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Hi, welcome to the latest 
episode of Call Me a Mistress. 

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I am Mistress Mia and I've got 
Madame Liv. 

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Hi, guys. 
Now you're whispering. 

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OK. 
Hi guys, it's me. 

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Liv is such a little jokester, 
prankster, funny, goofy person. 

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I mean, you don't. 
They don't see this side of you,

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which is really funny. 
Yeah, they see a different side.

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I have different personas I can 
put on. 

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You do because yesterday you're 
just, we had the best time and 

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then I'm like, God, she's goofy 
as shit. 

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We have such a great time and 
I'm laying in a bed. 

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I'm like, God, she's so awesome.
I'm like, Liv, you are so 

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awesome. 
I'm so glad we met. 

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I know you're getting on the 
issue with me I. 

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Know I know, but I love you. 
You're great. 

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I love you too. 
So we always have admirers that 

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write us and I like to read some
of the emails sometimes when 

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they pop up on my fat feed or or
e-mail. 

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Now we've had some haters, you 
know, at the end of the year 

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I've been called a few nice 
lovely things, but I don't give 

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a fuck. 
Yeah, honestly, it's like it's 

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almost funny. 
And then we just go to the ones 

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that actually like us. 
Yeah, there's so much. 

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More of the ones that like us, 
yes. 

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You're like four people. 
You don't want that? 

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Don't like who? 
Cares who cares? 

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Fucking haters, fuck them all. 
Right, so this guy contacted us.

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I'm fat and he's like, he's 
like, I've been a longtime 

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listener for the foreseeable 
future. 

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Mistress Mia, I love your 
podcast. 

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The banter between you and 
Barbie is the best. 

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Don't ever change that, please. 
I laugh and I smile throughout 

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your podcast episodes. 
I get so intrigued by your 

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famous parties and I hear you 
guys talk about him. 

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I just wish I lived in the US to
attend one. 

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That would be a dream come true.
That's sweet. 

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That is sweet. 
I'm like, oh. 

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We have one coming up and travel
to come see us. 

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Right. 
And then this gentleman wrote me

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this past week. 
Same guy, No. 

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OK. 
New e-mail, new listener, new 

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fan, and talk about a 
sweetheart. 

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So he's on Fat Life. 
I won't tell you his full name, 

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but Wolf is in his name. 
So we're going to call him Big 

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Wolf. 
So he writes me. 

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He's like, I just want to say 
thank you for making your 

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podcast. 
I just discovered it. 

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It's amazing. 
I've been laughing my ass off 

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most of the day and hopefully 
one day, if ever, I'll make it 

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back to Florida. 
I would love to come and book an

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appointment. 
I appreciate you and everything 

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you're doing and please keep up 
the great work with the podcast.

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Have a beautiful day and thank 
you again. 

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That's sweet. 
And that's sweet. 

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I thought that was so cool. 
I love. 

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When they say nice things to us 
about that. 

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Oh, my gosh, yeah. 
You know, so I wrote him back 

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and I told him that he's got a 
lot of cool pictures of him and 

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his dog and he's got a beautiful
little puppy, you know? 

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And so I wrote him back and I'm 
like, oh, I love, you know, 

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pictures of your dog. 
And he's like, yeah, you know, 

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my, my tea is I guess her name 
is his world. 

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And, and he's a truck driver, so
he's driving and it's cold and, 

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you know, but he said he liked 
reading my profile, looking at 

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all of our photos, and he still 
said he was trying to figure out

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who everyone was from the 
podcast. 

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So I sent him pictures of you 
and Barbie and myself so he 

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would kind of. 
Get it like a better idea? 

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Yeah, just like a singular, hey,
this is her but, but he's like, 

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yeah, I don't mean to bug you. 
I'm like, you're not bugging me.

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I love these nice emails. 
Yeah, that's not bugging. 

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They're cool, right? 
Yeah. 

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But then, which was really 
interesting at the end of last 

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year, I just like to throw this 
in because I think it's very 

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amusing with people. 
You know, BDSM is so taboo in so

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many circles. 
It's like I've tried to tell 

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parts of my family that there's 
so many things that I do that 

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help other people. 
Yeah, you probably save people's

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lives and don't even know it. 
You know, and if that's the 

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case, I, I'm happy to do it 
because I love the people that 

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come into my life that show 
heart and goodness, you know, 

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they're just pure. 
Love, pure love. 

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Yeah, You know, that's what God 
is, is love. 

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That's it. 
And we're spreading. 

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Love that's it. 
And so I got this lovely comment

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here because they reported this 
video podcast episode that I did

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with Charles where he's, you 
know, he's a grown ass man. 

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You know, he's almost 50. 
Me. 

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Too, He's not. 
He does not look like a little 

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boy at all. 
No, he's not even a little boy. 

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No, but I mean, he's short and 
cute, but he's a grown ass man 

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in this video. 
But the video was degrading a 

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Sissy girl. 
Eat your come Sissy. 

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And it was it was a cool video. 
It was him sucking a strap on. 

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There really wasn't, you know, 
big nudity other than the fact 

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that he was jacking off at the 
end of it. 

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And I made him meet his own 
calm. 

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And what was really funny is he 
was like kind of setting the 

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stage. 
So he got a a black dinner 

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plate, but it was glass, it was 
porcelain, right? 

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So he said it made the cum 
colder quicker. 

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And he said it was so gross. 
You know when he did it, he. 

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Only likes hot cum. 
Yeah, he likes it. 

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Like fresh out of the tap, you 
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I mean chocolate and I'm. 
Not cooked on my. 

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Chocolate you're eating. 
Chocolate, not cum. 

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You're OK live, you're good. 
But anyway, someone commented. 

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I was like, Oh my God, but they 
posted on on Spotify. 

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Turn to Jesus. 
Don't fall back into the cycle 

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of lust. 
The devil is always tempting you

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by saying just one more time, 
but really it'll be an endless 

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cycle of lust. 
You don't seek. 

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If you don't seek Jesus, he will
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Just ask for his strength and 
wisdom when dealing with lust. 

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Well, here's the thing. 
He Charles, is not hurting 

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anybody. 
No. 

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He's all by. 
Himself, he's all by himself, 

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he's all by you know, he's he's 
not hurting anyone. 

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And the simple fact of it is, 
these people, you know, they 

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forget that Jesus best friend 
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and that he. 
Was in love with her. 

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Yeah, and he had 12 disciples 
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desert and all sinners, All 
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And, you know, they're known in 
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You know, Iraq is boys are for 
pleasure, women are for 

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breeding. 
You know, there's so many parts 

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in the Middle East where it's, 
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homosexuality, you know, in 
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Obviously, you know, Iran has 
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the original Persia, which is 
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like originated in that 
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But here we're getting into a 
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podcast. 
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Brave Jesus. 
I'll start with some. 

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But you know, it's like, OK, we 
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We're Christians. 
However, in this scenario, he's 

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not hurting anybody. 
No, But yet this person tried to

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say that I was a child's 
groomer. 

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Like I was grooming kids for 
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And I'm like what? 
Don't know where. 

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You don't know where that even 
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But yeah, there, that is just 
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It's really a profound thing. 
And it brings me to my topic of 

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how taboo BDSM is so 
interesting. 

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So we we were having 
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You were there the other night 
when we all had dinner, OK. 

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We were all out with my family 
and my, my sister, my oldest 

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sister, she's 62. 
She has, has always been a very 

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devout Catholic. 
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And she starts really saying 
things under her breath when it 

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comes to me and the podcast. 
And she, she has called me many 

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things that weren't very unkind 
about what I do and talking 

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about the podcast, talking about
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And so, you know, I told her I'm
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all in this together, you know, 
and BDSM is just something else 

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that other people like to do. 
And it's doesn't make us 

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deviance. 
It doesn't make us horrible 

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people. 
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sitting there and she was 
telling us about her brother and

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her brother-in-law and 
sister-in-law on her husband's 

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side of the family. 
Apparently the brother-in-law 

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has a Bigfoot fetish and he they
always had a sex swing, you 

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know, and she says, you know, 
they're just nothing but 

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deviance. 
They're they're just sick. 

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They're just sick people. 
I think it's sick if you're just

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going to have monotone sex. 
Yeah, well, you know, they used 

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to have sex, Her and her gay 
husband who came out of the 

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closet. 
Oh nice. 

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You know that they used to have 
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scheduled scheduled sex, and 
that was not an indication. 

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That's deviant. 
You know what that man is going 

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through? 
That's why he went gay. 

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Yeah. 
My God. 

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Yeah. 
But, you know, I told her, I 

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said, you know, I said everybody
has a fetish. 

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I said it could be spanking, it 
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way someone smells. 
You know, it could be. 

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It's something as simple. 
Simple as like hands. 

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I like man's hands. 
That's in itself. 

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It's just such a small one. 
Yes, vanilla, but still. 

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Yes, eyes. 
People love eyes. 

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Yes, it's just smaller. 
Scale, a smaller scale. 

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You know, I love it when my 
girlfriend wears these types of 

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panties. 
You know, it's a kink and you 

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know, she makes it dirty. 
And I said, you know, I said her

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name and I said, you know, 
you're just making it dirty. 

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I said he made it dirty, you 
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cheating on his wife, cheated on
his wife with multiple 

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prostitutes, you know, and 
honestly, he was never a nice 

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guy. 
He's not a great person, 

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obviously was not a great 
husband, you know, but it is 

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what it is. 
And so I, I bring this topic up 

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because so many people struggle 
with having these fetishes and 

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having these kinks, you know, 
and it's just like your admirer 

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who reached out to you. 
He said he wanted skin on skin. 

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He obviously lacks intimacy. 
You know, the other night once 

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you left. 
So just to give the listeners 

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some background on this. 
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fucked up Friday. 
And there was you, myself and 

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Ruby. 
We were the three doms in there.

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And then Naomi came in, so it 
was four women. 

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And then we had Charles that 
came in to help us. 

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And then we had AJ, who was the 
Sissy slut who participated. 

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He was cool with us giving, you 
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He has no secrecy about it. 
And then we had one other 

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gentleman who's one of our 
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He comes to events, he comes for
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Nice guy, name is Brian. 
No big deal. 

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Anyway, so Brian, he's lacking 
intimacy in his marriage and he 

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went and said to, to Naomi, he's
like, would you just do a 

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session with me where, you know,
we just touch one another, you 

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know, and he's like, you know, 
I, I like to give massages and 

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I, you know, he basically, he 
likes heavy petting, obviously, 

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but without the sex. 
And so that says, you know, if 

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that's his kink, who's he 
hurting? 

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You know, does that make him a 
sexual deviant? 

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I don't want a pet. 
Yeah, you know, because that's 

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my point. 
It's like, you know, my sister 

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turned around and said that it 
was, you know, his foot fetish 

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and his his sex Wang that made 
him disgusting. 

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And I was like. 
That's why people fall into 

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themselves and don't talk about 
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Yeah. 
Because of people like that. 

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Because, you know, you live with
this, you can't. 

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And there's some people that 
have it. 

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So, you know, it's a real thing.
You know, we're made in the 

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image of him. 
So it's like you have this thing

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and you're not, you know, it's 
better to just fulfill it fully,

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be yourself. 
And if it means having this 

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thing that if you hold it in it,
it it's like a cancer it. 

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Is it eats you up for real? 
I'm so glad you said that 

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because you know, that's what so
many people have issues with. 

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And, you know, one of the 
gentlemen in that room had said 

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to me it wasn't Charles. 
Obviously Charles is very open 

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with everything about himself he
had. 

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Fun. 
I liked watching him have fun. 

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Oh, he's so sweet. 
He's such a doll. 

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But it's interesting because 
these other guys, they've 

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struggled with their 
bisexuality, you know, and they 

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both want to be forced to do it 
so they won't feel guilt. 

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And I said, guys, you know, 
everyone in this room is 

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bisexual. 
You know, we're all bisexual on 

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some level, you know? 
Yeah. 

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You don't want a relationship 
with the dude because you're a 

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dude, you know? 
But would you suck a Dick 

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because it's a Dick? 
Yeah. 

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Go ahead. 
So tell us, Liv, what was your 

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first sexual experience with 
another woman? 

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Well, I've, I, I'm going to say 
like the first, first one 

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because I was really young. 
I, I, I feel like I've always 

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had these problems. 
But when I first realized it, I 

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was, I was really young because 
I kissed a girl on the bus. 

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We were dare to do it, you know,
and we're like, oh, yeah. 

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And I kissed her. 
She had long curly brown hair 

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and I got to kiss her. 
And that was like my first real 

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experience with touching another
woman with my face. 

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I'm like, I didn't even know I 
liked that Then you know, I sent

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a picture of my who nanny out to
a boy. 

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OK, your hoop nanny. 
My hoop. 

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My hoop. 
Nanny, I sent that to a boy and 

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you know, cameras back in the 
day on the phone. 

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Which not. 
Flattering and I Oh. 

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No. 
I did not know. 

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I just took I literally ran, you
know, took that picture and I 

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sent it to him and he replied 
you so so I was traumatized for 

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a good while. 
Did it meow they probably I 

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don't know, but I I went to my 
best friend and I was like, can 

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I see your vagina? 
Like just like matter of fact, 

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And I just kind of see it till I
know if I'm OK or not, Like am I

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normal or do I look you you know
what I mean. 

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I want to know. 
And she said you to me and I was

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just like really let down by 
that. 

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We weren't friends no more, but 
that's like the second 

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encounter. 
But the one as an adult. 

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Yeah, I know. 
I've always been by. 

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Just never really. 
Poor girl. 

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I know whatever, but. 
First experience as an adult was

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right whenever I was out of my 
marriage and I was just like let

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loose into the into the wild. 
And I went to a bar and the this

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couple came up to me and was 
just like kind of just playing 

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around. 
Like, hey, you want to hang out 

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at my house on a weekend And we 
do like dinner and stuff. 

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Like, sure, I went over there, 
we cooked out and she just 

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pulled her titty out. 
Big ass titties. 

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I'm coming out. 
Her body was tiny framed, but 

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she had the biggest titties. 
She squirted. 

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Me with her breast milk. 
Oh my God. 

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That's how she did it. 
That's how she started this 

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whole thing. 
I was like, I didn't know how to

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think about it. 
I didn't find it sexy at all, 

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you know? 
I was like, well, that's 

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interesting you. 
Know OK, wow. 

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And eventually we actually all 
got too nervous and we I was 

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about to leak, so I was getting 
too late. 

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And she said, well, let me show 
you around the house. 

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Let me tell you, show me her 
room, the first one. 

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And she just sits on the bed, 
takes off her shirt. 

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I was like, OK, that's what 
we're doing and I got to enjoy 

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both of them at the same time. 
And that was. 

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All right. 
Was my first true experience. 

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So I got to like see and touch 
and like, are we the same? 

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And all these things like I got 
to actually do that. 

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And it was so, you know, with 
anybody else in the whole world,

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I probably would have like not 
been gay after that. 

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But she made it so comfortable. 
She was so sweet. 

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She didn't make anything sexy 
like over the top. 

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She was everything was just 
cute. 

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She was cute. 
She would be running around 

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like, like chasing me and stuff 
and I'm like, it was cute. 

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It was not a sexy experience, 
but it was one of the best 

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experiences I ever had. 
And, you know, kudos to her. 

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But she knew what she was doing 
because they moved like the next

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week. 
They had planned to do this 

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before they moved so they would 
never see me again. 

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And I wasn't made aware. 
And it hurt my. 

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Feelings. 
Wow. 

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But they did that be like, oh, 
well, we're moving, so we'll 

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let's do this before we move. 
And then we get in a whole new 

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area. 
And so that's what happened. 

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They moved like 3-4 hours away 
in that. 

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Come to find out though, 'cause 
her husband reached out to me 

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like a year later and he was 
like, yeah, we actually had made

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a baby that night. 
So they had a baby and and named

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it after one of his tattoos. 
Wow. 

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I know. 
I was like, Oh my God, I helped 

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make a baby. 
Oh wow, that's cool. 

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It was your sperm and 
everything. 

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I know I was. 
I was like, that baby's mine 

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too. 
I helped make it. 

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Oh, shit, that's interesting. 
Yeah, you know, I don't know, I 

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I've had, I did my own little 
experience experimentations 

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after my first divorce, but 
during my divorce, I mean during

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my marriage, excuse me, during 
my marriage to my first husband,

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my best friend that I grew up 
with thought that it would going

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to be cool if she came in on the
shower with me and like. 

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While you're married. 
Yeah, and, and my husband was 

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there. 
He wanted to watch. 

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Oh OK so there y'all are into 
it. 

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Well, I wasn't into it. 
Oh, because they just shocked 

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me. 
I should have locked my damn 

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bathroom door because I don't 
want to. 

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I didn't want to make out or 
even have sex or anything. 

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You didn't want to have anything
with a. 

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Woman. 
No, not with her. 

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Oh, not with her. 
Yeah, not with her and not with 

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my my ogling looking, you know, 
husband at the time, like, you 

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know, standing there jacking his
Dick, you know, it's like. 

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Oh, that does sound kind of. 
Cringy. 

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It was like here I'm going to 
take a hot shower before I go to

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bed and I've got horny one and 
horny 2. 

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Like hounding me like that 
wasn't fun. 

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That was your first experience? 
That was my first experience 

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when I. 
Wasn't like an awakening? 

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No, not an awakening. 
Probably when I was dating 

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someone after my first marriage,
after my first divorce, my first

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marriage and I met somebody we 
were, you know, through like 

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alter one of those dating sites,
whatever. 

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And you know, I met her and 
she's I I like pretty black 

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women, you know, my best friend 
growing up. 

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She is a pale white girl with 
red hair. 

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I don't like gingers. 
I'm not sexually attracted to 

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gingers. 
I don't like red hair. 

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I do not like that Sam. 
I am. 

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I don't like it. 
Oh, poor gingers out in the 

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world, Yeah. 
You know, I mean, I've slept 

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with ginger men, but ginger 
women. 

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I feel like I feel like I'd 
rather have a gender woman than 

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a gender man, and my boyfriend 
right now told me that ginger 

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women have a specific thing in 
their vagina that's different 

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from all other women. 
OK, I'm unaware of that. 

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I'm unaware of it too. 
I want to find out How did I 

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find out though? 
Would she have freckles? 

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Well you don't ask as ex see if 
she spread that pussy for you. 

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She probably would. 
I I don't know if we're talking 

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about the one that I'm thinking 
about, no. 

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Yeah, she's a fun little bitch. 
You know, with him, I'm, I'm 

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able to be open in things. 
So like he would let me, you 

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know, experiment. 
Yeah. 

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With a redhead, Yes. 
And he likes redheads anyway, so

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it's like works out. 
Yeah, I know he. 

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Likes different in there. 
What's different? 

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You know, and the thing that is,
there's some beautiful redheads.

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I get it. 
Beautiful women. 

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Amy Adams, love her, right, But 
my best friend, she was a 

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stripper growing up. 
She was, you know, way ahead of 

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everyone else, like losing her 
virginity at, you know, 1213 

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years of age. 
It was bad and I just I was, I'm

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just not attracted to, you know,
your best friend like that. 

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It's just kind of like, you 
know, we're broskis, not, you 

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know, a little fuck buddies. 
I would have. 

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Them with my friend. 
My answer to see my vagina. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, you're probably messing. 

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So she don't she don't talk to 
me no more. 

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I reach out every now and then. 
She's like, that's that creeper 

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live. 
Yeah. 

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No, but you know, again, she's 
she's probably closeted. 

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She's probably just like, you 
know, I don't want to step over 

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that threshold and because 
people are scared by it. 

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Because I think it's taboo 
because everything that's, you 

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know, like there are so many 
cultures, so many religions that

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isn't like religions that are 
here in the US There's a lot of 

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religions that have where you 
have multiple wives or multiple 

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husbands, like it's polyamorous 
as part of a religion. 

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You know, you're just like, 
yeah, you know what's right and 

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what's wrong in that? 
So just, I would say just be a 

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good person, be the best you can
be, you know, spread love and be

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who you are. 
Yeah. 

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In a nice way though. 
Yeah. 

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Like don't be it like, you know,
because serial killers. 

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Guys, don't do that. 
I'm not trying to promote that, 

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but be yourself. 
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

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But you know, everybody has a 
flavor for what they like, you 

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know, and it's like I said, I'm 
not anti redheads. 

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I've slept with redhead that are
men. 

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But you know, it's like one of 
them, he had a fucking hairy ass

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back. 
It was like. 

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The red hair. 
Yeah, reddish blonde. 

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It was like all over. 
It was like so thick, like even 

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the sweat wouldn't absorb. 
It was just like sweat beaded on

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him. 
It was like. 

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Yeah, you didn't have good 
experiences. 

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That was now. 
I didn't have good experiences. 

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I never did. 
I don't think I've ever had sex 

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with a redhead like a true. 
Redhead Oh, I have, I have I I 

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have fucked Indians. 
I've fucked Iranians. 

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Iraqi. 
Did you make it around the 

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world? 
Every fucking culture, even 

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Swedish I've like. 
Girl, you get around. 

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Yeah, there's hundreds. 
Hundreds. 

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Love your confidence. 
It's true. 

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It's been, there's been 
hundreds. 

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My friend and I used to have a 
competition with how many people

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we could sleep with and we'd 
write them down. 

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And so hers would be like the 
pizza guy, the circus guy. 

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Yeah, I have a friend that we 
name all his little whores 

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because he asks a lot of people 
and I call him, oh, that is that

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sandals? 
You know, because she wear these

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ugly ass sandals. 
Is that sandals? 

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Yeah. 
Is that orangutan titties? 

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You know what I mean? 
We call we have one of those 

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orangutans. 
Oh my God, That's how we keep up

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with them. 
So I could not keep up with 

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their names. 
Wow. 

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So I probably the same thing. 
Well, I like I said, I've always

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slept with attractive black 
women. 

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Really. 
As women, Yeah. 

447
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,760
Now there's this really cool 
couple that comes to the parties

448
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,600
all the time, but we're friends 
now. 

449
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,320
I don't want to fuck friends, 
you know I don't. 

450
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,240
That's the best kind. 
I don't want to do that. 

451
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,800
I just don't like that. 
It's weird now. 

452
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:38,640
Oh, I. 
Guess. 

453
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,840
You know what I'm saying? 
Yeah, because you don't want to 

454
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,800
mess with the friendship. 
Yeah, you don't. 

455
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,120
And it's like. 
That's why if like you have sex 

456
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,080
with somebody and especially if 
you're going to be close and 

457
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,960
quarters with them only once. 
Now see Missus Griswold, we ran 

458
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,880
into this before when when they 
first started swinging, OK, they

459
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,840
met this couple that were 
younger than them. 

460
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,280
Well, he the husband of this 
other couple, they weren't 

461
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:08,440
really into older women. 
He was not into older women, but

462
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,720
his wife, his wife was really 
into just kind of like any 

463
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,880
attractive woman. 
And that they connected with, 

464
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,000
you know, so they would go 
camping, They would hang out 

465
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,200
together. 
And this went on for a couple of

466
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,240
months, you know, just a few 
times. 

467
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,960
And finally they started to 
realize, oh, shit. 

468
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,120
Well, the Griswolds are in their
50s, and we're in our late 20s, 

469
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,800
early 30s. 
And they're like, you know, we 

470
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,600
really care about them, but 
they're more like our aunt and 

471
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,400
uncle now because we've we've 
come so close. 

472
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,680
And so I've tried to explain 
that to Ellen. 

473
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
It is. 
And, and Ellen, she took that 

474
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,760
hard. 
And I was just like, Ellen, 

475
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,320
they're just young kids. 
They just want to go and fuck. 

476
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,240
Strange. 
Yeah, they have so much, you 

477
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,360
know that they. 
Want to do? 

478
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,120
Yeah, they want to fuck. 
Strange they they don't want to 

479
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:02,760
have emotional connections to 
people, you know, like. 

480
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600
That is she just wanting like a 
Poly relationship with another 

481
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,480
couple or what is her goal? 
What would you mean, the other 

482
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,440
couple or the Chris Wallace? 
Oh, no, Ellen. 

483
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,400
Ellen still wanted just to see 
them and hang out with him. 

484
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,680
She says Mia doesn't have to be 
sexual. 

485
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,480
So she just liked them. 
She really liked them, Yeah. 

486
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,800
She liked being around them 
because they're great people, 

487
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,000
you know? 
They're fun, beautiful people. 

488
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,960
And so that was the same concept
because I told I told the couple

489
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,120
I was like, you know, Ellen and 
Clark, they don't have to fuck 

490
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,560
you all. 
You know, it's not like that. 

491
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:45,840
They just want to be your 
friends, you know, And now, 

492
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,640
granted, they don't live in the 
same city. 

493
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,200
They're, you know, several hours
apart now, but you know, they'll

494
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,440
be back at another party. 
I'm going to have to reach out 

495
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,720
to them soon and and talk to 
them. 

496
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,320
But you know, but I see where 
they're coming from because like

497
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:05,280
I said, there's a couple here 
and you know, I would feel 

498
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,200
awkward in the sense that, well,
I'd be fucking the wife and the 

499
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,280
husband be OK with that, because
I told the husband, I said, you 

500
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,000
know, I'm I'm monogamous to my 
husband with other men. 

501
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,560
I said, but you know, there's 
exceptions. 

502
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,960
You know, we just haven't 
explored that Ave., you know. 

503
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,720
But I like some sexy black 
women. 

504
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,960
And I tell you what, Bree and I 
were in the coffee shop few 

505
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,520
months back and there was this 
cute little black girl and she 

506
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,600
was about four foot 84, foot 9. 
Real tiny. 

507
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,680
Real tiny. 
Definitely your type. 

508
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,600
Yes, didn't look like she didn't
have the the the small little 

509
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,480
person legs. 
They she look like it hurt. 

510
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,760
She, her body look like a 12 
year old, you know, and it was 

511
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,680
almost like, OK, let's make sure
her face looks mature enough 

512
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,920
that she doesn't look like a 
child. 

513
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,080
You know, that's creepy. 
But she has a very mature face. 

514
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,560
You could tell she's in her 20s,
you know, in her late 20s. 

515
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,240
But she has this cute little 
voice and she's fucking 

516
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320
adorable. 
And so Bree's like, Oh my God, 

517
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,320
she works at the car wash and 
I'm like, let's go get her and 

518
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,640
kidnap her. 
Did you get her number? 

519
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,520
No, because when we were in the 
coffee shop she was talking to 

520
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,800
other people and I didn't want 
to interrupt her. 

521
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,400
But she's in the area. 
She works at the car wash, so 

522
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000
when I go to the car wash again,
I'll be a little. 

523
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Bit cute, you know, get your 
hair done or something. 

524
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,120
Yeah, I'll get her number the. 
Car be clean when you get there.

525
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,800
She's like, I don't have a dirty
car, I come here for you. 

526
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,640
Hey baby, I want that brown 
sugar. 

527
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Oh, let me know how that goes. 
Yeah, I told my husband I'm 

528
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,440
like, yeah, I just want her to 
sit on my lap so I can do dirty 

529
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,440
things to her. 
Yeah, I've been looking for one 

530
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,920
too. 
It's so hard to find. 

531
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,040
It is a girl that would be OK 
with that. 

532
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,160
Yeah, but. 
It's so odd. 

533
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,480
What? 
Happened to the babysitter. 

534
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,440
She started dating somebody and 
we never got to actually fully 

535
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,520
play. 
Oh yeah, it was very sad. 

536
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,080
We'll find yourself. 
Right at the moment where I 

537
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,040
don't remember what I was going 
through, but I was going through

538
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,840
something, yeah, with my mom or 
somebody that it is all. 

539
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,000
Everything collapsed all at 
once. 

540
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,360
And on top of it, she cancelled.
It was meant to. 

541
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Happen. 
Oh, yeah. 

542
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,440
You know, I always think was 
like, well, maybe I always think

543
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,560
there's reasons for everything. 
So I never think like, I mean, 

544
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,240
yes, I hurt my feelings for the 
fact of, like, so close, you 

545
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
know? 
Like, yeah, he's already, you 

546
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,080
know, my boyfriend's already 
played with her. 

547
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,600
So I didn't know, like, OK, 
she's safe. 

548
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,080
So I was excited. 
Well, March 1st is right around 

549
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,720
the corner. 
You going to tear that shit up, 

550
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,080
girlfriend? 
Well, I'll be working. 

551
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,960
Yeah, you'll be working, but you
can network, you know, you can 

552
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,560
be like, hey. 
Yeah, I got to find out what if 

553
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,840
me and my boyfriend have the 
same type we haven't explored 

554
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,680
that I would want to share. 
You don't want to. 

555
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Share. 
I do want to share. 

556
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,360
That's the only thing I want to 
do. 

557
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,600
I don't want to be by myself. 
Yeah, I'm not into that. 

558
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840
OK, which is weird. 
I'm not into girls by myself 

559
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,160
but. 
Well, you're, you're a good 

560
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320
looking couple, so it shouldn't 
be an issue. 

561
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,600
But you know what he likes. 
You know, you're kind of you fit

562
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,360
the mold so. 
I mean. 

563
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,960
A shorter, curvier woman. 
That's what he likes. 

564
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,360
I like a little bit of like blew
it more extra meat. 

565
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Than he does. 
Probably I like, I like a little

566
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,960
bit of a not, not fat, but I 
like little chunky women, little

567
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,800
chunky women, cute little round 
faces. 

568
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,320
Yeah, sweet looking girls. 
Yeah, I get. 

569
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,800
It the big boobies. 
Yeah, you would like our hot 

570
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,560
Asian that comes to the parties.
Oh my goodness. 

571
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Yeah, she's adorable. 
I don't. 

572
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Know I'm in the Asians. 
I have to. 

573
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,600
See, you have to see. 
You never know. 

574
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,320
Yeah, I don't want to. 
I don't want to put it off me. 

575
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,160
Like, I don't like Asians 
because, you know, there's 

576
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,000
sometimes where you just like, 
wow, I'd do that. 

577
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,840
There's so many great people 
you're going to meet at these 

578
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,480
parties and I'm going to 
introduce you. 

579
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,080
You're going to fucking love it.
You're. 

580
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,160
Going to like maybe our 
listeners will be there too and 

581
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,280
then we get to meet them. 
Too well, if all of our 

582
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,040
listeners came, we would not be 
able to fill them in this house.

583
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,800
Ones that are in town, they. 
Would be parking 5 miles down 

584
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,360
the road because there's several
thousand that listen to the 

585
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,480
podcast. 
But on that note, Liv, it's been

586
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,080
always great talking to you and 
more adventures to come. 

587
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,480
So until then, this is the 
closing episode of. 

588
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,760
Call me Mistress Bye.
