Hello, and welcome back to a better world.
This is your host Mitchell, J Raven, and we're very glad
Joining us again today today we're going to have another very
interesting show. We have with us a gentleman who
came here from Ireland, Derek O'Neill, who is a
psychotherapist there and has had some extraordinary
experiences with Satya Sai Baba who he didn't even know of just
some years back, who introduced himself in the most interesting
of ways to Derek. And since then Derek has been
coming to New York and going elsewhere to speak with people.
About the teachings of Sai Baba and what it takes to create
basically a better world. So we're very glad to have
direct with us and help me recounting some of the stories
of his first encounter with Sai Baba and some of what has
preceded from there. And what we can do ourselves to
empower ourselves and to become the greatest human beings
basically that we can. So thank you Derek.
Thank you Mitchell. I'm glad to have If you would,
because it's such an amazing story.
And I think it's, it's Illuminating in itself, is how
you went from your ordinary life as a therapist near Dublin?
And how that then turned into this deep and abiding
relationship with Sai Baba. Okay.
And it all happened. Basically, when myself, my wife
and my daughter went to a Bookshop in place called
Tandoori in Dublin. On a sunny Summers afternoon on
a Sunday and I went in to buy a book on Carl Gustav, Jung and
Freud as regard to psychoanalysis and when I went
into the Bookshop, I was reaching for a book on the top
shelf and from the Shelf two or three below a book, literally
jumped after shelf and hit me on the fourth as I was bending down
to pick up that book. My daughter said Daddy, I bought
you these Unhand me a package of incense sticks and the incense
sticks were sorry. Baba, incense sticks.
Now, I had never heard of Sai Baba or anything in relation to
someone did this happen. This was about what year 1999
are, you know, 98 99. You lose track of the time when
you enter into these dimensions and so that the line.
Yes, and so as I'm reaching down to pick up this book, that's
just Fallen Me daughter hands me.
The incense sticks with Sai Baba on them and when I picked up the
book and turn around the title of the book was Sai Baba, man,
of Miracles, I opened the book. I read a couple of lines from
the book and decided I buy this book.
It still hadn't, even register that stage, that Sai Baba
incense sticks and the book were one of the sales.
One was saying it was just being behind it.
Yeah. So where I went up to pay to
purchase the book and when I went up to the assistant to the
assistant of for me that they didn't sell that book in the in
the shop. So jokingly cars, I turn around
I said, hey, it does that mean I can have it for no payment and
he immediately put an eleven dollar sign on actually.
Yeah. And it's a lovely son was a
master number. Well yeah, it's very important
as goes in the old. Yeah.
When you know about these things, right?
So purchase this book and went home sitting there that evening
Sunday evening and started to read the book.
And as I was reading, Double. I don't get your book on Freud
and Jung know it's, you know, I understand.
You spoke very it. Yeah, and I end up going home,
reading this book there to Sunday evening and basically
doors people shared and stories within this book of Miracles
that have happened to them true. This man who will Satya Sai
Baba. And, you know, people had stood
out of wheelchairs children, whose retinas haven't attached,
were no seeing stuff. That was just beyond Ramon, my
logical mind and the way I would take think, you know, the only
person I had ever heard of my life that did that was Jesus of
Nazareth. So as I read a little bit more
actually, start to realize that these people were saying that
Sai Baba was God on Earth or Jesus return and being that nice
Catholic. Girl printing.
I had this was absolutely that laughs just famous.
I thought it would have just fit in perfectly and no because you
know the way your goal is it the Antichrist and such words are
sort of bandied around So I took the book and I literally just
threw the book there because I wasn't interested in Reading any
more of this rubbish. So that was the reward impressed
with the first of all I want to do read.
It wasn't impressed with it because as a psychoanalytical
Maris and I knew that this was a bit of Bologna in my opinion,
Dan, you know, was to change. Of course, for what happened to,
you know, that's the doors apart.
Yeah. Obviously there was a part then
the next that is Even went to bed, was awoken the next morning
by the phone ring and I had eight or nine people booked in
for Psychotherapy, for that day. And the strangest thing happened
because what happened really was within one hour, they had all
canceled our appointment, it has never happened before and I hope
it never happens again. Okay, so I was left near, we
don't know an appointment, a danite, yeah.
In one act that like that, okay? So I was left.
Basically just a bit of foil work and tidying up to do.
And as I was doing this, this book was shining up at me again.
So for some strange reason I picked up the book, I started to
read the book again and the more I read it, the more closed down
when I was becoming to us that this man was a faker and a
chance or and you know, how dare he feed on people's
vulnerabilities and all this. So next thing is energy just
arrived into me being that I you know, to put into words I could
see I called it unconditional love, but that word even gets
bandied around because, you know, I left, you understand
what it is. And I found myself doing
something very strange and Hilt of my character.
I wrote a letter to Sai Baba, and in the letter, I just put my
name is Derek. If you are, who they say, you
are send me the booty and I will call.
Now, I had read in the book that ability was this sacred Ash
died, while he spins his hands, if you get it, it It's a healing
formally. So I was basically challenging
him. You send me to vibhuti and I
will call. So I put on the envelope Sai,
Baba India, which I know understands like Walton, you
know, Patty O'Brien, Ireland and hope it gets the right Patty
O'Brien of which was 50 taels of living in Ireland and posted the
letter. And they only told two people
that I had done such a silly thing.
One was my wife and the other was a colleague in case I
needed. Signed in at any stage you know
as you do Uncle. So send the way to tree months
went by we are forgotten. You know the book was well and
truly buried and that was it. And then I found myself out of
mind, health and body exhibition.
I think you call them expose over him held Expose and I'm
looking with my colleague who I told about the book and all the
events and I'm standing there, looking at some items on the
table. Abel.
And next thing this man comes up and you just Taps me on the
shoulder and he says, are you Derek O'Neal?
And I said, I am yet. Do I know you and he said, well,
you know what, we could I speak to you for a moment.
So I said to Route, this guy wants to talk.
Come on, this is an Indian man. This was no, we was an Irishman
and Irishman. Well, he looked very Irish and
anyway, it was hard to tell nowadays appeared, I Disappeared
Irish. But he was wearing an orange
shirt. That was quite On which was
interesting hours to turn out. I see.
So he brought the tools of two. Tables set me down.
Yeah, should have known set me down and he looked straight into
my eyes and he said, your name is Derek.
Any were born in 1964. Your parents name is did to do
and do to do. You were this accident happened
on this happened? I went, wow.
Stop, who are you? Go away?
And I was in absolute fear because Was this man knew all
about me, then he reached down into this bag, this little bag
he had, and he took out a teen, and you just put it on the table
and he slid it across and as he was sliding, it except eye
contact with me at all times. And he said, you asked for
vibhuti. No, you must call.
I just felt so much fear and so much Terror.
I was in the letter if you can Ascend of a movie, I why I will
call you and I Is being delivered.
I felt fear, anxiety, panic, attack, you know, all the terms
that go along as a good therapist should, as the shield,
I turn to look at me colleague, who had just turned and walked
into a pillar nearly knocking herself out because she too was
registering the event going on. This was the same colleague.
You had told three months before lutely and she was frozen plasma
a record, a whole thing. So, I just took the tea and said
this, man, I can't talk to you anymore.
I was rattling, I left, you know, to have a cup of coffee,
something to bring me back to sanity to can lie down, and
we're sitting in this little cafe having a cup of coffee.
And the next thing the door of the cafe opens and standing,
there is a woman in an Indian woman with a green sari and at
the time in Ireland we didn't have many Indian people.
Especially not wearing sarees. So she just walked straight
aware table. Again looked at me and said I am
sorry for disturbing you, but haven't I just seen you sitting
with Sai Baba at a mind? Helping Bobby, exhibition, other
girls? It's happened again, I'm Dale
gone, I'm losing control and me limbs.
I mean, total Agony and fear and I just said, I have to go, I
have to go. Um so yeah, so my friend and I
literally just left looky, she was driving because I would be
in a danger. On the roads we try to analyze
what happened but we couldn't because the brain had your shirt
down rotate and we returned Homeward completely all
comprehension all analysis gone in through the window.
So being an honorable man, and I like to think I am, I decided
I'm going. My wife was unavailable to come
with me, but my colleague, who was now, totally intrigued as
much as I was, that I'm going with you.
So, within two weeks, we had the plane tickets bought, we had a
visa to go from the embassy and into India.
We went, when I got to India. The first thing that struck me
was the poverty and the pain, and yet it was a beauty behind.
All this, that was manifest, but unspeakable.
So I actually started to write and lawyers.
So then, you know, when you see it shock to the system zactly
put you real back because you know if not you're going to end
up in a heap and useless to anybody, right?
Okay. And there is a beauty in the
midst of it, all it was somehow. Yes, I'm kind of Joy.
Some beautiful old is coming up to the science through the more
true distilled and along, this is beautiful when it arrives, so
arrived and Staying in a taxi Golem to SAI Baba's ashram.
And when we arrived at the ashram was absolutely Blown
Away, by the amount of white faces, all wearing white clothes
and looking very Angelic. And holy, I have to say, which
is something I did in class myself as being too much and got
out of the taxi to be greeted by side arm side, I'm sorry.
Bob these little kids who, you know, before I could take a
breath, had my bags in the hands of telling me that We should go
today home because they have accommodation and was no
accommodation in the Asher. My Eagle immediately stepped
forward when to hang on, hang on Sai Baba has sent for me so he
has to have accommodation further.
I was to learn a lot of adobe or later.
So what then happens is we were told to go to this
accommodations office. So into the accommodations
office we went and as what entering these two frail old man
are sitting behind desks looking like the only thing that was
holding them up. Was Divinity, you know, because
they He had the angel followed them.
Look, you're a girl, right? And I stepped in and just a
tremendous scream, Screech came from this man, get out, get out.
And I was to learn that I had just stepped in with shoes which
is a custom in that country. You don't step in with jewels.
So I talked to shoes off apologize.
What to his desk and all of a sudden this man who were just
frightened the BGA Nia of me became I'm very sweet and he
said, oh, you're back. I like looked at him with a
judgment of a sure he's old, and he's confused and I said, oh,
you most sorry I said, you must be getting me mixed up with
somebody else because I've never been here before.
And with that, he said, Derek you've been here many times and
many lifetimes Swami has been waiting for you.
I went through hell. Does he know my name?
What's going on here today? And gone went?
You know. God accommodation ended up in
accommodation for be okay when Darren Having a look around the
ashram hair. This tremendous commotion going
on behind me turned to be standing face-to-face with Satya
Sai Baba. I went to stick out my hand
because it's a western way, isn't it?
You know? Hi, I'm Garrett.
You send for me. Who are you next?
I'm going to be true. Yeah, so this tremendous big
hand landed on my chest, nearly knocked me off, my balance from
a, save it out, somebody who serves Sai Baba, Ah, and this
cream went up that he was status.
A Babel was standing on the lady side of the ashram and then
we're gonna load Golder. So you know so you were there
about mistake. Yes.
If you like sort of spell of Innocence so Swami your screen.
And with this full knowing green I felt mortified.
You know if there was a hole I wanted to go straight in for if
you know I'd work because at this stage, I looked around and
I was sort of thousands of oh Is looking in so many astonishment,
so much smiles and some wood absolute Giggles on the face.
So that was my introductory into Satya Sai Baba.
Now there was another piece that I remember your mentioning
direct having to do with a gentleman who was there to train
you shortly after you arrive. Like maybe immediately after we
moved in a form of Reiki. That's right.
Could you just give us that little piece and do ask you a
few other questions? Okay.
What happened is, I was only there about two days and I was
sitting meditating on the roof of the ashram.
And when I came out of meditation, this old man
approached me and he said, I've to make you a karuna Reiki
master. Now, no actually didn't say
that. He what he said was I've to make
you a Reiki master. So I politely informed him that
I had already been attuned to Terror my array key.
Oh, And he said, yes, but I have to make you a karuna Reiki
master. No, I didn't realize it was
different brands, you know? Like, it gets to be commercial
after a while, when the so many different names for the same
energy variations on the theme. Yeah.
So we agreed, that we would meet the next day on the roof after
dashing, and he would do this initiation, huh?
Great. I came down after roof.
Went to my colleague, who was on the same trip as me.
Tom Told her about what happened on the roof.
She went Corona Reiki. Brilliant, it's very powerful.
She knew something about it. I knew nothing about us.
She got very excited. I was still in that sort of.
Okay, that's great next morning. After dashing went off set,
their heat demand arrived and he said, was I ready for the
initiation? I said I was and he started
initiation now to be absolutely truthful, which is very
important. To be truthful.
The rest of what I'm about to tell you actually comes from my
colleague. Not me.
Uh-huh. And that's because I was to
enter into some state of conscious trance and what she
was doing for me, was that all reduced the roof that I was
sitting on out of the bluest of blue skies?
This clairwood arrived, it started to drizzle rain and a
rainbow went, just over the roof that I were sitting on and a
breeze was to blow items. Just Just on debris on and she
was looking up at the roof at this event happening to be
truthful. I had no recall of this event,
so that's what happened. After the initiation I was in
some state of bliss and he went on to show me some symbols that
he had used during the initiation and we actually ended
up writing the Mondays brown paper bags, which was the only
things I had and I still have those brown paper bags.
The original one, And put I was born symbol.
I didn't quite understand. So I looked at it and the next
day I decided I'd go and I'd ask this man, could he tell me what
about this particular symbol? He had shot?
He told me where he was staying, so I went and I knocked on the
door and I was to be greeted by the door being opened by a
Buddhist monk. And I asked for the man and the
Buddhist monk said, oh, are you the young man?
He was obviously being very polite.
Right. Are you too young man who was
initiated by him on the roof yesterday?
And I said, I am I said, is he here?
And with that, he did something seemingly Buddhists.
Don't do I only know this now because I'm being educated since
he touched my feet and then brought him to his hands to his
Torrid I which I found a bit actually on Discerning.
I didn't even I didn't like it actually caused quite
subservient in its own way and he was to inform me that this
Gentlemen, and that was their hug.
Had an interview, a private interview with Sai Baba, seven
years prior to my arrival, and had been told in the interview
that I would arrive, he was to initiate me and he wasn't a,
leave the ashram on till he did that initiation, and he had gone
home that very day, that he had did the initiation on me.
God, Strange. But true strange.
But true. No fiction could match it.
It it's to know as an analyst and I still am an analyst in,
you know, but no, I miss, you know, I'm a psychiatrist, you
know. So, as I say, oh yeah, you know,
it's a true that Rusty. Excellent.
And it's really about the
understanding that there is something else higher than we
But yet easels it is within and without and it's about finding
that and all analysis will be called irrelevant right because
the final analysis is Divinity is everywhere.
You know it's no doubt no doubt your analysis has shifted some
since this amazing extraordinary meeting, with Sai Baba, for
these for the story. Absolutely has a absolutely when
people call them. Now they call Home and strange
things happen. Like one of the strange things
that happen is the vast majority of people who come to have
analysis just bore straight into tears.
Before there's any words, exchanged stick it right into
the Heart Center there in there. Yeah and then I tell them it's
not about words it's about feeling because it you know a
lot of people unfortunately are still very new home because of
Horton their lives and other such traumas and oppression and
suppression. We Action.
So what I do now is I help them to find a Divinity that is
within them. And I allow them the facility to
heal themselves because I'm not a Healer, you know, II
physically hate his daughter, you know?
And I've had I witnessed many, many miracles, you know, I had a
woman one time, came to stop smoking and when she came to
stop smoking, I ended up just hearing myself saying, you know
as God gave his soul To the world.
Are you ready to return home to your maker?
This light enveloped the rule, she burst into tears.
And I burst into tears and a cancer was to disappear that
very day. She went to the doctor to
doctors won't know where I cancel is gone because she had
only been given four or five weeks to live.
The reason she wanted to give up to cigarettes was because a
grandchild was being born and she was trying to hold in to see
The ground China to hold on Shore.
Yeah, yeah. Did the interesting thing is she
actually end up living for about two and a half years after that
and then she passed off. Very beautiful soul.
Just great to witness the Miracles of divinity, in
whatever form, of course. What do you feel dark?
Because there have been many people who have had
extraordinary meetings with such a Sai Baba of, you know,
relatively similar or interesting ilk.
Let's just say over the years that I've known and we've been
interviewing people here on a better world who have had
extraordinary experiences are women in menopause getting
pregnant and in, okay? According to a wish they hadn't
if opposite of course, okay? Things of that sort.
And many of them seem to be from England and you know, the
British Isles, by the way, this is a curiosity.
Yeah, I'm wondering. What do you feel?
He is positioning you for like, what do you think of the fingers
on The hand you will roll is at this point in time.
Yeah, good question. First and foremost, I don't
know. S.
Good answer, I don't care. Thirdly, I now going with the
flow known that. Everything happens for the
highest. Good of all concerned including
me. I'm getting to witness Divinity
in action or I believe that he's setting me up because of the
Experience that data I've had in my life quite traumatic
experiences that I've had myself, which is why obviously I
became a psychotherapist. Because one thing I believe as
most people who become healers and psychotherapist, we're very
hot individuals in their own life.
That's what makes them very much qualified to do the job that are
doing exactly. And it's not about the book work
it's about a d coming from the heart and Canandaigua relate and
first heal thyself. Absolutely.
So I believe that he's setting
me York To help people to empower themselves and to stop
giving up hello to Satya Sai Baba.
This is good to hear. Because as one of the things
that we witness, if one goes to any of the ashrams or even the
meetings anywhere and the country, and I've been to many,
yeah, there is the sense of the devotional aspect where people
are actually to me disempowered. Absolute and Is God?
And so who were they? Absolutely.
So this is a very vital and I think valuable role.
You're playing them to turn that around.
If I hear you correctly. Yeah.
Oh, I think it's very important. And you know, the interesting
thing here is when I witnessed that, it was quite Discerning to
witness that people were doing this.
Because within his teachings, he says, within his teachings time
and time and time again, I've enough power me own daughter.
Gave me yours, you know? And then he says things like
Like I am God, that's over. So, are you friends is you don't
know what yet? So, you know.
So if people just got that one piece, it would be an enormous
gift. The world will be a different
place, but I still would open and apparel would be delivered.
Exactly. So he actually it's strange in
that he has me writing a book at the moment called knock me off
the pedestal. You put me on in, which he has
asked me to get him knocked off the pedestal, because people are
looking at the physical form, and are missing the Divinity
that stands behind that form. And I've been blessed looky, use
whatever word you, your mind wants, sure to see this and it
has changed my life so much that all as I can say is, The one
statement that he makes that boys at for me.
Yes, one religion, the religion of love one, nationality, cast
the cast of humanity, does one God?
He if she is on the present or names and forms are theirs.
Take back the power people yesterday.
Don't give it to Jesus Billy. Anyone that's right or saibaba,
anybody, the Divinity is here, as we were saying, yesterday at
the United Nations where we were in Denver, gave a beautiful
talk, Where God decided to hide him.
Her itself was not anywhere to be found outside but indeed in
the human heart. Derek, thank you so much for
being on the show. Thank you very much for inviting
me. God bless you, beautiful plus
you. This is Mitchell.
J Raven for better world. I hope you were enriched by that
as much as I was and I look forward to seeing you all next
week. Hello and welcome back to a
better world. This is your host Mitchell, J
Raven and we're very glad you're joining us again today.
Today we're going to have another very interesting show.
We have with us a gentleman who came here from Ireland, Derek
O'Neill, who is a psychotherapist there and has
had some extraordinary experiences with Satya Sai Baba
who he didn't even know of just some years back, who introduced
himself in the most interesting of ways to Derek.
And since then, direct has been coming to New York and going
elsewhere to speak with people about the teachings of Sai Baba.
And what it takes to create basically a better world.
So, we're very glad to have direct with us and he'll be
recounting some of the stories of his first encounter with Sai
Baba. And some of what has preceded
from there. And what we can do ourselves to
empower ourselves and to become the greatest human beings.
Basically that we can. So thank you Derek.
Thank you Mitchell. I'm glad to have you here if you
would, because it's such an amazing story.
And I think it's, it's Illuminating in itself, is how
you went from your ordinary life as a therapist near Dublin?
And how that then turned into this deep and abiding
relationship with Sai Baba. Okay.
And it all happened. Basically, when myself my wife,
And my daughter went to a Bookshop in place called Tim
Leary in Dublin. On a sunny Summers afternoon on
a Sunday and I went in to buy a book on Carl Gustav, Jung and
Freud as regard to psychoanalysis and when I went
into the Bookshop, I was reaching for a book on the top
shelf. And from the Shelf two or three
below a book, literally jumped after shelf and hit me on the
fourth. As I was bending down to pick up
that book my daughter said, Daddy, I've bought you D is and
hand. Me a package of incense sticks
and the incense sticks. We're sorry Baba incense sticks.
Now, I had never heard of Sai Baba or anything in relation to
son, did this happen. This was about what year 1999
are you know, 98 99. You lose track of the time when
you enter into these dimensions and so that the yes, And so, as
I'm reaching down to pick up this book, that's just Fallen me
daughter. Hands me.
The incense sticks with Sai Baba on them and when I picked up the
book and turn around the title of the book was Sai Baba, man,
of Miracles, I opened the book. I read a couple of lines from
the book and decided I buy this book.
It still hadn't, even register that stage that Sai Baba,
incense sticks and the book were one of the same was one was
saying it was just being behind it.
Yeah. So I went up to pay to purchase
the book and when I went up to the assistant to the assistant,
informed me that they didn't sell that book in the in the
shop. So jokingly cars I turn around I
said hey it does that mean I can have it for no payment and he
immediately put an eleven dollar sign on a child and it's a
lovely son was a master number. Yeah, it was in the old.
Yeah. When you know about these
things, right? So purchase this book and went
home sitting there that evening Sunday evening and started to
read the book. And as I was reading the book, I
found get your book on Freud and Jung know today.
I love casebooks very it. Yeah, and I end up going home.
Reading this book there to Sunday evening and basically
doors people shared install. Or he's within this book of
Miracles that have happened to them true.
This man who will Satya Sai Baba.
And, you know, people had stood out of wheelchairs children,
whose retinas haven't attached were nail seeing stuff.
That was just beyond Ramon, my logical mind and the way I would
think, you know, the only person I had ever heard of my life that
did, that was Jesus of Nazareth. So as I read a little bit more,
actually, start to realize that these people were saying that
Sai Baba was God on Earth. Heart Jesus returned and being
that nice Catholic or printing. I had this was absolutely that
laughs just FEMA side. It would have just fit in
perfectly and no because you know the way your goal is it the
Antichrist and such words are sort of bandied around.
Yeah so I took the book and I literally just true the book
there because I wasn't interested in Reading any more
of this rubbish. So that was worn impressed.
With the first of all I want you to read it was impressed with it
because as a Go and analytical person.
I knew that this was available only in my opinion Dan you know
was to change. Of course for what happened to,
you know, that's the doors apart.
Yeah. Obviously there was a part, then
the next that even went to bed, was awoken the next morning by
the phone ring and I had eight or nine people booked in for
Psychotherapy, for that day. And the strangest thing happened
because what happened really was We didn't want it, they had all
canceled our appointment, it has never happened before and I hope
it never happens again. Okay, so I was left near, we
don't own appointments anything like yes in one like that like
that. Okay, so I was left with
basically just a bit of foil, workin tidying up to do and as I
was doing this, this book was shining up at me again.
So, for some strange reason I picked up the book, I started to
read the book again, and the more I read, Is the more closed
down when I was becoming to us that this man was a faker and a
chance around, you know, how dare he feed on people's
vulnerabilities and Arliss. So next thing is energy just
arrived into me being that I, you know, to put into words, I
could I call it unconditional love, but that word even gets
bandied around because you know, unless you understand what it
is. And I found myself doing
something very strange and out, of my character, I wrote a
letter to Sai Baba, and in the letter, I just put my name is
Derek. If you are, who they say, you
are send me the booty and I will call.
Now, I had read in the book that ability was this sacred Ash dad
while he spins his hands, if you get it, it's a healing formally.
So, I was basically challenging him, you send me to vibhuti and
I will call So I put on the envelope sorry Baba India, which
I Now understand is like portent, you know, Patty
O'Brien, Ireland and hope it gets to the right party O'Brien
of which was 50 tails and living in Ireland and posted the
letter. And they only told two people
that I had done such a silly thing.
One was my wife and the other was a colleague in case I needed
to be signed in, at any stage, you know, as you do Uncle, so
send it away. Two to three months went by, we
had all forgotten. You know the book was well and
truly buried and that was there. And then I found myself out of
mind, health and body exhibition.
I think you call them expose over him held Expose and I'm
looking with my colleague who I told about the book and all the
events and I'm standing there looking at some items on AR the
table. And next thing, this man comes
up and you just Taps me on the shoulder and he says, are you
Derek O'Neill? And I said, I am yet, do I know
you and he said, well, you know what, if we could, I speak to
you for a moment. So I said to Route, this guy
wants to talk. Come on, this is an Indian man.
This was no, we was an Irishman and Irishman.
Well, he looked very Irish and anyway, it was hard to tell
nowadays appeared, I Disappeared Irish.
But he was wearing an orange shirt.
That was quite long, which was interesting hours to turn out.
So he brought the tools of two tables.
Me down. Yeah, should have known set me
down and he looked straight into my eyes and he said, your name
is Derek and I were born in 1964.
Your parents name is due to do and do to do.
You were this accident happened on this happened?
I went. Wow, stop.
Did you shoot the who are you? Go away.
And I was in absolute fear because this man knew all about
me, then he reached down into this bag.
Bag. This little bag he had and he
took out a teen and you just put it on the table and he slid it
across and as he was sliding, it except eye contact with me at
all times and he said, you asked for her beauty.
No, you must call. I just felt so much fear and so
much Terror. I was in the letter.
If you said it's endemol Duty, I wish I was home and here it is.
Being delivered. I felt fear anxiety, panic,
attack, you know, all the terms that go along, there's a good
therapist should as they should. I turn to look at me colleague,
who had just turned and walked into a pillar nearly knocking
herself out, because she too was registering.
During the event going on. This was the same colleague.
You had told three months before lutely and she was present as
present, a report, a whole team. So, I just took the tea and said
this, man, I can't talk to you anymore.
I was Rockland, I left, you know, to have a cup of coffee,
something to bring me back to sanity to can lie down, and
we're sitting in this little cafe, having a cup of coffee.
And the next thing, the door of the cafe opens I'm standing.
There is a woman in Indian woman with a green sari.
And at the time in Ireland, we didn't have many Indian people,
and especially not wearing sarees.
So she just walked straight aware table.
Again looked at me and said, I am sorry for disturbing you.
But haven't I just seen you sitting with Sai Baba at a mind?
Helping Bobby Hicks, the bishop other girls.
It's happened again. I'm losing control of my limbs.
I mean total Agony and fear and I just said, I have to go, I
have to go home. So get me out of here.
So my friend and I literally just left lookee.
She was driving because I would be in a danger.
On the roads, we try to analyze what has happened.
But we couldn't because the brain had your shirt down,
rotate. And we returned Homeward
coverage Beyond Comprehension all.
Has gone in through the window. So being an honorable man and I
like to think I am, I decided I'm going, my wife was out of
able to come with me, but my colleague who was now, totally
intrigued as much as I was that I'm going with you.
So, within two weeks, we had the plane tickets bought, we had a
visa to go from the embassy and into India.
We went, when I got to India. The first thing that struck me
was the path. And the pain and yet it was a
beauty behind all this that was manifest but unspeakable so I
actually started to write and lawyers I've been you being
there. So then you know when you see it
shock to the system zactly put you real back because you know
if not you're going to end up in a heap and useless to anybody,
right? Okay.
And there is a beauty in the midst of it, all it was somehow.
Yes, I'm kind of Joy. Some Beautiful, odors coming off
to the science through the Mohawk.
True distilled. And along to this beautiful,
when it arrives, so arrived. And next thing in a taxi Golem
to SAI Baba's ashram, and when we arrived to the, ashram was
absolutely Blown Away, by the amount of white faces, all
wearing white clothes and looking very Angelic.
And holy, I have to say, which is something I did in class
myself being too much and got out of the taxi.
Can be greeted by Sidearm sidearms, I got these little
kids who, you know, before I could take a breath, had my bags
in the hands of telling me that we should go to their home
because they have accommodation and was no accommodation in the
Asha. My Eagle immediately stepped
forward, and went hang on, hang on, Sai Baba has sent for me so
he has to have accommodation further.
I was to learn a lot of adobe or later.
So what then happens is we were told to go to this
accommodations office. So into the accommodations
office we went and as what entering these two frail old men
are sitting behind desks looking like the only thing that was
holding them up. Was Divinity, you know, because
they really had the angel Look, you have to go, right?
And I stepped in and just tremendous scream.
Screech came from this man, get out.
Get out. And I was to learn that I had
just stepped in with shoes which is a custom in that country.
You don't step in with jewels. So I talked to shoes off
apologize. What to his desk and all of a
sudden this man who were just frightened the BGA, Nia of me
became very sweet. And he said, oh, you're back.
I like looked at him with a judgment of a sure he's old, and
he's confused and I said, oh, you most sorry I said, you must
be getting me mixed up with somebody else because I've never
been here before, and with that, he said, Derek you've been here
many times and many lifetimes Swami has been waiting for you.
I went through hell. Does he know my name?
What's going on? Here and gone went you know God
accommodation ended up in accommodation for be okay.
Went down was having a look around the ashram hair.
This tremendous commotion going on behind me turned to be
standing face-to-face with Satya Sai Baba.
I went to stick out my hand because it's a western way,
isn't it? You know how Hi.
I'm Gary, you send for me. Who are you next, we're going to
be true. Yeah, so this tremendous big
hand landed on my chest, nearly knocked me off, my balance from
it, save it out. Somebody who serves Sai Baba.
And this cream went up that he was status.
So that was standing on the lady side of the ashram.
And then we're gonna load gold there.
So you know, so you were there by mistake.
Yes. If you lie, so to speak of
Innocence So Swami just green and with this full knowing
green, I felt mortified. You know, if there was a hole I
want to go straight in for all your hard work.
Because at this stage, I looked around and I was sort of
thousands of eyes looking in some in astonishment, so much
smiles and some wood absolute Giggles on the face.
So that was my introductory into Satya Sai Baba.
Now there was another piece that I remember.
You're mentioning Direct Having to do with a gentleman, who was
there to train you shortly. After you arrive.
Like, maybe immediately after we moved in a form of Reiki, that's
right. Could you just give us that
little piece and do ask you a few other question?
Okay, what happened is? I was only there about two days
and I was sitting meditating on the roof of the ashram.
And when I came out of meditation, this old man
approached me and he said, I've to make you a karuna Reiki.
Now no I actually didn't say that he what he said was I have
to make you a Reiki master. So I politely informed him that
I had already been attuned to Tara my array key.
Oh and he said, yes, but I have to make you a karuna Reiki
master. Now, I didn't realize it was
different brands, you know, like it get to be commercial after a
while. When the so many different Road
names for the same energy variations on the yeah.
So, we agreed that we would meet the next day on the roof after
dashing, and he would do this initiation.
Great, I came down after roof. Went to my colleague, who was on
the same trip as me. Told her about what happened on
the roof. She went coronavirus Reiki.
Brilliant, it's very powerful. She knew something about it.
I knew nothing about it. She got very excited.
I was still in that sort of, okay, that's great.
Next After dashing, when to set their heat demand arrived and he
said, well, I ready for the initiation, I said I was and he
started initiation now to be absolutely truthful, which is
very important to be truthful. The rest of what I'm about to
tell you actually comes from my colleague.
Not me. And that's because I was to
enter into some state of conscious trance and what she
was doing for me, was that over juice to roof too?
And I were sitting on out of the bluest of blue skies, this
Claire derived, it started to drizzle rain and a rainbow went
just over the roof that I was sitting on an debris is was to
blow items just on debris on and she was looking up at the roof
at this event happening to be truthful.
I had no recall of this event so that's what happened.
After the initiation II was in some A bliss and he went on to
show me some symbols that he had used during the initiation and
we actually ended up writing the Mondays brown paper bags, which
was the only things I had and I still have those brown paper
bags, the original ones, but there was one symbol, I didn't
quite understand. So I looked at it and the next
day I decided I'd go and I'd ask this man, could he tell me what
about this particular symbol he had shot?
You told me, He was staying. So I went and I knocked on the
door and I was to be greeted by the door being opened by a
Buddhist monk and I asked for the man and the Buddhist monks
at all. Are you the young man?
He was wealthy being very polite.
Are you too young man who was initiated by him on the roof
yesterday? And I said, I am I said, is he
here? And we thought he did something
seemingly Buddhists. Don't do I only know this now
because I'm being educated since He talks my feet and then
brought into his hands to his Torrid.
I which I found a bit actually on Discerning.
I didn't even, I didn't like it actually.
Quite is quite subservient in its own way and he was to inform
me that this gentleman that was there.
Had had an interview, a private interview with Sai Baba, seven
years prior to my arrival, and had been told in the interview
that I would arrive, he was to initiate me.
And he wasn't a leave the ashram on till he did that initiation
and he had gone home that very day, that he had did the
initiation on me. God, Strange.
But true strange. But true.
No fiction could match it. It it's Juno as an analyst and I
still am an analyst in, you know, but now I miss, you know,
I'm a psychiatrist. So, as I say, oh yeah, you know,
it's a true that Rusty. Excellent.
And it's really about the
understanding that there is something else higher than we
But yet easels it is within and without and it's about finding
that and all analysis will be called irrelevant right because
the final analysis is Divinity is everywhere.
You know it's no doubt no doubt your analysis has shifted some
since this amazing extraordinary meeting with saibaba for these
for the story. Absolutely, has it absolutely
when people call them now they Home and strange things happen.
Like one of the strange things that happen is the vast majority
of people who come to have analysis, just pour straight
into tears. Before designing words,
exchanged it right into the Heart Center in there.
Yeah and then I tell them it's not about words, it's about
feeling because it you know a lot of people unfortunately are
still very new because of Horton their lives and other such
traumas and oppression and suppression.
Action. So what I do now is I help them
to find a Divinity that is within them.
And I allow them the facility to heal themselves because I'm not
a Healer, you know II, facilitate his daughter, you
know, and I've had a witnessed many, many miracles.
You know, I had a woman one time, came to stop smoking and
when she came to stop smoking, I ended up just hearing myself
saying, you know, as God gave his son To the war on.
Are you ready to return home to your maker?
This light enveloped the rule, she burst into tears.
I burst into tears and her cancer was to disappear that
very day. She went to the doctor.
The doctor wants know where I cancel is gone because she had
only been given four or five weeks to live.
The reason she wanted to give up the cigarettes was because a
grandchild was being born and she was trying to hold in to see
The ground China to hold on Shore.
Yeah. And did the interesting thing is
she actually end up living for about two and a half years after
that. And then she passed off.
Very beautiful soul. Great to witness the Miracles of
divinity, in whatever form, of course.
What do you feel dark? Because there have been many
people who have had extraordinary meetings with such
a Sai Baba of, you know, relatively similar or
interesting milk. Let's just say over the years
that I've known and we've been interviewing people here on a
better world who have had extraordinary experiences are
women in menopause getting pregnant and they're not
according to a wish they hadn't took the opposite.
Of course, things of that sort. And many of them seem to be from
England. And you know, the British Isles,
by the way, this is a curiosity. Yeah, I'm wondering.
What do you feel? He is positioning you for like,
what do you think of the fingers on The hand you will roll is at
this point in time. Yeah, good question.
First and foremost, I don't know s going to answer, I don't care.
Thirdly I now going with the flow known that.
Everything happens for the highest.
Good of all concerned including me.
I'm getting to witness Divinity in action or I believe that he's
setting me up because of DX Experience that data I've had in
my life quite traumatic experiences that I've had myself
which is why obviously I became a psychotherapist because one
thing I believe as most people who become healers and
psychotherapist we're very hard individuals in their own life.
That's what makes them very much qualified to do the job that are
doing exactly. And it's not about the book
work, it's about a d coming from the heart.
And can they relate and versatil thyself?
Absolutely, absolutely. So I believe that he's setting
me up To help people to empower themselves and to stop giving
the power to Satya Sai Baba. This is good to hear because one
of the things that we witness, if one goes to any of the
ashrams or even the meetings anywhere and the country, and
I've been to many, yeah, there is the sense of the devotional
aspect where people are actually to me disempowered.
Absolute and Is God? And so who were they?
Absolutely. So this is a very vital and I
think valuable role. You're playing them to turn that
around. If I hear you correctly.
Yeah. Oh, I think it's very important.
And you know, the interesting thing here is when I witnessed
that, it was quite Discerning to witness that people were doing
this. Because within his teachings, he
says, within his teachings time and time and time again, I've
enough power me own daughter, giving me yours, you know?
And then he says things like, Like I am God that is you don't
know what yet, so, you know. So if people just got that one
piece, it would be an enormous gift.
The world will be a different place but I still would open and
apparel would be delivered. Exactly.
So he actually it's strange in that he has me writing a book at
the moment called knock me off the pedestal.
You put me on in, which he has asked me to get him knocked off
the pedestal, because people are looking at the physical form,
and are missing the Divinity that stands behind that form.
And I've been blessed looky, use whatever word you, your mind
wants, sure to see this and it has changed my life so much that
all as I can say is, The one statement that he makes that
boys at for me. Yes, one religion, the religion
of love one, nationality, cast the cast of humanity, does one
God? He if she is omnipresent or
names, and forms are theirs. Take back the power people.
Yes, they don't give it to Jesus building it with anyone.
That's right. Or anybody the Divinity is here
as we were saying, yesterday at the United Nations where we were
in Denver gave a beautiful talk where God decided to hide him,
her itself was not anywhere to be found outside but indeed in
the human heart. Derek, thank you so much for
being on the show. Thank you.
Very Very much for inviting me. I'll bless you.
Beautiful, plus you? This is Mitchell.
J Raven for a better world. I hope you were enriched by that
as much as I was and I look forward to seeing you all next
week. Exactly exactly.
I just will get a yeah, right. Thanks.
Just get a shot of us standing up together.
You know, just like a photo fans of this book.
I don't know. Just you can just do it because
it's like a syllabus a beautiful looking at each other like a
Lover's. Exactly.
Hmm. I did it again.
Exactly. The beautiful.
Thank you. Beautiful, and good.
Nice.