1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 But what this relationship style does more than anything else is 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,600 it requires you to have complicated conversations, 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,160 right? And once you can tell your 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,920 partner, well, actually, I'd rather be sitting in the corner, 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,200 maybe you could tie me up. Have you ever thought about 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,280 using a gag? And how about if we take this 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,880 steel device and we put it on my penis so I can't get to it right 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,560 after you've said that to her, it's pretty easy to say I'm sad 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:42,860 because something bad happened. Hey everybody, I just wanted to 10 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:46,180 give you a quick notice. I am starting to offer a 11 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:49,820 one-on-one coaching session. It's called ask Crystal. 12 00:00:50,580 --> 00:00:54,980 It is coaching for individuals and couples as they explore 13 00:00:54,980 --> 00:00:58,100 ethical non monogamy, whatever your dynamic is. 14 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,440 I've been living in this dynamic for 10 years and I've learned a 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,680 ton. And I hope to share some of that 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,720 wisdom with you in the hopes that it will help you. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,560 So you'll get the details in the show notes and I hope to see you 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,720 there. Hello, happy people. 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,120 Crystal Welcher. I've got a very good friend of 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,680 mine that I'm going to be talking to today. 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,480 He is new under score hopeful on Twitter. 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,200 If you're there, I refuse to call it X because I really don't 23 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,120 like Elon Musk, but that's just a side note. 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,520 And he is one of the four gentlemen who started the Cuck 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,840 My Life podcast, which is excellent and I highly recommend 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,800 it. If you have the even the even a 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,040 cursory interest in the cuckold experience, please take some 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,640 time and listen to their episodes. 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,800 It's very, very worthwhile. We were just chatting briefly 30 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:56,680 and we thought guys and I am passionate about and there's not 31 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:01,240 very many of us in the content field and and it's a topic that 32 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,200 we kind of wanted to talk through because it can be 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,960 challenging. And that is in the world of 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:16,160 content creation. So much of what's out there is 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:22,000 all the salacious sex stuff, how sexy it is and how wanton it is 36 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,440 and how, you know, crazy sexy it is, which is all good stuff. 37 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:32,200 I mean we all like that stuff. However, those of us that are in 38 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,720 serious cuck dynamic relationships have one. 39 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,680 And I know it's been my goal since the very beginning and I 40 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,680 think it's the cuck my life. I'm going to let hopeful speak 41 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,640 to this more in depth, but we would like to bring more of the, 42 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:58,320 the benefits of the intimacy, the commitment, the 43 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:05,560 conversation, the personal growth, the all those things 44 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,040 that we've gotten out of it that it and this dynamic has, I know 45 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,800 for us, it has driven us much, much deeper into those elements. 46 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,400 And that's the stuff that I personally think is important. 47 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,920 And I think hopeful, Why don't you go ahead and say hi and 48 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,440 share a couple of your thoughts on that topic? 49 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,600 100% First, Crystal, let me just say thank you so much for having 50 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,920 me. It is an honor and a pleasure to 51 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:36,000 talk to you. We when we had you on at at at 52 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,240 the cock my life pod. It was one of our favorite 53 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,280 episodes and you're so you're such a wonderful voice for the 54 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,200 community. But I, I, I do, I want to, I 55 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,120 want to have this conversation with you because I think it's 56 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,120 very important to talk about the difference between the lifestyle 57 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,480 and the porn that we see, right? The pornography is not real. 58 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,600 Most of it now you and I just had this conversation about only 59 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,000 fans and how that's driving a lot of the content. 60 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,280 And God bless we're, we're, we're so happy that people are 61 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:18,160 willing to, to live this lifestyle out loud, but they 62 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,360 show you the parts that they're really happy to show you in an 63 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,920 edited form. Right. 64 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,120 Right, we live this lifestyle 24/7. 65 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,680 There's no edit button in real life. 66 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,680 Right. Like I say stupid shit. 67 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,720 I can't be just like, hey Aussie, can you take that out 68 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,720 for me Because I don't want my wife to hear that. 69 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,280 No, she's standing right there. She's standing right there. 70 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,720 Boy, that's a, That is a deep truth right there when you are 71 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,840 when you are in it at the lifestyle level. 72 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:57,960 And this is no slam on people who enjoy porn, but there's so 73 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,720 much more to it. There's so much more to it. 74 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,480 It has LED us to an intimacy that we never thought possible 75 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,880 that we never ever thought that we would reach in this lifetime. 76 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,560 And and we just continue to dig it deeper and deeper and deeper. 77 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,240 Now we like the salacious stuff just as much as the next person, 78 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,560 but it's so not the most important thing for us. 79 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:30,760 It has become one of our greatest avenues to personal 80 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,640 growth. That's that's the best I can put 81 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,880 it because it. I agree with you 100% it it. 82 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,240 Contains it contains it's a. Journey of growth. 83 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,800 It's a journey, yeah. We all, we all evolved. 84 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,120 I don't know and I I know a lot of people in this lifestyle, a 85 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,120 whole bunch of them. I have a some of my, my, my, my 86 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,240 best friends in the world are in this lifestyle, right. 87 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,760 Poor boy butterfly's husband, Aussie hubs to hot wife. 88 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,160 They are my favorite people on this planet outside of my wife. 89 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,200 And we were having a conversation just the other day 90 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:13,120 about the fact that we are incredibly lucky that we can be 91 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:17,480 so intimate with each other. That we have the ability to have 92 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,680 deep conversations not just about who we are and what we 93 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:28,160 want, but about our lives and about how we how we respond to 94 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,880 the to the stressors in our lives, including the people that 95 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,440 we're married to. I don't know a lot of men who 96 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,880 have those kinds of connections. You know, that is an incredibly 97 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,040 important point because I mean, if you read any psychologist 98 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,040 study, they will say that typically, and this is a 99 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,800 generalization, but typically women tend to form much closer 100 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,360 bounds with each other than men do. 101 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,480 And men as they get older are a much lonelier group. 102 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,600 They're a much more disconnected group. 103 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,280 And yet you find a community of like minded people like this 104 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:10,960 because you've done the work with your spouse to be intimate 105 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800 with yourself first of all, so you can be intimate with her. 106 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:20,400 Then this, this connection and this commonality that you can 107 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,200 have with other men is, is unbounded. 108 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,320 It's unbounded. It it does, it creates some of 109 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,720 the closest relationships imaginable. 110 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,920 And what a gift is that? It's amazing. 111 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,320 And I, you know, when I, when I first approached Tatiana, my 112 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,800 partner, about cuckolding and about this lifestyle in general, 113 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,560 she never really heard it. It was not something that she 114 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,960 was aware of. And it was really hard to have 115 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,200 that conversation, that initial conversation. 116 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,920 There was nothing easy about it. And it wasn't easy for her 117 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,920 either. She had to process it a little 118 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,160 bit. She had to think about it. 119 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,920 We, the conversation took days or weeks. 120 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:06,680 It was not a short conversation. But as we went down that road 121 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,880 and started talking about why? Well, what does that mean? 122 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:16,680 I had to drop all pretense of what I of of exactly what I 123 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,720 pretend to be versus exactly who I am. 124 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,240 And I have revealed more about my inner self and who I am and 125 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:33,159 what I want to Tatiana and also to these men in my group that I 126 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:37,360 have ever been able to give to anybody else in my life ever. 127 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,159 And I've had close relationships. 128 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,760 I have very dear friends from my vanilla life. 129 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,560 I'm just not able to share with them like I'm able to share with 130 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:53,400 these people on this side, on this particular pie piece, this 131 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,280 compartment right of my life. And that's the intimacy that I 132 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:04,680 was was talking Speaking of because it starts with this 133 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,480 willingness to risk and be vulnerable. 134 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,680 It, it starts with a willingness to deal with any shame or any 135 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:17,600 embarrassment that you have in order to reveal yourself on 136 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,560 those deep levels to a partner. But my gosh, what a bond that 137 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,200 creates. And then if you can take that 138 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,040 experience, knowing that there's benefit that comes from that, 139 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,560 and you can transfer that to a group of men who are also 140 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,920 experiencing that, that is a golden, golden, golden ticket. 141 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,640 That is a golden ticket because that there's very few men that 142 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,400 ever experienced that anywhere in their lives. 143 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,040 We're very fortunate. We check in on each other, we 144 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,760 ask each other how, how we're doing. 145 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,440 We text each other to that just that we love each other, right? 146 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,760 I, I, I found my tribe in this lifestyle and it's, it's really, 147 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,840 it's a wonderful feeling. It's a feeling of being complete 148 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,640 that I've never really experienced before. 149 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,360 No. And so, you know, I think that's 150 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,240 what leaves us with a feeling of that, that that you just 151 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,240 described, that feeling of being complete. 152 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,280 That's really, I think it's as close as we come to being a 153 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:27,040 whole person where there's no pretense, there's no all of 154 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,720 your, all of your shadows have been dropped down, you know, and 155 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:38,400 you stand there as a complete person before the world that 156 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,240 that's an that's a gift of enormous, enormous importance 157 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,080 and. In both ways. 158 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,320 In both ways. And so a few people have 159 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,480 experienced that, I think genuinely. 160 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,120 And we didn't even know we that's, that's yeah, that's what 161 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,560 I was talking about. Like we, my husband and I never 162 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,880 imagined that level of intimacy cause we've never experienced it 163 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,000 before. And I, you know, like many 164 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,440 women, I've had very, very close relationships with women friends 165 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,680 of mine. But I'm even noticing, excuse 166 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:15,800 me, I'm even noticing that now that my women friends that I've 167 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,160 met in the lifestyle, it's a whole nother level of intimate. 168 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,240 And, you know, I think it's, those are the things in the 169 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,600 world and we live in this world that's full of turmoil that 170 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,080 leaves us feeling connected, like we're not alone here. 171 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:35,080 We're not alone here trying to figure out everything by 172 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,280 ourselves. You know, we, we have a tribe. 173 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:43,160 We have, we have trusted comrades who will, you know, 174 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,640 call us up short if we're stepping out of line. 175 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,480 And and that we can be really, really real with I. 176 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,800 I just can't, I can't even express how valuable that is to 177 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,200 us. Then prop us up when we're 178 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,640 struggling, right? So our little group, it's, it's 179 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,000 when, when we invite people into them, we don't invite people 180 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,240 into it every day, but we invite people into it every once in a 181 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,240 while. What I try to explain to them is 182 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,320 that you're about to be introduced to 40 guys who will 183 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:17,560 absolutely, positively care about your happiness, that 184 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,520 you're getting what you need and what you want. 185 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,240 And they will genuinely ask about right? 186 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:29,560 We are now none of us have met on the on the part. 187 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,520 We've never been in each other's physical presence. 188 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,840 We are still deep, overwhelming friends. 189 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,160 We have developed this incredible intimacy among us. 190 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,600 And it's it is a it's joyful. It's joyful to have people that 191 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,280 you can go to and say literally anything. 192 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,120 There's joy in that. And I don't think a lot of men 193 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,000 have the ability to reach out to other men and be like, oh, you 194 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,720 can't believe what I did last night. 195 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,200 Yeah, no, that is absolutely true. 196 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,960 And now I have an overwhelming urge to introduce Bichard to you 197 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,560 guys and make sure he gets in your group 'cause I think he 198 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,240 would benefit from it a huge amount. 199 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,760 All he needs is a Twitter hand. All he needs is a Twitter hand 200 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,320 and we'd love to have. Yeah, he, yeah, he doesn't do 201 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,320 much social media, but it, it would, I, I just know it would 202 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,040 benefit him so, so, so many ways. 203 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,680 And so I, I will do that. I will follow up on that. 204 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:32,640 Well, so obviously your group is growing day by day. 205 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,840 And, and I have a sense, I mean, there's nobody that's taken hard 206 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,880 evidence about this, but I have a sense that the general 207 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,640 public's interest in this particular dynamic is 208 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,440 continuously growing. According to according to all of 209 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,280 Pornhub's research, people are very interested. 210 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,120 And we have a mutual friend, Doctor Leigh. 211 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:59,920 I think he's, he says frequently that more than 60% of men have 212 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:04,080 at least fantasized about it. Yeah, yeah, I'm a huge fan of 213 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Doctor Leigh. He's he was the original cock 214 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,920 expert. Of the world. 215 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,360 He's a nice, nice man. Yeah, he is. 216 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:16,080 He's a gem of a guy. So my question for you, because 217 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:23,280 this is the same battle that I'm waging, is of all of those what 218 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:31,200 have to be millions of people, how do we get their attention to 219 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:36,200 pay attention to all these other deep profound intimate benefits 220 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:42,720 outside of or in addition to the salacious sex stuff? 221 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,880 How how do we get that attention? 222 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,440 How do we? That's a great question. 223 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,840 And I, I think most of the people, I think there are, 224 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,160 there's a significant number of people in this country who are 225 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,720 incapable of being part of this lifestyle simply because of 226 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,400 their religious indoctrination. Yes, right. 227 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,280 We, we talk all the time in our group about the, the guys who 228 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,320 have overcome that indoctrination that that sex is 229 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,080 bad. You should feel guilty when you 230 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,480 have an erection or if you masturbate, you're going to 231 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,160 hell. Those people have a hard time 232 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,440 overcoming that frequently, right? 233 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,880 And so that we're never going to get to everybody. 234 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,880 But I think the, the, the, the, the right way to approach 235 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,920 getting people to at least understand who we are and what 236 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:40,760 we do right, is to continue to have thoughtful conversations 237 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,880 about it that appeal to more than just you. 238 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,560 And I were talking earlier and I think we referred to them as the 239 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,880 porn cocks. Right, that group. 240 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Men were like, they're they're, they love the idea until they 241 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,320 finish masturbating. Then like, oh, that was gross. 242 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,960 I can't imagine. That I could never actually do 243 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,000 that. I just wanna masturbate to it. 244 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,720 Yeah. No. 245 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,280 That that is the battle. That is the battle to be waged. 246 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,440 I mean, it was it was those exact ideas that started me 247 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,360 writing and podcasting to begin with. 248 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,120 Because I said, wait, there's, there's this whole other world 249 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,720 out here that most of most people who talk about it are not 250 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,920 remotely aware of. And, and so, well, I'm, I'm 251 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,960 thrilled that you guys are another, your, your brother 252 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,000 voices in the field. And I appreciate that so much 253 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:39,040 because we're only a very few and and frequently that message 254 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,360 just gets drowned out by the porn, by the porn cucks as we 255 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,440 have so affectionately labeled them and I'm. 256 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,960 There's nothing wrong with that. No. 257 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,920 There's nothing wrong with that. Like it is perfectly acceptable. 258 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,000 This is, and there's no way around it. 259 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 This is a sexual lifestyle, right? 260 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,560 This is a sexual lifestyle and that that is, it is it is 261 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,120 absolutely part of it. There's no question about it, 262 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,760 but it's not all of it. It's not all of it. 263 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,920 I think that's what we're trying to get to. 264 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,160 It's not. All and I think the. 265 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,800 Sex is part of it. Yeah, sure. 266 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,599 Of course, of course. And I think this, you know, 267 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,720 aside from the deep intimacy in the relationship itself with 268 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,480 your partner, this thing that you touched on with the 269 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:27,560 camaraderie and the community of fellow real cucks who live this 270 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:34,040 way and have learned to drop their masks and deal with shame 271 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,480 and all of that stuff that allows people to be vulnerable 272 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,600 and intimate. That is such a huge deal. 273 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,400 And I think a lot of there, there's many men who might hear 274 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,640 that and say, oh man, I don't want to do that. 275 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,640 I can maybe do this over here, but I don't want to do that. 276 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:56,240 I don't drop all my masks and all of my pretense. 277 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,920 Oh, I don't know if I want to do that. 278 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,920 And I'm just, it is hard. It of course it's hard. 279 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,520 And I'm just, I just want to reiterate that it's just worth 280 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,360 it. It's hard and it's worth it 281 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,440 because it allows you to be more deeply connected to yourself, 282 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,440 your partner, and this whole community of other people who 283 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,680 share that lifestyle. It's just worth it. 284 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:30,680 Vulnerability is, I think, the key to any good relationship, 285 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,760 right? The in order to have a close 286 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,120 personal relationship, you have to tell you have to be 287 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,480 vulnerable to the person you want to have that relationship 288 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,840 with, no matter who it is, right, On some level. 289 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,200 And every relationship is different. 290 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,680 But what this relationship style does more than anything else is 291 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,240 it requires you to have complicated conversations, 292 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,760 right? And once you can tell your 293 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,560 partner, well, actually, I'd rather be sitting in the corner, 294 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,800 maybe you could tie me up. Have you ever thought about 295 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,920 using a gag? And how about if we take this 296 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,960 steel device and we put it on my penis so I can't get to it, 297 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,000 right? After you've said that to her, 298 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,920 it's pretty easy to say I'm sad because something bad at right, 299 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,800 right, right. Right there. 300 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:29,920 You create this ability to have deep, thoughtful conversations 301 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:37,800 about a specific topic, right? But that topic is so complicated 302 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,840 and so difficult that every other conversation becomes 303 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,440 easier, right Every. Other one, every other one. 304 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,400 And the interesting thing is that, you know, it's like any 305 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,680 other muscle that you start to exercise. 306 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960 The more you do it, the easier it becomes. 307 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,320 So it feels impossibly difficult in the beginning. 308 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:03,560 And yet the more you actually do it and realize that nobody 309 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:08,480 walked away, nobody shamed you, nobody, you know, laughed at 310 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,560 you. You know, it becomes that much 311 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,480 easier to do it the next time on the next topic and the next one 312 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,360 and the next one and then pretty soon. 313 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:20,600 It might never be easy. It might never be easy. 314 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,080 Yeah, may not. But it's it it you when you want 315 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,480 to have these conversations, if you're open to having these 316 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:33,800 conversations, you have to be 100% honest with yourself first. 317 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,520 Right A. 100% honest with yourself first. 318 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,800 I recommend to anybody who who asks me how do you get into 319 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,880 being this? The first thing I ask guys is 320 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,200 Are you sure you want to do it? Are you sure you want to do it? 321 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,520 Are you sure that this is what you want? 322 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,440 Because this is not an easy lifestyle. 323 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,960 It's not easy, and a lot of those guys will answer. 324 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,920 I don't know if I really want it. 325 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,640 They might have a little curiosity. 326 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,160 They might, and it's same for the women. 327 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,560 I, I sounds kind of interesting, but I don't know. 328 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:14,520 And the simple advice I've given a few people is experiment, try. 329 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Take a small, take a baby step, try something, try something and 330 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:21,520 then talk about it. See how it plays. 331 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,160 You like it, you didn't like it it We might want to do more of 332 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,560 that. We might want to do less of 333 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:33,120 that, but start somewhere and just try rather than rolling it 334 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,160 around in your head indefinitely where you'll never take an 335 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,040 action on anything and then you'll never really know how to 336 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,360 find out what you really want. You you have to try something 337 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,040 and and then and then really talk about it. 338 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,400 How did it play for everybody? And it's not it. 339 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,640 It's not a terrible place to start Crystal, to offer to 340 00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:01,360 provide your partner with no reciprocation oral sex, right? 341 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:08,280 Show your partner that you want to please her first, no matter 342 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,080 what, without, without it being quid pro quo or I'm going to do 343 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,760 this and then you're going to do that, right? 344 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,440 It is it is one of those things that if you really want to be 345 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480 part of this lifestyle, you can offer that to your wife. 346 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,360 That's not a bad place to start. And that's not even a really 347 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:29,840 hard thing to ask for. It isn't, it isn't because then 348 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,960 coming up that line as you continue on that path, I mean, 349 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,640 that's just an unselfish loving thing to do because she enjoys 350 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,480 it. Simple, simple. 351 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:43,560 Then you get to the next question, like, you know, does 352 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:48,280 she have any interest or want to take another lover? 353 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,760 You know, then you have to try that on in whatever small ways 354 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,720 that you step toward that. And there's no other way to do 355 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,040 it other than to have a sincere conversation about what you 356 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,880 want. Yeah, a real conversation, like 357 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:06,400 it's kind of intriguing, but I'm not sure. 358 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,760 Well, it's normal to not really be sure because that's kind of 359 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,120 how all of life works, but just take a step in some direction 360 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,080 and then be willing to talk about it. 361 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,280 I think that's the way through. I think that's the way through, 362 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,480 yeah. Because all along the way, 363 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,520 you'll be developing new communication techniques, you'll 364 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,000 possibly be touching on topics that you've never talked about 365 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,480 before, and all of that stuff opens. 366 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,320 They open little doors, they open little doors, and then 367 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,920 pretty soon you'll be able to open a bigger door. 368 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,960 Yeah, no question. And our mutual friend, Hubs hot 369 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:47,400 wife, he tried to talk his partner into this for years, for 370 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,280 years. She he didn't, he didn't pester, 371 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,600 he didn't beat her up over it, but he he asked her periodically 372 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,800 and she was always like, you know, I'm just not interested. 373 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,120 And it wasn't until he went to her and he was able to say, 374 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:06,560 listen, I would really like you to try this for me because it 375 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:12,040 would turn me on and I'd like you to at least try it. 376 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,680 And she was like, all right, fine, as long as you'll shut up 377 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,880 if I try. And I don't like it. 378 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,040 And I'm just, I don't want to. I don't want to. 379 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,720 I don't want to keep everybody in suspense. 380 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,200 It turns out she really, really liked it. 381 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,000 It. But it was it was providing her 382 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,320 with the right words, making her understand what what it was that 383 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:40,160 he wanted that made it all possible for them. 384 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,680 And now they're living an amazing life. 385 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,920 Well, and that, you know, and that's you have to find your own 386 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,800 technique for some women, I think they don't want to 387 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,360 necessarily do it for you. They've got to find their own 388 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,280 reason, some kind of a way. And and so, you know, one of the 389 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,720 things that I've shared with other women who were hesitant 390 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,800 about considering is that I mean, think about this like, how 391 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,600 did you date in college or when you were at a younger stage of 392 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,000 life? This is like having a loving, 393 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:21,400 secure partner in your home and then still being able to sample 394 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,920 the smorgasbord of other delicious men out there at your 395 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,960 will. I mean, it's as close to the 396 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,880 cake and eat it too syndrome that you're ever gonna have. 397 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,320 It's that's a conversation will make make difference to another 398 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,560 woman. Maybe it's the self sacrifice of 399 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,000 pleasing the husband for one another one. 400 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,480 It might be the cake and eat it too. 401 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 But either way, you've got to find you. 402 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,120 You've got to find your keys to talking to your partner very 403 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,080 deeply like that. And everybody does this 404 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,640 differently. And there's. 405 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,280 No. One right way, yeah. 406 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,120 And there's no wrong way to do it, as long as you're both 407 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,200 happy. As long as you're both happy and 408 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760 you're not so in misery with the people that you bring into your 409 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,760 relationship, then however you do it, people like am IA cock in 410 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,760 my steak? Well who gives a shit? 411 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,040 What do you think? Who cares? 412 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,200 What do you think you are, you know. 413 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,280 Don't ask me what you are, tell me what you are. 414 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,920 That is another element. I mean, we could probably talk 415 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,920 for about 6 hours here, but we won't, we won't. 416 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,400 We won't do that today, but that whole element I've, I've had 417 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,920 this conversation with several people lately that I want to 418 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,720 drop all of the descriptive terms. 419 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:40,320 It it's just that saying we are, you know, we our dynamic is A1 420 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,680 sided. Ethical. 421 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,360 Non monogamous. Yeah, ethical. 422 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:50,680 No, it's just a mouthful. And so recently, and because our 423 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,320 situation is changing a little bit recently, what we've come up 424 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,000 with is we don't tell people unless they ask. 425 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,720 If we ask, we we tell the truth. Recently we've just gone to, 426 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,560 we're polyamorous. We're polyamorous. 427 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,040 It's it's less wordy than a consensual non monogamy 1 sided 428 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,000 thing. It's closer to what it's closer 429 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,240 to what we actually want to live anyway. 430 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,200 And so, but it's some sometimes the terms are a huge mountain to 431 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,400 get over. And I'm just saying if you're 432 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,120 hung up on the term, don't get hung up on that term. 433 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:30,280 It's not a mountain you have to wrestle with. 434 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,920 If if cock brings all sorts of shame and all sorts of judgement 435 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,560 and all sorts of whatever it is that you perceive that it 436 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,240 inspires and other people, then drop it. 437 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,760 Find another way to describe that you have an alternative 438 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,000 arrangement with your partner. You can be anything you want. 439 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,880 You can be anything you want, but I know a lot of people get 440 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,520 hung up on the term and the term has been burdened with shame and 441 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,960 all sorts of things throughout history, not just recently, but 442 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,840 throughout history. So if that if the term itself is 443 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,120 in the way, drop it. Find another way to describe 444 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,280 what your interests are and be good with it. 445 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,640 Be good with it. It'll make it. 446 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,400 Anything you can do to make it easier for yourself and your 447 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,400 partner and not have to battle uphill against everybody else's 448 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,840 judgement, the better it'll be for you and the more you can get 449 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,280 down to the to to the depths of what you want to get down to. 450 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,600 Well, just like what you're doing, our show is all about, 451 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,680 and I, I mean, and it's all about how to normalize this 452 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:43,200 lifestyle for everyone for, and I don't mean that everybody 453 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,160 should be in this lifestyle. Not everybody should. 454 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680 Not all women can do it. Not all men can do it. 455 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,840 There, it's a, it's a subset. There's no question about it. 456 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,200 But everybody that's interested or curious, even if you're 457 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,920 curious, there's a way to normalize this in a way that you 458 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,600 don't have to bring all the shame and all of the guilt and 459 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080 all of the that stuff in the door with you. 460 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,000 It's a way to understand how you can be with your partner and in 461 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,280 the world without the burden of all of the rest of it. 462 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,640 That that that comes with Porn World. 463 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,280 And as I was saying, one of the one of the goals of our show is 464 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,240 not just to normalize it for cucks and for cuckold dresses 465 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,200 and for stags and vixens. It's to bring some normalcy to 466 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,600 it for the average person out there who doesn't think about it 467 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,400 very often. Maybe if they hear our show, 468 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680 because we, we like to think that we're a little thoughtful 469 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,280 about how we approach this. They're like, oh, well, there's 470 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,520 nothing really wrong with that. I don't want to do it, but 471 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,920 there's nothing wrong with it. That sounds like they're having 472 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,840 a great time, right, Right. We're trying to demystify and 473 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,360 open up conversations for people that are different than, hey, do 474 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000 you want to get your end wet? Or hey, if you listen to this, 475 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,200 maybe you'll get an erection. Right, right. 476 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600 Well, I applaud you guys. I'm I'm so grateful that you're 477 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,600 here. We needed just some good strong 478 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,520 cut voices on that side of the fence and I'm really very, very 479 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,080 grateful for everything that you guys have done and we're. 480 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,880 We're having a wonderful time doing it, we really are. 481 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,680 Yeah. And and that's, you know, that's 482 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,040 good that, you know that joy spreads, it spreads around. 483 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,160 We are all really good friends and I, if you listen to our show 484 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480 and, and hopefully, hopefully this will get more people will 485 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520 listen to our show. But if you listen to our show, 486 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,360 what you're gonna hear is people who are since who sincerely care 487 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,120 about each other, having conversations that they're 488 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,760 interested in. And it's. 489 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,720 Yeah, no, that's right. And. 490 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,520 Like the episode we just dropped last week and, and this was 491 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,720 episode 14. It was an impromptu episode. 492 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,240 Aussie had a story he wanted to tell and we all got together and 493 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240 I thought, well, we're going to talk for about 10 minutes on 494 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,320 this one. It's kind of short. 495 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:04,400 It was over an hour and we just we went on and on about and we 496 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,680 were laughing and having a wonderful time. 497 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,240 This lifestyle leads to conversations and, and 498 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,240 relationships that you can't even begin to imagine when 499 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,560 you're when you're sitting there across from your wife trying to 500 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040 think, right? How do I explain to her that I 501 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,880 wanted to fuck somebody else? That's, that's just the 502 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,320 beginning. If you can get through that 503 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,280 conversation, trust me, the people in this lifestyle are, 504 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,600 for the most part, absolutely amazed. 505 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,200 Yeah, that's right. That is, that's also our 506 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,920 experience. We have found the most 507 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040 absolutely remarkable people in this lifestyle, people that are, 508 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600 you know, we would just meet them one time. 509 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,920 We met a group of people at a a lifestyle event a couple years 510 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400 ago. And I'll just say, you know, 511 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,320 these are people that are ride or die friends forever. 512 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,120 You know, that camaraderie, it's you just don't pick that up 513 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,720 everywhere. You know, and as you get older 514 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,560 and you start seeing your friends drop away, just just 515 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:11,320 that alone is worth at least trying it on mentally and seeing 516 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,160 if there's a way to be more intimate with yourself, more 517 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960 intimate with your partner, more intimate with your friends. 518 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,600 And this may or may not be your path. 519 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,840 Yeah, but it's a good one. But it's a good one. 520 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,240 Yeah, 100%. And at the very least, if 521 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760 you're, if you're interested in it and you start the 522 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,040 conversation about it, you're going to learn more about who 523 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,040 you are as a human being, whether you whether it leads to 524 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,000 Caguldingo, whether it leads to being a stag vixen, or whether 525 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,320 it leads you just to being vanilla. 526 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,960 Be like, all right, we thought about that. 527 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680 It doesn't really work. Whatever, you're having deeper 528 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,880 conversations. That's right. 529 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,200 And I think too, just the the fostering of curiosity. 530 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,520 I think sometimes people get locked into their little 531 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,160 mindsets and their little worlds and they cease being curious. 532 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Be curious. Just be curious. 533 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,880 You may, it may not be for you, but if you're just curious, you 534 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,440 might learn some things. You might learn one or two new 535 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,040 ways to talk to your spouse about something. 536 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,760 And you may never try this ever at all. 537 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,880 But but be curious. Curiosity is key, right? 538 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,480 We say it all the time in our little group. 539 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,400 We stole it from Ted Lassen. We stole it from all women. 540 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,840 Yes, be curious. Be curious, not judgmental. 541 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,960 Yes, Right. Instead of saying that's exactly 542 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,920 it. Why the fuck would you do that? 543 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,840 Saying oh that's interesting, why would you do that? 544 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,200 Tell me why you would do it. Yeah, yeah. 545 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,240 Let me learn more about that. I mean, Ted Lasso, my hero. 546 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,320 I think that we need to Ted. We need to Ted Lasso the world. 547 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,240 I am so, so happy to have talked to you. 548 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,840 Hopefully. I think we could literally sit 549 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360 here and talk for five more hours, but we'll break it up in 550 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,200 a few more sessions. And we're gonna have to. 551 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,400 We're gonna have to get with that Rascal Aussie and and spank 552 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,960 him roundly for, you know, missing our session today. 553 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,120 But I tried yesterday and today to be like when are we actually 554 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,679 meeting? Yeah, well, yeah, he's a busy 555 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,360 guy and just coincidentally lives on the other side of the 556 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,560 planet. So, you know, there is that 557 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,840 little logistical thing, time change thing, but. 558 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,400 I'm not, I'm not going to beef with Aussie because he does all 559 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000 the editing. So Aussie, if you're listening, 560 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,520 I still love you baby. That's right, we're we're only 561 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,960 very mildly chastising you and we appreciate everything that 562 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,440 you do and we'll look forward to picking this up and 'cause I 563 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,639 would like to get Aussie's take on all this too. 564 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,239 He's. A wise He's a wise, wise man 565 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,199 you. Know I get to talk to him very 566 00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,840 often and he is I, I one of my closest friends in the world and 567 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,199 every once in a while I'll just sit back and I again being a 568 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,280 narcissist, I go back and listen to the old episodes of our show 569 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960 try to figure out how to how to do it better. 570 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,840 What's missing what. But every time I hear him talk 571 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,320 like God, this guy's smart. Yeah, he is. 572 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,920 He's just, he's talent. He's talented in so many ways. 573 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,560 And he knows who he is. He he knows who he is as a human 574 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,480 being. And that's no small thing. 575 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,280 And he's just, he's very, very genuine as a human. 576 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,320 And I would say, you know, just from my own, you know, sort of 577 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,120 cursory exposure to all of you guys, that that's something that 578 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120 you the my life guys all have in common. 579 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,280 I think you all share that quality, which is which makes 580 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:43,120 your your show so valuable because it's not easy in today's 581 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,120 world to find a group of men that are so self aware and so 582 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,240 thoughtful about how they're showing up in the world, how 583 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,000 they treat their wives, how they interact with each other. 584 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,040 I mean, you guys are an incredibly great example for the 585 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,800 world and I appreciate the heck out of you. 586 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,560 That's very kind of you to say. So that's it for us today. 587 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,760 Thank you again. Hopeful we will get, we will 588 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:10,560 schedule another time and and wrangle Aussie and get him in 589 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,360 here and pick his brain a little bit 'cause we just got a lot to 590 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,400 talk about. I mean, that's just, we just do. 591 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Amen, Sister. Amen. 592 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,880 And. I'll put your contact 593 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,040 information too and your podcast in the show notes so you guys 594 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600 can go find the Cock My Life podcast. 595 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000 It's very, very worthwhile and be curious. 596 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,200 Not what you. Can say just be curious. 597 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,480 Be curious not. Judgmental. 598 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,840 That's it all. That's it. 599 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,080 All day. Ted. 600 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,320 Lassowitz, Crystal. Thank you for this opportunity. 601 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,720 And I just want to tell you again how much I really 602 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,520 appreciate your voice and the lifestyle. 603 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,400 And we are so grateful that you, you you visited with us and that 604 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,680 you're asking us to visit with you. 605 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,240 It's really been a positive experience and thanks for 606 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:52,920 talking. To me, yeah, it's very, very 607 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,360 mutual. Thank you so much and and we 608 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,160 will talk again.