1 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,200 Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Mistress Mia's 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,600 Dungeon. I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia, 3 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:21,360 and this is Mistress Mia's Dungeon. 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,960 Today I'm interviewing Ellen and Clark Griswold for the second 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,200 time. This is where we left off 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,479 episode. We ended it on them actually 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,280 breaking the rules for the first time and what it was like 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,200 thereafter. And that's where we're going to 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,720 begin. I bring you Part 2 of the 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,760 Griswold. Into playtime can be fun too, 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,920 but you have to be careful. You have to tread lightly on 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,120 that with the couples, some of them. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,240 They'll get scared. Some of them, it scares them 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,480 away and they're like, what the hell are you talking about? 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 But those who are receptive to it, like they've already been to 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,040 some parties that you've been to and they understand a little bit 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,160 about it. They're welcoming about you, 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,080 like bringing some of your your whips and, and spank spank toys 19 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,200 to start a session off. And those are fun. 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,720 Too. Yes, because Ellen, wherever we 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,720 go, has her bag. Usually do I. 22 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Was gonna say, but you know, she's good at doming. 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,440 Yep, she you know, she dominates men and women well and she 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,560 enjoys it and do and you know, you mainly do impact. 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,640 You know, you do a lot of like sensual play but but then you do 26 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:33,760 CBT with your husband, you know, little cock ball torture a 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,640 little. Bit a little bit a little bit. 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,880 You know, having a girl, having a girl fuck me for the first 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,880 time with a strap on, that was a lot of fun. 30 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,080 So we've experienced that for the first time and vice versa. 31 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Me fucking her with a strap on. Those have been some fun 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,120 experiences. Now I was going to say, wasn't 33 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,160 there a situation where it was the three of you like you were 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,680 you were fucking her with a strap on or or something? 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Towards you, almost like. A. 36 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,120 Train, right? It was the other way around, 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,640 yeah. OK, what happened? 38 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,520 What was that? That that was just. 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,360 It was she was fucking. She was fucking Ellen with the 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,000 strap. On Yeah. 41 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,560 And Ellen's sucking my Dick. Oh. 42 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,080 OK, OK, I didn't know if you were fucking the girl. 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,880 Oh, no, no. OK, OK. 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,280 You know, So what do you all see for your future? 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 I mean, is there something, some fantasy you haven't really 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,800 fulfilled at this point? Well. 47 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:29,760 Having thought about that. That's up to Ellen right there. 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,440 She's the one that tells us what we're going to do, where they're 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,240 going to go. You know what we? 50 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Go what I'm supposed to do? She's a planner, but. 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,440 She is. She's very much planned. 52 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,920 We haven't been to any of the big like, what's it? 53 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:49,480 Called, Yeah. We haven't been to any of those 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,880 yet and we keep saying we are. So that is on my bucket list to 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,120 to try to go and and do. That right, so that's in New 56 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,240 Orleans, that's. Doable. 57 00:02:58,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Yeah. So, yeah, it's basically like 58 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,400 going to one of those. We've done everything else. 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,120 No, we haven't done double penetration but. 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Oh, you're thinking about that now. 61 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,560 All right, people, I brought that up and she was like, I 62 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,480 ain't doing that. Oh, but now she just puts it out 63 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,160 here. I haven't done double 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,760 penetration yet. So what might be fun is for a 65 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,200 girl to do the double penetration with like a girl in 66 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,280 you. That would be fun. 67 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,480 Just how big I am? I crush both of you. 68 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,480 I don't know. Well, like maybe I get on top of 69 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,240 you and you're, I don't know. You get my little pecker up in 70 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,000 you and then, yeah, and then. Let her, let her fuck me in the 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,360 ass. That's not double penetrate. 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,000 Do you want double vaginal or do you want DP? 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,360 Oh. Yes, all the bases, whichever 74 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,280 one is, all the bases covered, all the holes covered, whatever 75 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,320 that one is. That would. 76 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,120 Be that's DP. That's that's DP. 77 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,880 OK, I didn't know he went double vaginal. 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,840 So you're sitting there talking about it. 79 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,640 I'm like, what is when is she talking about? 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,080 That's double. How do you say that one's double 81 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,480 vaginal penetration, right? Yeah, OK, so you want, so you 82 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,280 want just straight up one in the puss, one in the butt, mate. 83 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,000 This is possibly all. Right. 84 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,400 So the next couple we play with, I'm going to bring that up. 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,760 No, not. Necessarily, it's already it's 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,560 already on it's it's, it's, it's on the podcast. 87 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,520 I can find it, go back to it and go, hey, remember. 88 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,800 You know it's a. It's a bucket list. 89 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,240 You know, this might be another, this might be another option for 90 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,960 another episode. But I will say that I have to 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,560 agree with you. When you're talking to other 92 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,640 couples that are swingers and when you mention BDSM, they're 93 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,000 like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Some will get scared, yes. 94 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,360 Yeah, and that's sad. Yes, we tread lightly when we 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,040 because we are in our our feet are in both worlds, swingers and 96 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,000 BDS and we like there's pros and cons about both of it and it's a 97 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:02,360 fun place for us to be. I like both but when we just go 98 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,240 to swingers we we do tread lightly on how we bring. 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,520 It yeah. We don't even bring it up. 100 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,280 We don't if it's at a swinging party. 101 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Bring it up. I'll be local. 102 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,680 So what? You know like what kind of do 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,640 y'all use whips or anything like that for foreplay and if they go 104 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,120 and. Then you look at you like, yeah, 105 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,600 Dick on your floor. Like what? 106 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,600 But those that say, Oh yeah, we've got this thing that we get 107 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,320 to tie her up and we do, we have a, we have a swingers couple 108 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,800 that also they have this cool tie up stuff in there in their 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,080 bedroom and they hide it away and. 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,640 Their kids go. Yes. 111 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:37,440 Why is there a hookup in the ceiling band and. 112 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,880 They have their little stash now those yes we. 113 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,640 Can yes now that they because they are in the BDSM too, but 114 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,200 it's it's few and far between the finance I've what I've been 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,200 noticing. True, it's. 116 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,360 So crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy. 117 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,520 You know, because they come to the use of vans, you know, they 118 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 come to hotel takeovers. And at a hotel takeover, they 119 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,800 still do like a themed BDSM room, you know, But a lot of 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,840 people do just really shy away from it. 121 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,240 You know, it's funny. I was talking to Barbie. 122 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,320 We did an episode the other day and she's like, well, you know, 123 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,760 it is kind of silly. You know, we kind of hit each 124 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,240 other with toys and, you know, it's kind of silly, you know, 125 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,280 But a lot of people take that shit too serious. 126 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,240 But they do. What's funny is that the total 127 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,360 100% swingers like when it's time to get down to having the 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,880 playtime with them, they just throw those clothes off and here 129 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,280 we go. I've noticed that but. 130 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:26,880 Then like, Oh yeah, they'll be naked and the. 131 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Ones like the ones like me, like I've got my sexy little outfit 132 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:35,080 on and, and I, I noticed that the, the men, they, they like 133 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,920 that, they like the outfit. They like the attire that you 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,760 bring to the table and then you slowly take that. 135 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,800 They tend to like that better, so. 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,960 I was going to say one of the hottest pictures and I always 137 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,720 hold on to it. So if I recruit other couples to 138 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,440 meet you all, I always show them that one picture here in that 139 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,600 sexy one piece stocking, body stocking and it was awesome. 140 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,280 It's black and then you like you're feeding your titty 141 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,720 basically to the sexy hot girl that you always. 142 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:05,160 Play. Yeah, that. 143 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,360 Was fun and that is a sexy picture. 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,280 I show that to people. I'm like, look at my friend, is 145 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:12,920 she not the coolest? I know that picture now. 146 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,880 She's straddling her too, on top of her and I was like. 147 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,120 Damn, you got her tongue sticking out, Yeah. 148 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:27,280 Yeah, one, one couple we played with, I had all my fun BDSM 149 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,280 attire on and came out there and, and the girl's like, yeah, 150 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:32,640 why do you have so many clothes on? 151 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,760 And I'm like, they'll be coming off soon, but just for right 152 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,200 now. And that's, and that's the 153 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,240 Slinger one right there. Like, why are you wearing all 154 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,400 that? We're here to fuck. 155 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,840 Yeah, but it takes away from the lure. 156 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Yeah. And building up, yes, let's 157 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,920 build up to it. Let's not just. 158 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,680 Yes, because your your guy love that the guy he did like that a 159 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,080 lot immensely like mine, the one when I was with she just like 160 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,840 give me a Dick. There was no foreplay or was no 161 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,040 nothing. She's like, give me a Dick. 162 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,960 Yeah, a lot of it's from the the brain stimulating the brain with 163 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,840 the women. You know, there was a couple 164 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,640 that they used to come in into the dungeon about once a month 165 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,640 and they would always say, hey, you know, we're going to we're 166 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,440 going to run an ad and they'd run it on fat life. 167 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,560 And they'd be like, hey, you know, gangbang, blah, blah, 168 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,880 blah, come fuck my wife. And, you know, he'd want to 169 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,840 clean her up after. OK, so that's that's their 170 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,360 prerogative, their choice on that, which is OK. 171 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,640 But what was interesting was I thought, you know, this whole 172 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,640 production, you would think she would want to dress up. 173 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,600 And in truth, you know, she would just like strip off her, 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,160 you know, shorts and AT shirt. And I was like, well, that's not 175 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,960 really sexy. Yeah, she's just laying there 176 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,760 going all right, Bring them in. Yeah, she's, she's just running 177 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,400 the trains, all she running. The trains, yeah. 178 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,280 And I just, I was like, that's, that's not sexy at all. 179 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,000 But then we had this other couple, you know, that John 180 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,160 ended up to get back to that. I'll see. 181 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,800 I shouldn't have said that one. I'll bring that one. 182 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,360 She did, yeah. She. 183 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Wasn't just me, right? I'm pretty proud of myself. 184 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,760 I haven't said anything. I'm you're good you. 185 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Are. Good damn. 186 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,920 So I'll cut to the Jason this one. 187 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,640 OK. So anyway, so this other couple 188 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,560 that would come to rent the dungeon, they came and she would 189 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:30,760 do a whole production. They would stand in the mud room 190 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,160 outside of the dungeon door. She would be blindfolded, 191 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,160 negligee on, you know, 90 with her, with her silk silky robe or 192 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,440 even a sheer robe, sexy panties. She did the whole thing, you 193 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,880 know, and it's like, yeah, that's that to me. 194 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,720 I'm like you. It's it's part of the four. 195 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:51,640 It's the allure. It's it's, it is you're building 196 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:52,680 up. And that's what that's what I 197 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:54,360 love about Ellen. She's going to build it up. 198 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,680 Yeah. It's not just like, it's like 199 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,600 she's wearing all of her stuff. And I'm going to. 200 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:59,800 You're going to get excited. Yeah. 201 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,240 And another fun thing about, you know, being a swinger is when 202 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,960 we're having sex privately in our bedroom, I'll say, oh, 203 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,800 that's good. Remember that for the next time 204 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,040 you play with another girl. I want you to do that to her. 205 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,960 I have to. Take notes. 206 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,360 Have to stop what I'm doing, get my pad and go that way. 207 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:27,920 And you know, whether you're a vanilla or a swinger, it's, it's 208 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,640 always good to tell your partner exactly what you want. 209 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,800 So not all the time, but yeah, there was a few weeks ago where 210 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,680 I, I told my my man, I was like, I want you to go slow. 211 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,280 I want you to go slow. I want you to take your time. 212 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,880 I want you to kiss me from head to toe and go slow with me 213 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,200 because we haven't done that in a while. 214 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,720 That's true. And, and she's right. 215 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Because I'm a guy, because those guys are like, Nah, give it to 216 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,000 me. Yep. 217 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,480 You did good. You went slow. 218 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,400 I did good. I did. 219 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,840 Vanilla or BDSM or whatever, you are telling your partner what 220 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,600 you what exactly what you want. Not all the time, but. 221 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,920 It's good, it's a double edged sword guys, but as kinky as we 222 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,960 are, you better keep some of that shit to yourself that you 223 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,400 might want them to do because they won't do it. 224 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,680 What has she not done? I've asked a few things and she 225 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,720 won't do it, but what's that? Oh God, give me a minute, I'll 226 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,800 think of them. Give me a minute, I'll spit, I 227 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:19,880 mean. She does anal. 228 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,840 She obviously she does. A lot of anal here lately, I've 229 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,240 been getting kind of stunned there. 230 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,960 But once again, that's a double edged sword, guys. 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,560 If it's not planned and it's like, hey, we're doing it out of 232 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:36,560 the blue, it gets dirty, it gets dirty. 233 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,480 So all these movies back to this. 234 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,000 Shit again? Get back to this shit. 235 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,200 We didn't even get tell you about the other couple about the 236 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,920 the other shit story can talk about this one. 237 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,840 This is going to be a part too, I'm telling you. 238 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,440 And then I went, yes, well, I thought it was just me. 239 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,480 So the moral of that story is just because you're in a 240 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,080 swimming pool does not mean your asshole is clean. 241 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,720 That was the other story I wanted you all to. 242 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,040 Tell yeah, yeah, we had a great time with them too. 243 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,000 Great. They're a great. 244 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,040 Couple real good people and we did enjoy swimming in the pool 245 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,120 with them and and having some fun and then we went into the 246 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,360 house to have some more play time. 247 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,920 And me and Alan, no matter what, we're going to take a shower. 248 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,680 There is no ifs, ands and buts about it. 249 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,200 We're going to shower because. You just can't. 250 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:30,960 Make too clean. Yeah, yeah, you need to be 251 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,080 clean. Hygiene's a big, big, big thing, 252 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:35,600 people. Especially with your nose. 253 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Exactly because I'm cursed because we were having fun. 254 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,800 And once again I'm sitting there going, what is that God damn 255 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,320 smell? And then we finally get through 256 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,400 playing and then Ellen comes up to me afterwards. 257 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:51,920 She goes, did you smell that? I did it. 258 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,120 I did it. I did. 259 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,360 It. We're even now. 260 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,480 Let's try it again. She's like, OK, She's like, did 261 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,960 you smell that, Clark? I'm like, yes. 262 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:01,200 What was that? She went. 263 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,080 It was her butt hole. I was like, what do you mean? 264 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,200 I got I was eating her out and the next thing I know I could 265 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,560 smell it and it was her butt hole. 266 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:10,160 That's the. Only I think that's the only 267 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,960 time I've had to stop eating a girl out because I just can't. 268 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,480 I can't do it when it smells. Like especially you can smell 269 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,560 it. So that was really bad. 270 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Yeah, I don't. I don't have a good smeller. 271 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:23,120 So the moral of that story is just because you're in a 272 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,680 swimming pool, that does not mean you are clean. 273 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,960 Go into before you are playing with your your partner's. 274 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,360 Go in that shower and. Scrub that asshole. 275 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,520 That crack real good. And see, that's the thing when 276 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,720 we were talking about the whole concept of you coming out in 277 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,600 your lingerie and looking and taking that time, to me that 278 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 says that chick's got a clean vagina and a clean butt hole 279 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,760 because you take the time to present yourself. 280 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Well, yes, a lot of these women, they just don't see that 281 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:53,720 concept. You know, it's just like foot 282 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,200 care. You know you got to take care of 283 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,360 your pretty face. You know you got to have nice 284 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,400 aspects of all your body and do self-care, especially if you're 285 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,720 sharing your partner and you're sharing yourself with other 286 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,760 people. That's right, you. 287 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Know, yeah, hygiene, hygiene's a big, that's a big, big deal, 288 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,240 it's a big deal. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun 289 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,960 with our two years so far of playing with other couples and 290 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,560 they made a lot of good memories. 291 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Some of them were no longer saying because of different 292 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,800 reasons. Some of them are not together 293 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,240 anymore. We miss it. 294 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,360 We miss them. But, and those are the ones that 295 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,600 do the that goes back to the separate room play. 296 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,000 You notice when the the couples are doing separate play, 297 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,840 something more likely is wrong with that relationship. 298 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,160 There's something wrong. They're not. 299 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,040 Not, not necessarily, but, but the. 300 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,320 Majority of. Your experience? 301 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,040 Yeah, majority of our experience though, it's happening. 302 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Not just separate room, but they go to a different. 303 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Yeah, they go, they go different places. 304 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,400 They go see different people. They're like, they're just doing 305 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,640 their own thing. And I'm like. 306 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,440 We just haven't seen good to come from it. 307 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,080 Yes. Nothing good is comfort. 308 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,120 Nothing good. It's bad. 309 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,600 But true, it's the actual thing. It just happens, you know? 310 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,720 I mean, it's the same thing, you know, when I've had swinger 311 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,320 couples come to see me, they'll see me together. 312 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,880 And sometimes they'll come by themselves, you know, and 313 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,320 they'll say, please don't tell my wife or please don't tell my 314 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,080 husband I was here. And there you go. 315 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:09,240 So there's already something wrong. 316 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,760 There's already something wrong. And that's also a communication. 317 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,000 If you don't, you don't talk about it. 318 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,160 It's just going to keep building up, building up, building up 319 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,680 till something bad is going to happen. 320 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,440 And we've seen it. I think, you know, when you 321 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,360 decide to swing, you're either going to, it's either going to 322 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,280 ruin the marriage because something was already broken, or 323 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,960 it's going to strengthen it if it's already strong. 324 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,120 And thank goodness we are in the ladder of that so far, yeah. 325 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:37,160 You know what I think too? I think what I've seen with you 326 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,680 guys. Oh God, I just had a brain fart. 327 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,640 Hold on. There was something I was going 328 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,440 to say about couples and meeting couples. 329 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,800 Oh, I remember what it was. So I have to go back to that 330 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,880 too, you know. So what I've seen with you all 331 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,920 in couples is when you have met couples, it has been one of 332 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:03,400 those things where it's like, hey, Ellen, you might have to 333 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,720 take one for the team because you know, she's really hot and 334 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,800 I'm going to have sex with her, but he's not so hot. 335 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,240 No, no, that's not true. I've I've told her I was like, 336 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840 no, we don't have to. We no, I don't want her to have 337 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,000 to say I I took one for the team. 338 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,280 You're going to go fuck that thing. 339 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,320 No, I'm let that be known right now. 340 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,440 I've never in history ever said that they're making shit up. 341 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,200 No. No, I'm just saying it was 342 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,160 really a hypothetical question. We have one couple where he 343 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,440 wasn't very attractive and she was very attractive. 344 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,640 And then I said, Are you sure? And then she wound up liking 345 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,520 that guy so. Yes, you do. 346 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,920 Because he's very sweet. He's a very sweet person. 347 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,960 Yeah, the personality and what and. 348 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,440 He was submissive, you liked him, you were able to dominate. 349 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Him. That's true. 350 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,120 That did change over time, but at first I was like, yeah, I 351 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,080 could, yeah, I can take that or leave that. 352 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,240 But. And I called it. 353 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,960 I said he's a crossdresser. And you're like, no, I'm like, 354 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,880 yes, he's a crossdresser. Yeah, you were. 355 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,839 Right. She proved it. 356 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,119 You were so. We have photos to prove that. 357 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:13,119 That's right. Yeah. 358 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,040 So just those that take their time to get to know one another 359 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,720 besides just one date, you know, give it just to give it a couple 360 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,200 of times and see they can change and it can be better. 361 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,079 Yeah, I I get if you like, you're at a party and you're 362 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:27,280 just like, now you're like, OK, let's just bang that couple real 363 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:28,480 quick. But if you want to get like make 364 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,600 good friends, like, and most of them are good friends, you will 365 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,160 make good friends in this. You will. 366 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,880 Yeah, you. Can you can. 367 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Being able to talk about anything sexually that I want to 368 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,520 talk about within this community, that's I love that 369 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,800 compared to I have to keep quiet with my vanilla friends, but 370 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,600 with this community, I can just say whatever the hell I want to. 371 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,480 You know, and that's the sad part. 372 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,240 I mean, Clark has been in the military. 373 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,160 He he went to visit prostitutes in Amsterdam. 374 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Yep. You know, you've toured 375 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,720 everywhere, you know, you had a great time. 376 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,440 You know, military guys, they've seen so much, experience so 377 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,960 much, and it's not taboo, you know, whereas here we are in the 378 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,040 South and poor Ellen growing up in this Christian hardcore. 379 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,560 Life Bible Bible thumping area. Bible thumping, you know, And 380 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,280 it's like you couldn't even talk about sex with your friends. 381 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:22,120 And I mean just traditional sex. And that's just a sad thing. 382 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,160 Yeah. And the other night I heard I 383 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,080 had some friends were talking with each other with me around 384 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,000 and that couple said the guy said we don't have sex enough. 385 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,360 And she said we have sex once a month. 386 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:37,120 That's good. Oh yeah, Oh my God. 387 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,760 I. Feel so sorry for I feel sorry 388 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,760 for them because you should be having sex a lot more than once 389 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,160 a month. Yeah, you should if you're if 390 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,720 you're having and we have friends that are like that where 391 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,120 they don't hardly have sex anymore and I'm like, what is 392 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:53,280 going on? Yeah, you got fixed that. 393 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,720 Are you taking them hormones? You get something hormones in 394 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,040 you buddy. You know what I've noticed too, 395 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,360 is that you won't. You've lost friends. 396 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,160 Yes, we have. You know, it's like they figure 397 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,720 it out at some point or they figure out that, you know, 398 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,080 you've changed, you know, because you got into the swinger 399 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,280 community, you lost weight, you look happy. 400 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,120 I mean, you looked, you know, just really being yourselves. 401 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,680 So it was like a huge 180, you know? 402 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,760 We learned to we, we learned it's black and white. 403 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,640 We we, we don't, we don't go, we don't talk about the sexual 404 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,440 stuff with our vanilla friends and. 405 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,360 You have to keep that separate. You cannot it. 406 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Freaks them out. Yeah, you cannot. 407 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:30,840 They can't. They can't handle. 408 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,400 It they can't handle it. Because they're like, you're 409 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,600 going to get a divorce. Oh my God, you're getting a 410 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:35,480 divorce. It's going to happen. 411 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,200 Like, no, no, I don't. I don't think we are, you know, 412 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,240 And they just, they will totally flip out, like I said. 413 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,360 And I've lost a really good friend because of it. 414 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,160 It is very crazy. The hard way about that 415 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,640 situation, we don't, we don't blend fun time with a vanilla. 416 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Yeah, that's another thing. If you're if you're with a 417 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,200 swinger couple, you cannot mix swinging and vanilla in the same 418 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,440 thing. You cannot do it. 419 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,920 We could, We could. It did not work well for us. 420 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,400 It ended bad. We lost friends there. 421 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,720 I mean, it's either you hang out with swinger friends or hang out 422 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,720 with vanilla friends. You can't mix the both together. 423 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,560 You can't go, hey, I got some vanilla friends, they're going 424 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,720 to be here, we're going to hang out. 425 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,280 It's going to end bad. Yeah, so sad. 426 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Yeah, but you live when you learn. 427 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:16,800 Yeah, don't you? I know. 428 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,840 That was that was my fault. That wasn't my fault, baby, that 429 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,800 was I'll. Take the blame that I was high 430 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,120 and started kissing on that guy and the the. 431 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,760 With the children there and everything and. 432 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,400 The teenage daughter, Saul, was like, what's going on, mom? 433 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,520 No, it wasn't that. It was the other one like, hey, 434 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,560 I know you guys are into this, but is that OK? 435 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,920 And I look over, I'm like, Nope, that's fucking not OK. 436 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,720 Did not mean to cause that trouble. 437 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,440 Hey, pothead, come here. But it went both ways. 438 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,440 Because he he should have known to. 439 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:55,440 Yeah, but he was. No, hey, they were under the 440 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,880 influence, but he wasn't under. The influence he. 441 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,760 He knew better. He wants that. 442 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,560 He wanted that. The affection part, that's what 443 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,960 he wanted and that's what Ellen gave him was affection. 444 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,840 He didn't get it from his from his spouse. 445 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,680 And what was interesting is the reason why they probably 446 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,080 connected as well as they did is they were both looking for 447 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,160 dominant people. Yep. 448 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,080 So they were both submissive people. 449 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,160 They didn't want to tell people that they were submissive, but 450 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,720 she was looking for a Dom male and he wanted a Dom female to 451 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,120 dress him up. Yep, and that is why they had a 452 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,440 failed relationship. Yep, and they are separated. 453 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,440 And it was doomed. It was doomed from the 454 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,800 beginning. And it wasn't your fault, Alan, 455 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,400 by any means. It was the fact, again, you 456 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,680 know, feelings run high, sexual feelings run high with people 457 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,920 that you're attracted to. And you're in that, that 458 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,080 environment, you know. Yeah, one of the fun dates we 459 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:49,880 had with that couple is I went to a I went to a Journey concert 460 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,720 with with that guy and my husband went to a bar. 461 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,160 With Speakeasy. Yeah, it was Speakeasy with his 462 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,800 wife, so we got to have a fun date, you know that. 463 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,240 And that's our father's that We've gone as far as doing any 464 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,680 that wasn't sexual, though, but we, we. 465 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,160 No. Yeah. 466 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,440 Together. We met up at the bar and then we 467 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,720 all went back to the hotel and actually got a noise complaint. 468 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,840 We did that. That we legit noise complaint 469 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,080 you. Were fucking that hard? 470 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Yeah, Oh my God. That was the funnest night with 471 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,680 that couple. That was that was one of the 472 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,640 best nights because I went down to do something. 473 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,600 They're like, are you ever going four or three O 4? 474 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,040 Yeah, we had a noise complaint on Y'all Like my bag. 475 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,680 Sorry. That was a really fun night. 476 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,440 That was a night you peed on his leg. 477 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,560 Yeah, I thought. I had a lot of I had a lot of 478 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,400 Scotch that night. He loved it though he. 479 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,400 Did It was hilarious. He's like Ellen peeing on me. 480 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,560 And she's like, no, I'm not just getting one in the lab. 481 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,560 He's like, no, you're really peeing on me. 482 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,440 And cross dresser. Dessert. 483 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,760 He's just pissed all down his leg. 484 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:58,520 They were in the wet spot anyway, it didn't matter. 485 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:03,520 Wow. Yeah, for real. 486 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,680 Yeah, come in his pants. No, no, his his wife. 487 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,760 She's a squirter. So that begs off, Yeah. 488 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,760 Yeah, that's how. There you go. 489 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,160 So my little Yeah. Anyway, that was a very fun 490 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,040 night. And that that's an example of. 491 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:19,920 That was a fun night have. Some fun with your with a couple 492 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,640 that you're. We didn't play separate. 493 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,560 What we did was is we we went on two different dates. 494 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,480 She got to go. I can't handle large crowds 495 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,040 because my PTSD. She wants to go to concert. 496 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,200 So the the bar we went to was not that many people in it was a 497 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,400 little Speakeasy. It's real nice. 498 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,840 So she got to go watch a concert. 499 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,720 I got to have a couple of drinks, just bullshit. 500 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,320 And then we all got back together and we Diddy mouse to 501 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600 the hotel. It was a good one. 502 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,280 Yeah, so good. Memories. 503 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Good memories. And those are fun things to do 504 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,640 if you're going to be the partner, the other person, they 505 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,360 can't loosen up. Switch partners. 506 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:52,280 When you're at wherever y'all are at, just switch. 507 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,000 Go, OK, you're going to come with me, I'm going to go with 508 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,440 you and walk around. Do that. 509 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Now, I know that a lot of the swingers, they do like a meet 510 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,960 and greet. And I haven't told you all this. 511 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:06,240 There is a bar that's out of a hotel downtown, and they meet, 512 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,880 Yeah, it's at a day's end on Cervantes. 513 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,560 They meet there. The days on Cervantes, yes. 514 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,160 They meet there at the bar. A lot of swingers do on certain 515 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,000 nights of the week. But I gotta quote, how do you 516 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,560 know that they're I mean, is the one person wearing like the? 517 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,760 It is posted. I'm going to find the posting 518 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,040 that I found because I was like, oh, I remember this. 519 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,600 I, you know, just came across the other day. 520 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,560 I was thinking about it, but I was thinking, you know, we, we 521 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,120 have attended Munches together, the three of us for the BDSM. 522 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,160 Yeah. And what has been our position 523 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,400 on that? So you've gone to the Munches. 524 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,360 Have you met people at the Munches? 525 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,040 We've met people, but we've. Oh, no, we met one couple at one 526 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,680 of the munches that you did do, the one that you did, the 527 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,560 restaurant, the Oh yeah, yeah, that was that was the cowboy. 528 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,880 Yeah, OK. That's the only time we've ever 529 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,840 met a couple out of much. Oh, yes, yes. 530 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Yeah, we met Cowboys and she loves her cowboy. 531 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,240 That's her favorite ones. Cowboy. 532 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760 Yeah, yeah, cow. And we're talking about cowboy. 533 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,120 And when I tell you he's a cowboy, people, he had a Stetson 534 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:10,560 hat, big ass belt buckle and huge boots. 535 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,320 He's a cowboy. He is from. 536 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:14,560 Texas, Right A. Cowboy, she rode the shit out of 537 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,400 him. Well, actually he rode you like 538 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,480 6 seconds. He was done. 539 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,760 That's true. That was the funniest thing. 540 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:26,680 Like alright so he Ellen got on top of him and he just grabbed 541 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,840 her like a jackrabbit, took off and then within like radio like 542 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,600 2 minutes he had his orgasm and then Ellen looked down and goes 543 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:40,080 well good for you it was. Like their first time. 544 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,520 No, they've done it before. It was just he was super 545 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,680 excited. He was super, super excited. 546 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,880 It's. Their first time playing No. 547 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,840 No, they've done, they've had a three-way, remember they had a 548 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,680 three-way. So he's done it before and. 549 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,360 It's it's a big deal if if you and I or somebody are a are a 550 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,360 first for a couple, that's that's a big deal. 551 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,440 It's important to us. It's like. 552 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,720 Yeah, cuz I mean, we don't. Take that lightly because we 553 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,280 remember our first experience. Yeah, but meeting people at the 554 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,160 munches, unless you're going to like a swingers munch, you could 555 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,280 probably meet people, but we've gone mostly BDSM ours. 556 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,120 We meet people through SDC, SLS, pet life. 557 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:19,600 You met people in pet life. And your friend, your your 558 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,360 swingers friends, they might ask ask them to invite you if they 559 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,080 have a get. Together. 560 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Yeah, there's a get together. You go to the get togethers. 561 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280 SLS, I mean sometimes they, they update their programming and 562 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,360 that kind of stuff. But is STC, is it easier? 563 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Is there more people? On there, STC's more people. 564 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,400 It is OK. STC's more people. 565 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,760 Yeah, we we took a break from both of them right now because 566 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,600 you'll get people that'll want to meet, but then they'll never 567 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,440 get back to you. Yes, that is those of you that 568 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,880 are trying to start the swingers lifestyle that is a normal for 569 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,280 them for the couple to start. Strike up a conversation with 570 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,240 you and then it goes nowhere. Don't. 571 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,200 That happens a lot. Don't get butt hurt. 572 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,520 That's pretty normal. Yeah, Yeah. 573 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800 I've noticed, you know, when you look at, because I advertise on 574 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,680 SLS for the parties, that kind of thing. 575 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,600 But I've noticed that on SLS, I've looked at different 576 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,880 profiles. There's always people on there. 577 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,080 It's like they only want to show pictures of the wife, you know, 578 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760 or they'll say on their profile, you know, this is what we do, 579 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,840 this is how it is, you know, you know, leave it at that. 580 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,440 You know, they're very strict on the rules or they're not, you 581 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,160 know. Yeah, and if there's a couple 582 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,120 that reaches out to you on SLS or STC, it's a couple picture 583 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,240 and the guy is talking to you and, and he says Oh well, my, my 584 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,560 wife cannot make it, but I can. But I. 585 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Can. Oh yeah, that happens. 586 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,800 A that is a that is a single. That's a single guy. 587 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,720 Oh yes. We've had that's had like three 588 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,480 or four times. Yeah. 589 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Like. Crazy and like we'll get a date 590 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,440 to show we're going to meet and everything and then all of a 591 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,000 sudden he'll oh by the way, my wife can't make it, but I can 592 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,800 still come and we all have a good time and we're like and 593 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320 fuck off. Wow, that's so crazy. 594 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,040 Well, yeah, scammer. A scammer. 595 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,960 Scammer is a scammer. It's that. 596 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,000 Yeah. I'm glad you remember. 597 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,880 That another thing we've noticed with swingers is when you go to 598 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,200 parties, don't again again don't get butt hurt if you try are 599 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,240 trying to meet swinger couples because they're. 600 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,760 Cliquish. Yeah, they're cliquish. 601 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,440 Like if they don't want to talk, they don't want to talk to you 602 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,120 at a party. A lot of these couples will go 603 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,040 ahead and have another couple to go with them so they don't feel 604 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,600 left out. And it's not necessarily that 605 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,880 you've done anything wrong, they just they've already got their 606 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,400 little. They've got their core group. 607 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,560 Yeah, they got their core group established, so don't let that. 608 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,080 You got it. You got to try to get in the 609 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,200 group, but you can't even really get in to talk to him. 610 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,120 It's like they're celebrities, you know? 611 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400 That's how it is. It's like we've done many of 612 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,280 them like that. I'm like, well fuck you. 613 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Yeah, I've noticed like I'll go on there and they're like, Oh 614 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,000 yeah, we're on the boat. We're on Crab Island or we're 615 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,360 here we're and it's like what, You know, it's like, I hate to 616 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,000 break it to them, but not everybody has a boat and not 617 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,680 everybody wants to go out to Crab Island. 618 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,480 You know, it's like to me, they're kind of narrowing down 619 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,560 their their their dating pool there. 620 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,640 You. Know it's hard. 621 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,760 It's it's not easy to get a couple to talk to you get a date 622 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,760 and time set and actually get together. 623 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 But if you get, if you can get to those, if you can get through 624 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,080 those steps, you got a good chance. 625 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,880 You get that first date, you got a good chance. 626 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,520 It's going to work out. It's not. 627 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760 It's not easy peasy. OK, so two things I want to 628 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,120 bring up. So it's really interesting that 629 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,720 you talk about the whole single man being a scammer. 630 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,520 Yeah. Oh, and they're good. 631 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,560 But you know, what's interesting though, is it's sad because 632 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,160 there's good single guys out there, you know, but they, they 633 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,600 get overcharged at parties. You know, they'll definitely 634 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280 overcharge them if they're single, they're coming stag or 635 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,280 if they're just coming to stag in general. 636 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,320 But their regular, their regular swinger, you know, they can't go 637 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,360 on boat cruises, they can't do a lot of things. 638 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,760 And it's kind of sad because you know, it's like if your 639 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,720 partner's, you know, you know, breaks up with you, for example, 640 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,680 you're kind of fucked in a sense. 641 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:07,040 So the other thing I was going to bring up was, wow, see, I'm 642 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,040 doing it. I'm thinking, what was it? 643 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,960 Because you'd said something about meeting somebody and just 644 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,480 like the three steps of like. Getting it's not. 645 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,280 It's not easy. It's hard. 646 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,600 I remember what it was. You all like The Golden Girls 647 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,840 porn? Yes, and then love The Golden 648 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:23,960 Girls porn. Yeah. 649 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560 When you not quite your Golden Girls, that's what it's called. 650 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,920 OK, what was the funniest part about that was when you all said 651 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,560 that you met these people and they were older, but you've met 652 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,640 couples who have been older and you're cool with that. 653 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,840 They're over 50, right? Plus, but they don't tell you 654 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480 that their guy is impotent. Oh yeah, yeah. 655 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,440 That fucking happens You. All, all the time. 656 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,600 Well, and this I think what is the age group that we we're over 657 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,720 50 all right, we're over 50. So our the the pool that we get 658 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:01,760 to pull from is the guys are 55566062 and for for the girls, 659 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,400 like I could, I could tell them all the time. 660 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,840 It's easier for y'all. Y'all gotta either put a little 661 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,520 oil down there and here you go. But us we gotta fucking. 662 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,360 We know people that do the shots. 663 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,080 Yeah, they do. To try and the Dick you got 664 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,240 some. Stories on that. 665 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,760 That one too. And like, so we got to perform 666 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,480 and it's it's hard for us sometimes because when we can't 667 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560 perform, what once we start, once we get something in our 668 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,400 head and we can't get it out. Well, your Dick is done, guys 669 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,920 and everybody, every older guy knows that you're like, oh, fuck 670 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,600 is down and you try to get it back up. 671 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,480 Sometimes it'll come back up and it won't. 672 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:42,120 It's just it's but yeah, we've, we've met a lot of couples like 673 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480 that. We're starting out, he's good. 674 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,000 And then for about 5 minutes and then and then he's down and I'm 675 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,760 like on the inside, I'm giggling. 676 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,400 I'm not gonna lie. I'm like my ass off. 677 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,760 I am. But I'm like, oh, I'm sorry 678 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,080 sweetie. Mine worked just fine, thank. 679 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,560 You. I love it when you told me you 680 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,400 went to go meet these people at their house and they were the 681 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,480 older couple and. Our golden girl. 682 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,200 Your golden girl and Clark was like, yeah, she baked us cookies 683 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,400 and made us lunch. She sure. 684 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,960 Did that was. Great. 685 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,280 Oh my God, I was like, I'm going to bang my grandma. 686 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,920 Now her, her guy, his Dick worked. 687 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,920 Yeah, but what did you? Do soft swat with them. 688 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,160 What did you do to them, Alan? I'm trying to get there. 689 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,000 We had oral with them and I did bring my sex toys and all and I 690 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,480 sucked his balls too hard. Just just Ellen has a fetish 691 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,360 where she pulls on the balls just a little too hard. 692 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,520 I. Really like it. 693 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,880 I can take it, but I've heard of many guys come to me like, like, 694 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,240 dude, she can't be doing that to me no more. 695 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,200 That hurt, that that hurts. What was it? 696 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,680 The One Cup we were with? He walked over here. 697 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,680 Look, I know you can pull Clark's nuts across the room, 698 00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:58,960 but you cannot do that in the mind. 699 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Please don't do that again. I should look at him and go 700 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,960 pussy, yeah. Right. 701 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,360 Pussy, that is awesome. But yeah, he, he, he claimed 702 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,560 like for two weeks that his nuts were hurting him. 703 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,400 Oh there again this is a life experience and so I learned with 704 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,080 other guys to go. So how hard can I suck your 705 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,280 balls? Well, it's not like you're 706 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,480 grabbing them and like holding them in a bunch and pulling on 707 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,680 them. You're just sucking on a. 708 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,880 Ball, you don't do a Mia Yeah time of the base and then pull 709 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,360 that rope up between their asshole and their cheeks. 710 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,280 So. Damn. 711 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240 Yeah, I would be tapping out there. 712 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,200 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting nothing for guys that 713 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,520 that we got. It's hard for us because we're 714 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,360 older now. We're not, we're not 182535. 715 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,200 We're in our 50s now. And like I remember mine didn't 716 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,840 work that one time. I was freaking out and. 717 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,240 That's why and then say they want to do a, they want to play 718 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360 in a separate room so they don't have to focus on the other 719 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,600 woman. I don't know. 720 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,200 I don't I. Don't remember, we played with a 721 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,320 couple. We were in the same room and I 722 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,800 was having fun with with his wife and he said he couldn't 723 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,719 perform because she was having fun and it wasn't. 724 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,600 It wasn't from a lack of you sucking his Dick. 725 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,159 That was like, and that did not make sense to us because it's 726 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,639 the opposite for us. We get more turned on when we 727 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,520 see each other getting pleasure from the other people. 728 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,760 Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, it that that blew my 729 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,320 mind. And they were like, can we do 730 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719 separate play next time? And Speaking of fun, easy things 731 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,840 to try with with couples on a date, if you one thing we've 732 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,320 done too is we've met the couple at the place and then we swapped 733 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,560 partners before we went inside the restaurant and sat down and 734 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,159 pretended that the other person is your partner. 735 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,679 That's a lot of fun because the waitresses one time the waitress 736 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,159 looked at my husband and the and the other woman said y'all just 737 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,880 make the cutest little couple and I was. 738 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,720 Just no, don't we? It was. 739 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,400 Really fun SO. I would go, OK honey, what you 740 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,000 want to get? So they're trying. 741 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,040 That's fun too, swapping before you go inside the restaurant. 742 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000 And they can also like take pressure off a new couples. 743 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,000 We had to do that with Cowboy. Yes, we did that with Cowboy to 744 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,240 loosen, loosen them up, especially loosen her up to get 745 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,040 her to loosen up. Yeah, that's. 746 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,880 True, and all it took for that was me to show her a bunch of 747 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,680 videos of us fucking. So that worked. 748 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,360 She got ready, that was about it. 749 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,560 That got her pants. Cowboy was like, what do you 750 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,120 mean you saw fucking and shit? I didn't see anything. 751 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,320 He showed me everything. Oh. 752 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,200 My God, you guys are. Hilarious. 753 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,440 I think that's a great way to end this. 754 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,320 I think that you have, you've really opened a lot of eyes and 755 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640 ears to what you could potentially do as swingers. 756 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,560 And I, I really say this all the time. 757 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,720 I'm like you guys are the perfect example of a fun couple, 758 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,320 you know. And like you said, you take it 759 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,680 very serious and you communicate very well about it and it just 760 00:35:58,680 --> 00:35:59,600 works out well. Well. 761 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,320 Thank you. But like I said, we've, we 762 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,800 mostly, I, we make mistakes and we learn from it and we just do 763 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360 the best we can with it. You know, potato. 764 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,760 Potato. Yeah, you know who cares? 765 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,840 I want to know on the record that I have not made a mistake 766 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,240 yet. It's it's, it's been Ellen 99% 767 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:21,640 of the time. Ellen cannot control herself 768 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,280 when she does things. I literally have to pull her 769 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,360 back something I'm like, whoa or sea bass, slow down. 770 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,360 Yeah, I know that. That's what gets us in trouble 771 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,360 sometimes, too. They're not swingers. 772 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,480 I don't know what you're doing over there. 773 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,240 They're not swingers. You notice you got to convert 774 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:42,680 them. You know, you're, you're like 775 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,480 working for the Church of the swingers. 776 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,680 That's right. You know, you got to convert, 777 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,760 you know, like, like we're a bunch of Jehovah's Witness. 778 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,520 We're going to go to their door and be like, hey. 779 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,480 Well, we we got one, one couple that are friends that she's 780 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,000 converted but he's not. Yes. 781 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,120 Awesome, She would do it in high Zen. 782 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,280 He won't do it. I'm. 783 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,440 Working on that one step at a time. 784 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600 That's so awesome. Thank you for having us. 785 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,720 Thank you for joining us. You're welcome. 786 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,520 Fun we always we always love having spending time with you, 787 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,560 our sweet friends. Oh, Ditto. 788 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,960 Ditto, Ellen. Thanks, Clark. 789 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,520 So fun. All right, so until then, may 790 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160 all your fantasies become realities.