 
things they like. 

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Maybe they like that. 
Maybe they'll be more raring to 

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go than you are, you know, But 
it doesn't really matter. 

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You got to have those 
conversations. 

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And then the end of the day, 
it's not that you can't smack 

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someone on the ass anymore. 
You can long as that's longer, 

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Damn sure that's what they like,
you know, and if I just because 

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you smack one person on the ass 
doesn't mean the next person's 

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going to be down with that or 
the person even got their ass 

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spanked is down with someone 
else doing it. 

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But the truth is it's better 
than it was before because we 

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have to be more open. 
We have to be more honest and we

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can make our own worlds the way 
we want. 

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And, you know, there are lots of
people that are kinky and left 

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love 50s household where they 
basically go back to a 50s style

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thing where, you know, the man 
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slippers and the man or the 
woman cooks the dinner or the, 

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the, the, however they want to 
identify. 

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So I, I, I think kink is more 
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the edge that some people think 
is odd. 

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It, it really is a way forward 
for a lot of people. 

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It's a home for letting them 
discuss. 

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That's why I love it. 
I prefer interacting with kinky 

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people just because you the 
conversations are more fun. 

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And of course, you do hit 
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you're, they want to talk about 
something you're not interested,

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interested in or vice versa. 
And you can say, OK, that's your

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kink and that's cool, but it's 
not mine. 

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So, you know, I think it's just 
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And that's why I wanted to make 
this documentary. 

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You know, what you're doing is 
you're bringing in like a whole 

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new revolution of, of the 
concept of BDSM that people 

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don't see, you know, and like 
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uneducated about it and they 
don't, they don't really grasp 

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concept when they're not in the 
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So they automatically think the 
worst, you know, because there's

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a lot of misconceptions about 
it. 

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Yeah, that was, I mean, I, I've 
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to get a travel and live in lots
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And I can't believe I had that 
misconception about a dominatrix

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myself. 
And I, I still remember being so

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surprised how sweet this person 
was and how intelligent they 

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were. 
And and I, I really thought, 

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well, it doesn't seem much of 
it, but, you know, realizing 

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later that you're actually not 
much of A Dom if you have to 

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tell people you're a Dom and you
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And we all start off as human 
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know, maybe you want to be a Dom
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Maybe you don't even want to be 
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Doesn't mean you have to some 
people it's more like a coat 

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they put on some people it's 
more of their personality. 

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But even when it's more of their
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anything all the time. 
And that that is a thing. 

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I mean, it's I often make the 
comparison with the gay 

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community to what's happening in
kink now because I mean, I 

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understand there's it's a 
different thing, but there is 

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parallels in terms of there was 
this cliche 40 years ago, what 

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it was to be gay. 
You know, you didn't expect a 

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high-powered business guy or 
army guy or whatever, like these

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sort of much use, but of course 
they are too. 

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It's not, there's no one, it's 
not like there was the cliche 

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that they started with. 
And then as time went on, you 

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realized, well, gay people, like
anything else, come in a million

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different types. 
And there's no cliche there 

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either. 
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They, they, you can start with 
the, the, the, the cliches, but 

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you know, it's not the truth. 
So we, we, it takes process to 

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people coming out and people 
educating and people talking 

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about this. 
That's why it was so important 

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in my film to have somebody that
really did think it was weird 

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and really did think kinky 
people were weird, to sort of go

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through it and see if she found.
What I hope the audience would 

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find is that there's some really
useful knowledge there, and in 

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many ways it's a superior way 
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Am I saying everyone is kinky as
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Of course not. 
But it is a good thing to know 

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about. 
It's a good thing, especially 

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navigating modern relationships,
taking charge of your own body 

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to, you know, take heart of your
own pleasure and who who you are

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and how you to have those tools 
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yourself or ask for what you 
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having that language, having 
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more likely that you're going to
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So that's why I think it's super
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kink. 
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I've been to 18 film festivals 
now and the film's been shown to

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thousands and thousands and 
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And, and one of the biggest 
compliments I can get is it from

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people is, you know, thank you. 
This really gave me a new way to

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look at, look at the world, to 
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And that's really something I 
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So in your documentary explain 
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different people in your 
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them. 
So tell the audience about it. 

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Yeah, well, the truth is it's a 
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It's not a, a a fiction. 
So I mean, I, I met January who 

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introduced me to more people 
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So it's the people that I met. 
I actually met literally 

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hundreds of people. 
But I I focused in on the people

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where something happened to 
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There was some sort of Arc 1 was
just a a good old boy from Texas

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that was very articulate about 
his interest in masochism and 

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being submissive and, and how, 
you know, he believes how that 

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happened and why it happened. 
And his relationship with that 

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one was a dominatrix that 
frankly was very new to the 

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scene. 
She really kind of decided to do

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and just jumped all the way in, 
you know, bit naively really in 

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kind of becoming the poster 
child for what it was to be a 

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dominatrix in London. 
And unfortunately took a lot of 

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Flack for that, far more than 
she realized, which kind of 

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illustrates why how the 
community is still marginalized 

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to some extent or can be used 
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Again, could be a reason, you 
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But you know, it's one of those 
things you can say to sort of 

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try and marginalized somebody, 
you know, and the it's sad that 

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it's the reality of it. 
So it's her story and how she 

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went through it. 
And then Grace, who was someone 

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who was curious. 
I've met her before when I was 

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traveling. 
I kind of sensed she was very 

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dominant woman, I'll be honest. 
But I don't think she knew what 

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that was so much. 
She'd always said she liked her 

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military boys and some men found
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And me, I'm like, you're a 
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know it. 
That's OK. 

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So I put her through this course
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discover what I suspected, but I
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And she did. 
She really started started 

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clicking for her why some kinds 
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her and other men not so much. 
And, and the way she was and it 

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was OK to have sort of more a 
female led relationship and that

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was OK too. 
So and now she she married the 

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guy, got 2 beautiful kids and 
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by just discovering this world 
and and giving her the courage 

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to be who she is. 
And now she's, last time I saw 

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her was at a screening in San 
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girls all following her. 
You know, she's definitely 

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become the queen, the queen 
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And I mean that loving way. 
It's amazing how people, you 

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know, people always ask me, 
they're like, can you teach me 

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how to be a Dom? 
And it's like you really can't 

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teach people. 
It's like it's either ingrained 

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in you. 
I can teach you to top people, 

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but a lot of people don't even 
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You know, like you said, she 
didn't have any idea that she 

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was a dominant. 
You know it. 

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It's interesting. 
It is fascinating and I think we

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all have I don't believe 
anybody's 100% anything. 

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I don't think you're 100% 
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And and this, you know, if 
you've ever been to a group 

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where you watch a bunch of 
submissives or slaves types on 

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their own, eventually a 
hierarchy starts to emerge. 1 is

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just tired of the total chaos 
and decides to sort of take 

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charge. 
So even someone who identifies 

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as slave or submissive of will 
will be one with a slightly more

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dominant tendency than the 
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And that person usually sort of 
ends up taking control of the 

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situation. 
So I think we're everything. 

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I think we have masculine 
traits, I think we have feminine

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traits. 
I think we have, you know, 

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dominant traits, submissive 
traits. 

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A lot of it is called like I 
always identified more as a Dom 

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and going through this, I'm 
finding myself more switchy 

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because I'm like, well, you 
know, I felt like I was sort of 

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the Dom because I was supposed 
to be because I was a guy. 

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And then I met so many wonderful
people that explained it to me. 

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And I'm like, I'm missing out on
a lot of really fun stuff here. 

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So yeah, I could be switchy. 
I can, I can, I can you want me 

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to call you mistress or goddess 
or whatever, you know, that 

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that's it would be my honor, you
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this dynamic, you know. 
So yeah, I think it's just 

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acknowledging that we're all 
multiple people we have and it's

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OK. 
That's another thing I think 

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that I got very much from this 
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some people have this notion 
that you have to be the same 

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thing all the time. 
You can be the high-powered kick

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ass businessman by day and the 
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night. 
And that actually might balance 

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you off better, you know, and I,
I think it's not as uncommon and

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people, people will tend to want
to think of you and what as one 

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way. 
Like I previously thought about 

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what a dominatrix was, but when 
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no, actually that's not not the 
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and emotions and the spectrums 
of who they can be or want to be

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in different situations, I think
is also super healthy. 

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Absolutely. 
I, you know, I feel like, you 

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know, doing this docu series is 
just the simple fact that it's 

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so cathartic people to be able 
to express themselves, you know,

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and they miss that when they 
suppress themselves in kink. 

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You know, I saw a client the 
other day and, you know, he 

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wanted forced feminization. 
And we did the whole scene of 

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forced feminization. 
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scene and after everything was 
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I'm done. 
You know, it's like he felt such

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shame and I said you should 
embrace your, your feminine 

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side. 
And he's like, yeah, maybe next 

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time I'm good. 
Or not or not. 

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You know, I've been thinking 
about shame a lot lately and, 

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you know, when I think about 
some of the kinks that I liked, 

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a lot of it was stuff that I had
a little bit of shame about and 

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that actually made it hotter. 
You know, I'm, I'm actually 

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sometimes worried about this. 
Like, I mean, there's an 

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important, we have to recognize 
healthy shame and unhealthy 

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shame, but sometimes it's fun to
have like sort of these cultural

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things that you're supposed to 
be like this, this, that maybe 

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and then break it. 
And it's OK to sort of. 

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So no, I, I didn't really want 
you. 

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I mean, if he's come to you for 
a fortune, for a feminization 

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thing, he's definitely been 
thinking about this, you know, 

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but maybe he needs, let's get 
back to reality before he goes 

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out the door. 
And I've heard that from a lot 

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of Doms that they notice when 
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sometimes they'll give a slight 
insult or a slight like, oh, 

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that was nothing kind of thing. 
It's almost like, like getting 

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them ready to hit the world 
again. 

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So it's, you kind of have to 
ignore it and think of it as 

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almost a compliment that you've 
done so well, you've taken this 

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person. 
They, they have to sort of shake

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it off a little bit because they
know the world isn't like that. 

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So it, it, it's, it's, it's kind
of fun to have these things, 

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the, these things that we, I'm 
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what's going to happen if, you 
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in California, everybody's Poly,
everybody's fluid, this fluid 

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that. 
And that's great. 

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But I'm just wondering what, 
what kind of fun are they, What 

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kind of kinks are they going to 
have? 

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Let's pretend we're not fluid, 
but let's pretend we're not. 

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I don't know. 
I guess we can always find our 

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kinks, but it's like my favorite
kinks are all stuff that I had 

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to work through. 
It's too fun. 

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It really is. 
And it's so fun to, you know, we

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have big lifestyle parties and, 
you know, just to I, I kind of 

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try to gauge people to see 
really what they like. 

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And before I even ask them 
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know, I'm not trying to be 
superficial, but you know, 

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sometimes you can just look at a
person and just know what they 

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want, you know, it's so 
interesting. 

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Well, you, you feel it. 
I mean you, you do. 

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You have a vast amount of 
experience and obviously like 

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I've sometimes they, you know, 
tell me like I know within 3 

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seconds of meeting somebody what
the kinks are. 

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But that's just like if you were
a, a doctor and someone coughs 

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this way and twitches that way, 
you probably know exactly what 

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the illness is going to be. 
Just it's experience. 

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Yeah, you might be wrong, but I 
mean, you've got this all this 

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experience when people cough 
this way and have this twitch, 

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it's XYZ, you know, Oh well, 
once in a while it could be 

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something else, but it's 
generally XYZ, you know, So I 

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think that comes from 
experience, which is, you know, 

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which is cool. 
And also I think there you'll 

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you'll attract a certain kind of
clientele. 

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You know, I'm I'm more, I'm more
interacting with dominant 

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dominatrix now than I did 
before. 

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But frankly, you know, if I was 
in an event or whatever, I would

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be pleasant, but I wouldn't 
really be going up to you and 

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going anything. 
If you look dominant, if you 

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look submissive, then hi, you 
know, but now I'm different. 

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But so you're only, you're also 
going to, certain kinds of 

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people are going to approach you
as well. 

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So I think that's half the 
battle, you know? 

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Absolutely. 
So you said it. 

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It was difficult to get people 
to actually talk about, you 

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know, their kinks because, you 
know, again, it's so taboo. 

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But you had a lot of success in 
talking to these people. 

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So what were some of the 
fetishes that they had? 

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Oh boy. 
Everything. 

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Yeah, I mean, needles, rope, 
leather, stockings, you know, 

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impact you. 
I mean, this the the whole, I 

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actually interviewed almost 300 
people. 

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I I didn't use everyone, but 
yeah, I mean, everybody's 

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different. 
Everybody's got different kinks.

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The one thing I did discover 
that I thought was really 

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interesting and I like to talk 
about a lot is that, and I think

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even kinky people sometimes make
this this mistake, you know, you

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walk into a room and you see 
maybe 12 couples getting spanked

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and looks exactly the same. 
You think, oh, OK, they 

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obviously like it and you'll 
probably know, but I think a lot

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of people won't. 
I can guarantee every one of 

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those having a completely unique
experience. 1 might be 

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fetishizing the sound of that 
smack. 11 might be fetishizing 

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the the, the pain. 
Someone else might be a top, a 

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dominant who's having his sub 
top him because he or she want 

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just likes the sensation on her 
orgasma. 

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But it all looks the same. 
But sometimes they're even 

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though you think, oh, they're 
fetishizing spanking. 

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No one's could be fetishizing 
pleasure. 

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Another one's sound and one's 
smell. 

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One could be fetishizing 
switching a role for a moment to

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you know, this, the role it it's
it's infinite. 

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It truly is infinite. 
What people feel. 

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I tend to boil it down to three 
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It's my sort of view because, 
you know, universal theory, you 

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know, in that moment there's 
something that they're 

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fetishizing. 
They're thinking about one 

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thing, they're in a certain role
in that moment where they're 

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going to be this sadly a thing 
and they're craving a certain 

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sensation. 
It's not always orgasmic. 

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Sometimes it might be pain, 
satisfaction, pride, you know, a

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million other things, but it 
usually dials down to those 

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through three things, you know, 
they're fetishizing. 

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You know, something's in their 
mind that's like really is their

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focus. 
They're feeling a certain role 

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in that moment and they, they 
want at the end of the session 

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be more than anything to feel 
like they've been a good boy and

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survived it or something. 
I mean, it's different for 

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different people, but it's 
always seems to boil down to 

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those three things. 
And that seems to work across 

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every every kink you know. 
Yeah, you know, interestingly 

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enough too, when I've talked to 
people, because I really like to

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delve in the the psychological 
aspect of it, I ask a lot of 

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people, you know, why do you 
think you want this? 

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And a lot of them, they just 
don't even care, you know, they,

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they just, they want to feel and
they want to do what they want 

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and they really don't care what 
even got them to that point. 

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So it's like, I all mean, just 
do it, you know? 

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Absolutely. 
Where do you see yourself at 

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this point? 
Are you going to do another? 

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Yeah, I'm working on a I'm 
working on A10 part television 

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series now exploring sexuality 
and technology. 

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I'm, I'm under agreement to, to 
write 24 different episode 

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outlines and then the, the this,
that this touch kink I did on my

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own nickel. 
So I had total creative control.

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When you take money from a 
broadcaster or someone else, 

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they tend to want to a say in 
things. 

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So I'm developing the series. 
It may or may not go into 

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production. 
I hope so, but I'm being paid to

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sort of develop it and I would 
like to keep going down there. 

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I think it's endlessly 
fascinating. 

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I would love to do a whole thing
just on latex fetishes, a whole 

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thing just on rope, a whole 
thing on the Spanko community, a

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whole thing on, you know, this 
merge of sex tech and how it's 

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how it's emerging different 
parts of the world and you know,

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the generational difference 
between young women. 

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So you have no problem go buying
5 vibrators or, you know, my 

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mother would be horrified. 
You know, it's like, you know, 

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it's interesting cultural shifts
as well. 

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There's there's a lot of really 
interesting subjects. 

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For whatever reason, though, sex
is always a little bit of a 

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tough sell, you know, Which is 
funny because they use it to 

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sell the stuff. 
But I don't know. 

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It's one of those things that 
people like to watch in private,

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I guess. 
So it's just finding out and how

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it's going to go and how it 
packages up. 

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But yeah, I'm going to keep 
making movie documentaries about

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kink and about human sexuality 
because that's what interests me

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the most. 
It is. 

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It's extremely interesting and. 
Like I said, it's it was really 

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cool to watch honestly and so 
many I I just wouldn't even back

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and watch some of the clips 
because I thought, oh, this is 

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so cool. 
So I'll have to I'm going to 

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send the link and set it up when
we broadcast this episode. 

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That way people can go and watch
it. 

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Yeah, it's now available for 
video on demand. 

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It's on Kinema, my main 
platform. 

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It's going to be on Amazon and 
Apple shortly. 

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I prefer people using Kinema 
because it's the most direct 

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route to the to the film maker. 
It's more of an indie platform 

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where it goes on other 
platforms. 

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And you'd be shocked to let you 
know Apple makes 10 bucks. 

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You make $0.10 kind of thing. 
Yeah. 

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But yeah, the price will be the 
same across the platforms. 

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It's just that, yeah, it's it's 
incredible. 

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The differences had the 
middleman and these how some of 

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these platforms are, but you 
know, the trick is to be on all 

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of them. 
But yeah, I mean, I'll, I'll 

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provide you with that that link.
My goal from doing a lot of 

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these podcasts is just to grow 
my mail list because A, to 

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promote this existing project, 
B, for development for the 

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series. 
I also categorize people 

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depending on their interests and
stories and keep in touch with 

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them because, you know, it's 
more than just having a 

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promotion of a film. 
It's also looking for people for

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the next series as well. 
Absolutely. 

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And I'll pass your information 
on to a few of my other 

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podcaster friends and you know, 
we got to promote it I. 

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I agree if you also. 
It's so great. 

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Also, I don't know if you do or 
not, but if you have a 

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particularly large group of 
people following your 

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newsletter, you can set up a 
screen, your own screening where

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you talk or introduce it. 
I'm happy to join if you'd like.

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And you can do it for profit. 
It takes about 15 minutes to set

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up. 
You set your, you set your 

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ticket price. 
The kinema takes care of all the

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billing for you. 
All they do is send you money. 

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It's remarkably easy to do. 
I've done a few of them now and 

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I've done I've, yeah, it's, it's
been really cool actually, and 

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encouraging people because, you 
know, my mailing list, my, my 

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group of people is so big. 
Everybody's going to know 

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different people. 
You know, you sell 100 tickets, 

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you make a couple of grand. 
It was like, if you have that, 

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you know, the depending on how 
big your audience is and, and 

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how much you want to, that's 
another thing. 

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If you want, you can set up your
own screening and promote it and

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do it for profit, or you can 
just direct people to me and 

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I'll send them information about
future screenings wherever they 

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are. 
That'd be super. 

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Yeah. 
Right now we're in 157 

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countries, so we have a big fan 
base on it. 

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And, you know, people love to 
watch the videos. 

444
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,640
And, you know, we do a lot of I 
do things like call Torture 

445
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,080
Thursday and Fucked Up Friday or
people just, you know, they want

446
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,760
to take impact or, you know, 
penetration, anything like that 

447
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,960
that's kink related. 
And we do it and people love 

448
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,960
watching it. 
So that's why I was just, yeah, 

449
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,600
I was, I was happy to do the 
interview. 

450
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,840
And then that way we can again 
promote your your documentary 

451
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,360
because I think it's just 
fascinating. 

452
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:01,880
Everything. 
Thank. 

453
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,240
You. 
Absolutely. 

454
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,560
Appreciate that. 
Yeah, go ahead. 

455
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,240
No, no, go right ahead. 
Tell. 

456
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,160
Me, I was just going to say, I 
mean, that's why I'm doing these

457
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,480
podcasts. 
Just talking to people. 

458
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,400
It's like I, I don't have a big 
Hollywood promotional budget. 

459
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,680
So this is it. 
It's word of mouth. 

460
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,160
Well, you know, your documentary
will speak for itself 

461
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,440
regardless. 
So, you know, it was very 

462
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,520
fascinating. 
I loved it. 

463
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,000
But I look forward again to 
seeing more of your work and, 

464
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,560
and we'll, we'll catch up again 
in a few months and, and see 

465
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,320
where you're at with your 
following, you know, 24 part 

466
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,800
series. 
That's right. 

467
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,400
Well, it'll be 10 episodes. 
I have to come up with 24 

468
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,000
stories, I guess. 
But yeah, yeah. 

469
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:47,560
OK, well, you can do it, Yeah. 
And if you're in Florida, you 

470
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,160
want to come film us anytime? 
Absolutely. 

471
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,640
Well, I'm, I'm usually in 
Florida twice a year, once for 

472
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,720
fetish factory and once for 
fetish Con. 

473
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,080
So oh. 
Well, there you go. 

474
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,080
Yeah, I'm I'm super close to 
fetish con is only six hours 

475
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,800
from me so. 
Oh, there you go. 

476
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800
Cool, cool. 
We'll have to meet up. 

477
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,200
Absolutely, Absolutely. 
All right. 

478
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Thank you again, Max. 
It's been a pleasure. 

479
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,560
Thank you very. 
Much. 

480
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,920
Yeah, I was just going to say, 
and you know, you're the 

481
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,240
filmmaker of Touch Kink, so we 
got to promote. 

482
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,120
It thank you very. 
Much. 

483
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,880
All right, Thank you. 
Thank you. 

484
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,320
All right, listeners, thank you 
for listening. 

485
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,880
This is Mistress Mia's tension. 
We're out.