1 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:36,000 Hello, and welcome back to a better world. 2 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,500 This is your host Mitchell, J Raven, and we're very glad 3 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:42,000 Joining us again today today we're going to have another very 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 interesting show. We have with us a gentleman who 5 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,900 came here from Ireland, Derek O'Neill, who is a 6 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:52,200 psychotherapist there and has had some extraordinary 7 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,500 experiences with Satya Sai Baba who he didn't even know of just 8 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:01,300 some years back, who introduced himself in the most interesting 9 00:01:01,300 --> 00:01:04,800 of ways to Derek. And since then Derek has been 10 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,500 coming to New York and going elsewhere to speak with people. 11 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,100 About the teachings of Sai Baba and what it takes to create 12 00:01:14,100 --> 00:01:17,100 basically a better world. So we're very glad to have 13 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,000 direct with us and help me recounting some of the stories 14 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,300 of his first encounter with Sai Baba and some of what has 15 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:28,600 preceded from there. And what we can do ourselves to 16 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,800 empower ourselves and to become the greatest human beings 17 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,000 basically that we can. So thank you Derek. 18 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:41,000 Thank you Mitchell. I'm glad to have If you would, 19 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,600 because it's such an amazing story. 20 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,300 And I think it's, it's Illuminating in itself, is how 21 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:50,300 you went from your ordinary life as a therapist near Dublin? 22 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,200 And how that then turned into this deep and abiding 23 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,600 relationship with Sai Baba. Okay. 24 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,000 And it all happened. Basically, when myself, my wife 25 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,100 and my daughter went to a Bookshop in place called 26 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:11,200 Tandoori in Dublin. On a sunny Summers afternoon on 27 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:16,300 a Sunday and I went in to buy a book on Carl Gustav, Jung and 28 00:02:16,300 --> 00:02:20,700 Freud as regard to psychoanalysis and when I went 29 00:02:20,700 --> 00:02:24,400 into the Bookshop, I was reaching for a book on the top 30 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:29,500 shelf and from the Shelf two or three below a book, literally 31 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:34,000 jumped after shelf and hit me on the fourth as I was bending down 32 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,800 to pick up that book. My daughter said Daddy, I bought 33 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:42,200 you these Unhand me a package of incense sticks and the incense 34 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,900 sticks were sorry. Baba, incense sticks. 35 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,700 Now, I had never heard of Sai Baba or anything in relation to 36 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:54,100 someone did this happen. This was about what year 1999 37 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,500 are, you know, 98 99. You lose track of the time when 38 00:02:58,500 --> 00:03:01,600 you enter into these dimensions and so that the line. 39 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:07,100 Yes, and so as I'm reaching down to pick up this book, that's 40 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:09,500 just Fallen Me daughter hands me. 41 00:03:09,500 --> 00:03:13,700 The incense sticks with Sai Baba on them and when I picked up the 42 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:18,500 book and turn around the title of the book was Sai Baba, man, 43 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:25,600 of Miracles, I opened the book. I read a couple of lines from 44 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:30,100 the book and decided I buy this book. 45 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,300 It still hadn't, even register that stage, that Sai Baba 46 00:03:33,300 --> 00:03:35,800 incense sticks and the book were one of the sales. 47 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,300 One was saying it was just being behind it. 48 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:41,300 Yeah. So where I went up to pay to 49 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:45,500 purchase the book and when I went up to the assistant to the 50 00:03:45,500 --> 00:03:48,000 assistant of for me that they didn't sell that book in the in 51 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,400 the shop. So jokingly cars, I turn around 52 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,700 I said, hey, it does that mean I can have it for no payment and 53 00:03:55,700 --> 00:03:58,700 he immediately put an eleven dollar sign on actually. 54 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,800 Yeah. And it's a lovely son was a 55 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,300 master number. Well yeah, it's very important 56 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:05,600 as goes in the old. Yeah. 57 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:07,700 When you know about these things, right? 58 00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:14,400 So purchase this book and went home sitting there that evening 59 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,300 Sunday evening and started to read the book. 60 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:22,400 And as I was reading, Double. I don't get your book on Freud 61 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,600 and Jung know it's, you know, I understand. 62 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,800 You spoke very it. Yeah, and I end up going home, 63 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,000 reading this book there to Sunday evening and basically 64 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,900 doors people shared and stories within this book of Miracles 65 00:04:34,900 --> 00:04:37,700 that have happened to them true. This man who will Satya Sai 66 00:04:37,700 --> 00:04:40,400 Baba. And, you know, people had stood 67 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,400 out of wheelchairs children, whose retinas haven't attached, 68 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,400 were no seeing stuff. That was just beyond Ramon, my 69 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,100 logical mind and the way I would take think, you know, the only 70 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:53,600 person I had ever heard of my life that did that was Jesus of 71 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,300 Nazareth. So as I read a little bit more 72 00:04:57,300 --> 00:05:00,500 actually, start to realize that these people were saying that 73 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,300 Sai Baba was God on Earth or Jesus return and being that nice 74 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:07,100 Catholic. Girl printing. 75 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:10,600 I had this was absolutely that laughs just famous. 76 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,200 I thought it would have just fit in perfectly and no because you 77 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,700 know the way your goal is it the Antichrist and such words are 78 00:05:17,700 --> 00:05:21,200 sort of bandied around So I took the book and I literally just 79 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,100 threw the book there because I wasn't interested in Reading any 80 00:05:24,100 --> 00:05:28,900 more of this rubbish. So that was the reward impressed 81 00:05:28,900 --> 00:05:30,800 with the first of all I want to do read. 82 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,000 It wasn't impressed with it because as a psychoanalytical 83 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,000 Maris and I knew that this was a bit of Bologna in my opinion, 84 00:05:38,100 --> 00:05:42,300 Dan, you know, was to change. Of course, for what happened to, 85 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:44,100 you know, that's the doors apart. 86 00:05:44,100 --> 00:05:47,400 Yeah. Obviously there was a part then 87 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,800 the next that is Even went to bed, was awoken the next morning 88 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,200 by the phone ring and I had eight or nine people booked in 89 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,400 for Psychotherapy, for that day. And the strangest thing happened 90 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:05,900 because what happened really was within one hour, they had all 91 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:09,600 canceled our appointment, it has never happened before and I hope 92 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,100 it never happens again. Okay, so I was left near, we 93 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:14,900 don't know an appointment, a danite, yeah. 94 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:19,200 In one act that like that, okay? So I was left. 95 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:22,400 Basically just a bit of foil work and tidying up to do. 96 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,700 And as I was doing this, this book was shining up at me again. 97 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,200 So for some strange reason I picked up the book, I started to 98 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:35,100 read the book again and the more I read it, the more closed down 99 00:06:35,100 --> 00:06:37,600 when I was becoming to us that this man was a faker and a 100 00:06:37,608 --> 00:06:40,600 chance or and you know, how dare he feed on people's 101 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,900 vulnerabilities and all this. So next thing is energy just 102 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:50,100 arrived into me being that I you know, to put into words I could 103 00:06:50,100 --> 00:06:52,900 see I called it unconditional love, but that word even gets 104 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:55,300 bandied around because, you know, I left, you understand 105 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:58,100 what it is. And I found myself doing 106 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:00,800 something very strange and Hilt of my character. 107 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:07,300 I wrote a letter to Sai Baba, and in the letter, I just put my 108 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:10,600 name is Derek. If you are, who they say, you 109 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,000 are send me the booty and I will call. 110 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:17,100 Now, I had read in the book that ability was this sacred Ash 111 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:19,900 died, while he spins his hands, if you get it, it It's a healing 112 00:07:19,900 --> 00:07:22,300 formally. So I was basically challenging 113 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:24,300 him. You send me to vibhuti and I 114 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:29,200 will call. So I put on the envelope Sai, 115 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,800 Baba India, which I know understands like Walton, you 116 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,500 know, Patty O'Brien, Ireland and hope it gets the right Patty 117 00:07:35,500 --> 00:07:40,200 O'Brien of which was 50 taels of living in Ireland and posted the 118 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,600 letter. And they only told two people 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,700 that I had done such a silly thing. 120 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:48,900 One was my wife and the other was a colleague in case I 121 00:07:48,907 --> 00:07:51,500 needed. Signed in at any stage you know 122 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:57,000 as you do Uncle. So send the way to tree months 123 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,200 went by we are forgotten. You know the book was well and 124 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,300 truly buried and that was it. And then I found myself out of 125 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:05,700 mind, health and body exhibition. 126 00:08:05,700 --> 00:08:09,800 I think you call them expose over him held Expose and I'm 127 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,900 looking with my colleague who I told about the book and all the 128 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:19,000 events and I'm standing there, looking at some items on the 129 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,600 table. Abel. 130 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,500 And next thing this man comes up and you just Taps me on the 131 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:25,600 shoulder and he says, are you Derek O'Neal? 132 00:08:26,700 --> 00:08:31,400 And I said, I am yet. Do I know you and he said, well, 133 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,700 you know what, we could I speak to you for a moment. 134 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,799 So I said to Route, this guy wants to talk. 135 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,200 Come on, this is an Indian man. This was no, we was an Irishman 136 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,299 and Irishman. Well, he looked very Irish and 137 00:08:43,299 --> 00:08:46,100 anyway, it was hard to tell nowadays appeared, I Disappeared 138 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:48,000 Irish. But he was wearing an orange 139 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:49,900 shirt. That was quite On which was 140 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,500 interesting hours to turn out. I see. 141 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,600 So he brought the tools of two. Tables set me down. 142 00:08:56,700 --> 00:09:01,100 Yeah, should have known set me down and he looked straight into 143 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:02,600 my eyes and he said, your name is Derek. 144 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,500 Any were born in 1964. Your parents name is did to do 145 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,800 and do to do. You were this accident happened 146 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,200 on this happened? I went, wow. 147 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,600 Stop, who are you? Go away? 148 00:09:15,500 --> 00:09:20,900 And I was in absolute fear because Was this man knew all 149 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:26,800 about me, then he reached down into this bag, this little bag 150 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,500 he had, and he took out a teen, and you just put it on the table 151 00:09:29,500 --> 00:09:33,300 and he slid it across and as he was sliding, it except eye 152 00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:37,000 contact with me at all times. And he said, you asked for 153 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 vibhuti. No, you must call. 154 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,600 I just felt so much fear and so much Terror. 155 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,200 I was in the letter if you can Ascend of a movie, I why I will 156 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,700 call you and I Is being delivered. 157 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,900 I felt fear, anxiety, panic, attack, you know, all the terms 158 00:09:56,900 --> 00:10:00,200 that go along as a good therapist should, as the shield, 159 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:05,100 I turn to look at me colleague, who had just turned and walked 160 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:09,500 into a pillar nearly knocking herself out because she too was 161 00:10:09,500 --> 00:10:13,800 registering the event going on. This was the same colleague. 162 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,700 You had told three months before lutely and she was frozen plasma 163 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:21,600 a record, a whole thing. So, I just took the tea and said 164 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,600 this, man, I can't talk to you anymore. 165 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,900 I was rattling, I left, you know, to have a cup of coffee, 166 00:10:28,900 --> 00:10:33,600 something to bring me back to sanity to can lie down, and 167 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,100 we're sitting in this little cafe having a cup of coffee. 168 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,200 And the next thing the door of the cafe opens and standing, 169 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,600 there is a woman in an Indian woman with a green sari and at 170 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,200 the time in Ireland we didn't have many Indian people. 171 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,300 Especially not wearing sarees. So she just walked straight 172 00:10:54,300 --> 00:10:57,700 aware table. Again looked at me and said I am 173 00:10:57,700 --> 00:11:03,600 sorry for disturbing you, but haven't I just seen you sitting 174 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:08,600 with Sai Baba at a mind? Helping Bobby, exhibition, other 175 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,900 girls? It's happened again, I'm Dale 176 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:13,400 gone, I'm losing control and me limbs. 177 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:18,600 I mean, total Agony and fear and I just said, I have to go, I 178 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,600 have to go. Um so yeah, so my friend and I 179 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:26,800 literally just left looky, she was driving because I would be 180 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,800 in a danger. On the roads we try to analyze 181 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,700 what happened but we couldn't because the brain had your shirt 182 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:37,900 down rotate and we returned Homeward completely all 183 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:41,400 comprehension all analysis gone in through the window. 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,100 So being an honorable man, and I like to think I am, I decided 185 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,200 I'm going. My wife was unavailable to come 186 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,400 with me, but my colleague, who was now, totally intrigued as 187 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,000 much as I was, that I'm going with you. 188 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,200 So, within two weeks, we had the plane tickets bought, we had a 189 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,400 visa to go from the embassy and into India. 190 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:09,700 We went, when I got to India. The first thing that struck me 191 00:12:09,700 --> 00:12:14,300 was the poverty and the pain, and yet it was a beauty behind. 192 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:18,200 All this, that was manifest, but unspeakable. 193 00:12:19,500 --> 00:12:21,600 So I actually started to write and lawyers. 194 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,100 So then, you know, when you see it shock to the system zactly 195 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:30,500 put you real back because you know if not you're going to end 196 00:12:30,500 --> 00:12:33,300 up in a heap and useless to anybody, right? 197 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,600 Okay. And there is a beauty in the 198 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,700 midst of it, all it was somehow. Yes, I'm kind of Joy. 199 00:12:39,700 --> 00:12:42,800 Some beautiful old is coming up to the science through the more 200 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,500 true distilled and along, this is beautiful when it arrives, so 201 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:52,800 arrived and Staying in a taxi Golem to SAI Baba's ashram. 202 00:12:53,300 --> 00:12:56,900 And when we arrived at the ashram was absolutely Blown 203 00:12:56,900 --> 00:13:01,500 Away, by the amount of white faces, all wearing white clothes 204 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:04,500 and looking very Angelic. And holy, I have to say, which 205 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:08,600 is something I did in class myself as being too much and got 206 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,700 out of the taxi to be greeted by side arm side, I'm sorry. 207 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:15,400 Bob these little kids who, you know, before I could take a 208 00:13:15,408 --> 00:13:19,800 breath, had my bags in the hands of telling me that We should go 209 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,900 today home because they have accommodation and was no 210 00:13:22,900 --> 00:13:28,500 accommodation in the Asher. My Eagle immediately stepped 211 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:32,800 forward when to hang on, hang on Sai Baba has sent for me so he 212 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,700 has to have accommodation further. 213 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:37,400 I was to learn a lot of adobe or later. 214 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:41,300 So what then happens is we were told to go to this 215 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:44,900 accommodations office. So into the accommodations 216 00:13:44,900 --> 00:13:48,700 office we went and as what entering these two frail old man 217 00:13:48,700 --> 00:13:52,000 are sitting behind desks looking like the only thing that was 218 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,600 holding them up. Was Divinity, you know, because 219 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,800 they He had the angel followed them. 220 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Look, you're a girl, right? And I stepped in and just a 221 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:06,300 tremendous scream, Screech came from this man, get out, get out. 222 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,600 And I was to learn that I had just stepped in with shoes which 223 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,800 is a custom in that country. You don't step in with jewels. 224 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:16,600 So I talked to shoes off apologize. 225 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:21,200 What to his desk and all of a sudden this man who were just 226 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:27,000 frightened the BGA Nia of me became I'm very sweet and he 227 00:14:27,008 --> 00:14:32,600 said, oh, you're back. I like looked at him with a 228 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:37,400 judgment of a sure he's old, and he's confused and I said, oh, 229 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,900 you most sorry I said, you must be getting me mixed up with 230 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:44,200 somebody else because I've never been here before. 231 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:51,700 And with that, he said, Derek you've been here many times and 232 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,300 many lifetimes Swami has been waiting for you. 233 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,700 I went through hell. Does he know my name? 234 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:05,700 What's going on here today? And gone went? 235 00:15:06,900 --> 00:15:09,500 You know. God accommodation ended up in 236 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:16,500 accommodation for be okay when Darren Having a look around the 237 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:19,300 ashram hair. This tremendous commotion going 238 00:15:19,300 --> 00:15:24,700 on behind me turned to be standing face-to-face with Satya 239 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,300 Sai Baba. I went to stick out my hand 240 00:15:28,300 --> 00:15:29,600 because it's a western way, isn't it? 241 00:15:29,608 --> 00:15:30,700 You know? Hi, I'm Garrett. 242 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:33,900 You send for me. Who are you next? 243 00:15:33,900 --> 00:15:36,600 I'm going to be true. Yeah, so this tremendous big 244 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,400 hand landed on my chest, nearly knocked me off, my balance from 245 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:46,600 a, save it out, somebody who serves Sai Baba, Ah, and this 246 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,500 cream went up that he was status. 247 00:15:48,500 --> 00:15:52,400 A Babel was standing on the lady side of the ashram and then 248 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,300 we're gonna load Golder. So you know so you were there 249 00:15:56,300 --> 00:15:57,500 about mistake. Yes. 250 00:15:57,500 --> 00:16:01,600 If you like sort of spell of Innocence so Swami your screen. 251 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,100 And with this full knowing green I felt mortified. 252 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,400 You know if there was a hole I wanted to go straight in for if 253 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,200 you know I'd work because at this stage, I looked around and 254 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:17,900 I was sort of thousands of oh Is looking in so many astonishment, 255 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:20,800 so much smiles and some wood absolute Giggles on the face. 256 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:26,800 So that was my introductory into Satya Sai Baba. 257 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,500 Now there was another piece that I remember your mentioning 258 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:34,400 direct having to do with a gentleman who was there to train 259 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,900 you shortly after you arrive. Like maybe immediately after we 260 00:16:37,900 --> 00:16:41,000 moved in a form of Reiki. That's right. 261 00:16:41,100 --> 00:16:43,200 Could you just give us that little piece and do ask you a 262 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,300 few other questions? Okay. 263 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:48,900 What happened is, I was only there about two days and I was 264 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:51,700 sitting meditating on the roof of the ashram. 265 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,000 And when I came out of meditation, this old man 266 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,700 approached me and he said, I've to make you a karuna Reiki 267 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:03,700 master. Now, no actually didn't say 268 00:17:03,700 --> 00:17:05,800 that. He what he said was I've to make 269 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,599 you a Reiki master. So I politely informed him that 270 00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:13,700 I had already been attuned to Terror my array key. 271 00:17:14,500 --> 00:17:18,300 Oh, And he said, yes, but I have to make you a karuna Reiki 272 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,400 master. No, I didn't realize it was 273 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,800 different brands, you know? Like, it gets to be commercial 274 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,400 after a while, when the so many different names for the same 275 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:29,800 energy variations on the theme. Yeah. 276 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,200 So we agreed, that we would meet the next day on the roof after 277 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,100 dashing, and he would do this initiation, huh? 278 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,500 Great. I came down after roof. 279 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,500 Went to my colleague, who was on the same trip as me. 280 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:47,100 Tom Told her about what happened on the roof. 281 00:17:47,100 --> 00:17:51,200 She went Corona Reiki. Brilliant, it's very powerful. 282 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,700 She knew something about it. I knew nothing about us. 283 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:56,500 She got very excited. I was still in that sort of. 284 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,700 Okay, that's great next morning. After dashing went off set, 285 00:18:02,700 --> 00:18:07,600 their heat demand arrived and he said, was I ready for the 286 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,800 initiation? I said I was and he started 287 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:14,700 initiation now to be absolutely truthful, which is very 288 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,200 important. To be truthful. 289 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,400 The rest of what I'm about to tell you actually comes from my 290 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,500 colleague. Not me. 291 00:18:20,700 --> 00:18:22,400 Uh-huh. And that's because I was to 292 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,400 enter into some state of conscious trance and what she 293 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,300 was doing for me, was that all reduced the roof that I was 294 00:18:30,300 --> 00:18:33,300 sitting on out of the bluest of blue skies? 295 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:37,900 This clairwood arrived, it started to drizzle rain and a 296 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:42,400 rainbow went, just over the roof that I were sitting on and a 297 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,800 breeze was to blow items. Just Just on debris on and she 298 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,200 was looking up at the roof at this event happening to be 299 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,900 truthful. I had no recall of this event, 300 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:59,600 so that's what happened. After the initiation I was in 301 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,700 some state of bliss and he went on to show me some symbols that 302 00:19:04,700 --> 00:19:08,000 he had used during the initiation and we actually ended 303 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,400 up writing the Mondays brown paper bags, which was the only 304 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,300 things I had and I still have those brown paper bags. 305 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:17,800 The original one, And put I was born symbol. 306 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:23,500 I didn't quite understand. So I looked at it and the next 307 00:19:23,500 --> 00:19:26,800 day I decided I'd go and I'd ask this man, could he tell me what 308 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,200 about this particular symbol? He had shot? 309 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,200 He told me where he was staying, so I went and I knocked on the 310 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,100 door and I was to be greeted by the door being opened by a 311 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:40,700 Buddhist monk. And I asked for the man and the 312 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:43,600 Buddhist monk said, oh, are you the young man? 313 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:44,900 He was obviously being very polite. 314 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,300 Right. Are you too young man who was 315 00:19:47,300 --> 00:19:50,600 initiated by him on the roof yesterday? 316 00:19:50,900 --> 00:19:53,100 And I said, I am I said, is he here? 317 00:19:53,500 --> 00:19:55,600 And with that, he did something seemingly Buddhists. 318 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,400 Don't do I only know this now because I'm being educated since 319 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,800 he touched my feet and then brought him to his hands to his 320 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Torrid I which I found a bit actually on Discerning. 321 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,000 I didn't even I didn't like it actually caused quite 322 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,900 subservient in its own way and he was to inform me that this 323 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:17,300 Gentlemen, and that was their hug. 324 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:20,400 Had an interview, a private interview with Sai Baba, seven 325 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:25,900 years prior to my arrival, and had been told in the interview 326 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:30,800 that I would arrive, he was to initiate me and he wasn't a, 327 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:36,600 leave the ashram on till he did that initiation, and he had gone 328 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,800 home that very day, that he had did the initiation on me. 329 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:50,300 God, Strange. But true strange. 330 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:53,600 But true. No fiction could match it. 331 00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:57,800 It it's to know as an analyst and I still am an analyst in, 332 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,000 you know, but no, I miss, you know, I'm a psychiatrist, you 333 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,600 know. So, as I say, oh yeah, you know, 334 00:21:06,900 --> 00:21:10,200 it's a true that Rusty. Excellent. 335 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,300 Excellent. And it's really about the 336 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:16,500 understanding that there is something else higher than we 337 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,100 But yet easels it is within and without and it's about finding 338 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:27,900 that and all analysis will be called irrelevant right because 339 00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:30,500 the final analysis is Divinity is everywhere. 340 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,700 You know it's no doubt no doubt your analysis has shifted some 341 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:41,000 since this amazing extraordinary meeting, with Sai Baba, for 342 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,100 these for the story. Absolutely has a absolutely when 343 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,600 people call them. Now they call Home and strange 344 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,300 things happen. Like one of the strange things 345 00:21:50,300 --> 00:21:53,400 that happen is the vast majority of people who come to have 346 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,500 analysis just bore straight into tears. 347 00:21:55,900 --> 00:22:00,700 Before there's any words, exchanged stick it right into 348 00:22:00,700 --> 00:22:04,600 the Heart Center there in there. Yeah and then I tell them it's 349 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,400 not about words it's about feeling because it you know a 350 00:22:08,408 --> 00:22:12,000 lot of people unfortunately are still very new home because of 351 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,100 Horton their lives and other such traumas and oppression and 352 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:17,400 suppression. We Action. 353 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,000 So what I do now is I help them to find a Divinity that is 354 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,300 within them. And I allow them the facility to 355 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:28,200 heal themselves because I'm not a Healer, you know, II 356 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,300 physically hate his daughter, you know? 357 00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:36,100 And I've had I witnessed many, many miracles, you know, I had a 358 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:40,100 woman one time, came to stop smoking and when she came to 359 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:45,100 stop smoking, I ended up just hearing myself saying, you know 360 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:48,500 as God gave his soul To the world. 361 00:22:48,900 --> 00:22:51,100 Are you ready to return home to your maker? 362 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,800 This light enveloped the rule, she burst into tears. 363 00:22:56,900 --> 00:23:02,000 And I burst into tears and a cancer was to disappear that 364 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,200 very day. She went to the doctor to 365 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,600 doctors won't know where I cancel is gone because she had 366 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,100 only been given four or five weeks to live. 367 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,400 The reason she wanted to give up to cigarettes was because a 368 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,100 grandchild was being born and she was trying to hold in to see 369 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:19,500 The ground China to hold on Shore. 370 00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:21,600 Yeah, yeah. Did the interesting thing is she 371 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,600 actually end up living for about two and a half years after that 372 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,600 and then she passed off. Very beautiful soul. 373 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,800 Just great to witness the Miracles of divinity, in 374 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,500 whatever form, of course. What do you feel dark? 375 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:36,200 Because there have been many people who have had 376 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,900 extraordinary meetings with such a Sai Baba of, you know, 377 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,200 relatively similar or interesting ilk. 378 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Let's just say over the years that I've known and we've been 379 00:23:47,700 --> 00:23:50,800 interviewing people here on a better world who have had 380 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:55,000 extraordinary experiences are women in menopause getting 381 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,200 pregnant and in, okay? According to a wish they hadn't 382 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,700 if opposite of course, okay? Things of that sort. 383 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,700 And many of them seem to be from England and you know, the 384 00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:06,900 British Isles, by the way, this is a curiosity. 385 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:11,100 Yeah, I'm wondering. What do you feel? 386 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:17,100 He is positioning you for like, what do you think of the fingers 387 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:21,500 on The hand you will roll is at this point in time. 388 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:26,500 Yeah, good question. First and foremost, I don't 389 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:28,200 know. S. 390 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,500 Good answer, I don't care. Thirdly, I now going with the 391 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:34,400 flow known that. Everything happens for the 392 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,700 highest. Good of all concerned including 393 00:24:36,700 --> 00:24:41,000 me. I'm getting to witness Divinity 394 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,900 in action or I believe that he's setting me up because of the 395 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,800 Experience that data I've had in my life quite traumatic 396 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,900 experiences that I've had myself, which is why obviously I 397 00:24:53,908 --> 00:24:56,600 became a psychotherapist. Because one thing I believe as 398 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:00,100 most people who become healers and psychotherapist, we're very 399 00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:01,700 hot individuals in their own life. 400 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:05,200 That's what makes them very much qualified to do the job that are 401 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,900 doing exactly. And it's not about the book work 402 00:25:07,900 --> 00:25:10,900 it's about a d coming from the heart and Canandaigua relate and 403 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:13,000 first heal thyself. Absolutely. 404 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:16,400 Absolutely. So I believe that he's setting 405 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:22,300 me York To help people to empower themselves and to stop 406 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,800 giving up hello to Satya Sai Baba. 407 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,900 This is good to hear. Because as one of the things 408 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:35,500 that we witness, if one goes to any of the ashrams or even the 409 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:38,200 meetings anywhere and the country, and I've been to many, 410 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,600 yeah, there is the sense of the devotional aspect where people 411 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:48,400 are actually to me disempowered. Absolute and Is God? 412 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,400 And so who were they? Absolutely. 413 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,500 So this is a very vital and I think valuable role. 414 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:56,000 You're playing them to turn that around. 415 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,300 If I hear you correctly. Yeah. 416 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,200 Oh, I think it's very important. And you know, the interesting 417 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,200 thing here is when I witnessed that, it was quite Discerning to 418 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,200 witness that people were doing this. 419 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,900 Because within his teachings, he says, within his teachings time 420 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,200 and time and time again, I've enough power me own daughter. 421 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,100 Gave me yours, you know? And then he says things like 422 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:25,100 Like I am God, that's over. So, are you friends is you don't 423 00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,000 know what yet? So, you know. 424 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,300 So if people just got that one piece, it would be an enormous 425 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:34,600 gift. The world will be a different 426 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,700 place, but I still would open and apparel would be delivered. 427 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,900 Exactly. So he actually it's strange in 428 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:46,400 that he has me writing a book at the moment called knock me off 429 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,400 the pedestal. You put me on in, which he has 430 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:56,300 asked me to get him knocked off the pedestal, because people are 431 00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:01,200 looking at the physical form, and are missing the Divinity 432 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:07,100 that stands behind that form. And I've been blessed looky, use 433 00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,800 whatever word you, your mind wants, sure to see this and it 434 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:17,900 has changed my life so much that all as I can say is, The one 435 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,700 statement that he makes that boys at for me. 436 00:27:20,700 --> 00:27:25,200 Yes, one religion, the religion of love one, nationality, cast 437 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,000 the cast of humanity, does one God? 438 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:33,500 He if she is on the present or names and forms are theirs. 439 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,700 Take back the power people yesterday. 440 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:43,000 Don't give it to Jesus Billy. Anyone that's right or saibaba, 441 00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:47,200 anybody, the Divinity is here, as we were saying, yesterday at 442 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,100 the United Nations where we were in Denver, gave a beautiful 443 00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:54,100 talk, Where God decided to hide him. 444 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:59,400 Her itself was not anywhere to be found outside but indeed in 445 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,300 the human heart. Derek, thank you so much for 446 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,500 being on the show. Thank you very much for inviting 447 00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,300 me. God bless you, beautiful plus 448 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:08,300 you. This is Mitchell. 449 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:11,300 J Raven for better world. I hope you were enriched by that 450 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,500 as much as I was and I look forward to seeing you all next 451 00:28:15,500 --> 00:29:07,500 week. Hello and welcome back to a 452 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,800 better world. This is your host Mitchell, J 453 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,300 Raven and we're very glad you're joining us again today. 454 00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,500 Today we're going to have another very interesting show. 455 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,800 We have with us a gentleman who came here from Ireland, Derek 456 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,300 O'Neill, who is a psychotherapist there and has 457 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:27,600 had some extraordinary experiences with Satya Sai Baba 458 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:32,000 who he didn't even know of just some years back, who introduced 459 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,200 himself in the most interesting of ways to Derek. 460 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:39,300 And since then, direct has been coming to New York and going 461 00:29:39,300 --> 00:29:43,700 elsewhere to speak with people about the teachings of Sai Baba. 462 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:48,600 And what it takes to create basically a better world. 463 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,700 So, we're very glad to have direct with us and he'll be 464 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:54,900 recounting some of the stories of his first encounter with Sai 465 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:57,300 Baba. And some of what has preceded 466 00:29:57,300 --> 00:30:01,100 from there. And what we can do ourselves to 467 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:05,200 empower ourselves and to become the greatest human beings. 468 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,500 Basically that we can. So thank you Derek. 469 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,200 Thank you Mitchell. I'm glad to have you here if you 470 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,100 would, because it's such an amazing story. 471 00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:18,800 And I think it's, it's Illuminating in itself, is how 472 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,800 you went from your ordinary life as a therapist near Dublin? 473 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:27,700 And how that then turned into this deep and abiding 474 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:31,100 relationship with Sai Baba. Okay. 475 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:35,200 And it all happened. Basically, when myself my wife, 476 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,800 And my daughter went to a Bookshop in place called Tim 477 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,700 Leary in Dublin. On a sunny Summers afternoon on 478 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:48,700 a Sunday and I went in to buy a book on Carl Gustav, Jung and 479 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:53,200 Freud as regard to psychoanalysis and when I went 480 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,900 into the Bookshop, I was reaching for a book on the top 481 00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,200 shelf. And from the Shelf two or three 482 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,900 below a book, literally jumped after shelf and hit me on the 483 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:07,000 fourth. As I was bending down to pick up 484 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,400 that book my daughter said, Daddy, I've bought you D is and 485 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,500 hand. Me a package of incense sticks 486 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,400 and the incense sticks. We're sorry Baba incense sticks. 487 00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,200 Now, I had never heard of Sai Baba or anything in relation to 488 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,500 son, did this happen. This was about what year 1999 489 00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:31,000 are you know, 98 99. You lose track of the time when 490 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,700 you enter into these dimensions and so that the yes, And so, as 491 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:41,200 I'm reaching down to pick up this book, that's just Fallen me 492 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,900 daughter. Hands me. 493 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:46,200 The incense sticks with Sai Baba on them and when I picked up the 494 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,000 book and turn around the title of the book was Sai Baba, man, 495 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:58,000 of Miracles, I opened the book. I read a couple of lines from 496 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,600 the book and decided I buy this book. 497 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,900 It still hadn't, even register that stage that Sai Baba, 498 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:08,800 incense sticks and the book were one of the same was one was 499 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,900 saying it was just being behind it. 500 00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,600 Yeah. So I went up to pay to purchase 501 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,300 the book and when I went up to the assistant to the assistant, 502 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:20,500 informed me that they didn't sell that book in the in the 503 00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:24,000 shop. So jokingly cars I turn around I 504 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,300 said hey it does that mean I can have it for no payment and he 505 00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:33,500 immediately put an eleven dollar sign on a child and it's a 506 00:32:33,508 --> 00:32:37,800 lovely son was a master number. Yeah, it was in the old. 507 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,200 Yeah. When you know about these 508 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,600 things, right? So purchase this book and went 509 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:50,000 home sitting there that evening Sunday evening and started to 510 00:32:50,008 --> 00:32:53,400 read the book. And as I was reading the book, I 511 00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,600 found get your book on Freud and Jung know today. 512 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,300 I love casebooks very it. Yeah, and I end up going home. 513 00:33:00,300 --> 00:33:03,500 Reading this book there to Sunday evening and basically 514 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:06,700 doors people shared install. Or he's within this book of 515 00:33:06,700 --> 00:33:08,500 Miracles that have happened to them true. 516 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,700 This man who will Satya Sai Baba. 517 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,300 And, you know, people had stood out of wheelchairs children, 518 00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:17,800 whose retinas haven't attached were nail seeing stuff. 519 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,500 That was just beyond Ramon, my logical mind and the way I would 520 00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,700 think, you know, the only person I had ever heard of my life that 521 00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:29,800 did, that was Jesus of Nazareth. So as I read a little bit more, 522 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,000 actually, start to realize that these people were saying that 523 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,200 Sai Baba was God on Earth. Heart Jesus returned and being 524 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,300 that nice Catholic or printing. I had this was absolutely that 525 00:33:41,300 --> 00:33:44,200 laughs just FEMA side. It would have just fit in 526 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,400 perfectly and no because you know the way your goal is it the 527 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400 Antichrist and such words are sort of bandied around. 528 00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,200 Yeah so I took the book and I literally just true the book 529 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,700 there because I wasn't interested in Reading any more 530 00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:01,400 of this rubbish. So that was worn impressed. 531 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400 With the first of all I want you to read it was impressed with it 532 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,000 because as a Go and analytical person. 533 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,699 I knew that this was available only in my opinion Dan you know 534 00:34:11,699 --> 00:34:14,800 was to change. Of course for what happened to, 535 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,600 you know, that's the doors apart. 536 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,800 Yeah. Obviously there was a part, then 537 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:25,400 the next that even went to bed, was awoken the next morning by 538 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,699 the phone ring and I had eight or nine people booked in for 539 00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,900 Psychotherapy, for that day. And the strangest thing happened 540 00:34:32,900 --> 00:34:38,400 because what happened really was We didn't want it, they had all 541 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,100 canceled our appointment, it has never happened before and I hope 542 00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,600 it never happens again. Okay, so I was left near, we 543 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,800 don't own appointments anything like yes in one like that like 544 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,000 that. Okay, so I was left with 545 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:55,300 basically just a bit of foil, workin tidying up to do and as I 546 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:58,100 was doing this, this book was shining up at me again. 547 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:02,700 So, for some strange reason I picked up the book, I started to 548 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:07,400 read the book again, and the more I read, Is the more closed 549 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,100 down when I was becoming to us that this man was a faker and a 550 00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:13,100 chance around, you know, how dare he feed on people's 551 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:17,400 vulnerabilities and Arliss. So next thing is energy just 552 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,300 arrived into me being that I, you know, to put into words, I 553 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,400 could I call it unconditional love, but that word even gets 554 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,100 bandied around because you know, unless you understand what it 555 00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:30,600 is. And I found myself doing 556 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,900 something very strange and out, of my character, I wrote a 557 00:35:34,900 --> 00:35:40,200 letter to Sai Baba, and in the letter, I just put my name is 558 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,000 Derek. If you are, who they say, you 559 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,500 are send me the booty and I will call. 560 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,800 Now, I had read in the book that ability was this sacred Ash dad 561 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000 while he spins his hands, if you get it, it's a healing formally. 562 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,600 So, I was basically challenging him, you send me to vibhuti and 563 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:03,400 I will call So I put on the envelope sorry Baba India, which 564 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,900 I Now understand is like portent, you know, Patty 565 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:08,300 O'Brien, Ireland and hope it gets to the right party O'Brien 566 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,700 of which was 50 tails and living in Ireland and posted the 567 00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:15,100 letter. And they only told two people 568 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:17,200 that I had done such a silly thing. 569 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,700 One was my wife and the other was a colleague in case I needed 570 00:36:21,700 --> 00:36:27,300 to be signed in, at any stage, you know, as you do Uncle, so 571 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,000 send it away. Two to three months went by, we 572 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,600 had all forgotten. You know the book was well and 573 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,700 truly buried and that was there. And then I found myself out of 574 00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,200 mind, health and body exhibition. 575 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,300 I think you call them expose over him held Expose and I'm 576 00:36:42,300 --> 00:36:47,400 looking with my colleague who I told about the book and all the 577 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,400 events and I'm standing there looking at some items on AR the 578 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,500 table. And next thing, this man comes 579 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,300 up and you just Taps me on the shoulder and he says, are you 580 00:36:57,300 --> 00:37:01,500 Derek O'Neill? And I said, I am yet, do I know 581 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:06,300 you and he said, well, you know what, if we could, I speak to 582 00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:09,400 you for a moment. So I said to Route, this guy 583 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,800 wants to talk. Come on, this is an Indian man. 584 00:37:11,900 --> 00:37:14,300 This was no, we was an Irishman and Irishman. 585 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,800 Well, he looked very Irish and anyway, it was hard to tell 586 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,000 nowadays appeared, I Disappeared Irish. 587 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200 But he was wearing an orange shirt. 588 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,500 That was quite long, which was interesting hours to turn out. 589 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,300 So he brought the tools of two tables. 590 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:31,100 Me down. Yeah, should have known set me 591 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:34,700 down and he looked straight into my eyes and he said, your name 592 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,700 is Derek and I were born in 1964. 593 00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:38,500 Your parents name is due to do and do to do. 594 00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,100 You were this accident happened on this happened? 595 00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:43,900 I went. Wow, stop. 596 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:47,000 Did you shoot the who are you? Go away. 597 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,900 And I was in absolute fear because this man knew all about 598 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:58,300 me, then he reached down into this bag. 599 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,000 Bag. This little bag he had and he 600 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000 took out a teen and you just put it on the table and he slid it 601 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,800 across and as he was sliding, it except eye contact with me at 602 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,200 all times and he said, you asked for her beauty. 603 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,400 No, you must call. I just felt so much fear and so 604 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,100 much Terror. I was in the letter. 605 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,200 If you said it's endemol Duty, I wish I was home and here it is. 606 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:27,100 Being delivered. I felt fear anxiety, panic, 607 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:30,900 attack, you know, all the terms that go along, there's a good 608 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:35,000 therapist should as they should. I turn to look at me colleague, 609 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:39,000 who had just turned and walked into a pillar nearly knocking 610 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,500 herself out, because she too was registering. 611 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,300 During the event going on. This was the same colleague. 612 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:49,600 You had told three months before lutely and she was present as 613 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,100 present, a report, a whole team. So, I just took the tea and said 614 00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,100 this, man, I can't talk to you anymore. 615 00:38:56,700 --> 00:39:01,300 I was Rockland, I left, you know, to have a cup of coffee, 616 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:06,100 something to bring me back to sanity to can lie down, and 617 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,600 we're sitting in this little cafe, having a cup of coffee. 618 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,700 And the next thing, the door of the cafe opens I'm standing. 619 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:17,900 There is a woman in Indian woman with a green sari. 620 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,700 And at the time in Ireland, we didn't have many Indian people, 621 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:23,600 and especially not wearing sarees. 622 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,800 So she just walked straight aware table. 623 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,900 Again looked at me and said, I am sorry for disturbing you. 624 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:38,800 But haven't I just seen you sitting with Sai Baba at a mind? 625 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,600 Helping Bobby Hicks, the bishop other girls. 626 00:39:41,700 --> 00:39:45,900 It's happened again. I'm losing control of my limbs. 627 00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:51,100 I mean total Agony and fear and I just said, I have to go, I 628 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,400 have to go home. So get me out of here. 629 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,700 So my friend and I literally just left lookee. 630 00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,800 She was driving because I would be in a danger. 631 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,000 On the roads, we try to analyze what has happened. 632 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,700 But we couldn't because the brain had your shirt down, 633 00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:09,500 rotate. And we returned Homeward 634 00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:12,600 coverage Beyond Comprehension all. 635 00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:17,100 Has gone in through the window. So being an honorable man and I 636 00:40:17,100 --> 00:40:22,600 like to think I am, I decided I'm going, my wife was out of 637 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,300 able to come with me, but my colleague who was now, totally 638 00:40:26,300 --> 00:40:29,400 intrigued as much as I was that I'm going with you. 639 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:33,600 So, within two weeks, we had the plane tickets bought, we had a 640 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,800 visa to go from the embassy and into India. 641 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,200 We went, when I got to India. The first thing that struck me 642 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,700 was the path. And the pain and yet it was a 643 00:40:45,700 --> 00:40:52,600 beauty behind all this that was manifest but unspeakable so I 644 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,900 actually started to write and lawyers I've been you being 645 00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,800 there. So then you know when you see it 646 00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:01,500 shock to the system zactly put you real back because you know 647 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,400 if not you're going to end up in a heap and useless to anybody, 648 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,300 right? Okay. 649 00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:11,000 And there is a beauty in the midst of it, all it was somehow. 650 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,900 Yes, I'm kind of Joy. Some Beautiful, odors coming off 651 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:15,400 to the science through the Mohawk. 652 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,800 True distilled. And along to this beautiful, 653 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:23,300 when it arrives, so arrived. And next thing in a taxi Golem 654 00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:27,600 to SAI Baba's ashram, and when we arrived to the, ashram was 655 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,400 absolutely Blown Away, by the amount of white faces, all 656 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,500 wearing white clothes and looking very Angelic. 657 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:38,000 And holy, I have to say, which is something I did in class 658 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,900 myself being too much and got out of the taxi. 659 00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:45,000 Can be greeted by Sidearm sidearms, I got these little 660 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,600 kids who, you know, before I could take a breath, had my bags 661 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,000 in the hands of telling me that we should go to their home 662 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,300 because they have accommodation and was no accommodation in the 663 00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:01,000 Asha. My Eagle immediately stepped 664 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,200 forward, and went hang on, hang on, Sai Baba has sent for me so 665 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,200 he has to have accommodation further. 666 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,900 I was to learn a lot of adobe or later. 667 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,800 So what then happens is we were told to go to this 668 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,400 accommodations office. So into the accommodations 669 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,200 office we went and as what entering these two frail old men 670 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,400 are sitting behind desks looking like the only thing that was 671 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,100 holding them up. Was Divinity, you know, because 672 00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:30,900 they really had the angel Look, you have to go, right? 673 00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:35,600 And I stepped in and just tremendous scream. 674 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:37,700 Screech came from this man, get out. 675 00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,500 Get out. And I was to learn that I had 676 00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:43,700 just stepped in with shoes which is a custom in that country. 677 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:48,000 You don't step in with jewels. So I talked to shoes off 678 00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:52,400 apologize. What to his desk and all of a 679 00:42:52,408 --> 00:42:56,400 sudden this man who were just frightened the BGA, Nia of me 680 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,700 became very sweet. And he said, oh, you're back. 681 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,500 I like looked at him with a judgment of a sure he's old, and 682 00:43:07,500 --> 00:43:11,100 he's confused and I said, oh, you most sorry I said, you must 683 00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:15,300 be getting me mixed up with somebody else because I've never 684 00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:22,200 been here before, and with that, he said, Derek you've been here 685 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,700 many times and many lifetimes Swami has been waiting for you. 686 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,200 I went through hell. Does he know my name? 687 00:43:31,300 --> 00:43:40,100 What's going on? Here and gone went you know God 688 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:45,700 accommodation ended up in accommodation for be okay. 689 00:43:46,300 --> 00:43:49,900 Went down was having a look around the ashram hair. 690 00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:54,600 This tremendous commotion going on behind me turned to be 691 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,100 standing face-to-face with Satya Sai Baba. 692 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,800 I went to stick out my hand because it's a western way, 693 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,700 isn't it? You know how Hi. 694 00:44:02,700 --> 00:44:06,800 I'm Gary, you send for me. Who are you next, we're going to 695 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000 be true. Yeah, so this tremendous big 696 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,800 hand landed on my chest, nearly knocked me off, my balance from 697 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,600 it, save it out. Somebody who serves Sai Baba. 698 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000 And this cream went up that he was status. 699 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,200 So that was standing on the lady side of the ashram. 700 00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:26,200 And then we're gonna load gold there. 701 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,400 So you know, so you were there by mistake. 702 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,500 Yes. If you lie, so to speak of 703 00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:36,000 Innocence So Swami just green and with this full knowing 704 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,600 green, I felt mortified. You know, if there was a hole I 705 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,700 want to go straight in for all your hard work. 706 00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:46,500 Because at this stage, I looked around and I was sort of 707 00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:50,800 thousands of eyes looking in some in astonishment, so much 708 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,200 smiles and some wood absolute Giggles on the face. 709 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,200 So that was my introductory into Satya Sai Baba. 710 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,100 Now there was another piece that I remember. 711 00:45:01,100 --> 00:45:05,300 You're mentioning Direct Having to do with a gentleman, who was 712 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:08,900 there to train you shortly. After you arrive. 713 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:13,200 Like, maybe immediately after we moved in a form of Reiki, that's 714 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,500 right. Could you just give us that 715 00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:16,300 little piece and do ask you a few other question? 716 00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:21,000 Okay, what happened is? I was only there about two days 717 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,200 and I was sitting meditating on the roof of the ashram. 718 00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:27,500 And when I came out of meditation, this old man 719 00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:32,200 approached me and he said, I've to make you a karuna Reiki. 720 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,900 Now no I actually didn't say that he what he said was I have 721 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:43,100 to make you a Reiki master. So I politely informed him that 722 00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,200 I had already been attuned to Tara my array key. 723 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,800 Oh and he said, yes, but I have to make you a karuna Reiki 724 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,900 master. Now, I didn't realize it was 725 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:56,600 different brands, you know, like it get to be commercial after a 726 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,400 while. When the so many different Road 727 00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:02,300 names for the same energy variations on the yeah. 728 00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:07,600 So, we agreed that we would meet the next day on the roof after 729 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,400 dashing, and he would do this initiation. 730 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,000 Great, I came down after roof. Went to my colleague, who was on 731 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,000 the same trip as me. Told her about what happened on 732 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,500 the roof. She went coronavirus Reiki. 733 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,900 Brilliant, it's very powerful. She knew something about it. 734 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,600 I knew nothing about it. She got very excited. 735 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,100 I was still in that sort of, okay, that's great. 736 00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:38,700 Next After dashing, when to set their heat demand arrived and he 737 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,700 said, well, I ready for the initiation, I said I was and he 738 00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,900 started initiation now to be absolutely truthful, which is 739 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,600 very important to be truthful. The rest of what I'm about to 740 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,400 tell you actually comes from my colleague. 741 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,900 Not me. And that's because I was to 742 00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:58,900 enter into some state of conscious trance and what she 743 00:46:58,900 --> 00:47:02,400 was doing for me, was that over juice to roof too? 744 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:06,200 And I were sitting on out of the bluest of blue skies, this 745 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,500 Claire derived, it started to drizzle rain and a rainbow went 746 00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:15,900 just over the roof that I was sitting on an debris is was to 747 00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:20,700 blow items just on debris on and she was looking up at the roof 748 00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,400 at this event happening to be truthful. 749 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,700 I had no recall of this event so that's what happened. 750 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:35,800 After the initiation II was in some A bliss and he went on to 751 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,800 show me some symbols that he had used during the initiation and 752 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,500 we actually ended up writing the Mondays brown paper bags, which 753 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:46,400 was the only things I had and I still have those brown paper 754 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,600 bags, the original ones, but there was one symbol, I didn't 755 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:56,000 quite understand. So I looked at it and the next 756 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,300 day I decided I'd go and I'd ask this man, could he tell me what 757 00:47:59,300 --> 00:48:01,700 about this particular symbol he had shot? 758 00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:04,700 You told me, He was staying. So I went and I knocked on the 759 00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:08,600 door and I was to be greeted by the door being opened by a 760 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,800 Buddhist monk and I asked for the man and the Buddhist monks 761 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,100 at all. Are you the young man? 762 00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,700 He was wealthy being very polite. 763 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,500 Are you too young man who was initiated by him on the roof 764 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:25,100 yesterday? And I said, I am I said, is he 765 00:48:25,107 --> 00:48:27,200 here? And we thought he did something 766 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,100 seemingly Buddhists. Don't do I only know this now 767 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:34,000 because I'm being educated since He talks my feet and then 768 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,700 brought into his hands to his Torrid. 769 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:40,400 I which I found a bit actually on Discerning. 770 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,700 I didn't even, I didn't like it actually. 771 00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:46,700 Quite is quite subservient in its own way and he was to inform 772 00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:49,500 me that this gentleman that was there. 773 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:52,900 Had had an interview, a private interview with Sai Baba, seven 774 00:48:52,900 --> 00:48:58,300 years prior to my arrival, and had been told in the interview 775 00:48:58,300 --> 00:49:02,000 that I would arrive, he was to initiate me. 776 00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:07,800 And he wasn't a leave the ashram on till he did that initiation 777 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,100 and he had gone home that very day, that he had did the 778 00:49:12,107 --> 00:49:20,800 initiation on me. God, Strange. 779 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,400 But true strange. But true. 780 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,800 No fiction could match it. It it's Juno as an analyst and I 781 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,700 still am an analyst in, you know, but now I miss, you know, 782 00:49:31,700 --> 00:49:39,100 I'm a psychiatrist. So, as I say, oh yeah, you know, 783 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,600 it's a true that Rusty. Excellent. 784 00:49:42,700 --> 00:49:44,700 Excellent. And it's really about the 785 00:49:44,700 --> 00:49:49,000 understanding that there is something else higher than we 786 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,500 But yet easels it is within and without and it's about finding 787 00:49:54,500 --> 00:50:00,300 that and all analysis will be called irrelevant right because 788 00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,000 the final analysis is Divinity is everywhere. 789 00:50:04,100 --> 00:50:08,200 You know it's no doubt no doubt your analysis has shifted some 790 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:14,000 since this amazing extraordinary meeting with saibaba for these 791 00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:17,300 for the story. Absolutely, has it absolutely 792 00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:21,600 when people call them now they Home and strange things happen. 793 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,900 Like one of the strange things that happen is the vast majority 794 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:27,100 of people who come to have analysis, just pour straight 795 00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:29,800 into tears. Before designing words, 796 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:35,100 exchanged it right into the Heart Center in there. 797 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:38,500 Yeah and then I tell them it's not about words, it's about 798 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:42,100 feeling because it you know a lot of people unfortunately are 799 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:46,200 still very new because of Horton their lives and other such 800 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,400 traumas and oppression and suppression. 801 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,000 Action. So what I do now is I help them 802 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,300 to find a Divinity that is within them. 803 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,400 And I allow them the facility to heal themselves because I'm not 804 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,400 a Healer, you know II, facilitate his daughter, you 805 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,900 know, and I've had a witnessed many, many miracles. 806 00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:11,900 You know, I had a woman one time, came to stop smoking and 807 00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:15,900 when she came to stop smoking, I ended up just hearing myself 808 00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:20,800 saying, you know, as God gave his son To the war on. 809 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,500 Are you ready to return home to your maker? 810 00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:29,200 This light enveloped the rule, she burst into tears. 811 00:51:29,700 --> 00:51:34,500 I burst into tears and her cancer was to disappear that 812 00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:37,400 very day. She went to the doctor. 813 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,000 The doctor wants know where I cancel is gone because she had 814 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,500 only been given four or five weeks to live. 815 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,800 The reason she wanted to give up the cigarettes was because a 816 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,600 grandchild was being born and she was trying to hold in to see 817 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,000 The ground China to hold on Shore. 818 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,000 Yeah. And did the interesting thing is 819 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,900 she actually end up living for about two and a half years after 820 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:58,200 that. And then she passed off. 821 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,500 Very beautiful soul. Great to witness the Miracles of 822 00:52:02,500 --> 00:52:04,500 divinity, in whatever form, of course. 823 00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,400 What do you feel dark? Because there have been many 824 00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,900 people who have had extraordinary meetings with such 825 00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:15,700 a Sai Baba of, you know, relatively similar or 826 00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:18,800 interesting milk. Let's just say over the years 827 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,200 that I've known and we've been interviewing people here on a 828 00:52:21,207 --> 00:52:25,200 better world who have had extraordinary experiences are 829 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,700 women in menopause getting pregnant and they're not 830 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,300 according to a wish they hadn't took the opposite. 831 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,000 Of course, things of that sort. And many of them seem to be from 832 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,900 England. And you know, the British Isles, 833 00:52:37,900 --> 00:52:41,900 by the way, this is a curiosity. Yeah, I'm wondering. 834 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,100 What do you feel? He is positioning you for like, 835 00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:52,900 what do you think of the fingers on The hand you will roll is at 836 00:52:52,900 --> 00:52:56,400 this point in time. Yeah, good question. 837 00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:02,200 First and foremost, I don't know s going to answer, I don't care. 838 00:53:02,900 --> 00:53:05,700 Thirdly I now going with the flow known that. 839 00:53:05,700 --> 00:53:07,300 Everything happens for the highest. 840 00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:09,600 Good of all concerned including me. 841 00:53:10,700 --> 00:53:16,900 I'm getting to witness Divinity in action or I believe that he's 842 00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:21,700 setting me up because of DX Experience that data I've had in 843 00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:25,100 my life quite traumatic experiences that I've had myself 844 00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:28,100 which is why obviously I became a psychotherapist because one 845 00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,800 thing I believe as most people who become healers and 846 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,200 psychotherapist we're very hard individuals in their own life. 847 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,600 That's what makes them very much qualified to do the job that are 848 00:53:37,607 --> 00:53:40,100 doing exactly. And it's not about the book 849 00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:41,900 work, it's about a d coming from the heart. 850 00:53:41,900 --> 00:53:44,600 And can they relate and versatil thyself? 851 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,900 Absolutely, absolutely. So I believe that he's setting 852 00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:55,200 me up To help people to empower themselves and to stop giving 853 00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:01,900 the power to Satya Sai Baba. This is good to hear because one 854 00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:06,500 of the things that we witness, if one goes to any of the 855 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:09,600 ashrams or even the meetings anywhere and the country, and 856 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,400 I've been to many, yeah, there is the sense of the devotional 857 00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,700 aspect where people are actually to me disempowered. 858 00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,000 Absolute and Is God? And so who were they? 859 00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:25,100 Absolutely. So this is a very vital and I 860 00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:27,800 think valuable role. You're playing them to turn that 861 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,500 around. If I hear you correctly. 862 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,200 Yeah. Oh, I think it's very important. 863 00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:35,300 And you know, the interesting thing here is when I witnessed 864 00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:39,500 that, it was quite Discerning to witness that people were doing 865 00:54:39,500 --> 00:54:41,600 this. Because within his teachings, he 866 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,100 says, within his teachings time and time and time again, I've 867 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:48,400 enough power me own daughter, giving me yours, you know? 868 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:57,600 And then he says things like, Like I am God that is you don't 869 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:01,600 know what yet, so, you know. So if people just got that one 870 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,500 piece, it would be an enormous gift. 871 00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:08,800 The world will be a different place but I still would open and 872 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,100 apparel would be delivered. Exactly. 873 00:55:11,300 --> 00:55:16,400 So he actually it's strange in that he has me writing a book at 874 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,600 the moment called knock me off the pedestal. 875 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:26,000 You put me on in, which he has asked me to get him knocked off 876 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,600 the pedestal, because people are looking at the physical form, 877 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,000 and are missing the Divinity that stands behind that form. 878 00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:41,300 And I've been blessed looky, use whatever word you, your mind 879 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:47,800 wants, sure to see this and it has changed my life so much that 880 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,900 all as I can say is, The one statement that he makes that 881 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,100 boys at for me. Yes, one religion, the religion 882 00:55:55,100 --> 00:55:59,900 of love one, nationality, cast the cast of humanity, does one 883 00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:04,500 God? He if she is omnipresent or 884 00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:09,600 names, and forms are theirs. Take back the power people. 885 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,600 Yes, they don't give it to Jesus building it with anyone. 886 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,500 That's right. Or anybody the Divinity is here 887 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,500 as we were saying, yesterday at the United Nations where we were 888 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:26,600 in Denver gave a beautiful talk where God decided to hide him, 889 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,900 her itself was not anywhere to be found outside but indeed in 890 00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:34,800 the human heart. Derek, thank you so much for 891 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,100 being on the show. Thank you. 892 00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,000 Very Very much for inviting me. I'll bless you. 893 00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:40,800 Beautiful, plus you? This is Mitchell. 894 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,800 J Raven for a better world. I hope you were enriched by that 895 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,900 as much as I was and I look forward to seeing you all next 896 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:55,500 week. Exactly exactly. 897 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,100 I just will get a yeah, right. Thanks. 898 00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,000 Just get a shot of us standing up together. 899 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,200 You know, just like a photo fans of this book. 900 00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,400 I don't know. Just you can just do it because 901 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:18,400 it's like a syllabus a beautiful looking at each other like a 902 00:57:18,408 --> 00:57:19,800 Lover's. Exactly. 903 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,300 Hmm. I did it again. 904 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,700 Exactly. The beautiful. 905 00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,000 Thank you. Beautiful, and good. 906 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:29,500 Nice.