1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,400 Non monogamy is not weird. You see it on these dating 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,920 profiles as it is. It's not weird. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,520 It's all you have to say and listen up and write this down. 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:23,560 All you have to say is. Hey everybody, I just wanted to 5 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,920 give you a quick notice. I am starting to offer a 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,520 one-on-one coaching session. It's called Ask Crystal. 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,680 It is coaching for individuals and couples as they explore 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,640 ethical non monogamy. Whatever your dynamic is, I've 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,600 been living in this dynamic for 10 years and I've learned a ton. 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,600 And I hope to share some of that wisdom with you in the hopes 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,840 that it will help you. So you'll get the details in the 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,560 show notes and I hope to see you there. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,320 Hello everybody. This is Crystal Welch here and I 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,960 am super excited to bring you one of my dear friends and 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,840 famous cuckoldras podcaster, Venus. 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,960 She is one of my favorite people. 17 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 She's been in the in the space for a long time. 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,960 You can find her at venuscuckoldras.com. 19 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:20,240 And also she also is the host of Venus. 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Connections. I know I get the right word 21 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:30,480 Venus connections. Anyway, if you're not sure what 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,440 that is, that is to my knowledge, the only. 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,080 It's not a dating site. It's a It's a meeting portal for 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,400 women and men who are interested in the cuckold dynamic. 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,840 And she has a rigorous screening process, which I'm gonna have 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,120 her tell you about here in a minute. 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,640 But I just wanted to welcome her. 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,960 She's she is very, very unique in this space. 29 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,640 And and I'm just thrilled to be able to talk with her today. 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,400 So I'm gonna pick her brain about a bunch of stuff. 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,560 So Venus say hey, hi. Everybody. 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,760 Oh my goodness. Thank you Crystal for having me 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,720 on your show. This is gonna be awesome. 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,760 I always love our conversations together. 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Yup. It's just, they turned out to be 36 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,760 full of laughs and full of passion and full of bullshit and 37 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,760 all kinds of stuff. So it's, it's always fun. 38 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,840 It's always fun. So I wanted to do this because I 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,000 know for sure you have a massive following. 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,880 And I'm sure that people are curious about so many things 41 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,680 about you because you're always interviewing other people. 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,520 You know, today's the day that we're gonna sort of peel back 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,840 the the paper on you and find out what, what makes you tick 44 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,200 besides cuckoldry and how how you got into the space that 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,800 you're in. So I wanna start with talking 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:58,600 about how did you launch this idea and what is the origin of 47 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,920 it for you personally? Yeah, so it it's all started. 48 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Let's see about in 2015, I had met this guy on Tinder and I 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,200 didn't know what the word cuck or cuckold was. 50 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,320 I was not new to non monogamy because I had been venturing as 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,000 a Unicorn solo woman in the swinger's lifestyle. 52 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,400 So I was familiar with non monogamy as far as like open 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,320 relationships, being open on both sides and stuff like that. 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,200 But I did not know what cuckold was at all. 55 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Never heard of it. I had no clue. 56 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,720 And then this guy, he started to explain it to me and I didn't 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,240 understand the one sided open part. 58 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 I was like what? Like I've never known a guy to 59 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,760 be OK with not having the same privilege. 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Like for me, up until that point, I'd only known this like 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,640 egalitarian kind of system in relationships where like it had 62 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,160 to be equal. You have to meet in the middle 63 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,960 and it always has to stay fair for everyone to be happy. 64 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,880 So when he brought this up to me that he wanted me to sleep with 65 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 other guys and he did not want to sleep with other women, I was 66 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,080 like, hold up. What? 67 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Like, Are you sure? Like, I don't understand that, 68 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 but OK, whatever. If that if that's what makes you 69 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,480 happy, whatever. But then I over the years like 70 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,360 or actually not even didn't even take that long, but over the 71 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,840 next several months at least, I began to really appreciate that 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:38,320 seemingly unfairness part of it, like where he I get to sleep 73 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,360 with other guys and he just likes it that way and didn't 74 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,360 want to sleep with anyone else. And he was really into the 75 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,880 sexual denial part, even though he never said those words, 76 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,360 sexual denial. He said, I love it if you make 77 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,520 me wait. And so I was like, OK, I don't 78 00:04:54,520 --> 00:05:01,360 understand that either, but OK. And I was just really fascinated 79 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,200 by it all because like, at the time, I really did feel that I 80 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,000 found what fit me. I found the kind of relationship 81 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,600 that really fit who I was. And I never thought that I would 82 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,040 be able to find that because I didn't know these kind of guys 83 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,480 existed. So when I found out that this 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,360 was a thing, I was just like, this sounds too good to be true. 85 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,720 Like what's the catch? You know, like this is this 86 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,200 sounds like amazing. And then I got I was kind of 87 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,680 upset because I thought, well, if I didn't know about this, 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,360 there's probably a lot of other women that don't know about it 89 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,160 either. And I wasn't exactly vanilla. 90 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,680 So the fact that I didn't even know about this, I was like, I 91 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:48,160 really do want to share this with other women and let them 92 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,120 know like, Hey, this actually is a thing. 93 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,280 There's actual guys out there that would love to be in a 94 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,280 relationship with you and not want to sleep with other women. 95 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,880 And they love the fact that you sleep with other men. 96 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,200 In fact, they don't just love it, they celebrate it. 97 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Like he, my first cuck boyfriend, literally was like, 98 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,520 sluts are the best thing in the whole world. 99 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,720 And I don't know how guys don't love sluts because like he's 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,280 like sluts are fucking amazing and the hottest thing ever. 101 00:06:14,280 --> 00:06:17,600 And it was just he he just really made me feel like that 102 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,680 was such an like incredible quality for me to have. 103 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,400 And I was like, I never hear this from many guys before. 104 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,960 Like this is amazing. So it wasn't even just like a 105 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,560 I'll share you or I'll let you sleep with other guys. 106 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,600 It was just like, Oh fucking please tell me all about this 107 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,720 guy that you just fucked like. And I was like, what are, who 108 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,920 are these guys like? Who are you? 109 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,400 Yeah. Like what? 110 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 So I really wanted to share that with other women. 111 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,400 And that was the, that was when I first started writing in what 112 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,480 was it 2016, I started writing A blog. 113 00:06:54,960 --> 00:07:00,760 And then it was the January of 2020 that I started podcasting, 114 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,280 which was kind of just like a spur of the moment decision to 115 00:07:04,280 --> 00:07:05,880 do that. And that's been, that's what 116 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,400 I've been doing ever since that and the matchmaking service. 117 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Well, that's, that's an amazing evolution. 118 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,360 And when you think of it, there's a couple things that 119 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,840 come to mind for me, 'cause that that's very much like my, my 120 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,440 circumstances were a little bit different. 121 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,080 But you know, that was one of the primary thoughts that I had 122 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,720 too. Like, why wouldn't every woman 123 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:36,240 on earth wanna cuck man? Yeah, I mean cake and eat it too 124 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,560 much. But the other thing is that I 125 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,280 think it's a giant misconception that and you just described it 126 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,520 very, very well, that somehow he's being deprived. 127 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Well, the truth is there are a certain class of men that are 128 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,880 hard wired this way and they don't feel deprived at all. 129 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,520 You know, it is sort of the the space of compersion where 130 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,960 they're getting just as much joy out of that sexual connection 131 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,400 that you have that that you are. And so that's not like, even 132 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,640 though they're not out doing other women, they're 133 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,400 participating in your experience with you and and that's where 134 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,240 they get a lot of joy. So that's one of the sort of 135 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,240 secret parts of cuckolding. I think that too, that people 136 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,800 don't talk about enough. You know, it's always, well, why 137 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,880 does she always get what she wants and he doesn't get 138 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,280 anything. And it's not like that. 139 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,440 It's really not like that. Yeah, and that was the part that 140 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,799 really fascinated me too, because I was astounded by the 141 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:42,760 reaction that he was having from just me sleeping with other 142 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,159 guys. It wasn't even just like a oh, 143 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:45,840 OK, you know, tell me about it later. 144 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,600 But like, I've never seen a guy so turned on like that in my 145 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,480 life, like ever. And I was like, what is this? 146 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,920 This game is fun. Like I was feeding off of the 147 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:02,840 energy from him because he was just so. 148 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,520 And I knew that if I sent him a picture of me with like a big 149 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,320 Dick in my mouth, like he was just gonna lose his fucking 150 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,920 mind, like. Yeah, you know that that 151 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,560 descriptive word fun doesn't even quite capture it, right? 152 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,080 It doesn't quite capture it, but it's it's in that realm 153 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,920 somewhere. So. 154 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,240 So where are you now relationship wise? 155 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,680 And I would, I think everybody in the world assumes that you 156 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:32,920 must have 10,000 cucks at all times. 157 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Do you have a primary relationship? 158 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,560 You know what? What has been your experience 159 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:39,840 subsequent to that? Now that you've discovered it? 160 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,160 How has that, how has that morphed, and what's your 161 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,360 experience been with actually trying to seek out a cuck 162 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,560 partner? Yeah, it's been shit. 163 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,480 So I really honestly in the beginning I thought OK, after my 164 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,680 first cuck boyfriend that that relationship was long distance. 165 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:04,120 It didn't last. And then after that, my partner 166 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,560 who I had, we were together for a little while and he just got 167 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:11,600 really sick and passed away. And after that I took a long 168 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,240 break. Obviously, that was pretty 169 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,520 awful. And then I really did think that 170 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,560 I was just gonna, you know, find someone amazing again and be 171 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:26,400 able to have that relationship again and, and it not be super 172 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,720 challenging because let's face it, there's like a lot of single 173 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,520 guys out there that really want this kind of relationship. 174 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,920 I really didn't think it would be that difficult. 175 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,280 And I really did think that my journey in within the cuckolding 176 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,000 realm was gonna be about telling, you know, sharing my 177 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,960 story about a relationship. I, I didn't realize and I, I 178 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 know like, it's looking back, it's kind of weird, but like, 179 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:00,880 really, that wasn't it. It was gonna be me sharing my 180 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,840 story about the challenges around dating. 181 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,720 And I didn't really anticipate that. 182 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,640 I really, I didn't think that that was gonna be my thing, that 183 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,080 it was gonna that I was gonna be talking about. 184 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:20,040 OK, why is dating in this, this sphere so dysfunctional? 185 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,360 And why is there so much of A disconnect happening? 186 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,520 And so that's really been my journey up until now is to, to, 187 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,280 to, to really explore that, to talk about it and to do 188 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,560 something about it, not just complain about it. 189 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,920 But I did not anticipate that. I did not expect that. 190 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,240 I thought that it would be easier for me to find somebody 191 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,440 long term because like I said, there's lots of guys out there. 192 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:55,560 There's very few single women who are looking for a cock 193 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:57,640 boyfriend. Like, first of all, they don't 194 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,720 know that it exists. Second of all, if they do come 195 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,000 across guys who are like, oh, I wanna be your cock. 196 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,560 It's usually he's using her for wank material and that doesn't 197 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,960 go anywhere. And so it's it's it's really, 198 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,720 really challenging because like there's a lot of guys out there. 199 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:24,000 I've come across a ton of guys, but unfortunately I have years 200 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,040 and years of people who've just wasted my time and that's been 201 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,440 so frustrating. I can't imagine. 202 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,640 So for some context here, for our listeners, for those of you 203 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,640 who haven't seen Vienna, she's this drop dead gorgeous human 204 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,640 female. She's smart, she's funny, she's 205 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:53,200 intelligent, she's self aware, she's informed, and she has a 206 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,840 broad broadview. And I'm in this space too. 207 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,120 And I know that, you know, and I don't know what technically what 208 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,000 the numbers are, but I'm gonna guess that there's probably 1000 209 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:10,400 men who want women like her who are willing to cuckold them for 210 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,680 every one woman who's willing to. 211 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,400 So there's something not right about this entire math. 212 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,880 There's something that's totally not right about it. 213 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,520 So from your perspective and and you and I can share some ideas 214 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,160 on this, but from your perspective, what are you 215 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,040 encountering? There's all these prospects that 216 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,520 are out there, you know, guys that say or maybe give lip 217 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,680 service to the fact that they would like to have a 218 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,560 relationship with you and they wanna be cucks and blah, blah, 219 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:44,000 blah. What is your experience in the 220 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,840 field? Yeah, so I would, I would. 221 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,840 I went through in the very beginning, I didn't understand 222 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,080 why there were so many guys who say that they really want those 223 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,560 kind of relationship, act like they really want this kind of 224 00:13:57,560 --> 00:13:59,840 relationship. And then when it comes to 225 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:05,400 actually meeting in person or, you know, making it a reality, 226 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,240 then they chicken out, they get cold feet and they are just 227 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,600 poof, gone. And this was happening to me. 228 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,640 I mean, there's a certain degree of that in regular dating as it 229 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:22,080 is, but in cuckold dating, this is really epidemic because this 230 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,760 is a chronic issue that keeps happening over and over again. 231 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,040 A lot of these guys are acting in these bad behavior ways and 232 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,480 they don't even realize that they're all doing it. 233 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,600 And so it was a matter of me, this happening to me over and 234 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,400 over and over again, where I'd be like, really invest my time 235 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,480 into somebody, you know, and, and then poof, they're gone. 236 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,680 And then months or even a year later, they would come back and 237 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,320 they'll always come back. And they would have some stupid 238 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,560 excuse and they would be like, I'm so sorry, blah, blah, blah. 239 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:56,080 And then it would happen again. And, and when this happened like 240 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,240 so many times, I'm like, what the fuck? 241 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,680 You can't help but like, wonder, is something wrong with me? 242 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:07,240 Like what is going on here? And it took me fucking years to 243 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,240 understand that there's so many guys out there who carry this 244 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,280 really debilitating level of shame around being interested in 245 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,320 this kind of relationship or this kind of fantasy that they 246 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,800 are able to like, shelve that shame for the first little bit 247 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,560 of building a relationship. But at some point it becomes too 248 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,120 much and it's just easy to just fucking drop off and flake out 249 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,480 and ghost. And so this happens over and 250 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:39,160 over and over again. And you know how hard that is as 251 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:44,480 a woman to like not get that explanation ever and just be 252 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,720 treated like that. Like, I can't even count how 253 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,600 many times I have been ghosted. I like literally he's just not 254 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,200 showing up at the airport. Like, like this is this is so 255 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,520 bad that you come to just kind of expect it. 256 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,560 And it wasn't until I started talking to other single women 257 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 who, like I said, they're, they barely exist. 258 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,440 They're, and they were saying the same fucking thing. 259 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,000 And I was like, Oh no, this is really a problem. 260 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,960 And so I began to really understand that there's this 261 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:23,360 really fucking shitty aspect to, to cuckolding where guys carry 262 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,720 all of this shame and guilt and it's like self loathing 263 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,240 actually, and how detrimental that is to them, but how 264 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,960 absolutely crushing it is to relationships or potential 265 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,720 relationships or building a relationship. 266 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,400 I saw, Oh my God, having to deal with that almost been the worst 267 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,840 fucking thing because then I was just like, why are you all 268 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,560 acting like this? Like, can you fucking stop it? 269 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:52,800 And then there'll be guys who they are simply out there to 270 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,880 waste your time. This is just they want someone 271 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,280 to talk to cuckolding about so they can wank off and. 272 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:02,920 Yeah, fulfill a fantasy. Fulfill a fantasy. 273 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,040 And there's so many married guys out there who are pretending to 274 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,720 be single cocks who just want to, you know, string you along 275 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,960 and wank off a bunch while they, you know, fantasize, talk with 276 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,760 you. Oh, like all that stuff and it's 277 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,240 just infuriating. It's so, it's so frustrating. 278 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,640 It's no wonder there's so few single women who were out there 279 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,880 looking for this because they're constantly getting ghosted, 280 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,000 They're constantly getting flicked on, they're constantly 281 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,920 getting bombarded with fantasy vomit like in the first fucking 282 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,200 conversations. Like it's just, it's too much 283 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:45,840 like and then you've got the all the other problems of there's so 284 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,640 much fear around discretion with guys. 285 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,560 I mean, there are with women too, but especially with men. 286 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:57,280 Men are, they fear somebody finding out so badly that they, 287 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,160 it's almost like an unrealistic fear in some ways, because they 288 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,440 are just so scared and so heavily closeted about this that 289 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,640 there's no way they're ever going to show you a picture of 290 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,080 who they are. They're they're never gonna be 291 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,160 honest about their name or where they're from or how old they are 292 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 or like basic shit. So you know how hard it is to 293 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,560 get to know somebody when they won't even tell you the most 294 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,720 basic information or if they do, it's not real. 295 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,440 Or if they send you a picture, it's not actually them. 296 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,560 Like you know how hard it is to start a relationship when it 297 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,040 starts with distrust and dishonesty. 298 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,160 It's like it doesn't fucking work. 299 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,200 So there's all of these issues around dating in this lifestyle 300 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,920 that are just they're, they make it so difficult. 301 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,400 But I don't think a lot of the men out there realize that this 302 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,400 is part of the reason why there's so few women out there 303 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:57,160 who are looking, because you have to be really committed to 304 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,760 wanting this kind of relationship if you're gonna 305 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,800 stick around in this dating arena and be treated like that 306 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,520 repeatedly. Well, this conversation makes my 307 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:13,640 head wanna explode in about 50 different directions because I'm 308 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,840 on the other side. You know, I'm I'm advertised for 309 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,960 a cock and I married him. And so I didn't go through this 310 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,400 the cut dating experience. I just got lucky. 311 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,160 I just rolled the dice and got lucky once. 312 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:34,120 But I have heard from hundreds, hundreds of men that are this 313 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:38,560 wanting, needing. How could I find a woman like 314 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,880 you? And it just blows my mind and 315 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,240 defies my imagination that somebody like you, who would be 316 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:51,920 a gem in any configuration, it puts up with that kind of 317 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,040 behavior. I mean, it's like the men of the 318 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:00,280 world still, in spite of being in the 21st century, they, they 319 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,960 look at women like they're your kink dispensers. 320 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:08,040 That's what women exist for, to, to somehow give you wank 321 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,880 material or, you know, get you excited so you can go home and 322 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,320 fuck your wife or something like this. 323 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,280 But it it's infuriating to me. To hear what you've been 324 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,320 through, when I know that I hear the same thing so many men want 325 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,520 and so many men are not able to actually come to the table. 326 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:34,280 It's infuriating. So if I had anything to say to 327 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,960 the cuckwannabe men out there, it is this. 328 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:41,360 Listen to this and take it to heart. 329 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,400 You'll never have this and there's no woman out there, 330 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,320 certainly not anybody in the position that Venus is in to 331 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,960 fulfill your, your, your king fantasies. 332 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,320 That's not her job. That's not any woman's job. 333 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,120 That's no woman's job. Your job is to do your own 334 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,400 personal growth enough so that you can come to the table, have 335 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,800 the courage to talk to the women that you know and say, you know, 336 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,760 here's something about me. And, you know, I would just be 337 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,600 thrilled if you would consider, you know, having other lovers. 338 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,640 And I don't need this. I don't have that same need. 339 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,000 But I'd be thrilled if you would. 340 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,480 I mean, grow the fuck up. Yeah. 341 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,240 And that's the thing about this is it does take work, but that's 342 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,920 not sexy, and that's not part of the fantasy for a lot of guys. 343 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,960 They're like, wait, what? And like, no, this is just about 344 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,240 what turns me on. In the moment and as soon as he 345 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,480 comes, then it's like Venus, who you know and, and it's you know 346 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,720 how insulting, how insulting is that? 347 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,680 We're human beings out here. We don't exist for your fantasy 348 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960 fulfillment. That's not our role. 349 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,160 We're happy to participate with you, whatever you bring to the 350 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,880 table. We can probably match you. 351 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:05,760 But it's not our job to give you other reasons to go yank your 352 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Dick. It's not our job. 353 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,560 It's just not our job. Yeah, and what for? 354 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,400 For the for the guys, the single guys who are listening to this 355 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,720 right now. For the Mary Cucks. 356 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Good for you. You're fucking lucky. 357 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,640 And you know you've won the lottery and treat her amazing 358 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,040 and treat her right. But for the single guys out 359 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,040 there who are like, Oh my God, I really want to find a woman 360 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,280 who's into this. Why can't I find more women into 361 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,480 this? Why is this so difficult? 362 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Let me just tell you. OK? 363 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,360 So listen up. I hope you got your pen and 364 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:37,080 paper right now because I'm gonna tell you some shit. 365 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,520 This is important for the guys to know because I have guys who 366 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,880 come to me and they're like, well, why? 367 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,640 Why aren't there more women? Why? 368 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,480 What do you like, you should go out and find more women for your 369 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,000 matchmaking service. And I'm just like, man, I have 370 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,160 literally been trying to reach women for how many years is it 371 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:55,640 now? Almost? 372 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,320 It feels like almost a decade. I have been screaming it out to 373 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,920 the fucking world. I have put my face out there. 374 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,840 I have literally done everything I can to reach women and tell 375 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,680 them about how amazing this is. Same with you, Crystal. 376 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,600 How we go out that we tell people we are doing this to 377 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,240 reach women, to let them know, OK, that's never going to be 378 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:21,200 enough for us to just do that. It is unfortunately never ever, 379 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,360 ever gonna be enough for me to just tell women how great and 380 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,400 amazing this is. Let's face it, cuckolding is an 381 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,440 invisible relationship for the most part. 382 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,240 It is because if as a woman if I go on Tinder right now and I'm 383 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,760 scrolling through profiles, I never see a profile that 384 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,040 mentions cuckolding or A1 sided open relationship ever. 385 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Like ever. Even on field. 386 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,480 It's like one of the kinky, more kinkier apps. 387 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,520 It is very, very rare, very, very uncommon for Cox to 388 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:02,120 actually put it on there. And so, but on Tinder and Bumble 389 00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:06,840 and all the regular fucking vanilla apps, at least 30% of 390 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,480 them mention non monogamy of some form, way shape or form. 391 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,760 So so swinging, open, relate, Poly, whatever, then that's not 392 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,280 taboo. That is not abnormal. 393 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,200 Everybody knows that. There's lots of people out there 394 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,720 practicing non monogamy. The guys have no problem putting 395 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,440 that in there. Oh yeah, I'm Polly, I'm in an 396 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,160 open relationship, whatever. They have no problem putting 397 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,960 that on there because there's no shame to that, right? 398 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,400 For the most part, there's really not. 399 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,800 And so women see that non monogamy exists, but they don't 400 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,040 see that there is this one kind that's very unique where it's 401 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,240 open on one side only. They don't even know about that. 402 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,880 So for them, it always means non monogamy equals him sleeping 403 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,360 with other women. And there's lots of US women who 404 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,080 are like, fuck that shit. I don't want to share my 405 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,320 partner. And so they don't even know that 406 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,720 this is an option. And so men are OK with putting 407 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,160 non monogamy on their profile, but they're not OK with 408 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,440 admitting that they want something that's open on one 409 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,640 side only. And so it's invisible to so many 410 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,640 women out there. It's no wonder why people women 411 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,000 are like, well, I'm not signing up for something I I don't even 412 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,720 know it exists. So. 413 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,520 Well, and even the ones that hear about it don't believe it 414 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720 exactly. Because that is. 415 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,520 Yeah, of course they are. Because they've never been an 416 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,440 experience where a man could be unselfish like that, where he 417 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,040 could provide safety and security in the relationship for 418 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,040 her and also let her go find adventure. 419 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,200 Which my my favorite psychologist, Esther Perel would 420 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,040 say that's what all human women and men need. 421 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,560 We need safety and we need adventure. 422 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,160 And sometimes you can't get that with just one person. 423 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,120 Absolutely. And you know, that's, that's the 424 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:56,280 thing. This is a big important 425 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,160 conversation. And you've touched on so many 426 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,160 important points that I just don't know how we can emphasize 427 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,960 them enough. So how would you advise the 428 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,680 women in the world that might listen to this to have an open 429 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,240 mind about the possibilities? What are some of the joys that 430 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,560 you have gotten out of it? I know for myself, I was in a 431 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,120 monogamous marriage before and he went off with a rock band and 432 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,680 I was a single parent after that. 433 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,680 And I thought, you know, that's not what I signed up with for 434 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,640 marriage. I wanted a partner and a lover 435 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,280 and a companion. And I didn't have any of those 436 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,920 things. So I decided way back then, way, 437 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,800 way when my son was still little, I'm not a candidate for 438 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,760 marital monogamy ever again. I it's not enough. 439 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,440 Now, had we been able to engage in, you know, a higher level 440 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,800 conversation like this, saying, hey, you're gonna tour with this 441 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,240 band, I'm gonna have a lover, you know, I would have stayed 442 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,840 married to him. Who wants to get divorced? 443 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760 Nobody, nobody wants to get divorced. 444 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,280 But we weren't able to have that. 445 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,600 AI didn't know it existed. And I never thought that there 446 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,760 would ever be a man that would accept that thing. 447 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,200 So. So that's out there. 448 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:25,920 But now that I'm in it, I can't, I can't express the depth of the 449 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,080 intimacy, the joy, the connection that we have found 450 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,080 because this is an intense personal growth program for both 451 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,200 of us. It has caused both of us to go 452 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,920 deeper and wider with ourselves and with each other. 453 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,400 And so I end up, you know, at this sort of late stage of the 454 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,360 game with the relationship that's everything I always 455 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,160 dreamed of, but I never believed actually existed. 456 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,240 It it happened right here. So from your perspective, Venus, 457 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:03,200 how would you advise other women to find an open heart and an 458 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,840 open mind and how how might they encourage that discussion with a 459 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,640 prospective? Partner Well, I think women 460 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:18,480 talking to other women is a big part of understanding this kind 461 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,520 of relationship or the potential for that kind of next level 462 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,680 love, trust and connection that comes with this kind of 463 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,760 relationship. But I really do feel like this 464 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,760 begins with men. This really does the this does 465 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,480 this begins with men. So for the guys who are married, 466 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,880 this is about and they're you know, there's so many guys out 467 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,280 there listening right now who are afraid to bring this up to 468 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,320 their partner. Don't know how and if they will 469 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,280 probably won't get it right and. Yeah, or they've brought it up 470 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880 before and they were shut down immediately, so they went back 471 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,800 in their cave and they never ventured to get ever talk about 472 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,680 it again. Yeah. 473 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,960 So I there is for that. I feel like there's the the way 474 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,360 that you bring this up to a woman is not fantasy focused. 475 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,080 This needs to be about the potential benefits to a 476 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520 relationship. When you frame it like that and 477 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520 you approach it like that for guys, that's that's a big part 478 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,840 of it. And then connecting her with 479 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120 other women. Oh, hey, you should listen to 480 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,680 this podcast or you should read this blog or you should join the 481 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,640 Slut sisters group or you know, whatever to be able to connect 482 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,320 women, to be able to learn from others. 483 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,240 And that's where that key component comes from. 484 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:36,600 But for for the single guys, this is the thing this is and I 485 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,840 went, I, I talked a little bit about this before. 486 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,000 I mean, this is for the single guys listening right now. 487 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,320 This is another thing that you need to write down on your pen 488 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,920 and paper. You guys need to start putting 489 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440 it out there that this is actually what you're looking 490 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,400 for. And I know the knee jerk 491 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,080 reaction from guys listening right now is like, fuck no, 492 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,960 there's no way I'm putting it out there to the world that this 493 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,400 is what I'm into. Why? 494 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,080 Because I carry a lot of shame and I'm very scared of anyone 495 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,120 finding out. That's not what I'm talking 496 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,080 about. I'm talking about introducing 497 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,720 this as a form of one sided open non monogamy and going from 498 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,320 starting from that step one and building it out from there. 499 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,360 And and like I mentioned before, non monogamy is not weird. 500 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,720 You see it on these dating profiles as it is. 501 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,520 It's not weird. It's all you have to say and 502 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,400 listen up and write this down. All you have to say is I am 503 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,960 looking for A1 sided open relationship where you get to 504 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,200 have the extra fun and we both really love it that way. 505 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,160 That is all you need to put on there. 506 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,240 And I promise you, you will get the lottery. 507 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,880 I promise you, you will. Those are the magic magic words. 508 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,800 Well, you're at least going to get curiosity from a woman 509 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,840 because that's those words are not weird. 510 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,920 They're not kinky strange words that she has no idea they are 511 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160 not like there's taboo or whatever. 512 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,320 It's she's good and you can even write on your profile. 513 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,400 Ask me more I'd love to tell you more about it and then have that 514 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,320 conversation. Do not bring up the word kink 515 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200 cuckolding. I don't know any of that shit. 516 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040 Like don't use that language, just simply frame it around A1 517 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,120 sided open relationship and that you both love it that way, 518 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,680 meaning you both get a lot of enjoyment out of it. 519 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,920 Stress the part that you really don't want the same kind of 520 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080 privilege that she has but that this is really about her. 521 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,960 And if you frame it like that, I mean that is a great place to 522 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,400 start. Not every woman is going to even 523 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,920 want to be curious about non monogamy. 524 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,280 I get it. There's a a lot of women out 525 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,760 there have this love affair with monogamy that is, you know, 526 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880 deeply ingrained since birth. And I get that. 527 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,680 But for the ladies who this might be something that they 528 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,600 could at least even learn about, then that would be a good 529 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,440 approach to do it. But until guys put that out 530 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,880 there on their profiles, we will never see women signing up for 531 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,200 this shit. We will never see it. 532 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440 And in on the same scale why women are not out there watching 533 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,200 cock porn. They're not. 534 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920 And they're not out there online. 535 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,040 They're not on Twitter. They're not single. 536 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,040 Women are just not out there looking into cuckolding like men 537 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,080 are. Men are do they are researching 538 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,120 this shit like it's a sport and the women simply are not. 539 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,240 So you, in order for women to get on board, you really do need 540 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,960 to sell this to them. I wanna say this, sell it to 541 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,840 them in a way that is female centered, female focused and all 542 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,080 about creating something together and not just about you 543 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,240 saying to her, oh, I really want to see you fuck some other 544 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,640 dudes. Like that's so hot. 545 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,360 She'd be like, what? So until that happens, we're 546 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,520 never gonna have women signing up for this on mass like we see 547 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,000 men wanting to do that. So there's some key, really key 548 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,240 factors that none of those factors that I just mentioned 549 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880 involve doing the work. That is something that you need 550 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,320 to just fucking do. And let me tell you, the guys 551 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,200 who I've come across over the years who have gone to therapy 552 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,480 and done the work and not just I don't see it work because 553 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,560 there's something wrong with you. 554 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,760 I mean, learning how to analyze your interior, yourself, your 555 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,560 behaviors, all of that sort of stuff. 556 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,440 And, and, and then learning the communication skills that you 557 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,440 fucking need in order to be able to explore this with your 558 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,480 partner. They you, when I come across 559 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,120 those guys, I'm like, I know already just by talking to them, 560 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:44,880 I'm like, you've done the work. I can tell. 561 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,840 So there is something that is not sexy, not fun, kind of 562 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,600 scary. Probably not not fun sounding at 563 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,440 all that you have to actually do. 564 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,520 So I I hope you get your hand out of your pants for long 565 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,720 enough to understand that this is so much more than just the 566 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,600 porn video you've been obsessing over for 15 years. 567 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,520 Man, I'll tell you what, she just gave you the golden ticket 568 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,120 to everything. For those of you who are 569 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,800 interested and have been frustrated because you can't 570 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,480 find a woman she gave you she gave you the whole ball of wax 571 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:28,520 right there. I don't I can't improve upon it. 572 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,400 She she told you exactly exactly because if you understood the 573 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,120 benefits that last beyond. I mean, I think a lot of these 574 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,159 men who are obsessing over trying to find a woman who will 575 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:45,239 do this. As you just so eloquently spoke 576 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,120 about having your hand in your pants. 577 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,000 If you get your hand out of your pants and try and understand 578 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,560 what the dynamic, the deeper things that are available to 579 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,760 you. Let's take shame. 580 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,480 She mentioned that shame. I've watched my husband who came 581 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560 from a deeply Catholic background. 582 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,240 He actually went spent a couple years in the seminary, Catholic 583 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,480 seminary. So how much guilt do you think 584 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,760 he had? And he and his wife were his 585 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,000 other wife was, they were swingers. 586 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,280 And he came to understand that they go to these parties and he 587 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,760 would just watch her because he, he wasn't so inclined, but he 588 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000 was deeply ashamed of that. So when he and I got together, 589 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,240 we, you know, I just said, hey, let's, let's excavate that. 590 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,000 Let's figure out what that's about, you know, because I 591 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,520 wanted him to be free of it. I wanted him to be free of it. 592 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,880 And so we played with it and we talked about it and, and I 593 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480 supported him. And that's where that we both 594 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,720 got into erotic humiliation because it makes sort of makes 595 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,120 fun of the stuff that you're embarrassed about. 596 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960 And all of a sudden it's not embarrassing anymore. 597 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,480 It's funny. And, and it just releases. 598 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,920 He has been released from his sexual shame. 599 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,360 And boy, if you don't think that's a load off your mind, if 600 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,480 that's what you're struggling with, there's a way out for you, 601 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,840 but the only way out is straight through and it's yours to do. 602 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:17,280 Don't expect that it's some woman's job to excavate that 603 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,680 from you. But if you get into a genuine 604 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,560 partnership and you're willing to look at your own stuff and 605 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,600 where you're embarrassed and where you're ashamed of 606 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,000 something and, and make a relationship, like a real 607 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,280 relationship with a real woman and talk about these things 608 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,480 openly, you have an excellent chance. 609 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,120 You have an excellent chance to be free for the first time in 610 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,360 your life. Possibly. 611 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120 I mean, I know my husband says the same thing that, that I've 612 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,280 said he never, ever imagined that he would find himself in a 613 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,120 position where he's so, you know, I am such a cheater and 614 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,640 he's so free at the same time. He's the one that feels free 615 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,160 'cause he's free in his mind. Yeah, he's free in his mind. 616 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:03,280 He, he, he just totally accepts. He is who he is. 617 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,520 And we both have fun with it and, and there's just an awful 618 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,280 lot of benefits. So I hope if you did not take 619 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,840 meticulous notes, I hope you go back and listen again and write 620 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:21,240 it down and keep reading it because she gave you the actual 621 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,560 process by which you can find everything that you've ever 622 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,760 wanted. But it's up to you. 623 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,600 Nobody's it's nobody's job to hand you this dynamic. 624 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,960 And if you and and and porn is not, I said porn is also not 625 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,040 gonna give it to you. Porn will give you the salacious 626 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,480 details, but that's not where the party really is. 627 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,800 That's not where the freedom really is. 628 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,080 That's not where the release of guilt and shame really is. 629 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,760 It's in these deeper relationships with an actual 630 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,040 woman. Yeah. 631 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,440 Well, one of the things that guys are most terrified about 632 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,440 that I've heard from them about is that if they do kind of lay 633 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,040 with the woman emotionally naked, like emotionally naked 634 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,520 with her will. And she know. 635 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,600 And she, you know, he shares all of these details about his 636 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,800 deepest darkest fantasies, desires, insecurities, fears, 637 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,080 all of these things that she will no longer respect him. 638 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,400 And and so he doesn't share these things. 639 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,680 He simply just wanks off to the fantasy about it and everything 640 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,600 like that. That's not doing the work. 641 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,080 You do this work together where you both lay emotionally naked. 642 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,800 The way you talked about excavating his mind, his 643 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,440 thoughts, his everything, his desires, that's the work. 644 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,360 When you lay there emotionally naked and you are just 645 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,480 completely vulnerable with each other. 646 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Just for the guys listening to that. 647 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,760 I know that sounds scary because like I said, like you're worried 648 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,440 that she's just not going to respect you anymore. 649 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,760 Let me tell you, if you are with a woman who loves you, loves 650 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:06,720 you, loves all of you, then she is not going to disrespect you 651 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,960 because you have bared your fucking soul like that. 652 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,120 If anything, as women, we understand the relevance of 653 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,120 that, we the importance of that, the courage behind that, and we 654 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:24,120 respect you even more after that, because that's how I felt 655 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:29,000 like when he, you know, had the courage to really tell, share 656 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:34,000 his deepest, darkest desires with me and he he felt safe 657 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,720 knowing that I wasn't going to judge him. 658 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,120 I just, I looked at this man and I was like, that is amazing what 659 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,480 you just did for us. Like you, you just shared that 660 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,200 like, and it made me feel like I could share whatever I, you 661 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,360 know, wanted with this person. You feel this deep level of 662 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,960 trust and safety with this person. 663 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,400 And that's like, think about it guys for one second. 664 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,760 OK, Just lean into that fear of, Oh no, she's not going to 665 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,120 respect me anymore. I'm just going to be 666 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,880 disrespected. And you know, she's not going to 667 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,520 look at me like I'm a real man. And you know, fuck that garbage. 668 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,680 Shove that shit out of your head and just fucking lean into it. 669 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,120 Lean into it, bear you fucking soul, I mean, and be in, you 670 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,040 know, vulnerable with your partner. 671 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,800 Communicate these things together and don't shy away from 672 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,800 it and look, lean into it and look what's on the other side. 673 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,320 Look what's on the other side. It's like this fucking 674 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,080 incredible. That's what I call next Gen. 675 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,480 next level love, trust and connection with a person. 676 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,440 And that's why this kind of relationship is really different 677 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,480 in my mind and my experience. You really do go to a different 678 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,600 level. You absolutely do. 679 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,560 And, and the benefits are on both sides. 680 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,880 The benefits are on both sides. Think about, you know, for the 681 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,960 women that might be listening, how would you value a man that 682 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,720 could actually be vulnerable and could actually be really honest 683 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,800 with who he is? You know, men are not trained to 684 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,960 deal with their emotions, not in Western civilizations, they're 685 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,800 not. They're supposed to be rough and 686 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,760 tough and not show emotion and, you know, be stoic all the time 687 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,120 and be the strong one and blah blah blah blah blah. 688 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,920 And you and you raise generation after generation after 689 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,160 generation of men who don't know how to feel and don't know how 690 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,880 to express and don't know how to, you know how to be who they 691 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,320 are. That's the work for all of us as 692 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,800 a society, as a culture that we have to unravel. 693 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,920 And I'm not suggesting that we're all gonna turn out to be 694 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,440 consensually non monogamous in some way or the other. 695 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,920 But I'll tell you what a growing percentage is for a lot of 696 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,080 reasons that we've talked about. But you can't get there unless 697 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,440 you're willing to actually be vulnerable and do the work and 698 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,000 do the work. It is work and it's ongoing 699 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,600 work. It's not like you just do it one 700 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,240 time and bang, you know the world falls at your lap. 701 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,480 But also, it's absolutely never gonna happen. 702 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,720 If you're expecting some woman, some enlightened woman like 703 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,760 Venus, to come and lay this on you and make it easy for you, it 704 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,360 isn't gonna happen that way. Not now, not ever. 705 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,960 So if you want somebody like her, do the work. 706 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,120 She's worth it. Yeah, and even, you know, just 707 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,400 I'm this is crazy. Like, I still get ghosted on the 708 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960 regular. I rarely do, you know, reinvest 709 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,120 my time on anyone anymore when it comes to dating because, 710 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,040 like, this has been such a shitty experience for me. 711 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,400 But you know, I do have a matchmaking service. 712 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,920 I do meet single guys. I have met some of them in 713 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,800 person and some of them have been really awesome. 714 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,960 But at the end of the day, let's face it, like it's really 715 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,800 difficult to find love as it is. You're really you're but you 716 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,720 know, you're, you're it's so hard. 717 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,120 You know, you're you're fucking, you're just waiting to feel that 718 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,360 kind of the sparks and you're not. 719 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,720 And you're like a damn there's there's only like friend vibes 720 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,480 happening and like how shitty is that? 721 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,960 But that's the way it is. You know, you can line 722 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,800 everything up on paper as far as your preferences and your 723 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,840 fantasies and everything like that, but you need to meet in 724 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,880 person and you know, like there could be nothing. 725 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,240 Well, that's, you know, that's a whole other issue. 726 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,800 And I think that's, you know, that's also endemic in our 727 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,120 society. You know, you, you, you see it 728 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,560 written everywhere. You know, the frustrations that 729 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,280 men have with women, women have with men and they're not getting 730 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,040 together. And, you know, the young men in 731 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,760 our culture are just there's a couple of lost generations out 732 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,520 there. They don't wanna date. 733 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,400 They don't ever wanna marry. They don't ever wanna have kids. 734 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,800 They don't, you know, they're not willing to even even 735 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,680 consider all of that. And so, so it isn't easy. 736 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:46,200 It isn't easy even if you were just a plain old straight up 737 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,440 monogamous person. None of it is easy. 738 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,320 And this adds an element of complexity that makes it even 739 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,760 harder. I'm just saying that it's worth 740 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000 it. That's all I can say is it's 741 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,240 worth it. And to not give up and not let 742 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:06,440 people like Venus get cynical because you act shitty. 743 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,800 Don't do it. You know, it drives good women 744 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,160 out of the lifestyle permanently. 745 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,240 And then there's gonna be even less for you to wink to. 746 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,720 Yeah. So get your hand out of your 747 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:23,920 pants, play this podcast over again, take notes, and then 748 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,640 start working on yourself because it's just worth it. 749 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,920 It's worth it. It is worth it. 750 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,720 And when you do find that person who you've approached them in a 751 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,360 respectful way and you have built a relationship before 752 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,880 incorporating all of these, you know, sexual desires and stuff, 753 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,560 you really, you know, got the framework for this relationship 754 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,760 set and built and done before you jump into things together. 755 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,400 You've done the work on yourself When you have done all of that, 756 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,400 Oh my God, the fucking joy of a life that you can create 757 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,520 together. The fantasies that you guys can 758 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,520 both like fulfill together are, you know, the Sky's the limit 759 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,960 and that's where all of the fun is. 760 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040 But it doesn't just fucking fall in your lap. 761 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,720 Like you need to actually do this purposely in a way that is 762 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,840 respectful, respects people's time and and be genuine. 763 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,360 Be authentic, be yourself. Because you cannot start a 764 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,680 relationship with mistrust and dishonesty. 765 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,120 Be you're going to have to. Yeah, I know there's a lot of 766 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,520 women out there who prey on single cocks who just want to 767 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,640 extort you or blackmail you or whatever. 768 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,880 There's some shady ass shit going on out there. 769 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,600 And I get it. Like there's a lot. 770 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,400 But at some point, at some point, you're going to have to 771 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:49,800 just trust your intuition and go for it and be who you are and, 772 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,880 you know, put it out there because like I said, you can't 773 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,200 start a relationship with dishonesty. 774 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,760 And that's the reason why in my matchmaking service, it is 775 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,560 private. So nobody, there's no scrolling 776 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,880 through profiles or anything like that. 777 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,000 But you do have to tell me your fucking real name, your address, 778 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,240 everything about you. I need to know all of it. 779 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:11,560 And if you lie, you get kicked out of the program. 780 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,120 And that's super uncomfortable for lots of people who've been 781 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,280 used to, you know, holding down privacy as, like, you know, the 782 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,280 most important thing. I get it. 783 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,360 But I'm gonna have to push you out of your comfort zone if 784 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,280 you're gonna date. Well, that's, that's a service 785 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,920 even bigger than you can imagine that just the fact that somebody 786 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,080 would go through that screening process and, and confront 787 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,680 themselves to that extent. But ask yourself a question, 788 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:45,640 what am I expecting here if I can't go to a legitimate, you 789 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,400 know, matchmaking service and feel like I can be honest at the 790 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,640 most basic level there. Who am I kidding? 791 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,680 I'm not looking for a relationship. 792 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,680 You're fooling yourself. You're just fooling yourself. 793 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:05,160 So wake up and I want you to. Why don't you tell us where they 794 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,640 can find you Venus, and where they can find your matchmaking 795 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,200 service so that so that they can jump on and see if they have 796 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,280 what it takes to get through the interview process. 797 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,600 Well, that's the thing, it is a bit of a, it's been a great 798 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,480 filter in filtering out the guys who really and the women who 799 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,440 shouldn't be, who should not be dating. 800 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,920 Because you have to, you know, buy a membership. 801 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,560 You have to fill out a detailed questionnaire. 802 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,640 You have to do a three-week course. 803 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,920 You have to have an interview with me and show up for it. 804 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,560 And if you don't show up, you get kicked out. 805 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,720 If there's actually, like I say, basic fucking rules, but that, 806 00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:44,240 you know, you be honest, that you show up, that you put in 807 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,720 effort and if you don't, you get kicked out of the program. 808 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:49,600 That's as simple as it is. But it's been a great filter for 809 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600 that. So all of the blades, the dates 810 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,640 are blind dates and they're all on Zoom. 811 00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,120 And, and like, yeah, there's, there's a ton of guys looking 812 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,720 for it. There's not many women. 813 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,760 However, in there's two programs. 814 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,200 There's the cuckolding program, lots of dudes, not a lot of 815 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,720 women. There's the female lead, which 816 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,160 is no cuck holding. It's a smaller program because 817 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,680 it's still pretty new, but the gender ratio is totally totally 818 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,400 the opposite. There's tons of women and not 819 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,520 very many men, so it is not fascinating. 820 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,720 I'm like, when it comes to men having their sexual fantasy 821 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,760 fulfilled, this is really important and they'll sign up 822 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,760 for Venus Connections cuckolding program. 823 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,720 But when it comes to putting a woman first in a relationship, 824 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,800 they're not as likely to sign up for for that. 825 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,760 So this is not surprising. Somehow, somehow this is not 826 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,720 surprising. Well, you think, you know, think 827 00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,400 about it. We've got thousands of years of 828 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:51,240 history of very strict religious expectations and, and moral 829 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,560 leanings that have said that you, you must get married and 830 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,080 never have another lover ever in your life. 831 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,080 And, and our society is in the process. 832 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,520 I think what it feels like to me, we're in the process of 833 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,680 starting to break that apart, but we're also up against 834 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,280 thousands of years of history. So this isn't gonna happen 835 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,200 overnight. It's gonna happen person by 836 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,040 person, step by step, you know, And it takes you've, you've got 837 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,880 to take a step in the direction of what you actually want if you 838 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,120 ever hope to get there. Yeah, the website for Venus 839 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,360 Connections is venusconnections.com. 840 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,000 Super simple. And then for my website and my 841 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000 podcast and my booking private chats with me and stuff like 842 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,360 that is venuscuckolddress.com. So everything else is on there. 843 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,680 And we will have all of that information in the show notes so 844 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,040 that you could, if, if you didn't copy it down, you can go 845 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,560 back and get it. But please listen to this again 846 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,040 and take notes. If you didn't the first time, 847 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,320 'cause I know you suckers did not take notes and you need to 848 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,360 'cause she gave you the keys to the Kingdom, you better take 849 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,800 notes on it. So thank you so much, Venus. 850 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,640 It was just wonderful as always talking to you. 851 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,800 And you're just a fount of knowledge and wisdom, and I 852 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,400 cannot tolerate the fact that you might get cynical about this 853 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,120 because you are a joy and will be a gem for somebody if we can 854 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,040 just filter through the riff raff enough to find them. 855 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,240 Thank you. There's somebody out there for 856 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,440 you. I'm sure of it. 857 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,280 I'm just sure of it. Thank you so much, Crystal. 858 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,640 Thanks for having me on the show. 859 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,600 All right, talk to you another time.