1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,400 We have some of our most fun at restaurants where I'll sit on 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 the same table with my lover and, and bitch, it'll be across 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,240 the table and I'll order drinks for us and make it obvious like 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,040 I'll have this, my boyfriend will have this and my husband 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,280 over there will have that. And then just wait, you know, 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,000 it's just, most servers are very gracious and they, they just 7 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,440 distinctly try not to react in the moment. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,000 But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,800 servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,720 God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us. 11 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,120 It's it's what makes this so much fun. 12 00:00:47,980 --> 00:00:50,900 Hey everybody, I just wanted to give you a quick notice. 13 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:54,580 I am starting to offer a one-on-one coaching session. 14 00:00:54,580 --> 00:00:59,520 It's called Ask Crystal, it is coaching for individuals and 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,960 couples as they explore ethical non monogamy. 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,720 Whatever your dynamic is, I've been living in this dynamic for 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,240 10 years and I've learned a ton. And I hope to share some of that 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,320 wisdom with you in the hopes that it will help you. 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,120 So you'll get the details in the show notes and I hope to see you 20 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,200 there. Hello everybody, Crystal Welch 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,880 here and I am very excited to announce this is our maiden 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,240 voyage with my Co host and cuckoldrus. 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,960 She's a friend that I've known for a while and she's just as so 24 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:35,280 much fun to talk to. We decided to do this together. 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,920 So in this session, we're going to be just discussing a topic 26 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:46,840 that's very prominent with most cuck couples and that is how to 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,680 find a quality bull or lover or whatever it is that you refer to 28 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,320 them as. I don't know a single cut couple 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,280 that doesn't struggle with this issue. 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,880 I hope that it's informative and helpful for couples as well as 31 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,840 bulls that might be listening. Welcome, Anne. 32 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,080 Thank you, Crystal, it's fun to be here again, so really looking 33 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:18,040 forward to this conversation. I sort of formulated four key 34 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,840 ideas that I think get in the way or make it difficult to find 35 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,240 quality bulls. So the first one that I landed 36 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:33,240 on is I would challenge men that want to relate to cuckold 37 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,000 couples specifically. We're different than swingers. 38 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,760 And if you're not sure what that is, then that would be a good 39 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,680 place to start. But my first suggestion would be 40 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,640 is to check your assumptions. Don't assume you know what we 41 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:53,400 want. Don't assume that we are just 42 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,560 like other couples that you've been with. 43 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:01,240 Check your assumptions. Because literally every single 44 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,800 couple that I know, they have their own specific wants and 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,000 needs and the types of people and the types of relating that 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,960 they work best with. And so your first and primary 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,160 job is to find out what that is. Because first of all, it may not 48 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:24,240 comport with what you want. Just don't make any assumptions 49 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,920 when you're meeting a new and I'm speaking about cuckold 50 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,840 couples specifically. When you're meeting a new cuck 51 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,720 couple, please don't bring any assumptions to the table. 52 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,960 It's your job to ask quality questions and find out who they 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,080 are, what they want, how they like to interact. 54 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Are they just like kind of the one and done situation they or 55 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,440 they want something more of a quality friendship where you can 56 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,160 socialize together and maybe create something longer term? 57 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,800 You know, there's no right answer to that, but it is your 58 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:06,720 job to find out if what you are available for comports with what 59 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,720 they want. And I think this gets missed way 60 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,360 too often. And what do you think? 61 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:17,079 I mean, I tend to agree, but sometimes when and I'm, you 62 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:23,280 know, looking for that person to add to our dynamic, when I start 63 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,560 immediately with labels, say I'm looking for a bowl and this is 64 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,800 what I want. It tends to not always work that 65 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,760 way because there are men who just want a relationship with a 66 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,800 couple and they don't understand it enough. 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:44,080 So sometimes I think it works too initially just so you can 68 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,720 have that meeting and see if there's a chemistry and then 69 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,640 gradually bring them into cuckolding. 70 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:54,840 Sometimes I find that if there's too many parameters and this is 71 00:04:54,840 --> 00:05:01,200 just for me, it may backfire and maybe scare them off or maybe 72 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,440 they won't want to try because they don't want to take the time 73 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,480 to learn. So I think there's a lot out 74 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,280 there that they don't know. And so sometimes I think some 75 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:16,320 gentleman, they see the term cuckolding and they're like, 76 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,520 they may just move on because they aren't used to it. 77 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,480 So that's one of the things I have found. 78 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,200 Some men don't want to be labeled as a bull. 79 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,520 Like they find that. They find that derogatory 80 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,120 though. They're dominant and they're 81 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,480 very good and bad and they have all that bravado. 82 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,640 But there's something about the term bull that doesn't sit with 83 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,760 them well. I think though, both of those 84 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:48,040 points are really well taken and I too am averse to labels. 85 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,760 But so I would ask you this, how then if you're meeting someone 86 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,960 for the first time and you guys know what you want, how do you 87 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,720 describe what your relationship is and what you're looking for? 88 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,080 Often times I describe it as best I can on the phone because 89 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,960 when I meet men, I have a process. 90 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,640 I don't just, you know, meet for a drink and think something's 91 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,640 going to happen. You don't have insist on a 92 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,400 conversation on the phone and then meet for coffee. 93 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,320 And yeah, it may take time, but you get to know somebody that 94 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,160 way and you get to know if they're willing to take the time 95 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,960 to get to know you. And often times I'll share my 96 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,000 blog with them and ask them to read like the last few entries 97 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,040 are probably more relevant to where we are today. 98 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:38,280 But I want them to understand that because sometimes you can 99 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:42,000 only explain so much. Sometimes though, I also feel I 100 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,960 give him way too much information at first and then it 101 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,240 scares him away, you know? So I think it just depends on 102 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,160 the person. And if I can't have a 103 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,600 conversation with them, it's probably not going to go 104 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,600 anywhere. Right. 105 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,600 But one example to your point, just the other week, somebody 106 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,280 that we had talked to like two years ago reaches out out of the 107 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,760 blue and we never did get together with schedules and 108 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 whatnot. And he's like, he reached out 109 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,200 and he said, you know, we really have unfinished business. 110 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,560 And I'm like, So what do you have in mind? 111 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,800 And he said, well, I want a cuckold session where he's caged 112 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,600 up and taking pics of me pleasuring you. 113 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,680 And I had to correct him. I'm like, wait, wait a minute. 114 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Like, you know, he's setting the scene without asking any 115 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,280 questions. He's just assuming that he's 116 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,680 just. That's the problem is sometimes 117 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,760 you say something and they want to set the scene. 118 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,840 Yeah, So that's how it goes in real life. 119 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,440 And so when I say check your assumptions, I mean even your 120 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,760 assumptions about what you think a cuckold couple is, even if 121 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,880 they don't use cuckold couple. But I do expect any lover that 122 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,120 I'm going to actually engage with I, I do expect them to be 123 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:02,160 curious about that and ask some questions because what we do and 124 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,240 what we like and how we like to interact may not be at all what 125 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,160 you're looking for. For instance, in our, in our 126 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,160 case, I agree with Anne completely. 127 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,320 If I can't openly talk to you and share good conversation and 128 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,280 some laughs, you know, I'm much more interested in how you tick 129 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,360 and how I feel when I'm with you. 130 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,480 And if I can't get a read on that because you're closed or 131 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,200 you're, you're not curious about anything, I can't tell you how 132 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:34,360 many people I've met that didn't have a shred of curiosity. 133 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,120 They just had it seemed to me like they just had an agenda 134 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,919 that they were going to get a piece of butt and you know, call 135 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:46,280 it good and it doesn't lead to a good experience. 136 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,040 So I have to I have to talk to them And you know, it's 137 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,160 basically it gets down to how do I feel when I'm with you? 138 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,160 How do I feel when I'm talking to you? 139 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:01,000 If if there's not some electricity, some humor, some 140 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,160 intelligence, it's off the table for me. 141 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,680 And it's up to you know, that's a two way St. 142 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:10,440 We both have to add to that. But when you when you come to 143 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,360 this table over here with no curiosity and preset ideas about 144 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,080 what you think we are, you're probably not going to even clear 145 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,520 first base. Yeah, I I tend to agree. 146 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,080 But sometimes you get caught in that spot where you have this 147 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,800 physical and intellectual chemistry with someone and 148 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,280 they're not willing to go all the way in the cuckolding 149 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,280 dynamic, but you still want to engage with them because as a 150 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,920 cuckoldress leaving and you know, meeting up with someone as 151 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,880 a cuckoldress without telling James, but telling him when I 152 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,960 get home, there's a piece of that that that is very hot to 153 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,120 us. But I still want this person to 154 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,440 engage with us as a couple, whether James is there or not. 155 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,240 You know, I want that interaction. 156 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,560 I mean, that turns me on. I like when my gentleman lovers 157 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,920 reach out to James, especially without me asking. 158 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,000 You should check in with James, like let him know like what 159 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,360 you're thinking like this, right? 160 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,600 So, you know, my whole thing is finding the men that make me 161 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,080 tick. And hopefully I can bring him 162 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,920 into where we are because it's you and I, we're in locations 163 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,720 where we don't have a lot of resources and right. 164 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,720 Meaning. Meaning. 165 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,600 So diverse. Sometimes we have a particular. 166 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:47,280 And sometimes putting labels to things tends to, sometimes it 167 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,720 dilutes kind of the pool of men. And, you know, maybe that's OK. 168 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,680 But if I could find that perfect person or two, I think it would 169 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:01,040 be great. But I think I'll let you know 170 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:07,560 when I it happens because I've met several gentlemen who want 171 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,200 to engage with us, but they're so their time is so limited. 172 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:15,160 It's like, how can you find that person that's more available so 173 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,640 you can build that dynamic with them together? 174 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,520 That's one of the key things that sets, I think couples in 175 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,360 our dynamic kind of apart from let's say swingers or that most 176 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,400 couples I and I'm not all, nobody wants exactly the same 177 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:38,040 thing, but many of us and many of our friends like to have 178 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:42,880 actual friendships and relationships with the lover and 179 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,840 we want that too. And there's a process to that. 180 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,120 It's it's no different than if we were just single people and 181 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,240 free dating. I've got to be attracted to you. 182 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,920 I, we have to have something in common. 183 00:11:54,920 --> 00:12:00,560 There has to be easy conversation flow and we both 184 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:04,000 have to be available for whatever it is we say we want. 185 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,240 Because I've had the same experience that you have, Anne, 186 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,640 you know where it was just gangbusters and then they end up 187 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,680 with no time or no ability on my very first point is check your 188 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,400 assumptions. This is the part about being 189 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,120 curious and being really open about what you want and what 190 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,760 you're actually capable of, because they might be two 191 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,160 different things. What you want and what you're 192 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,240 actually able to deliver may not be the same. 193 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,880 Second thing is to know yourself and know what you want and be 194 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,280 honest about what you want and be completely candid about what 195 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,920 you want and communicate it. What I have run into on more 196 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:53,520 than one occasion is because we are, we are a Poly flavored 197 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,000 couple, meaning we want to have real relationships with our 198 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:03,120 lovers. We've had a a few instances 199 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,280 where Rich was just super good friends with him and he and I 200 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,760 had great chemistry and that's what we want and we're clear 201 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,240 about it. I've had numerous people who 202 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,640 badly wanted to get together with us, but actually, at the 203 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,160 end of the day, they weren't available for that at all. 204 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Either they had too many other commitments or they live too far 205 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,880 away. But they misrepresented. 206 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,120 Yes, I want that too. I want that. 207 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,760 That's what I want. Yeah, that's what I want. 208 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,760 And then they couldn't come through with the goods. 209 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,880 So it doesn't pay to misrepresent that at all. 210 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,640 Just know who you are and know what you want and communicate it 211 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,400 openly and you'll you're likely to find a couple that matches 212 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,880 what you want if you do that. Right. 213 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,760 And I think sometimes it goes both ways. 214 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,360 You know, when as a couple, couple as you are seeking, 215 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,920 sometimes you have to have a little flexibility too because 216 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,080 you just don't. Yeah, you can't if you're so 217 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,320 rigid. This whole lifestyle is flex is 218 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,080 about flexibility and giving people a chance too. 219 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,800 Right. And also as far as genuine 220 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,560 connection, I said whether it's Paul, that's all I want is 221 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:20,280 genuine connection between James I and this person. 222 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Whether you call it Paulie or not, I want, you know, I 223 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,200 appreciate lifelong friendships. I have lovers that I've had for 224 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,200 several years. It's just they're not available 225 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,840 or in different places in their lives, but we're still in touch. 226 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,800 It's how do you find those that right, the availability goes on. 227 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,840 I think you, that's why I think it's important to have if you 228 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,800 can have a few, at least where I'm at. 229 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,680 No, for sure. I mean, I'll settle for one 230 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,400 right now, but but you're exactly right. 231 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,520 So, and then that leads us right to point #3 that I had is to 232 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,360 communicate all of what we've just talked about plus your 233 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,400 boundaries. There are many fewer lovers, I 234 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,160 would say out there that have cuckold experience. 235 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,920 And it's, it's quite new for many of them, if not most of 236 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,000 them. And so we don't take a really 237 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,040 hard line in the beginning, but I let them know we are married. 238 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,920 He is going to be involved one way or the other. 239 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,440 You know, our ideal situation would be you make an effort to 240 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,800 be friends with him and then you guys can work out how you 241 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,000 interact. I know what Bichard's 242 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,040 preferences are and he's very willing to communicate them 243 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:46,000 openly. Like is fluffing a yes or a no? 244 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,280 Is clean up after a yes or a no? If you've got hard limits or 245 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:56,720 hard a hard boundary about not doing that, that you need to say 246 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,760 that. And that's everybody's, that's 247 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,240 everybody's obligation. Everybody's obligation, you 248 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,120 know, we all have the same ability to be flexible where we 249 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,240 can be, and only we can decide which items we can and will be 250 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,560 flexible with. But it starts by being willing 251 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,280 to really communicate honestly. Oh for sure. 252 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,480 And I think it when it comes to boundaries, I've never really 253 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,320 had a true conversation with someone about boundaries. 254 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,280 There might be a question of do you have any hard nose? 255 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:35,720 But we are tend to be people who are very flexible and 256 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,040 adventurous and sexually we've tried just about everything. 257 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:45,280 And I think we welcome challenges and nothing scripted. 258 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,080 But I think those that asked the question, you know, do you have 259 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,160 any hard Nos? I think that's important to get 260 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,680 that communicated on both sides because you can't assume, yeah, 261 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,840 that your lover's going to want to fluff your husband and vice 262 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,240 versa, right? I just like men who are just 263 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,160 open minded and aren't afraid to try new things so. 264 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,880 That is the that is the ideal Unicorn in our world to open 265 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,839 minded and open minded, adventurous and willing to try 266 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:24,920 things and and curious about us. You know, curious about us. 267 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,640 All of these things that we've talked about so far today are 268 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:35,040 the things that lead to really, really good experiences where 269 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,200 everybody feels honored, everybody feels that their needs 270 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,400 have been met one way or the other way, and everybody leaves 271 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,280 the connection satisfied and happy. 272 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,880 I mean, because it's so much more than just the sex thing. 273 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,680 It's so much more. It's so much more it can be. 274 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,120 But that's where the good stuff is, you know, to have a good 275 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,280 friend and somebody that you can laugh with and somebody you can, 276 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,000 you know, go out to dinner with. And, you know, one of our 277 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,040 favorite things is to go in public. 278 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,920 And, you know, I have a strong preference for, in fact, I am 279 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,320 black only. I don't date white guys at all. 280 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,880 And one of our favorite things is to go in public and I'll be 281 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,640 with my lover holding hands or we'll be arm in arm and you 282 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:29,240 know, Bitchard will be behind. You know, he chauffeurs us there 283 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,600 and and he just loves it. He loves it. 284 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:37,440 He just, it just makes his little cuck thing tingle. 285 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,520 We'll go into restaurants and we have some of our most fun at 286 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,120 restaurants where I'll sit on the same table with my lover 287 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:50,000 and, and bitch, it'll be across the table and I'll order drinks 288 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,680 for us and make it obvious like I'll have this, my boyfriend 289 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,080 will have this and my husband over there will have that. 290 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,000 And then just wait. You know, it's just, most 291 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,880 servers are very gracious and they, they just distinctly 292 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,440 trying not to react in the moment. 293 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,040 But you know, 5 minutes later you'll see how all the other 294 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,800 servers in the restaurant looking over at us like, Oh my 295 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,720 God, you know, and that is so much fun, so much fun for us. 296 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,160 It's it's what makes this so much fun. 297 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,600 It's stuff like that, you know, we like to be in public and so 298 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,360 it has to be somebody that we can go socialize with and likes 299 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,800 doing that and likes doing that stuff too. 300 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,360 What are some other maybe issues that you've had that you found a 301 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:38,320 solution for, or you found a new way to navigate it? 302 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,840 I don't know if I found a new way to navigate it. 303 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,760 I feel like I'm more clear in communicating and correcting 304 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,720 people, men, potential lovers, when they have an, you know, 305 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,960 they make assumptions and want to set the stage. 306 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,160 I feel like I'm stronger at saying, look, no, that's not how 307 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,560 it's going to go without pissing them off and having them walk 308 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,200 away. I'm better about that. 309 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,760 Is it anything new? No, I don't have any magic 310 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,920 tricks to to share. But I feel like the longer I've 311 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,480 been in this journey, the stronger I've become in. 312 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,480 Just communicating what I want, right? 313 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,720 I don't know if there's any ways that are more interesting than 314 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,880 others, better ways to go about doing things, whether it be 315 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,240 communicating or attracting men. You know, I, I do as much as I 316 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,160 can. Sometimes I find I feel like I 317 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,760 have a profile on a swing site and actually it's the same one 318 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,760 on a couple different sites. Sometimes I think it's just too 319 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,440 long, but explains exactly what I want, you know? 320 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,240 And people are going to read it or they're not. 321 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,200 And the ones that read it are like, yeah, this is what I want. 322 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:59,760 So it's finding the men that will follow through. 323 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,680 Yeah, that's a big one. That's a hot, hot button. 324 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,000 You're almost in the door right off the bat if you actually took 325 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,680 the time to read, read my profile and can and can feedback 326 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,680 on some of those things or respond to them, man. 327 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,160 But it's rare. It's rare that I find that it's 328 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,040 rare that men will actually take the time to actually read a 329 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,520 profile, which astounds me. It just astounds me. 330 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:31,760 So one of the other hot button items too, is the issue of 331 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:37,760 dominance or submission. Many, many black men like to or 332 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,600 play a more dominant role. They see themselves in that way 333 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:47,040 and, and it's very enjoyable and both of us are good with that. 334 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,120 But I don't make any assumptions about them either. 335 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,640 I always ask, you know, are you dominant? 336 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Do you expect us both to be submissive? 337 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,640 Because I'm not stuff like that. And yeah, not at all. 338 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,440 But that's another place where I've had a lot of people make 339 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,120 assumptions that I'm automatically, you know, as a 340 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:12,040 cuckolder. So I'm automatically going to be 341 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,080 submissive and be his little sex slave and and so is Bitchard if 342 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,280 they don't, you know, throw him away completely. 343 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,000 So that's the that power exchange stuff. 344 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,280 We go into quite some depth and so that we're on the same page 345 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,760 with that because that's an area that can that can be problematic 346 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,520 if you don't understand who it is that's in front of you. 347 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,240 Right. And I I find that I'm I'm not 348 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,920 submissive, but I like strong, confident lovers. 349 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,360 Who? Can be leaders in bed and but I 350 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:50,640 also like that exchange of, you know, no, there's not one person 351 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,840 that's it goes back and forth. You know, it's this chemistry 352 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,960 that, you know, maybe he's initiating something. 353 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,400 I'm initiating something and it goes back and forth to me. 354 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:07,840 That's but if there are strong men that want to be dominant and 355 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,440 want me submissive, they should never assume that I think that's 356 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,760 a a place they may take me after. 357 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,600 There's a comfort level and a A level of trust. 358 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,960 Right. That is the exact conversation 359 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,640 that I had with this person recently, that if there's a 360 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,440 certain intimacy between US and if there's some some trust and 361 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,960 if we have a good friendship and we've established a good 362 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:39,240 camaraderie, a skilled person could take me there at least in 363 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,320 the in bed. You know, during my day-to-day 364 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,560 life, I'm never submissive. I mean, just ask my husband. 365 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,200 But that's something that I would play with that with the 366 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,000 right person, but it'd have to be exactly the right person and 367 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,840 you have to approach it exactly the right way. 368 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,240 Oh, yeah, I, I agree. I think, I mean, I think there's 369 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,080 a point of liking someone who has power and strength and 370 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,600 bravado versus a dominant. There's somebody who's confident 371 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:12,000 without being a Dom in the whole BDSM language. 372 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,840 In fact, I went on to Fetlife and I'm like, OK, I'll maybe 373 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,440 I'll create a profile here, but there were just so many labels 374 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,720 you could associate with. And I'm like, huh, I wonder if 375 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,480 I'm a good, I'm a cuckle dress. I'm going to put my, I'm going 376 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,280 to put the full profile in here and see if I, if it's 377 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,200 interesting enough, you know? Yeah, they have these laundry 378 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,200 lists of labels and you, you have to identify your this or 379 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,320 you like that. And which is helpful. 380 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960 I think at least it can start a conversation if people actually 381 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,680 read that. But yeah, you made a good point 382 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:52,720 that I want to highlight to the difference between being a 383 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:59,000 strong, confident, assertive man, which I love, versus a 384 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,880 dominant man that wants to kind of push people around. 385 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,480 That's been my experience. And, and, and that's really 386 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,760 where those are two completely different people. 387 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,880 I agree. The man that has that has the 388 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:19,080 need to be the Lord and master of the entire household forever 389 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,040 and all time. It probably wouldn't work with 390 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:27,520 us, but strong, confident, assertive, I'll tell you another 391 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,040 key to that too. For any bull that might be 392 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,280 interested in this. What works for me is master a 393 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040 flirt. Man, that's kind of a dying art. 394 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:43,880 Master the fucking flirt. It's you can't imagine how many 395 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,800 good things could come your way if you know how to flirt. 396 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Right, I agree. It's like you set up a date with 397 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,120 someone and there's, it's great, but there's no conversation 398 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:01,840 between the day you talk and then, you know, a week later 399 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,560 it's like, come on, like, can you tell me? 400 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,360 Like you're thinking of me? Even if you're not like your 401 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,400 your Jack's, your Jack's hard. Like right now you're mourning, 402 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,040 like just getting those like little snippets occasionally. 403 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,120 You have no idea what it does for me. 404 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,560 I Yeah, Well, it's so hot, so wet, don't you? 405 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,680 Don't you think that's most women though? 406 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,640 And I, I don't know why flirting has become a dying art, but the 407 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,560 men that are good at it, at it, they have women 12 deep at all 408 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,160 times. It, it's a, it's a magic thing. 409 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,720 It doesn't cost you anything. It is a it is this art form, I 410 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,360 think that can be mastered, but learning how to be playful and 411 00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:48,440 flirty and TZ that is so hot. I'm exactly the same. 412 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,280 I'm just like I'm an all a puddle for people that know how 413 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760 to flirt. Now, given that we just said 414 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,280 that, here's the other thing that doesn't work for me 415 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,400 personally. I don't want to see your Dick 416 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,080 pic unless I ask for it. Don't send me a Dick pic 417 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,760 thinking you're going to get to know me. 418 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,160 I want you to, you know, show me that you can make me laugh. 419 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,240 Show me that you can't be curious. 420 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Show me that you have something to say for yourself. 421 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,560 Show me a little bit of your personality. 422 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,680 All of those things are much, much more important than your 423 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,080 Dick size. We'll get to that. 424 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,640 Everybody's got a Dick. Not everybody has a flirt. 425 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,160 That's what I'm saying. Well I don't want to see a Dick 426 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,200 Dick pic unless I've seen the Dick and played with the Dick in 427 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,000 person like so. And this is my new best friend. 428 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,440 It's follow up Dick pics are good and knowing that two of my 429 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,520 a few of my favorite lovers are married, you know, cheater 1, 430 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,000 cheater 2 like covering. I want to refer to them and 431 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320 they're fantastic. It's just their heart, but they 432 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960 have amazing Dicks. So when they send me something 433 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,240 it's like I'm thinking of you. I love it like. 434 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,440 Now see? But see what you just said right 435 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000 there? And that's a flirt, yeah, 'cause 436 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,360 you already know the Dick and you know the guy and you've had 437 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,240 a good experience with him, you know? 438 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320 But an unsolicited Dick pic? Why do guys do that? 439 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Stop doing it. Just stop. 440 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280 Stop doing that. Nobody thinks it's fun or funny. 441 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720 I don't, and I don't know anybody that does, but they just 442 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,280 insist upon sending those and, you know, flirt with me instead. 443 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,680 You'll get you much further than sending me a picture of your 444 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,960 Weiner. Right, right. 445 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,760 If we're speaking to the gentleman, the bulls or lovers 446 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,200 or however you define yourself, just be honest in the 447 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,200 presentation that you give. You know, don't say keep talking 448 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,560 about your bbci. Don't give a shit if your BBC 449 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,680 is. I mean, yeah, I want a large 450 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,640 Dick because I need size, but I don't want to know those 451 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,440 details. I'd rather know what's in your 452 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,560 head. I need to know that brain. 453 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,960 Yes. And if all you're going to talk 454 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,640 about is your Bbci, can assure you. 455 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,720 Most times when if I have this conversation and we go out for 456 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,840 coffee, I take them to my back seat. 457 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,600 They don't pass the test because they want to think that they're 458 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,120 going to satisfy me. But first of all, all they do is 459 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,200 talk about their BBC and then usually that's a red flag. 460 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,960 I should know better, but it's usually not the case. 461 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,640 Any advice that we could give to maybe couples that are also 462 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,440 struggling with trying to find the right kind of lover for 463 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,480 them? You know, I think as far as, you 464 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,400 know, couples, obviously some couples, the men, the husbands 465 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,960 do the looking. That's just how it works, you 466 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,320 know, try to have an open mind. Know that they may not all check 467 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,280 every single box, but maybe they will eventually. 468 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,120 You know, I think the most important thing is do you have a 469 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,160 chemistry intellectually and physically and see where it 470 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,200 goes. Like have fun. 471 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Can you have fun with this person? 472 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,160 And does this person seem open minded and just take it one step 473 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,640 at a time? Because if you don't try, you 474 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,280 don't know. Like you'll never know. 475 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,320 And I just think the easiest part is to, if you see someone 476 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,120 that's attractive and they're communicating with you through 477 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,520 whatever site you're using, don't be afraid to take it a 478 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:42,240 little further and see if they're willing to bend and you 479 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,960 know, if they're willing to be flexible. 480 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,080 I just feel like if you just shut everyone out because they 481 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,920 don't match your description or they don't ask all the right 482 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,320 questions, you could lose a potential lover or friend. 483 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,960 I think that's, yeah, I think that's really, really solid 484 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,880 advice. And one thing you might consider 485 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,320 is have like your master list of things that must be there. 486 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,560 Like I must be able to talk to you. 487 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,240 You have to have a little bit of intellectual heft. 488 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,920 It's absolutely a requirement of mine that you got to make me 489 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,680 laugh. If you're too serious or you 490 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,160 don't have a sense of humor, we probably won't get along. 491 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,200 How you dress and what you do for a living and even your 492 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,640 availability, you know, I can be flexible with that. 493 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,480 If if the big rocks that are in my bucket get ticked, we can 494 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,240 fill in with all kinds of little rocks and much can be defined by 495 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,720 the lover. But know what your really core 496 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,280 requirements are and and to the best of your ability. 497 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,720 See if you match on those things and then be flexible just like 498 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,240 Anne said, be flexible on the little rocks because you might 499 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200 be surprised, you might, you might think something was was a 500 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,560 big rock and it's really just a Little Rock and you might find 501 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,200 something that's really special by being open minded about that. 502 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,440 Yeah, and sometimes I'll. I'll be. 503 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,280 Frustrated because I'm like, well, he didn't ask me any 504 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:16,640 questions and so OK, well, if that's the case, maybe I need to 505 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,480 restructure the conversation so that I change up the dialogue so 506 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,440 that I'm offering information and then maybe that'll spark 507 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360 questions. I mean, sometimes it's like, 508 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,160 well, do you have any questions? And they're going to say, no, I 509 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,840 don't have any questions. So. 510 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,760 The truth is, they don't even know what to ask. 511 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,920 That's why they don't. Know what to ask? 512 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,640 Yeah, they don't know what to ask. 513 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,560 So, so that's a, that's a really, that's a really helpful 514 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,400 tip is if you're not getting some good curiosity questions 515 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,520 going, then try and provide some information and then ask them 516 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,680 how they see that or something like that. 517 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400 It might get the conversation going a little deeper so that 518 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,880 you could you could know more about where where you're going 519 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720 to intersect or not intersect. Well, even if you wanted to have 520 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,560 find something like get a conversation going, well, what 521 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,880 do you do when you're not fucking women? 522 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Like, what do you do like, and I don't care about your job. 523 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Like what do you what makes you tick? 524 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,440 Besides, yeah, you know, what do you do in your? 525 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,640 What are your hobbies? You know I. 526 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,640 Where have you travelled? Yeah, and it's like, well, I 527 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,640 just, I play video games all day. 528 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,160 I'm like cool, like, or what do you do for fitness? 529 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840 I don't have to. I don't do anything. 530 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,240 Well, to me that's a deal breaker because fitness is 531 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,160 really important to me. Yeah, yeah. 532 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,720 There's kind and curious ways. Yeah, kind and curious ways to 533 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,640 interject that into conversations, to kind of 534 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,880 excavate who's in front of you. And then maybe they'll pick up 535 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,560 the hint and start asking you some of those questions and then 536 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,480 you're off to the races. But hopefully this has been 537 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920 helpful for everyone. I think it's an important 538 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,960 conversation. I appreciate you so much and 539 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,160 for, you know, being willing to contribute your wisdom here 540 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,280 because you've got a lot of it and just thanks, thanks for 541 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,240 participating. That's. 542 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,080 I I really thank you and I'm flattered that you invited me to 543 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:15,600 join on the conversation and looking forward to what we talk 544 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,760 about next. Our dear producer gave us a list 545 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,920 of questions because he's in a in a cut group and they fished 546 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,040 out about 10 really good questions. 547 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,840 So we've got we've got material to cover. 548 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560 So we'll be covering some of those topics on next time. 549 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,320 But thank you for being here and it's been really fun and 550 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,239 hopefully it's been helpful for our listeners. 551 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,280 OK, thank you. Till next time. 552 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,199 Bye.