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Welcome back to a better world. 
This is your host Mitchell, J 

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Raven and we're very glad that 
you are joining us again today. 

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We're going to have another 
very, very interesting show. 

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We have the honor and the 
privilege of having bug of and 

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us on with us. 
But Landis is known in his own, 

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right? 
And is also very well known as a

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result of his introducing. 
Richard Alpert, the psychologist

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from Harvard, at the time, to 
his Guru, which led Richard 

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upper to change of name, change 
of heart, and a change of soul 

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and was known as Baba. 
Ram, Dass from Be here now Fame 

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and much Fame even thereafter. 
So we were going to be speaking 

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with bhagwan Das and we're also 
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some chanting with us which he 
does so beautifully. 

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And in fact I had a chance to be
with him yesterday in a workshop

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and he totally set the room on 
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And so it was based on that that
we've really wanted him to come 

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and be on our show. 
So on that note, welcome, thank 

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you so much. 
Thank you. 

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Absolutely. 
So first of all, if you would 

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just give us a little history if
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That you your life went and 
flowed into this direction, then

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any number of other directions 
that it might have floated into 

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In other words, you didn't 
become a stockbroker, right? 

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You didn't become any number of 
other things that the world has 

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to offer. 
Well, I tried a lot of different

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things you did. 
Yes, I did a lot of different 

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things. 
Yes, I was like why I sold 

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Insurance really? 
Yes, I was in insurance agent. 

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You know? 
It's funny to I'm just 

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interrupting you for a moment 
chögyam. 

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Trungpa rinpoche teacher said 
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most likely be an insurance 
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Ha ha. 
Are you from New Jersey? 

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No, probably gonna be. 
Oh well you got half of it. 

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All right. 
Yeah. 

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So you did that for a while. 
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So cars sold Encyclopedia 
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work and was a Headhunter. 
So lots of sales now, your soul 

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Hunter, I'm a solo. 
So you did lots of things. 

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Like that. 
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experience them as empty as not.
Well, I didn't, I gave it all, I

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gave it my all, but there seemed
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play in the drama. 
Well, if you are, what was the 

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way in which you came to know 
that Well, I came to know it 

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because there didn't feel to be.
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didn't really feel that I was 
being myself when I was doing 

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those things. 
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that I really didn't fit in and 
that everybody knew that I 

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really wasn't one of them. 
I had that feeling mmm-hmm, but 

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they do that thing on the 
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I was on the outside of their 
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comfortable for me. 
So it was the wrong part in the 

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play for me to play and it's 
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is that we are supposed to be in
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Like it's like an actor picking 
up a mask, we find our masks and

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our part. 
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because this is the Drama that 
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and we get what we want and that
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So how is it that you came to 
this particular mask and this 

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particular role? 
Well I kind of stumbled upon it.

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You just tell us a little bit 
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a growing up in Southern 
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spending a lot of time surfing 
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high school and did a lot of art
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poetry and started playing folk 
music and was listening to Bob 

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Dylan. 
And John bias in those days and 

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reading existentialism. 
And what happened was I wanted 

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to start traveling to Europe and
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out of high school. 
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after it was a week after 
Kennedy was shot. 

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No, I left. 
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was released. 
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me out of this country and into 
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meaning of life because I didn't
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experienced around me at the 
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So, but what is it? 
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into the Indian way? 
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1964. 
When I asked, yeah, actually to 

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tell you that. 
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much right history? 
As much as what happened inside 

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you. 
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Well, how'd you make a shift 
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I had an experience of what 
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And I had, I was reading the 
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time and it was a full moon 
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of place of Terror inside and 
realize that I needed to find 

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out what was going on in my life
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And that, the way to find that 
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India. 
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teachers lived. 
Who could teach me how to live? 

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That's so that's what really 
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that inner feeling of of 
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The fear of powerful motivator, 
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Really confronted death that 
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meditating that night I full 
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pretty much the next day or two 
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said I would find what I was 
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where all the saints lift and 
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And I wanted to connect with a 
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Yeah. 
And you did and I do right and 

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we can't a student and have thin
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Those teachings. 
Imagine really ever since right?

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And I'm a student yeah. 
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I think it's important to really
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because that's what What keeps 
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Learning new things all the 
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It's very dangerous to to Really
forget that we're always a 

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student that we really learn 
from every kind of like that 

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every day. 
The best teacher is an excellent

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student. 
You have to be. 

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Yeah. 
Do you know everyone wants to be

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the teacher and the guru but we 
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People to really have that 
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It's the teacher's sure. 
And that's what opens your heart

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and your Consciousness to your. 
You see the teachings in life, 

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that everyday life gives us. 
This is. 

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So, there are many people who 
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anyone teacher or Guru in a 
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that really situations with a 
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person in the situation in which
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teaching. 
What do you think and feel about

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that? 
That's true. 

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I mean, whatever we perceive to 
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And the Tibetans talk about 
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two-fold way, there's relative 
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relative truth means that 
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So if that's what you feel, 
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that is what works for you. 
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is a very high state of 
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situations as the guru and 
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And I think that there's a lot 
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understanding that comes about 
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understanding. 
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the very cells of your body and 
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So it's always good. 
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understanding that's available 
and Rise. 

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Well, what you're saying you 
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Yeah, I mean we can't always 
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we'd like to like the American 
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greatest and we want the 
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Country. 
Teaching said for laying 

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groundwork, right? 
As an example, Be right. 

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And so, there's a lot of 
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place because there's no 
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There's no, there's nothing 
built to hold the energy, right?

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So it ends up too much and 
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They can't hold it, right? 
And that's, and there's a lot of

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independent ship, right. 
And they throw it all out and 

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then they go off and just 
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Of business or whatever, and 
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spiritual, ideals, or spiritual 
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Was something that they did 
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It's really didn't work. 
Did it, didn't work. 

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So, now I'm just kidding. 
I did, you know, did that kind 

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of attitude? 
Very funny, right? 

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And now, they're getting on with
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That's right. 
It's a casualty and it's a 

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right, that would happen, very 
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Predicated on the instant 
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Right? 
Also it's another piece of the 

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puzzle. 
Yeah, because the spiritual path

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is a very dangerous path. 
It's it takes tremendous courage

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and It's not something that you 
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It's not a hobby, it's not a 
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It is a shedding of layer after 
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and like st. 
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and that dying daily is 
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Yeah, that we can then have a 
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consciousness. 
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lose our heads. 
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And it's hard to surrender to 
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And to life. 
That's a high State. 

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Yes, you say. 
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Unless we're really there, it's 
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to have a form of the Sacred, or
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Mother Mary First of all because
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our Western tradition and 
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They have meaning mostly - to 
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find a form that you resonate. 
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to find - well no you don't want
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need to make peace with the form
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Buddha, or the form is one of 
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simply a candle or a glass of 
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I really recommend that one 
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and in we invite the Divine to 
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acknowledge it surrender to it 
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into our own hearts. 
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happens is you start to create 
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Of a daily spiritual practice 
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for a short time that it starts 
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So what we put other things into
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you're not, what would you be 
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And no doubt. 
Many of them already have 

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various spiritual practices and 
disciplines, perhaps many don't,

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or many have some that they 
don't feel together at home with

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your outlining. 
Some very kind of simple and 

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Basic possibilities that people 
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with, could you just go on about
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So maybe. 
Yes. 

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Well, we hear this and form it 
shaped it for themselves, right?

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The form of worship that I think
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And this time of the Kali Yuga, 
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of Darkness that we're living in
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Because the the female form of 
divinity is very powerful now 

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and manifesting itself and I 
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we honor the women and learn 
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energy is the mother and it's 
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So this is a tremendous door and
a very easy pass. 24 people 

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because the Divine mother really
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situations and in all form. 
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attitude of respect paying 
attention to our lives and 

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what's going on around us and 
feeling the spaciousness or the 

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openness of wherever we're at 
two as being the Divine mother 

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because that's what she is. 
She's an openness space space 

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rather than a closed off. 
This is how it is type of 

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attitude and then you have this 
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right? 
It's water, meaning. 

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God exact water, right? 
It's open. 

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relates to that. 
When you're loving and open and 

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genuinely, they're in the moment
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respond back with you. 
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Fulfillment in that the way 
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tool and she's worshipped in all
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Well what you brought forth 
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Our group through sound music 
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soul that created openness and 
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much more of a Situation on 
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and right? 
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really kind of opened our 
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sound is it's very primordial 
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it. 
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with people is that the sound of
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Like, we all love to talk. 
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voices. 
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attachment. 
To take the sound back to the 

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source of sound, beyond the Mind
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and it's called Nadi yoga. 
It's the yoga of sound. 

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Could you meet us through some 
of that? 

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Now, sure us here, as well as 
for rough. 

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Yes. 
It's wonderful to do some decent

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Tony and chatting. 
Okay. 

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Okay. 
Yeah, unless there's something 

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else that you want to say. 
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it the Devotion to poke the 
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names of the holy mother is, 
what mantras are. 

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And the mantras are like keys 
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the door and they defined 
Mantra. 

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Mantra means a word that is from
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Heard through Shruti by rishi's 
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States. 
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the mind it is, it is a gift 
that has been revealed to them 

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and these mantras have the, with
devotion have the ability to 

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purify the mind. 
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take one beyond the mind and the
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voice, creates a resonance in 
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Like a dome and that resonance 
like a theater, really, right. 

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It's like you engage the Mantra 
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So you're not really chanting 
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You're basically engaging it and
getting it to start to Like a 

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Prayer wheel move and you inside
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So the form of naughty yoga is 
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Out as the sound being her form.
It's also a very subtle way to 

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worship her too but it works. 
Mmm. 

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Wonderful. 
But maybe when we after we do so

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you can speak more. 
Sure about either the 

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relationship of the stack. 
Different sounds to the chakras.

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Yeah. 
Whatever you want. 

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She was. 
No. 

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Shiva. 
She was. 

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She writes, shivaya. shivaya 
namah Shiraz. 

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Shiraz. 
That's the only time I'm ever 

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speechless. 
It's beautiful. 

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Could you share with us some 
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through yesterday that you were 
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Which was the sounds that are 
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the effects that they are having
on us? 

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I know we don't have as much 
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perhaps we could, you could do a
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version. 
Sure it's impossible. 

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Sure. 
Okay. 

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I wanted to say a few things 
about this. 

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Mantra open the mushy vie. 
Om namah shivaya the meaning of 

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om namah shivaya needs to really
be realized by yourself. 

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It's important that we really 
understand things not with our 

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minds, but with our being 
almost, we need to understand 

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things with our bones. 
We need to really get into the 

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morrow of our bones opening. 
My shivaya must reveal itself to

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you but it on as a concept it 
means I bow down to Lord Shiva 

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who is Is the destroyer in the 
Hindu Trinity destroyer of 

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Illusion and he who takes away 
or Harlem takes away the ego 

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clinging of our conceptual mind.
Therefore relieving us of the 

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burden of trying to figure it 
out. 

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Shiva is traditionally picture. 
And as like, Lord Buddha always 

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in meditation because he's the 
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Hindu Trinity, the Creator is 
Brahma and Vishnu is the 

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preserving energy, shiva's the 
destroying energy. 

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And he destroys the illusion 
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creation, Maya Maya and gives 
the ability to realize and see 

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that all the individual souls 
are Shiva. 

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So we see the Ottoman and 
everything and everyone and this

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is what Namaste or namaskar 
means Namaste. 

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I worship the God within you. 
So this is Lord Shiva and I'm 

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namasivaya, it's beautiful. 
Good show me something to live 

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with yes. 
And it's a very powerful Mantra.

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Yeah. 
And it works to transcend, So I 

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recommend it. 
Yes, good. 

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Yes. 
There are many different 

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Melodies some yes whatever. 
Yeah, the melody is not. 

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As important is, the sincerity 
sincerity is probably the most 

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important part of the spiritual 
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It's important to give up our 
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about other people. 
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And not to build the Empire Vigo
stronger and higher. 

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We're at generosity and service 
to that. 

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Well yeah I mean we're we're 
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And we need to remember that. 
That life is impermanent and 

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it's very fleeting. 
And we need to always sees the 

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opportunity to do good for 
others. 

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And for ourselves there by doing
for ourselves. 

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Because when you think of think 
about this, when the most happy 

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you are, is when you're out of 
yourself, we're not thinking of 

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yourself. 
You're the most happy when we're

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totally absorbed in what we're 
doing. 

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We're very happy when we're 
thinking about ourselves, we're 

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worried Do I have health 
insurance? 

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What happens if I can't pay the 
rent, does she love me? 

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Does he love me? 
Should I have a baby? 

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You know, and it goes on and on 
and we just listening to the 

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chatter of our minds and it 
makes people crazy. 

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That's why there's so much 
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the Western world's. 
There's not so much mental 

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illness in the third world, 
people are too busy. 

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Just doing living life, like, 
carrying water, and trying to 

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chop with a The chop wood, if 
they could find what's right. 

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But just doing it, you know, 
being in a body. 

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They're so busy just doing that.
They don't have time to be 

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mentally ill. 
We have a lot of time to be 

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mentally ill. 
See what Leisure has like is we 

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indulgent mental illness. 
Yes, this is what Leisure has 

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brought us, right? 
The world and it becomes more 

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complicated and the speed makes 
people really. 

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Erotic, because they move too 
fast. 

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And yeah, it's important to slow
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What's a relationship to that? 
What you're just saying? 

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And the feeling that we have of 
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this particular juncture, Well, 
I think we're coming to a we're 

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definitely coming to like the 
sort of Turning Point and but 

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you know again it's not a 
phenomena outside of ourselves, 

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it's really a turning of our 
Consciousness and but it is sort

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of in a way happening in a 
collective way around the world 

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because we've overburdened the 
planet and the Divine mother is 

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having a hard time supporting 
us. 

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On her holy body and we need to 
lessen the load for her. 

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How do you feel that we can do 
that by by being generous? 

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And by letting our each other to
each other and by letting 

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ourselves have the love that we 
are and stop pushing the love 

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away from us. 
And start just being for a 

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change instead of becoming we're
so busy. 

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Becoming we don't give ourselves
time out to be to breathe. 

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Yeah, to psi to really feel the 
feeling, We're too busy doing, 

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right? 
We're living in the future. 

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Right instead of now, right? 
So find ways to do that, which 

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is have a daily spiritual 
practice, which is time out, 

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just sit down and, you know, be 
with your breath. 

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And the breath is a beautiful 
form of the Divine mother to 

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worship worship your own breath.
As the Divine mother, someone 

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was saying the other night at 
dinner. 

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That one of the characteristics 
of God is Simplicity and just to

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bring some placidia into your 
life, whether it's your bedroom 

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or your desk red table, just 
order it and and clean it. 

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And simplify Just one or two 
little pockets of your life, is 

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already bringing you closer to a
sense of godliness. 

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Yes. 
Yeah, yeah, it's much more 

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simple than, than than really, 
it's made out to be. 

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Yeah, it's really, really, 
really simple. 

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Yeah, it really comes down to 
two. 

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Just really being loved because 
that's what we are. 

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Yeah, we are loved. 
And that's what that's really 

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what it is. 
And it's all such a funny game, 

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isn't it? 
Yeah. 

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It's all that, you know, one 
simple answer, the Maya of the 

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Divine mother is very powerful 
and it's like the spell is cast 

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upon us, and the spell is of our
own making. 

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It's a funny thing because I 
look at things that this way 

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that on the one hand. 
First of all, what you're 

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saying, I believe is completely,
right? 

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And true that we are loved and 
we were here to love one another

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and to enjoy. 
Each other and to give to one 

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another, and when we're not 
focusing on self, we're 

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happiest, right? 
We're abandoning self in a way. 

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We're outside of self making 
ourselves available to someone 

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else and that were separate the 
first place is the first laughs,

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you know. 
And so when you realize that, 

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then you can really be in 
service in a real full hearted 

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way. 
I also see Life as a very 

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beautiful and even Amazingly 
organized thing where you can 

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look around and see that there 
is incredible complexity within 

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the Simplicity, right? 
There's extraordinary complexity

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when you look at nature and the 
whole design of Mother Earth and

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God knows everywhere else for 
it. 

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But if you were standing on 
complex ground, looking at 

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complexity, you're in trouble 
because you're never going to 

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find Simplicity. 
But if you're standing on, 

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Simple ground looking at and 
beholding complexity, then you 

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can really enjoy it. 
You have something like a 

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reference. 
You spoke about absolute truth 

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before who didst and relative 
truth in. 

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This is more in the domain of 
absolute truth. 

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But after something that is 
truly simple at Heart from which

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we can enjoy the entire play of 
it all. 

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Does that make sense? 
Yes. 

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Right. 
And that is what love is, which 

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then becomes compassion. 
True compassion? 

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Yeah, which is not just 
sentimental love right? 

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But sometimes is it's a kick in 
the butt. 

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Yeah. 
Different Cora. 

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Bop on the head? 
Sure. 

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Or a response that awakens us. 
That's right, that's right. 

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That's so commonly comes in and 
that's where Kali comes in and 

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she I want to say a few words 
have just the well Kali is Kali 

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is the form of God that I 
worship. 

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And she protects me. 
Kali is the black goddess. 

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And she is black because she 
takes away the Blackness that is

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in our lives. 
She eats the negativity and 

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transforms it into Well into 
energy that we can use to to do 

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actually have a non dual 
relationship with with all it 

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is, so that there's not two, 
there's really just one she 

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enables us to be Fearless in our
lives and have the courage to 

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love. 
This is what she is. 

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She's very Fierce looking to the
ego and she's very scary, but 

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but that is because she destroys
our minds and the monkey came 

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across. 
The monkey mind, the chatter 

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mind. 
And she she drinks the blood of 

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our ego and transforms us. 
Yeah. 

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Deeply. 
So that we she brings up the 

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shadow issues. 
That we need to deal with and 

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she is the goddess of total 
Beauty because it's all a 

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blessing if you see it that way.
Yes. 

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And death is a great blessing. 
Mmm, great blessing. 

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Carl Jung used to say bubble on 
that people who killed 

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themselves were cheating, they 
were taking a glimpse into the 

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great mystery. 
Prematurely that's a great. 

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It was sort of like don't open 
your presents before Christmas. 

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Ha ha you'll get your turn, 
right? 

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Just so in a way it's like all 
of our life is prepare as to 

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prepare ourselves for this 
wonderful experience of dying. 

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Yeah, it's really exciting. 
That happened to me when I read 

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00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,400
the Tibetan Book of the Dead two
major transformation just 

456
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,100
honking at life. 
From that vantage point, My 

457
00:43:08,100 --> 00:43:12,800
life's really never been the 
same since I just can't right 

458
00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:17,000
level of appreciation of what 
death really is. 

459
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,700
But now that I know what it is 
now but I have some great sense 

460
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:25,800
of what it's not right? 
Which is there no your your 

461
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,500
conventional picturing right? 
Well as long as we're afraid of 

462
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:33,700
death and we separated from 
life, we can't live because 

463
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:38,300
we're we're living in that 
Duality and It's very painful, 

464
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:41,700
right time. 
There's always us against them, 

465
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,400
and it's always split. 
That's right. 

466
00:43:44,500 --> 00:43:46,500
That's right, traveling, 
polarity. 

467
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,800
And it will always come in and 
bite you in the end. 

468
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,900
Yeah, your Shadow. 
Mmm. 

469
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,100
Right. 
So it's good to embrace it and 

470
00:43:54,100 --> 00:43:57,000
Kali. 
Helps she erase it now. 

471
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,000
Yeah, in Braithwaite. 
Not know the way not because 

472
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,500
when we never know, when it's 
going to come. 

473
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,000
Yeah. 
And since she has this anyway in

474
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:12,900
the It's the she is death and no
one escapes death. 

475
00:44:14,700 --> 00:44:23,700
And if we surrender to her now 
then she liberates us now and in

476
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:25,500
the after death State. 
Yeah. 

477
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,100
From what from our own Darkness 
that's why she looks dark. 

478
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,900
Yeah she's not really dark Kali 
is like a sky like the sky is 

479
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:36,600
dark. 
Right? 

480
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,900
Like when it's getting dark like
a sunset but it's the sky. 

481
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:42,300
Is it really dark like the water
is in blue? 

482
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,600
From a distance this fluid or 
darshan's, but when you get 

483
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,000
close to it, it's transparent. 
So Kali is really transparent. 

484
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:58,100
And she's really, she's a really
fun person. 

485
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:02,900
Well, I really like, I really 
enjoyed a lot getting more 

486
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,900
intimate with her. 
Well yeah, she is. 

487
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,000
She's a really I love her a lot.
She's my inspiration. 

488
00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,100
Yeah. 
And protection. 

489
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,600
Would you be willing to share 
some more music? 

490
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Sure. 
Would you like me to do the 

491
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,100
chakras which and go through 
them? 

492
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:23,400
Yes, okay. 
This is called Buddhist City. 

493
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,800
It's the just telling us we have
another about 15 minutes. 

494
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Okay under that. 
Okay so okay these are the it's 

495
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,400
called the purification of the 
elements. 

496
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Actually, what it is is it's 
dying. 

497
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:43,000
It's a meditation on death 
because what happens when you 

498
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,700
die is that the element start to
dissolve in your body, first of 

499
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:53,500
all, you start to feel really 
heavy and oh Oppressed when the 

500
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:57,200
Earth element comes into play 
and then when the Earth element 

501
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,500
dissolves, the water element 
takes over and you feel really 

502
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:07,300
cold or hot and you shiver and 
water happens. 

503
00:46:07,300 --> 00:46:11,000
And then the fire element starts
to dissolve and then the air 

504
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,600
element. 
And finally, you go into The 

505
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,700
Ether and hearing becomes very, 
very loud and sound start to 

506
00:46:20,707 --> 00:46:26,700
take on a hallucinatory form 
Book of the Dead. 

507
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,700
And it's also what happens when 
the Kundalini rises from the 

508
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:37,200
lowest chakra which is moved our
the Earth up to the crown of the

509
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,100
head and this is the symbology 
to of the hair. 

510
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,700
Top. 
It's a symbol of pulling the 

511
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:49,100
energy up and this is Lord, 
Shiva sitting on the top of the 

512
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:50,900
other. 
And this is the point of 

513
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:56,600
meditation where the spirit, 
descends right about here, or 

514
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600
almost like a cloud. 
It stays here. 

515
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:01,800
It's a point. 
It's a focus. 

516
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,700
It's a point of do, put your 
Consciousness. 

517
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,800
So that's really what all these 
things are to is there are tools

518
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,400
to focus our awareness, sort of 
like the Jews wear a yarmulke. 

519
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,800
Yeah. 
To exalt us the relationship 

520
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,500
between Heaven and Earth and 
now, right? 

521
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,900
So if you focus with me on the 
muladhara, And sit up straight. 

522
00:47:30,700 --> 00:47:38,900
And feel the spinal cord 
suspended and feel the river of 

523
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:43,400
energy flowing up and down your 
spine from the back of your 

524
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,600
neck, into the ocean of your 
skull cup. 

525
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:57,600
Down to the square at the root 
of your spine, move it up. 

526
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,500
Well, the DAR is a square yellow
Square, the very base of the 

527
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:10,800
spine in this. 
Yellow square is a red triangle.

528
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:18,000
The point downward in the red 
triangle is Lord Ganesh. 

529
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,300
The issues, the elephant headed,
god of wisdom, he is the 

530
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:33,200
guardian of the gate, we invoke 
in ish to remove the obstacle so

531
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,500
that the Kundalini can be 
aroused and awakened. 

532
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:46,000
The obstacle is our mind. 
The seed syllable of muladhara 

533
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:52,000
is love. 
Love. 

534
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,900
Look. 
Love. 

535
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:06,000
Love. 
Love. 

536
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,900
Love. 
Love. 

537
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:24,000
Love from the Earth element, the
water element in the SWAT. 

538
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,200
This time, the sexual energy 
which is fantasy and the astral 

539
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:38,200
world. 
This is the sense. 

540
00:49:39,700 --> 00:49:49,100
Of taste and the Crescent Moon 
is the symbol of swagger star. 

541
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:57,500
It's a white crescent moon. 
The seed syllable of swathi star

542
00:49:58,700 --> 00:50:14,400
Bob Bob. 
Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob. 

543
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Bob. 
Bob. 

544
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:38,700
Bob Bob. 
The water and the steals with 

545
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:41,700
our tears. 
When the rain with the ocean 

546
00:50:41,700 --> 00:50:50,100
with a river water, the water 
dissolves and fire of the solar 

547
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:54,500
plexus money poor. 
This is called the city of 

548
00:50:54,500 --> 00:51:02,700
jewels and the solar plexus. 
It's a triangle pointing upwards

549
00:51:02,900 --> 00:51:08,900
and it's the fire element body. 
It is our digestion or 

550
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:11,100
nourishment. 
When we take in, which 

551
00:51:11,100 --> 00:51:16,800
transforms through the fire and 
the seed syllable of this chakra

552
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:29,700
is Rob. 
Rob, Rob, Rob Rob. 

553
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,400
Rah. 
Rah. 

554
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:41,100
Rah, rah. 
Rah. 

555
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,300
Rock. 
God. 

556
00:51:51,600 --> 00:52:03,400
Bravo, bravo bravo. 
Fire moves into the heart with 

557
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:09,600
the air. 
All the heart is the unstruck 

558
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:23,700
sound the heart, chakra. 
The deer is the vehicle and 

559
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:30,300
hearing the sound, is the sensor
on a heart is Young. 

560
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,200
It's the Star of David or the 
six-pointed triangle. 

561
00:52:35,300 --> 00:52:41,600
All entwined yob. 
Yeah. 

562
00:52:44,100 --> 00:52:53,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

563
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,200
Duh. 
Yeah. 

564
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:10,500
Your dog, dog. 
Yeah. 

565
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:23,400
The throat is Lord Shiva The 
Ether blue crystal blue light 

566
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:32,500
puzzle blue sunrise. 
Sunset blue purple haze. 

567
00:53:33,700 --> 00:53:41,600
Sheba the sugar the ever pure 
one hub. 

568
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,700
The syllable is the Bindu 
Circle. 

569
00:53:49,100 --> 00:54:02,300
Still round circle how hot hot 
hot. 

570
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:13,900
How, how, how? 
Ha ha ha. 

571
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Ha ha. 
Huh. 

572
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Uh-huh. 
Uh-huh. 

573
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:42,700
Uh-huh, Agia is the third eye to
Petal Lotus. 

574
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:49,200
This is gue Rue. 
This is where the inner Guru or 

575
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,800
the remover of the goo, which is
what Guru is. 

576
00:54:54,100 --> 00:55:01,200
The GU is Darkness ruis removal.
So, unless they go removes the 

577
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:10,600
darkness, there's not a guru, 
the behind the forehead is argue

578
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,200
chocolate. 
This is the realm of the vision,

579
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:25,500
the high state, where we get the
Divine knowledge, some Huh. 

580
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:33,000
Huh. 
Huh. 

581
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,700
Huh. 
Huh. 

582
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:42,700
Huh. 
Huh! 

583
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:51,300
Huh. 
Huh! 

584
00:55:54,100 --> 00:56:04,700
Huh. 
The Divine Serpent of the holy 

585
00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:09,500
mother ascends to the top of the
head sahasrara. 

586
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:20,200
The 10,000 had Lotus, the 
rainbow the seed syllable. 

587
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:36,600
Is she? 
She 

588
00:56:51,300 --> 00:57:35,800
Hey. 
Back to the heart. 

589
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,500
Talk about and us. 
I don't know how to thank you. 

590
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:03,400
But did you do happy to? 
Happy. 

591
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Share with. 
With us all, it's all us. 

592
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,500
Beautiful. 
Well, you will have reached many

593
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:21,700
people time off. 
So thank you again. 

594
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:23,900
And again, for me. 
Get another chance. 

595
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,100
I'd love to have you Thanking us
again. 

596
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:35,300
Be back to New York. 
Goodbye, Sean. 

597
00:58:38,300 --> 00:58:51,000
Sean, Sean. 
Thank you very much for joining 

598
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,900
us, and we will see you next 
week.